Eagles Wake-Up Call: Next Step For the Defense?

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With the 2013 season in the books, Connor Barwin could finally admit it: He had some doubts about this defense after the Eagles got off to a slow start and gave up 52 points to the Broncos in Week 4.

“Maybe a little bit, but I wouldn’t share it with you or anybody,” he said at his locker earlier this week. “Yeah, there were a couple weeks that looked a little… but obviously you really did believe in Billy [Davis]. Billy came in and said the right things, and I was like, ‘Alright man, I trust this guy.’ And he was exactly right. We kept our head down and kept working and gradually got better and better.”


After the Broncos game, the Eagles' defense went on a nice little run, limiting opponents to 21 points or fewer in 11 of 13 games. There were stumbles along the way, and the defense didn't exactly finish strong - getting picked apart in Week 15 against the Vikings and struggling in the second half against New Orleans. But overall, most would agree this unit exceeded expectations.

The key word was improvement. In Weeks 1 through 9, the defense ranked 30th according to Football Outsiders' ratings. But in Weeks 10 through 17, Davis' group ranked 12th. All along, the Eagles' defensive coordinator warned that it would take time to move a 4-3 Wide-9 team to a two-gap 3-4.

"It was just a process," Barwin said. "A lot of guys coming together, a lot of coaches. He just had to figure out how to call the defense and use his personnel."

Expectations were low for the defense in 2013. That won't be the case next season. Of the 11 players who started Saturday's game, 10 are under contract. Only Nate Allen is a free agent. Others, like Patrick Chung, probably won't be back.

At a minimum, the Eagles will likely add pieces to bolster their pass-rush, plus some secondary help. But there will likely be a lot of familiar names in 2014, specifically in the front seven.

"We were a real new group this offseason, a bunch of new faces," Barwin said. "It’ll be great having everybody back. And we need to improve from where we left off.

"I think expectations should be high. We should be better on defense and we’ve got the players to do it."

The scheme could look different too. This wasn't the defense that Davis ran in his previous two stints as a defensive coordinator. He and Chip Kelly seem to be on the same page in preferring a two-gap 3-4. But with some key pieces in the same system for a second year and potentially new personnel that might offer more versatility, Davis should be able to add more wrinkles.

"It allows us to move forward a lot quicker," said DeMeco Ryans. "It’s not that process of re-learning, re-teaching from the beginning. We already have that basis of our defense, everybody has the knowledge of what Coach Davis is trying to do. So I just see our defense really expanding and becoming even better and becoming more multiple in what we’re capable of doing.

"The second half we definitely started to play better, started to play well, how we wanted to play. But we can still improve on that and really, truly become a dominant defense."

WHAT YOU MISSED

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WHAT THEY'RE SAYING

Kelly was surprisingly adaptable in his first season, writes the Daily News' Rich Hofmann:

There are no preconceptions. There are only results. The last 12 months in the life of quarterback Nick Foles provide the clearest example, but it is only one example. The truth is that Kelly surprised us at many turns along the way. We thought we knew him by reputation but found out that we did not know him at all.

Phil Sheridan of ESPN.com weighs in with his biggest surprise:

Easy. Nick Foles. He started six games as a rookie in 2012, winning one of them and pretty much disappearing amid the debris of a 4-12 season. He seemed like a terrible fit for new coach Chip Kelly's offense, especially in contrast to the mobile Michael Vick. When Vick pulled a hamstring, Foles seized the starting job with epic numbers: 119.2 passer rating (third best all time), 27 touchdowns and two interceptions (best ratio ever). Foles won eight of his 10 starts and led the Eagles to the NFC East championship. Anyone who says they saw Foles' season coming is fibbing.

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  • NickS1

    “Others, like Patrick Chung, probably won’t be back.” Smiled ear to ear when I read this. Please, God, let it be true.

    Phil, obviously no one saw THAT season coming, but there were some of us who saw him as the guy who should have been starting since spring camp and knew he had far more potential than what he got credit for after 2012. That said, I wouldn’t change how it all went down.

    Anyone else notice all the articles talking about us as a 4-3 Under team? It’s like no one paid attention to the fact that we 2-gapped a lot and mixed in a fair amount of nickel. Did the nickel get confused for 4-3 Under? It was stated openly and many a time that it was a 3-4 2-gapping system.

    • G_WallyHunter

      Does anyone know the numbers on cutting Chung?
      I’m guessing all his guaranteed money has been given to him? or is there a bit of dead money

      • Will

        Chung got a 3 year 10 million contract ..http://www.eaglescap.com/current.html

        • G_WallyHunter

          3yr 10 million and his guaranteed is spread across 2 seasons? Damn

          • GEAGLE

            Chung will be back for a year…they want want to replace 4 safeties in one offseason

          • Will

            They need too but your right see at least Wolff/Allen coming back not sure about Chung….I would be all for 4-5 new bodies at Safety next year if they could swing it some how…will have to trust Chip now that he has time to focus on personnel and what he does to build an even better team for next year…

          • GEAGLE

            They won’t bring back Allen to cut Chung…Nats contract is the one that expired, thus Chung is the one who is safe..

            We ain’t making moves that aren’t Fiscally responsible, it’s that Howie way

          • NickS1

            Chung is 1mil dead money. He can go and his garbage production can be replaced by a late rounder.

          • GEAGLE

            We aren’t replacing 4 safeties in one offseason, nor would I want to

          • NickS1

            Coleman/Allen/Chung. Keep Anderson for ST. Not that I want to, but I understand the unlikelihood of him seeing time at S being he’s the last man on the board. Allen will get paid by someone else, so of the remaining three, Anderson actually brings something of value to the team.

          • Will

            Keep Colt/Wolff…and ditch the rest and start over. I believe we can do better than Allen/Chung/Coleman…our secondary is Swiss cheese back there with these guys…

        • NickS1

          1mil dead this yr, per eaglescap

      • Adam

        Only 1mil dead money if cut. He’s definitely not untouchable.

      • GreenScabs

        It would be $1 million in dead money, but the Eagles would save $2.5 million against the cap if they cut him. So either you cut him and pay $1 million in dead money, or you keep him and pay him $3.5 million to play terribly. I think it’s a pretty easy decision, save the $2.5 million you would pay him to stay on the team for another year, and use it to help bring in someone better.

  • Will

    Both Foles and the Philly Defense came on strong, can’t wait till next year they should both be even better…I hope Nate Allen, Alex Henry join Chung as the newly departed…I am curious what positions on the Defense get targeted for improvement next season. I would think a bigger, heavier NT, an edge rusher OLB who can cover and 2 Safeties that can hit, tackle and cover….Did Nate Allen do enough to come back? Or is it a numbers game and since Nate’s serviceable he sneaks back…. Even I have to admit Nate looked better in this Defense this year…not outstanding but better mind you compared to last year…

  • Beastmode

    Jay gruden to redskins, if you believe PFT.

    • eagle fan dwn south

      If so that’s a good hire but if he doesn’t hire a good DC it don’t matter

      • anon

        nah i wouldn’t love him as a choice. See Andy Dalton.

    • pjcostello

      NFL is also reporting that a deal is being finalized right now.

  • eagle fan dwn south

    Random Question: Who think if Baltimore let T.Suggs go we should go after him and let T.Cole walk at least we know it would be a upgrade for as pass rusher and if T.Ward is cheaper than Byrd do you go after him first

    • NickS1

      Not opposed, depends on the money. Wouldn’t want anything we couldn’t get out of. Also, think Graham would be the one to go.

      • eagle fan dwn south

        Graham is defiantly gone

        • GEAGLE

          Wouldn’t be so sure

          • Will

            Geagle what do make of T. Suggs can he cover?

          • GEAGLE

            Not really, but screw coverage, that man is a beast…he never been geat in coverage..everyone knows he is coming on 3rd down and he still BEASTS!!!

          • Will

            That much I know the man is huge….gotta be a pain in the arse to block…

          • GEAGLE

            Find a way to get Suggs, draft van Noy, and our Linebacking core would be set, in coverage and rushing the passer

          • anon

            This whole defense would be different with T sizzle. The whole swag would change. Baltimore says if the money doesn’t work they’d let him go, but i think suggs is too important to the team for him to leave.

          • GEAGLE

            Im sorry, but that is one team I wouldn’t put it past to cut a player like Suggs…everyone was like wtf is Ozzie doing last year when he was letting Ellerbe/Kruger walk, and Ozzie just keeps replenishing,,,,that defense is transitioning into the next era of eagles defense, so I can’t see them keep Suggs for more then one more year….I would try to offer them a draft pick for him like we did with Demeco….who else are good players on teams that might need to free up money…

            I know the saints will cut will smith! but I don’t want that dude

          • JofreyRice

            Here’s an off-the-wall name: Demarcus Ware. Scheduled to make 12.5 mil he’ll never see. Has said he’s willing to take a pay cut, but that’s without seeing what Dallas is offering. They are in really bad shape, as always.

            I don’t think he was as effective in a 3 point stance as he was as a rush OLB. If he hits the market, even at 31, and as a former Cowboy, I’d sign him twice. I think his sack numbers are similar to Reggie’s over the same span. He’s a HOFer with a lot of downs and sacks left in the tank.

          • Will

            I hope Bernard Pollard hits the FA market he’d be another nice addition…he played for 2 million on a 1 year deal…he only 29 but he’s a hitter…not the fastest guy but takes great angles…

          • RIP illa

            WHY!!! Come on. I know Chung was supposed to be our “in the box” safety and towards the later part of the season his tackling sucked…but…Chung’s worst offense was his liability in coverage!!! How does Pollard make that better??? We don’t need a bone crushing safety that’s gonna bring on flag after flag!!! We need a safety that can wrap up and tackle but more importantly cover and make plays on the ball!!!

          • NickS1

            As much as I’d love to see the hits, you’re 100% right. No thanks.

          • Will

            okay…was just asking to see what people thought but those hits help slow an offense down WR get alligator arms…

          • Will

            Your right they are making rules to end that part of Defensive football…

          • RIP illa

            Yeah it pisses me off most of the time, but it is what it is.

          • JofreyRice

            but at the same time, doesn’t it seem like they are letting the DBs battle WR’s with the ball in the air more?

            I will tip the cap to the NFL for being consistent. The hard and fast rules of player safety were not bent in order to keep stars on the field in the playoffs, and I think that’s commendable.

          • bentheimmigrant

            Yeah, I think they’ve been letting them play a bit more. Still the occasional phantom call, but I don’t remember too many (outside the ARZ game) that I thought were ticky-tack.

          • JofreyRice

            see, I think Pollard is the real deal as an “enforcer” safety. Chung was always fugazi in that role.

            I know the hit was “illegal” but I can’t forget that knockout Pollard delivered to Stevan Ridley in the AFCCG last year. The Patriots played a different game after that. I’m not endorsing harming other players, but it’s tough for me to utterly vilify Pollard for a hit that would have been celebrated by highlight shows 5 years ago.He was playing strong safety, not trying to harm Ridley. He seems to have cleaned up enough not to get penalized–he only had 4 defensive penalties this year, total.

            Also a much, much better tackler than Chung, in run support.

            I’d still want a centerfield safety, though. Gotta have a guy that can handle the deep middle if they play Cover 3.

          • RIP illa

            Hear ya. If we don’t get Byrd or Ward (not that fond of him but he is the 2nd best S), then I’m still gonna be banging the drum and championing for Chris Clemmons. Really wanted us to get him last year instead of Chung. Was so pissed when I found out we signed Chung…almost irate!!!

          • Tom w

            No concern about van noy after a down senior year against average competition?

          • GEAGLE

            None…I have watched soooo many of his games, and last year he was a Force..I would be concerned about him as an OLB! But that’s not really why I want him. I want him to be Demeco’s eventual replacement

            But would still let him get his pass rush looks at OLB because with him and Barwin on these field, No One has any idea which is rushing and which is dropping into coverage
            ..
            So I would be concerned if we were drafting him to be our IMPACT pass rusher, but if we draft him, and get a PASS RUSHING OLB, our LB core would be set…
            ….
            Barwin,Kendrick!Meco!Van Noy can grow into as good a group of LBs in coverage that you can find in the NFL…

            Never forget trying so hard to watch film on Ziggy Ansah but not being able to because Van Noy was always making plays all over the place….I just see a Vrabel/Barwin blend in him if the right defensive coaches get him

          • Richard Colton

            Saw Van Noy erased by Zac Martin of Notre Dame. It worries me what he’ll do against the big boys. Hate him at 22, love him in the second.

          • GEAGLE

            22 may be a little high…a few of the teams at the top of the draft that need a QB will try to get one at the beginning of round two, so if a team picking in the top 5 of round two wants to trade back into round 1 because they didn’t draft A QB earlier, I would love to trade out of round one, back to the first 5 picks in the second round, get an extra pick and just take van Noy or Joyner, whichever is still on the board…
            ..
            ALso wouldn’t mind taking him around 29, if we could trade back.
            ….
            BTW, the falcons will trade with the Rams so they can land clowney

          • Will

            Any chance Barr or Mack drop to #22…? If so would think they pull the trigger on either one…know you like Van Noy…

          • Richard Colton

            Five QBs could go in the first 20 picks, and four WRs. Could be looking at 4 OTs too. So if you do the math and factor in a little wishful thinking…

            No.

          • Will

            too many 3-4 D’s out there but yes wishful thinking…lol…

          • Richard Colton

            Barr could be a top 3 pick. But every year there’s a guy or two that the “draft community” has pegged to go high that unexplainably slips. Maybe the small school thing will scare a few GMs and Mack slips to 22. Can’t tell me that stranger things haven’t happened.

          • JofreyRice

            I’m seeing Barr mentioned more and more in the 8-11 range, because of the run on QBs and the Auburn Tackle coming out.

          • GEAGLE

            No chance either falls that far

          • RIP illa

            THat would be an interesting trade for ATL. I just hate seeing Barr mocked to them from day 1 till now in mocks. It’s seriously a stupid assumption. That team needs D-line help and more specifically DE. Although Barr is BPA, he’s still just a OLB. And you don’t spend that high of a pick on an OLB w/o having a DE in front of him. So that would make sense.

          • GEAGLE

            They also need OT help in a bad way, and OT is the new sexy pick at the top of the draft…this year is a good crop. Right now everyone is assumining jake Mathews will be the only OT in the top 10 but that could change as the process unfolds..for example, a good combine and bowl for Lewan and he is sexy again. The kid from Auburn,FSU..

          • Richard Colton

            Lewan’s been dropping to 20′s. He’s a possibility for the Eagles at this point.

          • RIP illa

            I get the impression that Van Noy is more of a Joker than pure elite ceiling pass rusher?

          • GEAGLE

            Yeah, very Barwin-ish…plays with his hair on fire

          • eagle fan dwn south

            Is Van Noy from Stanford or is that Murphy because I like the outside rusher

          • RIP illa

            Murphy’s from Stanford and is more of a DE than OLB.

          • eagle fan dwn south

            I think so but I think he would be NYG and I’m not going to like that

          • GEAGLE

            My gut says he is back for his last season under contract

          • eagle fan dwn south

            You got to trade him for a least 5th rounder he’s not in our long term plans

          • GEAGLE

            I’m not opposed to it, I would love to get value for him, but who gives up draft picks to a guy making 1st end money, who is no longer under contract after next year?

          • RIP illa

            Agree. Only if we could get something in return for him (not meaning later than a 5th) and his play this year has not warranted that kind of compensation.

    • NickS1

      Think Baltimore is trying to work on keeping him, anyway. They want him to retire a raven if possible.

      • GEAGLE

        I’d call them up and offer them a 5th, see what they say

        • NickS1

          Yeah, but in the trade you still have to have him agree to rework this year’s salary. Def not paying him 12mil. Gotta have him agree to a 3-4yr deal we can get out of in 2.

          • GEAGLE

            Whoa….didn’t know he was THAT expensive…we can forget about him lol

          • NickS1

            Think it’d actually be closer to 7.5, prorated bonus isn’t included in the trade. His cap figure for the Ravens is 12ish, which is why they want to give an extension, guarantee the base and spread it out to lower his cap hit. That doesn’t work, they eat his 4mil in dead and move on via trade or release. We wouldn’t see the 12. My mistake.

    • Will

      March 8th to see who’s in FA …T.J.Ward could get slapped with the franchise tag by Banner…I like T. Suggs but how is he in coverage? Suggs Would definitely bring the wood…

      • eagle fan dwn south

        He coverage is better than Cole and 2 years younger but he knows how to rush at OLB and DE

        • Will

          Cool…thanks…

        • RIP illa

          He can also disappear for stretches like Cole.

    • Will

      Cole I think would be 4.8 million dead $ if we cut him….

      • eagle fan dwn south

        Well that’s not good and that about mean if we don’t trade him we not letting him go Damn want a tru OLB

        • Will

          We all do…I think that will be the #1 priority this off season so Cole will have some serious completion from FA,Trade or Draft…The Eagles desperately need a formidable pass rushing OLB…someone getting 12-16 sacks…T. Suggs got 10 sacks this year…Trent Cole got 8 sacks ….that last game against NO really showed the lack of pass rush we have to get better there…

          • anon

            cole wasnt that bad, slow start but he was only 4 sacks from a good sack season and he was one of the best olbs against the run

        • GEAGLE

          Even if we trade him we would have t eat his dead money

    • RIP illa

      I say no. Cole’s dead money and the fact we still need to get younger at the position.

    • JofreyRice

      Jeez, I dunno. Essentially exactly the same age as Cole–they were born 6 days apart. In his prime, he was on another level than Cole, but now? I dunno. Seems to have lost some first-step explosion. Could be a lingering effect of the injury, but more likely, he’s just not as explosive as he was early in his career. Still a clutch player, but it would be hard for me to justify letting one edge rusher turning 32 in 2014 for another.

      • cliff henny

        see both sides. mathis went nuts at 32. my initial reaction was not only yes, but hells yeah. think i’d still be for it, but the chances are so slim because a, eagles arent signing these guys. howie and chip are pretty honest, it’s going to be 26-27yr old mid level vets with still some upside guys. and, doubt suggs would like the contract howie slides across the table, anyways.

  • Tom w

    Id be thrilled if the birds drafted the 6 3 240 pound senior olb/de out of Georgia tech the Nigerian nightmare Jeremiah attuicchi(sp). Something like 28 career sacks .. Double digits last two years. Strength is getting to the qb standing up or down and athletic enough to drop into his zone quickly. Needs to improve against run and can’t set edge yet. Could’ve came out last year but wanted to get his degree.

    Most importantly he offers scheme versatility in that he played and dominated as as 3 4 olb and a 4 3 d end when his def scheme and coach switched his senior stay.

    Seen him play 6 games last two years and absolutely dominated Georgia and Clemson this yr… He was basically unblock able by one guy and beat double teams. Same build as Barr and Mack but scouts have him w a 2/3 rd grade. I think that’s insane and after the combine and his interviews he will jump into the first round bc his is a smart god fearing kid.

    Watched a bunch of interviews he did yesterday and the guy spoke of mentoring younger players, improving every day, and working w his coaches. Nothing alarming on his twitter just really faith based kid.

    I’m putting my money on this kid for the birds .. Takes care of your biggest need, scheme versatility, good to excellent hws, and outstanding young man. Should interview real well and we know that’s important. If we could get him in second all the better, but I’d take him in the first if he Runs well.

    • Will

      Great input Tom…240 is light …I would think he’d have to bulk up for the NFL…

      • Tom w

        Same weight as the two elite olb prospects in the draft. Not a concern

        • Will

          Gotcha…

    • evanphilly

      The only Nigerian Nightmare in my book is Christian Okoye. Anyone remember using him in Super Tecmo Bowl? #BEASTMODE

      • GEAGLE

        Tamba Hali….Tim biakabatuka

      • Will

        yup…I think he drowned trying to save someone I think…The Biggest Beast of a RB ever like Earl Campbell….260 lbs with tailback speed who would just run over people…man could that guy lower his pads…

        • evanphilly

          Nope, he is still up and running

        • RIP illa

          2 names…Steve and Atwater!!! Lol!!! That was a run stuf for the ages!!!

    • GEAGLE

      If we can get him in the third I would be bout it bout it…

      • Tom w

        Nah could care less if we get him in rd 1 or 2. Already seen him mocked to us in rd 1. Wrs are 10-12 deep and the beast from Clemson should be availabke in the 3d round if you are adamant about 2 wrs which I am not

        • GEAGLE

          I’m not adamant about two, but I do need one! Just too much potential in this deep WR class to not take advantage of it and get younger at the positon….

          Combine will be fascinating for WRs this year…many years we drool over college WRs and get to the combine only to find out they don’t run as fast as we thought…

          I like the kid from Gtec, just started watching his film last week, bu I have a feeling we can do better in round 1…too many pass rushers for me to expect him to be drafted in round 1…then again,in could see his stock shoot thru the roof in the next few months, so I reserve the right to change my mind and revisit this after the draft process
          ..
          Everyone is starting to Mock Kony Ealy to the cowboys, that would piss me off

          • Richard Colton

            Kony’s more of a 4-3 isn’t he? Scary athletic, I agree. But do you see him at OLB or DE?

          • GEAGLE

            DE for sure…waiting for his 3cone drill to see about OLB…I just do to feel like having to block him twice a year for the next 7 years…hope the titans take him

          • RIP illa

            If the cowboys get Ealy, Hageman, or Nix it’s going to make the future a living hell for us!!! Hopefully Jerrah realizes he still needs to vastly improve his OL…still, and they go in that direction or DB.

          • Richard Colton

            Jerrah took a 4th round Center with his first pick last year, then clapped himself on the back saying what a good job he did. No 1st for the Redskins, Jerry is making the picks in Dallas. I’m feeling OK.

          • RIP illa

            I still love how people try to justify that pick, just cuz the kid is good!!! Still could have been had later in the draft, so instead of getting 2 or maybe even 3 good prospects/players in the 1st 3 rds…they got one!!! Classic.

          • GEAGLE

            Yup….smh

          • NickS1

            Long live Jerrah!

          • Richard Colton

            I’ll take my 6th round Viking/Center hybrid six days a week and twice on Sundays over that guy.

          • GEAGLE

            Hoping he goes with Clinton Dix…he wouldn’t make it to us anyway, let them have a DB, their secondary would Still suck, until they under go an abortion to get rid of that Tomato can Claiborne

          • RIP illa

            That would be cool. We’re almost there…meaning our rebuild and D building is coming along way quicker than expected…don’t want Jerry getting smart now!!!

          • anon

            I’d take Claiborne (cheap), think it’s a matter of coaching.

          • RIP illa

            Agreed. I don’t just like dismissing players based off of what they’re doing or not doing on another team w/ different coaches. Unless that play is named Casey Matthews!!!

          • RIP illa

            As you said he’s scary athletic…so yes he has the ability to be an stand up pass rusher and has the bend. He’s also listed as being over weight for the position, and that’s a great thing!!! Easier to lose 10 or so lbs and retain his strength than trying to bulk up (the right way) and gain strength.

    • Richard Colton

      I like him too Tom. GEagle’s right about his draft position, for what it’s worth. Most of the early mocks have him in the 3rd. But he’s a great candidate to rise post combine/Senior Bowl. I think there’s some OLB talent to be had in rounds two or three if we go offense round one. Van Noy and Michael Sam are two of them.

      • GEAGLE

        Morgan Breslin too

        • RIP illa

          He’s undersized for being undersized. Can he play MLB?

          • GEAGLE

            Nope…Van Noy is an OLB who can slide in to takeover for Meco in a few years

    • JofreyRice

      I’ve seen a couple mock drafts now where Barr has dropped just out of the top 10. The Tackle/Quarterbacks will rise, I suppose.

      I haven’t watched the Attachou kid, but if Barr was available at picks 9-11, I’d absolutely co-sign a tradeup for him. The “Next Step for the Defense” is an edge rusher that requires double teams, or chipping from backs or TEs. I think Barr is that guy. I think it goes a little underreported that Barr is only 2 years removed from playing running back.

      • RIP illa

        I want the best, but I’m really not feeling the trade up when we have so many other spots that we have to address. If the price is cheap enough…then I’m with it. But I really think we need our 1st 3 picks and need to nail them.

        • JofreyRice

          Even after this season, you think we have a ton of needs? I’ve got to say that the performance exceeded my expectations, and I think there is talent on D. If we’re talking S, I think I officially prefer a mid-career free agent to a rookie. That position requires a feel for the game that’s really tough for rookies to step into.

          • Will

            Agree…OLB and 2 mid to high proven guys to help groom Wolff and another draft pick this year…This D is way further along then I’d had hoped…guess from what I’m hearing Logan gonna beef up might still need a NT for back up…

          • GEAGLE

            Depends what we do in FA…..

            For example, if we get Byrd or Ward, then I’d strongly consider trading up for Barr/Mack…if we don’t sign a top notch safety, we would be spending our second rounder on a safety anyway….

            So we would be adding Barr and Byrd to our defense! and if we give up our 2nd and one of our 5ths, and maybe a 3rd or 4th next year…we would still have:
            This years 3rd rounder which in THIS draft will get you talent at WR
            This years 4th and a 5th which get you another WR, or a CB and OG…
            ….
            So we will be adding, for example:
            Byrd
            Barr
            Moncrief
            And fill two out of these 3: CB,Another WR or OG/t

          • JofreyRice

            To me, like everything, it’s all about the player. We lament trading up for Brandon Graham, because his on-field contribution hasn’t been to the standard of a 1st round pick, but had we traded up for Earl Thomas, I doubt anyone would care what it cost to get him.

            I really, really like Barr. That first step is uranium-235. He also has a natural feel for leverage and bend around the edge, gets absolutely tiny, when he has to. Still looks like a running back. I doubt he’s really 6’4; wonder if measuring in a little shorter will affect his stock. It shouldn’t. He’s extremely violent with his hands and generates a lot of power from speed.

            We’re in agreement that Byrd should be target #1. Obviously, whatever pieces they can add in FA will affect the draft strategy. If they go into the draft still needing an edge rusher and safeties, then it will be tough to trade away picks for a high-draft value guy like Barr.

          • GEAGLE

            Agreement…it’s simple for me, Barr will be an explosive pass rusher we can count on, while probably being the closest athlete we can find to do some of there things Dion does in coverage. No BRAINER for me if Safety is taken care of in FA, and it’s easier to do since you can wait til the third to get a talented WR in this draft.
            ..
            You will two MAJOR defensive holes with real Quality like Byrd and Barr, and this defense will take off

          • GEAGLE

            Especially if we can spread out the compensation we give up between the next two drafts…because if we do what we are supposed to do this offseason, next years draft picks should be close to the end of each round

          • RIP illa

            I don’t trust you after your Dion Jordan debacle…lol…Jk! No I wanted Dion too. But wasn’t looking at him as an elite pass rusher.

          • GEAGLE

            Dude, don’t be fooled…Dion Will be GREAT! Everyone who drafted him knew he needed time..
            ..
            Rookie production is nice, but NOT how draft picks are judged. if Fisher and Joekel played well. Lane still would turn out to be the better pick in 4 years..
            ..,
            We will see the same thing next year. Khalil Mack will be an NFL ready beast, and Anothony Barr will need to come along slowly and put on weight. but in 3-4 years when picks are really judged Barr and Dion will be great picks!
            ..
            GMs know when they are drafting someone that needs a year to put on weight. I doubt anyone in Miamis front office looks as Dion as a bust, because they knew he needed a year when they traded up to get him

          • RIP illa

            Agreed

          • anon

            I don’t think the fins felt that way. Especially since that whole staff was all in for this year. As you see their GM didn’t make it — might have something to do with the fact that they spent a top 5 pick on someone that didn’t contribute at all on defense.

          • RIP illa

            If he saw DJ as anything but a long term investment, then he deserved to be fired…and for his numerous other screw ups!!!

          • JofreyRice

            Gotta agree. He might end up being good, but it’s hard to imagine the Phins felt the pick was a homerun, and then fired the GM that made the deal to go get him. Say we get Barr and he contributes 2 sacks on spot duty, all year. How would we feel about it? Rookies get some time to develop, but when you’re picking that high, there is some expectation for contribution right away. The high “ceiling” is also expected to have a reasonably decent “floor”.

          • Adam

            What do you think of Tuitt out of ND?

          • RIP illa

            A DE who would probably be better at 1 gapping than 2. Fletch Cox comparisons for me, probably a bit stronger and a bit slower. Like his his height and size, but not for us or this system. Doesn’t get me all hot and bothered.

          • JofreyRice

            I haven’t seen enough of him to have a really strong opinion. I’m going to check out some youtube cutups. Do you like him? He’s another DE/DT type, right? Wouldn’t Nix be a better fit, if they’re looking for a NT, type, or are you just adding pieces to that DL rotation?

          • Adam

            It all depends on who you ask. At 6’5 310 some have him projected as a 4-3 DE, some say 5 tech 3-4 DE, some say slim down and play 3-4 OLB. I like him as a pass rusher you can move around at 3-4 OLB/DE kinda like we used Cole as this year where sometimes he was off tackle or sometimes he was right in his face.

          • GEAGLE

            I don’t view him as that type who can slim down at all

          • JofreyRice

            wow, I’ll have to watch some of that video. That’s quite a spread of positions/responsibilities–reminds me of how they spoke about Fletcher Cox– he must be more athletic than I’ve seen.

          • GEAGLE

            IMO,he is more Logan then Cox…Hagemen is more,Cox then Tuitt

          • RIP illa

            If any team used him as anything other than a 4-3 DT or 3-4 DE, then their just wasting a pick. OLB or DE is asking way too much.

          • GEAGLE

            He is a 3-4DE so what would be the point? You won’t start him over Ced or Cox.

          • Adam

            I feel he’s a movable piece depending on what you ask him to do with his weight.

          • GEAGLE

            He is Benny Logan…I’d rather have Hagemen than tuit…but if we draft guys like that everyone will still complain we don’t have 340lbs of man beef!

          • Adam

            He’s 3rd on ND’s all time sack list. He had more sacks this year the Logan had his entire career. He can rush the passer.

          • GEAGLE

            Just not expecting him to have the combine numbers cox had, but I could be wrong..he also played next to Nix…

            Can’t wait til the damn draft process unfolds and we can see guys combine numbers….I just don’t know that I can envision him chasing down Fast QBs when they get out of the pocket the way Cox does…it’s a very rare ability for a man his size…Cox woulda just finished his senior year in college lol, he would be the top pick of this draft lol

          • anon

            What’s to say we don’t go offense with our top picks again, i don’t think you can make that assumption

          • GEAGLE

            I don’t rule out WR…but I could also see us look at the depth of this WR class, and figure that they can wait til round 3 to get comperable talent at WR..but I wouldn’t be shocked if I hear a WR called

          • JofreyRice

            That’s very true. They’ve publicly said that they want to be skewed as an offensive football team. But which positions? I don’t think they’re taking QB, RB or (I hope) G in the first. Seems unlikely they’d take tackle, and pay Peters 10 mil, and switch him to G, and even though I’m not sure Peters is what he was, he’s still a good left tackle, you’d be letting walk to replace with a rookie, or second year player (in L. Johnson).

            WR? Evans, Robinson, Benjamin? Any of the big receivers would be OK with me, but I like Evans and Robinson better than Benjamin, because of hands.

            T? Kouandjio from Alabama looks like an excellent body type for Kelly’s O-Line, and Stoutland is very familiar with him,

            TE? Eric Ebron, Jace Amaro? With the public love affair with Celek, Ertz’ presence, and the limited use of two TE sets this year, I don’t see the value in the first, even though both these guys are crazy dynamic receivers.

            Don’t want another guard in the first. I just don’t think the value is there most years. I didn’t like taking a RT in the top 5, I sure as hell don’t want a guard. Larry Warford was a mauler this year, and I think he was a 3rd round pick. Maybe a guard in the second, but I dunno.

          • Adam

            Yeah I think the only way we go offense in the first round is at WR. I know they’re all about BPA but they need to consider value as well.

          • Richard Colton

            WR or OT, with G or TE a very small possibility. Chris Burke just did his 4th Mock Draft and had the Eagles going CB with WR Robinson, OT Kouandjio, and Hegeman AND Kony all still on the board.

          • Nick D

            Free agency doesn’t start till after the draft so we wouldn’t know if we’d get a safety

          • Richard Colton

            I know Adam will disagree – I’m comfortable that we have 10 out of 12 starters on D for next year. Cox/Logan/Thornton, Berwin/???, Kendricks/Meco, Wolf/???/Fletcher/Williams, Boykin at nickel.

            And you know what? I’m not 100% sure I COULDN”T live with another year with Cole & Graham at OLB and a stopgap at Safety if it meant we got significant depth at other positions and some offensive upgrades.

          • Adam

            WHAT?! YOU DISAGREE WITH MY OPINION?!!!!!

            I don’t like Logan at NT, even if he bulks up. I just don’t feel that’s best use of resources. Would be be bad? No, but I think he could be a BETTER end, and he could come off the bench for any spot on the d-line. I’d go FA route to fill the NT need but it’s pretty slim, so maybe it has to be Logan next year.

            Meco’s replacement needs to be found and began to be groomed either this off-season or next. Same with a replacement for Cary if they choose to keep Boykin in the slot. Also after the 2014 season, Berwin’s cap numbers start getting high considering what he lacks in pass rushing, so we need someone behind him soon enough.

            That’s not including the need to upgrade #2 WR IMO.

            I just don’t wanna give up top picks, I want to hoard them. Fill this roster with Chip Kelly guys, rather than selling the farm to get the cow.

          • Richard Colton

            YOU DON”T LIKE IT? TAKE IT UP WITH MY WINE GLASS.

            I know you’re not sold on Wolff as a starter. I just like him a lot from what I’ve seen. Let me ask you this – is there a position (offense or defense) where you’ll scream bloody murder if it’s not upgraded with a premium free agent or premium draft pick?

          • Adam

            Safety without a doubt. I’d be real disappointed if we didn’t get a WR considering how deep this class is.

            I’m not saying Wolff isn’t a starting caliber safety. He showed that he could be the guy. But I think he needs to win the spot and there needs to be someone behind him pushing him. Basically what I’m saying is I don’t think we should go into TC assuming Wolff is the guy.

          • GEAGLE

            Earl Wolff is personally endorsed by resident BAD ASS Cary Williams….Earl will be an NFL. Starter,..he really started to fly around before he got hurt…dude handled himself in goal line situations against some great veterans like Gates….not a liability in the run game. Good instincts against screens…Wolff is legit..I think we expect him to be our starter

          • anon

            injury risk?

          • Adam

            Cary’s endorsement was just as much for getting Chung off the field as it was for Wolff back on

          • JofreyRice

            Yeah, NT is another position where you might get a better player in FA, because he needs that grown man strength. It’s very likely Logan will add some more functional strength, but I thought all the 5 yard QB sneaks–and New Orleans lack of hesitation to call them every time they needed less than 3 yards to convert–told us what to think of Logan as a pure 3-4 Nose. I really like him flowing down the line, laterally, against the run. Head up on the center…not so much.

            I’d definitely prioritize adding a dynamic passrusher over depth at ILB or CB, though. I guess a lot of that is just based on my personal opinion of Barr.

          • anon

            Yeah we need a Meco replacement but i don’t think he’s that close to being over the hill. Barwin is great in coverage obviously has the PBUs, and is great at setting the edge. I’m fine with more pass rush, but not at the expense of run D.

            That said i can agree with the statement that we need more depth at MOST positions. We don’t have a backup CB, S, NT, LOLB, etc.

            We do have a lot of D line.

          • RIP illa

            How do you see us as having a lot of D-Line? We currently have 3 DEs starting on the D-Line. And yes I said that correctly. So we don’t know if Logan can get his strength up to par while putting on weight next year and be able to anchor while still being able to rush the passer. We don’t know how well or not Kruger will do (tho I do have unexplainable optimism). We don’t know if Curry will be anything more than a situational pass rusher (which I love him as). And then we have Square and Geathers, who both suck.

          • anon

            I don’t think square and geathers suck. i think they are ok backups.

          • Richard Colton

            I agree with Illadelph on this one. Both those guys overachieved in camp, then showed us who they were by the end of the season. my enduring memory of square will be getting jacked-up in the Dallas game. good news is – I like four of our down lineman.

          • RIP illa

            Lol (not meant to be disrespectful). The. What do they do? Feathers hasn’t really flashed since preseason, and square has nothing to his game, other than being a body on the field. And that’s not even based off him getting trucked like a biotch by Murray…SMH.

          • anon

            haha i forgot about that (how could i); yeah he should get cut just for that honestly.

          • JofreyRice

            Yeah, me too, and I’m not even Cary Williams biggest fan. I just don’t think a passrusher’s value can be undersold; affects everything.

            Trent Cole’s big games this year came at the expense of the NFL’s version of the Brooklyn Brawler playing T for the opponent–like in the Arizona game–or when they just tried to block him with a running back, like in the Chicago game. It’s actually pretty amazing that the defense was as good as it was without that consistent ROLB pressure.

          • RIP illa

            Yup. That guy would have to be a one man gang for me to want to trade up this year. I really really really like Barr, but like Adam (smh) I want us to “hoard” picks or rather be real stinggy with them.

            The D is a little better than expected for me, but not too far off where I think that we shouldn’t use a decent amount of picks or at least 1/2 our picks. Unlike RC I don’t just take comfort in the fact that we have starters (10 outta 12). I would like a playmaker at each level and we don’t have that right now and I’m also looking ahead to the future while keeping depth key for me!!! Plus really our ROLB isn’t covering that much and we really need to find a pass rusher. So although Barr does so many things well and has a high ceiling…there are still guys who will be drafted after him, that can exceed at just rushing the passer. I don’t see the need to trade up.

      • Richard Colton

        OK – sake of the argument. With the 9th pick, Buffalo selects hometown hero Kalil Mack. Barr is still on the board. Detroit will trade #10 for #22 plus this year’s 2nd AND next year’s 2nd. You make that trade?

        • Andy124

          The #10 would be 1300 points and our 1st + 2nd + 3rd round picks come out to exactly 1300. I don’t want to trade 1st + 2nd + 3rd. I’m given to undersand that a 3rd this year is equivalent to a 2nd next year, so your scenario seems to line up just right. Seems pretty steep.

          I’d swap out the 3rd for Graham who I think would fit well over there, but I’m not sure they’d value Graham as equivalent to a 3rd.

          That’s a toughie.

          • Richard Colton

            Can’t sit on the fence GM Andy. Detroit just said (and I quote) “Graham?!!? You want us to take Danny Watkins too?”

            You pulling the trigger?

          • Andy124

            Sure, I’d send them Graham and Watkins! :)

            But put on the spot, I say no to a 1st and 2 2nds to move up. Too steep.

          • GEAGLE

            Didn’t dolphins only give up a 2nd to move up to get Dion? Or am I mistaken?

          • Andy124

            Not sure. Obviously, those points are just a loose guide. Teams could very easily settle for less than that, or demand much more. Not unreasonable at all to think we could move there with just our 1st and 2nd.

        • Adam

          If Barr was the final piece of the puzzle, then I’d consider it. But we could fill a lot of wholes/depth needs with all those picks.

          • GEAGLE

            I dunno Mate..”we are talking about filling the most important position of a 3-4 with the next Von Miller for 8years!

          • Adam

            I’d still hold on to my 2 seconds. That’s 2 starting caliber players that we desperately need basically anywhere on the team minus a few spots. Especially considering needs more Chip guys.

        • GEAGLE

          I’d do it if we give up our 3rd, the second 5th from the Pats, and next years 3rd…maybe you can twist my arm for next years second since I expect to be GREAT thus that pick being a late second rounder

          • Tom W

            Thats the deal I would go for too.

        • JofreyRice

          I’m not really that good at that value stuff, but that seems like a lot in return.

          On the other hand, it seems like the arbitrary “rules” for the trade stuff are broken every year, so I’d just go with my gut. My gut says, the defense is better than I thought it was, but still has a couple of big issues that will hurt us if we face playoff-caliber teams. I’d like to get a S, but the most pressing issue is the edge pass rush. Barwin’s not that guy, and it seems they understand that. He’s the drop linebacker. I think Barr can be really good, based on his athletic ability, production and relative inexperience at the position. So, yeah. I’d do it.

      • NickS1

        The mocks are all over the place. There’s so many differing opinions right now between rounds 1-3. Even guys in the top 10 in some mocks are 15 or lower in others. Crap shoot at this point. Need more info.

        • cliff henny

          so true. by time mocks get done, 100 guys will be listed as 1st rd talent. make kelly’s and howie’s presser all that more annoying when first 4 picks are all 1st rd talent and the 5′s and 7th are top 100 guys…and then we see them play.

          • NickS1

            It’s just easier to discuss free agent/possible free agents at this point. Let’s at least let the Sr. Bowl and the combine happen and that way we have a little consensus at the top. Even at that point, they’re mostly wrong, but we have as much info as possible at that point and can discuss a little more intelligently. We all have our covets -coughkelvinbenjamincough- but the likelihood we hit at this point is comparable to hitting the state lotto. That said, I was slightly depressed when I read Walter Football’s mock and they had him going to the Ravens.

          • cliff henny

            you’ll get over KB when Landry or Beckham are running around in midnight green.

          • NickS1

            I don’t know man. I hope so, but if he’s killing it that may be difficult.

          • cliff henny

            i hear ya. just seeing him in the huddle monday night got my mind wandering. still, i’m taking evans over kb, just because of his RAC ability on wr screnes.

          • RIP illa

            If we had the luxury of using a rd 1 pick on a guy whose sole game is catching TDs in the redzone then I would be all for Benjamin. Yet he shows me very litte in actually being the guy we need to help us in between the 20s. Route running is suspect, doesn’t get seperation consistently (which I wouldn’t mind if he still made catches, but would never use a 1st for that type of player) and hands seem to be not as good as some of the others. Plus lack of speed to get down field. It’s like have Calvin Johnson w/o all the benefits of having Calvin Johnson.

          • Richard Colton

            Could say the same thing about Mike Evans. Doesn’t run great routes – but you’d love to have that physicality.

          • cliff henny

            yeah, he’s tough to get a feel for cause he just so much more physically gifted than other guys in college. i’m all for physical domination, but needs a 2nd trick to, like evans, physical freak, but has crazy RAC (another guy not sure about route running, just didnt have to). why i love both landry and beckham, both can beat you technically and also phyically.

          • RIP illa

            Yup.

          • NickS1

            Saw a mock with Evans all the way at 27, think walterfootball.

          • cliff henny

            how did WF get so popular, think he’s horrible. he must have been an original draft blogger and just popular because of firstsies? if evans is there at 22, i will be going nuts! he is perfect for kelly. play that was missing in offense was wr screnes. bring that safety into box, toss it out to evans with cooper and ertz blocking, evans will truck a corner all day every day. and you still get the physical freaks redzone guy. his hands are awesome. long as he run 4.6 or under, i see him as cant miss in this offense

          • NickS1

            I just did a google search for mocks. Never really got into them, struggling to now, but the lack of eagles football is killing me now more than ever before. Trying to force myself since I don’t follow college really.

          • cliff henny

            yeah, these next 3 or 4 months could be an issue. usually had phillies to look forward too, especially recently. sixers, but till the pingpong balls start bouncing around, not much there. fun team, feel bad that i’m rooting for them to lose. even moreso after watching wiggins embiid and seldon last night.

          • RIP illa

            I have no F’n clue and I’ve been reading his mocks for a while. I don’t even bother w/ his scouting reports. Just see a name and look them up for myself. This year has been really really horrible on that site for the Eagles, he’s basically kept the same concept for us since week one and occasionally switched names around. And live Mocks??? Why??? Who the hell cares if they’re live or not???

        • RIP illa

          That’s why I just use them for names of players who I have not really considered. For the most part just read scouting reports, watch breakdowns and highlights, and wait for the combine and Mayock!!!

          • NickS1

            Mayock. Ha. Guy never saw a pick he didn’t like!

          • RIP illa

            You gotta pay attention more!!! He doesn’t like ripping kids apart and tearing them down. He doesn’t want to be the guy who stands in the way of their dreams!!! The man does know his stuff and breaks down every prospect to a Tee!!! You just gotta get acclimated and filmiarize yourself w/ how and the way he talks, when talking about a prospect, and then it’s quite easy to tell who. He likes and who he doesn’t and what he really thinks about them. Not a lot of people, even some NFL FO scouts, scout better than Mayock!!!

          • NickS1

            He’s okay. He can break things down well but I just can’t take the praise every pick approach. Think he’s a little over-rated.

          • JofreyRice

            Agreed. I remember last year, NFL Network was playing a promo with him touting Russell Wilson, but purposefully left out the part where he called him a “change of pace QB”.

            He has some good insights, but I don’t understand why his evaluations are considered sacred.

          • bentheimmigrant

            I think the main thing is that he communicates well and explains what he sees and why. It might not always be right (who is?), but at least it seems based in football fundamentals. Plus, he’s gonna bang the table for those picks! And who doesn’t like some thinly veiled violent tendencies?

          • JofreyRice

            haha. Yeah, I don’t think he’s garbage, just a bit overrated. Also cool to hear the Philly accent on the national stage. Was laughing every time he called Eric Berry “Bury” during the Colts/KC game.

        • JofreyRice

          I like Josh Norris, from Rotoworld. He’s got Barr at 9.
          Dane Brugler, from CBS Sports has him at 11.
          Rob Rang has him at 8.
          Lance Zeirlein, of the Sideline View has him as the 8th best player, overall.

          Those are just the guys I check up on. I was surprised to see that he had fallen. Agree with you that it will be volatile.

          • Richard Colton

            Nothing to do with Barr, just the QBs. When you have BridgeH2O and Blake Bortles both in the top 3, and Johnny Football in the top 5, it’s going to push some serious talent to the middle of the pack.

          • RIP illa

            Help me out RC. Maybe I missed something but where does the wine glass thing come from? Serious question and not making sense to me. And even more seriously…how the hell did you make it able to type???

          • Richard Colton

            I know. Impressive, isn’t it?

            I honestly have no idea. Maybe he/she will reveal his/her true identity soon.

          • RIP illa

            SMH

      • GEAGLE

        I do expect Barr or Mack to fall to 11, and either would be worth moving up 10 spots for…after all, it only cost Dolphins a 2nd rounder to move all the way up to #3 for Dion..
        ..
        Mack is more NFL ready, Barr has more potential to be versatile. EITHER solves our problem in a BiG Time way!

      • Tom W

        I am on record as saying I would definitely trade up for Barr or Mack if they fall to 11 to the Titans.

        There is a difference level in the talent in the top 15 of the draft and the rest of the draft … those are elite players typically w multiple pro bowl potential at a much higher probability than someone at 22 or 28 or 32.

        Probably costs us our 1st, 3d and 5th this year and 2d next year OR 1 and 2d this year and 4th next year.

    • RIP illa

      I just wonder why he’s such a headcase on the field. Not down on him and would def be interested in him, as a late day 2 pick. But I just think there’s better out there to be had in rds 1-2. Like him a hell of a lot better than Jeffcoat!!!

    • cliff henny

      Atta (given up on spelling his name) on csbsports.com draft section has been hanging right at that 3rd rd talent ever since clemson game (yeah, he was 1 man wrecking crew). i like the site bcause they list underclassman from the start, and b, arent prisoneers of the last game.

  • GEAGLE

    Kruger has gained 16LBs and will be up to 290lbs for the start of OTA’s
    ..
    Coaches want Benny to get up to 320lb
    ….
    LAwlor brings up a great point, used Ozzie Newsomes assistant GM as an example, dude always gets interviews, but has refused offers choosing to stay on as ozzies lieutenant….citing that if you don’t perform well as a First time GM, it will be a whil before you get a second chance…..here’s hoping gamble stays

    • Tom w

      Yep saw that on twitter couple days ago. Let’s hope he lost a bit of the stiffness as well in his hips and can push geathers

      • GEAGLE

        Hoping Gaethers is cut and we replace him with 345lb Cordy Glenn, who has been a second round bust, so he won’t cost big money….you can’t pay a lot for a NT, they just don’t play enough….take for example playing against NE, they rev up the tempo and would NEVER allow you time to get your NT off the field and let you get into your Nickle set on 3rd down…that’s why it’s important that Logan grows to be stout against the run. But doesn’t lose his agility

        • Tom w

          Id cut geathers and square … Square first no upside if Krueger pans out and we add another fat guy somewhere to back up Bennie.

          • GEAGLE

            DEFINITELY!! Off with both of their heads! Lol

        • Richard Colton

          You really want to move him from OT to NT? or you just messing with JR?

          • Token

            Hes just an idiot.

          • Andy124

            The only time gammar matters around here is when you’re insulting someone else’s intelligence…

            If you have so little respect for the guy, why not just ignore him? It makes the board a less pleasant place for the rest of us when our own are yipping at each other.

          • GEAGLE

            Who cares? You can’t worry about he worthless.

          • Andy124

            I don’t consider him worthless though. I know you’ve got some running feuds with him, Rice and maybe Maggie. I don’t have a problem with any of yous.

            So yeah, it’s the internet, who cares. No big deal. But this is a virutal “place”, and it’s more fun when it’s filled with football and lolz than when people are picking at each other. I ignore it 99% of the time but hell, I don’t mind a futile attempt at peace making every once in a while. :)

          • cliff henny

            only 2 types of personal attacks i support 1.unprovoked 2. calling someone out who isnt particating in thred, like Dutch

          • Andy124

            Screw you cliff! (unprovoked).

          • cliff henny

            and i support it! upvote for you

          • RIP illa

            Hilarious!!!

          • Token

            Im busting balls. He does the same. I do.t hate Geagle. We will just disagree often. Atleast hes a Eagle fan. Its folks like #7 that I have a issue with. Frauds.

          • GEAGLE

            WTF !! Why do I keep typing that? TERRENCE friggin CODY!
            Ravens second round bust, they already drafted his replacement and benched “Mount Cody” so ravens will let him walk. We can get him cheap and hope he rebounds with change of scenery…I wouldn’t want to guarentee him a spot, but I would love to take a camp look and see if he can fight his way onto the roster…wonder what Cary thinks?

    • Andy124

      Kruger has gained 16LBs and will be up to 290lbs for the start of OTA’s
      Isn’t he up to 290 now? He may be able to keep adding to that before OTA’s unless they determine that’s his ideal playing weight.

      • RIP illa

        The way I read the report is that they hope he’ll be up to 290 so no he’s not now. But that’s just the way I read it so could be wrong. Either way, w/ the 16 lbs added to him, he shouldn’t be that far off.

        • Andy124

          Thanks. Was just going off comments I read in here, so wasn’t sure exactly what the report said.

        • GEAGLE

          That’s how I interpreted it as well, but who knows! worded badly

      • Richard Colton

        thats a lot of smoothies

        • Will

          lol…

      • GEAGLE

        Bermans exact tweet was Kruger is up 16lbs and will be 290lbs for the start of camp…what that means I dunno

        • Andy124

          Damn Berman and his abiguity!

    • eagle fan dwn south

      So now he’s going to DE at 290

      • GEAGLE

        He was never going to be an OLB

        • RIP illa

          So If you understand that about Krugs…why don’t you understand that for Murphy? To confrontational…why do you have hopes for Murphy as an OLB pass rusher?

          • GEAGLE

            I don’t…I just reserve the right to see his combine first..I’m fully aware that he might just be another Bjoern Werner. But I’m not ready to say for sure yet

          • RIP illa

            Ok cool. Still scratching my head over Bjoern. Don’t know what people were seeing w/ that one.

      • RIP illa

        Where else/what else did you think he was gonna do/go?

    • JofreyRice

      Back when I was less sure of Howie, I was a huge fan of trying to grab Eric Decosta (Ozzie’s second in command) and bring him in to the Eagles org as GM. From what I’ve read, being GM of the Ravens is his dream job, and he’s essentially been promised it in the near future, with Ozzie’s retirement.

      • cliff henny

        i kinda miss those days.

  • GEAGLE

    One thing the eagles do, and are the only team that does which is very smart is! during TV timeouts, we don’t stay on nthe field, eagles all rush to the sideline instead of standing around on the field, that way opponents don’t know what personel we will have on the field when the TV timeout ends….we are the ONLY team to do this, I suspect others will start to copy it

    • Alex

      Great observation, I never noticed that. Teams will definitely copy that if it works. Question is, could they sneakily sub guys at the last second with this tactic?

      • GEAGLE

        They could try, but teams will be so focused on trying to see who comes on the field because they have to, to be able to know what defense they need to deploy….Btw, not my observation. Credit to baldi

    • dollamakeuholla

      did you read this somewhere? or did you watch it at a game? I didn’t know this but it is a great idea that will definitely be copied! Also not looking forward to other teams taking our coaches to learn some of the “Chip Kelly Way” I like it to stay in house but i know is impossible

  • evanphilly

    Hopefully Nix from Norte Dame falls into the Eagles lap somehow. Getting a true NT on this team will be a huge plus. I am fine with bringing Allen back at a reasonable offer as well. If there are enough ahead of Chung on the depth chart, keep him around for another year….we always need ST players.

    • GEAGLE

      Doubt the steelers would allow it, unless they can get CJ Mosely or like one of the OTs

    • RIP illa

      Agree on the true NT part the most!!! People don’t seem to understand that if you have a guy in the middle that can anchor or push the pocket against double teams even…how it not only helps the run game, but helps the passing game as it keeps the QB from being able to step up in the pocket, while the outside rush is getting blocked by and behind him!!! Edge rushers love it when a QB can’t step up from their rush angles!!!

      • Rahkem

        yeah im not spending a first round pick on a true NT , never will i do that unless its a special player who can get to the QB like Vince Wilfork. Nix is nice but i need to see who else is available before saying id take him.

        • GEAGLE

          If Nix has a freak “dancing bear” of a combine, and his numbers measure up with Logan, while having 30lbs on Logan, I would strongly consider Nix….but he has to put up Dontari Poe numbers, having a fat bastard who can also chase QBs would make him a worthy pick..

          If you can NEVER have him on the field in Nickle, then he prob isn’t worth a first round pick, because teams like the Patriots will rev up the tempo and not allow you to get him off the field on 3rd down and more and more teams will start using Tempo…

          Can’t really discuss nix to we see his combine

          • RIP illa

            Yes post injury, you’re right. But pre-injury…there’s nothing to discuss about Nix. You know he can do it all and is a very good athlete for the position…not freak athlete but very good. So if he looks anything like his old self when combine comes, it’s a wrap that we shouldn’t pass him by (unless Hageman’s there…lol).

          • GEAGLE

            Hagemens my Boy! But if we draft him, everyone will sill cry that we don’t have 340lbs of Beef..

            Nix has to not be a complete liability on 3rd down if we were to draft him in round 1…maybe he can…waiting to see the draft process unfold

        • RIP illa

          I hear ya…but Nix is more than nice and he’s not even my fav man in the middle. Before the injury, I was like if he fell to us then there’s no way that we could let him pass by if we truly believe in BPA. Now…it depends on his recovery, but not as steadfast about it. I still feel that way about ‘Shede tho. Kid’s a freak and I do believe that last year, at one point, he was up to 320, so don’t let his weight now scare you or other people off.

          I believe that Rob (theycallmerob) is in love w/ a kid named Kerr, who I have yet to checkout, but using CBS rankings, I’m intrigued by Daniel McCullers. 6’6 351lbs that’s good but not the most impressive thing. The most impressive is that at that size, he’s reported to maintain good leverage, which means his pad level is good. Also he’s slow, but he draws double teams consistently and has been 2 gapping w/ Tenn. even better than that…he’s projected to be there in the 4th w/ the 3rd being the absolute highest, as of now.

          Not a lot of good NTs in this draft, but this is seeming to be a very good smart value pick for a true 2 gap 2 down NT. I would like more of a guy that could be that and still pass rush…ie…Nix or Hageman, but seems like McCullers is the best fit for us right now.

  • Will

    http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles/20140108_What_s_next_for_Eagles_.html

    Nice article from Les Bowen….about whats next for the Eagles….

    • GEAGLE

      Sorry, but I will NEVER give credit to my arch nemesis Les bowoman

  • Token

    Jay Gruden to skins. I dont grt the demand for him.What has he done? Wanted Dalton and hasnt developed him. Now they want him to develop RG3? I heard Haslett is staying as DC. This is all great news IMO.

    • cliff henny

      maybe snyder believed Jay and aj green were a package deal? never get how OC for teams that win with defense get credit. imagine if the eagles ever get as good as cincy was last year of the d side. about mid november start cutting up paper for the confetti

    • EaglePete

      ya, I dont get it either but I love it. They picked the wrong coordinator, Ive been saying since last off season some team should be grabbing Zimmer. Of course you never know how any coord will translate to head coach, previous success doesnt always translate. Takes a lot more to head coach then be a coord, just ask all the Pats that left.

  • theedevilsadvocate

    i have been saying for a few years jay gruden needs to be a head coach in the nfl. i tossed his name in there with kelly… man o man he is going to be coaching in our freakin division… jay gruden to the redskins… you guys see how good cincinnati has been the last few years… offensive coordinator jay gruden is the reason.

    • fran35

      I don’t care if damned Vince Lombardi was ressurected and went to coach Redskins. With RGMe and Dan Snyder still there, that team is going nowhere.

      • RIP illa

        Naw…I mean you’re sorta right, but Grudsn is real good w/ offenses. Depending on where and who the skins draft at WR, then things could get a little hairy a little too quick in the division for us. They have a ground game, they have TEs, they have Garçon and a good possession guy in Morgan. Plus you can’t discount what RG did in his 1st year, knowing that he was coming off of a serious injury this year.

        • cliff henny

          sure he knows offenses, think alot of knowledge bashing is overblown by us fans-it’s fun, but sure these guys know their stuff. i’m more looking at dalton not progressing at all and rg3 looks slightly less than coachable. rg3 needed heavy handed task master, like kelly.

          • RIP illa

            Hopefully Gruden doesn’t hire that kinda guy to be the QB coach and then RG can stay in free fall. I forgot to mention their run game also. I think Dalton just does bad inspire of coaching. Think it’s part of his attitude and mental make-up. But for as much as he F’s up, he also does well. It’s gonna all be about the coaches Gruden surrounds himself w/, cuz right now he would be the least of my worries if I was a skins fan. But being an Eagles fan…Damn, I wish they kept Shannahan!

          • Andy124

            Maybe Jay Gruden will turn out to be Lane Kiffin Part Deux.

          • RIP illa

            We can certainly hope so!!!

          • Richard Colton

            Saw something on SI.com yesterday that RGIII was asking for his bad plays to not be shown to the team during film sessions. Good luck Gru-dog!

          • cliff henny

            oh man, the ego on this kid. TGFF…thank god for foles.

          • JofreyRice

            I feel like Gruden is overrated, but we’ll see.

            I know a lot of people have soured on RG3, but I think he’s been the recipient of some very bad coaching. I still think he’s an elite talent at Qb. I also think the coddling is poisonous. Reminds me of a young McNabb–tons of talent, with addressable holes in his game. McNabb, IMO, was never honest with himself to do that–all defensive bravado and over-the-top goofiness he hid behind. Unbelievably, I think RG3 is being coddled more than McNabb ever was.

          • GEAGLE

            Rg3 and Mcnabb aren’t leaders of men.
            ..That’s a Charecter flaw in both that will only take them so far at the QB position…
            “”
            And ego wouldn’t let them be honest with themselves

          • cliff henny

            imagine dalton if he didnt have green and co. not sure heavy handed position coach has same impact as it coming from HC. and have snyder over top everyone coddling rg3. as you said, more issues than HC in Wash.

  • theedevilsadvocate

    ha ok its all defense in cincy… right

    • theedevilsadvocate

      lets see next year how great cincy is…

  • theedevilsadvocate

    id be willing to put money that the redskins do better than this year… or will be a tougher match up. i understand now, arena league individuals dont get any respect though a few such as jay deserve it. oh well keep your eyes open to the skins now is all im saying. that cincy D was number 1,2,3 in the league? chiefs and panthers is what i remember from this past season.

    • EaglePete

      ha, a Jay Gruden fan, never thought Id see it byt what does he have to do with defense. Those last 3 playoff performances by that offense loaded with weapons were awesome. Good luck Skins, not hard to be better than this past season but by how much is question. They have so many draft picks coming up….oh wait.

      • theedevilsadvocate

        not a redskins fan nor fan of cincy, fan of jay, sure i have been living in orlando for a while and in the arena league around here he is a living legend. won arena bowl as a qb and as coach. made it to the playoffs 3 seasons with cincy the man will only get better but hey why give any respect to arena football i get it…

        • theedevilsadvocate

          i bleed eagles green so i hope he fails considering he is coaching in our division now.

  • theedevilsadvocate

    chung sux

    • GEAGLE

      You don’t say?

      • theedevilsadvocate

        ha yeah figured id just write about what all the phillymag talking heads were commenting on considering that jay to the skins was not actually the story. my bad dick.

  • R. Colton’s Wine Glass

    Wonder how many more ex-ducks Chip brings in before he realizes it’s a terrible idea to do so.

    • Adam

      If you’re going to bring in camp bodies, might as well make them ones who are familiar with Chip’s system instead of wasting time teaching it to a guy who isn’t going to be around long.

      • RIP illa

        Good point but that 30 year old DE is pushing it!!!

    • Tom w

      Byrd and ward are ducks. Black mamba too. They know the program, practice hard and wil buy in. Very important for team chemistry. Big athletic free agent te on ravens too who we could steal for scraps. Also legaratte Blount …. And bunch availabke in draft … Have no problem w his sucks whatsoever … Even the great belicheck drafted Chung uber high and gave Blount a lead role

  • NickS1

    Great timing: http://deadspin.com/report-the-dolphins-are-a-dysfunctional-mess-behind-th-1497770963
    Tommy Gamble seems too smart to head down there for this mess. Don’t think he’d let Lazor go either. Hope not.

    • Tom W

      Lets hope he reads deadspin and the local miami paper. wow that is embarrassing.

      • NickS1

        That’s what I thought. I’ve actually read about that Dawn Aponte before. Parcells loved her, and she’s a vet. Worked for Jets, Browns, and the league office, so she knows what the hell she’s doing. Not someone I would want to have to work with in the front office if I’m being brought in to run the ship.

  • EuropeanEagle

    I was kind of disappointed in Fletcher Cox’s low sack number this season, although I’m aware stats don’t tell the whole story, you would still expect him to be more of a force when it comes to pressuring QBs. Even in a two gap system, there is such a thing as obvious passing downs. But maybe with a true NT who can draw consistent double teams he’ll be more productive against the pass.

    • GEAGLE

      Not really…first year ever having to consistently engage double teams, see what the RB is doing, shed and attack…he had a good year for someone having to go thru that type of transition. It’s a totally different way of playing football…I will say that I’m expecting significantly MORE out of him next year…he should get pro bowl recognition next year, and in year 4 be named to his first probowl….I think he is on schedule for his trajectory…

      • RIP illa

        I don’t buy that all that much. His pressure numbers were great tho. I totally get that he had to adapt to the system. A system which is not suited to his strengths, but I saw too many times, this year and in every game, where he would rush wide and not take on double teams. I mean if it’s as you say, the. Who’s double teaming him, the center and the guard? Wouldn’t it be more like the guard and the tackle? This leaving Cole, relatively, unblocked!!! I understand him taking on just the guard, w: the occasional double team, and still having those responsibilities. But on obvious passing downs and even when teams ran an empty backfield, it’s not his job to watch the back. And still there was a lack of him getting home.

        • GEAGLE

          He is a baby that has been given ZERO continuity…I know we see talent and just want to stick him on the field and instantly perform to his rating every game but it really doesn’t work like that. Continuity matters….our defense would be better next year simply by being one year older, and keeping 10 guys together…this will be the first time baby Cox will get continuity and I Genuinly expect it to make a difference and see Cox take that next step…same with Kendrick and Curry…
          ….
          Not to mention how much more they improve by adding an impact edge rusher at ROLB

          Cox should have been playing his senior year of college,instead he spent two years learning how to shoot gaps and two gap…it stunted his growth, but it should pay dividends in the future as he grows into his man strength……I will be very surprised if Cox doesn’t have a BIGTIME 2014 season

          Bet you if you ask Barwin about Cox future his eyes light up

          • Tom w

            If only we get that impact right outside linebacker …. Rookie olb except the two studs will take some time

      • EuropeanEagle

        Yeah I forgot to mention I was satisfied with his run defense, it just seemed to me like the lack of pressure from our defensive line on 3rd&7+ was a major flaw in the last couple of games.

        • GEAGLE

          That’s what happens,when you combine bad safety play with lacking ROLB pass rush..fix those positions, and cox will be everything we want him to be…he woulda been a TERROR had he been playing in college these past two years..such a baby

      • GEAGLE

        Cox should have just finished his senior season and would be a top pick in this draft lol what a baby monster

    • JofreyRice

      his passrushing really fell off at the end of the year–a time when they needed him to step up most. That was disappointing.

      • GEAGLE

        It’s fair to say our entire front 7 didn’t play to it’s potential in the playoffs…we can learn from it, or be the cowboys and just keep making the same mistakes…my bet, is Chip makes sure the loss won’t be in vain…same with our locker room leaders

      • anon

        Cox might just be better as a 4-3 DE. We were also getting run on all the time so he had different responsibilities.

  • Andy124
    • cliff henny

      great hire! guy won at Vandy…Vandy. cant wait to see him recruit VA MD and bet he get some Ohio boys.

  • anon

    Sheil can we get a story on Skins’ getting Jay Gruden as their new head coach and how their TE coach is going to be their new OC, i think he’s 27 years old. My friend who is a skin fan is optimistic (what skins fan insn’t) but i’m just laughing. They need to fire their GM.

  • John J. King

    Chung played hurt for much of the season. Sore shoulders make tackling tough. He has the skill and since this would likely be his last stop, he has the incentive to step or step out.

    • Token

      lol. I take it you missed his career up to this point?

      • John J. King

        Perhaps you missed something. All-Pac 10 as a Sr., 7 ints. in 39 starts as as a pro. 4.2 in the 40 and has played every position: C, SS, FS & S. Versatile, fast and – my point – at worst, decent back-up at those positions. Belichick was p/o’d at him but did not want to lose him: “Patrick’s a smart kid and really understands football concepts, works hard, is very in tune to not only his job but what everyone else is doing.:

  • Max Lightfoot

    I agree with Rich Hofmann: Lots of people thought they had Chip figured out last season, just as many think they do for the 2014 season. The reality, I suspect, is that he will continue to surprise the hell out of us, especially so in the next draft.

  • theedevilsadvocate

    id like byrd as a FA signing and not for his play just because his name is byrd lol. why so serious? because its phillymag where the posters have their nose in the air and look down at you for differing opinions. stuck up eagles fan that just doesnt go together. stuck and philly seems more like wannabe awholes who get there shits and giggles by tyring to make other posters feel dumb because well they have nothing else to do but write about football because they wish they were tim and shiel but sadly they are not… its ok life is tough i understand this board and football is your get away i understand…

  • theedevilsadvocate

    did i mention chung has sucked wait wait lets talk more about the players we might draft yea that sounds about right…