Vick Expected To Sit Out Bucs Game

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Michael Vick is expected to sit out Sunday’s game against the Bucs because of a left hamstring injury, a league source confirmed.

Adam Schefter was first with the report.


At his day-after press conference, Chip Kelly said Vick is day-to-day and hasn't been ruled out.

Vick  sustained the injury in the second quarter against the Giants at the end of a  13-yard run. He stayed in for the remainder of the drive but was pulled in favor of Nick Foles early in the following series.

Foles went 16-of-25 for 197 with a pair of touchdown tosses in a 36-21 Eagles win.

"In this league I think you need two quarterbacks, and we were fortunate that we had Nick today,” said head coach Chip Kelly.

After the game, Vick said that he suffered a similar injury earlier in his career, and it forced him to sit out one week.

Assuming Vick does in fact miss this Sunday's game, Foles will  get the nod in Tampa, the site of his lone NFL win as a starter.

  • Andy124

    Can’t even wait for the MRI? lol

    • aub32

      lol right. When did teams start ruling out players with questionable injuries on Monday mornings. Kelly said last night Vick could and would have played if Foles went down.

  • Kushan Patel

    I like the ominous picture, foreshadowing the upcoming QB controversy

  • EaglePete

    well, now we see how Foles is in another game when a D gameplans for him. Also see if they can get the running game going with Foles in there and how the O line performs. It will be interesting to watch. Im not a huge Vick fan but dont think he deserved to be benched after winning the job in preseason solely based on this last Giants game. We need to see a lot more and now at least we see one more game with Foles. Even then, it may not tell us enough but that wont stop the fans from railing either way. Get your popcorn ready………for the comment threads

    • Dutch

      If Tampa Bay is smart, they will stack against the run and take away underneath routes to make Foles go over the top to beat them.

      • Broadcasting Wisdom

        I would love to see Tampa put 8 in box, playing a single high safety like KC and Denver did to shut down Vick. Plays right into Nick’s skills.

        • Dutch

          Nick skills doesn’t include going over the top. What skills have you seen that indicate he could exploit 7 in the box against the traditional Tampa two featuring Revis and Goldston?

          • Broadcasting Wisdom

            I see I have the Vick brigade of #7, Butt, and Dutch. I love how people want proof of what Foles can do when he has played in parts of three football games (2 of which only a few plays) under Kelly and has a 65% completion rate and 120 QB rating in those two games (Vick’s QB rating in those three games against the exact same defenses: 50, 83, 69, respectively). So of course there is a small sample size for Foles, but we can at least say that Vick CAN’T do what Foles did. In fact, even that amazing Redskins season opening game that everyone still clings to as proof of Vick’s prowess: 15-25, 203, 2 TDs… or in other words one completion short of the exact performance of Nick Foles in one half against the Giants.

            Foles didn’t have Jackson, McCoy, or 4/5 of his starting O-line last year. You get an unguardable weapon like Jackson, a QB like Foles (6’5, accurate, great timing) and some role players that can chip in to keep the defense honest, and you will see more of the 65% completion rate, 120 QB rating, and red zone success that Foles has given us this year. 3-4 TD conversion rate once the team gets to the 25 yard line.

            But, in exchange for the consistent, methodical drives down the field, we don’t get the explosive, highlight plays that Vick gives us. The Vick brigade like the flash; I prefer the substance.

          • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

            Missed that third quarter yesterday huh?

          • #7

            Of course

          • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

            It really is like the third never happened.

            Cracks me up.

          • Broadcasting Wisdom

            Are you guys serious or playing? I can’t tell, but you’re making the reasonable Vick supporters (of which there are many) look bad with this nonsense. Foles had 3 drives in the 3rd quarter. He was 5-10 for 62 yards, no interceptions, no TDs, one FG. Not setting world on fire, but not killing us either. Do you really want to go quarter by quarter through Vick’s season to see if he had some worse quarters than that (hint: he did).

            Here is a reasonable Vick supporter’s stance: Vick, after 12 years in the league, is not a better pocket passer than Foles is, in his 2nd season, but Vick’s ability to make plays on the ground and to throw the ball on a rope 75 yards trumps Foles’ accuracy, timing, and the resulting higher completion percentage. Instead, by trying to argue Vick can do the things Foles can in the passing game, it is the equivalent of someone saying “Foles can be just as effective running the ball as Vick!” or “Foles can throw the 60 yard bomb just as well as Vick!”

          • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

            LMAO.

            That’s reasonable?

            How many points ended up on the board in the third? I don’t think he sniffed the red zone that who quarter. But yeah 5/10 for 62 yards…WHOOPEEE!!!!

          • Broadcasting Wisdom

            3 points in the 3rd, also known as the same number that Vick scored in the first quarter and greater than or equal to Vick’s production in 8 of Vick’s 16 other quarters this year? This is why I think you must be joking, but it sounds like you are serious, which is just unfortunate.

            This would be like me saying Foles is better than Vick solely because he scored 14 points in the 4th quarter which happens to be better than any other Vick quarter this year.

          • Pennguino

            Foles is also averaging 1.7 more points per drive than Vick. A very small sample size but that may grow the rest of the season.

          • #7

            He has a chance to prove it. Nothing more Nick can want than that

          • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

            “3 points in the 3rd, also known as the same number that Vick scored in the first quarter”

            Which is exactly my point.

          • #7

            I’m giving Nick props man. And I also want the Eagles to win at the end of the day.

            Shouldn’t be a problem that people will point out the flaws of Foles. Vick gets killed on here everyday.

            I keep saying that “if Nick does well, good for him”. Did you miss that part or did you miss it purposely?

          • nicksaenz1

            Wouldn’t he have missed it either way?

          • #7

            People see what they want to see

          • #7

            Maybe people want proof because he hasn’t done anything?

            I’ve said many times. Nick can prove it on the field..and against an 0-4 team at that. The cards are stacked in his favor

        • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

          O_o

          Foles can’t throw it deep. All defenses have to do is keep the game in front of them. He’ll be punting or field goals all game – not sniffing the endzone.

          • Andy124

            Quit trolling.

          • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

            I”m trolling? Cause I pointed out that Foles can’t throw it deep? I was unaware that was a military secret.

          • Andy124

            Your use of the word can’t is clearly trolling. Especially when Foles has done exactly what you claim he can’t do repeatedly.

            Looks like he was 4/5 throwing over 20 yards yesterday.

          • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

            lol.

            Okay.

            SMH.

          • morgan c

            I guess the 30 yard beautifully lofted, high arcing, strike that Nick threw to Celek for the TD doesn’t count because you don’t like him?

          • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

            Yes. One pass. lol. Foles is a best with that deep ball now.

        • #7

          When has Nick proven that he can beat man coverage?

          • BlindChow

            This very game?

          • #7

            Two deep safeties sir. Did you watch?

          • BlindChow

            Two deep safeties doesn’t preclude man coverage.

      • nicksaenz1

        Why hasn’t an NFL team hired you to be their HC yet?

        • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

          They will play Foles the same way they play Vick…except they will be able to stop Shady (and sit on the short passes) ’cause Foles can’t run the ball. They will make Foles beat them through he air.

          • EaglePete

            now I had to watch most of the game on redzone but was getting annoyed that they werent letting Vick make some runs often enough or am I way off on that? Id see a stuffed run to shady twice in a row near the red zone so was thinking they werent letting Vick keep it enough. The read option is uselss if the QB never keeps it so ya, Foles wont help in that area. I wonder if CK can just have some more creatively designed run plays to help mix it up. I know Vick does some keepers because of course his running numbers are way up but in context.

          • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

            He’s gonna have to go to more traditional sets and let go of the zone read. Though you can still just key in on Shady since Foles can’t stretch the field.

          • morgan c

            Bring it! Less turnover prone than Vick and he’s got a big arm, so I welcome that challenge.

          • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

            Big arm?

            Really?

          • #7

            You lost me there Andy

          • nicksaenz1

            You should be his assistant

          • Pennguino

            Just like last year huh?

  • Dutch

    Sound decision. Foles should be expected to do well against the Bucs. If he can engineer two touchdown drives and put the Eagles in position to kick 3 field goals that should be more than enough for the defense to hold on to a win against Tampa Bay.

  • ftotheyu

    I wouldn’t pencil in a win yet for the Eagles this weekend. With Vick out, Tampa is going to key in on McCoy (and they have a decent defensive line), and they’re going to match Darrell Revis up with DeSean Jackson all game long. We better start utilizing our tight ends more.

    • Dutch

      I have my doubt about Revis matched up against DJax, but it’s simpler to play DJax one on one with a single safety to his side, while matching up in bump and run against the other Eagle receivers.

    • anon

      My real worry is that Goldson is going to just knock Jackson out of the game w/ one illegal hit and then we’ll be effed.

      • #7

        That dude is laying the wood. My exact thoughts too. #10 had better get his a$$ down after a catch over the middle

        • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

          He ain’t going over the middle. He was shying away from contact his game. You get to close, his a$$ is going DOWN. Eff a catch. lol

  • jabostick

    In that pic, all i can think of is Cutty from The Wire. So… Thoughtful analysis complete. Glad to have you back, comment section

    • Richard Colton

      But who would start at QB? McNulty or Stringer Bell?

      • jabostick

        Sheeeeeiiittt. Good question.

        McNulty is a loose cannon. Probably Stringer. Lester Freamon would be the wise, wily back up. All I know is that a crazy and lethal Marlo would fix our Safety woes. Bunk seems like a good Left Tackle. .

        • jabostick

          Actually, I think I remember seeing Nnamdi doing some segment like this with Dave Spadaro. Now I feel dirty/shameful

        • Richard Colton

          Marlo and Brother Mouzone as Free Safety/Strong Safety

        • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

          The Wire: The Football Team

        • Adam

          Prop Joe and Sgt. Landsman at guard, maybe Fat Face Rick to play center. Bunk at LT, whos our RT?

          • jabostick

            Frank Sobotka. He’d be a Jon Runyan type

    • theycallmerob

      Best. Comment. Thread. Ever.

    • hillbillybirdsfan

      What I see is a guy who’s totally not going to turn around when the building blows up behind him

  • Token

    People are overlooking this game I think.

    Tampa actually is playing really well on defense. Top 10 defense so far. This will be a big test for Foles and Chips offense.

    • jabostick

      I’m not overlooking it. I thought the Eagles D gets some credit with a couple of those TO’s in the 4th but, for the most part, I thought the only time the Eagles got stops were when the Giants f’ed up themselves (dumb penalties, drops, etc).

      It was nice to see Foles show that he’s willing to throw it deep (ish), because I’ve gotten too accustomed to watching him just dink and dunk everything. the threat needs to be there at least.

      But yeah, this isn’t a gimme and, with the Freeman distraction, you never know what a team will rally around.

    • anon

      I’m hoping we can stop mike glennon

      • #7

        I guess you’re being sarcastic, but I really do hope we can lol

    • B-West

      Matchup of strengths and weaknesses… Our good O vs. their good D, and their abysmal O vs. our abysmal D.

      It’ll probably be an ugly, grinder type of game. To be honest, I’d rather have the good defense in that type of game. Big test for Chip to get some points on the board, and to keep these guys focused on task all week. This seems like a classic Birds let down game sandwiched between two division rival games.

    • Pennguino

      Not overlooking at all. I expect this to be an ugly win. Top 10 Defense with a crappy offense. They are coming off of a bye so they are fresh. They just put to rest the QB saga by getting rid of Freeman. They want revenge for last year. Foles knocked them out of the playoffs on their Super Bowl celebration day. I think they’re pissed.

  • Will

    MV#7 is my QB of choice, yet if he can’t go I am confident in Foles. Chip will game plan to Foles strengths. This is gonna be a tight battle till the end. Go Eagles!

  • nicksaenz1

    Vick gets to 220lbs to help protect against the abuse he takes from his style of play, then gets hurt tweaking his hammy. Doesn’t matter what he does to avoid it, but he finds a way to get on the injury report.

    • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

      All the running he does. Hammy’s are common for wideouts and running backs. He’s up to 300+ yards in 5 games. He’s like a second string running back. lol

      • #7

        Some by design, some not. With them playing man to man with their backs turned, why not get the yards

      • nicksaenz1

        Not knockin’ it. Just pointing out facts. The man is too injury prone. I credit him for putting on a few extra lbs to help absorb hits, but if he’s not getting crushed in the pocket, this is what we get.

        Edit/Side Note: I thought the interview where he said he was up to 220 and the manner in which he said it was absolutely hilarious.

      • morgan c

        … the only problem is he’s a QUARTERback. He can run, but with the likes of Christian Ponder, Blaine Gabbert, and Brandon Weeded ahead of him in completion percentage, the whole passing thing is not working well.

        • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

          Cause completion percentage tells the whole story? SMH. Stop being simple.

        • #7

          If you’re averaging almost 10ypa completion percentage is not that big of a deal. Nick will complete a higher % of his passes because his passes are 5yds or less

  • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

    Did you just find the creepiest pic of Vick Ever? He looks like he’s stalking someone. lol

    • BlindChow

      I think someone had just asked him if he held the ball too long…

      • Andy124

        lmao

      • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

        lol

    • Andy

      That pic is awesome.

    • Dom

      It’s projects the negative stereotype that T-Mac wants us to see in Vick …a dejected ,angry ,sulking man …which is false ,but they gotta sell ad space !

    • nicksaenz1

      I’ll give credit where it’s due…. dude looks jacked in that pic

  • #7

    We cannot overlook this game or any game that we play. TB is playing well on defense and they will key on stopping McCoy and it will be on Foles to win the game.

    This will be a good test for the offense. Foles needs to come in and do his job as the backup. If he takes the job, good on him, but I think that teams will be able beat us easier….take away our best player easier, which is trouble for us.

    • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

      Unless our receivers step up it’s going to a LONG day.

  • Addicted2Mula

    If they pacc the box run to the edge. Here comes the screens we been waiting for. And lets not rule out Foles taking off on the read option. 4 or 5 yards from him running is better then none. Nobody well expect him to run it.

  • BlindChow

    Okay, so the read option is just about letting one guy on defense determine who keeps the ball, right? If that person is going after Shady every time, the QB should keep it. The other guys on the defense are supposedly accounted for by the O-Line.

    So these plays where Shady was getting dropped for a loss when Foles was in the game: was the unblocked player the one making the tackle every time? That seems unlikely. But if so, then Foles was making the wrong decision by not keeping it (assuming these were option plays). Even if Foles only gets 3-4 yards, that’s what he’s supposed to take.

    On the other hand, if any other player besides the unblocked player made the tackle, then Foles isn’t the cause of the run game’s stalling; the blame falls on the OL for not making the block. This is, of course, assuming the run plays were all run-only option calls.

    The counter to this in Foles’ case would be more play-action, because when the defense is keyed to stop the run, linebackers and safeties will turn their attention away from TE’s and WR’s. This is how Celek got deep in single-coverage on his TD. Enough plays like this and Shady should be easier to spring in the run game. At least that’s how I see it.

    • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

      You can switch up the run game with Foles – the realy problem is he’s isn’t a real threat to stretch the field, so Ds can still key in on Shady with no real worries of giving up anything in the passing game. It’s a Gabbert/Ponder type situation.

      • #7

        Damn lol. Putting the Gabbert/Ponder label on him. You’re right on the money so far, but Foles has a chance to go out and prove otherwise

        • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

          He’s not as bad as Ponder and Gabbert..just that he can’t really stretch the field and that makes opposing defenses jobs easier

      • BlindChow

        Funny you should mention that, because in rewatching the McCoy runs, I also rewatched Foles’ passes. What’s the minimum “stretch the field” type play? Say, 20 yards?

        Here’s my rundown:

        - 21 yards to Jackson (right before the end of the first half–clutch play)
        - 30 yards to Jackson (the pass interference penalty–looked like it may have been contested had Jackson not been pushed out of bounds)
        - 22 yards to Avant (maybe a 15 yard throw with some YAC)
        - 25 yard Celek TD (beautiful throw–very Vick-like)
        - 28 yards to Jackson (similar to the earlier 21-yarder)

        A couple other plays of note:

        - 20 yards to Jackson (ball right in Jackson’s hands, but he dropped it–contested catch, with CB pulling on his arm)
        - 35 yards to Cooper in end zone (OVERTHREW Cooper–Cooper had his guy beat, maybe he thought Cooper was faster?)

        So, uh, I guess he didn’t have the 56 yarder to Jackson that Vick had, but other than that I’d say he hurt the Giants plenty when throwing deep.

        • nicksaenz1

          Has to be 36 yards or more to be a stretch play, then…

          • Andy124

            This number may increase pending future data.

          • nicksaenz1

            If he connects a 43 yarder next week, stat geeks everywhere will be scrambling to reconfigure stretch play stats because at that point 44 yards will be the new requirement.

        • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

          One game. Once again. Foles hasn’t shown to be a real threat deep with any consistency. And with a defense that’s gonna sit on the short passes and key in on the run we will find very soon if that has changed.

    • anon

      Yeah i think the Giants sold out to stop the run. Doubt read option will run well with Foles, but he does have run / throw options that can be used. If we can’t run with Foles in i think it says more about the scheme / line than the QB.

      Generally the O-line has been great at run blocking but we’ll see if that’s a function of QB being a run threat.

      I am encouraged that Foles beat TB last year — hopefully that can happen again, i consider all of these games as must win.

    • BlindChow

      I just looked at some of McCoy’s carries in the 2nd half. A lot of them came at the end of the game when they were simply trying to run out the clock. These didn’t appear to be read-option. The OL just did not block well (though they were in an obvious run situation–chances are Vick wouldn’t have ket the ball in these cases anyway). Guys who were supposed to be blocked pushed through and made the tackle each time.

      There were two plays at the beginning of the 3rd which were blown up by blocked linemen. These had the look of option plays, but I wonder if they were straight handoffs. In one, there was no one in front of Foles for at least 15 yards. He could have gotten a first down without even breaking out his full 5.4 40. The 2nd was the one where Mike Patterson blew up Kelce and hit McCoy for a 6 yard loss. Vick being the game wouldn’t have slowed Patterson any. There were a couple others where the OL just didn’t hold their blocks. These appeared to all be sweeps, not between-the-tackles type runs.

      Anyway, McCoy’s 2nd-half numbers look more like OL troubles than QB troubles, at least from my cursory review. Not sure that’s any better, though…

      • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

        “McCoy’s 2nd-half numbers look more like OL troubles than QB troubles”

        Those two things aren’t mutually exclusive.

        • BlindChow

          Explain how Foles being in the game kept Kelce & Friends from making their blocks on the defensive linemen?

      • nicksaenz1

        5.4? Faster than I thought!

  • Addicted2Mula

    Just cuz of this injury caused by running. Not being stupid and taking a hit. Now wont consider him starting all 16 games. FUCC

  • cliff henny

    maybe this is the week casey starts earning that 4m. probably the running plays will be more typical in nfl nature than foles doing reads. play action fakes, casey in flat. basically the ’07-’11 washington redskins with cooley that gave Eagles fits. regardless, o-line has to block alot better, the guys tackling shady in 2nd half were accounted for, just beating blocks.

  • Pennguino

    Just last week wasn’t Kelly saying how well his Sports Science was working at keeping the soft tissue injuries away? I have to say it…
    Maybe Kelly should start putting a Smoothie in Vick’s car with the hopes he will drink it. Worked for Mora Jr right????

  • anon

    Frankly i don’t care if we don’t have a run game if they are leaving receivers wide open all day.

  • Explorer51

    I never realized that LeSean McCoy needs someone else to make him a talented runner; when did this “McCoy needs Vick to be effective” meme start? Before the seasons started, wasn’t Shady considered in the same breath as Adrian Peterson, Arian Foster, Ray Rice, etc? And if teams decide they want to take him away they will have to give something up…and that’s where the accurate passing game can make the difference. Tampa Bay has a decent defense but they aren’t the ’85 Bears…or even the 2013 KC Chiefs.

    • #7

      No one said that. Just said it makes it easier. Obviously McCoy is talented, but when the QB can “block” a defender means more space for McCoy which is what he’s best at. Operating in space.

      • BlindChow

        Except those “unblocked” defenders weren’t the ones stopping McCoy in the Giants game. It was defensive linemen who were supposed to be accounted for by the OL. The OL was just getting beat.

        • #7

          You miss the point BC. I guess this is intentional. The unblocked defender almost never makes the tackle. He’s there to be “read”. I cannot see how you don’t understand that the RO fake benefits the run game. Are you that concerned about protecting Foles? Sure looks like that is the case

          • macadood

            a lot of it wasn’t RO either in the second half.

            but i agree having vick in there opens things up more (potentially) for mccoy than with foles

          • #7

            And McCoy was completely shut down by a bad D after that. McCoy will get some yards, it will just be harder and the “running in space” element will be gone. Hopefully there will not be an injury soon. Shady between the tackles is more dangerous as far as injuries than him running in space

          • macadood

            but even in a ‘conventional’ offense Shady is a killer top-5 running back. regardless of QB.

          • #7

            Maybe so, but I like him in space better. Just my opinion

          • BlindChow

            I noticed this, too. And it’s a shame, because Foles had some wide open space on some of those McCoy losses…

          • #7

            WIIIIDEEEE open space

          • macadood

            yes, but even vick didn’t seem to be taking a lot of those up until this game at least. i feel like a lot of the calls are straight runs disguised as RO, as reported on here and other sites. but when vick starts keeping the ball more he’s certain to get hurt one way or another…

          • BlindChow

            Of course the unblocked defender doesn’t make the tackle (assuming the QB makes the correct read); that’s the point. I think we agree here. The theory is the guy spies the QB so McCoy can take off without being chased down from behind. The other 5 or 6 guys in the box are then blocked by the OL and TE’s. Usually meaning a nice gain before someone brings him down.

            But you seem to be suggesting the “read” would never bother covering Foles (too slow or whatever, not a threat to run it) so he would crash down on McCoy every time. Is this correct? People have been pointing to McCoy’s lack of yardage after Foles came into the game as evidence that it won’t work with him at QB. However, after reviewing the footage, the guys bringing McCoy down in the backfield were defensive linemen beating the OL’s blocks, not the “read” running McCoy down from behind.

            I’m just not sure how Foles can be blamed for the OL getting beaten.

          • #7

            Will be different from game to game bro. I hope for the best

          • BlindChow

            I think with Foles in the game we’ll get more standard play-action passes, which will work great if they’re overplaying our run game.

          • #7

            Nothing that any defense in the NFL will fear unfortunately. I don’t feel good about Foles playing man. I supported Vick because I believe he is the better option. I hope I’m wrong, but since you people always use Vick’s history against him, HISTORICALLY, Foles can’t throw deep. That means our best WR does not get the ball…they can cheat up now and stuff Shady.

            You people are always coming with all of these downsides of Vick starting. Nothing wrong with critiqueing Foles, right?

          • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

            “HISTORICALLY, Foles can’t throw deep”

            I’m trying to figure out why this is a controversial statement? He hasn’t shown he can consistently stretch the field. Luckily DeSean isn’t just being sent on go routes and if he’s getting open this should be a big game for him. BUT everyone knows by now none of other guys are that useful so..just double or bracket DeSean and play man on the rest. Simple.

          • #7

            Since the downfield threat of the pass is gone, we will need YAC from Jackson and our two other starters already can’t get seperation so how can they be great at YAC?

            I like getting the ball to #10 on the short game, but send him over that middle and Goldson will be ready to lay the wood. It’s going to be interesting, if I can stay awake. I can’t lie. Foles is as boring a QB as I’ve ever watched. Looks like he’s moving in a sand pit

          • Broadcasting Wisdom

            It’s not controversial, it just doesn’t add anything to the conversation, and isn’t accurate. Last year Foles had 7 completions over 25 yards, playing without the “only” deep threat on the team, since Desean Jackson was hurt, and with 4/5 O-Line starters and Lesean McCoy out. This year in 30 attempts he’s had 2 such plays, which is a solid ratio. How many deep balls has Vick completed to players not named Jackson? Because Foles has 9 the past two years in about 1/5 the attempts.

            Also, you highlight my point, that you are more concerned with the glitz and glamour of the big play potential of Vick than of the consistent game of Foles. I don’t care if I never see another 3rd and 19 miracle scramble for a first down from Vick, as long as Foles delivers sustained drives and gets us touchdowns and W’s. He could throw 4 yard passes all the way down the field if that’s what the defense is giving us.

          • #7

            “Also, you highlight my point, that you are more concerned with the glitz
            and glamour of the big play potential of Vick than of the consistent
            game of Foles.”

            No, you have it wrong sir. I know that you have to stretch the field to win in the playoffs. Dink and dunk plays into the hands of the defense. You have to be able to throw into tight windows down field and Foles has not proved that he can do that. And i don’t think that those are “razzle dazzle” plays from Vick. I could understand your point if he’s trying to be fancy or showboat, but he’s not. He makes the play and goes back to the huddle. how is that razzle dazzle? I see no dances from Vick. The man is trying to make a play and is blessed with a talent. He shouldn’t use it because he a QB? He’s got a pulled hammy, not the injury that many of you probably predicted and it wasn’t because of taking too many hits…as you guys predicted. You can be consistent all you want and I value that, but you can use Alex Smith for an example. Will not attack at all, but when the playoffs come, he will be exposed again.

            And yes, Foles puts me to sleep and not because he runs like a snail. After about 13 5yd passes in a row when #10 is wide open deep, he needs to hit that play.

          • BlindChow

            What do you mean, “You People”?

          • #7

            Lmao

          • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

            You don’t get it

            If you don’t have to account for an extra man when the Qb isn’t a threat to run…there goes you numbers advantage…there also is you extra defender(s) to stop the back.

            Run blocking becomes a bit more complicated in this scheme with Vick out of the picture. No one is accounting for Foles. They don’t have too.

    • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

      Yeah. Way to miss the point. It’s about the scheme and out lack of offensive talent. It has nothing to with how talented McCoy is.

      • Explorer51

        Sorry, I didn’t miss the point at all; you act as if “the scheme” won’t be revised now that there will be a QB change…including ways to open up space for McCoy. And don’t be surprised if Foles utilizes all the skill players more effectively in the passing game, particularly in the RZ. And please don’t dismiss others’ opinions or thoughts because they may differ from yours, thanks.

        • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

          If we still run the zone read…then keying in on McCoy becomes much easier. However, even if we run a more traditional offense, until Foles proves he can consistently stretch the field tampa will just sit on the short routes and key in on McCoy.

          Unless Foles is gonna make Coop get separation and Celek hold onto the ball I’m not sure how “effective” he is going to be with our (lack of) skills players.

          And this isn’t really about differing of thoughts. The current scheme is what allows for those wiide open running lanes. It’s why Vick is racking up the yards. You take him out, that’s one less man to defend and one more defender to defend the run.