How Much Of It Is the System?

chip-kelly-win-in-nfl-marqueeNick Foles currently leads the league with a quarterback rating of 128.0. That’s 10 points higher than Peyton Manning and 20 points higher than Aaron Rodgers. He has 16 touchdowns and zero interceptions. He has started five games, and has been awarded NFC Offensive Player of the Week twice.

Impressive, obviously. How much of the credit goes to the quarterback, and how much goes to the system?

“It’s always about the individual,” said Chip Kelly. “It doesn’t matter what plays are called or scheme that is run, they still have to be executed, and  I think he is executing them and all the credit goes to him. He spends a lot of time, he works extremely hard at it, he’s got a really good grasp of what we’re doing, he’s extremely accurate in his throws. He’s doing a great job of making decisions and not putting the ball in harm’s way.”


It's hard to ignore, though, the way quarterbacks have routinely excelled under Kelly. Whether it was Jeremiah Masoli (15 TD, 6 INT in 2009), Darron Thomas (63 TD, 16 INT in 2010-11) or Marcus Mariota (32 TD, 6 INT in 2012), all of his signal-callers produced in a pretty big way while he was head coach at Oregon. Mariota continues to thrive this season (25 TD, 0 INT) running essentially the same system that Kelly installed. Michael Vick had this Eagles offense humming for the most part before he got injured.

Is it fair to call this a quarterback-friendly system?

"I would say nine times this year yes, two times this year no," Kelly quipped.

There is evidence to support the case. But as Kelly said, the system is nothing if the quarterback can't execute.

When asked earlier this year what he seeks first and foremost out of a quarterback, Kelly went with "repetitive accuracy." On Monday, he added that he values "wins number one, interceptions number two, and [Foles has] been really good with both of those."

Foles hasn't thrown an interception and is 4-1 as a starter, so you can see why Kelly would be pleased.

As for the Foles-Vick situation: Kelly indicated that Vick, who was inactive Sunday, could have played against Washington if the team needed him. He is hoping that Vick (hamstring) will be "up and ready to go" after the bye week. The head coach says that when both QBs are healthy, he will have a talk with each of them about the starting job, as he did this summer following the quarterback competition. There is no reason to think Foles will be taken out of the lineup while he is playing this well.

Kelly discussed how he's been able to make it work with two quarterbacks that possess very different skill sets.

"If you've got a guy who is more of a runner -- and I had some of those guys at my career at Oregon -- then we feature more quarterback runs. If you have someone that's more of a thrower then you feature more throws. If you've got a guy that can do both, then I think that puts a little bit more stress on the defense," he said. "But it always has to be catered to who is pulling the trigger."

Some other notes from Kelly's day-after press conference:

-- Several veterans said after the game that they are feeling unusually fresh for this late in the season, a reporter mentioned, and credit Kelly's sports-science driven approach. Is the coach surprised to hear that?

"No, I'm not surprised," he responded. "That's part of the plan and it's a well thought-out research plan, it's not just a , 'Hey, let's try this.' But it's a two-way street. They have to buy into it, too, and they've done an unbelievable job buying into it. We're not with them 24/7, nor should we be with them 24/7,  but we've got a bunch of guys that want to be great at what they do and thy understand that not only here what they do every day but what they do when they're not here during the day has a great affect on you in terms of being able to respond physically on Sundays."

-- Kelly isn't worried about his own stamina, either. He said that even though the NFL season is longer than a college slate, his current workload might actually be lighter because he doesn't have to hit the recruiting trail during the offseason.

 

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  • DirtyWaters

    Yeah Coach Kelly! Yeah Science!

    • Chris

      YEA B*TCH! SMOOTHIES!!

      • DirtyWaters

        How sad is it gonna be when we find out that Coach Kelly has been cookin’ up all the Krocodil in Kensington.

  • GEAGLE

    Chip cleaned up Andy’s slop in 8 months:
    Good ST..remember bobby mr potato head April?
    Create Turnover
    No more INTs and fumble
    Redzone efficiency…we rarely have to settle for 3

    FOles is a GOD..simple as that lol

    If I hear another national dope mock a Chip Kelly offense, our defense or Folesy being a Chip QB they should be fired…

    take the first month out of equation, and the meaningless yards allowed stat…and we are looking at a top 5 defense, that gets better and nasty by the week no matter who gets injured

    • nicksaenz1

      Foles Gold. Not God. Bring the Lombardi to Philly and we march down Broad together calling him a God.

      • BirdGang

        haha Can I join. Foles Gold i like that. But I do think it is 65% system 35% Foles.

        • nicksaenz1

          I’d go 65/35 the other way, if not a little more. We saw what Foles did in this system. And while Vick was good in it, he wasn’t this good in it. And of course! Any true Eagles fan is welcome.

          • cliff henny

            right now, today, hope it’s 100% system. i know kelly here for 3-4 more yrs.

          • nicksaenz1

            Good point, but someone’s still gotta run it. And Foles is doing a damn fine job, thus far. Think Blaine Gabbert comes in here and kills it? Maybe, maybe not, but based on his history I wouldn’t bet on it. While I get your point about wanting it to be the system because it keeps Kelly here hopefully longer than a QB, still need a good QB to run it to keep Kelly here.

          • cliff henny

            of course. yeah, not suggesting i want howie to draft like ’10 and ’11 and see how good kelly really is, but the system does make everyone better, shady is having career yr, d-jax too, cooper-means good lord please explain to me what’s in his wheeties and i’ll eat it.
            .
            teams better beat up on eagles next 4-5 weeks,having a feeling it’s going to get a lot harder next yr!

          • BlindChow

            Maybe they are just playing up to their potential, and it was last year’s system that held them back.

        • BlindChow

          Mark Berkley would have looked way better if success was a function of the system.

  • Aran

    Not comparing Foles to Brady, but is saying Brady’s history is “merely a product of the system” belittling him, Belichick, and the system? No, you still need a good quarterback. Most importantly, this is the National (freaking) Football League where you’re playing against seasoned professional athletes week in and week out. Such a thing might be attributable at the college level, but not here.

    • JofreyRice

      eh, I don’t think you could make that argument with Brady, because the systems have changed so dramatically. Those early 00′s Patriots offense looks really nothing like the offense New England ran last year, and that offense bears almost no resemblance to when they were a perimeter vertical threat team with Moss in ’07. Same team, sure, but the systems Brady has played in are really, really different year to year, IMO.

      Bottom line, I just care about results. If the Eagles can win the Superbowl with a “System QB” running a hokey, gimmicky “college offense” , the confetti will be the same color as if they did it the old fashioned way.

      • Andy124

        But were they different systems, or the same system with the same terminology and route concepts with drastically different game plans to suit different personnel?

        • EaglePete

          thats the Belichick genius. Hes constantly adjusting

        • JofreyRice

          I think they were essentially different. There probably is some overarching continuity, but at the end of the day, if you’re changing the component parts of a system so drastically, and changing Brady’s responsibilities within, I think at points, all those component changes add up to a change in the system, itself. At the end of the day, a QB in context with the system is really about his role, right? What he’s supposed to be doing, when, his reads, etc. All of that is pretty much year to year with Brady.

          I mean, they had a very conservative offense in the early part of the decade. Were wide open passing offense during McDaniels’ first run, pioneered the heavy use of multiple tight sets, and went to the ultra-speed running attack last year. They went and specifically acquired the talent to make those moves before debuting the system, so it makes me think there was a plan.

          • All Things Bad@ss

            Those Pats playbooks from today and yesteryear look nothing alike; and weekly game-plans are drastically different. Only common denominator? The dude pulling the trigger. I like your point of, “If the Eagles can win the Superbowl with a “System QB” running a hokey, gimmicky “college offense” , the confetti will be the same color as if they did it the old fashioned way.” … but what does that even really mean? I actually love Chip’s take on this — (and I’m paraphrasing) “football is football.” And he happens to be pretty f**king in tune with how to make an offense run. Maybe it’s the malt liquor, but I see a torch about to be passed from Mr. Most Boring Ass Press Conference Coach in the History of the NFL to … Chip “you don’t even wanna to miss a second of my awesome razzing of Philly’s media and insatiable love of the game” Kelly.

      • Aran

        That’s my point, and yet people still try to make that argument on Brady

  • GEAGLE

    The ONLY thing you can attribute to the SYSTEM is that QBs can get chunks of yards on the ground if they chose to in this offense Even if they aren’t fast

    • cliff henny

      exxplain cooper then? guy looks like hot garbage for 3 yrs, now is beasting it! i’m hoping more of it is the system/kelly…he’s easiest to keep around.

      • BlindChow

        Cooper played with Vick for the first five games this year. He didn’t look any different then than previous years. If Kelly’s system was responsible for his uptick in production, it would have happened before Foles stepped in.

        • cliff henny

          true, i also think some of the kinks had to be worked out. to think o-line, coaching, etc, havent improved since vick to foles time would be tough for me to believe. not like other guys werent killng it when vick was in. just saying, if system makes guys better, that’s fantastic!

          • BlindChow

            I think everyone’s improved as the year’s gone on (especially defense). But Cooper’s improvement was immediate once Foles stepped in. He went from 20 yds/game to 100 yds/game in a week!

      • GEAGLE

        Cooper has NOTHING. To do with Kelly…he now has a QB that knows how to throw, not just run

        • cliff henny

          it’ll be interesting to see how much they value cooper. his production is going to get some looks. sure it’s combo, foles found him more last yr too, and he’s making some plays. maybe that concert outburst will cheapen price, cause he is balling

          • BlindChow

            Remember Laurent Robinson? Had a big year for Dallas in 2011, signed a huge contract ($14 million guaranteed) with the Jaguars in 2012, and is now out of the league.

            It’ll be interesting to see if Cooper decides to test free agency.

            But now that the Mike Wallace and Dwayne Bowe deals look questionable, the market may have softened.

          • cliff henny

            great example in robinson. we’ll find out what eagles brass think of system vs player…fun to discuss, but wont be much doubt once coop hits market. i’d go with draft to replace both him and avant. miss avants hands, but need some seam speed.

          • anon

            Doesn’t seem like the same type of guy — but it’s possible. I’d put him on the easily replaceable list.

  • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

    Kelly runs a QB friendly system. So yes the system is a part of it. But you still have to execute like he said. It’s not either or but both.

    • Max Lightfoot

      Nice observation – you are correct indeed – which is why Kelly may try and find a QB who can do both at a high level. In the meantime we have a potential backup in place who’s just killing it, unlike Green Bay.

      • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

        Poor Green Bay. Hee hee…

      • theycallmerob

        I believe the QB has been found; tough to still label Foles a backup at this point. Starter of future? maybe not. Starter as of present, and more likely than not the rest of the year? yes

  • Ascher Levy

    Darren Thomas who had 63TDs vs. 16 INTs for Kelly went undrafted in the nfl and is currently playing in the arena league. That says something about his system. Still, I have high hopes for Foles and think we can spent first rounder on a stud CB.

    • ztom6

      I don’t care how valuable the QB is outside the system so long as the the system and the QB produce wins together.

    • evanphilly

      Combine stats looked eh…4.80 40. There was a question with his throwing motion and wasted movement or something. Was a surprise that he decided to come out after his Junior year, should have stayed another year or so

      • Andy124

        The word on these boards is that he saw the writing on the wall, knew Mariota would be starting over him and figured he’d give it a go while he at least had a shot.

  • ztom6

    I don’t recall Kelly ever saying “repetitive accuracy” was the first thing he looked for in a quarterback. I think he used that term specifically to answer a question about what he liked about Matt Barkley as a quarterback in particular when they drafted him.

    • nicksaenz1

      He did very early on during spring practices.

    • DirtyWaters

      “In this league, you’ve got to be able to throw the football. And that’s the first skill set that we’re looking for. Repetitive accuracy is the number one quality we’re looking for in a quarterback.” – Chip Kelly 4.27.2013

      Yes, he was talking about Bark but it appears this applies to all QBs.

  • Andy124

    How Much Of It Is the System?
    Some.

    • Richard Colton

      brevity is the soul of wit

    • Maggie

      Or as Kelly said. If you have a runner you run more, if you have a thrower you throw more.

  • nicksaenz1

    Lock these sports science secrets up tight.

  • Tom W

    Love the sports science shout out by the vets on the team … I really have never remembered our team being this healthy late in the year .. and hardly any soft tissue injuries which are a good indication of a guy not being in tip top shape. Close strong.

    And yes the system is qb friendly … chip is an offensive genius. He never had a legit qb prospect at new hampshire or oregon until mariotta as a frosh and his qbs have consistently put up gaudy numbers. Less systematic then say Houston Cougars or Hawaii or old Spurrier Gators or say Missouri Tigers spread … but still very qb friendly.

    • anon

      And we are 11 weeks in — no bye. I think it’s really going to pay dividensd in weeks 14-16 when defenses aren’t going to be feeling our tempo play at the end of the season.

  • JofreyRice

    It’s fair to say it’s both. We saw when Mike Blakely was in there, he looked like toxic wreck. You’ve got to at least be able to make the right read, and get the ball out there. I think the system removes some of the exotic blitzes from a defense’s gameplan, because the defense has to be so assignment sound.

    Another part of this is coaching. You can have a great system, but if it’s overcomplicated, and the QB can’t grasp what his responsibilities are, your system is not going to work. One thing I’ve always said about Kelly is that he did a fantastic job of explaining to both Vick & Foles what their choices were on any given play, giving them options, and defining which decisions would be favorable in which situations.

    • Andy124

      Mike Barkely. Nice. Hope that was on purpose. :)

      • BlindChow

        Aw, crap. I’ve been calling him Mark.

        • GoBirds1

          Do you have to be retarded or just blind to post on here. What about his last name, ‘ Blakley

          • theycallmerob

            your wit seems to be lacking slightly.

          • Richard Colton

            what do you have against Mark? don’t tell me you’re one of those Vick and/or Foles guys. Please.

    • cliff henny

      good qb, in a good system with a very good coach…pretty nice recipe for success.

      • anon

        I think the system makes the game as simple as possible. Need to make one or two reads but most of the work is done pre-snap. I’m glad that Foles didn’t get benched and take it like he was going to be a backup QB. He kept pushing and is realizing the fruits of that labor. I think Foles gets named when MV gets healthy.

  • cliff henny

    so fast food friday for professional athletes isnt a good idea? who knew…besides every single guy in here that’s gone to burger king at noon and slept thru the afternoon games.

    • Andy124

      I refuse to believe that Taco Bell is anything less that mana from the heavens.

      • theycallmerob

        Preach

      • cliff henny

        man, i love taco bell as much as the next guy, but you know, regardless of when you eat that, it’s pretty much sealed the rest of your day. and most of the next morning after a hot cup of coffee.

      • EaglePete

        yes, nothing like grade D ground beef in your taco, dog food quality. Stick with the chicken is all Im saying ha.

        • Andy124

          grade D for Delicious.

          • nicksaenz1

            Brilliant

          • cliff henny

            or diabetes. please tell me you dont eat that garbage more than once a month, maybe twice, tops

          • Andy124

            Ok, I won’t tell you.

          • JofreyRice

            You know, “the authorities”* will criticize them by saying their meat is mostly oats, fillers and other nutritionless batting, as if it’s an insult. Rather, the fine culinary artists of Taco Bell should be commended for their masterful manipulation of this material into a delicious quasi-meat/quasi-Mexican delight.

            *health

          • EaglePete

            mmm pink slime, remember that, we all ate it for years. If not google it. Or watch Food Inc, that sweet irradiated grey looking ground beef, now thats the good filler most arent aware of.

  • theycallmerob

    Marriage of talent and scheme. Kelly plays up Foles’ strengths. Simple enough.

  • Bobby

    This is a second year player ballin out of his mind. This is an entire team who had to learn an entirely new system. It’s apparent we have athletes across the board and they must all be pretty damn smart cause I wasn’t expecting them to be executing so well so soon and you can notice a gradual climb every week. Go science! Bazzinga!

  • Andy124

    In order to determine a numerical value for the net affect Chip Kelly’s offensive system has on a given quarterback’s rating, one first needs a control sample. Nick Foles makes a poor control due to the unpredictable nature of progress of young players and the poor quality of last year’s data, the team being an utter disaster and whatnot.

    Fortunately, we have another control candidate we can use. Michael Vick’s status as a seasoned veteran with a large sample size to examine makes his past performance a reliable indicator of his system-independent quarterback rating. His performance in 2012 can be dismissed due to the unusual circumstances surrounding that year, and 2010 was a clear statistical anomaly, so we will use his rating from 2011 as his system-independent QB rating. With this control data in hand, we can determine that Chip Kelly’s offensive system is worth precisely +1.5 (86.4 – 84.9) quarterback rating points.

    Therefore, Nick Foles’ system independent quarterback rating falls to 126.5, not nearly as impressive as the 128.0 rating Kelly’s innovative system has allowed him to accumulate.

    • cliff henny

      i’d say qbr would better rating system, with vick running has to be factored. though all rating sytems stink. celek doesnt run in molasses, cooper get red flag cause he was in, foles has another 145+ day.

      • nicksaenz1

        You mean like ESPN’s Total QBR?

        • cliff henny

          yeah, it’s terrible too, but does factor running while QR doesnt.

          • nicksaenz1

            Why do you think it’s so terrible? I’m not disagreeing, just curious. I don’t look at it much and forget why they said it was supposed to be so awesome. I know it’s supposed to factor in “decisions”, but that’s quite arbitrary.

          • Andy124

            Traditional qb rating is imperfect. It can mislead, but it won’t flat out lie to you and tell you a pebble weighs more than a boulder. ESPN’s garbage stat is a nice idea, it’s supposed to take in to account situational success, but it’s broken. It will lie to you. I’ve seen too many QBRs that were just completely off from reality.

          • nicksaenz1

            Yeah same here. Like I said, it’s quite arbitrary.

          • cliff henny

            andy’s right, terrible is bad word, but too many people lean on them. ranking qbs by QR is dumb, cause so much of what it calculates isnt controlled by qb, like rac, tip ints or celek gettin caught at 1. you know foles would have been 145 if cooper and celek get 1 yd combined. too arbitrary. with vick though, that author should have used qbr, just saying, vick would have been greater improvement, so foles greater too. just trying to get kelly more credit. pretty big fan of the chippah nowadays.

          • Andy124

            That author was me playing around. Never meant that to be taken seriously. Tried using italics as a ‘tongue-in-cheek-font’, but it came off as a long quote. :)

            The idea of a system independent qb rating is a total joke. And the very idea of trying to quantify “how much” difference Kelly’s system makes is futile. My first answer, “Some” was and is my serious answer.

          • cliff henny

            lol…damn, you missed your calling. i totally figured that was one of those annoying ‘what they are saying’ talking heads. easterbrook bs written all over it. it’s actually a really good idea though. vicks qbr went from ’11 64.7 to this yr 58.7, so minus 6, so kind od shoots my theory in ass.
            .
            foles qbr is 78.2, 72.2 still keeps him 2nd.

          • Andy124

            Damn, I hope my calling wasn’t to be an annoying talking head like Easterbrook. lol.

          • nicksaenz1

            That was my first thought, too.

    • OregonEagle

      I just gotta think that analysis is worth about what I paid for it.

    • GoBirds1

      I think someone taught Andy how to count as 1, 2, 4 and that is about as far as his math education went. As far as statistical analysis I assume that was joke.

      • Andy124

        As far as statistical analysis I assume that was joke.
        Figured that out all on your own, did ya?

  • http://comic-book-nerd.blogspot.com/ SJ Mitchell

    I’d say it’s 70/30 in favor of Foles. Chip installed the offense and calls the plays…sort of. Remember with the read option Chip’s setting up the offense but in the end, Foles decides what direction and what version of the play they’re going to run. It’s up to Foles to learn the offense and execute with good decision making. Even Kelly said when it comes down to it, it’s up to the players on the field to make the plays. A guy can be wide open because of the scheme but if the pass is overthrown or falls short, that’s on the QB.

  • Mr. Wu
  • Dotch

    The Kid has had a Great Run so far, but will soon be coming to the earth when he has to face a real defense that puts pressure in his face, like the Cardinals. The book has been written, when we know what he is. He can beat up on these bad defenses but will crumble when NFL Defenders are on his face and he will have a tough road to hold. Even Grandma Dutch could have avoided that rush from Jerningan and Orakpo yesterday, and the wide receivers were having to do a Great Job to bail him out on several of those throws. This is the oldest profession in the world, support the backup quarterback when the goings good, but scatter like churchmice when he’s playing bad.

    • Richard Colton

      Upvote for the screen name. the random Capitalized letters and incorrect player names are pure Dutch. The argument was more BBaaS. You get a B+. Make the Foles rant more about what Foles can’t do, and less about why the defenses have been so bad, any QB could have done it, and you’re there.

      Extra credit? you can yeast up your score by mixing metaphors and making up words. And if you start claiming to be an authority on everything…then you might really be the Dutchman. In which case, welcome back buddy!!!!

      • BlindChow

        Don’t forget to mention that no one knows anything because they didn’t play the game at a high level.

    • Sven

      Wish Grandma Dutch would’ve avoided Grandpa Dutch and saved us all some trouble.

    • Nikolai

      Should be “a tough row to hoe”

  • ojdiddoit

    Foles produces wins..enough said

  • addicted2mula

    1. Nick Foles is the most efficient quarterback.

    Even though Peyton Manning remains on pace to break the major single-season passing records in 2013 (5715 yards and 54 TDs), he’s no longer the NFL leader in passing efficiency. That title currently belongs to Philadelphia Eagles quarterback Nick Foles, who has now thrown enough passes to qualify for the QB rating title and currently leads Manning 128.0 to 118.3.

    2. Nick Foles is better than Eli Manning — by a lot.

    If Foles threw interceptions on his next 26 attempts, his passer rating would still be higher than Eli Manning’s. Let that one sink in for a bit.

    3. Nick Foles could also break another Manning’s record.

    Foles’ 16 touchdowns and zero interceptions to start this season would have tied an NFL record if Peyton Manning hadn’t broken the record earlier in the year. As it stands, Foles needs five more touchdown passes before an INT to break Manning’s new mark of 20.

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    7 ridiculous stats that prove Nick Foles is the best QB in the NFL

    The Eagles QB has been dynamite (so far).By CHRIS CHASE – November 18, 2013 at 11:30am ESTSHARE ON:7172345(USA TODAY Sports Images)Here are seven facts that show how unconscious Nick Foles has been in the 2013 season.

    1. Nick Foles is the most efficient quarterback.

    Even though Peyton Manning remains on pace to break the major single-season passing records in 2013 (5715 yards and 54 TDs), he’s no longer the NFL leader in passing efficiency. That title currently belongs to Philadelphia Eagles quarterback Nick Foles, who has now thrown enough passes to qualify for the QB rating title and currently leads Manning 128.0 to 118.3.

    2. Nick Foles is better than Eli Manning — by a lot.

    If Foles threw interceptions on his next 26 attempts, his passer rating would still be higher than Eli Manning’s. Let that one sink in for a bit.

    3. Nick Foles could also break another Manning’s record.

    Foles’ 16 touchdowns and zero interceptions to start this season would have tied an NFL record if Peyton Manning hadn’t broken the record earlier in the year. As it stands, Foles needs five more touchdown passes before an INT to break Manning’s new mark of 20.(Kirby Lee/USA TODAY Sports)

    4. Even when he’s bad, Nick Foles is good.

    Foles had a passer rating of 104.3 in Sunday’s win over the Redskins. It was the second-worst rating of his five starts this season.

    5. Nick Foles doesn’t need to throw a lot.

    Aaron Rodgers, Tom Brady, Eli Manning, Robert Griffin III, Jay Cutler, Joe Flacco, Cam Newton and Colin Kaepernick have all completed more passes than Foles has attempted, yet Foles has thrown for more touchdowns than each of those quarterbacks.

    6. Nick Foles > RG3.

    In Sunday’s game, Foles rushed for three more yards than RG3 (47 to 44).

    7. Basically, Nick Foles is on pace to be awesome.

    Foles leads the NFL in yards-per-attempt with 9.59. Aaron Rodgers is next with an 8.84 YPA. If he maintains it, Foles’ average would be the third-highest in modern NFL history, behind Kurt Warner’s 9.9 in 2000 and Chris Chandler’s 9.6 for the 1998 Atlanta Falcons. The top four spots in the record book are from seasons prior to 1955.

    • EaglePete

      stats are wonderful eh. What youre missing is sample size. Thats where consistency comes in so lets simmer down on the hero worship just yet. Look no further than RG3 in year 2, or even better cams career arc. You can have a great season then a terrible one. Our next opponent, Carson Palmer was looking like the hottest QB at one point, could make all the throws etc. Then it all went downhill, now its uphill (a bit) yet again. Then theres that whole “team” thing and the players around you and the whole coaching part that kind of matters, ask Phillip Rivers. But ya, I love that hes on pace for Awesome.

      • addicted2mula

        Oh I know, those was just stats to throw out there. Consistency is the key I do admit that. Not just from him but the team. But if this can continue for Foles and the team oh boy

  • Salty Dog

    Who cares about if it is the system or not, it’s working! You have a young QB putting up good numbers and the Eagles are leading the division!

  • ACViking

    Q: Is Foles just a predicable product of the Kelly System?

    Hmmm. Were Montana and Young just products of the original Bill Walsh WCO?

    Would Montana have become a HOFer as an Eagle under Dick Vermeil, Marion Campbell, and Buddy Ryan? I’m guessing that’s a “no.”

    Would Young have become a HOFer if he’d remained a Tampa Bay Buccaneer under the likes of Leeman Bennett, Ray Perkins, and Sam Wyche? I think Young would have quit for a full-time law job after 5 years in Tampa.

    A good system is nothing but an opportunity for a QB who can execute it.

    So is it the system? Wrong question, I think.

    • Richard Colton

      I loved your take on the argument. So a better question then, would be: since the system has demonstrated potential, can Nick develop into a top 6-8 QB within that system?

      • ICDogg

        Only time will tell. Not sure he has to be top 6-8. I mean, where would you rank Flacco? Eli? Super Bowl QBs have to be good at the right time, and need to be pretty solid the rest of the time, but they don’t necessarily have to be the best ones year in and year out.

        • Richard Colton

          Flacco’s superbowl year he was a top 8 QB in the 2nd half of the season and playoffs. Eli? bad, bad year this year? But look at his yardage and TDs – he has been a top 10, top 8 QB for years at a time.

          The argument we hear sometimes is “but what about Trent Dilfer or Jeff Hoestettler?” which is fair. Here’s my take: you can win a Superbowl without a star at the position, but every other aspect of your team had better be great. If you have a star, he can cover for some deficiencies.

          • ICDogg

            And complimentary to that point, if you have guys who are less deficient, they can cover for not having that star.

    • ICDogg

      And who considered Foles an ideal QB under Kelly’s system anyway? I mean, people still are talking about who they should draft to replace him to fit the right prototype for Chip’s system.

    • anon

      I mean it’s both. The system i think is a lot like what he did in college — i think it pays to be familiar with a system (which is why QBs struggle when they have multiple OCs) but i think Foles has put in a lot of work on his reads to grow into the system. I think CK also tailors the calls around what foles is good at. Thankfully he also has accuracy + a little mobility, i think that’s what’s needed in this system

  • Cyrus Robinson

    Now that they mention it, this was usually that time of the year where Cole stopped getting sacks. However, on Sunday’s game, Cole looked stronger than he did earlier in the season by getting 2 sacks. I’m sure it has a lot to do with learning a new position, but it was no secret that Cole would usually run out of steam towards the end of the year.