All-22: Y-Cross, a Staple Of the Eagles’ Offense

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Hang around Chip Kelly enough, and you’ll get used to hearing the number 53 1/3.

That’s the width (in yards) of the football field. Kelly’s offensive philosophy is predicated on making defenses account for every inch of that width, along with the vertical space between the line of scrimmage and the end zone.




Perhaps no play serves as a better example of that philosophy than Y-Cross, a staple of the Air Raid offense, and now a go-to play in the Eagles' offense.

To break down the concept, we called on our old friend Coach Flinn. Flinn has helped us with the mesh concept, double posts in the red zone and snag. But I've never heard him more excited than when discussing Y-Cross. The guy flat-out loves this play.

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The Eagles use the preseason to work on their core plays. Last week against the Bears, they ran Y-Cross over and over again. But the two examples we'll take a look at today go back to last year, starting with one of Nick Foles' seven touchdowns against the Raiders.

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Many have written about the Eagles' packaged plays - the most popular being a zone read run combined with a bubble screen. Defenses see that all game long from the Eagles on a weekly basis. This play builds off that with a play-fake to LeSean McCoy and Jason Avant showing bubble to the bottom of the screen.

Meanwhile, Damaris Johnson runs a go-route, and Riley Cooper runs a deep post (although this can sometimes turn into a curl). Brent Celek, the Y tight end, runs a deep crossing route.

Here, you can see the play develop.

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The Raiders are in Cover 3, with the deep defenders splitting the field into three zones.

Per Flinn, the tight end is taught to run the crossing route under the SAM LB (No. 94) and over the MIKE LB. But because the SAM LB here bit on the play-fake, Celek is able to get over both linebackers relatively easily.

"What this play does is it puts the inside linebackers in conflict," Flinn explained. "They have LeSean McCoy running to the left. Then all of a sudden you have the tight end running over your head. Celek has gotta get over that MIKE linebacker. And once he does, there’s a window right there by the hash, which you’ve seen Foles throw to many times. Or there could be a window outside of 53 [the MIKE LB]."

Foles' read starts with the vertical at the bottom of the screen, then to Celek on the crosser and then to the top of the screen on the deep post.

"First read is the vertical," said Flinn. "What that does is it slowly starts that free safety working over to that vertical side. He’s not open, so Foles can move inside to the second read, which is the tight end, who’s caught a million passes on this. So now you’ve got a free safety in Cover 3 dropping down, getting out of his middle third to play that crosser because he’s seen Foles shoot that thing in there a million times."

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Here you can see the free safety cheat up on Celek. That leaves the middle of the field open and Cooper in a one-on-one situation.

Had the safety not cheated up, though, the crosser to Celek would have likely been open.

Foles' pass traveled about 51 yards in the air and landed in Cooper's hands for a 63-yard touchdown.

The end zone view shows how he went through his reads. First to the right:

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Then to the crosser:

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Then to the post:

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As Flinn has explained before, this process moves deep defenders. Often analysts will call it eye manipulation, but by going through his reads (and because he has time in the pocket), Foles is able to move the safety and create a one-on-one situation with Cooper.

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We of course can't go through this post without showing how the play works against man coverage. For that, we turn to an example in the wild-card playoff game against the Saints.

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Again, the key to the play is the zone/bubble action at the start. It's man coverage, but the Saints have a high hole help defender and a low hole help defender.

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"The two linebackers inside are 'banjoing' LeSean McCoy, meaning if McCoy goes one way, one linebacker’s gonna cover him, and the other guy’s a free player," said Flinn. "So what happens is the play fake, the guy that’s supposed to have McCoy gets frozen and the guy that’s supposed to have Celek gets frozen. That lets Celek get over top of those linebackers, and the hole player is frozen too. They’re all at about 4 yards there… so nobody’s got the tight end. He just shoots it right over the top."

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I asked Flinn whether Foles' reads change against man coverage. Looking at the film, it didn't seem like he checked the outside vertical first.

"The read is still the same," he said. "You’re still gonna look vertical one, crosser two and then backside three. But you also know as the quarterback, there’s certain routes built into the pattern that are man-separating routes just by their nature. Celek’s running a crossing route. Riley Cooper’s vertical, he doesn’t do a good job of winning there... but really you can take a shot on that route because that’s just like a four vertical play against Cover 1. So that’s as good as anything against that defense.

"The read is the same, but it can accelerate because you get to your man guys maybe a little bit quicker. But you still want to go through your progression because what that does is that moves defenders."

Flinn also explained that Celek's route can change slightly depending on the coverage.

"What we tell ‘em is under the first, over the second," he said. "So under that SAM linebacker, over the MIKE. Some people say you’re aiming 15 yards across the sideline. Some people will bump it up 20. Against man coverage, you might straighten up your stem a little bit at the top because you want to make that man defender think that you’re going somewhere else. But it’s usually 18 to 20 yards on the sideline is the aiming point."

There are plenty of moving parts, but as you can see in the photos, Y-Cross effectively stretches the field both horizontally and vertically. If the QB has time, he has defined reads against both zone and man coverages.

Because this is a play the Eagles run with high frequency, expect to see them call it over and over again during the rest of the preseason.

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For more on Y-Cross, check out Flinn's previous breakdowns here and here.

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  • Rambler

    Sweet. Absolutely love these breakdowns, especially learning about the genius of this offense. So much insight and detail, and I cannot get enough. Keep ‘em coming, so ready for the season to start.

  • JofreyRice

    Great breakdown. I hope this can continue to work with only a 5 man protection.

  • Jim Breslin

    As I am reading I’m thinking that’s great to show how this play works against zone but as an avid reader of Birds 24/7 I know that the Eagles face a lot of man so what about that Sheil? Of course Sheil then shuts me up and covers that as well! Thank you Sheil and Coach Flinn!

    • anon

      Yeah I can’t handle watching plays from the raiders game. Of course everything worked in that game. I like seeing it games where we actually played against a defense.

  • http://www.corcommunity.com/ Kelce’s Beard

    Often analysts will call it eye manipulation, but by going through his reads (and because he has time in the pocket), Foles is able to move the safety

    you said it, Sheil. This play wins when Foles has time- just like Brady and Manning :)

    Is this play a called pass all the way? Or can the fake to Shady work as an effective read option? I’d imagine if pre-snap Foles is looking at a 5 or 6 man rush, he can check to run?

    • JofreyRice

      good point. Knowing Kelly, you’re absolutely right. As long as Foles can spot the blitz, he most likely has the ability to turn this into an IZR/OZR.

      • http://www.corcommunity.com/ Kelce’s Beard

        yep. if either LB (a-gap) or the slot CB blitzes, you have the OZR wide open or the bubble screen. Outside CB holding a low zone opens the vertical. Cheating safety frees Celek.

        One of my all time favorite madden plays.

        I love this quote, from Tao of Chip Kelly:

        Chip Kelly has invented the football equivalent of an electric guitar, where he can play fixed notes, but also bend the strings and get all those tones in between the piano keys. And when everyone is used to pianos, they forget about all of those other tones. There isn’t a way to even write them down on your sheet music, but they haven’t disappeared; everyone has just forgotten about them. Chip not only bends those strings, he cranks up the amplifier and plays with feedback like Jimi Hendrix.

        • OverreacSean Jackson, #culture

          I swear I can’t run that play in NCAA or Madden. I don’t know when to hand off or if I should just let it be a play action. You can’t read the D end, reading the linebackers is hard, and don’t get me started on the CBs.

          Of course, I could just be over thinking.

          • Jay Kalinowski

            (In NCAA, I haven’t played much Madden, except this year I will with Chip’s playbook) Normally, I just play out the designed PA, because to me, the blocking seems to be geared to pass on them. And forget keeping it with the QB to run on the designed PA plays, unless you have the most mobile QB….

          • aub32

            So what you’re saying is Chip Kelly’s offense needs a mobile QB to be successful……………..in Madden.

          • Jay Kalinowski

            hahaha…yeah, I guess so. I’ve never been able to run at all with a QB that wasn’t mobile, in Madden. But I haven’t played the recent Madden games….

        • NickS, Combine Warrior

          So he’s like Jimi Hendrix and Tom Morello rolled into one.

  • Adam G

    I’m very confused. I thought it was Desean getting double teamed that led to guys being open, especially Riley Cooper.

    • NickS, Combine Warrior

      You didn’t see the free safety cheating over a little to offer some extra help on Jaccs-, oh… wait, that’s Cooper.

      • anon

        Great comment! You’ll notice that the CB guarding Djax is playing outside leverage and there’s a LB underneath. thus achieving a similar bracket coverage as if there was a safety over top.

        Watching how the play developed — if the TE wasn’t wide open all Foles has to do is throw the ball inside of Djax and there’s nothing the corner can do.

        EDIT: scratch that Djax made move to the inside getting “open”. Forgot how good he is.

        • NickS, Combine Warrior

          The CB is lined up right in front of D-Jax. The LB is covering the TE. Thus, no double coverage or bracket coverage. Something tells me Rob Ryan isn’t stupid enough to think that having that linebacker all of 6 yards off the line and lined up inside over the TE equates to bracket coverage of DJ. And that throw is no guarantee given that the CB is right with him. Great comment!

          EDIT: DB is still right there.

    • Jason

      Time to move on, that was an offseason topic.

    • https://twitter.com/richcolton RichC, brings duck to cockfigh

      Because this was the only play you watched last year? No wonder you’re confused.

      • Adam G

        Two plays by my count. And a few from that other post. Just sayin, lots of guys on these boards will have you believe Desean was the only reason anybody was single covered. Which obviously is not true.

        • aub32

          I am probably the biggest DeSean fan here, or at least the most vocal, and even I don’t believe that. Look at the team they are playing. The Raiders won 5 games. FIVE! They had two talented players on their team last year, and neither played in the secondary. No one here is so delusional that they believe DeSean was double covered every play and was the best player on this offense. Since you are so confused, let me try to help you. DeSean was the best weapon in our receiving group. Teams had to pa attention to where he was on the field. Safeties shaded to his side more often than any other player. He was double teamed or bracketed at times. When he went in motion in the backfield, LBs and S often took a step or 3 in his direction, which led to some walk in TDs. This even happened in the RZ, which is the area of the field so many have wrongfully said he’s not a factor. All of what I wrote has been broken down on this sight and others. You can easily go rewatch games and you will see that this has been the case for quite some time. I hope this helped with your confusion.

          • Adam G

            I’m sorry, can you point to where the Raiders accounted for Desean? That’s right, you can’t because HE WASN’T EVEN ON THE FIELD. Point being, maybe, JUST MAYBE, the reason the Eagles offense was so good last year was scheme?

          • aub32

            Wow you are dense. I just said that our players could get open by themselves against the Raiders.

          • Adam G

            I know you are probably going to edit, but you did not say that. And could be implied that your ramblings about how teams “paid attention” to Desean also applied to the Raiders play.

          • aub32

            No edit necessary. “They had two talented players on their team last year, and neither played in the secondary”

            Maybe I gave you too much credit to understand the implication that a team with zero talent in their secondary can’t even cover Cooper and Johnson. Sorry. Next time I’ll be more explicit. I forgot you were already confused. That’s my mistake.

          • Adam G

            So because you have gone that way, I will get condescending as well. In no realm of proper English could that sentence be stretched to mean “Desean wasn’t on the field”. It did not imply that, you did not mention it ONCE. Read your comment again. Maybe you should edit it. Still want to know if you scooped yourself an away or home Desean skins jersey, you never answered me the first time.

          • aub32

            Aww man. You are too much. Maybe you should read the post. The comment I made was how DeSean did NOT get double covered on every play. At no point did I even state DeSean was on the field. So where are you getting that? I talked about how terrible the Raiders were, which I thought someone who I do not believe to be an idiot would understand meant that they could barely cover me. So the WRs on our team did not need help getting open. You somehow read the post and made it about DeSean not being on the field even though I never said he was. Go check. there’s no edit.

          • Adam G

            Yes I know there’s no edit, its still there in plain english. Your first statement about the Raiders being bad, and then following that up with unprovable nonsense that teams “paid attention” to Desean, makes it seem like the Raiders were one of those teams.

          • aub32

            You win dude. That’s exactly what happened. There’s no proof on anything I stated. I just made it all up. I guess I’ll go pick up my jersey.

          • JofreyRice

            would it be impolite to point out that he went off for 150 yards in this game? Maybe they should have paid a little more attention to him.

          • OldDuckMcDoc

            Well, they shouldn’t have on the play Sheil’s used here though because DeSean wasn’t playing. Even the Raiders’ D know they’re meant to focus on the 11 guys on the field.

            ::insert-suitably-winky-emoticon-here:: just to make it clear I’m joking and have no desire to get dragged into the bunfight that surrounds our comments.

  • cliff h-MOAR white goons

    hope Ertz’ blocking has improved so he can run the seam. way he was moving against Bears, can see why he’s getting alot of the ‘making jump’ press.

  • FluxCapacitor

    I probably have said this before, but I absolutely hate the day I found this site. Too much fact and real information, and not enough opinion based personal bashing like other local sites.

    If you guys ever close up shop I may cry for a month. Great stuff as always!

  • Kleptolia

    This has always been one of my favorite plays. Now I know why.
    Thanks for the all 22, Sheil.

  • Soybot

    That first play never would have worked if Damaris Johnson wasn’t there running a go route.

  • Breathe 21

    Am I the only one concerned about the lack of WR depth on outside? Maclin is injury prone, so I can’t convince myself he’ll make it through most of the season. We will have no speed on the outside if he goes down. Then, teams will take away Shady.

    • aub32

      Don’t worry. Someone will soon try to convince you that Huff will be as good if not better than Maclin by week 4. So there’s no need to worry.

      • NickS, Combine Warrior

        Huff’s better than Maclin now and it’s not even preseason game 4. :)

        • OldDuckMcDoc

          Hang on, lets check back with that numpty that provided an objective review of Maclin on BGN a few weeks ago. How did he know Maclin sucked early on?

          1. He held out

          Huff did not hold out! Score one for the Huffster!!

          2. After coming into his first camp eight days late, he looked very unspectacular in the preseason. He flashed no return ability, and in my judgment, looked not just nervous (as probably every rookie is), but visibly scared.

          Huff did not come into camp eight days late! He scored a TD in preseason! On a return!!! No word on whether in the judgement of the author Huff looked scared, but either way I make that 2-0 Huff!

          3. He played just 8 snaps in the regular season opener, with no catches.

          OMG Huff is just eight snaps or one catch away from a complete whitewash and proving himself, via science, infinity times better than Maclin!!!

          • NickS, Combine Warrior

            Brilliant. Absolutely brilliant.

          • paul from nc

            Hold on. I thought Matthews was the Almighty one?

            Now we have Huff too? Awesome.

    • OldDuckMcDoc

      I feel much better about it going into this season than last. Think we’ve got enough weapons (even if they don’t have WR next to their name on the roster) that we could get through a game or two without Maclin if need be.

      • Breathe 21

        Are you confident someone will make the defense pay for loading the box or or all out blitzing? Outside of Ertz, I don’t believe we have a player that can consistently beat man coverage.

        • aub32

          Can Ertz even do that? What happens if he becomes a guy defenses key on? Will he still be able to produce?

          • Breathe 21

            Ertz can do that, but my concern is when teams focus on stopping him. I don’t believe other players will win consistently. I’m hoping Matthews can, but that’s doubtful.

          • peteike

            Celek can still ball and make some contested catches. Its the drops when hes wide open that are the problem haha. I worry about the WR depth and overall D and esp the pass rush.

        • OldDuckMcDoc

          I pity the D who play man coverage on Sproles. Also, Cooper saw plenty of man last year and did fine against it. Reasonable breakdown here:

          http://www.thechipwagon.com/eagles/2014/04/20-riley-goes-deep.html

          Matthews might be able to, McCoy certainly can, Celek will get his catches.

          Not saying I wouldn’t like a bit more depth but we’re waaaaay better off this year if we lose our #1 wideout than we looked just after Mac went down last year.

          • aub32

            SEA, CAR, and SF all have LBs that can keep up with Sproles.

          • OldDuckMcDoc

            On a given play? Sure, but I’d like Sproles chances of winning enough of those battles too.

            Mostly though I think given we’re only one year removed from being a 4-12 basketcase I can live with the idea that some of the best defences in football might give us problems if we lost our best WR.

          • aub32

            NO tried to beat SEA with Sproles too. How’d that work out?

          • OldDuckMcDoc

            I refer you to the second paragraph in my post.

          • aub32

            I think we are in trouble even with Maclin against SEA. I guess I am in the “haven’t quite bought in to Maclin” camp. Seems strange to me how people expect him to be more than what he was prior to the injury. I would love to be wrong here. I’m just not going to get my hopes up and boost a guy who has played 2nd fiddle his entire pro career.

          • OldDuckMcDoc

            But being “in trouble” against Seattle is fine at this stage. After taking a few years to build they’re the best team in football. We’re 12 months removed from being a train wreck.

          • http://www.corcommunity.com/ Kelce’s Beard

            wait, post it again, I haven’t quite caught it yet.
            and to clarify, if we can’t beat SF this year, we’re just no talent wastes of life?

          • peteike

            but can they in the 3rd quarter when were running plays at break neck speeds ha

          • NickS, Combine Warrior

            In straight line speed I agree. Sproles’ shiftiness is what allows him to win these matchups.

          • Breathe 21

            Last year, we caught people off guard and had an easy schedule. This year, we won’t catch people off guard, our schedule is much harder, and the run game might not be as successful the first four games with Johnson out. I think Celek and Ertz will be the key to our success in the pass game. Celek should have the easiest matchup.

          • Adam G

            Our schedule is not much harder at all. Only, a tiny tiny bit harder. Almost to the point that it is the same in terms of strength.

          • peteike

            Yup, agree. Schedule schmedule, beat whos in front of you. You beat some you dont expect to and lose some you dont expect to. I personally cant stand strength of sched guessing

          • Breathe 21

            Injury factored into the competition we faced last year as well. That’s mostly what I meant by strength of schedule. Idk if we’re going to play so many back up QBs this season.

          • OldDuckMcDoc

            The schedule is what it is. Some of the games in 2014 that look easy now will be tough and vice versa.

            In 2013, the teams we faced had a combined 127 wins the previous season. In 2014 the teams we face had a combined 122 wins the previous year, so on paper you could argue it’s easier.

            All I care about is the moves the Eagles make, and I’ve said several times now that I think we’ve got a far better array of weapons at our disposal if we lose our #1 WR than was the case this time last year.

            This is year two. We’re not the finished article but we’re ahead of schedule and headed in the right direction IMO.

          • paul from nc

            Or you could look at it as year 55, and we’re 0’fer.
            That’s a tad behind schedule.

        • paul from nc

          With Sproles, there will be less man coverage. Per the Chipper.

          • Breathe 21

            What does that even mean? Lol, that is too funny. There are plenty of people who can cover Sproles.

          • paul from nc

            It means that teams will not be able to play as much man coverage as they did last year.
            If you disagree, argue with Kelly and Davis. They are the ones who said it.

          • Breathe 21

            I’m just curious as to why you said, “with Sproles.” Were you implying Sproles would be the reason teams will play less man?

          • paul from nc

            Exactly. Both Kelly and Davis said that his acquisition would mean that the opposing Defenses would not be able to play as much “man” because of his skill set. Both disagreed with your earlier post that “there are plenty of people that can cover Sproles”

  • Breakerdog

    In the first pic vs. the Raiders you can see the D initially line up in a 2 high safety look, indicating Cov2. Against a cover 2 the 9 route (GO) by the right WR (Johnson) would be the best option. Foles would try to get the ball there before the safety can get over top.
    In the second pic the strong safety bolts down to the flat (you can see him running downhill between the hash and numbers) and the CBs carry the vertical routes. This is a Cov3 as the article indicates.
    A pre-snap tip off for the QB that the D is disguising their coverage is that the CBs are set up inside shade on the WRs. In a classic Cover 2, the CBs need to set up outside shade and funnel the WRs in towards the safety help before dropping into their underneath zone responsibilities. They don’t want to give up the sidelines where a Cov2 is vulnerable.
    If Foles doesn’t pick up on this pre-snap, he might throw this ball in there ASAP to Johnson in order to beat the Cov2 and end up putting it right on the dropping CB. Best case scenario he is left to work through his progressions.
    The really good QBs in the league have a really good idea where the ball is going before the snap. Not adjusting after.

    • aub32

      Hopefully this is something Foles will get better at this year. He didn’t see the entire field very well at times last season, and that led to several passes getting to the WR late, or gave the DB a chance to prevent the catch. He should have a better handle on that this year.

  • peteike

    “#Eagles offense: Momah w/ 2 nice receptions, including contested catch in end zone over Brandon Browner” and Momah continues to make plays, still a long shot but gotta hand it to him for improving

    • cliff h-MOAR white goons

      predicting practice squad. not a thing wrong with that either.
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      sounds like Foles is sharp. see what kind of bounce back week he has. give him credit for being able to that in spades so far.

      • peteike

        ya “Foles very impressive in 7on7. Two red zone TDs, one to Matthews.” Brady 5 for 5 also in same drills, no pressure though

        • cliff h-MOAR white goons

          seeing JMatt’s name often. maybe crapping the bed is what he needed.

      • OldDuckMcDoc

        I’m a fully signed up member of the Momah Sux Club, but if you’re Carolina don’t you just scour practise squads to sign any WR with a hint of upside?

        I mean, they’re still keeping Marvin McNutt in employment FFS.

        • cliff h-MOAR white goons

          think? going to be 31 other teams tossing players off rosters. eagles routes are so different, think that may hold teams back on WRs. sure someone knows better than me, but know Kelly had that Illinois kid running ‘eagle routes’, think it’s safe to say they have own route-tree.

          • OldDuckMcDoc

            True, and every chance they find something better out there but if I’m Carolina I’d at least be tempted. They’ve pretty much got nothing but trash at WR (unless Benjamin can do something as a rookie).

            Last I looked Jerricho Cotchery was in line to start for them. In 2014! After that it’s a bunch of guys who’ve barely got their own Wiki page.

            And Avant obviously, but “meh” to that.

          • cliff h-MOAR white goons

            think 4 out 5 of last yrs starting o-line retired, or something crazy like that. stewart and williams are both nursing injuries. Panthers are due for bigtime bounce back. bet they dont finish 8-8.

          • OldDuckMcDoc

            Agree. Don’t know how much of it was old age and how much was salary cap (they had a bunch tied up at RB, right?) but that O got gutted.

            I like Cam, but he’s gonna have to be something else this year if they want to crack .500.

          • cliff h-MOAR white goons

            yup, they mortgage everything like ‘Allas. salcap was destroyed. think secondar got gutted too. Cam and front 7 better be up for challenge.

  • cliff h-MOAR white goons

    ugh, Nate Allen running with the 1’s. cannot have this! also, MSmith with 1’s, not sure who he replaced.

    • peteike

      ha I was just coming here to post same thing. So Nate Allen could again be the starter. Doesnt that have an awful ring to it. I mean cmon, every off season is the improved Nate Allen talk, I suppose its possible. Where are you Wolff, jsut dont be drc driven

      • cliff h-MOAR white goons

        playing hangman with RIP-ILLA…S-O-F-_

    • paul from nc

      I wouldn’t put to much into that. As Kelly has said, depth chart is meaningless right now. It’s the Reps that matter

    • http://www.corcommunity.com/ Kelce’s Beard

      Davis said he’d be rotating in the 2’s against the Pats 1’s, so not real big deal

  • mtn_green

    Very nice article. There isn’t a perfect defense, the high safety has to pick a route to be in position for either. The bubble and the RB have to be defended. Foles just has to pick right and deliver.

  • peteike

    Love that Foles is stepping up when the practice is a bit more intense. Cox getting zero pressure not a good sign, is it too early to question that pick.

    • NickS, Combine Warrior

      It’s not the pick, it’s the use of the pick.

      • peteike

        ya I get that, just hoped he would adjust better than he has, its disappointing regardless

    • cliff h-MOAR white goons

      Eliot Shorr-Parks‏@EliotShorrParks9 mins

      That’s it. Foles was surgical today #Eagles

      • NickS, Combine Warrior

        Foles wanted to make Cutler feel better so he threw a couple picks. He’s back to performing open heart surgery on Ds now.

        • cliff h-MOAR white goons

          mean we can b&m over Curry’s PT, wolff v allen, etc, but it all comes down to Foles. he plays well, division title, he plays crappy, probably not. he plays better than expected, might have something brewing that can get us that GD lombardi

          • aub32

            Agreed. We all knew when Chip got here that this was going to be an offensive driven team. The weapons on the edges are a bit then, but Foles can make up for that if he can be a bit quicker getting the ball out and utilizing the RBs and TEs.

          • NickS, Combine Warrior

            I generally agree with what you’re saying. But if our secondary and/or pass rush doesn’t step the F up, we’re not doing too much better than last year regardless if Foles plays pretty well or kills it again.

          • cliff h-MOAR white goons

            2 problems that can be fixed, in reasonable time. finding SB quality qb, can take decades. i’m about halfway there w/ NF, just waiting wanting begging to be pushed over the edge.
            .
            not saying i’ll stop B&M’g about Allen v Wolff or Herremann if he doesnt pick it up.

          • peteike

            This is why the jury is still out on Foles, all waiting to see if hes really got it in a full season as a starter. Barring injury we’ll see against good teams/defenses. There will be ups n downs but consistency at a high level is key. Youre right, other parts can be filled in.

          • cliff h-MOAR white goons

            take it with a grain of salt…everyone’s fav reporter, ESP had FOles going 22/31 3/0 basically playing right w/ Brady.

            .

            http://www.nj.com/eagles/index.ssf/2014/08/nick_foles_vs_tom_brady_who_played_better_in_first_eagles-patriots_practice.html

          • peteike

            ha I almost pasted those stats on here but thought it would be in bad taste

          • paul from nc

            You’re about 2 years ahead of me with the SB Qb talk.
            1st – I need to see a full season with some wins over quality teams
            2nd – a repeat and a few good playoff games

            Right now I see great stats, but basically a 500 QB

    • aub32

      No. The pick was good. Cox was picked to be part of a 4-3 defense, not 2-gap.

    • jpate

      Probably cause they aren’t going to treat joint practices as laboratory to work on new throws.

  • peteike

    “#Eagles defense really making Tom Brady and the #Patriots offense work today. As @GregABedard said, this isn’t the #Redskins defense.” Good to read, what a difference from last season. Yet last season after watching the joint practices I thought it would be a long year, what a pleasant surprise. Now we expect to win, Sundays are going to be intense, cant wait. Wings, beer, gambling, ffl, I guess its okay now if it gets colder and starts to snow.

    • cliff h-MOAR white goons

      Ben Volin‏@BenVolin1 min

      Practice over. #Eagles D looks so much better than it did last year

      .
      Pats beat writer…no way of knowing if he’s good or bad…but, better is better

  • aub32

    Did Revis practice? Was anyone able to catch anything on him if so?

    • cliff h-MOAR white goons

      yup, Mac burned him deep.

      • aub32

        That’s encouraging. One on one or team?

        • cliff h-MOAR white goons

          11 v 11. Mac turned him and blew his doors off. also beat him deep 2nd time, but ball of finger tips.

          • aub32

            Thanks

          • piatz1019

            Too bad we don’t have any legitimate deep threats!…o wait…

      • http://www.corcommunity.com/ Kelce’s Beard

        good for us I guess, but I just grabbed Revis last night in one of my fantasy leagues. NE may have the best defense this year since Brady’s been around (if Wilfork comes back healthy)