Offseason Outlook: Eagles Quarterbacks

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This week, we’ll offer offseason outlooks for the Eagles, position-by-position. Each day, we’ll answer a pressing question and rank the position on the priority scale. First up is quarterback.

PRESSING QUESTION: WHAT’S THE PLAN AT BACKUP QB?


Kapadia: We know (barring something completely unforeseen) that Nick Foles will be the man going into 2014. Chip Kelly said as much at the end of the season. But Kelly has maintained time and again since the day that he took the Eagles' job that you need two capable quarterbacks to get through a 16-game season.

The primary option from 2013, Michael Vick, seems unlikely to return. But I think the other QB on the roster, Matt Barkley, is the leading candidate to back up Foles next season.

I know Barkley averaged just 6.1 YPA and threw four interceptions (no TDs) in spot action as a rookie. But he'll now get a full offseason to work with Kelly and the coaches. If you want evidence of how important that can be, look no further than the leap Foles made from Year 1 to Year 2.

The options on the free agent market are not exactly enticing. Barkley's played a lot of football in his life, and the Eagles obviously like his skill set, or they wouldn't have moved up to take him in the fourth round of last year's draft. The truth is if he's not ready to be the backup in 2014, there might not be a reason to keep him on the roster.

McManus: The day after the loss to the Saints, Howie Roseman was asked how the emergence of Foles will impact their offseason approach to the QB position.

“I think we have to be careful in saying what we don’t need or what we may have on the roster because you never know what you may need going forward. The way we’ll look at it, if there is a talented player player at any position and we have him highly ranked in the draft and he’s on the board when we pick, we’re going to be interested in him. I think if you get into the mode of, ‘We have this so we don’t need,’ you never know where the league is going to take you."

The Eagles won't be shy about drafting a quarterback, in other words, even though Foles laid claim to the starting job with an outstanding 2013 campaign. The idea is to keep adding talent to the roster, and the Eagles don't want to pass up talent at any position because they think they have the future figured out.

With Vick likely to sign elsewhere, they'll probably be in the market for a third signal-caller regardless. Barkley has the best shot at securing the backup position, but as we learned Kelly likes to establish a competitive environment in camp and will award the job to whoever earns it.

PRIORITY SCALE: FROM 1 TO 5

* 1 indicates there is no need at all to address the position in free agency or the draft. 5 means it's of the highest priority that the Eagles focus on the position in the coming months.

Kapadia: Put me down for a 2. The Eagles have two of three of their QB spots filled for 2014, so this isn't a need position.

But the organizational philosophy is that you don't pass up quality at this spot. That's why drafting a quarterback with some upside in the mid-to-later rounds this spring would not surprise me.

The plan as I see it: If there's an inexpensive free agent (like Trent Edwards from a couple years ago) who seems like a fit, sign him. If there's a developmental prospect available in the draft at the right spot, pick him. Let the new guy(s) compete with Barkley for the backup job in the summer, and go from there.

As we've seen in the past, being in a position where you have too many capable quarterbacks opens up the possibility of taking advantage of other needy teams.

McManus: I'm at a 3. It's the game's most important position, and right now the picture beyond Foles is cloudy. It's impossible to know whether Barkley will establish himself as a strong No. 2 option. That uncertainty can't sit well with Kelly, who routinely preaches that you need two quarterbacks in this league.

As you mentioned, Sheil, the free agent class is uninspiring. Perhaps they'll pick a QB up on the open market as a "just in case" and then see how the draft shakes out.

  • Shawn Williams

    So I wonder if we would draft teddy bridgewater or johnny manziel if they are their at 22

    • RIP illa

      Why not?! Draft one or the other let them sit behind Foles and compete w/ Barkley for the number 2 spot (which I think both if them can outplay him w/ their eyes closed). And if they have to go in a game or two, for Foles over the course of the next several seasons, and they do well then we’d recoup their value and then some in a future trade scenario!!!

      • Goombachiphi

        Or just trade the pick then and there. take the risk out of it.

        • RIP illa

          Perhaps. But I would like having a QB, that’s better than Barkely, around for a bit. Plus the gains would be better, in this hypothetical scenario, if Teddy or Jonny got to prove themselves in the league. No risk no reward!!!

          • Adam

            So what about the 8 other positions we could upgrade at 22 that actually, ya know, need an upgrade.

          • RIP illa

            Lol. What happened to all you guys and your banging the table for BPA??? Bridgewater or Manziel would be at 22. Unless Barr or Mack would fall to that number. But in the scenario presented…it only mentioned Bridgewater and Manziel.

          • GEAGLE

            Lol right..everyone talks that pure BPA ish.lif we actually stuck to it there would be an uproar

          • Adam

            You don’t spend first round resources on a QB when you have so many holes elsewhere unless A) you need a starter or B) your current starter is old and on the decline. There is always flex in BPA. I wouldn’t take a running back here either. There are at least 23 other prospects that I would rather take than Manziel, so there is no way he will be BPA. If Bridgewater is somehow magically there at 22 you trade back and collect some picks this year or next.

          • RIP illa

            Why would anyone trade up w/ us if they know A) and B) about us? If they still did, what would we get at best…a 2nd and 4th…maybe a 2nd and a 3rd next year? Perhaps we do get lucky, in this scenario, if some stupid GM blows his load and over pays for the trade.
            Chip and the whole 2 QB thing and all. Your B) may or may not be!!! We’re not garunteed to take an OLB in the 1st and I’m assuming you were speaking of Cole w/ that. Who knows…don’t really care!!! Just a hypothetical that won’t happen!!!

          • Richard Colton

            Yea Illadelph, I’d love OLB/WR/S in round one as much as anyone here. But there are only two or three positions where I’d scratch my head and say “bad pick” based on position alone. Don’t see them going QB with #22. Any other pick is fair game.

          • RIP illa

            Fair enough.

          • Adam

            Uhh.. teams would trade up with us because they know that we don’t want/need a QB, but the teams behind us might not OR are also trying to find a team to trade back with who wants that player. Teams don’t contact teams to trade because they know the team in that spot wants said player. In fact it’s the opposite.

            Chip and the whole 2 QB thing? You mean having a capable backup? Pretty sure that’s any coach in the NFL. It’s nothing specific to Chip.

            I’m not talking just OLB at 22. Anywhere on the OL, WR, DL, OLB, ILB, S and CB would all be positions that we need more than a backup QB.

          • Adam

            An an extra 2nd and 3rd round pick would be massive. Not sure why you wouldn’t think that would be a good thing. Especially with the crop of juniors in this draft.

          • RIP illa

            I’m contradicting myself cuz I would love nothing more than to draft Defense for the majority of this draft. I just don’t see us getting a killing for trading back. And I do see a huge gain, past just an extra 2nd, 3rd, and/or 4th, if Bridgewater (especially) or Manziel can show and prove in this league…w/ us still having Foles as our starter. In my hypothetical, I choose to believe that they will and therefor I’m looking at an Extra 1st and 2nd in the future. You guys make valid points. But you also act like it’s so obvious (and maybe it is). Well if it’s that obvious, then I see teams seeing it as being obvious also. Therefor I don’t see them giving the kinda of compensation that some of you guys have suggested to us, if they even consider us as a trade option at all.

          • Richard Colton

            It’s obvious because we’ve been playing first-pick.com – you should see the haul they always offer you for trading down. Believe me, if the game were close to the truth, I wouldn’t even need free agency.

          • RIP illa

            Lol!!! I gotta go on that site one of these days.

          • Media Mike

            What you don’t realize is that the other 31 teams on first-pick are programmed to mirror the decision making process of Jerry Jones.

          • Richard Colton

            So that’s why there’s no free agent kickers left?

          • Adam

            If teams believe Bridgewater or Manziel can show and prove in this league then they don’t make it to #22. The only way they fall that far is if teams have doubts, which is why they would hold onto their initial pick then use a few of their mid round picks to trade back into the first. That way they get their top guy and a QB to boot. If a team like Oakland, Jacksonville, Cleveland have a shot at Clowney, who might be a once in a generation type player, and then can trade back into the first at a cost of a 2nd and 3rd round pick to get a guy that could turn into a franchise QB as well, that’s something that they would pull the trigger on.

            If you could get a great player in the first round, and still have the chance at a guy you consider a franchise QB at the cost of a 2nd and 3rd round pick that’s a good deal. But like I said, if teams consider these guys franchise worthy then he doesn’t make it to 22.

          • theycallmerob

            so if 21 teams pass on them, that somehow makes them BPA and automatically trumps every and any need? Something tells me that’s now how it works…

          • RIP illa

            Every year teams pass on prospects and sometimes, multiple times, and for a multitude of reasons and are proven wrong in their assessments. No one knows how it works!!!

          • theycallmerob

            Sorry RIP….there’s just no way after the year Foles had that a team with as many needs as ours goes and gets a 1st rd QB to “solidify” the backup position. I can’t possibly see any defense for that argument.

          • RIP illa

            Ok. I stated my reasons on why I would. If they’re not good enough then that’s fine.

          • cliff henny

            unless teddy drops. but i cant see him getting there. someone in top 10 qb desperate crowd will crack and hand over rds 2-4 to move up.

          • Richard Colton

            Holy s$it. Trying to figure out a scenario where Johnny Football falls to #22. OK – say it happens. It probably means Cleveland passed on QB at #4 and is praying they still have a shot at their guy. If he’s sitting there at 22, we could probably wring their 1st and 2nd out of them. Minimum. In this draft, where 20-40 looks deep, I’d love that swap.

          • RIP illa

            If they passed at 4 why would they trade w/ us at 22? Why wouldn’t they just wait and see if he keeps falling to them? Since my way is obviously wrong, wouldn’t they play off the fact that we won’t draft him cuz of Foles and 1st rd resource argument…etc? Why wouldn’t they trade up earlier before us or after us? And despite the player, I do really think that the value would not change all that much for trading up 4 spots in the back of the 1st. Especially w/ how shrewd Banner is!!!

          • Richard Colton

            Had this conversation with Rob and GEAGLE a while back. For some reason, when Clevland has two 1st round picks and needs a QB, they historically labor under the idea they can grab a quality passer with their 2nd pick. Brady Quinn, Brandon Weedon. They may not like the idea of taking the 3rd rated player at his position with the 4th pick in the draft. Or hell, could just be that they’re Cleveland.
            Anyway, the process is too unpredictable to say he 100% won’t fall to 22. And I think we all know that the Eagles will have at least one or two QBs w/ 1st round grades. I wouldn’t rule out a QB pick at #22, just think it’s unlikely.

          • RIP illa

            Yeah so do I, and that’s some great Cleveland knowledge. I just don’t see Banner ever giving this team tha type of compensation and/or playing into our hands.

          • cliff henny

            remember 4 monts ago when i was hoping for johnny philadelphia a 15, seems like a lifetime ago.

          • Richard Colton

            yeah – I don’t view #22 as a problem. Now that we don’t have to draft a QB, its like we picked up an extra 1st rounder. Half full!

          • cliff henny

            if you think about it, foles becoming Foles not only saves #22, 2nd rd and next yrs 1st, probably more. plus, figure they can use cap now to instead pick up 3 or 4 mid level guys, can get 1 top player. the trickle down effect of Foles is incredible.

          • Richard Colton

            thats true – if we were outside of the top 5 picks, trying to trade UP to get a guy who’s never attempted an NFL pass. Wow. Exciting offseason. I’ll take our situation.

          • cliff henny

            imagine doing the rg3 trade, with ’12, ’13, ’14 draft. give up lj, cox and mike evans, plus 2nd in ertz or kendricks, for a guy on 2nd blown knee. needing to fill those holes plus existing in free agency, so probably let Peters go to sign more mid tier guys since have so little talent. painfull.

          • anon

            Doubtful, i think they have indy’s pick at 25/26. The problem with that strategy is that we’d have to take Manziel, which would be a cluster.

          • MoreRecentTimes

            We can’t take a qb @22. We have too many other pressing needs. Not even if Elway fell to us.

          • Maggie

            Elway?

          • cliff henny

            trade out would be the way to go. that be a dream. move down ~10 spots, that team better have 4 picks in next rds 2-4 to hand over.

          • RIP illa

            So who are the teams, besides Cleveland down ~10 spots from us that would want to give up a boat load, in a trade, for one of the 2 QBs mentioned?

          • cliff henny

            you’re acting like it’s not common for teams to jump back into end of 1st to get a player they want. team like houston might take clowney and think f rest of draft,if we can walk with teddy too. teddy isnt falling out of top10. manziel is only guy that has this chance.

          • RIP illa

            Not acting like anything. I took your ~10 spots to mean 32-22. So if it’s Houston, what are we looking at…their 2nd and 3rd, or their 2nd and 4th?

            EDIT: Eventhough I don’t think Cleveland would play the kinda ball we wanted them too, I Like RC’s scenario better.

          • cliff henny

            2nd and 3rd, sure at least. want somthing later too. dallas dropped from18-30 and picked up a 3rd. most thought dallas got short-sticked. qbs always cost more. hoping a little bidding war. so many qb desperate teams. i’ll be rooting for a bortles or carr to tumble. dont see tb or jf falling.

          • anon

            Josh Gordon for the pick. Sounds easy enough to me.

    • theycallmerob

      those guys aren’t dropping regardless, but if this team spends a 1st on a QB I’ll put Howie on the same pedestal as Jerrah

    • Maggie

      Wouldn’t draft Manziel at 300.

      • Media Mike

        Truth.

  • Bullwinkle

    I bet the definition of the best player from their list that is still available has some level of flex to it, which will allow the Eagles to focus more on defense this draft. It is so hard to accurately evaluate hundreds of players, I think there are probably situations where some players are virtually tied in the Eagle’s ratings. Areas of weakness must be addressed somehow or the Birds will always be a bridesmaid.

  • GEAGLE

    So,let me get this straight…if Barkley isn’t ready to backup FOles,,a,mid round developmental talent will be? Makes sense lol

    We know nothing about Barkley! but I’m sure Chip has a good idea about whether he will be ready to handle number two or not next year. If the answer is yes, we will be able to draft a developmental guy, if the answer is NO, then you have to sign a veteran. Only way you could sign a veteran and draft a developmental guys is if you cut Barkley..if we cut Barkley after one offseason! then we will prob have to cut the developmental guy after the season, so I’m not sure mentioning that we would cut Barkley this soon makes any sense whatsoever….and I don’t even like the guy

    • RIP illa

      The only thing I disagree w/ is that we know nothing about Barkely. We don’t know everything, but we do know a little. I don’t like him either, but I wouldn’t mind a developmental guy to compete w/ him. But yeah a Vet would make more sense.

      • GEAGLE

        I would much rather have a developmental guy too..but if Barkley can’t be the backup, then how do you draft a developmental guy when we will need a veteran to backup Nick? Sorry, but we know NOTHING about Barkley…you got to be kidding if you think we know anything from his first game and a half with no practice reps

        • RIP illa

          Said the Vet option makes more sense.

          • GEAGLE

            Hopefully Barkley is better then we think, because drafting another QB could provide more value down the road, but it’s all going to depend on how much Chip trusts Barkley to be ready to be a number two by september

        • MoreRecentTimes

          I dont see how Barkley not being ready prohibits a younger guy from being ready? Young guys come in and perform all the time. Barkely didnt show an inkling of promise. I would try to move him for a later rd pick if possible b4 I cut him, but if you don’t think the kid has IT, why waste time rostering him when you could move forward.

          • GEAGLE

            Young 4th round QBs come in and perform all the time? Really?

          • MoreRecentTimes

            Do you know the differnce between a guy with tools and promise, and a kid who struggles to push the ball down field? Did you see wr getting KILLED when he threw the bubble screens and flats. You cant survive without armstrength. Foles doesnt have an ideal arm and he’s got 1000 times more power than than MB. If you blame the shoulder and want to give him another off season that’s fine. Provided we get another option just in case, but enough already. We’re already ahead of the game getting what we got outta #9. Enough sueezing blood from stones.

      • Maggie

        WE may know nothing about Barkley, but those coaching him and watching him, and feeding him smoothies for the last 7 months probably do.

        • RIP illa

          When did I say we know nothing about Barkley? I believe I said pretty much the opposite!!!

    • FluxCapacitor

      I think it’s a hedge more than anything. You sign a vet in case you are not presented with a viable choice in the draft – that way you are not reaching ans wasting a pick. Then, assuming Barkley has taken the needed steps forward, the vet and rookie are competing for the third roster spot. If Barkley is not up to snuff, then you keep the vet and rookie.

    • DharmaBum

      Agreed…to an extent. We don’t really know anything about Barkley, but I have to think that a guy who started very game since freshman year in high school will show a helluva lot more with a full, injury-free, offseason as the #2 in camp. Barring the return of Vick, i don’t think there’s any way he isn’t the back-up to Foles next year. That aside, I think it’s a 50/50 split on the chances of us signing a veteran arm versus a developmental prospect.

      Consider this: Let’s say Nick continues to develop and takes the next step, tightening his hold on the position. Of course, we have no way of knowing this until we get in-season, much less pre-draft. But if that proves to be the case, then you then have no need for a developmental guy, since Barkley is ALREADY that guy at this early stage. In that scenario, you sign a veteran arm as an emergency plan that provides some surety at the position.

      Alternately, let’s say Nick’s breakout proves to be an aberration (which I doubt), or he gets hurt. In that circumstance, you have Barkley step in and you see what you have in him. If that happens, you had BETTER have a veteran guy you can trust to at least manage the team in a worst case scenario.

      In either case, a veteran makes the most sense. Add in the fact that, I’d imagine Chip would be slightly more enamored with next year’s class of first round QB’s, i.e. Mariota, Winston, Hundley, Petty, etc. I believe he’d rather choose from that lot, than this year’s class any day. Besides, if our QB situation does indeed go in the toilet this year for some bizarre reason, it will necessarily give us the record we need to draft high enough to get one of them. In any case, both scenarios would preclude us from drafting a developmental prospect this year, who would be out in the cold next year.

      A veteran makes the most sense. The only way I can see us drafting a rookie QB, regardless of round, is if Chip has supreme confidence in, not only Foles, but Barkley as well. The draft will tell us a lot about his thinking in a lot of areas, but that one might be the most telling…

  • GEAGLE

    Apparently if I’m to listen to analysts:
    1) we won’t sign any major quality free agents
    2) we won’t retain our free agents
    3) and we will spend one of the 5 quality draft picks we have on QB
    4) and stick to pure BPA, if a safety or OLB aren’t at the top of our board so be it?
    5) not only will we do nothing with our 35mil, but we will also cut veterans too free up more money, when allegedly we don’t have much talent so why do we need money to extend our guys?

    Makes sense

    • RIP illa

      Lol…yep!!! If Howie did what the press is trying to beat into our heads, I’d lose my shit!!!

      • GEAGLE

        Like do people even think before they print oppinions?

        • Andy124

          We need all that cap space so we can sign Chung to the biggest contract ever.

          • cliff henny

            give chung some credit, he did the impossible…made fans want Coleman to be resigned.

          • G_WallyHunter

            first 100 million dollar DB contract in league history? I could see it

          • GEAGLE

            You think we could outbid jerry Jones and Snyder for Chung’s services?

          • Andy124

            Yes. Yes I do.

    • anon

      I think they are probably just going off of what happened last year.

    • mrparabolic

      1) The Eagles won’t be going after high visibility free agents because those guys will have a market that is willing to overpay for their services. It doesn’t make sense to get into a bidding war for an over-hyped player.
      2) Where did you read this?
      3) Only if he is the BPA when it’s our turn.
      4) Yes. BPA. That’s what winning teams do. Every team has needs. Good teams don’t pass on great players so they can replace one bad safety with another.
      5) Way too early to speculate on this. The Eagles have to act quick if they want to restructure Avant before his roster bonus hits, but other than that they really won’t need to make any cuts until the roster limit drops from 90. At that point the decision to keep veterans won’t be based on money. It will be based on who gives the team the best chance to win.

  • MoreRecentTimes

    Regardless how much I like Foles, we MUST draft a qb at some point this yr. If the kid goes down we’re stuck with Barkley. No thanks. Draft the most athletic kid you can find in the 5th Rd. And let him marinate for 2-3yrs. If Foles is the franchise you can start developing a chip to trade, and covering your but in the meantime. A yr with Barkley at the helm would be a lost yr. The kid does not have the needed velocity to beat NFL competition. And as much as nobody wants to hear it, Chip wants a more mobile QB.In his mind he could’ve had this yrs success with any swinging dick provided they were accurate and took care of the ball. This offense should score 40 week in and week out.

    • Adam

      It’s interesting that people still go with the athletic QB narrative when the first QB drafted was Barkley

      • MoreRecentTimes

        Because we realize the threat of the option would open this offense up in the most profound way. When you already have to scheme to cover every gap vs. McCoy, have help over the top for Jackson, defend the seams from Ertz and Celek…knowing the qb is going to stay in the pocket is a great luxury that I’m certain Chip does not enjoy giving the defense. Considering all the voodoo around his system is based on the very simple principal of putting the defense in a bad match up. Having a statue for a QB is like trading a queen for rook. Foles is a very smart , capable QB who will win in this system. But if he had even Rodgers legs, forget about it. You see it when the play breaks down and he starts that stumble to the sidelines, knowing he doesn’t have the arm strength to make most of those throws on the rollout, and winds up taking bad sacks instead of running or throwing the ball away. Its his biggest flaw. And two weapons he lacks. The cannon and the legs. He gets by on timing and smarts. And that’s ok. But its not ideal.

        • theycallmerob

          because as well all know, those QBs grow on trees.
          guess some folks will never be happy.

          edit: i missed this gem. And two weapons he lacks. The cannon and the legs.
          deja vu….

          • MoreRecentTimes

            Am I lying?

          • Adam

            Who is this Aaron Rodgers reincarnate you’re thinking about drafting?

          • Richard Colton

            Can we at least draft the mustache?

          • MoreRecentTimes

            I said a guy with similar mobility would be sufficient to meet my standard of mobility. Not a guy just like Rodgers in all aspects. Are you a Sith?

          • MoreRecentTimes

            Funny how after watching Peyton look like a dusthead trying to cross 76 people are starting to say “Damn, there’s no way Foles could deal with that Seattle D!” Chip saw it . We’re drafting a mobile QB. Like it or not.

        • Adam

          Please find me the next Aaron Rodgers in this draft and I’ll be glad to talk about this. More than a QB being a threat of the option Chip puts value on protecting the ball. For every QB that can run around out there 8 times out of 10 you’re going to have a QB that isn’t as accurate and or one that puts the ball on the ground. You’re going to ignore the fact that two thirds of the QB Chip had on his roster last year were pocket passers? That’s a pretty important fact. Fact is this is the NFL, and I’m sure it’s not lost on Chip that more important than running for a few first downs is the ability to not turn the ball over and stay healthy for a full season.

          Why wouldn’t you put the resources in upgrading your defense, so when Foles does take sack here and there you can punt the ball and feel safe knowing your D can make a stop and you can live to fight another day? I’ll take a guy who threw an NFL record TD to INT ratio and a few extra pieces on defense ANY day and twice on Sundays.

          It’s pretty hilarious that we’re having this conversation considering the success Foles had this season. The grass is always greener.

          • cliff henny

            let’s say Eagles take a qb, what are the chances he’s at foles’ today, in 2 yrs. but that’s not even taking into consideration in 2 yrs, foles will be 2 yrs better! and, even Foles’ toughest critics, and i was certainly was not a supporter for awhile, have to admit, he’s getting better.

          • Adam

            For sure. It’s lost on people that Foles has yet to even have a full off season as a starter, and he’s had to learn 2 different systems in 2 years. Considering how well he did, I think that’s pretty amazing. And even better, we don’t have to make this call this year anyways.. we’re in no way financially committed to Foles so if somehow he crashes and burns then we can have this draft a QB discussion next off-season.

          • MoreRecentTimes

            I don’t hate Foles. I just don’t love him. He’s gifted mentally and flawed physically. I think anyone who makes sound decisions on the field can put up numbers in this system. Foles makes the right read way more than he fails, and has enough talent to make most plays. But he cant make them all. And it showed vs . Dallas &N.O. We should have ran away with both games. Notice how teams play tight man coverage, and all the sudden he cant find a reciever? Because he doesnt trust his arm to get the pass in tight spaces. Guys arent gonna be wide open all day in this league. You gotta improvise when the defense takes away aspects of your game. He has trouble doing this. Yes, he will get better, but he won’t throw much harder, and he won’t learn how to break the pocket and get up field unless he’s completely unattended. Sorry you disagree, but thats what I want in my qb.

          • Media Mike

            But the “break the pocket and get upfield” guys do things like fumble twice and throw 2 INTs in the 4th quarter of playoff games. No thanks.

          • cliff henny

            that’s fine, draft all the freemans and christian ponders of the world, i’m happy with Foles, for ’14. he deserves another yr. nfl isnt fantasy football, where is this guy? Teddy Bridgewater, i guess, maybe. you have to take cost analysis of getting player, giving up 3 1st and a 2nd (rg3 trade) at least. then have time factor. he isnt luck, will have growing pains. i like little mobility too, but isnt a necessity to win, like pass-rush or good o-line play. have many examples of brick feet qbs winning super bowls, none where defense cant get to qb or isnt protected. as for not beating man, alot of that was weapons. Ertz is still raw, TEs take a year. bet good money in Aug we see a different guy. Cooper is a good 4th recr, and avant is not beating anyone anymore. Jax, they just roll safety. switch Maclin for Cooper, put a beckham, landry or evans inside, teams go single safety load box, it’ll get ugly quickly. if you think kelly will let single high safety m2m be an issue this season, please goto fishduck.com and watch archives. oregon destroyed that defense, unless o-line got dominated. Eagles wont even fix all the flaws this off-season, so in ’13 it’s fair to say he was playing behind less than ideal talent.

          • George

            yeah, foles isn’t the sexy pick, but he gets the job done, for sure

          • Andy124

            His numbers look pretty sexy to me.

          • Maggie

            While I agree about upgrading the defense, I don’t believe that anybody said Foles needs replacing. just saying look for a QB to develop for a couple of years and play backup.

          • Media Mike

            Aaron Rodgers wasn’t even Aaron Rodgers in the draft. His arm strength was developed in Green Bay as he sat and learned.

          • cliff henny

            people forget he sat for 3 yrs, then took another 3-4 to become Aaron Rodgers-best in business. the super bowl year he caught fire in playoff, but wasnt the guy he is today. could see the incredible talent, but wasnt game in game out like today. td/to ratio was worse than 2-1 in yrs 4 and 5, just south in 6th. in his 7th year it jumps to 7-1, the beast we see today. even biggest Foles homer doesnt compare him to Rodgers, but it does take time.

          • theycallmerob

            you mean, the legs are always faster.

        • ia

          Combine observations: Nick Foles arm strength:

          If teams can fall in love with his arm strength, he could be selected as early as the second round to develop and become an eventual starter.AnalysisStrengths Foles has a strong arm that gets him through various other hitches in his game. There are times when Foles throws the deep, cross-field out-route while on his back foot (and facing pressure) accurately and with ease. While not the most athletic quarterback, he is aware in the pocket to avoid pressure and has a good sense of how and when to extend a play to his advantage. As a deep passer he has strength but can struggle with accuracy at times. His accuracy is evident in his short to intermediate throws, where he can put it right on a receiver or lead him fluidly in stride. He would be more valuable in a West Coast scheme where could make quick decisions and not be forced to unleash deep throws on a consistent basis. He is an excellent game manager for moving the ball in bunches up the field. He is extremely poised in the pocket and rarely lets a heavy pass rush rattle his throws.

          Foles can throw the football +50 yards sitting on his knees. That’s what he accomplished his 4th year in college I remember.

          • MoreRecentTimes

            Yeah, I have my own set of eyes, thanks. The kid has “sufficient” arm strength, not a strong arm. This is evident in the trajectory of his throws and how much he has to load up to throw on a rope or the longball

        • Media Mike

          The only “threat” the option presents is to the viewing quality of the game, audience demographics, and long-term health of the QB. No thanks.

    • Richard Colton

      If you really need your athletic QB – you can probably grab Taj Boyd in the 7th. He’s dropping like a stone.

      • MoreRecentTimes

        Because Boyd stinks. And actually, those guys do sorta grow on trees now days. Especially when you have the luxury of sitting them behind Foles for a few seasons to learn the finer points of the game.

        • Richard Colton

          he had a bad Senior Bowl. He was a borderline first round pick 6 months ago. sound like someone else? Matt Barkley? Might be some value there. Not getting Andrew Luck in round 7.

          • Token

            And what lesson did we learn about Barkley tho? Because a kid is at some point a first rounder on mock draft sites doesnt make him a good player. Go watch some Boyd cut ups. Hes not worth a pick.

          • Richard Colton

            At all? he didn’t do himself any favors this week, granted, but there’s a reason he was at the Senior Bowl. I’ve never been a Taj Boyd fan; he’s going to be on someone’s roster in August.

      • theycallmerob

        why? clearly, his legs would be the best weapon in the NFL. did you know that running QBs present an additional challenge? I mean, any rookie can come in and throw less than <2 INTs while adding a devastating new component

        • RIP illa

          Not defending or condemning, but just wondering if we’re confusing athletic/mobile QB w/ running/run 1st QB?

          • theycallmerob

            I just ask “where is this guy?”
            The only sure-fire prospect I can remember in the last decade was Luck. That kid is mobile (not run-first), but was lauded for his brains, arm, and presence more than anything else. Incredible, incredible prospect. Rodgers evolved into that, after years on the bench behind one of the greatest ever. Before that? Elway? Young? These are HOF names, not possible prospects in a weak draft who we get in the mid-rounds or because they drop past 21 other teams to us in the 1st
            I want this guy to defend his “they do grow on trees” comment. I absolutely would take Foles right now over almost all other young guys, save for Luck and probably Wilson. That’s it. You can’t take what he did and just say “add legs to the equation = better”. Not how football works at all

          • RIP illa

            Got it.

            EDIT: I pretty much blocked out and stopped thinking about it when I saw the grow on trees comment.

          • MoreRecentTimes

            1st off nobody said sure fire prospects grow on trees or that we need to target such aa prospect. I said we need to grab a guy with the best physical tools(arm strength, and mobility being the key) and DEVELOPE HIM, since we have the luxary of not needing him with FOLES in hand. Mobile athletic qbs are more abundant than ever. And will likely fall into the later rounds b/c they’re not ready to start. Another guy whos not ready to start is Matt Barkley. I dont need to see him get someone concussed because the DB had 3 seconds to attack the wr trying to catch Barkleys floater on the bubble screen! The FA crop stinks. The best option there is Vick. You wanna do that again? So we look to the draft, where dual threat qbs who could slide to the laters rounds are plentiful, Boyd, Stephen Morris, Keith Price, Logan Thomas, James Franklin to name few who will slide to aa position we can feel good about taking a developmental guy.

          • Maggie

            That name, James Franklin, seems to come up from time to time, not only here. Maybe right for development? As long as he’s not thrown to the wolves, like Geno Smith this year.

          • Andy124

            Nah, he’s too old and too busy coaching my beloved PSU.

            My first choices would be a vet or Kinne to be #3. But if the coaches didn’t like what they saw out of Barkley this year and want to draft somebody else to groom as a backup, Franklin (the QB) wouldn’t be my last choice. The cbs prospect rankings have him as a UDFA. I’m guessing that has to do with some injury problems the last two years, some accuracy issues and Blaine Gabbert. Sounds like he’s big enough and has a strong enough arm, so it really depends on what they think of his mental game and his accuracy. His completion percentages were solid, but people caveat that with the “lots of screens” argument. They have his hand size at 9.75″ which is pretty good. Unfortunately, he’s also athletic. ;)

          • Giorgos Kassakos

            I was thinking about Kinne too, but seems a bit risky to have as backups a sophomore with little experience and a guy that hasn’t played a single snap as a pro.

            I think they’ll bring a more experienced guy to sit behind Foles and Barkley.

          • NickS1

            You found a way to blame Blaine Gabbert for Franklin being ranked as a UDFA, and that’s outstanding.

          • pjcostello

            Steve Young wasn’t Steve Young until after he got to learn from Montana. :-)

          • MoreRecentTimes

            Yeah people instantly think Mike Vick when you say mobile. There’s a gang of kids coming out with the ability to escape and be a threat down field and will continue to be more in the coming yrs.

          • RIP illa

            But their arm and decision making have to be on point above all else. That’s very rare in this league I date.

            EDIT: By arm I mean all that goes into it along w/ strength and velocity. Like mechanics and such.

      • Richard Colton

        Jeez…7th round pick. Might as well be a lottery ticket. I wouldn’t mind seeing what Chip can do with Boyd. Or we could always take the next Poyer.

      • Token

        kid sucks

      • Giorgos Kassakos

        Boyd after the 5th looks good to me too! ;)

        • theycallmerob

          short, small hands, inaccurate? I wouldn’t waste a pick. Even as UDFA would take a lot of convincing.

          • Giorgos Kassakos

            Short? Brees and Russel are short, so I don’t agree with that argument.

            Small hands are indeed a problem. Accuracy too, but a coach can help a QB with quick throws and short/intermediate routes.

            I am not a fan of Boyd, but I would be OK if he was our 3rd guy. Just think zone read. Still, I would prefer a more experienced QB as our 3rd guy.

          • RIP illa

            Despite my posts towards the bottom, I would not want us to draft a QB and especially one like Boyd. Earlier in the year I was down w/ using a late round pick on Thomas, but he sucks too. The only way I’d be happy, if we did spend a pick on a QB, is if he’s head and shoulders better than Barkely. And I’m pretty much a Barkley hater so my standards aren’t that high. Yet Boyd still falls short of them w/ his measurables and mechanics.

          • theycallmerob

            Just think zone read
            nope. I won’t. That is not an excuse to bring in a guy who is clearly a running QB, not a mobile QB. Brees and Russell are on another level when it comes to quarterbacking; height is their only flaw. Boyd is lacking in almost all the passer fundamentals. No thanks. I’d rather have Dennis Dixon

          • Giorgos Kassakos

            Excuse? No.

            Another option? Yes.

          • RIP illa

            Yes the short hands thing. Absolutely right. But since I’m being lazy this morn, who are the QB prospects w/ massive hands, besides Manziel?

          • Giorgos Kassakos

            No idea. Maybe Brett Smith?

    • Media Mike

      No thanks on an “athlete”, I’d rather have a thrower.

  • John J. King

    I will pick zero. Chip could make my cat a viable QB. Just joking, Foles is solid, Barclay could be and the can pick up a third anywhere.

  • Richard Colton

    Dennis Dixon, Jeremiah Masoli, Matt Barkley, Mike Vick, Mariotta, Nick FOles…Chip doesn’t have a type, he takes the skills they bring to the table and works with them. Draft wise – based on last year, he’ll look for value. If they have a third round grade on Garapolo or Metzenburger, and one of those guys is there in round four or five – they’ll pull the trigger. I think the fans would be OK with that.

    Here’s where the controversy would be: say (sake of argument) we get DT/NT or WR at #22. Round 2 comes along and there’s a QB like Bortles or Carr that they have a 1st round grade on. OLB Attaochu is sitting there too. Eagles have a 3rd round grade on him. What do you do Howie?

    • Maggie

      Gesundheit!

    • EagleDuck

      Let’s not forget Darron Thomas… Chip won a Rose Bowl with DT despite his 8th grader arm strength and 4.9 speed.

  • addicted2mula

    One question when was the last time we had a QB that played all 16 games? I didn’t want to google it

    • Richard Colton

      five will always love you – 2008

      • addicted2mula

        I knew it was five just didn’t know what year. I want to see it happened again!

  • BrickSquadMonopoly

    DRC is going to retire after season what a loser. Asked what he would do after retirement he said “I’d just chill.”

    • Adam

      Wouldn’t be a huge change from what he did here in Philly.

    • peteike

      I know, I live in Denver and rip all my Bronco friends about him and they defend the guy. I dont want him to win a superbowl but he goes and says that the week before the biggest game of his career. What a loser, never saw a player so self centered in my life except TO. Quit on bad teams every.single.time

  • NickS1

    Reading this thread is like watching a car wreck. Can’t stop reading and I don’t know why. We’re not drafting a QB in Round 1. There has to be a less than 1% chance at this, not even sure why it’s being discussed. I guess this is what’s to be expected in the offseason.

    • RIP illa

      Dude, if anyone takes this thread seriously then they have the problem, not the people posting. Lol. Just a hypothetical thrown out and a discussion on it, for the most part. And yes…chalk it up to offseason boredom!!!

      • NickS1

        I didn’t see the thread until I had my morning coffee and was dumbfounded at some of the posts.

        EDIT: And I take them as seriously as the tone of the posters. Can’t be so in depth and serious as some of these posts and chalk up to hypotheticals only.

        • RIP illa

          Ehh…if there’s no name calling or really heated arguments then I usually don’t take anything on here that serious :-)
          I mean, yeah there can be serious discussions based on hypotheticals, but the fact that it’s a what if scenario, and one that is so unlikely to happen, just makes me not take it seriously.

          As I re-read this morning, it’s more like reading the funny papers!!!

        • RIP illa

          Also I see nothing wrong w/ being in depth on whatever issue or convo. If it’s me then I’m pretty much always in depth and long winded!!! Like to hear others reasons and ideas hashed out to the fullest!!!

          • NickS1

            I’m the same way, I guess it’s just nearly impossible for me to even buy into a conversation of drafting a QB in round 1. To me, doing that, regardless of who drops to #22, sends the wrong signal to our QB. You don’t spend a 1st round pick on a QB to compete for a backup job, so, to me, the whole premise of the hypothetical is just asinine.

    • theycallmerob

      dunno, these guys come out of the woodwork.

    • Andy124

      Well, to be fair he does have the 2nd lowest qb rating of any NFL qb to start a game in Chip’s offense.

    • peteike

      oh man are you right, I just read the oldest first and wow. Its not that I mind hypotheticals but its just funny to me all the back n forth it generates based on pretty much some impossible ideas.

  • macadood

    At first glance I thought that was Akers throwing a pass

  • Kev_H

    I’m relatively certain Vick will be back. I just don’t see a home for him outside of Philadelphia. Even if he isn’t, Barkley will be a fine back up and I don’t think Kelly has any qualms about him. If they think there is a good QB available when they are picking, they will draft him. If not, they won’t and will fill the depth chart as needed through other means.

  • morgan c

    1.

  • Explorer51

    From a January 9 Roob article: Chip Kelly said he’s excited to see how Barkley progresses going into his second season.

    “Matt was awesome,” Kelly said. “I’m excited to get a full offseason with Matt in here
    to really get a chance to work with him because I think he’s got a skill set that’s exciting when you see him, how the ball comes out of his hands, the decisions that he makes, and that’s part of this whole deal.”

    Unless Chip is totally blowing smoke, Barkley looks like the prime contender for QB2.

    And if that’s the case, don’t you think the 2014 offensive strategy will be written around the strengths of Stand-up/Functional Mobility QBs? And the final logical leap, they sign a similar FA QB to compete with Barkley for QB2, with the “loser” being QB3?

    • theycallmerob

      too logical. booooooooooo

      • Explorer51

        Hey, I looked for the Chip Kelly reference about going to the forest where the QB trees are; but I couldn’t find that article so actual quotes and logic had to suffice.

    • JofreyRice

      Interesting quote I found from the Eagles OC on the backup QB:

      “Within that realm, I think he could be — I’m trying to think back –
      the best rookie that I’ve ever had in 15, 16, 17 years or something
      like that…Now, he’s sharp book-wise, but he’s also very intelligent in a football sense. He’s really picked it up very quickly. He’s had just terrific minicamps. He started hot and stayed hot,”

      -Marty Morn-hen-wig on Mike Kafka,

      Barkley reminds me of a Kafka type, with less arm strength, mobility, and a worse track record. But, hey, if Chip really likes what he sees, who am I to argue?

      • Explorer51

        I don’t think it’s fair to compare Marty to Chip but if you want to, go for it. And as far as the Kafka to Barkley comparison, not much to go on in the pros but in college one guy started 19 games, completed 408 passes for 4265 yds and 19 TDs and the other started 47 games, completed 1001 passes for 12,237 yds and 116 TDs. Not sure how one reminds you of the other but, again, go for it.

        • JofreyRice

          wow, you did your homework there. I don’t know enough about Chip to say for sure he never practices coachspeak, but I’ll agree he seems a bit less likely than Moronwig, which is what you’re implying, I think. I was more or less just throwing that out there because it popped into my head.

          I think the arm-strength issue is where I see a lot of similarities with Kafka. And hey, let’s not forget, the NFL itself told you that they saw those guys as similar values, coming out. I’m hoping for the best with Mike Birkeley, but it’s tough to think he’s going to be good with that rag arm hanging off his torso.

  • ia

    Kelly has said it: he wants another QB to push Foles and Barkley if Vick doesn’t stay.
    That should be a veteran then and not another rookie.
    Vick will be gone, because there’s enough teams that will take a chance that have a young QB that needs to learn behind Vick..
    Will be more challenging to Barkley because he can loose his nr.2 spot then.

    • MoreRecentTimes

      Look at the UFAs and tell me what veteran you would want? Slim pickens

  • peteike

    I can see Vick on the Rams if they do finally decide to give up on Bradford (which they should). Im ready for FA guys to start signing, lets get this off season under way ha