Eagles Wake-Up Call: Red Zone Woes

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The Eagles’ offense has gained 1,835 yards in four games. That is an average of 459 yards per game, second only to the the team that just throttled them — the Broncos.

Denver only has 97 more yards total on the year, yet averages 45 points per game compared to the Eagles’ 25 points per game. The difference? The Broncos finish. Denver is coming away with a touchdown on 81 percent of its trips inside the 20. The Eagles convert only 42 percent of the time, good for 26th in the NFL.


What is going wrong?

"It's a lot of things," answered Chip Kelly. "You look at specifically [Sunday], penalties and drops, we are in the red zone, we drop the ball.  We are in the red zone or potentially in the red zone once, get a penalty.  In the red zone another time and get a penalty.

"So when we get in the red zone we talk about no sacks, no turnovers, no penalties and no drops and those are the things that are hurting us, right now it's been the penalties and it's been the drops."

Brent Celek's drop on the team's second possession of the game was a killer. The Eagles responded to Denver's first touchdown drive by mounting an attack of their own. On third-and-4 from the Broncos' 17, Michael Vick found Celek over the middle at the four and threw a perfect strike. Celek appeared to turn before he secured the catch, and the ball dropped to the ground. They had to settle for a field goal.

Later that quarter, with the Eagles set up at the Denver 13, rookie Lane Johnson was whistled for a hold. Again, the drive ended with an Alex Henery field goal.

Last year, the Eagles ranked 28th in red zone efficiency with a rate of 44 percent.There was optimism heading into the season that things would improve in that area. Kelly's teams did well in that department at Oregon (the Ducks were second in the nation in red zone scores per game last season). The new head coach would run the ball more; he brought in a pair of tight ends that could help the cause; and the offensive line was expected to be much improved.

Instead, it's been pretty ugly.

Through four games, Michael Vick is just  3-of-15 for 31 yards and one touchdown on his passes inside the opponent's 20-yard line. That's a 20 percent completion rate, and an average of 2.1 yards per attempt. Drops need to be factored in, but those are unacceptable numbers no matter how you slice it.

DeSean Jackson, meanwhile, does not have a single red-zone catch so far this season. That shouldn't come as too big of a surprise. Jackson has never been much of a red-zone target. He had only two catches inside the 20 last season. And two the year before that. He has 16 red-zone catches in all over five-plus seasons in the NFL.

As for the tight end trio of Celek, James Casey and Zach Ertz that was supposed to help the cause? Not a single red zone catch among them.

The Broncos only had 22 more total yards than the Eagles Sunday, but were 5-for-5 in the red zone compared to 2-of-5 for Kelly's squad. Both teams can move the football, but only one team is moving it where it needs to be with consistency.

WHAT YOU MISSED

Kapadia breaks down the offense's performance against Denver.

Kelly talks about the struggles of Henery and Earl Wolff's first start.

Peyton Manning sliced through Billy Davis' defense in the second half.

Vinny Curry wasn't given much of a chance to make an impact. More in Sheil's weekly snap count analysis.

If the Eagles are going to turn this thing around it will be on the back of the offense.

WHAT THEY'RE SAYING

Domo handed the Eagles' special teams an "F" for their performance Sunday in Denver.

They gave up a 105-yard kickoff return for a touchdown. They had a punt blocked for another touchdown. For the third straight game, their kicker missed a makeable field-goal attempt. It doesn't get much worse.

NFL.com's Gil Brandt lists Kelly as a top candidate to replace Lane Kiffin at USC:

It would not shock me to see Kelly, 49, leave Philadelphia after one season, especially if the Eagles have a down year. Kelly knows better than most the kind of job this is and can be. He has never been in pro football before this season, and to tell you the truth, I'm not sure he's made for it. He reminds me of Steve Spurrier and Bob Stoops; they were destined to be college coaches. Kelly is similar. Being around him a little, I know he's a rah-rah, enthusiastic guy. Guys like that don't cut it for very long in the NFL. What he did at Oregon, transforming an OK program when he got there to what it is today, is nothing short of remarkable. This one could potentially get messy because of the sanctions leveled against Oregon. Kelly received an 18-month show-cause penalty, which would make his re-entry into college football problematic, but not impossible.

COMING UP

Eagles right back to work as practice for the Giants begins.

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  • nicksaenz1

    If Kelly leaves after 1 season, Lurie is going to look like a fool. I understand the sentiment, but I think Kelly is too competitive to just be up and out like that after just one season.

    • Addicted2Mula

      Exactly. And lets be honest the season is no where over for us

    • G_WallyHunter

      Ya won’t happen. Lurie didn’t hand the guy $35 million to walk away after a year.
      I say IF he goes back (I can’t believe Gil Brandt is already talking about this, what a s$&t disturber, its 4 games into the season for C sake) then it wouldn’t be until at least year 3 when they’ve exhausted their options and had had a few years to really figure it out.
      Lurie is not handing him 28 mil dead money, that’s for sure

      • Token

        It wouldnt shock me. There are two of the best jobs in college open.

        • anon

          Hah, we’d be f*ed, but I don’t think that’s the kind of guy CK is.

          • Loke1988

            We wouldn’t be F’ed if they hired a real GM and a better coach but that aint happening so I guess your right.

          • anon

            I’m ok w/ the coach, but hear you on the GM.

        • G_WallyHunter

          That’s a good point. It would be shocking though, I think there’s probably something in the contract stating he has to stick around for at least a few years, who knows.
          Don’t think he’s getting fired, even if he goes 1-15
          LOL Lurie sinking $1 million into stadium to have the program runner walk away, as anon said, we’d be f’ed

          • nicksaenz1

            That last part was the first thing that popped in my mind. All the extras that he had Lurie fork over the cash for, and he’s out after a season? That’d be awful.

          • G_WallyHunter

            Ya just isn’t going to happen. I guarantee there are contract details preventing CK from quitting.
            Lurie brought him in to be a program builder, taking 3-5 years, any scenario where CK is not the coach next year is absurd.
            Lurie forks out $35 mil and $1 mil on stadium so that he can give CK one year with Andy’s roster? How dumb does that sound?

            Lol I don’t get what Sheridan or Brandt think… just a couple of s&*^ disturbers…

          • Token

            Lurie wouldnt have much say in the matter. Im sure the contract is structured in a certain way where he wouldnt get burned financially. But if Kelly wants to quit hes gonna quit.

            What was the $1 mil thing on the stadium everyone keeps mentioning? Im drawing a blank.

          • G_WallyHunter

            Most (if not all) coach contracts are fully guaranteed. (See Childress getting millions to sit on his ass in Minnesota, See Reid getting $4mil this year, see many other situations where the coaches get paid to work for someone else/sit on ass after being fired)

            Just before TC, Lurie and co sunk in over a million into new turf, new smoothie equipment, heart monitors, etc…
            This blog has a great article covering all the improvements somewhere back in archives there.. Early July article I think

            I would assume the contract is structure so that if CK absolutely has to quit, then Lurie doesn’t get burned.
            But I know for a fact that if Lurie fires him, then he owes him $28 million for the next 4 years.. fully guaranteed

      • Max Lightfoot

        G_Wally are ye Swedish and not Canadian? Ya? Hee hee …

        • G_WallyHunter

          Haha I wish, them Swedish girls are something else…

          • Max Lightfoot

            Ya, you betcha!

    • cliff henny

      first, kelly’s not a ship jumper. he had a ton of offers at UNH before going to Oregon. plus, kelly is pretty loyal guy, as coaches go (compared to a kiffen or patrino or meyers), cant imagine he’d do that Oregon, where they might concede his ankle get slighly wet when he walks on water. 3rd, he knew what he was getting into here, as you said, he wants to go against the best. we might as well get used to it, every college opening will have kelly’s name attached. Texas is next, nebraska isnt far behind

      • nicksaenz1

        I mean, he kind of is a ship jumper when you consider that he turned down the Eagles job only to come back to take once he got word of the sanctions.

        • cliff henny

          sanctions are so minor. think he wanted the Eagles job, but felt bad about leaving Oregon. think he was torn, he really ad the world by the short hairs up in eugene, can see how leaving there was difficult. plus, little leverage to squeeze extra 5m out of trust fund jeffy.

          • nicksaenz1

            The sanctions are minor because they were handed after he left the college ranks. They might have been a little worse had he still been there. Obviously, the 18mo thing seems like a joke now.

          • cliff henny

            ncaa is insane/joke…took them 3 yrs to get a slap on wrist, and kelly had nothing to do wth it. but god forbid they go spend time in SEC. how is ‘bama getting 5 star recruits hand over fist, and most know they wont play for 2 or 3 yrs? and these guy have been best players on best teams whole life, and now again to be bench warmers…com’on man.

          • nicksaenz1

            I don’t even want to open that can of worms. We can go on and on about the NCAA, I think we both hate it. Doesn’t change the landscape surrounding Oregon when he departed and what the sanctions came to be after he was gone. Maybe he left benevolently, but I’d have a very difficult time believing it.

          • cliff henny

            if kelly called oregon up today, said he wanted to come back…they’d move heaven and earth to make it happen and oregon fans would carry chip back to eugene

          • Token

            I dont think he would want to go back. He wanted bigger things than Oregon.

          • Token

            I think Chip wants the spotlight. Eugene is Eugene. Philly, USC, Texas are totally different animals.

        • JofreyRice

          I was thinking the same thing. I’m hoping that’s not true, because of the implications for the Eagles, but Gil Brandt is not a young writer trying to say outrageous things to make a name for himself. He’s actually been around Steve Spurrier and Bob Stoops, and is speaking from real experience.

          • Token

            USC and Texas are two of the top 5 jobs in college. It wouldnt shock me if it happened. I dont think Chip would do it, but you never know. This is a guy not used to losing. What if his offense keeps not scoring, makes him look bad?

            Who knows. I dont think it would effect the Eagles much if it did happen. There would be other guys up for HC spots next year. Ray Horton? As of now I dont see anything CK is doing that other teams are not accomplishing. If he were to leave, get the best defensive minded HC you can. Go out and get a good offensive mind to run the offense.

          • nicksaenz1

            Already have Shurmur, so Horton, or whoever would replace Chip (assuming it’s a defensive coach) may keep him around.

          • Token

            Shurmur is not very good IMO. I actually feel like his influence is already felt too much.

            You want someone completely new at OC if all this were to go down.

          • nicksaenz1

            No disagreement, although Donnie had his best years with Shurmur around.

          • Chali

            When we saw some of the Andy Reid-esque plays called, you have to wonder if it’s coming from Shurmur.

          • nicksaenz1

            It’s 50/50 at this point. Only thing that would solidify Chip sticking around is winning some ball games.

          • theycallmerob

            doesn’t make the man flawless. on this subject, it appears, he’s no better than a poor man’s ashley fox

          • JofreyRice

            I think it’s possible it could be his honest opinion. Sheridan and Fox have made the national jump pretty recently–they have more incentive to say memorable things. Gil Brandt is 80 years old, and is kind of a living legend (ugh, hate to say that about a Cowboy).

      • Andy124

        Same thing PSU fans are going through with BO’B being mentioned for every NFL opening.

        Fortunately, BO’B walks above the water so he doesn’t even get the bottom of his shoes wet.

    • Loke1988

      Which would really make me smile for a long time. You don’t think Saben is competitive?

      • nicksaenz1

        I think Saban is about his name/rep/ego first and foremost. That took a hit in the NFL, so it was back to where he could maximize it.

  • Addicted2Mula

    Drops and penalties have nothing to do CK. I know one thing he sure is missing J. Mac. Even though 1-4 sounds bad. On the bright side division still close. And we have a chance to go on a 3 game stretch. NYG , TB, Cowboys. 4-4 and 3-0 in the division

    • G_WallyHunter

      1-4?

      • BlindChow

        The Broncos beat us so bad, it counts twice.

  • Bdawkbdawk

    Tim, I doubt that this makes a huge difference, but are Vick’s throw-aways included in his 3-15 red zone stats?

    • KonsultNupe

      Good question. I was wondering the same thing. As well as how many of those passes were on 3rd and +10, or after a holding or false start penalty? I think I recall a couple of drives where we were in the red zone, and actually ended up kicking from outside of the 20. Stats without context can be misleading.

      • #7

        Exactly

    • anon

      Throwaways and drops

  • cliff henny

    kelly isnt a miracle worker, it’s the same players who had redzone problems for last 3-4 yrs, minus STJM, the best RZ threat. kelly is putting these players in better posiion to succeed than reid. at some point players have to look inward…or kelly/roseman have to start writing pink slips.

    • anon

      Not sure why not more run game. But LJ’s rz penalties have killed at least 14 points this year — and probably cost us the SD game.

      • cliff henny

        rookies make rookie mistakes, he’s not the issue, drafting garbage oline for past 3 yrs so rookie is forced to play is. d-jax, love the guy, is worthless in RZ, cooper is worthless in the stadium, mccoy seems to be spending all his energy getting them to RZ then having to sub out, celek should have been traded-blocking TEs w/ brick hands are a dime a dozen, and vick simply has issues wih smaller quick throw windows that comes w/ shortened field. now, how is any of this kelly fault-besides putting them on the field.

        • BlindChow

          A rookie mistake is one thing, but being warned “two or three times” not to line up so far off the line, yet deciding to do it anyway is just idiotic.

          • nicksaenz1

            the penalty is bs. the tackles are always lined up so far back and it’s never called. i actually never knew it was a penalty until lane was called for it.

        • Chali

          Vick made some great “smaller quick throw windows” Sunday. . . . It’s even in Sheil’s article.

  • Kevin

    Did you read the new article by Brandt and Sheridan? Apparently, Kelly is likely to leave the Eagles because he has lost the locker room and is a quitter after only 4 weeks into a program he is passionate about. He also can’t stand Philly cheese steaks. Finally, according to a source, Celek refused a bionic hand transplant and all attempts to clone Shady have failed, as well as all attempts to increase Cooper’s ability to separate.

    Rumor has it that he will resign before Christmas as he is afraid of snowballs.

  • Loke1988

    “3-of-15 for 31 yards and one touchdown on his passes inside the opponent’s 20-yard line. ”

    This is one of the most pathetic stats I’ve ever scene. Look at what Brady is doing up in NE with no Gronk, Hernandez, Welker etc etc etc. A bunch of no names and a little white guy. There is just no excuse for this. Offensive play design alone from one of the great minds (allegedly) in football should compensate for the lack of play makers. If Kelly had done the right thing and cut Vick loose to see what we have in Foles/Barkley this pressure wouldn’t be building like a kettle about to boil over. I guess you reap what you sew.

    • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

      LOL What is Brady doing:

      - You mean with his 58.9 completion percentage and his sub 50% completion percentage in the Jets game.

      - You mean the Pats D who has allowed 10/23/7/23 points

      - You mean the Pats who have beat 2 2-2 teams a 1-3 team and a 0-4 team

      But yeah, Brady is lighting it up with those scrubs.

      • Token

        Brady sucks…………

        • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

          No. But his receivers do. And they have done a good job of making him look pedestrian.

          • Token

            The Pats have never had good WRs. Brady had a elite WR for like one year and he wrote the record books. I cant think of a QB who has ever done so much with so little throughout his career.

            But yea, continue with your Brady and Vick comparison. This should be good.

          • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

            - BS on the Pats never having good WRs.

            - Name the Eagles amazing receiving core. I’ll wait. We had TO for one year and went to a superbowl. Maclin? Avant? Celek? Who?

            - I’m not making a Vick/Brady comparison…I’m pointing out that bad receivers will make even a great QB look bad. Yet somehow when our receivers drop perfectly thrown balls or are incapable of getting open, or can’t fight for a ball in tight coverage it is still somehow Vick’s fault.

            Stone hand receivers are stone hand receivers. Receivers that can’t beat man coverage are crap. They help NO QB not even first ballot hall of famers.

          • Token

            Outside of Moss im trying to think of a good outside guy the Pats have had. Especially in those SB years.

            Jackson, Maclin and Avant are a top three group thats better than a large number of NFL teams.

            This goes back to the idea some of you people have that to be a good team you must have pro bowlers across your line and a set of 3 pro bowl WRs. Its just ridiculous. Who has that? All, in the end, to excuse Vick.

            Its just kind of funny that you mock a 59% completion when your love object Vick has only topped that once in his entire career.

          • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

            “This goes back to the idea some of you people have that to be a good
            team you must have pro bowlers across your line and a set of 3 pro bowl
            WRs”

            Who said that? Way to miss the point.

            “Its just kind of funny that you mock a 59% completion when your love object Vick has only topped that once in his entire career.”

            And you KEEP missing the point. This isn’t about Vick and Brady. It’s about crap receivers. I’m not making a Vick/Brady comparison…I’m making a bad receivers comparison.

            Brady having a sub 60% completion is not indicative of Brady being a bad QB all of a sudden, but of his crap receiving core – dropped balls and such will make any QB look pedestrian.

            YET…when our receivers, as they did in this last game, do the EXACT SAME THING…it somehow is still on the QB. Still. Doesn’t matter there were at least 4 drops of perfectly thrown balls. Which is a big deal since they are rarely open to being with.

            That’s the point. I’ll say it again. Bad receivers will even make great QBs look bad. SO WHY are we shocked that our less than stellar receiving core is doing the same.

          • Kevin Pierce

            Deion Branch, Troy Brown David patten Kevin Faulk , Branch was even a SB MVp

          • #7

            Along with a HOF coach. Cannot understate how important the HC is. Look at the Saints.

            They get their HC back, and all of a sudden they’re 4-0 after going 0-4 last year.

          • #7

            BBaaS give it up. I agree with your point, but they absolutely will not agree with your point no matter how simple you make it to be. They are watching the games along with us and they see that Vick is putting the ball in their hands and they are flat out dropping it.

            What people are forgetting..since you guys are comparing Vick to Brady…is that Brady has never had to change offenses. He runs the same offense every year for his entire career while our Eagles is in the process of running a new offense and new defensive scheme and most teams struggle with that.

            Brady would too, but he’s never had to change, just had to adjust to new WRs. Not sure why you people aren’t mentioning this.

            I’m telling you, I’m not here protecting Vick. Our team and our schemes are totally different than NE’s. I would bet that if you took a poll on what a QB would want, they would all want what Brady and Manning has. Play in one offense for your entire career that fits your strengths.

            Our WRs are only “great” by name only. Technically they never really proved anything to be honest.

      • nicksaenz1

        Have you seen the drops from his rooks? You’ll criticize every one our receivers/TEs who drop the ball and come at anyone who criticizes Vick w/o taking into consideration circumstances and digging into the stats, but you can’t do it here? Nobody has suffered more drops through 4 weeks than Brady courtesy of Thompkins and Dobson. Please stop. The fact that he’s completed 59% of his passes given the stone hands he’s dealt with is miraculous.

        • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

          Um…that’s my point. Shitty receivers can even make great QBs look bad. So why are we surprised that our horrible receiving core is doing the same.

          Thanks for missing it however.

          • nicksaenz1

            You just did a really poor job of making that point.

          • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

            No I didn’t.

            The point was clear for anyone who isn’t stuck in a “Vick is horrible and he can’t get anything done and it’s all his fault that receivers can’t catch and ST cant’ play and the D can’t block” frame of mind.

            You read what you read b/c you see this convo through a very skewed lens. My point was very clear.

          • nicksaenz1

            It really wasn’t. You haven’t seen me blame Vick for much of anything that’s gone wrong during the season outside of his share of the mistakes from the Chiefs game. Keep up with the Vick Apologist routine, but it doesn’t apply here. You just did a really bad job at making the intent of your point known.

          • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

            Vick apologist?

            Please. You jumped down my throat trying to make a point I wasn’t making cause of your own biases. Spare me.

          • nicksaenz1

            Yes, you’re a Vick apologist….. What biases? Please enlighten me. I haven’t really been critical of Vick since he won the job.

          • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

            Your types think anyone who doesn’t immediately seek to find problems with QB regardless of what else happened is an “apologist.”

            Please.

          • nicksaenz1

            Generalize much? You keep defending any and all criticisms of Vick, even the ones that didn’t really happen. I’ll keep watching the games and understand that this is a team that’s not very good overall, is in need of Maclin, has an under-performing line, and has an awful D scheme. Vick the least of the problems. But, by all means, please continue to defend against the phantom attacks on Vick.

          • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

            LOL.

            Says the guy who jumped down my throat ’cause he didn’t understand what I wrote in the first place which was a direct response to someone who was making a comparison that wasn’t even accurate.

            My original comment wasn’t even about defending Vick…it was pointing out the stupidity of saying how great Brady is doing with scrub wide receivers when clearly that’s not the case.

          • nicksaenz1

            But he is doing great, all things considered. That’s the point. His rookies have dropped more than our vets yet Brady has completed 59% of his passes. That’s not exactly unimpressive.
            What wasn’t accurate about his statement?

      • Loke1988

        4-0 dude take off your green tinted glasses.

        • theycallmerob

          that’s a pretty simple argument. of course, you completely ignored how much better their defense is, the crappy teams they played, and having one of the best QB and HC pairings of all-time who have implemented a system over a decade?
          Apples and hand grenades. No comparison

          • #7

            And Talib is BALLIN

          • Loke1988

            No comparison my arse. Stop making excuses for this so called organization. Point is Brady is making it happen with no names on offense so stop making excuses for Vick. And that pairing you speak of hasn’t won crizzap since they were caught cheating. And as far as the defense maybe, just maybe if Chip ate a little clock the D wouldn’t be on the field for 40 plus minutes a game? You homers are the minority, the rest of us see this ship is sinking fast. I just hang here to keep you guys in perspective. That and it’s a lot of fun.

          • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

            Where is he making it happen?

            with the under 50% completion percentage with the Jets? Or his sub 60% completion percentage?

            So the D that only allowed 7/23/10/23 points has nothing to do with it? Or the 1-3/2-2/2-2/0-4 teams he’s played? Nothing huh?

            Just Brady – cause you know our defense (and ST) has given up 27/33/27/52 points. And we’ve played 1-3/2-2/4-0/4-0 teams.

            But yeah…Brady’s having a GREAT time with his scrub receivers.

      • #7

        Lmao

    • #7

      Wouldn’t have made a difference bro

      • nicksaenz1

        You’re likely right, but it would have tempered expectations a little more. Worst thing that happened for Chip and the team was that first half against Washington when everyone thought Washington was a great team….until they went 0-4, obviously.

        • #7

          Are you sure about that? It would have for me, but if you let your boy Token tell it, and numerous others, ya’ll thought Foles could beat Vick lol. Wow.

          This season is still alive (barely). Schedule is in our favor on paper. We just have to go do it. If we lose to the gi-aints, I don’t even want to think about it.

          • nicksaenz1

            Foles beating Vick doesn’t equate to what you’re saying. We all thought Vick was just done. Foles winning the competition wasn’t ever meant to mean that we were going to be competitive. Most of us thought that with Vick at the helm that there would be a lot of hype because it’s Vick (a point that’s so far true) but that ultimately it would end in failure because of him (a point that’s not true, so far). That was my belief. However, we’re on the brink of another wasted season. That said, if we fall to say 2-6 or something like that, basically out of contention, and Vick’s still healthy, I bench him. Not because of him, but because you let him stay healthy for his next deal and see what’s there in Foles or Barkley. Just my thoughts if I were in Chip’s shoes and that situation arises. Hoping it doesn’t have to.

  • Stuart Philp

    You take away the ST mistakes, penalties (8-62 compared to 2-25 for Denver) and give the Eagles 7 points for each RZ trip and suddenly this game is interesting.

    The difference between the Eagles and the Broncos is the Broncos don’t make mistakes. Good teams don’t make mistakes.

    If the Eagles clean up these issues and figure out how to convert all the yards they rack up into TDs, they can win the division. The schedule looks manageable, the opportunity is there…

  • #7

    Man that would be crazy if we got Petrino’d by Kelly

  • Andy124

    The offense is indeed racking up plenty of yards. I think we’ll see some progression to the mean in terms of points per yard. As bad as the Giants are playing, the Eagles should easily put up 30+ and walk away with a win. If they don’t, imo, season’s over.

    • Token

      Yardage in the NFL IMO means very little. Between the 20′s isnt where you win games. If the offense cant improve in the redzone it isnt gonna work.

      • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

        The yards mean a lot actually. It shows it’s not a scheme issue but a personnel one. The penalties alone are killing them without the drops.

        • Always Hopeful

          I thinks that’s the disconcerting thing: really can’t change personnel that much now.

          Really thought we’d see more EFFECTIVE run plays in the RZ. They don’t have the traditional road grader type O-line to run, and the opponent knows they are going to run yet they can’t stop it.

          Oh, well…creativity and smoke and mirrors in the RZ or 40 yard TD passes to DJack all season :-)

        • Token

          I dont agree. Look at the top ten in yards per game. Theres probably 2 elite teams on that list. Yardage just doesnt mean much. Points do.

          A scheme can work perfectly well in between the 20′s and not work in the redzone. Eagles rely a lot on outside runs that work way better outside of the redzone for example.

          Penalties are part of coaching too. Discipline.

          • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

            Yardage means much in this context ’cause their issues aren’t their inability to move the ball. Their issue is a lack of players who don’t work well in tight spaces.

            Give us a big receiver who can make catches and all of a sudden it’s a diff ballgame. How about an RB that can do the dirty work…Shady is great, but best in space, I think Polk can be that dude, we will see.

          • Token

            I think with the way most Ds are playing now, theres a lot of teams that are perfectly fine with allowing you to gain yards outside the redzone. Especially in our case we are coming from behind often. We cant act like there hasnt been a fair share of failed drives when things still mattered in games.

            Im all for banging it in the redzone, trying Polk or whatever. But generally thats not Chips scheme. We tend to be a more outside running team. Think it was the same at Oregon.

          • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

            “I think with the way most Ds are playing now, theres a lot of teams that
            are perfectly fine with allowing you to gain yards outside the redzone.”

            No one said that. But this is STILL a personnel issue. How many times we get to the RZ and get called back ’cause of some dumb penalty. Drops? Those aren’t scheme issues. Those are personnel issues.

          • EaglePete

            I recall a recent Eagles defense that used the term bend but dont break that did very well with that strategy.

          • EaglePete

            how does this comment get a negative mark, ridiculous. I said same thing yest, you have to score in the red zone, between the 20s is just pretty statistics. This is no secret, been that way forever. Bronco fans used to complain about this all the time with Orton, great between the 20s terrible in red zone.

          • nicksaenz1

            Your definition of elite teams may be different than mine, so I’ll look at teams that have been in contention for the past few years… 1. Denver, 3. NO, 4. Houston, 6. Atlanta, 10. NE. That’s 5 in the top 10. So it matters at least a little more than the credit you’re willing to give it.

        • cliff henny

          yup…kelly calls great play, isolates shady on shallow cross, goes for 70 to 5…brown replaces him and run backwards 5 yards when trying to bounce run outside that has no business going there…that’s on players

          • #7

            BB still runs like he’s in college. Always bouncing to the outside ala Reggie Bush when he first came in league. Now Bush runs between the tackles and he’s dominating

        • Andy124

          Yardage in the NFL IMO means very little.
          The yards mean a lot actually.
          How much does anyone want to bet the truth lies somewhere in the middle?

          • theycallmerob

            Live free, or die hard.

        • anon

          We gain a lot of yards b/c we’re always starting from our own 20. It’s not like we’re getting great field position which would mean fewer yds to points.

  • EaglePete

    Brees looked amazing in the red zone. Well everywhere really, abused that decent D. Graham is just sick, its not fair.

    • Loke1988

      It’s amazing how a mind can compensate for things like lack of height and speed/athleticism.

      • #7

        You keep alluding to “smarts” and “a mind”. First you do not survive in the NFL as a Starter for 11 years or whatever without having “smarts”.

        You can’t fake being an NFL QB.

        Brees…those guys catch everything over there. The ball hits our guys in the hands and its a drop and the Philly fans (who are supposed to be some of the most knowledgeable fans in the NFL) says that’s the QBs fault. Celek could be all alone in the EZ and we all would be afraid that he would drop it. Be honest man, you know you would. Every time a pass is heading Celek’s way I expect the ball to bounce off of his hands for an INT.

        I see where you’re going with your “mind” comment and it can be taken a whole bunch of ways…

        • Loke1988

          First off with a screen name like yours it’s obvious your a Vick fan so how can one expect you to be objective. That’s said I bet he has a hard time reading Dr Souse to his kids met alone a defense. You homer fans on the blog really crack me up.

          • #7

            Last time I checked, people can use whatever handle they wanted. You the blog police now?

          • Loke1988

            No but when you choose his number as your name it’s obvious your one of his fanboys.

          • Loke1988

            Oh and by the way. I was just at a popular Philly based establishment with multiple locations and was talking to the bartender about your boy 7. She was telling me about the time he came in for some take out and that he asked for her number. When she told him no and that she had a boyfriend he said “But Im Michael Vick and then quickly stiffed her a left. What a guy to look up to…

          • #7

            Ok…. what does that have to do with football

          • Loke1988

            IDK The character of your
            starting quarterback combined with his ineptitude?

          • #7

            Zzzzzzz

          • nicksaenz1

            If you’re going to make fun of a guy for not being able to read Dr. Seuss, make sure you spell Seuss correctly.

          • Loke1988

            Oh you got me there NOT!

          • nicksaenz1

            Yes! I love “not!” jokes!….. NOT!

            See what I did there?

      • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

        Can it account for receivers not catching the ball?

  • EaglePete

    The only way to win with a mediocre QB in this league is with a stellar D. I wonder, since its very hard to draft/find a top 10 QB, should a smarter strategy be to draft just a ton defensive guys and in a few yrs at least have a stout D that keeps you in games. Im not saying ignore the QB, weve seen how that doesnt work but in terms of a rebuilding team as a draft strategy. I know 3rd and 4th rd QBs and kickers isnt the smartest strategy.

    • anon

      D is only good as the scheme.

  • anon

    Cinci just signed Mike Boley — former giant. According to roto He had 92 tackles and three interceptions in 16 games (11 starts) for
    the Giants in 2012, but went unsigned this offseason due to off-field
    issues.

    Sounds like an LB with cover skills, anyone know if we took a look?

    • EaglePete

      there are no players out on the street. According to our GM we have plenty of depth and the results speak for themselves

      • nicksaenz1

        I read your post before reading who wrote it and immediately thought it was the dude with the Howieburger Helper name.

        • EaglePete

          ya where is that guy, I thought he had a great thing going there.

    • #7

      Hell no we didn’t. We just let everyone walk right past us

  • SeaDucks

    Wow, seriously I don’t get it. What an instant gratification Ritalin plagued world we live in. CK inherited a 79 Pinto, and he’s supposed to compete in Nascar after 4 races? That he has won any at all is encouraging. Unbelievable that article about Chip being a Hoorah College high energy booster type. That is Pete Carroll, not Chip Kelly. Ck is about as level headed and composed of a coach you will find anywhere. Is he intense and energetic, sure. Fluffy and flowery- Not even close.

    So here’s my take on the Offense. The Eagles have the second most yardage in the NFL, behind Denver. That is a result of Good coaching and schemes putting guys with less then average skill in places to make better then average plays. Lot’s of yardage from effective schemes. Until the Red Zone. At that point the field tightens up, and someone has to be a playmaker, but we really don’t have any- Other then MV, and The’Sean pair. Put you’re whole defense on those 3 in tight quarters, and not a play call in this Galaxy can account for lack of balance at skill positions. How many dropped passes have we had in the Red zone? or stuffed Running plays. Again, cover Jackson and McCoy, and who else on the O can make a play?

    Chip is getting just hammered, but yet why was AR let go? AR failing here, and succeeding in KC must be because Chip Kelly is a failure, NOTHING to do with personnel inherited. Unbelievable.

    • anon

      I think the gripe of most people (aside from those hating the QB) is that the personnel isnt here — there’s not really a good excuse. I thinking CK is doing a good job taking us from where we were last year.

    • EaglePete

      hes not getting that hammered. Its just instant reaction from playing the juggernaut donkeys. This team has the next 6 games to show something then the real heat will come down if things arent working. I totally agree on the player front, it just seemed much more creative in preseason but then, thats preseason. I want to see more Ertz, Im so sick of watching Celek, done with that guy and his average everything. This Giants team is playing for their season, that is no easy task. If they lose but show up on offense at least I think it will be a mixed reaction but if they flounder again uh oh. You think this is bad. Losing to 0-4 gmen will be something to behold ha. Howie is more under the gun since the roster is on him (at least partially per Reid thing).

  • anon

    Skins just released John Potter — perfect below 50yds (0-1 above 50 yds). Should at least push Henery

  • BleedGreenJames

    This whole team is Roseman’s fault. Can’t believe that clown is still the GM. Absolutely no eye for defensive talent.

    • #7

      He’s allowed unlimited chances so there no need to complain about it.

  • Adam

    Not entirely RZ. If you take out the 3 special teams TDs denver has they are “only” scoring 39.5 points a game. Eagles 25 a game isn’t quite as far off. Then account for the fact that Denver got to play the worthless PHI and NYG defenses so far. Not like they are gonna score 81% of RZ drives the rest of the year. Still doesn’t make the Eagles RZ performance good though.

    Anyway, makes little sense to be upset with the Eagles offense. If you look at the offense only scoring stats, they’re one of the best handful of teams so far (tied for #6 in offensive TDs, tied for #3 in FG attempted). With some minor improvements on the drops, penalties and missed FG’s, they could easily have a lot more points. But that’s been the story the last few years. Too many stupid mistakes kill games.

    Obviously the real problem is the defense. If they could improve so that they were merely crappy instead of horrendous, they would be a pretty good team. Makes no sense to just accept that the defense is gonna give up 30 and demand that the offense be perfect and score 40.

    • #7

      Couldn’t agree more

    • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

      That basically sums it up…

  • Chali

    How often have the TE’s been used together?? We only seen 3-4 TE sets in the pre-season. Casey doesn’t get much snap counts, so I’m confused how they are used much in the red zone. I don’t see how often the TE’s are used int he RZ. I did see, however, a few fades to DJax which had me scratching my head in the Chiefs game. Even Foles threw a fade to DJax when Vick was taken out int he Chargers game for that one play. I don’t really see TE sets for RZ and thats mind boggling.

    • anon

      The ball just bounces of the TEs gotta get that fixed.

  • anon

    Rams re-sign OLB Jo-Lonn Dunbar. Last year 114 tackles, 4.5 sacks, 2 pick. Granted he did have a 4 game PED suspension, but he’s also probably playing for no money.

    Someone commented that we’re tanking for a QB — gotta think that’s the case.

    • #7

      I saw that SMH. I don’t care if he’s smoking meth. We should have at least tried to sign him. WTH is wrong with Howie “1,000 Chances” Roseman?

    • BleedGreenJames

      If we are tanking then I can’t really be upset. I want the Eagles to win as bad as anyone, but we’re not going to re-establish the Eagles as a winning franchise if we go 8-8, maybe win the division, get crushed in the playoffs, and miss out on the top talents at QB in the draft with Vick going on 34 and Foles & Barkley being nothing more than backups.

      Chip is going to need all 5 years, at least 3. I gotta say, though, the sooner Howie Roseman is gone, the better for this team.

  • Addicted2Mula

    We need another speedy WR to replace slow ass cooper on some plays