Digging Deeper Into the Replay Issue

Chip KellySafe to say,  Chip Kelly and his staff  have been a little shaky in the instant replay department so far this year. They are 1-for-4 on challenges. Sunday the issue was the decision not to challenge, particularly on one play — a 36-yard reception by the Packers’ Jarrett Boykin in the second quarter.

Television replays showed that the receiver’s hand was out of bounds before his second foot came down in the field of play. The call on the field would almost certainly have been overturned. Ultimately it didn’t cost the Eagles —  Brandon Boykin came up with an interception later in the drive–  but it could have. It’s an area of in-game management that needs to be cleaned up.

Kelly provided an interesting explanation when asked about the decision to not challenge in that spot.


"They said they got one clip up in the box," Kelly told reporters Monday. "They saw both feet down, couldn't really tell where the elbow was and then they were snapping the ball and going. What our coaches see in the box isn't what everybody sees on national television. It's just what is available to them then. There was really no discussion after that."

Kelly said that what his assistants see in the booth is different from what the national audience sees. That shouldn't be the case. Here are the league rules regarding the replay process:

It is mandatory that all clubs provide television monitors in the press box booths used by both coaching staffs. The visiting team must be provided with the same number and size color television monitors as the home team. Each coaches' booth must have at least two (2) monitors, one of which must be at least 32 inches. All television monitors must be high definition units. No additional replay capability is permitted other than that provided by the televising network.

The network television feed used in the coaches' booths will be supplied directly from the network television truck, minimizing the delay between live play and the broadcast. This feed is identical to the feed used in the Instant Replay Booth. Prior to each game, the Instant Replay Technician, a League employee, will be responsible for confirming that both coaches' booths have the correct video feed.

The network feed is what the audience sees at home, and is "supplied directly from the network television truck, minimizing the delay between live play and the broadcast." Theoretically, assistants in the box should have an opportunity to see the play from a couple different angles before the next play. That is especially true in this situation, given that there was almost a full minute in-between the catch and the Packers' next snap from scrimmage.

The Eagles were offsides on the play, so the Packers had to wait for the official's explanation. They appeared to huddle. When Green Bay finally did get to the line quarterback Scott Tolzien was calling out commands (possible audibling), prompting Troy Aikman to say: "Tolzien, unaware of it, he's taking his time at the line."

How could Pat Shurmur (the go-to man in the booth) and company only get one look in that time?

Here's one plausible explanation: According to an Eagles spokesman, the televisions can be set to the in-house replay feed -- the same feed that is shown to the crowd on the big screens. That is typically a home-team friendly operation. If a replay favors the opposition, it generally won't make it up to the big board. Is it possible that the Eagles had the wrong channel on? That would explain Kelly's assertion that "what our coaches see in the box isn't what everybody sees on national television."

A league spokesman, when asked if TVs can be changed from the television feed to the in-house replay feed in the booth, simply replied: "No." Yet this isn't the first time a visiting team has seemingly had issues getting the same replays the rest of the country is getting.

Bottom line, the assistants should be able to see what the audience is seeing, and with limited delay. This is what they should have been looking at Sunday:

replay 1

The fact that Boykin's hand was down before his second foot was clear from multiple television angles. (Kelly mentioned the elbow in his explanation, but the elbow didn't need to be down -- he was out of bounds.)

This one should have been easy. Again, no harm done. The Eagles didn't allow any points that drive and left Green Bay with a win. But the replay process is something they need to get straightened out moving forward.

 

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  • travis papa

    Tell us about the injuries please. Been waiting 24hrs

    • mtn_green

      Kelly “Mychal said he felt good, didn’t think there was anything big‑time wrong with him. But we’ll see. Jason said he’s going to play. But every time Jason’s had anything, he’s told me he’s going to play. But the one thing about Jason is he has played. He hasn’t missed any time since I’ve been here.”

      http://m.philadelphiaeagles.com/s/31567/260?itemPos=3&itemUri=1066764252%2F78119112156131311212310360410

      • JofreyRice

        I was fearing the worst for both of those guys. It looked like Wolff hit Kendricks right in the crown of his kneecap, and the Peters injury looked like he was favoring that Achillies again. Very glad to hear otherwise (even if I still hate Kendricks’ missed tackles!).

  • mtn_green

    Solution-he can just have Shurmur check Jimmy Kempskis twitter feed.

    Or have someone on his headset watch the game with a tv that has rabbit ears. The frustration by fans and media is that WE see it and are told such by the tv why can’t they see it.

    • BlindChow

      What’s baffling is they show the replays on TV again and again, and like yesterday there often isn’t a mad rush to the line to get the ball off. Harbaugh missed a crucial challenge in the Ravens-Broncos game. The announcers were repeating over and over, “Why doesn’t he challenge?”

      The really frustrating thing is Shurmur handles offense, so it’s not like he would have on-field responsibilities while the other team has the ball. My only guess is they don’t have the audio feed, so it’s possible they don’t even pay attention during replays, assuming it’s just standard in-game coverage.

    • pkatz

      Actually, Twitter is an AMAZING idea. It’s essentially real time, and if there’s no delay with the broadcast it could theoretically provide some good crowd-sourced information (provided they pick the right people to follow….)

  • cliff henny

    if he can turn the cooper’s of the nfl into half of what we’ve seen lately, he can throw that red flag away, it wont be needed.

    • G_WallyHunter

      Imagine what Maclin would be doing, I know, it sucks, but it’s exciting

      • cliff henny

        maybe he’s wondering same thing, talking himself into 1-yr hometown team discount. get some gawdy stats and hit free agency w/ an extra yr from knee surgery. figure if cooper parlay’s a hartline-esque contract, 5yrs31m w/ 12m guarenteed, that will have Mac drooling. do wonder how kelly put up with the self-tackling bs. d-jax can get away with it it seems, 50yd bombs makes stepping out 2 yds too early easily forgiven.

        • G_WallyHunter

          I was thinking that too, I picture Maclin sitting at home, watching Riley play this good, thinking about how good he would likely be doing. Cooper get’s a Hartline-esque contract? Jeeze, I dono about that.
          I hope Maclin does decide to do that, I hope he sees that the best chance he has in putting up numbers is right here with the team that drafted him.

          • cliff henny

            he’ll at least want assurance of being #2 wr. think he 4th, unless he can play slot, which we havent seen.

          • GEAGLE

            Coop likes it here, and I think this will be a desired location for players going forward. I get the impression that it’s important to Riley to stay in philly, ATleast I hope:
            Riley,Desean,Mike Evans can be SCARY run after the catch guys with a accurate kid like FOles who let’s his playmakers catch the ball in stride and go up and make a play

        • theycallmerob

          stop teasing

          • cliff henny

            rather have mike evans. want a big wr taking those screnes and trucking dbs. Maclin aint that!

          • theycallmerob

            now that’s just football porn

          • cliff henny

            if he’s available when eagls draft, you’ll be able to hear me screaming without opening the windows

          • UKEagle99

            You should check out the cheerleaders…

          • GEAGLE

            I want Cooper back as our #3
            ..
            I want Mike Evans

            I want Desean

            I want wouldn’t mind drafting two WR in the top 4 rounds as long as we get our stud safety in FA. Odell Beckham sounds good to me..

            Sign Maclin for 1 year, so he can prove to the league he is healthy and so we can bring our two rookies along without giving them too much
            ….
            Don’t add any TEs this year but change the depth chart:
            1)Ertz
            2)Casey (he is better and way more dangerous than we think and his time in philly WILL COME even if it isn’t in 2013)
            3) keep Celek only as a blocking TE and depth insurance
            ..
            2015 draft we go get a TE…of course my feelings will change if I see Colt Lyeria on the board when it’s time to use our second 5th round pick :)

          • Richard Colton

            wouldn’t be a surprise if they did. seriously, is there any position that would surprise you if the Eagles went there in round #1?

          • knighn

            Kicker, Punter, Fullback, Long Snapper. Sorry! You asked!

          • UKEagle99

            I would say place kicker but we need one of those… I’ll go punter, yes punter (final answer). Punter would surprise me in round 1.

            Did I win?

          • Richard Colton

            ughhh. OK – of the positions one typically associates with the first round. i.e. – CB, OT, DE, DT/NT, QB, WR. Think we can include G and S (only if they’re exceptional clear cut wins at the position).
            But to answer your question, yes, you won.

          • GEAGLE

            I think it’s OLB or WR all the way

          • cliff henny

            cut casey, cut celek…that’s 7m in savings, basically Byrd. i’m doing that all day. 1st rd, shazier, 2nd beckham, 3rd moncreif, non of these are reaches. lyoria has dropped to 6th rounder. the one lbr that few are talking about that’s 2nd rdr, raising on boards is breslin out of USC. hope Evans slips somehow, i need to see him play for Eagles. i just cant see how him opposite d-jax with laundry in 3rd playing slot, wouldnt be electric.
            .
            i cant wait for this draft. the Eagles needs line up perfectly for what is available and strength of draft.

          • pjcostello

            Savings aren’t really all that important — Vick will also be off the books, but this team is $20m under the salary cap TODAY, with all of those salaries!! Money isn’t an issue for the Eagles, never has been.

          • cliff henny

            money is always an issue. only time it isnt, is when it’s someone else’s. the more they clear, the more they can upgrade. vick’s is not considered in that 20m(eaglescap.com). and, need 10m mim to sign draft picks. plus eagles always carry 10m for emergencies, leeway, dont want to get in corner like cowboys. space will need to be cleared to sign a Byrd like talent.

          • pjcostello

            Fine, but you left off an outside LB or two.. trade/release Trent Cole and Brandon Graham first. Also, an offensive tackle — Jason Peters ain’t gonna last forever, and it’s a very important position.

          • GEAGLE

            Was just talkin defense..pass rush OLB is NUMBER 1 on my list…
            ..
            Let me have Jarius Byrd and Khalil Mack and I’d happily invest the the rest on sorrounding FOles with weapons

          • pjcostello

            No beef here with any of that, but gimme a tackle! Gimme gimme gimme. :-)

  • DirtyWaters

    Was at the game in Atlanta two years ago. If it was a favorable play for the Falcons they would show stills with a circle around the inbound foot. Controversial Eagles plays the big screen was black. After I saw the highlights I couldn’t believe Big Red didn’t challenge that night. It shouldn’t be a home field advantage. Same as headsets. One team’s go out, the other team turns theirs off.

    • UKEagle99

      In which case we need an Adobe Permiere expert hired and on the Eagles staff to move the opposition players foot in bounds on marginal calls so they waste challenges and burn timeouts! We need all the help we can get at home!

  • Will

    Bring a portable tv with ya and have it one persons job to watch it not Pat Shurmur who most likely has other duties…

    • DirtyWaters

      I wonder what he does…In game adjustments? note taking? making signs for other assistants to hold up?

      • Will

        Too busy to watch replays apparently…

        • Justin

          My mental image is that he was busy eating cheese fondue, or whatever the hell the signature dish of Green Bay is.

  • Justin

    As a side note, Jerry Jones said that the Cowboys firing Rob Ryan “doesn’t look good”

    • cliff henny

      had, what, 7 starters miss major parts of the season, found a couple really good replacements and they got hurt too. eagles o-line issues were matched by dallas’ defense, and they finishd middle of the pack. was a stupid firing second it happened. but was like reid’s firing castillo, was destracting fans from another issue, romo and sal cap.

  • theDude

    What in the league rules implies “the network feed is what the audience sees at home?”

    • JofreyRice

      I think meaning, it’s footage shot by the network and fed–i.e. broadcast–to the viewers at home. From the language there, there are no special cameras or angles used for reviews. They review the footage the network captures and broadcasts during the normal course of play.

      • UKEagle99

        I guess the answer here is for Pat S & Co to turn the volume up and listen to the commentary.

  • Frank

    Still not a satisfying explanation. If the feed we were getting was bad, there should be a complaint to the league.

    If it wasn’t, we need a new replay assistant.

    It’s one thing when the other team goes for a hurry up and snaps the ball quickly. In this case they had all day…

    • BlindChow

      Is there a limit to the number of people in booth? They could get an intern to sit and watch the network feed for free.

      • Brian

        I’ll travel with the Eagles to watch replays for free.

        • BrickSquadMonopoly

          No life..

          • Brian

            Period.

          • UKEagle99

            An ellipses is three (3) periods… I see you went with two (2). Is that a nervous full stop or were you unsure whether to go the whole hog and slam three (3) down there?

            Damn that Brian! No life. Period.

          • Richard Colton

            huge pet peeve for me: incorrect and/or overuse of the ellipses

          • damrvrhunter

            Down voted for trying to steal another man’s thunder…

          • pjcostello

            Mine is the lack of capital letters. :-)
            (just needling you — this IS the Internet, after all)

          • Richard Colton

            need to balance out the all-caps posters. you know who you are!

          • borntosuffer

            No life of Brian?

      • knighn

        Maybe Pat Shurmur simply couldn’t stand to listen to Joe Buck and Troy Aikman. Could you blame him?

  • BrickSquadMonopoly

    Can sum1 please make a big deal about this…Why is it being downplayed as not such a big deal? Because we won? This is borderline incompetent. And the excuses!!! HA! I expect more from Chip. Sad so sad.

    • Brian

      I down voted your comment, because your spelling of ‘someone’ is borderline incompetent. Sad. So sad.

      • BrickSquadMonopoly

        No life.

        • Brian

          Dude, That’s no excuse for poor grammar.

          • UKEagle99

            Capital after a comma, tut tut.

        • UKEagle99

          At least p**s him off on both fronts and go with “Nolife” :D

    • theycallmerob

      eh. I said this during the live chat yesterday, but I wouldn’t discount this being a simple f*ck up by Shurmur. the guy couldn’t challenge for sh!t

      http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/8877165/bill-barnwell-nfl-coaches

      • Will

        Some one other than Pat should do instant replay challenges this isn’t Pat’s first F**k UP…

      • damrvrhunter

        Great FIND!

  • mtn_green

    This is hilarious. Clay Matthews choke slammed.

    http://mobile.philly.com/blogs/?wss=/philly/blogs/red_zone/&id=231486481

    • BlindChow

      Why isn’t this a gif?

      • Chris

        Someone on here has to be artistic! sure as hell isn’t me but i’d pay. haha

        • Will

          Here’s a replay I could watch over and over for your viewing pleasure…Boykin’s pic out of the corner of the end zone run back for 76 yds….

      • Will

        here’s your gif…lol…O-Line looking good out there..

        • Mr. Wu

          haha man that is a thing of beauty

  • GEAGLE

    No point in putting all the coaching mistakes under the microphone this year because they will continue to happen. we miscalculated the adjustment period for not just a college coach, but a coach who hasn’t had to coach thru adversity all that often…Chip has to be given this year to adjust, and he needs to be given another offseason to get his guys and have the exsisting guys comfortable in his system before we will really see the best of what this man has to offer…Fortunately I think Chip is a brilliant guy, who knows that it’s a learning process for him and I’m fairly confident that he is paying close attention to his mistakes and isn’t going to repeat them often..

    He gets a free pass from me this year, but by this time next year I expect minimal mistakes from such a bright coach and I will start holding him accountable

    • cliff henny

      to say this guy has earn a long leash is an understatement. 1 player on offense, 3 on defense were changed from last yr, already more wins after 10 games.

      • GEAGLE

        YES SIR!! To show this type of improvement on the backs of so many inexperienced players both on the field and the Charecter in our locker room, is so darn impressive. he proved to hire a good coaching staff. he is proving to know how to develope young players, gave us a good year 1 FA and Draft..

        I can’t wait to see what he can do when these players get another offseason under their belt in our new system, when our young players bodies are a year older, and have another offseason worth of solid Draft and FA additions

        • pjcostello

          Great list! Add to that: First Eagles team to amass 400+ yards of offense in 8 games in a single season. :-)

    • UKEagle99

      I’ll swap you the microphone for a microscope :-) You can put the coaches mistakes under that and I’ll duet with Mylee :-D

      I don’t put this ion CK one bit. If he is going to be successful at this level he needs to continue to delegate, ala his whole DC comments, if you need to micro manage then you probably hired the wrong guy. This non call was on Pat and any assistants up there. If CK takes this and everything else on then he will be doomed, as many before him have befallen the same fate.

    • Koala

      NFL cpoaches shouldnt be in charge of challenges ever. period. EVER. So I will never blame one for “missing” a challenge. I mean how often is Mike Pereira wrong and he’s only on the sidelines.

  • Will

    The Team is at 500 baby and tied for 1st in the NFCE and 3 home games in the next 4 weeks…G-O- E-A-G-L-E-S!!! This Defense is getting Awesome each and every week…

  • Pennguino

    It was just another HOME TEAM ref call. As soon as our guy crosses the line he was held, spun around and thrown back to the LOS. NO CALL. Should have been off setting penalties. Way to many blatant missed calls in that game.

    • Will

      2 blatant facemasks I saw never called…both on Shady…Happy with the end zone catch by GB being called hit the turf though goes both ways….

  • Koala

    This is why Leaving Instant replay up to the coaches as if it’s a stupid fucking game within a game is dumb. Put a ref in the booth and let him signal if they need to look at it. That would make the refs look bad(worse) though so we can’t have that. I’m sick of the dumb little mini game. Hey ..Goodell is such a good commisioner though.

  • anon

    Earl Wolff out multiple weeks with knee injury

  • Brian

    Chip alluded to the play being on the opposite sideline. I guess the tip, that the play should be reviewed, comes from the sidelines or the defensive players nearest to the play. Shurmur is reviewing plays and relaying information to Chip, to help the play calling on the next possession, not reviewing every play. The Eagles just beat the Packers in Green Bay! We’re in a tie for first place in the NFC East! Shit happens! This is the most baiting article I’ve seen on this site, aside from the quarterback competition.

  • djack10

    shouldnt someone a little lower on the totem pole be worrying about challenges? i would think if you are a coordinator, you are a little busy to be watching replays. anyone who knows football knows when a challenge should be made.

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