Draft Daily: Spotlight on Ole Miss WR Donte Moncrief

NCAA Football: Mississippi at Auburn

If draft boards were formulated solely off measurables, Mississippi WR Donte Moncrief would be a no-brainer first-round pick.

At 6-2, 221, the early entry ran a 4.40 at the combine, third-fastest among wide receivers. His leaping ability is off-the-charts too:


So why isn't Moncrief projected as a first-round pick? Largely because the measurables haven't always transferred to the field.

Last season, Moncrief caught 59 balls for 938 yards and six touchdowns. In 2012, he had 66 receptions for 979 yards and 10 scores. Some questioned his decision to leave school a year early, but Moncrief provided a perfectly reasonable explanation.

"Well, my dad fell ill a year or two ago, so my mom was always paying the bills and working," he told SB Nation. "So that was a big thing for me. And now that I have a seven-month-old daughter, I want to be able to take care of her. So those were the biggest two things about coming out."

Aside from the measurables, Moncrief could be attractive to Chip Kelly and the Eagles for a number of reasons. Most notably, he played in a spread, no-huddle offense in college. Moncrief is familiar with getting play-calls from the sideline, lining up both inside and outside and the concept of packaged plays. He also showed a willingness to block - both in the run game and on screens to the perimeter.

But he still requires a bit of a projection. Moncrief showed flashes of great play-making ability during his college career, but he didn't consistently use his size and speed to his advantage.

The other problem is Moncrief doesn't have strong hands. When given the opportunity to make catches on 50/50 balls or passes in traffic, he often fails to do so. Take a look at these back-to-back plays against Missouri:

The first one would have been a difficult play, but still Moncrief had a chance. The second one should have been a touchdown.

Another example against Alabama. This should have absolutely been a big play, but again Moncrief's inconsistent hands show up:

I'm not hand-picking isolated plays here. These were issues throughout the games I watched.

Having said that, Moncrief flashes glimpses of play-making ability. Here, against Auburn, he shows good ball skills, looking back towards the line of scrimmage, adjusting his body and making a downfield grab with a defender nearby:

There were questions about Moncrief's speed before the combine. And again, the reason was it didn't always show up on the field.

But here's an example of that straight-line acceleration. Moncrief runs a pivot route, makes the catch, breaks a tackle and bursts upfield:

And here, he takes a screen to the end zone against Auburn, breaking a tackle and weaving through defenders:

As you can see, there is potential with Moncrief, but even though he played quite a bit in three seasons at Ole Miss, there is still a bit of rawness to his game.

Moncrief is young (doesn't turn 21 until August). Projections have him slotted as a Day 2 pick. Some team will be attracted to the measurables and the flash plays and convince itself it can help Moncrief be more consistent at the NFL level.

We'll find out in less than a month if that team is the Eagles.

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  • Chris

    This guy is definitely a popular pick on these boards, and for good reason. Can’t help but fall in love with those measurables and potential. I guess my question is, with our WR depth chart, are we looking for someone who can step in and contribute in a big way week 1? Or are we looking for depth and development. He’s young and impressive, but my question would be, how soon would he make an impact?

    • cliff henny

      really like him if he’s 2nd WR taken. paired with ODB or Evans-not giving up hope yet-where he can be worked in. Eagles are thin enough at WR, rookie is going to get some snaps.

      • Chris

        Yea, no doubt about that. I’d be happy if he was 2nd WR, or getting him in the 3rd if first 2 picks are D

      • Andy124

        Or A-Rob from the 2nd round.

        • peteike

          ya, Id prefer A-Rob but I really dont think he makes it to 22 in the 2nd and first too high. Id guess Cooks or Lee if they take a wr with first pick.

          • Andy124

            I’m hanging my hat on the “I’m smart enough to know that I don’t know” hook.

      • HowieGambleChipsAllDay

        My biggest “Non Eagle Related Fear” is Evans to the Ginas at pick 1.12. Worse if they move up for him. That happens and I start to really give them a shout at climbing back in the race. People forget they won 7 of 10 to end the year, and had a solid Free Agency. If Eli gets a massive receiver to bail him out like Plax used to I’ll be pissed

        • Tom W

          they don’t need him. bigger problems on oline and dline and giants aren’t silly. no way he falls to 12. they would be moving up w a team that wants him or needs the player they want.

          • HowieGambleChipsAllDay

            Nah. I think they’ve made all the O-line moves they will already (2 guards and a tackle), at leastnot that early. They signed a gang of corners and linebackers, so I’d rule that out. They re-aquired Manningham to go with Cruz&Randle+the kid Jennings. And signed Kelvin Winslow??? I’d say Ebron makes a lot of sense, but you know, they know how much better Eli was with a big target bailing him out. Every time he got in trouble he’d just toss a jump ball in Plaxicos direction

          • Yes_General

            wish we had another bigger target to bail Foles out

          • HowieGambleChipsAllDay

            Yes indeed. A lot of fans like to point to Chips use of the TE, in lieu of having big WRs. Its not the same same having a 6’4″+ guy with 4.4 speed and agility to match.

          • HowieGambleChipsAllDay

            They got 3 o-linemen in FA. Along with 3 corners and 3LBs. They’re primed to take Evans if the opportunity arises. Plus you know Eli needs that big 6’6″ target to bail him out. Wait for it……

      • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

        here’s one for you:

        moncrief in 3rd of Landry in 4th?

        • cliff henny

          hearing Landry had bad pro day, 4.6 speed at best, i’d rather trust kelly with raw athlete in Moncrief. if i’m making mistake, side on too raw of athletic freak. guess some of these guys you would think couple months with Hals would increase athletic talents, but not LSU, sure that’s1st rate weight program down there.

          • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

            ole miss is SEC too, sure they have a great program

            they’re also all a few years from grown man strength

          • cliff henny

            probably, but sort of comparing PSU to Perdue.

          • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

            I can’t really agree with that….what do 19 yr old kids need, sleep chambers? zero gravity rooms?

            http://www.olemisssports.com/facilities/ole-facilities-starnes-center.html

            http://www.olemisssports.com/sports/sports-perf/strength-football.html

            the difference is just how many 5-star recruits they get; it’s why ‘bama is so much better, for example every year their whole OL is like the 5 best in the country

          • cliff henny

            lol, is SEC…nothing to see there NCAA investigations.

        • myeaglescantwin

          Landri. the strength is important

    • ceedubya9

      I think they could be looking for both, but would be fine with only finding someone that would be more of a developmental/roleplayer type with potential to start in year 2. I think either way, Mac and Cooper are your starters at least early on.

  • George

    If we can get him in the 3rd, I’d be doing cartwheels, but if we have to go 2nd, i’d still be happy. Think hes gonna be a stud

  • bozo_nightmare

    Straight-ahead WR with little wiggle and sketchy hands. He reeks of a high Raiders draft choice. Day 3 for me or not at all.

    • HowieGambleChipsAllDay

      Jackpot. Raiders all day.

      • Andy124

        *Jaccpot.

    • Bullwinkle

      Agree, PSU’s Robinson has better short area quickness and better hands. This makes him a better choice.

  • Will

    All the WR’s in the draft are a gamble outside of Sammy Watkins…if we go WR with the 2nd pick this guy is enticing on a lot of levels, young, tall, fast and a good blocker. I think CK kinda player who could be coached up to bring out the best in his game…

    • HowieGambleChipsAllDay

      I wouldnt say that. Evans ODB COOKS AROB will all pan out IMO. A sleeper In just getting hip to is Michael Campanaro, Wake Forrest. Small doesn’t fit the Kelly BGBULG motto, but a baller in the Welker,Edelman mold. Nice late round slot machine.

      • Will

        those are all good bets to pan out at wr…

      • Eagles1018

        I like Campanaro a lot. If he’s used in that Welker, Edelman type of way he can be a baby beast. http://youtu.be/MKOziqfmFhk

  • HowieGambleChipsAllDay

    Missouri game was unimpressive. I want to see guys attack the football and secure it. I’ll reserve judgement tho……2nd Missouri game I watched today(2014 Cotton the other). Still waiting for Ealy to play 4 quarters. Starting to like Gaines a little more.

    • HowieGambleChipsAllDay

      I think the most consistent part of his game is his blocking, which says something about him. But if you can’t make the tough grabs what then. They’re almost all tough grabs at the next level. Pass.

  • Will

    Thanks Sheil for the article great information…His spider chart looks like a rocket ship…lol…

  • Corey Dawson

    Seems to have the right character form the reasons he used for coming out of school early. As an aside, I’m really never against that for any reason. 1 year of rookie salary is way more than needed to go back and complete a degree if the NFL doesn’t work out.

    Now let me take a shot at what I think of the measureables.

    By his measureables, this guy is straight up leg power (high 40/10 yard dashes, broad jump, and verticle) but due to his high weight and middle of the road height, isn’t a great accelerator/change of direction guy (low shuttle/cone drill). This tells me he’s got the potential to be a pretty good blocker out there physically since it depends a ton on lower body strength and overall size, but he would need to get his bench up a bit. The low bench is surprising since he has short arms, shorter arms is an advantage when bench pressing.

    As far a receiving, due to lower accelerations, it limits the seperation he’ll be able to create by changing direction out of the slot and hence limit his routes to crossers, streaks, seams, and 1 cut routes like ins, outs, and hooks. He might have problems creating seperation in press due to the short arms (more easily jammed) and low acceleration once he does get off it.

    As an outside guy, where change of direction tends to be less emphasized vs straight line acceleration, he can probably stretch the field with his speed and really compete for the ball when it’s in the air due to his size and vertical leap. My only big physical concern is his hand size, which tends to mean higher difficulty making catches, especially 1 handers.

    Physical upside, but raw. I agree with the second day evaluation.

    • myeaglescantwin

      it’s not necessarily a low bench. He can basically rep his body weight 13 times which isn’t weak. That’s actually average for a receiver over 6’2.

      • Corey Dawson

        At 225, it is middling/below par (hence the 29th percentile at his position). Anyone weighing over 200 lb should be able to put 225 up 13 times within 1-2 years of strength training around their sport, especially if their sport has an emphasis on explosive chest strength at every position like football does.

        It’s a possibility that his college strength program didn’t emphasis chest strength in their programming for wideouts. It’s also a possibility that he has a poor weight room ethic. We don’t know why it is where it is, and it’s not even close to a deal breaker if it’s the later. It’s honestly probably the former considering how strong his lower body is. He probably focused on explosive squatting, box jumps, and other lower body activities to improve leaping ability, speed, and lower limb stability/health (the primary place WRs get injured). It’s all quite easy to figure out based on a few interview questions.

        The only reason I even pointed it out is that it’s going to be a weakness that will affect his blocking ability against most safeties and the stronger corners, not to mention linebackers. If he were to come to us, he might not get as much playing time if he can’t block well, especially as a rookie. If chest strength is a weakness, it’ll easily be remedied by the sports science guys wihtin a year or two. He’s at the prime of his life for being able to make gains in the weight room.

  • Brent E. Sulecki

    someone told me Lee had stone hands. this kid does it almost every game

    • HowieGambleChipsAllDay

      I think Lee had a lot of drops in 2013, after a couple very good years in’11&’12. Neither he, nor Moncrief is high on my list tho

  • myeaglescantwin

    solid wrap up homie.

    I’d take a chance on him if he slips. Hands can’t be coached though. Neither can tenacity. which it seemed like he was missing on the two endzone shots.
    He seemed like he was worried about the hit on the endzone crossing route.

    • peteike

      Too many fans think hands can be easily coached up, def not always the case. He also aint getn in the end zone in the nfl on that screen but that means little. A handful of highlights doesnt tell us much

      • D-Von Funk

        “Too many fans think hands can be easily coached up, def not always the case.” <—THIS. THIS. A MILLION TIMES, THIS!

        I'll take it one step further. I'll say hands can rarely be "coached up."

        First, this is not specific to the above receiver. However, If I'm evaluating a pass catcher and a weakness of his is CATCHING the ball consistently, then I'm sorry but I'm passing every single time. Of course, there are exceptions to every rule, but 9 times out of 10, I'll take the guy whose hands aren't an issue.

        There's only so much working on the JUGS machine can do for a receiver. Unless the issue is determined to be vision-related, and can be rectified by something like lasik eye surgery, it's a risk that shouldn't be taken on the first 2 days.

        • HowieGambleChipsAllDay

          It’s tough because you take a guy like TO who was a size&speed freak cong out of D2 when the 9ers drafted him. Never fully solved his dropping problem, but will still make the HoF……. If the kid has offsetting factors like great RAC ability, Strength, blocking, return skills, etc. I saw none of those compensating factors

        • Breakerdog

          I disagree. Any skill can be coached. I only coach at the HS level but it seems to me he is lacking in some basic receiver skills. There are three things that I see in the film above
          1- Doesn’t frame the ball. He doesn’t get his shoulders around and get in front of the path of the ball like a short stop taking a hot grounder.
          2-Doesn’t high point the ball. He makes first contact with his arms bent and hands close to his body. Doesn’t allow for any mistakes or off timing.
          3-Doesn’t use his hands together. On each pass if you stop the frame, his hands are far apart and he brings them together as the ball arrives. He needs to learn to “find his hands” or bring them together and allow them to operate together before the ball arrives.

          Pretty basic stuff, and I am sure he was getting this message at Ole Miss, but because of his youth it hasn’t all sunk in yet. I don’t know, but I am guessing he didn’t have a great foundation in technique from his HS coaching.

          • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

            thank you. preach

          • D-Von Funk

            Can hand size or concentration be coached? Hand-eye coordination? Can looking the ball all the way in when anticipating contact be coached? I’d say that’s all debatable. It can be coached in the sense that a coach can preach it all he wants, and show proper technique, but it’s up to the player to actually do it.

            I’d be willing to bet that somewhere along the way (pee wee, high school, college) he’s been coached in the principles you outlined. If not, shame on his coaches.

            My point is this: Some guys have it. Some guys don’t. Some receivers are born with the ability to catch a dime in the dark, others can’t catch a beach ball. No amount of coaching is going to change that. Sometimes it really is that simple. When an athlete has done something for a large part of their life, it’s hard to change it. You can make subtle tweaks here and there, sure, but there’s no guarantee the changes will stick. Whether that’s the case here, I can’t say.

            You don’t draft a receiver with questionable hands, just like you don’t draft a QB that’s not accurate, and you definitely don’t draft them high. That’s just my own philosophy, but I think it makes a lot of sense.

          • GEAGLE

            Lol some guys have it and some guys don’t? Yeah a kid who will be drafted in the top 50 of a stacked draft just doesn’t have it

          • anon

            Bad argument. Some of these dudes will be busts.

          • Breakerdog

            Let’s just agree to disagree.

            I am from the “Talent Code” school of thought. I believe that anyone can increase their skill level with high level coaching, opportunity and ignition (passion to improve).

            You believe that person has it or doesn’t. They are born with “it”.

            I do agree that a persons measurables are innate. However, skill development is so much more important than natural attributes.

            I wonder what Wes Welkers or Jerry Rices “spiderweb” would look like? Pretty poor I am guessing. The reason those guys are HOF receivers is the three things I mentioned earlier (high level coaching, opportunity and ignition).

            To bring this back to the issue at hand, I believe Moncrief has 2 of those things. What is left is to figure out the ignition part.

          • Adam G

            I feel like the direct comparison is TO. He always had the knock of bad hands, and still dropped a few, but was an extremely hard worker and turned out to be a hall of famer.

          • Adam G

            Not every skill can be teached, think thats a little over the top. But is there a chance he actually has been taught all of this and just can’t get it together?

          • Breakerdog

            Sure. My level of “get it together” at 20 was pretty friggin low. The question that I would want answered if I was scouting is who is the WR coach and does he have a track record of producing technically skilled receivers.
            If yes, then I would most likely down grade him on my board. Kids has been getting coached properly and it’s not soaking in. Move on.
            If his coaching has been poor, I would see an opportunity to capitalize on an inefficiency in the market.

          • Adam G

            That makes perfect sense, and logical. Except if that inefficiency is counterbalanced by the irrational value of 40 time and height.

          • Eagles1018

            Definitely using this for my coed flag football team. Thanks. Any other pointers?

        • anon

          Hands can be improved but everyone has a ceiling. You don’t want that ceiling popping up at the end of a playoff game. Don’t want qb to have to think twice about passing the ball to you.

    • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

      hands can’t be coached? didn’t you mean can?
      ever heard of a JUGS machine?

      • mksp

        They really can’t. Those guys that need the JUGS machine are trying to hack the process of catching a football via muscle memory.

        You want guys that can catch a football naturally. Or they’ll be fighting the ball their entire careers.

      • myeaglescantwin

        after falling on your face during our DeSean debate. (my point being further emphasized by DeSean’s release) i don’t feel i need to argue you’re point.. but i will.

        CANT. the focus and mental stability necessary to pull of highlight real catches cannot be coached. You can practice your form, you can strengthen the hands.. but none of that makes you have the IT factor..

        it’s all mental focus and reaction.

        • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

          don’t remember debating you at all about DJax. could really care less.
          as a former college player and current HS asst. coach, I think I know about what can/cannot be improved about a player.

          CAN’T are speed (for the most part), agility, and size. Almost everything else, in a 21-24 yr old kid, can be coached up. Naivety is not an excuse for ignorance

          • GEAGLE

            Yeah it’s a joke to read someone talk trash! And have the audacity to think hands can’t be improved upon…

          • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

            really hope these fools go back to philly . com soon

          • Andy124

            An argument could reasonably be made about the degree to which hands can be improved, much as I’ve made the argument about the degree to which accuracy can be improved. Some guys are always going to be better at it than others no matter how much work the inferior player puts in.

            But that’s entirely different than saying that it (handsaccuracy
            other) can’t be improved. If people would just make more reasonable statements, then maybe Jennifer Lopez will finally come visit me.

          • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

            sure. he doesn’t have great hands. there are at least 5 other WRs I’d rather have. but we live in a world of absolutes, Andy. and clearly, at 21, this kid’s hands are rocks for life.

          • Andy124

            Sucks to be him. He should probably start working on his resume. I’d throw him a bone, but he’d just drop it.

          • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob
          • Andy124

            That facial expression is awesome.

          • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

            “O” face

          • Andy124

            You f*cked Lumberg?!

          • myeaglescantwin

            physically. you can make the hands stronger. You can coach form.

            you cannot coach focus and coordination. That’s natural ability. That’s the two dropped passes in this video. (IE the specifics i am arguing) You cannot coach a player away from being afraid of making a catch before contact.

            what drill are you going to lay out there where a receiver needs to beat double coverage and nab a one handed fade while having the presence of mind to get both feet down. (1 in college)

          • Andy124

            The counter-arguments are all around you in abundance. If you want to persist in your close-minded, absolutist line of “thinking”, have at it.

          • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

            careful, he may want to date debate you too

          • Andy124

            upvote for being a prophet.

          • myeaglescantwin

            no no no.. they were attacking a specific argument derived through their ramblings. I’m speaking about hands. about one handed grabs about focus on tipped passes,, chris carter type of grabs. .

            if a player doesn’t put himself on the line in college. isn’t able to make dynamic plays against D1 players.. what chance is there in the NFL. ??

          • myeaglescantwin

            Andy, these fellas are misconstruing the argument. I’m saying that “you can’t teach hands”. They are arguing that you can’t improve a players catching skills.

            Seems like that same argument, but it is not. I’m saying the metal toughness, focus and hand eye coordination that allows players to make Chris Carter style catches is something natural in a player & can’t be learned.

            A bad pass catcher can improve their form, timing and hand strength, but they will never be able to make those next level catches.
            If their point was true, Ted Gin JR & Darius Heyward Bey would be a hall of fame’rs.

          • Andy124

            Then nobody is miscontruing your argument, you are simply badly misrepresenting it. You are using a completley different definition of “hands” than anyone else uses. “Hands” simply refers to a player’s catching skills. Semantics matter.

            You did explain what you were talking about a couple times, but the waters got continuously muddied by your unusual use of the word “hands”.

          • anon

            I could read this all day, hope he stays.

          • myeaglescantwin

            you two make me laugh.

            i think you might work in the same office.

          • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

            ah, great factual retort. thanks, you’ve really swayed me

          • myeaglescantwin

            for the record the GooFball, Ertz had no questions about his hands in college and was actually lauded for making highlight real catches. but thanks for the input.

          • oreofestar

            …..

          • myeaglescantwin

            debating you went like this.

            me : desean is not a #1 WR. He can run past terrible CB’s, but doesn’t do anything against good corners.. until the move him to the slot..

            you; posted a highlight video proving my point. then you’re lackey Geagle backed you up again.

          • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

            whatever helps you sleep, bud

          • myeaglescantwin

            facts are facts old man.

            i don’t care that you played at shippensburg or coach some division 4 school.

          • cliff henny

            hey, leave Ship out of this! my fraternity got expelled and they changed logo from red raiders to some tugboat, no need to drag us thru the mud

          • myeaglescantwin

            you can’t coach natural ability and skill and tenacity. IE you can’t MAKE a Anquan Boldin . a Calvin Johnson, a DeSean Jackson.

          • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

            the discussion at hand is hands, not heart.

            never mind, i’m done, apparently you can’t teach/coach brains either.

          • myeaglescantwin

            you’re a clown. any chance you live anywhere near philly? i’d love a face to face debate.. Bring your stroker Geagle.

          • GEAGLE

            Hahaha high school must be out…I live in philly and I’ll smack the shit I out of you for fun…some people you can talk shit to, some you cant

          • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

          • Andy124

            lol

          • oreofestar

            lol I am not out yet :P

          • myeaglescantwin

            hahah,, i was talking debate, as i stated. but if you wanna get lumped up, that’s up to you. and that aint shit talking. We don’t do that where i’m from little boy.

          • myeaglescantwin

            hahaha, i was talking debate. as i stated. but if you want to get lumped up, that’s on you. and that aint talking shit. We don’t do that where i’m from little boy.

          • Warhound

            Did he really claim that skills can’t be coached?

          • Warhound

            Can’t coach skills? Did you really write that?

        • GEAGLE

          Hahahah you realize Ertz was known for questionable hands 365 years ago…yet he made amazing catch after amazing catch 6 months after everyone questioned his hands..,,to say you can’t improve your hands, seriously makes you a joke…did you miss the last two years under Andy when balls would Clank off of Celeks hands? Yet this year with a little coaching his hands were as reliable as you could ask for..

          Kid needs to work on hands and route running, not uncommon for a 20yr old. And not some limitation that can’t be improved upon…

          • anon

            Yeah he’s a greasy example struggle to think of others – lack of knowledge. I would focus on him as the exception…

  • ohitsdom

    No Geagle yet?

    • GEAGLE

      What’s the problem? What do you want to know?

      • oreofestar

        lol

      • ohitsdom

        You’ve been driving the Moncrief train for awhile so I expected you to be blowing up the comments. Kinda disappointed that wasn’t the case…

        • GEAGLE

          Why? Kapadia wrote a fair assessment of him…he didn’t state anything I disagree with or anything that I haven’t written myself. I talk about us not signing 40million star free agents, so we can’t be drafting safe, NFL ready prospects..we have to draft ELITE SUPERSTAR potential, and let our brilliant coach develop them into a monster…a 6’2 220lb super athlete would be a top 15 pick that we have no shot of falling to us if he didn’t have flaws, I acknowledge his flaws, but without those flaws we would never have a shot at drafting such a super talent…like MOST 20yr old kids, dude needs to work on his route running and hands…well half of everyone’s favorite players needed to work on their hands early in Their career…Ertz was said to have shaky hands this time last year, we coached him up,and everyone already forgot that he had shaky hands to begin with…last two years of Andy era, Celek couldn’t catch a cold running naked in the North Pole, Chip coach him up! and his hands were as reliable as it gets this past year…

          Sheil wrote: “so why is such a prospect note a first round pick, because his measurables haven’t always showed up on the field”…well coopers measurables never showed up until Chip got here….you don’t want to draft a prospect with limitations….you want to draft a prospect with Charecter and work ethic that will allow our brilliant coach to coach the flaws out of his game…I can’t speak on Dontes Charecter, but if Chip believes in his work ethic and Charecter, you can bet your ass he will take a 20year old with ELITE NFL ceiling,,,
          ,…
          Thank God he has a few flaws, or we would all be drooling over this kid with NO HOPE to land him like we do with Mike Evans…We are lucky enough to have a coach that seems to be brilliant at developing young players, so why wouldn’t we try to find the kid with the highest ceiling possible as long as the Charecter checks out?

          DOubt he was getting comperable coaching to what he will get From the eagle staff….we are talking about a 20yr old kid….if Andy was still our coach, I probably wouldn’t be so into drafting a kid with upside…I’d probably want to see Andy draft safer more developed prospect, Like Lee, but if you trust your head coach with young talent, why would I want to settle on Lee who is safe, but has a Maclin type ceiling! when I can take a super talent and watch our coach turn him into the next Josh Gordon….Same coach who took a player who NO ONE including his parents (Cooper) thought was more than a #4 WR, And in less than a years time, Chip turned him into a MONSTER…think Chip Kelly isn’t going to get this 20yr old baby to improve? Fortunately, Chip won’t draft a kid unless he thinks he has the chRecter and work ethic that will allow Chip to turn him into a stud…This kids hands will improve if he works at it, and his route running will improve, and when it does, some kid will have a monster on their hands….

          • GEAGLE

            Best case scenario, drafting an NFL ready Monster in Austin Sefarian Jenkins, and then draft Moncreif…
            Sproles
            coop
            Maclin
            Celek
            Ertz
            Jenkins
            Is PLENTY of fire power to go out and swing for the fences with a raw, baby with superstar ceiling

          • oreofestar

            Seferian Jenkins with Lattimer or Moncrief would be disgusting in 3 years Jenkins will be a pro bowl nasty player I think he will be the best TE n this class, Lattimer and Moncrief have some nice ass upside

          • GEAGLE

            I really want Jenkins! Moncreif and then scoop up Jeff Janis in rounds 5-7…we would be upgrading our pass catches with:
            1) 6’5 265 athletic as hell pass catcher, bruising in,ine blocking TE
            2) 6’2 220lbs, 4.40 speed, explosive leaping ability
            3) 6’3 220lbs, 4.42 speed, 39inch vertical( Janis)

            Turn our pass catchers into the land of fast Explosive Giants, with tiny Sproles motioning all over the place driving defense crazy!!

  • Tom W

    Project but there is potential as third rounder. Liker Latimer better in the second and ARob
    Watched 6 games from 2012-2013 seasons

    Horrible routes – but can be taught. jokingly bad.

    Doesnt do well on contested balls bc he lets ball into his body.

    Doesn’t use his height/leaping ability/wing span well.

    Short bubble screens not his forte bc he isn’t very agile in the hips. may have trouble separating bc he isn’t agile/change of direction and doesn’t run routes well at all.

    great against zone coverage.

    extends well for ball and tracks well.

    great straight line game speed. consistently beats corners deep.

    beats press w long arms

    willing blocker but needs to hit weight room a bit upper body.

    small hands — may be reason he can’t secure/catch w his hands as well as he should.

  • Tom W

    Dolphins will NOT take the giant 14 million cap hit this year to trade Jordan … no
    chance in hell. But what about a pre-arranged June 1st trade so the
    dolphins can split the dead money hit in half for this year and next.

    2015 Eagles first (probably mid 20s) and B. Graham for Jordan

    IN reality, the only way I see this trade going down economically and cap-wise.

    Then we aren’t forced to trade down at all if we don’t want too bc we don’t have to take an olb in the second round.

    Come out of this draft w/ this haul w out even making a trade down (obviously want one but no longer have to)

    Jordan olb
    1) C Fuller arguably best corner in the draft and starting corner next year

    2) Buchanon starting safety

    3) Moncrief or Martavius Bryant – big fast tall wrs

    4) Christian Jones – cover lb and inside lb of the future at 6 3 athletic as hell

    5) B.Ellington – fast as hell polished slot wr who can also play outside (some think better than cooks including Matt Waldman)

    7) Wesley Johnson – Texas guard/tackle plays 4 positions .. guard of the future eagles interested

    UDFA – Colt Lyeria
    UDFA Kyri Thorton – S Miss DT – versatile long dt/5tech eagles interested

    UDFA Robert Thomas – Arkansas – versatile big nt (injured last year but very
    disruptive junior yr and early senior yr) eagles interested
    UDFA – Taj Boyd – qb project eagles interested

    • Tom W

      sorry didn’t mean to post twice …

    • HowieGambleChipsAllDay

      Right on. That cap hit is huge. Although I believe it’s closer to $10M, the other $4M is made up of roster and performance bonuses which they are not on the hook for if they cut or trade him.

      It’s goes for the Birds in the sense that, the remaining money on Jordans contact is a few hundred grand LESS than the slotted salary for the#22 pick.

    • anon

      Why would they want graham? They are stacked at de and graham hasn’t shown anything even in 43. It’s a sort of half assed trade by eagles. We have tons of ol the most obvious need for fins yet from what we heard that’s not been on the table, why not? Eagles aren’t dumb.

      • Tom w

        Well for one they aren’t stacked at d end hence why they drafted Jordan. They have two starters now besides him but do you really think they wouldn’t want graham. Basically a bad fit for a bad fit. Graham actually has shown a lot via advanced stats when healthy in both schemes. But he is better d end. Makes sense for both teams actually bc Jordan is not a d end bc he can’t stop the run worth a damn and he won’t be asked as much at rolb.

  • Richard Colton

    His spider chart looks like a cruise missile aimed at the NY Giants. If he’s there in the third round, take him.

    • Andy124

      Cruz missile?

      • Richard Colton

        I hate that guy

        • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

          million upvotes.

          the 1 thing I will miss about Djax was him having the better TD celebration. cousin terio > salsa

          • Rambler

            I like the cousin Terio a lot. Hope we never have to see it again now. Also was a big fan of the Hingle McCringleberry, until Lance Mooore made it his own.

          • Andy124

            Are we still speaking English?

          • Rambler

            I struggle with that on a daily basis.

  • Shane Brown

    Yuck. Just watched a bunch of film on him and came away unimpressed. I dont see that 4.4 speed translate to the field. Total waste of size. I also cant stand a WR with weak hands. He lets the ball hit his body too often because his hands arent strong enough. Id be interested in finding out his hand size and if that has anything to do with it. Idk if you guys have seen Beckams hands but they are huge for someone who is only 5-11/6-0. Probably why he catches everything thrown his way

    • Tom W

      I noticed that too … he has “small hands, smells like cabbage.” And Beckham has monster hands.

      We all know how much Chip loves big hands for qbs ….. wonder if same can be said for wrs???

      • Andy124

        I would guess that he’d value it even more for wr’s. They’ve made comments on the records about receivers with larger hands being better catchers on the average.

      • Chris

        +1 for Austin Powers

    • Mikeq

      If you go up to his spider chart above and hit “Measurements and Comparisons” you get the numbers. Hands are 9 1/8″. I don’t know if that’s small or not, but looks like he was only in the 30th percentile, so that’s on the smaller side vs his peers.

      • Shane Brown

        Thanks for the tip. But yeah his hands just arent strong he doesnt look like a natural pass catcher

  • Tom W

    Anybody know if Howie does his radio show in the offseason?

    • cliff henny

      it’s called the NovaKremlin for a very good reason. Sure Sheil and Tim have reporter almost every public word Howie has said.

      • anon

        He must be really boring I feel like I see same quotes over and over

  • Adam G

    How is Geagle going to take Sheil criticizing his boy Moncrief?

    • GEAGLE

      Honesty. Do you think you will ever see your name in one of my posts? Hahahahahaha what a groupie

      • Adam G

        You have written, IDK 500 comments on Moncrief. Borders on stalking. Figured you would have to cry yourself to sleep after Sheil criticized him.

      • jcwhy

        why dont you just start a blog? you seem well informed and have opinions… could be a good side gig.

        • Adam G

          This is a joke right? There’s a lot of laughing at him vs with him on this site.

          • jcwhy

            I guess this is kinda all of the frequent posters blog anyway in a sense, all have pretty good insight, off base or spot on.. its all good to read to pass some time.

        • mksp

          LOL.

          Edit: Actually….yeah, that’s a great idea. He should post only on his own blog, why waste all these valuable ideas as a poster here? Lets make it happen. I’ll even chip in $5 for the domain name.

  • Jerry Pomroy

    If I’m looking for a guy in that size range, I like Mathews or ARob much better.

  • PaoliBulldog

    Sounds like a good value play late in the draft. John Carlos had great measurables, too.

  • Neanderthal

    If Cliff was Eagles GM
    Defense??/ WHat do you mean? I drafted a cb
    Round 1 Pick 32 (SEA): Marqise Lee, WR, Southern California (A-)
    Round 2 Pick 22: Austin Seferian-Jenkins, TE, Washington (A-)
    Round 2 Pick 32 (SEA): Donte Moncrief, WR, Ole Miss (C+)
    Round 3 Pick 22: C.J. Fiedorowicz, TE, Iowa (D+)
    Round 4 Pick 22: Josh Huff, WR, Oregon (C+)
    Round 5 Pick 22: Cody Latimer, WR, Indiana (C-)
    Round 7 Pick 22: Aaron Colvin, CB, Oklahoma (A)

    • oreofestar

      Ok I love D but that would be a haul lol trade next years 1 for DIon and score 107 points a game

    • cliff henny

      Eagles 48 opponents 31…at halftime

      • oreofestar

        hey are D is already better than last year we won’t give up 60 a game :P

      • Andy124

        Totally unrealistic cliff… no way the opponent has time or morale left to put up 31 in the first half.

        48-20 at halftime.

        • cliff henny

          do have a reoccurring dream of Eagles hanging 50 by h/t on Cowboys on national TV

          • Andy124

            Weird. In my recurring dream I see myself standing in sort of sun-god robes on a pyramid with a thousand naked women screaming and throwing little pickles at me.

          • cliff henny

            mine’s better…but seriously, pretty sure no one wants me sharing my real dreams

          • Andy124

            Downvote for not responding with a quote from Real Genius.

          • hillbillybirdsfan

            Why are you the only one that has that dream?

    • cliff henny

      tell ya what, by time pick 5.22 got announced, Kiper and Mcshay and a whole bunch of DCs around the league would be crapping their pants. hang a big sign outside the LInc saying “this shit has gotten really real!”

      • oreofestar

        Mayock would flip and talk about how offensive players should not even be on their board, Kiper would go on bragging about the Lee pick and DRC would immediately retire

        • cliff henny

          I like this draft cause he has my boy CJ Fied-whatever on there. guy has tennis racket head size mitts.

          • oreofestar

            yeah have not seen much CJ in fact I have seen nothing of him, what do you like about him

          • cliff henny

            just another Iowa TE. cornfed 6-7 that catches everything. want a redzone target, wont get much bigger than him

          • oreofestar

            well yeah I know he is an Iowa TE and I know his measureables but how is he on the field besides being big

          • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

            best write-up I’ve ever seen

          • GEAGLE

            F THAT!! We need that IOWA LB!!!

          • oreofestar

            LETS GO!!!!!!

  • Amar (India)

    Many great points in the article and comments today. Glad everyone agrees, receiver’s hands are like QB accuracy…you either have it or you don’t. Another interesting point Michael Irvin made during a radio show, was how fast receivers struggle to maintain balance after making the catch. He gave the example of Braylon Edwards and praised Desean since it came naturally to him. We see this Maclin, how he falls after making a catch and not always to avoid a hit.

    • Breakerdog

      Not everyone agrees with either the accuracy or hands being an innate skill.

  • oreofestar

    Maybe I am accepting a likely possibility and trying to lighten the blow on draft day but if we draft Marquis Lee……..I could live

    • HowieGambleChipsAllDay

      In starting to want out of 22 all together. Anywhere back to the 1st half of Round 2. Along with a 4th, and maybe a 6th or 7th so I can get a project guard.

  • mksp

    One of my least favorite prospects in the draft. Guys, its not easy to become a good WR.

    • Andy124

      TWSS

    • cliff henny

      guy has flaws, but he’s also about as freaky f an athlete as you can get. remember Wolff college tape? mean, for the life of me, I could not see how they drafted him, the guy was running the wrong way all the time. just had that youtube vid of him jumping like a 6 foot stack of pads. wouldn’t want him as 3rd WR, but as 4th, behind a ODB, Robinson or Lee, give him a yr, he’s so young. thinking they might just wait out Lattimore and him, see is one tumbles to point they almost have no choice.

      • oreofestar

        I like them bth and while I know a lot won’t agree but if Lattimer and Moncrief are in the same spot I would take Lattimer

        • Tom W

          I agree. Pretty simple if you watch 6 games of each.

  • oreofestar

    damn now they are talking about my boy Cody Lattimer in the 2nd I thought we would be able to get him in the 4th or 5th before….whatever looks like we must

    • ACViking

      Latimer’s and PSU’s Robinson seem comparable on film — fight for the ball, good RAC — but CL’s a more willing blocker.

      Big difference, CL ran a (hand-held) sub-4.5 40 without dropping weight. Robinson had to drop 10lbs to get his 40 speed down.

      I don’t know about the “Spider Web” comparison. Seems that Robinson may drop some, though.

      • Andy124

        Not enough pro-PSU bias for my tastes, AC. #WeAre! :)

        • ACViking

          I loved PSU greats like Charlie Pittman and Ted Kwalick.

          Why do hurt me?

          • Andy124

            So we’re agreed, A-Rob will be the GOAT. Glad we got that cleared up.

            Seriously though, I recognize my bias runs so deep that there’s not much sense in me trying to be objective with my PSU evals, so I just have fun with it instead. I absolutely LOVED what I saw out of Robinson the last two years, fighting for balls, fighting through defenders, making huge plays in huge moments and just flat out being the man on an offense that desperately needed somebody to be the man. Doesn’t guarantee NFL success, but it sure does guarantee my full homerist support.

      • oreofestar

        I love Robinson even a tiny tiny bit more than Lattimer but I will be shocked if he gets out of the top 50

  • GEAGLE

    Nothing even to talk about…it’s pretty simple…Chip won’t ever pass on this type of talent if the kid has the Charecter and work ethic that Chip needs to see, to know he can turn him into a monster….pretty simple, a good interview and recommendations from former coaches will put this kid towards the top of our draft board…if his commitment to football is questioned, if he is a lazy diva type, he won’t be considered,,,l

    Chip doesn’t care who was the better WR last year…he cares about which one of these kids he can turn into a top WR 3 years from now,,.this 20yr old has no limitations..just correctable flaws, but what 20yr old doesn’t? If this kid has the right Charecter, he will be high on our wish list…if he doesn’t have the right Charecter, he won’t even be on our draft board….since none of us are privy to interviews, nothing to do but wait and sit back…

    I will say that to cut Desan so easily, I believe their are WR who will 100% not be drafted in the top 21 who Chip is really really high on….Chip wouldn’t cut Desean because he loves Mike Evans, Sammy Walker, or ODB, because it’s not a given that we can draft them…I think there are WRs in round 2 or 3, that Chip believes he can turn into an elite talent, and chip defines ELITE WR as that RARE size/speed combo

    • HowieGambleChipsAllDay

      But he doesn’t catch consistently, or go up aggressively and win 50/50′s. At a minium, a big WR who plays like he’s 5’11 is useless. Whether he’s a great guy or Hitler in cleats.

      • GEAGLE

        Lol k

    • imnotsorryisaidthat

      Character

      • GEAGLE

        Think it doesn’t come up red on my autocorrect? It actually changes my correct spelling to the wrong one, and then tells me it’s wrong…can’t expect me to care that Much to type and delete it 3 times every time I want to use the word…but thanks for the valuable contribution..my iPad had no IDEa it was spelled wrong

  • oreofestar

    1.Trade 22 and Brandon Graham for 50 and Dion Jordan
    2.Austin Seferian – Jenkins
    2.Cody Lattimer (I know it seems like a reach but I love this kid)
    3.Christian Jones
    4.Jarvis Landry
    5.Donate Johnson
    7.Jonathan Dowling

    • anon

      Trade scenario is wack, but Landry is the man.

      • oreofestar

        :)

  • HowieGambleChipsAllDay

    Thumbnail Spider Graphs for the top prospects ,at every position. Side by side, and mouse over to enlarge, for comparison’s sake. Does such a place exist on the internets?

    • Adam G

      You can just go to mockdraftable and do it yourself.

      • HowieGambleChipsAllDay

        Nice

  • John J. King

    If he’s around in the 3rd, we should take him. Don’t need more projects but he has great size & speed.

  • dislikedisqus

    This writeup reminded me of Stephen Hill on the Jets, a similar measurables monster who doesn’t produce on game day.