Decision-Time Nearing For Chip Kelly

0V3J7250The first question to Chip Kelly following Thursday’s preseason win over the Panthers:

Chip, after tonight, how do you tell Michael Vick he isn’t your starting quarterback?

“That’s a good question,” Kelly responded. “I thought Mike put another good game together. But we’re going to evaluate everything. I thought besides the throwaway that Nick [Foles] couldn’t get out of the end zone he did a nice job, too. I think we have two quarterbacks that can play in an NFL game.”

But only one can start. And after two preseason games, Vick has made the better case for why he should be the guy.

Kelly did not give any hints as to when he will name his starting quarterback. He has maintained that he will not make any rash decisions. But we’re now approaching the third preseason game, which is a dress rehearsal of sorts. Ideally, you want your leader in place.

“I think there comes a point where somebody has to start taking more reps,” said Vick, “but that is totally up to Coach Kelly and what he decides on.”

Vick is 13-of-15 for 199 yards with a touchdown and an interception so far this preseason. His lone blemish came on a Hail Mary pass in the waning moments of the first half against Carolina Thursday.

“He was 8-for-8 until he threw the Hail Mary at the end of the first half. So I thought Mike, again, two weeks in a row I thought he’s made very, very good decisions,” said Kelly. “I think he can put the ball on people, and obviously, he’s a weapon when he takes off and runs.”

 

Foles is 11-of-14 for 96 yards with a rushing touchdown, an interception and a lost fumble. He has led four drives thus far. Half have resulted in touchdowns, the other half turnovers. Kelly praised Foles for his play, and said that both quarterbacks are making this decision difficult for him.

“Going through this competition I learned a lot about myself and I have to keep pushing, working hard,” said Foles. “I have always said Mike and I have a great relationship. That has been a  great deal and I am always happy to see him do well out there.”

We are just over three weeks away from the regular-season opener against the Redskins and officially, the starting job remains open. As Kelly pointed out, the offense has looked good with both of signal-callers at the helm. It’s just looked better with Vick, who seems to have taken to his new coach.

“I’m having fun playing football and I fell in love with the game again and I am thankful for that,” said Vick. “You’ve got to play this game with intense passion and purpose  and I thank Coach Kelly for what he has done for me and that’s just giving me that confidence that I felt like I was losing at some point in my career. You just have to keep working hard and when you do that you get the results that you want. But can’t be satisfied with this performance tonight, it’s a long season and we have a lot of work to do and I understand that I can’t lose sight of that.”

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  • jon h

    If history tells us anything, it’s that Vick will have a difficult time playing all 16 games in a season, so the odds are that Foles will start at some point during the year.

  • ReggieKush

    Vick! ..don’t get me wrong Foles did play well. Im confident enough to know if Vick goes down in the fourth we don’t have to deal with Mike Kafka coming in to save the day

  • from Afganistan

    Can anyone get the numbers on how many times Vic has dropped back against a blitz this preseason?

    • bentheimmigrant

      If you go back to the beginning of last season, he had actually improved against the blitz significantly. So hopefully that’ll continue. With Kelly’s style, Vick should have the options to throw it quick on every play.
      I’m still not sure I trust him to be the quick throw QB that we need, but it looks like we better get ready to give him another chance.

  • Jack Waggoner

    I thought Vick was 60% to be the game 1 regular season starter going into TC, 70% after last Friday, and probably 85% now.

  • Justin

    I wonder how many people who wanted Vick to be benched/cut these last two seasons are now cheering his name.

    • CJ

      it was never personal. it was the opinion of some about what’s best for the team. Still don’t think Vick is the long term option, and if this is truly a rebuilding year, it makes more sense to see what the kids can do as opposed to slapping a bandaid on the position. Many Foles supporters have stated all along, they’ll support Vick if he’s the starter, because we’re Eagles fans first and foremost. This isn’t breaking news, it’s been all over these boards. There’s no hypocrisy here.

      That said, Vick has without question emerged as the better QB in the preseason, and a leader, on this team, and there is no doubt he deserves to start the year. Whether it makes sense or not in terms of where the team is, is irrelevant because he earned it. Still skeptical as to whether he starts all 16 (injury or the team just is out of it and they then want to see what the kids have), but there’s no question he deserves to start the year.

      • EaglePete

        Thank you, its so obvious this is the case and its more about the long term even than this season. Vick fans are ridiculous, their boy took so much heat for sucking so bad, now they cant wait for the “I told you sos” after a bit of preseason. Hold onto your hats folks, reg season will paint the picture. What if its 8-8 and Vick plays fairly well, where does that leave the team? The scheme is working wonders so far which lends itself to the “its all Andys fault” mantra as well. I still have issues with the head first slide, the escaping pocket and waiting for the wr to get open and the outs to Djax. All that stuff was there before also, I need to see a lot more from Vick still. Some 3rd and longs, more timing throws and handling different defensive looks. They need to name him the starter to get more reps.

        • #7

          That’s funny. If Foles had won your posts would be a lot different. Vick fans are “rediculous”…because we want him to win?

          Whats wrong with that? You wanted Foles to win didn’t you? When was Vick supposed to win the job? During the season? Please let us 4 “rediculous” Vick fans know when he should have won the job

          Vick beat Foles straight up.

          • CJ

            He did. But what’s the point? It prolongs the inevitable. Do you really think Vick is winning a superbowl here in the next 3 years? Short of that, what’s the harm in stinking now, drafting Bridgewater, and having Kick and Kelly groom a young QB that actually fits this system?

    • #7

      They’d be too scared to admit it

  • JTR

    I was 100% in for the qb competition, make them earn it. Through two preseason games Foles has shown he can run this offense. But, just on the eye test the offense looks hectic with foles at qb, and foles looks hectic in the pocket. The offense looks controlled, despite the pace, with Vick at the helm. Watch both qb’s stand in the pocket and its obvious: Vick has won the competition.

  • Joethomas215

    Vick is clearly playing the position at a higher level, for better or worse. I just hope one competitive year doesn’t cost us a decade of mediocrity

  • PsychoPathetic1

    I want to see Vick slide at some point during the PS. I want to see if Kelly can at least teach him to do that. If not then I will lose faith in Kelly.

  • #7

    Gained some respect for Foles. He can play in this league if he will just let the ball go like he did when he was lighting it up in shorts. Foles can step in if needed and this competition has made him a better QB

  • #7

    People are getting a little upset with me and that’s understandable since their guy got Beat. It’s a shame that they do not notice that I’m giving Foles his props.

    I was exactly right. I knew that as soon as Vick won this job the excuses and minimizing would come out. You guys are already talking about the draft LMAO. Some fans you are…

    You said he was old and washed up, yet he looked fast to me on those scrambles while it took Foles 15 minutes to run 10 yards.

    You said he wasn’t accurate, yet he has 2 incompletions all preseason completing 86.7%. QB rating 113 to Foles 65

    The offense is more dynamic with Vick at the helm. Vick won.

    THEN, you people say “oh..it’s only preseason”. When were they supposed to compete for the job? I guess you wanted Foles to win the job when he was lighting it up in shorts I guess. I could go on and on, but it’s pretty disappointing that you people are minimizing what Vick accomplished.. being a washed up 33 year old and you still call yourselves “fans”. You should support the team. i can’t speak for the other 4 Vick supporters on here, but if Foles was good enough and won the job, I have zero problem giving credit.

    I’m just glad that you got that mouth slammed shut. Can’t wait till Sept 9

    • Eagles4Life

      And the “vanilla defense” argument is amusing as well. “Oh, it’s preseason.” “They’re not blitzing Vick.” Well, buddy, if Foles isn’t hacking it against VANILLA, what does that say? Lol. Some of these Foles supporters are looney.

  • KimbaFuzz

    NFLN had the clock running… and Vick was snapping the ball at 13 and 18 seconds between downs. Foles was going at 22 seconds. Both really fast. but Vick was actually much faster. But I’ll admit that when watching live, it didn’t seem that way. But the clock doesn’t lie.

  • Ty

    numbers never lie

  • Token

    Did they do that for Barkley? If I had to guess it looked like he not only ran the offense faster but gets the ball out way quicker than the other two. Problem is, he stinks.

  • Richard Colton

    that could explain away 2012, but not late 2010 or 2011. Peters was an all pro in 2011 and Shady scored 20 TDs behind that line. The line was good.

    MV had a bad 2011 and 2012. Before I get too excited about how great he looks in preseason, I think back to how great he looked for that 5 game span in 2010. After that, teams figured him out and he/andy/marty didn’t adjust.

  • Warhound

    Just an aside: by the end of his time here I think that Andy wasn’t running the “West Coast” (ironically, invented in Ohio) offense anymore (if he ever was). One of the main traits of the WC was getting the ball out quickly before pressure could get to the QB.

  • hawaiieagesfan

    I agree Foles and Vick are not fragile qbs. My point was that behind that o line we had last year even Bret Farve would have gotten injured. Remember when everyone wanted Kolb to start? Seriously?

  • CJ

    Kolb isn’t fragile, he got hurt the other week WALKING ON TO THE PRACTICE FIELD! That’s not fragile. That’s like

    Tough………………………………..Fragile……………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………..Kolb.

  • cliff henny

    certainly looks like kelly can adjust. mean, any, some, would be more than Reid! vick is a much different qb when he can lean on running game. it makes all qbs better, but vick even moreso. gives him extra time, allows him to get out of pocket with ease too. think defenses figured out reid, as much as they figured out vick. just knew no matter how well we were running, it wouldnt last. just keep blitzing vick, might get couple runs popped on you, but it wouldnt last.
    .
    but MV has got to learn to slide, or at lest dive head first 3 or 4 yds earlier. refs will blow play dead.

  • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

    2011 was a good run blocking unit (hence Shady’s big year) NOT a pass blocking unit – and they were HORRIBLE at the beginning of the year. They got better as the year progressed and STILL Vick had the team in a position to win – 2011 wasn’t a bad football year for Vick.

    “After that, teams figured him out and he/andy/marty didn’t adjust.”

    Yeah..they figure him out so much our divisional rivals have been kicking our a$$…Oh wait…

  • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

    Let’s focus on this year and be happy about this year.

  • Warhound

    I’m hoping that was on Andy and MM.

  • hawaiieaglesfan

    What the defenses did was cover deep and blitz heavily because they knew Reid would pass 90% of the time. Vick did not checkdown very well. By the way they defended mcnab the same way

  • Richard Colton

    agreed. Vick looked great last night. Foles looked good, but I thought he held the ball too long and was a little indecisive. Foles looked like an NFL starter, Vick looked like an NFL star.

    glass half empty department, haven’t we seen this movie before?

  • Richard Colton

    I admire the cheerfull way you pile up excuses for him, but Vick didn’t play well in 2011 and 2012. be honest about it and you’ll feel better.

  • CJ

    a million more periods…………………………….then kolb.

  • Richard Colton

    if they’re smart, Shady.

  • #7

    NFL players already knew Vick was going to win

  • Richard Colton

    I think the word you’re looking for is “Gramática-esque”

  • Bdawk20

    You’d be foolish to think Vick will not turn the ball over. Vick made throws when guys were open, Foles threw guys open and put the ball where it needs to be when the guy was covered. Foles made throws under pressure, Vick did not have much pressure. And, to Ty, numbers always lie in sports because they do not account for context. (ie padding stats when your team is down 30 And you throw the ball a million times, or a QB throwing for an 80 yd td on a rb screen when the ball went 5 yds in the air).

  • CJ

    and head first or not, I cheered when he slid last night. that’s progress.

  • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

    Sigh.

    - Football Outsiders had him tanked at #11 in 2011
    - Another one of the major football sites had him ranked at 12

    2011 wasn’t bad QBing – not good enough to over come all the deficiencies on the team. But not bad either.

    If you were honest with yourself about that maybe you’d feel better.

  • hawaiieaglefan

    LMFAO!!!

  • #7

    Give it up bro. Foles got smashed.

    Support the team no matter who the QB is as you would want me to do

  • Bdawk20

    Foles didn’t get smashed, but if that helps you win your argument…

  • Bdawk20

    They didn’t. I was giving examples of how numbers lie, but you obviously are not intelligent enough to comprehend.

  • Bdawk20
  • Bdawk20

    Your math is off. Besides the QB throws to the TE’s if I remember correctly, but you don’t seem to account for that on Vick’s 3 plays for 50 yards. Did Vick throw to himself?

  • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

    I understand. It’s hard to let go of one’s preconceived notions. This too shall pass. Just be happy the team has potential for a pretty good year.

  • #7

    There it is

  • CJ

    You literally have 3 years until Vick’s speed is a liability instead of an asset. If you don’t at least think you have a chance to win a Super Bowl before then, it’s time to move on. If you think you have a chance to win, that’s fine. I don’t. And I’d much rather you be right than I if you truly feel that way.

    I just feel the D is still too far off and some key pieces will be too old before this team is ready and it’s best to stink now and get it over with than be mediocre for years. i’m tired of good enough and one and done. This fanbase deserves a superbowl, and it’s been my opinion that Vick remaining as the starter prolongs that process. Not because he stinks. He clearly doesn’t. Because by the time this team will be ready, he’ll be a shell of himself.

    If you disagree, that’s fine. Just trying to show you there’s another perspective here other than “all yous guys thought Foles was awesome LMAO what now?”. Uh….not really, but you can change the narrative now if you’d like to make yourself feel good.

  • CJ

    See, you’re numb. Good enough is the enemy of great. I’m not saying Bridgewater is better. But let’s read 3 words from my post and then make assumptions. That’s always fun!

    reedin comprenshun iz fur lozerz neways amirite?

  • #7

    I get your point. the bottom line is you don’t know and i don’t know. That’s why they play. If you knew what was going to happen or when a player declines..maybe you should be working in a front office somewhere.

    One thing that hasn’t went away is Vick’ arm, which is as good as it’s ever been. There you go stereotyping. You think that all Vick can do is run…think that he can’t win from the pocket.

    That’s fine bro, have your opinion, but we will see won’t we? After all, he did win the job.

  • CJ

    Put it this way, if you really think the Eagles have a shot to win it all in the next 3 years with Vick at the helm, they’re totally doing the right think. Short of that, I just don’t think it’s worth it. We’ve seen good for 14 years and I want more. Maybe I’m being greedy.

    It’s too easy for Philly fans to be gets used to losing. Other than 08, every season for every major sport for some people on this board’s freaking lifetimes has ended with a loss or a failure to even make the postseason. It’s easy to be dumb. Hell, we’re so numb, some people actually wanted Reid to stay! If 10-6 and a first round exit is good enough for you, go root for the Chiefs, they’ll be good at that the next 14 years. I want a parade. I can’t wrap my head around why you can’t wrap your head around that.

  • #7

    You make it seem like it’s a gurantee that everything will line up and you’ll get him. our team is better than 1-15 even with Foles starting

  • #7

    I know right? As soon as one of us mentions 2010, they start yapping, yet they constantly bring up 2011 and 2012

  • #7

    Please CJ, please tell me how you automatically know how many games we’re going to win and lose with us not even playing a game? not being funny here. i really want to know

  • EaglePete

    Because 7 is not a Philly fan, hes a vick/eagles fan. Outsiders dont understand what us die hards have been through, they cant know that. All your posts are spot on and I agree fully. This is why I was so angry bringing Vick back into the fold. The bar is now set at “win it all” or whats the point with a mediocre to maybe a bit better Vick. To be honest, the Vick fans have changed my mind slightly for the simple fact of “the best man” wins and you do play for the season. That being said, I wont change my expectations, fair or unfair because of exactly what you are saying.

  • Joethomas215

    Look Marcus don’t knock the fans for wanting to know Whether we have a Kong term solution at Qb on the roster, as opposed to a guy at the end of his career who couldn’t get us past the 1st round in his best season. Vick isn’t long term and that’s a problem

  • #7

    That’s your only way to come back at me is to say I’m a Vick fan lol. Anyone that is a fan of Vick can’t possibly be a fan of the Eagles, right CJ?

    Well why in the hell do I have these Cunningham, Reggie White, and McNabb jerseys and my son sleeps in eagles gear and drinks his milk out of eagles bottles?

    Yet according to you, CJ, there’s no way possible that i can be a fan of the Eagles since I support Vick and want the best chance to win this year.

    Oh, and since I answered your questions please answer one of mine. Howie Roseman who we all know as the GM of the team, why did he not cut Vick? Why did he, as the GM of the team, not want to rebuild..excuse me..retool like you and your Foles friends want to?

  • #7

    Ah…CJ is a spelling bee champion now lol.

    Thanks for your critique sir

  • #7

    Just don’t watch CJ. It’s not a hard problem to solve

  • Eagles4Life

    LOL you’re high as a kite, man. Have you ever played organized football?

  • #7

    ????

  • Richard Colton

    a lot of excuse making here for years of wasted talent. the Vick-pologists should start planning the 2013 excuses early – need to have them in place by April.
    here are a few for free, because Im in a giving mood.
    - Vick looked great before the (insert injury)
    - everyone knows it takes two full years to thrive in CK’s system
    - Vick didn’t have Maclin in 2013, of course he couldn’t succeed
    - with a 31 year old Jason Peters and 30 year old Todd Herremans acting their age, Vick couldn’t thrive…
    I mean, odds are you guys will use all of them, because nothing Vick’s ever done has been his fault.

  • EaglePete

    you keep replying to me as if Im CJ, I know sometimes the screen names dont update properly. Not questioning your fanhood as I said Vick/eagles fan, defensive much. And no you dont understand what its like to be a Philly fan is all, you cant.

  • EaglePete

    Marcus, haha, mine as well be hes so far up his …..Youd think the guy was Montana

  • Eagles4Life

    David Akers should have some of this blame, my friend.

  • Chali

    Nobody is making excuses, he is no Tom Brady and is not perfect by any means but I mean who names an offensive line coach that has defensed only at the high school level as an NFL calibre D-Coordinator. . . After a lockout, mind you? Apparently that’s an “excuse” and not one of the worse decisions ever in the history of football, let’s not forget his sidekick Mornhinweg who elected to kick in an overtime game when he won the toss. Football. . . The ultimate team sport, but not by your standards.
    I like how you throw in examples of silly excuses to prove your point though. Good job by you.

  • Richard Colton

    thanks it was a good job by me. remember when Vick looked awesome for five starts in a new system with a new coach, then mediocre for two seasons? remember when he looked great in two preseason games in 2013? why is now different? other than his being 33, which isn’t a good thing in football.

  • Chali

    I get it dude, you don’t like Vick. You failed to even read or understand why Vick hasn’t done well instead of looking at the team as a whole. You also fail to understand that football is much like the game of chess and it is up to the chessmaster (the coach) to move the pieces accordingly. Look at Belichik and what he has done, now compare that to Reid. I understand you want the blame to be solely on Vick but the game of football requires the team to come together. Vick has made mistakes, of course. . . He doesn’t get off on bad performances; however, I would like to see him fail on his own accord than being plunged into failure. Like the game of football and chess, you adapt to your players strengths and adjust strategy accordingly. Also, In chess you protect the King (QB). . . A no brainer that Reid failed at. How many no brainers has Reid failed at? Only thing I will agree with is that the QB will always get the blame as such with the Head Coach, but I would like the past 2 years to be put into perspective.

  • Chali

    I think Vick has a good 3 years in him, he has not lost touch. . . I mean did we watch different games this past pre-season? Looks like he is still a danger to run and throw to me. . . I guess that was a Vick imposter out there. . . May have been Dixon, sorry.
    I believe it is possible to win the SB within 3 years with Vick, why not have him run this offense and get acclimated this year. We draft a QB next year or mold Barkley etc. while under Vick. Who knows? Everyone ages differently, and remember he had a 2-3 year break from NFL. . . But you can shave a year or 2 off for that bruising last season with that patchwork OL.

  • Richard Colton

    you don’t get it, because I do like Vick. I think he’s a top 15 QB. I also think he’s probably a better QB than Foles at this stage in their careers. In my heart, I want the Eagles to win every game this year. In my head, I know they’re rebuilding, and Vick isn’t in their future plans.

    I also know that from 2001 to like 2005, he was the most interesting, exciting player in football. Some people have never let that Mike Vick go, and will use any excuse to justify why he hasn’t shattered evey record and won multiple championships.

  • Chali

    Actually, from 2001 to 2005 I wanted Vick to fail. . . He was the enemy at that point in time. That B-Dawk hit on him that injured him in the NFC Chip put a wide grin on my face. But now he is *probably* our starter at the position THIS year and there is a possibility even next year and the year after (it can happen) so I am in his corner till then and the same with Foles or whoever the QB is. It is also not fair that he gets judged according to the last 2 years when there was so much wrong with the team from top to bottom. All-In-All, I see your points and concerns but let’s hope for the best eh?

  • Richard Colton

    Im with you – as soon as they kick off

  • Joethomas215

    Akers didn’t throw an int in the endzone to lose the game

  • Eagles4Life

    At best, we aren’t even in that position because we are up 22-21at that time. If he had even missed just one, we are only behind two points.

  • CJ

    I agree which is why I said 3 years, I don’t see him having any more. If there’s people out htat that think he can bring us a superbowl with the talent that’s around him right now during that time, then I’m ok with keeping him. I hope ur right….my heart says maybe, but my head says this defense just won’t be ready for a couple more years, and by then it might just be too late.

    I’ve never said Vick isn’t better than Foles or that Vick stinks, I’m just saying if we need a rebuild do it now instead of wait. If there’s a belief out there that we don’t need a rebuild, I think that’s delusion, but I can see why some would feel that way.