Eagles Wake-Up Call: A Splash In Free Agency?

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Following their playoff loss to the Packers three years ago, the decision-makers in the Eagles’ organization felt they were close – close to getting back to the Super Bowl.

Andy Reid, Joe Banner and Howie Roseman decided to take advantage of the market and brought in what they believed to be missing pieces in an effort to gear up for a championship run.


We all know the results: 12 wins in two seasons without a postseason appearance.

Many of the names making the calls (other than Roseman) are now different, but the lessons are fresh in the minds of those within the organization. This offseason, the Eagles are once again coming off an NFC East title and a playoff appearance. But all indications suggest the path of action to get to the next level will be different this time around.

Asked if he's going to stay away from big-name free agents, Roseman said: "I think that it’s going to be dependent on the player. You don’t want to make any exclusions, but I think what worked last year was the ability, just like in the draft when you have more picks in the draft, is that the more chances you have to hit on guys, the better your percentages become.

"...If you only sign two guys in free agency and you put a lot of resources in them, and for one reason or another a guy doesn’t work out, you’re hamstrung. But if you go after a bunch of guys that you think may fit and a couple don’t work out as much as you want every one of them to work out, you feel like, you know what, as long as I have a good batting average on these guys, I’m improving the quality of our football team. And that helps. And you can use your money in different places. And then you’re also not in a position where if a couple of guys don’t work out, you’re hamstrung in future years and you can’t go back into the markets."

The last sentence is important. The Eagles feel like they have a good core in place. They'll have to make decisions on Jeremy Maclin and Riley Cooper this offseason. But after next year, members of the 2012 draft class will all be eligible to renegotiate their deals and sign long-term contracts.

That includes guys like Nick Foles, Fletcher Cox, Mychal Kendricks and Brandon Boykin.

"The other part of it is where are we gonna be next year on the cap?" Roseman said. "Can we keep this team together? Every player we sign, if you sign a player for X amount of dollars, you also have to put that player into next year’s cap and anticipate that. And as we look at it, these drafts come around really quickly. So all of a sudden you get there and you go, ‘Wow this guy’s gonna be after his third year next year. We want to keep him here. We’ve gotta make sure we have money to keep him.' So we’re trying to build a team, and we’re trying to build a team that can compete for a long time. And that means year to year, we’ve gotta keep our core and then try to add on to it."

All of this doesn't mean the Eagles are going to sit free agency out. They have money to spend and are in clear need of upgrades in specific areas. But they also seem smart enough to know "close enough" can sometimes be deceiving. It's still building mode, and financial flexibility is key.

If opportunities arise to add key pieces for the right price, the Eagles will explore them. But clearly, they're going to be cautious in committing big dollars that could limit them down the road.

WHAT YOU MISSED

Our offseason outlook series takes a look at the Eagles' RB situation.

Jeffrey Lurie on the passing of former Eagles president Harry Gamble.

Three Eagles numbers that matter: On Foles' INT rate, DeMeco Ryans' playing time and an under-the-radar safety name to know.

T-Mac takes a look at how Zach Ertz's rookie season stacked up.

WHAT THEY'RE SAYING

Jimmy Kempski of Philly.com caught up with Broncos backup tackle Winston Justice:

However, Justice and Mudd didn't get along. "Our personalities really clashed. During the time (we were together in Philly), we hated each other, but he really helped me out a lot. He made me a better player even though we didn't get along."

Justice said Todd Herremans called him to congratulate him for making the Super Bowl.

Brian Dawkins left an imprint on some of the current Broncos players, writes the Inquirer's Jeff McLane:

Even Champ Bailey. A future Hall of Famer in his own right, Bailey said Dawkins had an impact on his career even though he had already played 10 seasons before the intense safety arrived in 2009.

"Brian Dawkins - one thing about him: He worked hard every day," Bailey said. "I already knew how to practice hard, but when I see a guy older than me and he's practicing harder than me, it elevated my game a little bit more. . . . I didn't want him to outwork me. And he did it every day."

COMING UP

We'll take a look at the Eagles' offseason outlook at wide receiver.

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  • cheapmeat

    God, I love Brian Dawkins. Huge man crash.

    • anon

      Why does he seem like more of a bronco than an eagle?

      • cheapmeat

        In my professional opinion, I’d say it’s a problem with your long term memory.

      • MoreRecentTimes

        Because you just started watching football in 2010 is my guess.

      • anon

        I meant in terms of press / media that gets done. Maybe bc Broncos are more popular nationally.

      • Scott J

        Do you live in Denver?

    • BigWhoopWannaFightAboutIt

      I’m a grown man and I think I would cry if I ever met him.

      • Corey Dawson

        He’s the player that made me love the sport growing up. I’m 28 now, so Dawkins was the leader of that defense from the time I was 11 to the time I was 23. His jersey was the first I ever owned and I refused to wear another until he retired. He epitomizes everything it is to be a football player. The heart, the grit, the work ethic, and everything it takes to be an incredible role model to kids, which too many good/great players don’t have these days. Going to Eagles games now you still see people wearing the number 20 in every section. I’m building my fan cave beginning this spring and that jersey I wore all those years is getting retired, framed, and will be the first thing that goes on the wall. If I could meet any celebrity today, it would be him, so I could thank him for being a great player and being everything I love about football.

  • Will

    If opportunities arise to add key pieces for the right price, the Eagles will explore them. But clearly, they’re going to be cautious in committing big dollars that could limit them down the road.

    That doesn’t sound like Byrd/Ward money for a Safety….

    • GEAGLE

      Cause GMs are honest this time of year..because it’s in his best interest to announce: Lurie just gave me a blank check, wrote safety on the bottom and told me to desperately hunt down the best money can buy

      Funny, yesterday the skins announced they would be players in FA…shocker lol would love to be an agent, I’d play Snyder against Jerry and get my client a historic mega deal all while I don’t even return dirty joe banners calls

      • cliff henny

        yup, now every agent has green light to either run up ‘skins offer or waste their time running up someone elses. Great way to negotiate is to act like you are doing the other a favor. having Snyder in negotiating room waving pompoms saying ‘man, i want you in Wash’ has agents adding zero’s to contracts.
        .
        not going to JJ. any FA contract offer isnt worth paper it’s written on. still trying to figure out how they’ll sign draft picks.

        • NickS1

          That article you shared said they’ll June 1st Austin to get the roughly 6mil needed.

          • cliff henny

            but they have to get under cap before then. was on overthecap, was doing the moves he suggested (they have them 20m over so had to get to 10m under, cause real number today is 30m over) and was extending and cutting everyone. even then, not sure what they do, cant cut 10 guys, have to replace them, need to pay 53. i couldnt get there without including Ware. trainwreck.

          • NickS1

            Yeah, but rookies don’t sign ’til summer, so the CBA basically buys teams time to figure out deals and make the needed moves to sign rookies, i.e. June 1st Austin.

          • cliff henny

            yup. what i tried to do is get them 10m under(math above), which would have them right at cap, with austin, so his cut could sign picks. it was freaking hard. i was extending and cutting everyone. alot less moving parts if ware is extended or cut. cutting Orton, so if Romo isnt right, that opens whole new can.

          • NickS1

            Remember those books where you’d read a page and if you wanted to do “x” you skip to this page and if you wanted to do “y” you’d go to a different page? That’s what I feel like we’re discussing when discussing the train wreck that is the Dallas cap.

          • cliff henny

            best part is, you know JJ cant leave free agents alone. he’ll take a stab at someone. hope he does, extends Ware, Carr,Witten, Austin and Free…by ’16 the dead money on those contracts be like 40m.

          • GEAGLE

            I love this division lol….NY needs like 3 Olinemen and a few Rbs just to field a team next year

          • cliff henny

            is Eli still throwing INTs at world record pace?

          • GEAGLE

            He is if they don’t SERIOUSLY makeover his line..

            I Think they fell into the same trap we did, keeping Reid two years to long. They think they can still make it work with their core, and just remake the supporting cast, but I have a feeling ITS OVER and they won’t ever really matter again, til they blow it all up and start over, which is tough for them to do with a coach and QB who have two SBs in the bank! and the coach being the last major finger print of their beloved deceased owner

      • theycallmerob

        hadn’t seen that info on the lolskinz.
        man, almost half the fun of being an Eagles fan is Jerrah and Snyder. And with Chip in the fold, the contrast between “smart” and “them” is even greater.

        • Brian

          By the way, your boy is in the Wingbowl on Friday. Don Smolenski is going to drive him into the arena in a golf cart. Good stuff.

          • theycallmerob

            thanks; wish I could stream it somehow!
            They should have let him borrow Peters’ old Roll-A-Bout

          • Brian
          • Brian

            You can, at least, listen online.

          • GEAGLE

            I’ll try to get close enough to take a nice video of Kelce in action for you….Kelce actually let the cat out of the bag today announcing that president Don Smolenski ill il be driving him on an Eagles golf cart at his wing bowl introduction

            So hype for wing bowl..

        • GEAGLE

          Lol it was a big announcement on ESPN..and the analyst were all laughing at how Snyder must have lost his mind these past two years not being able to spend in FA because of the league penalties for that “uncapped year” nonsense…how dumb do you have to be to let every agent know you are itching to spend money especially when you already have a reputation of an overspending idiot? I love this division

  • cliff henny

    Let’s be honest, this is about 4 guys, Ward and Byrd vs. NNo-D and DCR, or at least for me. here’s the main difference between either and ’10 splurge (DCR wasnt but always gets tossed in)- ‘But if you go after a bunch of guys that you think may fit’…i follow football probably too much, and i had no clue what they were getting. knew NNo-D was intelligent thoughtful guy, not typical badass brash football player, which is fine, but for 15m/yr, guy was stealing money. maybe team had warning signs we never heard, but nothing has ever come out prior to signing. eating in car was all afterwards. DCR, just read anything coming out this week, questioning his love of game, ready to retire,etc. he was a little more known as a headcase, sounds like when things go well, he goes along well. eagles sucked he sucked, thought he’d be fine in a winning culture. backfired, it happens. Ward played under Davis, Byrd and Kelly knew eachother at Oregon. Coaches know these guys. Eagles know the style of play they want on defense. it wont be revolving staff tossing out new ideas every 4th week. Money is not an issue in ’15, that’s a crock. Herremans, Cole, Graham, and Williams come off books, that’s 18.5m cleared. Barwin can clear another 4.5m if desperate, but can always rework. take care of inhouse guys, even after signing top safety in FA, will roll over usual 10m. no drafted eagle will leave Philly in next 2 or 3yrs if they show something before getting to final year of rookie contract (Allen/Cooper). Foles getting ’14 has opened up top half of draft and cap space, which if qb was target probably would have been needed to use on mid level guys to round out team. use the cap space to solve the safety problem. use the draft to solve the WR and OLB issues.

    • GEAGLE

      Don’t you dare mention Barwin :)

      • GEAGLE

        And I don’t care what Howie says, he wouldn’t even have picked up the phone to ask about Goldson and RJF if he wasn’t down to spend some money

  • JofreyRice

    [crossing fingers for "smokescreen"]

    • Token

      I dont believe anything he says.

      The sign a bunch of average guys and pray one or two plays above their ability strategy doesnt get me too excited. I dont think Howie is the type to be scared to make a big move. Those quotes make it seem that way tho.

      • anon

        Think this article is a regurgitation of a quote he mad like s month ago. Only time will tell truth. I think barwin was only steal they got. We got s bunch of technically sound guys but no difference makers

        • GEAGLE

          Yup…PhillyMag actually already used these quotes in another article, but whatever…better then talking about Keyshawn all damn day

    • Richard Colton

      You know, we haven’t really talked about it – but I wouldn’t necessarily rule out a trade to fix our issues. Just for fun – Seahawks are, what, only 3 million under the cap? You win a Super Bowl and everyone wants a raise. They’re going to have a lot of decisions to make in that secondary, and even their backups have shown they can play. Can’t keep everyone – Thomas, Chancellor, Sherman. What gives?

      • NickS1

        What would you offer for them? Obviously Brandon Graham is included. Carroll loves him some DEs.

        • Richard Colton

          OK – well you’re teasing. I’m just spitballing here, but it would take draft picks followed by a willingness to renegotiate the player’s contract. I’m thinking of the Peters deal. Remember that year we had two 1st rounders and an absolute Winston Justice sized hole at LT? Rather than pick a rookie (Gabe Carimi?) cross our fingers and hope for the best, we traded our 2nd 1st rounder for an All-Pro. The two 1st round safeties aren’t locks to be stars, and who is excited about starting a rookie next to Wolff?

      • G_WallyHunter

        Jeeze, imagine a trade for Thomas? Lol ain’t happening, but good way to get this board riled up… best safety in league this year, don’t think they’re budging on him, he may be their #1 priority when it comes to extensions..
        Sherman and Chancellor tho, who knows like u said they will have lots of cap stuff to figure out, will be like Baltimore last year… Can’t wait for seattle to hit that brick wall and guys have to walk… Or released..

        • cliff henny

          they wrapped Cam up, he’s signed for 3 or 4 more yrs. Sherman is Seattle’s only issue. and they can move s rice and c clemmons/avril and clear about 15m. Seattles cap look pretty good, sadly.

          • Andy124

            Just need to hope they don’t hit on a stud WR in the draft. Basically the one thing they’re missing.

          • cliff henny

            have sidney rice and percy harvin not playing. maybe seattle’s fans have a good reason to be annoying.

          • Andy124

            I like both of those guys as players, but Seattle shouldn’t bank on either of them being available consistently. Or better yet, maybe they should put all of their eggs in those baskets.

          • Richard Colton

            Probably hoping Kelvin Benjamin or Jace Amaro falls to 31/32

          • Andy124

            I was thinking about Benjamin, but didn’t mention him by name because I didn’t want to argue over the possibility of him falling that far.

          • Maggie

            Don’t know about that. They have some more than adequate WRs and at least one of them is FA this year.

          • Richard Colton

            was hoping you would jump on, Capmaster!

          • cliff henny

            it’s a good cap. nothing leverage. dont see any star players making 700k with 9m cap, 15m dead, like Dallas. it looks like Eagles, with a boatload of better names.

          • G_WallyHunter

            Well damn, that dream was great while it lasted.

          • cliff henny

            they’ll lose some guys. walter thurmond, browner, and mcdaniels are free agents. sherman will eat up most of ’14 cap.

        • GEAGLE

          cam would be my first choice since Sherman is completely untouchable

      • theycallmerob

        Sign me up for Thurmond.

        • GEAGLE

          Get me Cam chancellor and I’ll dance thru the streets naked singing fly eagles fly. I’d give them two 2nd round picks for Cam all day, every day…now that dude, SETS THE TONE

    • CJ

      I think the operative phrase is the Roseman quote is “But if you go after a bunch of guys that you THINK may fit”. With Ward and Byrd, this staff already has plenty of context there which takes about 90% of the guesswork out of it. The system’s established, they know what they need, they have coaches on staff that have coached those guys before, they know who they are on the field and off.

      Just because those chumps back in 10 didn’t pan out, won’t cause Roseman to think twice about Byrd or Ward. Sure’s he’s not signing both plus Orakpo, and infusing that much payroll into a locker room. That’s the real lesson learned. Back then, there was inferior coaching, current players who felt betrayed because they felt they weren’t getting taken care of while the team brought in a bunch of mercenaries who neither fit the culture nor the scheme.

      Take care of your own, add complementary pieces where needed and high end pieces that fit (scheme AND culture) on occasion. Don’t do too much at once. Keep the existing players aware when changes are made that affect their roles. That’s what they did last year, that’s what creates buy-in, breeds loyalty and creates a willingness to sacrifice some ego on occasion.

      If someone equates Byrd / Ward with Nnamdi/DRC one more time I think I’ll puke. Totally different cases.

      • Maggie

        Well, one difference is that 31 other teams didn’t necessarily want to sign Nnamdi or DRC.

  • MoreRecentTimes

    Biggest difference btwn MLB FA & NFL FA? In footballl you’re getting players at the beginning of their prime, in terms of their maturation physically, and understanding of their craft. Vs. the MLB system that holds most players captive until the start of their physical decline in their early 30′s. Guys like Byrd and Ward warrant 5yr deals. Being in their mid-late 20′s, you can feel good about committing chunks of guaranteed money to them, knowing that you’re likely paying for their best years. Although we all know this team has multiple positions of need, the right plan of attack should allow them to address all of their holes in a fiscally responsible manor. Landing Byrd, the more likely availlable of the 2, or Ward, who is weeks away from being told how overrated he is by Joe Banner, will take some of the weight off the #22 pick and move them closer to taking the *BPA with less temptation from their needs. Posting 2 consecutive solid drafts puts them on the path of good fundamental team building, with young inexpensive talent forming the foundation, and a few select free agents filling the gaps. Dashon Goldson took 5yrs/$41M/$22M Guaranteed from Tampa last yr. It’ll be interesting to see if the Birds have moved past their unwillingness to commit big money to this perennially undervalued position.

    • JofreyRice

      The only thing that gives me pause, when considering Roseman’s comments, is the prospect of injury. I know there is no way to predict those kinds of things, but if they put all their eggs in one basket with someone like Byrd, and he blows out a knee in TC, I’d be pretty disappointed. More than that, the squad would be worse off than if they had tried the “batting average” or “pin the tail on the donkey” or “monkeys and typewriters” approach mentioned above.

      • anon

        Misses half the year w a lisfranc injury

      • CJ

        True. Yet Seattle’s really broken up about that Harvin deal. They stunk this year without him :D. Injuries are part of the game. Next man up. Even if that were to happen, just imagine what Byrd could do for a guy like Wolff even just from the sideline. You can’t take the batting average approach every year and expect to win. At the same time, acting like the Redskins and Cowboys every year won’t do it either. Balance is key.

  • MoreRecentTimes
    • Johnny Domino

      We’ll take up a collection for bail if that happens.

    • Will

      No way lmao…

    • Wilbert31

      All the poor guy did was choke the chicken. This store kills them, frys them up and sells them to people to eat. Everyday. SMH.

  • Broadcasting Wisdom

    Howie comes across very nicely in these quotes. Amazing what a couple strong drafts and a playoff appearance can do for my opinion of the man.

  • Token

    What a mess Dallas is. I think this supports my theory that Jerry is in the early stages of dementia.

    Signs the third play caller in 3 years.

    Rod Marinelli has been promoted to DC and Monte stays as assistant HC/Defense.

    • theycallmerob

      It’s Football Karma for that franchise

      • Token

        The time is now to go for it. Dallas is potentially a disaster. Washington has a new coach. Giants who the hell knows. Not to mention changes that could be happening on some of the other top NFC teams. Big offseason.

        • cliff henny

          time is now, and with smart FA moves and continued ’12/’13 drafting, will only improve as Foles does too. i’d put eggs in ’15 basket, not leverage ’14. still expect another nfc east title and home playoff win.

          • NickS1

            It’s all about ’15. Get a playoff win (hopefully more, obv) in ’14 to get that under the team’s belt, get some postseason traction. Another draft, a little turnover, with a new OLB taking over for Cole (can stay as backup at significantly reduced price), hopefully an upgrade to Herremans along with a couple other spots, I’m sure, and we’re sending Peters and possibly Mathis into retirement with a trophy while we’re all marching down Broad.

          • cliff henny

            yup. what’s nice about the team. it’s structured age and contract termination dates very well. you can make a case for moving on this or next yr for cole herremanns and graham, i’m a ’15 guy. have youth ready to take that opening cap space. have older vets like peters and ryans on end of expensive contracts, not in dallas situation where guys have to play another 3 yrs. strength of FA and draft lines up with current holes. shady is 25. Foles…it really just all comes down to Foles.

          • NickS1

            Yup. Don’t even know if he realizes how much pressure is really on him to be the guy after ’14, take a reasonable QB salary, call it 14-15, and keep some space for others.

          • anon

            Oline upgrades? We need pass rushers and secondary, and maybe a guard. Problem is Seattle and sf had years of top draft picks, eagles not really

          • Andy124

            Exactly. Fortunately, there are plenty of counter examples of teams that built to great heights without years and years of ineptitude. That’s the path we hope to travel.

          • NickS1

            Was working on the assumption of adding safety this offseason. The other spots, althought I didn’t mention, was thinking a CB. Yes, OL upgrades, 3 dudes over 30, don’t know what they’ll be after next season, think Peters and Mathis will be fine, but Herremans gotta go. Have to add depth since we have a lot of unknown quantities behind them as of now, could pan out, might not.

          • Marilyn Monbroe

            That’s why the rams should be stacked too.

        • Richard Colton

          it gets late early around here.

          Totally agree with you Token – who knows what the division and conference will look like in 2 or 3 years? That’s why we really can’t afford to wait another 2 years to fix the only two glaring holes on the team.

          • Token

            Yea I feel the next two years could be a big window of opportunity. After that who knows. They just gotta jump on it. If they could sure up the D and have Foles continue to improve, look out.

          • cliff henny

            Dallas is getting worse. by ’16, it will be huge mess, then replace Romo. Eli is getting replaced. that could take yrs. Wash, yeah, they could get staightened out, but still have Snyder. like to see a NE Pats like domination for rest of decade.

          • Richard Colton

            Half empty: aside from the cap issues, you could have said the same thing about the Eagles 13 months ago. That’s the great thing about football.

          • cliff henny

            sure, Nassib could be Foles Jr, but is Wash and NYG getting Kelly Jr? Coughlin’s time is soon up in NY. he and Eli have 1 or 2 yrs left on contracts. they are pretty much joined at hip. Eagles are well ahead of them now, have to mess up pretty good to get caught, and at least a couple season turnover is coming. Dallas has another year or 2, then the crap hits the fan. then after the fan is soiled, Romo has to be replaced. Dallas leverage alot for a ’12-’14 run, and it’s not panning out. Washington, who’s coaching, RG3, Snyder, i’d say they have clearest path to battle Eagles for multiple years, but that’s not saying much.
            .
            true about cap, why i follow it so closely. teams cant continuously do cap gymnastics like Dallas and Wash and expect it not to bite them in the ass. i’d fear NYG FO most, but thankfully Eli and Coughlin are at their ends. should stay ahead of them in ’14, then transition period, and see no reason why Eagles should take steps back anytime soon.

          • Richard Colton

            Could be. Then again…with budding stars in RGIII and Al Morris, under the leadership of Superbowl winning coach Shanahan, the Redskins are poised to dominate the NFC East for the next 8 years. Meanwhile, Andy Reid will be fired any day and the Eagles’ QB is 34 and injury prone.

          • Token

            Im curious to see how Morris does outside of the Shanny system.

          • Richard Colton

            Probably as well as Mike Anderson and Olandis Gary

          • cliff henny

            wont argue that kelly did in 1 yr what i thought would take 3. difference is, nothing was leveraged for ’13. look at KC’s cap, worst to first, Reid leveraged the bejesus out of it and draft picks. to get RG3 and Dallas have leveraged so much for ”12-’15 runs, and it’s not panning out. when people look at teams making leaps, think often what is missed is what it’s taking from next couple years for that improvement.

          • GEAGLE

            Dallas is pathetic..dudes ain’t even on my damn radar anymore. Cap is a mess, the players are a mess, and now the coaching hierarchy is a friggin mess…dudes don’t even deserve us thinking about them…”Americas JOKE of a team”… One playoff win in 17 friggin years…wake me up when they gain some brain cells and cut that loser Romo, until then, they just can’t be taken serious….dude fumbles a snap holding for a place kicker in the clutch..if that’s not a STONECOLD LOSER I don’t know who is

          • JofreyRice

            and following Seattle/SF’s blueprint, Foles is cheap now, but (hopefully) won’t be forever. Fill the roster with expensive talent where you have deficiencies, and take your shot.

          • Brian

            Just curious. Do they (SF/SEA) have similar deficiencies?

          • JofreyRice

            Not exactly, although Seattle needed to improve their pass rush, and brought in Bennett/Avril. Both teams needed WR’s, though. Addressed it in different ways–big money guys in Boldin/Harvin, altho Harvin looks to be more long-term.

          • GEAGLE

            Seattles biggest need is OT, but they also need WRs..they will lose Micheal Bennett to FA but they still have like 3 quality edge rushers..they probably lose(what’s his name the DT?), but they have Jesse Williams coming back
            ….
            I’m a Cam Chancellor groupie

          • GEAGLE

            Well I think Navaro Bowman is the BEST player on the Niners, and it can’t help that he tore up his knee so late in the season. They prob lose Witner in FA. BOldin might leave and he is getting up there in age..Aldon smith is a bad decision away from Rehab,,,one of these days Gore will roll out of bed and be drastically older then the day before. They run a bruising style of power football, he isn’t avoiding big hits like shady.

          • cliff henny

            should be alot easier for Eagles to work in Foles’ contract than SF for Kaep. Kaep wants max money and they did a little Dallas like structuring. couple guys are really going to balloon on them. Seattle will just lose some depth. think Eagles can pass SF alot quicker than Seattle, who’s not going anywhere for awhile. Sherman asking for Revis plus money would be great start. Lynch getting 3 yrs older in 1 off-season would help too.

          • JofreyRice

            Their backup backs are talented runners. Christine Michael, especially. And I think the offense will focus more on Wilson, as he gains experience. We’ll see, though. The D is young and stacked.

          • cliff henny

            opened Seattle’s ’14 cap, they’re not going anywhere for awhile. some big cap numbers, but have guys who arent playing that can free up alot. Eagles want a SB in next 5 yrs, Seattle will be an issue, big issue. SF is just easier to see developing problems. think they’ll be involved for awhile too. paying Sherman than Wilson should put dent into depth, but seattle has shown they can replace thru draft. first order of business is to get the games in Philly

          • JofreyRice

            yeah, and Seattle is really comfortable putting Chancellor in the box and leaving Thomas back there alone in single-high. Don’t know if they’ll do as much against the Broncos, because it’s not a high powered rushing attack.

            As long as their defense looks the way it does, their ability to commit the SS to the box–because of the competence of the 2 corners and FS playing cover 3 press–is a problem for anyone that makes running the ball a priority. As a football fan, it will be a fun matchup to watch. As an Eagle fan, I just wish they were a little worse.

          • cliff henny

            the only benefit is Seattle isnt adding FA top talent, they’ll be getting poached. but, they have/can retain enough and with how they’ve drafted, be rookies growing next to pro bowlers.
            .
            yeah, i like chancellor, alot. would love eagles to be that type of defense, except it’s so difficult to do. Carroll invested heavily for years, got very fortunate with Cam in 4th and sherman in 5th (might be rd off), too. hopefully get similar impact front 7, maybe more, and have much more dynamic offense to offset secondary. said for awhile rather have offense be superior strength with good defense…let’s hope that works.

          • JofreyRice

            I think it’s a lot more than luck. He knows what he’s doing. That’s why teams were lining up to see who would shake free after cut-downs in August. Look at the way they lost Brandon Browner–didn’t miss a beat when Maxwell took over the other corner spot.

          • Marilyn Monbroe

            Seattle has one more year to make a run. San fran is going to lose some talent on defense, just can’t afford all those studs. They’ll have a new corner and safety next year, and have to resign a few others.

        • anon

          We should have at least 6 wins next year

        • Giorgos Kassakos

          Last time I didn’t take the Giants as a threat, they won the Super Bowl.

    • Johnny Domino

      Early?

  • Will

    Not getting my hopes up for a Byrd/Ward signing with the bidding starting at 8-9 million a year….might be a smoke screen…..but if that’s the cost the birds will pass…I wonder if they would do 7 million for a Clemons/Whitner for that matter when they can do Allen for 3-4 million….we shall see…but not getting my hopes up…

    • MoreRecentTimes

      Where did $8-9M come from? Dashon Goldson’s deal paid him $4.25M last yr as the big prize in FA at safety. That’d be one hell of a leap!

      • anon

        Byrd wants to be highest paid, think his tag was high sixes and he wasn’t happy

        • CJ

          was he not happy with the $? Or the lack of a long term deal and associated injury risk? My guess is more the latter than former.

          • cliff henny

            little of both. he wants 9 to 9.5m per, on 4 or 5 yr contract with 30m guaranteed. he’ll get all or most of that too.

          • CJ

            He won’t get all. Most, but probably not as much as he (or you) anticipate.

            It’s about supply and demand. And there’s much more supply (at least as of now) in terms of FA safeties than there was last year. Byrd, Ward, Whitner, even Clemons will all be paid, but I don’t know that there’s going to be 5 teams out there willing to pay $5M+ for a safety. It’s a position trending toward being viewed as more important than before, but not by that much.

            I’d peg the Byrd around 7.5 to 8 at most over 5, Ward a little less over the same, Whitner right around 5 and Clemons just a hair under with fewer years. Just my hunch, Of course, if Ward and Whitner stay put and Byrd’s the only big name on the market, totally agree 9 is reasonable then.

          • cliff henny

            there’s plenty of demand. besides Seattle, be plenty of teams willing to pony up. Byrd turned down 8m/yr 20m guarenteed already. think he and his agent dont know market? you might get Byrd to play for 7.5m/yr, that’s only after cutting him 10-12m signing bonus. he’s getting paid. so is ward. heck, Allen might get in 4m neighborhood. safety play in nfl is just that bad.

          • GEAGLE

            Honestly, got nthe impression that there is no amount buffalo could offer to get him to stay…dude wants a big market, and he wants to win

      • cliff henny

        goldson cap number is 8-9m. TB front loaded contract with signing bonus. Eagles could do same, but ward and Byrd will want more guarantee. Goldson only has 2 yrs of guaranteed money plus signing bonus, think ward/byrd will need 3rd maybe 4th yr. they want paid, it’s gonna sting. eagles have it though.

        • GEAGLE

          I’d give them 3years guarenteed

          • cliff henny

            think we’re getting worked up over guarenteed. the signing bonus is going to high enough that the contract will be 4 yr liability, regardless of ward or byrd. it’s not going to be NNo-D 2yrs get out easily type that sometimes is tossed about

          • GEAGLE

            Yup…most likely…problem is that idiot Snyder needs safety help, and if we lose Ward or Byrd to the skins, I’m going to lose it

          • cliff henny

            yeah, looks like ‘skins have serious money. which is good thing, let’s snyder do his fantasy GM’g again.

          • GEAGLE

            I hope they buy old ass dude like my boy peanut and Ryan Clark..They have to spend ATleast 40mil on keeping Orakpo..they desperately need defense and Oline

          • cliff henny

            feel safe it wont be spent wisely. bet Snyder will want bounce back year.

          • GEAGLE

            broncos are using the jets facilities this week and they are saying the jets hope their beautiful facility helps sell broncos free agents to sign with the jets, Mainly Dekker….you gotta be a real dope to pay all that money for Dekker with such a strong crop of WR prospects in this draft

      • Will

        Byrd if franchise would get 8.2 million….Byrd wants to be the highest paid Safety in the league…

  • Engwrite

    I don’t buy what Roseman is saying. I was delighted when they traded for DRC. Stunned and ecstatic when they signed Nnambi. Added to Asante, they formed (on paper) the best and most awesome set of CBs in the league. Did the Eagles screw up 2011? Sure, but not for the reasons Roseman is saying. DRC was a good acquisition and Nnambi didn’t do so bad that first year. Asante was here and he was very good. But Reid decided (BTW I think Reid is the best coach the Eagles have ever had) to fire McDermott, get Washburn, commit to the wide nine and then, maybe because he had no other options, he decided to make Castillo, hitherto the OL assistant, the Defensive Coordinator. Nnambi may have been over the hill but DRC definitely was not (he was electric in camp). And Asante was not. But with three all-pro starting CBs, with entirely different and non matching style/skill sets, with neither able to play the slot, they had three unhappy out of place, out of sorts starters. That was not helped by having wide nine caused runaway trains coming at them (and the safeties)
    They also decided that rookie 4th round draftee Casey Mathews would be the starting MLB. Really? Mathews was supposed to close the mid-field highway created by the wide nine? Just think: how much different would it have played out if instead of adding Nnambi, an unnecessary 3rd all pro corner, they would have gone after a real MLB, someone like Tulloch? someone available and familiar with the wide nine? And/or a real defensive co-ordinator who could’ve schemed with what he had on the field. Lets not blame the players they signed, lets blame management for playing fantasy football, lets blame all of them, but mostly Reid. (Yes I do believe he was the best we have had [remember 4 trips to the championship in 4 years?] but valid personal excuses aside, starting with McDermott’s dismisal, he got himself into a terrible bind, a down spiral that lasted throughout his last two years.)

    • Token

      paragraphs please.

    • MoreRecentTimes

      Difference now is they have better personnel guys in the fold with Tom Gamble and Tom Donahue. Plus a head coach with a vision of a defense as aggressive as his offense. You cant be aggressive on D without a solid secondary, and strength up the middle for that matter. They’ve tinkered with mediocrity at safety for long enough. I’m slowly building a faith in this scouting department that I’ve never really had before

    • anon

      Yeah think coaching is more to blame than high priced picks

    • BigWhoopWannaFightAboutIt

      Two things, the man’s name is Nnamdi with a ‘D’ and please, please, please use paragraphs.

      Other than that, you’re right.

      • Engwrite

        No stream of consciousness allowed?

        • BigWhoopWannaFightAboutIt

          Not one that doesn’t take a few breaths.

  • Andy124

    While Roseman stresses quantity over quality, I think there’s still plenty of room for one splash (safety) followed by plenty of batting average type signings. There’s room to do both. He just doesn’t want to swing big over and over and over again.

  • Scott J

    The problem wasn’t the free agents they got, it was Reid and his coaching staff. They couldn’t develop any young players they drafted, and they couldn’t motivate any FA’s to play at a high level. The entire Reid regime was dysfunctional.

    • Marilyn Monbroe

      Reid started struggling as he lost the majority of his coaching staff, and gained more responsibilities in the organization as time went on.

  • Token
    • Andy124

      Some have projected he falls to 22. I’d be more than a little surprised and quite possibly have to change my pants if that happened.

      • Token

        especially after the combine, theres not a chance of that happening.

        • Richard Colton

          really wishful thinking. I’m actually starting to come around to the idea that Attaochu might be a 1st round pick.

          • Token

            I havent gotten around to looking at guys yet. Theres just so much time until the draft. I think the picture doesnt even start to get clearer until after the combine.

      • GEAGLE

        Believe it….he will fall

  • Rick H

    How much do you really pay a top safety? Now that the league is so pass first oriented i would say more then previous years. However the changing rules which make the receiver much more willing and safe to go over the middle in my mind negates big hitters so that part might be a minus to a free agent negotiating ability.

    Cover skills/intelligence/consistently healthy/team oriented/open minded & willing film study guy/consistent willing tackler/field general/ natural instinctive football sense and as far as physical abilities the safety has to have size and above average speed.
    That is a lot to ask for but that is what the teams are looking for today.

    It is not an easy find these days. Once these guys get the big payday do they still have that all in mentality? These players are more business/long term health savvy then ever before. So it is not so black and white. Just my opinion.

    • Maggie

      And your opinion is just as valid as anyone’s, so don’t be afraid to express it.

  • John J. King

    I get the impression that Chip’s rule is the player has to fit from a personality/work ethic standpoint. he interviews them and will take a guy with less raw talent if he measures up in other ways. Howie will consider that before paying out.