Eagles Host WR Benjamin, CB Colvin

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Earlier today, we noted that the Eagles were getting a look at Montana LB Jordan Tripp.

But a couple other prospects were in town as well. According to Adam Caplan, the team hosted Florida State WR Kelvin Benjamin and Oklahoma CB Aaron Colvin.


If Chip Kelly wants a wide receiver with size, Benjamin is his man. The 6-5, 240-pounder has long arms (34 7/8 inches) and big hands (10 1/4 inches). He had 54 catches for 1,011 yards and 15 touchdowns last season for the Seminoles.

Here's a look at how he tested out at the combine:

Benjamin ran a 4.61, and you can see he does not have elite athleticism. He turned 23 in February and has only performed at a high level for one season in college.

ESPN's Mel Kiper Jr. wrote recently that Benjamin presents serious risk:

He is a full 6-foot-5, checks in at 240 pounds and carries it well. But I think the physical talent outpaces the receiving skills at this point, because Benjamin drops too many passes, lets the ball get into his frame too often and doesn't yet know how to set up and create separation when he's facing good DBs. There's no question the physical talent is there, but he could be overdrafted based on the traits.

Greg Peshek of Rotoworld has an excellent post up on this year's WR class. He found that Benjamin dropped 9.7 percent of the balls he had a chance to catch, a high number. He also found that Benjamin was best on go routes where he could use his size to fight off defenders. YAC was not necessarily a strength:

We can see the effects of Benjamin’s deep receptions as he caught the ball an average of 13.4 yards from the line of scrimmage, proving to be a solid deep threat. However, his 4.89 yards after the catch is the lowest among the top 15 WRs. That’s not necessarily a problem with a bigger WR as that’s not ‘where he wins’. However, we still have to take that into account when comparing him to other similarly sized WRs.

Still, it's rare to find a wide receiver with Benjamin's size. He is expected to go somewhere in the first two rounds.

Colvin, meanwhile, presents a more difficult projection. The 5-11, 177-pounder suffered a torn ACL at the Senior Bowl. Per Caplan, before that injury, he was considered a second-round pick.

Colvin was a first-team All-Big 12 selection in each of the past two years for the Sooners. He played strong safety in 2011.

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  • TripSquadMonopoly

    Wow that is a scary chart right there he has no athleticism. 29% in bench press yet 99% in weight?? How does that make sense other than he doesn’t like the weight room

    • usmcnole

      Long ass arms don’t help in the bench but they do help when catching a ball over a 5’9″ cb

      • TripSquadMonopoly

        Hes 13% in vertical jump…Literally all he has is genetics what this tells me is his work ethic is 0. Only 42% in broad jump…3 cone 3%!?!?!

        • usmcnole

          I was surprised by his vertical at the combine. He had some plays this year where he really got up for the ball

          • MediaMike

            Maybe Mark MacMillan’s son was playing DB in a few of those highlights.

          • GEAGLE

            I’m assuming he jumps better off 1 leg than two feet which is how vertical is measured…I DONT KNOW that for a fact, but it’s the only sense I can make of it

          • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

            true, thats why you cant put that much stock in tests, gotta go with on field play

        • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

          have you watched him play? Then forget the tests, the guy soars over DBs and plucks the ball

      • myeaglescantwin

        exactly, this isn’t some barrel chested OL. this is a skinny 6’5 / 235.
        with 34 inch arms,,, thats moving that weight a long long way.

        • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

          dude had the least amount of body fat for WRs i think too

          • TripSquadMonopoly

            Genetics genetics genetics…Where does hard work and practice come into play…If I had to average it hes in the bottom 20% of all stats not genetics

          • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

            i dont even know what you are talking about, seems like you are just making up reason not to draft him.. lol

          • TripSquadMonopoly

            Hard workers don’t place in the bottom 20% on average on EVERY statline OTHER than genetic attributes such as weight height arm length and hand size. Do you really not understand what that means? He was dead last in the cone 3 wtf is that you know how many wideouts go to the combine? Damn right im finding reasons not to draft him…

          • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

            idk give a F about the combine tests!!! WATCH HIMPLAY FOOTBALL!!! WITH PADS ON!!! thats all tha counts!!

            And ok we get a genetic freak, NOW COCH HIM UP!!!

            how do YOU know he doesnt work hard?

            Shit you get a natural freak working hard and WOW we got a great player. And with our workout/nutrician program he will work hard

      • MediaMike

        Frequent tall person’s excuse for being under strong.

        • GEAGLE

          Yeah it’s BS….Brandon Coleman who is a 6’6 WRs had the most impressive bench press numbers at the combine…doubt his impressive bench presses, shoot him up into the first two rounds

    • Warhound

      Long arms are a big negative for bench press. Bench is done with hands out as far as possible; a short armed man gains a huge leverage advantage. Also the long armed man must lift the bar higher.

      • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

        this very true, and thats why it makes what jace amaro did very impressive! (Jace amaro is my sleeper pick for eagles)

      • MediaMike

        Long arms are the excuse of the weak who cannot bench and who also cheat by not observing the wrist rule while playing beer pong.

        • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

          you must be very short, lmfao.. long arm is harder to bench press. period.

          • MediaMike

            Not short at all, but I don’t care for excuses in weight room dedication and I don’t tolerate people trying to play George Gervin and finger roll a beer pong ball.

          • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

            Its not an excuse its reality.

          • MediaMike

            Not every longer arm guy comes up weak on bench.

          • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

            not all of them there are some freaks.. like Jace Amaro

          • MediaMike

            +1 for shoehorning

          • Warhound

            It’s not an excuse. I learned this from a man who, at one point in the 1970s, placed #2 in the Worldwide Seniors (over 50, I think) Powerlifting Championships. It’s a reality. And, real drinkers don’t play drinking games.

          • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

            real drinks are called alcoholics lol

  • myeaglescantwin

    WR’s in the first round are dangerous. Cooks is a more proven WR than this guy,, and i don’t even wanna see him taken in RD-1…

    Deep WR draft, meaning there is talent in the later rounds. Even after loosing DeSean, WR still is not our biggest need.
    Rd-1 needs be best available LB / S / DL..

    When i think of the 2013 eagles, all i can remember is the saints bleeding the clock 3 yards a pop. We need to invest in the run stoppers & playmakers.

  • Joe Thomas

    Benjamin should be taken off the board, too slow, not athletic enough, just doesnt fit. If Cooks isnt there, 22 should be defense.

    • myeaglescantwin

      cooks has crazy production. 10 catches a game almost everyweek. , if they take him instead of Defense, i won’t panic..

      Benjamen is strictly a red zone threat that should be drafted no higher than Rd 3 or 4.

      • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

        strictly red zone? he averaged well over 15 yards a catch!!

        • myeaglescantwin

          but he averaged about 4 catches a game.
          check his stats most of the stat lines were like 2-3 rec 60yds He had two games where he absolutely blew up.

          if a college player is going to come in and play a huge role in the NFL, wouldn’t you think you would see that in college first??

          • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

            he played in the most spread out offense in the NCAA. 3 WRs had over 800 yards, 3 RBs had over 500 yards and they had a tE with a good amount of yards.

          • myeaglescantwin

            going points.

            but i would still expect a 1st round draft pick to be the biggest weapon on their team in college.i didn’t see too many FSU games, was that the case? (real question, no b.s.)

            I just feel he stat line showed that he was a situational threat down near the goal line..

          • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

            Yes he was biggest threat. and besides being a dominate red zone guy, he averaged nearly 19 yards a catch.

    • dislikedisqus

      You seem to be assuming he is a first round pick or otherwise has to go off the board. Maybe they are thinking of him as a 3d round pick.

      • Joe Thomas

        Thats where he is projected, so Im left to assume that. Obviously he can fall but I still wouldnt want him if he does, he isnt a fit in any round.

    • Mr. Wu

      I would take ODB at 22 also….then go defense

      • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

        both those, plus Zack Martin and Ebron for me.

        • oreofestar

          yoI got a lot of players I would take at 22 which is good

          • GEAGLE

            Must be nice to be you guys…there aren’t too many options I view as realistic with the #22 pick that excitement me…

          • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

            for defense maybe, but for offensive skill players there soooooo many!!!

          • GEAGLE

            All the players I really like are second and 3rd round players who would be considered major reaches at 22….I have NEVER wanted to trade back so bad in my life…only players I want at 22, would have to really fall:
            Barr
            Evans
            Sammy
            Ebron
            ODB only WR I view as SOOO good that he is worth passing on All the talent big Body WRs and I don’t think he makes it to 22 either…I desperately want to trade out of round one..

            The dream is trade back from 22 to 40, get an extra 3rd and 6th… Trade a 2015 2nd round pick for an extra 3rd(next year try And trade down from round 1 again to recoup the pick we are trading away)..that way, we would have no first round pick, but two 2nd’s and three 3rd’s…..

          • oreofestar

            Oh there are not alot of exciting options but my thought is if I can get 15 players I feel comfortable taking at 22 at least a couple will be there

          • HowieGambleChipsAllDay

            No you really can’t go wrong there. The thing is that once you take who ever at 22, Now you almost have to draft for need the next 3 rounds, cuz i think we all agree we want to walk away from day 2 with a wr, olb, and safety at the minimum

          • Warhound

            What we all agree on may be diff’ than what the FO wants. I think a S high isn’t as much of a priority for them. 1st day – maybe… WR, OLB and front seven impact defender?

          • MediaMike

            What they didn’t spend on Byrd should tell you how they view safety in the first round. Not that approaching the position that way is wrong, but not a spot they’d spend a #1 pick on if they don’t want to spend $9 mil / year on a #1 safety.

          • Warhound

            Here we agree…..

          • HowieGambleChipsAllDay

            Agreed. Id be happy if they held out on safety and grabbed Jamea Thomas Gtech in the 4th. Even though he’s under 6′. Good tackler which should earn him a ST roll while he rounds into form. Gimme 2 wrs, one LB, one safety in the first 4 rounds, any order.

        • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

          I like Jace Amaro more then ebron

          • oreofestar

            I like Ebron and Seferian- Jenkins more than Amaro

          • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

            i like Amaro more then both of them

          • MediaMike

            I haven’t looked at TE that closely, but why do you think a lot of guys like Ebron as the clear #1 TE and Amaro as the clear #2?

          • oreofestar

            Ebron is number 1 for me Jenkins is a somewhat close 2nd I do not agree about Amaro

          • MediaMike

            I might be Jenkins’ out at this point.

          • oreofestar

            I’m dumb I don’t understand

          • MediaMike

            Sat through Izell Jenkins, just saw the Eagles sign Malcom Jenkins instead of Byrd or Ward, nothing against the TE Jenkins.

          • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

            I think Amaro is a complete TE. He has done much inline blocking due to his offensive system, but he is nasty blocking out of the slot and outwide. He can make all the catches, and he very hard to bring down, seems to drag defenders a lot.

            A lot of guys like ebron because he is a physical freak. Is sudden in his movements. Has great body control, i mean i get it. He is def talented.

            But IMO Amaro will have the better career. Esp if the pats draft him.

          • GEAGLE

            Jenkins is more complete IMO….better pass catching athlete. Big. Bruising blocker, plenty of inline experience.,.

            Basically I view:
            Ebron as an Ertz type
            Jenkins as a Celek type(way better athlete tho)
            Amaro as that Casey “h-back” “move TE” type

          • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

            Ebron is more like a Vernon Davis type

          • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

            without that straight line speed davis has tho

      • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

        Id take Lee over both cooks and ODB

        • oreofestar

          I would take ODB and Cooks over Lee in a heartbeat

        • HowieGambleChipsAllDay

          I gotta watch some more Lee. ODB and Cooks are about as physical as you can be considering there size. Each has a bit (little bit), of that Heinz Ward/Steve Smith-ish type vibe. Way less fear of contact than #10 had. Lee is so iffy to me. I don’t see enough toughness to go with the flash.

          • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

            Cooks isnt that physical.

            Doesnt Cooks has almost 20 pounds of desean tho?

            people forget just how small desean really is.. i cant think of any other 170 pound WRs that can do what he can.. he is a rare player.

        • Tom W

          Your nuts.

          • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

            No im not. Lee is the real deal.

    • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

      You dont know what you are talking about. he isnt too slow at all… he averaged over 15 yards a catch, PLUS he is a dominate red zone threat. The likes we have never seen in philly since harold carmichael

      AND he can play in the slot AND he blocks. fits chip perfectly.

      Cooks is strictly a slot guy in the NFL. And he cant block. good route runner and is fast tho.. but he cant win at catch point. too small.

      • Joe Thomas

        4.61 isnt very fast in the NFL, and Chip wants speed. He isnt very athletic, and probably wont be shaking no one and will probably have limited YAC. Theoretically he is a good blocker, but he has yet to try to block a NFL DB, or LB, and may struggle against players who are more athletic and quicker. Cooks is a way better first round talent.

        • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

          Cooks is a slot WR. He cant win at the catch point.

          And again you cant go by the combine stats look at the on filed production, any NFL GM will tell you the same. And with his 4.6 40 he still averaged 18 yards a catch. what did cooks average?

          • Joe Thomas

            10+ catches a game. Cooks has the talent, speed and athleticism to be much more than a slot reciever. Benjamin has more bust potential. Even if Cooks did just play the slot, he can be dangerous with the ball. Cooks is the better prospect of the two.
            I dont think they end up with either anyway. Latimore or Matthews is probably more likely.

          • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

            I liek cooks route running, thats impressive and gives hoim a chance at ouside, but i want a WR that can win at the catch point. Seems like cooks has the catch radius of darren sproles lol…

            theres so many WRs its really nitpicking when deciding on the better ones..

        • HowieGambleChipsAllDay

          With that size tho I’m certain he could line up in some of those TE sets and raise hell. I’m still waiting to see Chip draw one up for Lane or Peters, each being former TEs

          • MediaMike

            He best hit the weight room if he’s going to play TE and doesn’t want to get pin balled by LBs.

      • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

        if i may quote you above:

        You dont know what you are talking about.

        • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

          except i do know what i am talking about

          • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

            50 comments on 1 thread does not make you an expert

          • oreofestar

            Damn Charlie is getting rocked my you guys lol

          • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

            who said it did?

          • MediaMike

            You know you like Benjamin more than the rest of us and are defending him, but that doesn’t make you (or anybody else) more or less correct.

          • oreofestar

            I like Benjamin love his upside but Charlie is is just going overboard for me lol

  • cliff henny

    23 bother me more than anything. maybe get a little bump in athleticism with Hals beating on him and funneling shakes down his throat, but not like a 20 or 21 yr old.

    • GEAGLE

      Yup…which is why I’m so high on Moncreif, kid will be a 21yr old rookie
      ..
      Also why I’m turned off by Hageman who will be a 24yr old rookie, and I hate older prospects who play in the trenches…don’t like mature bodies beating up on young bodies who are still growing aka Danny Watkins syndrom

      • MediaMike

        Moncreif and Matthews are two names of interest later on in the draft.

        • GEAGLE

          Later on? Don’t believe the mock fools…Moncreif won’t last past 50 ..if he were polished. Dude with those attributes would be a top 15 pick….4.40 flat at 220lbs is NO JOKE…

          A guy I love Later who I think Chip will like is Jeff janis
          ..
          L’Damien Washington is one of those hardworking overachievers, so I wouldn’t mind spending a 7th on him

          • TripSquadMonopoly

            This article alone makes me think no on KB…Work ethic just isn’t there hes not underdeveloped hes 23

          • igglesfaninportland

            Like the Jeff Janis kid. Saginal gave us a good 4th rounder a few years back. Could be repeat. I know chip likes size but cooks cooks cooks. I work with all beaver grads go to games with them cooks cant be tackled by 1 guy, slippery we would all but forget about djax 15 weeks out of the reg season

        • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

          idk about Donte, his game tape doesnt impress me, and the dude put up monster number at combine. just dont see it on the field.

          i like matthews tho

          • oreofestar

            OH Moncrief is one of my favorites MM got me at my sweet spot Matthews and Moncrief

          • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

            idk i gotta watch more of donte, but 1st impression was just “meh” Youd think he be high pointing the ball alot with the vert

      • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

        difference with Hageman is he does have elite athleticism, unlike KB

        • oreofestar

          I like Hageman not for us but just a good player and prospect which he would be there at 22

          • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

            I like him a lot too, but just not for us, too many other needs everywhere else. DL being probably our best position group, it’s maybe the one area I don’t want addressed first round (even 2nd). Some good 6th, 7th, and UDFAs that can step in and be rotational guys for us.

          • oreofestar

            yeah if Hageman were there at 54 I might want us to pull the trigger despite agreeing with everything you said but he won’t be so why bother

          • MediaMike

            If we got Hageman at 54 Howie and Chip might be pulling something other than the trigger.

          • oreofestar

        • GEAGLE

          Loved him til I found out his age…I want NOTHING to do with a mature body beating on still developing bodies in the trenches. Learned my lesson the hard way, the Danny Watkins way…I can overlook age, but not in the trenches

  • Andy124

    Those are the kinds of numbers that make me seriously wonder why Cossell is saying that Benjamin is a better athlete than Evans. Greg gets a lot of respect around these boards, but I have my doubts about him.

    • GEAGLE

      Greg’s is talking about in terms of going up and grabbing Jump balls,.

      • Andy124

        Then shouldn’t he have a better verticle?

        • GEAGLE

          That’s what I thought…forget what his exact quote was, but I remember it was about going up and getting jump balls

          • Andy124

            It’s human nature that plays made in big moments have a disproportionate impact on our perceptions and memories. He could be unconsciously influenced by the play at the end of the NCG.

          • GEAGLE

            Or KB could get up higher off 1 leg, then two legs which is how vertical is measured…I don’t know if that’s the case or not, because I haven’t watched much KB at all…but I got up way higher taking off of 1 leg, than I did jumping off two…others are the opposite

          • Andy124

            Good point. Hadn’t thought about that. I was most definitely a 2-legger. My 1-legged jumps basically amount to a long stride.

    • MediaMike

      Greg is the “go-to” expert for any QB knowledge. His weekly murdering of Kaepernick on Ross Tucker’s radio show is fantastic!

  • JofreyRice

    Kelvin Benjamomah

    • GEAGLE

      Martevis really reminds me of Momah…like I can’t get Momah out of my head when I try watching martevis

      • Tom W

        Pass on benjamin and bryant … both are old, raw, and poor hands…. if we want a project go get Coleman or devin street

        • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

          Coleman also has poor hands and is raw. Old? he isnt danny watkins

          • Tom W

            He is 23 moron. That is old as shit for a rookie. And worse yet he only had one good year in college. W really on three good games. Kinda a. Joke people are considering him in the first rd

          • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

            23 isnt old as shit, danny watkins was old as shit. theres a difference.

            You know who also had one good year? odell Beckham

        • GEAGLE

          Actually I don’t want any of them, but thanks….I do like 10 mocks a day lol, and I swear I only drafted KB and Coleman once,..never drafted Bryant…never even drafted Mike Evans

          • Tom W

            Coulda swore you said you wanted Benjamin yesterday at 22 in your treatise on big wrs.

  • GEAGLE

    This is kind of a weird article..what makes this site great is you guys usually present a topic, leave your opinion out of it and let fans come to their own conclusion…After reading the article I literally went back to the top to double check who wrote it thinking maybe a guest wrote this…curious as to why some of the quotes from highly respected people who think really highly of KB were left out? Sounds like Sheil isn’t high on KB from this article, which is weird because what makes Sheil so great is normally I have no idea how he feels about the topic because he presents it with no bias and let’s us come to our own conclusion….If negative opinions of KB were included, why weren’t ones from guys like Cossell who think he may be a better prospect than Evans included?

    • guest

      Translation: I really enjoyed your editorializing when I agreed with you, but now that you present unfavorable views about a player I have been spamming the message boards in favor of, I’m second guessing the site.

      • GEAGLE

        I don’t give a crap about KB…someone on my nuts who is so familiar with my opinions should know that

        • ohitsdom

          Obviously, it’s all about Moncreif.

  • MediaMike

    NO THANKS!
    Benjamin is a poor football player who drops far too many passes, cannot run NFL routes, and lumbering at best relative to true NFL skill players.
    He also, via a radio interview with Gil Brant, has some off the field issues with his hometown friends in Florida that would be exesarbated with an NFL level of income and free time.

    • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

      he isnt a poor football player. He is limbering because he is 6’6 240 poinds, you cant teach size!! And the guy has very little body fat

      • MediaMike

        But he doesn’t run NFL routes and has poor hands.

        • oreofestar

          I don’t love Ben or anything but hands and route running are not as bad as people make them seen and he can be coached up….I have preferences in the 1st but I would not hate them picking up Benjamin

          • GEAGLE

            Yeah I don’t get people focusing on flaws…if players with these type of attributes were polished, they would be top 15 players we have no shot at like mIke Evans…so they key is, to look for kids with ridiculous upsides who’s flaws are correctable, and that’s were the interview process becomes so important to Chip…Appreciate the correctable flaws, because that’s the only reason we even have a chance to add such high upside talent…and use the interview process to find out who are the kids you can count on to live this game, work relentless to become great, commit to your coaching so that in time, those flaws disappear and your talent starts to shine…

            You find the kids with the special upside, type of upside we can never pay for in free agency because it cost 40million dollars..our of those players with the special type of upsides, you identify the ones who you think you can correct their flaws with your coaching, and of those kids, you conduct the interviews and find the kid who will best accept your coaching and implement it til he reaches his ceiling…

            Limitations are problems, flaws are opportunities to find a super talent on your draft board.,..the polished kids, with superstar upside and little risk, don’t make it out of the top 10…we ain’t spending 40mil in free agents on superstars, so you better not be settling on safe players in the draft….certain talents like Evans. Watkins,Ebron, ODB probably won’t last til 22…,so you look at what’s left, find the kids with the elite upside like KB,Moncreif,A-Rob..and you draft the one you trust the most to work to realize that star potential…
            “”
            Plus this time of year it’s all cap anyway…with the exception of a few kids that get drafted in the top 20…name a kid who you think runs great routes or has great hands, and I’ll find you 3 “experts” who say the opposite….just like you will always find an “expert” this time of year who will say that a 6’2, 6’3 safety has “stiff hips”…

            Take a guy like Jordan Mathews. So many experts praise him as being one the most polished WRs, yet so many others say he has bad hands and runs bad routes….

          • oreofestar

            KB is a project plain and simple but his upside is as high as any wr in this draft

          • GEAGLE

            You got idiots who worry about Moncreifs hands or unpolished routes…yet he is a baby, who will be a 21yr old rookie…No one can say Moncreif can’t bust his ass to work on his route running and hands so that by the age of 24 he can be as good as Brandin Cooks in those aspects…yet no matter how much Brandin Cooks works, he will NEVER be 6’2 220lbs 4.4 FLAT, top broad jump score, third best vertical, 3rd best 40 time….but that kids Interview is going to be EVERYTHING

        • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

          He is a rookie, coach him up!!! And he doesnt have poor hands, he can make all the catches, has amazing body control. Just get thgis kid on the jug machine and coch him up, the ceiling is soooo high!!

          • GEAGLE

            I would stick a jug machine in every room in his house.
            Aim one directly at his toilet

          • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

            lol

  • peteike

    Robinson or KB? That is the interesting comparison I think based on size, I like Robinson myself

  • oreofestar

    You see I really want the Eagles to go Lattimore on Colvin even if he was healthy he would not see the field much anyway so why not take a 4th or 5th round flier on a guy that would have been gone by 54 if healthy

    • MediaMike

      Sound logic, especially if your film / medical research on the guy indicates he can step in and start in 2015, thus saving on Cary’s $ that season.

  • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

    if he is there at 22, i take him all day!!! 15 Tds!!!! The guy is a red zone nightmare for defenses!!! 6’6 Qb witha 6’6 beast like kelvin?? YES PLEASE!!!

    im not worried about the drops, the kid can make all the catches, he has the elite body control and he can high point. And he is strong after the catch. Name another 240 pound WR?? They are rare!! esp with this kids skills. He is raw but that not a problem, we have maclin and cooper.

    The kid can also block!! He can play the slot, i seen him line up at TE and stone wall a blitzer!!

    • oreofestar

      people here seem to hate him…he is a project that is for sure but that ceiling is very high

      • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

        YES!!! I dont mind a project, he isnt coming in to start day 1. And that ceiling is very high!!

        • peteike

          ya I wouldnt hate it if they drafted him. I think with the draft there is an excitement factor esp for that first pick and maybe with the drops, this guys isnt all that high. Hence the skepticism.

        • GEAGLE

          I’m not high on KB, don’t like him that much…however, I would be VERY EXCITED if we drafted him…we aren’t drafting WR because of who they were in college,we are drafting them becabe of what Chip thinks he can turn them into with two or three years of his coaching…if the eagles draft this kid high, it means Chip is convinced he can turn him into a monster..and that would be pretty damn exciting to me, no matter what I think of the kid…
          Plus in our offense, when defenses have to worry about shady, Sproles and Ertz, this kid should get less attention than he got from defenses in College…

          Lining up KB,Coop and Ertz in the redzone would be pretty damn badass…with tiny Sproles motioning all around the giant, commanding attention from defenses

          • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

            dude, we will straight up dominate in the red zone. And foles is great with the touch passes. Gives me chills thinking about it!

          • oreofestar

            Oh our redzone offense will be dominant Desean leaving actually helps the offense in that respect

          • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

            add benjamin it will be, add cooks it wont be

    • mksp

      He does NOT have elite body control. You can’t just say stuff to make it true.

      • oreofestar

        He has very good body control but that does not exactly make up for what are suspect hands in the nfl, not horrible hands but they need work

        • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

          You can work on hands.

          • oreofestar

            I agree

      • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

        Please, he does. watch the damn tape!!

    • HowieGambleChipsAllDay

      Brandon Coleman 6’6″ better value in the 3rd/4th. Trade back into the 3rd and go get him to be safe. That way you go BPA-1ST,2ND,3RD- addressing wr-olb-safety in whatever order they fall to you. Then attack specific needs in the latter rounds, which IMO would be OG, LB(inside or out), CB, DL, in any order depending on the board. It’s not drafting for need, but understanding that the best values and talents at wr-olb-safety will dry up fast, so must be addressed early

      • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

        Or.. get Kelvin AND coleman. Coleman just isnt as talented as kelvin. period.

        • Joe L

          If Brandon Coleman had a heisman QB he’d put up every bit of Benjamins numbers and more. More explosive to me.

          • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

            Oh please..

          • Joe L

            You’ve clearly never watched Coleman play or you just have a FSU bias. Much better athlete than people realize.

          • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

            I have def watched him.And i have NO fav college team, i only watch to scout what players i want the eagles to draft.

          • MediaMike

            FSU sucks! They confuse consent with rape, think 409 is less than 377, and believe a coach winning games at Happy Valley isn’t far superior to winning them at Samford.

        • HowieGambleChipsAllDay

          I wouldnt be upset. Problem is figuring out where Benjamins gonna go. His draft position above anyone’s fluctuates so much from mock 2 mock. Mid 1st to late 2nd. I get the physicality, but a guy like Allen Robinson is a much better WR in book. We’ve been in need of that big body so long tho Id live with Benjamin at 22. I’d just feel like we might have reached.

          • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

            I like robinson a lot too.. best body control in draft. plays all WR positions, can get YAC. but kelvin has rare ability when plucking the ball.

          • HowieGambleChipsAllDay

            Idk if you saw the end of that Michigan game but HOLY SH%T that kid put on a show! I have a strong feeling Obrien takes him with the Texans 2nd rounder. At least I would IIWH

          • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

            i think robinson goes 1st round.. maybe to seahawks or 49ers

            if kelvin is gone i wouldnt be mad at robinson at 22.. lol..

          • MediaMike

            Strong chance he doesn’t get past San Fran at 30.

          • oreofestar

            lol no way San Fran picks at 30

  • Rome

    The Eagles don’t need burners. They are a running team primarily and already have Shady, Sproles, Maclin, Cooper and the tight ends to get downfield. They need a big ass receiver who is deadly in the red zone. That’s Benjamin. It’s a no-brainer. Get him, Howie.

    • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

      PLUS Benjamin can get downfield and make plays. He avergaed over 15 yards a catch

      • oreofestar

        almost 19…

        • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

          tru i just looked it up!!!

      • HowieGambleChipsAllDay

        Thats all he does, which isnt a bad thing, but all we’ve talked about is how chip likes versatility and Desean was so one dimensional. Benjamins pretty one dimensional himself

        • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

          No he isnt!!! He averaged over 18 yards a catch (i was wrong) and he dominates the red zone!! And he can play the slot and he can block. thats far from one dimensional.

          And also desean wasnt one dimensional either..

    • HowieGambleChipsAllDay

      Brandon Coleman is a BIGGER guy, who’s a better receiver IMO. He played for Rutgers, which may be why people are sleeping on him. He’s likely a 3rd-4th round pick. There are NO “no brainers” at pick 22.

      • oreofestar

        I agree with the last sentence unless Barr falls and I like Coleman, also lke Adams, Moncrief, Seferian’Jenkins, Matthews, Lattimore, Robinson to name a few

      • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

        Coleman wishes he produced like kelvin did

  • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

    i think he dropped a few passes in one game… but he also dominated that whole game…

  • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

    Vs florida, he made this redzone TD, he was expecting over his one shoulder and then had to redjust as the ball is the air over to the other shoulder and plucked it no problem. That play right there, shows me alot. not many WRs can make an adjustment like that, right away i was imaging him catching passes from foles. Foles and Kelvin will dominate the red zone!! Mark my words!!

    • oreofestar

      I look at other tapes because that Florida tape was so dominant it can make you think too high of him based on that tape alone he is a top 10 pick but you have to look at some other tape like Auburn despite the game winner it was not a great game for him

      • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

        i look at it all.. every WR doesnt dominate evry game. But yeah he did get that national championship game winner!! lol.. so you already know he can win in big mommets when everything is on the line!!

        • oreofestar

          Benjamin is a player that HAS to be coached up the way he is now he can not go far in the nfl but with a guru like Chip and that ridiculously high ceiling he can have an Alshon Jeffery like 2 years, starting slow and then bursting onto the scene

          • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

            They all have to be coached up.

            And yes the best comparison for kelvin is alshon. i still cant believe alshon was a 2nd round pick!! Another guy i was begging the eagles to draft smh

          • Joe L

            Because Alshon got fat as hell his last year in college and seemed like he had major bust potential.

          • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

            i didnt care on bit about that, i seen his talent and knew hed be a beast.

            They way he attacked the ball in the air is rare.

            Its getting me mad just thinking about it..

  • JosephR2225

    He’s huge, but not much else. I have a hard time believing they wouldn’t be better off with a guy like Allen Robinson or Donte Moncreif, who aren’t quite as tall but are pretty physical and can do other receiver things like… run routes. And catch the ball.

    • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

      He is more then just big bro… step it up

      • JosephR2225

        He’s definitely not the most athletic receiver and he is, by all accounts still very raw. Obviously there is plenty of upside, but it seems to me that in this particular draft there are other WR options that are closer to sure things.

        • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

          Dont go by the combine, watch the tape he is plenty athletic.

          No WR outside of watkins and maybe evans is a sure thing.

          • juaniflaco

            I would prefer Robinson. He’s big enough, looks NFL ready and plays way faster than his 40 time.

          • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

            I like robinson a lot too.

  • TOm W

    I agree the fact that Benjamin has a horrible vertical and had one of the worse three cones really jumped out at me … he has very little natural agility or quickness … has good long deep speed for a go route or corner or post or fade in endzone but his hands are pretty awful.

    I don’t want to draft a project at 22 who is NOT athletically gifted enough to run all the routes well and break away from kids after the catch and make tough catches. He is Defensive end playing wr. Not in the deepest draft ever, especially not in the deepest wr draft ever.

    • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

      His hands arent awful. Watch the tape he is much more athletic then the tests show. Never get caught up in the tests or judge strictly on them just go back watch tape and see if the tests hold true, and IMO they dont at all.

      • Tom W

        I watch a number of his games please stop. His hands are horrible stop spamming the board and telling everyone he average 19 yds a catch in the acc. whoopie. drops a shitload of balls and runs horrible routes and is super UNATHLETIC.

        Redzone threat hahah … the kid can get outjumped by 6 1 corners w ease w that horrible vertical threat lol. I know offensive lineman w better verts and three cones ….. red flags everywhere, old age, little experience, intelligence, hands, routes, athleticism … no thank you.

        • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

          Again you have no idea what you are talking about.

          The kid out jumps corners every week, see you didnt watch shit.

          Talking about combine stats, while i talk about on field play. you are a rookie.

        • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

          agree, mostly.
          I’m also pretty high on Jameis, he made a lot of those offensive guys look very very good.

          • MediaMike

            Jameis is going to look great playing for the Mean Machine in the newest longest yard. It’ll be nice to have actual D1 talent available in the prison already.

          • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

            well, yes, there’s that hahaha. As a pure player? he’s good. And will have big year next year.
            Do I want him in eagles green? hell no

          • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

            jameis is so overrated

          • HowieGambleChipsAllDay

            Always tough when a guy had that much talent around him. Who’s that RB they got?#9 I think, converted LB, or DE? YIKES! The announcers going on and on about how God this safety from Duke is. … Next play#9 annihilates the kid. Literally runs right over top of the poor dude en route to the end zone. I know he didn’t come out this……

          • HowieGambleChipsAllDay

            KARLOS WILLIAMS=NASTY

          • HowieGambleChipsAllDay

            My thought watching Benjamin highlights (bodycatch-lights) was that Jameis was just throwing strikes. Benjamin is a body catcher but he hardly ever had to extend to get a ball they’re all right in his numbers.

            Watching what the rest of the division did to get better, I think Dallas might be tanking to get Jameis. ….. WINLESS 4 WINSTON

      • Token

        His hands arent good at all. Lets be honest. Im not taking a 1st round WR that has hand problems. Thats just stupid. Especially one thats has a huge frame but plays like a much smaller player.

        I think people fall in love with the thought of 6’5 but havent seem much play from the guy. Not only is catching the ball a issue but hes raw overall. If hes there in the 3rd round, maybe late 2nd then ok. But no way in hell is he a 1st round pick IMO.

        • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

          he can make all the catches, lapses in concentration doesnt worry me… thats is fixable.

          Plays like a smaller player?? smfh.. convo over

          • Token

            That many drops isnt concentration bud. He was dropping balls at his pro day in shorts being covered by the stagnant air in the dome.

          • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

            know who else had awful hands (per the link in the article above)? Lee

            Cooks or ODB are only WRs I’d take in 1st 2 rounds. After that, grab some mid or late (Landry, Abbderis or whatever his name is, even some of those big tall guys people love)

          • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

            in 2012 he was catching everything. id take Lee over cooks and ODB all day every day.

          • borntosuffer

            Bad hands are drive killers in all offenses – but especially Kelly’s where there is a lot of take what the D gives you. Can’t imagine Chip will be jumping on any of that in the first round. But, I’ve been wrong before.

        • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

          uh oh Token’s arrived.
          bring that truth hammer down.

          but did you see he had 15 TDs? woooooow

          • Token

            Yea what I find interesting is he only had 3 games over 100 yards as a 6’5 WR in college playing mostly powder puff teams on the schedule. Two of those games came in the last two weeks of the season.

            Most of his games are 2 or 3 catch days. This is a 6’5 240lb guy in college going up against future insurance salesmen. With a real good QB to boot.

            Wonder if its because he runs like 2 routes? Throw in weak hands. Youll see him not use his body to his advantage to shield corners.

            Also a one year wonder in college. Wonder if that because of the QB change?

            They seem to like to hide him in the slot or off the line a decent amount. Struck me as odd for a guy his size.

            If they can snag him in the 3rd as a project cool. But hes gonna get really over picked I think, I just hope its not by us. Chip can favor size over talent.

    • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

      I don’t want to draft a project at 22 who is NOT athletically gifted enough to run all the routes well and break away from kids after the catch and make tough catches.

      I feel the same about him with anything below pick 30. After that, I’d pull the trigger.

      • MediaMike

        Correct, you don’t go shopping in the project bin with a first rounder.

        • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

          every player in the draft is a project

          • MediaMike

            You know, I might not have seen this if you only said it to Rob.

          • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

            so nice it’s on here twice!

            I’m done with him MM. spams the sh!t out of Tommy’s site too, with this “i’m an expert” crap. have fun.

          • MediaMike

            Ha ha. I don’t mind it from his view of Xs and Os, but I could do with a little less of the denigration of other people’s views on the guy.

          • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

            Al least im talking about football instead of me posting alot of football stuff..

      • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

        every player is the draft is a project

        • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

          thanks yoda. but you know what makes 32 men in this world a GM, and not you? the ability to reduce the likelihood of drafting a failed project. and that starts with looking at college production numbers and tape with, well, some actual skill. Not the # of TDs and height = awezome red zone threat!

          • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

            You mad bro??

  • TOm W

    his is old as hell. little college experience. He does nothing for me. I watched 6 games now of his and even his good games aren’t that impressive bc he drops so many balls and has a hitch before he makes a move in his routes that every cb can catch up on. Cant run the Route tree. I’m not drafting a tall lumbering deep threat w bad hands as my 22d pick in the deepest draft ever.

    O yeah he will be 23 as a rookie … that’s old as hell. and he only played one good year of college. so basically his upside is minimal based on his age. I would so rather than Robinson, cooks or odb at 22 … or obviously trade down and take whoever is left.

    • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

      danny watkins was old as hell

      You suck at this football thing

      • MoreViolence

        And Danny Watkins was also THE BEST GUARD EVER…

        • HowieGambleChipsAllDay

          Guarding the fire hydrant while the men fought the blaze maybe.

          • MediaMike

            I would actually more classify him as a hose handler, but have it your way.

      • Joe Thomas

        Really, smh.

  • oreofestar

    Not that it is a good thing but my boy Brandon Thomas tore his acl which means stock drop which means more value

    • GEAGLE

      When? The OL from Clemson?

      • oreofestar

        yeah…

        • GEAGLE

          Nooooo. Love that kid

          • oreofestar

            I LOVE HIM TOO but think about it this way he was not starting year one anywy so if he slips a little we can still draft him, plus he may still be ready sometime next year I do not know severity of injury

          • GEAGLE

            Totally agree..hopefully this injury causes him to fall to the 5th

  • oreofestar

    You know who you are person sucking Benjamin way to hard and people giving him way to much sh** I think it is simple he is a project and has crazy bust potential and needs work not ready to play effectively right away but you can not ignore potential and upside and it is through the roof with him if Kely thinks he can coach this kid up into a BEAST then I am fine because the kid ceiling is higher than Coleman and Robinson

    • GEAGLE

      Very fair……fortunately we can count on our coach valuing the interview process as much as anyone…we won’t draft anyone unless we believe they have that Obsessive work ethic to great, highly coachable and willing to make any Sacrifice for team success…which makes drafting high upside projects much more comforting…and when it’s obvious you won’t pay for big money freè agents, you BETTER draft some serious superstar potential and coach it up so that it pans out

  • ztom6

    benjamin will definitely get overdrafted… may even be the 2nd WR taken. And I don’t like him for the Eagles. I’ll be rooting for him to go from picks 1-21 so that another player will drop.

    • MediaMike

      Can he please be a Giant? Or a Cowboy?

      • oreofestar

        That would be good because they would not get the best out of Benjamin and it would mean they do not get Ebron, Evans, Donald, Barr or some great player

        • MediaMike

          Yeah and counting on the Giants to draft a Justine Puke level stiff two years in a row might be a bit much to ask.

          • oreofestar

            unlike Howie they will reach that was displayed last year so if they really a big wr then hope Evans is gone cuz they may reach on Kelvin and that offensive coaching staff will let that upside go to waste

        • ztom6

          I’d be happy to see Ebron and Donald go high. Ebron would play the same pos as Ertz and I don’t see Donald being projected as a 2 gap player. The more 4-3 players, QBs, TEs, LTs, and reach picks like Benjamin in the first 21 picks the better.

          So that includes other guys like Hageman, Shazier, Mosley, Manziel, Bridgewater, Carr, Bortles, and so on. The more of those guys picked high the better.

    • anon

      A run on Wrs wouldn’t surprise me, especially for guys with size (and Cooks).

  • oreofestar

    Panthers signed Avant

    • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

      Good for jason. He will get plenty of playing time there. And help teach the 4-5 WRs they will need to draft lol..

    • GEAGLE

      Did they? I’m glad!

    • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

      I wish him well.

      • borntosuffer

        Yep. Class act all the way. Good luck to him.

  • MediaMike

    Different type question for the group;
    any late (5th or 7th) round guys you’re really interested in seeing the Eagles take? I have a few dudes I keep drafting later using First-Pick, but that isn’t quite the same thing.
    Barrow and Loston from LSU interest me a tad, but I’m curious if y’all have any guys you like.

    • GEAGLE

      Deandre Coleman Bennie Logan clone…if I had to bet on one player I thought would be drafted by the eagles it would be him..5th-6th

      Jonathon Dowling..6’3 190 safety, 4.52 speed..9INTs 8FF last two years..6th round-possibly UDFA LOVE HIM
      ..
      Jeff Janis WR 6’3 220lbs, 4.46 this white boy CAN JUMP!

      If we can’t get 5tech Brent Urban in the 4th, wouldn’t mind a 6th-Undrafted flier on Taylor hart or Josh Muaro

      Antone Exum, my fav CB prospect, 3years of safety experience..6’0 213lbs at CB, 6’0 220lbs at safety…shredded at either weight.4th or 5th, if it weren’t for the injury be 2nd or 3rd..strong, physical press, good tackling..
      ..
      Biseko Lokombo,..OLB from Oregon in 7th

      Christian Kirksey I adore, thought he would go 4th or 5th, now I’m starting to worry he goes higher…so much Billy can do with a LB with such freak cover skills in subpackages…

      L’Damien Washington..6’4 190lb WR…7th round, raw as hell. But deep threat playmaking potential..known as a really hard worker, overachiever type so he should appeal to us in interviews…and a 6’4 WR who is fast and high Charecter may not be a bad player to take a 7th round flier on

    • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

      If Dri Archer is still around at that point id take a flyer, i think de;anthoney will be gone by then.

      • GEAGLE

        I actually think Dri could be drafted in the 5th with Dat going in the 7th…but who knows, I don’t care for either

        • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

          idk de’anthoney can do more things and is way more polished at playing WR then Dri.

    • GEAGLE

      Tampa is said to be in love with barrow

    • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

      Wynn, from Richmond

  • HowieGambleChipsAllDay

    Curious what you guys think, but I like our cornerbacks for 2014, especially after the Carroll addition. Expiring contracts dictate that we’ll need to address the position before 2015, but from a size, tackling, aggressiveness standpoint they’re damn good. All 4 play special teams well if needed. And the 3 returning members did a number on some good receiving corps down the stretch, Chi, Allas (No D), New Orleans. If we do draft a corner I don’t thinks it’ll be early, and I hope he’s 6’2″+

    • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

      Agreed. i wouldnt mind stanley jean baptist after the 1st some point.

      • Javi Echie

        Except Baptiste is allergic to tackling to I don’t think Chip will have too much interest in him. They may look at Pierre Desir out of Lindenwood is they’re looking for a tall corner that will tackle

        • GEAGLE

          Antone exum

    • Warhound

      Unlike a bunch of the “experts”, I don’t expect a DB high in the draft. It’s more likely if they truly go w’ BPA.

      • HowieGambleChipsAllDay

        It’s mind boggling how often they throw CB out there. And their reasoning is always that we need to upgrade the spot, which is debatable. Never that all 4 contacts expire by 2015, Fletcher expires this year.

        There’s definitely better CBs out there, but in the grand scheme, it’s far from a weakness. Get a little pass rush going and I’ll bet one of them even gets Pro Bowl “consideration” Probably Boykin.

  • GEAGLE

    Cody Lattimore also visited Philly today(he was at Jim’s steak)
    .
    WR coach Bicknell worked out Brandon Coleman and Quran Pratt this morning,,,
    ,,,
    KB was here,.,
    ..
    Any other WR I’m missing associated with eagles today?

    • Javi Echie

      Those are the only ones I’ve heard of. I really hope the Coleman workout went good I’m a big fan of his from watching him soo much living in central jersey.

      • GEAGLE

        Interesting kid, before this year he was on his way to becoming a TD machine..but like Roby and Lee he struggled this year, tho word is he was soldiering thru a knee injury all year…..at the very least I thnk Chip can turn him into a quality RZ weapon, and he is strong as hell and likes to block so he would appeal to our run game…kid with long arms setting the top score in the bench press isn’t easy…we should just draft like 5 Giant pass catchers, hope two or three pan out and we will be set for years lol:
        1) KB 6’5 240lbs
        2) Austin Sefarian Jenkins 6’5 265lbs
        3) Donte Moncroef 6’2 220lbs
        4) Brandon Coleman 6’6 225lbs
        5) Jeff Janis 6’3 220lbs
        6) Colt Lyerla 6’4 240
        7) L’Damien Washington 6’4 190lbs 4.46 pretty damn fast
        .. Lol
        Hope we can get lucky and out of 7 talents, we get an Alshon Jeffries, Josh Gordon and Vernon Davis…lol
        ..
        Trade two of the lessor ones for more picks next year, and we will be set at skill positions for the next 5 years lol…

        This is for you Cliff…since you were kind enough to give me Biseko Lokombo earlier :)

        • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

          i dont think colt gets drafted

    • JReamer

      Are they planning a Cooks visit?

      • GEAGLE

        Haven’t heard anything but I’m sure they will..

  • Tom W

    Btw everyone can thank me for emailing first pick.com and asking them to make their trades much closer to the trade chart most gms use. They changed it this morning and its much more realistic. Can’t trade down too much still or it’s unrealistic but gather and extra third and fifth and I will be happy in a month.

  • Mike

    I really hope unless someone like Evans or maybe Lee, that we go,defense round 1 and grab Jordan Matthews in rd2. I don’t understand why he’s not a first rd pick, set SEC reception record with less than stellar QB play, 6 3 so he fits the height requirements,doesn’t have drop or character issues and answered the speed question with a 4.4 40.

    • anon

      He does have drop issues, not as bad as Lee, but it’s above 7%.

  • Don

    I really think Allen Robertson of Penn state is much better than Benjamin and faster with great hands and really good at the sideline catches with great jumping ability

  • HowieGambleChipsAllDay

    Let’s go side by side: Coleman vs. Benjamin pro day edition. You be the judge. I think you get a feel for how much more natural catching the ball is for Coleman, tho that could be because he’s not trying to catch lasers from Famous Jameis also… Your call. …

    http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zsL3e-HACTI Coleman

    http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lr7NOECPmdo Benjamin

    • anon

      These are good; agree.

    • Will

      Kevin Benjamin looked great at combine smooth….who’s throwing the balls behind him in this tape?

      • HowieGambleChipsAllDay

        Good point. They also say he showed up 17lbs overweight? I don’t see it. These guys are bigger than some TEs in the league. I keep thinking Chip would have so many packages for them it’s ridiculous.

    • miketd1

      Rutgers fan here. Coleman has inconsistent hands — body catches a lot. He also had a tendency to just disappear for stretches (effort?). However he is powerfully built, provides a huge target, and is a willing blocker. Wouldn’t mind him in the 4-5th rounds.

      • HowieGambleChipsAllDay

        Yeah. You don’t get that picture from highlights. Wish they had NCAARewind to check these dudes out a little more in depth.

  • Rick H

    As I said yesterday I see Benjamin being a guy that falls into the 2nd round. I just don’t like him unless he was still there late in round 3. The NFL is fast fast fast! He is not. More like a TE. I hope the Eagles DO NOT take him! Cooks/ODB/Lee all make sense because they could use any one of those wr’s in their very first year to back off the secondary.
    If Chip doesn’t like any of those three in rd 1 then the Eagles go defense with Poyer/Hix/Dennard/Mosley(any lb position Mosley can play) Nose tackle Nix. Hopefully in rd 2 one of the above mentioned guys drop into late 2nd round (unlikely/wishful) or Robinson is there for Eagles in round 2.
    So would everyone be happy if we were to get Poyer in round 1 and Robinson in round 2? I would be happy for sure!
    I am however really intrigued by Cooks. He is fast/in game fast/stronger/stockier then exiled Jackson ever was. Bubble screens will really work a lot better with Cooks because he will run through guys and initiate contact instead of run out of bounds for 5 yards. Cooks will break tackles and get a first down or much needed extra yards after the catch to make the all important “down & distance” significantly easier with the fast pace offense. That part of his game is right up Chip’s alley plus he will run the reverse/end around and put serious on the defense all day long. Cooks is physical and that factors in a lot to me.

    • HowieGambleChipsAllDay

      Benjamin sliding to the third seems like a stretch, but who knows? We rarely hear how these guys interview, which, if shows any character flaw can wreck him, and initiate a big slide.

      Cooks seems like a natural for this system. Any system. Robinson for that matter also. Tho I dont think he’ll last long into round 2. He’s so under appreciated in this class.

      Dennard is awesome, but we don’t need him at all. If we took him, you’d have to applaud them actually taking the BPA, i guess and not just talking about it. I realize it’s irresponsible, but I want an offensive weapon early. When we go up against San Fran and Seattle, I want them on their heels. Not like that super bowl. I wanna score at will, to the point is boring and robotic. I want them to know we’re a problem.

      • Rick H

        I agree with your points except I believe Dennard would by mid season replace Williams or Fletcher.

  • GEAGLE

    Seriously I thought Clemson OL Brandon Thomas was going to be one of best lineman to come out of this draft…dude was a 2nd round pick who could have snuck into the end of round 1..kid tore his ACL today…if that kid falls to round 5 because of the injury. I would scoop him and stick him on I.R before you could say I.R

    IMO he projects as one of the top OGs in this draft class while providing depth at Tackle….unfortunately the Niners have more picks than they have roster spots so they can afford to draft a talent like him earlier than we can…if he falls in the draft, he will be a great value pick, especially since we didn’t need him to play this year anyway

    • Will

      Anthony Steen OG Alabama would be a nice fit for are blocking schemes…

  • HowieGambleChipsAllDay

    Becham vs. Cooks For those concerned about Cooks size/durability, you get a good ideal of his physical make up here. Seems thicker than ODB. They’re each so much better at snatching the football than the 2 big guys. Beyond just making adjustments, which you expect from two little guys.They both play like they’re 6’3″. Some might think I’m Im fixated on these 4, but to me it’s really about them being so prototypical, in their physical atributes, and style of play. I see Chip having a field day drawing plays for them …….40′s and highlights

    COOKS: 40yd
    http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pDU0-ggz1E4
    Highlights
    http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sjNHpFNA6J0

    Beckham 40yd
    http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3CprjywVAHo
    highlights

    • HowieGambleChipsAllDay

      Then there’s Archer, against lesser talent but, damn! This is what everyone thinks we’re getting from Sproles.

      • anon

        I’d be surprised if Sproles has more than 30 carries.

        • HowieGambleChipsAllDay

          30 carries on the season? I’ll take the under. They’ll have to give him a handoff occasionally to keep the defense honest, but not much more.

          I always liked D.Sproles his entire career, but I can’t get pumped about a 31yr old, 3rd down back. Hard to make an impact as a ball carrier without explosive power or explosive speed. I’m sure he’ll make some plays. But in the long run, we would have been better served drafting a kid like this with that 5th rounder. In sports science we trust.

          • anon

            I think he’ll have a fair number of catches. He’s good coming out of the backfield and is a pretty crisp route runner. I understand the age issue but really we’re only looking for 500-700yds for him.

            I don’t know if he can block, but he’s a pro. I actually think NOs offense of the last couple of years is kind of what we want to do. Tons of 600-800 yd guys — different guys pop every week. Terrible for fantasy and d. coords alike.

          • HowieGambleChipsAllDay

            I see your point about us equally distributing the ball. Biggest factor there might be Foles. If he starts to gain supreme confidence in one guy, who always works himself open he’ll keep looking for him. Showed with #10 last year when you look at his targets.

          • PaoliBulldog

            If anecdotal evidence matters, then yes, Sproles can block. I live in NOLA and saw him a lot. He’s short, strong-legged and muscular. I’ve seen him stone linebackers repeatedly and he has great instincts for blitz pickups.

  • Will

    Your score is: 4987 (GRADE: A-)

    Your Picks:

    Round 1 Pick 12 (NYG): Calvin Pryor, FS, Louisville (A-)
    Round 2 Pick 5 (ATL): Kelvin Benjamin, WR, Florida State (A-)
    Round 3 Pick 7 (CLE): Jeremiah Attaochu, OLB, Georgia Tech (A)
    Round 3 Pick 22: Daniel McCullers, DT, Tennessee (B)
    Round 4 Pick 22: Anthony Steen, OG, Alabama (B)
    Round 5 Pick 22: Antone Exum, CB, Virginia Tech (A)
    Round 6 Pick 26 (N.O.): Chris Boswell, K, Rice (A)
    Round 7 Pick 22: Deandre Coleman, DT, California (A)

    • EaglesFanInPhx

      You’re high if you think they move up to take pryor.

      • Will

        moved up Barr, Evans and Kony were gone…was the BPA…unless your a fan of Dee Ford who I don’t think would fit the Defensive scheme…

  • Will

    Jason Avant signs one year deal with the panthers…

    • anon

      “…” is exactly what i was thinking. They are doing cam a huge disservice going in to his contract year — he cant be happy.

      • HowieGambleChipsAllDay

        Big discussion building whether gits like him and Kap are gonna see the big $20M a year deals his like Peyton, Brees, and Brady get. Kap is on record that he feels he should be paid in that ball park. Can’t imagine Cam feels any different. Id think they’re more in the $15M range, average per year. Think that’s what it’ll take to resign Foles too, if he has 2 more solid years.

        • anon

          It’s really a good question and i think hard for GMs to gauge the value of those guys — I’d let RW set the market I think both CAM / CK have an extra year on their deal b/c they were early round picks (that could be wrong).

          Cuter makes $15+, Romo makes more, I think those guys are at least on that level, especially CAM. I think statistically it’s probably hard to put those guys in the $20mm range — though in terms of W/L record makes sense.

          Interesting to see what happens with Dalton. I think he could be the end of Marvin Harrison’s career in Cinci.

          • HowieGambleChipsAllDay

            You mean Marvin Lewis….. And HELL NO! That dude is TEFLON! The amount of times I swore he was toast. He’s got the same gene as the killers in horror movies have. They get their brains beat in and just keep coming back. I actually think he’s a good coach tho. We’ll see this year, Now that he’s lost both his coordinators.

            Dalton is in the same boat Flacco was a couple years ago. I’d rank Cincy 3rd in that conference, tied with Indy. Their secondary is slipping at the wrong time tho, cuz the rest of that team is set up to compete. They’ll be as good Dalton plays.

            He’s in my 3rd tier of qbs. Young up&comers with no rings, but who have been prolific at times, and have shown enough to believe they could challenge on the right team. Gits like Luck, Kap, RG3, Foles, maybe Alex Smith. Based on career accomplishments to this point. Luck is definitely about to leave that group tho.

  • Will

    Your Picks:

    Round 1 Pick 11 (TENN): Khalil Mack, OLB, Buffalo (A)
    Round 1 Pick 22: Hasean Clinton-Dix, FS, Alabama (A)
    Round 1 Pick 28 (CAR): Kelvin Benjamin, WR, Florida State (B)
    Round 3 Pick 22: Donte Moncrief, WR, Ole Miss (A-)
    Round 4 Pick 22: Rashaad Reynolds, CB, Oregon State (A)
    Round 5 Pick 22: Brandon Coleman, WR, Rutgers (B+)
    Round 7 Pick 22: Cairo Santos, K, Tulane (B-)

  • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

    “Dominated S’s and LBs in the slot” – Mike Mayock on kelvin during combine

  • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

    The kid can throw some blocks as well!!

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  • Rahkem

    I think YAC keeps him off the team , peronally id much rather have OBJ , Marqise lee or Allen Robinson , guys with decent size but more polished and huge threats in the open field.

  • PaoliBulldog

    Secondary needs depth, of course, but OG is gonna need some help really soon. Lots of help.

  • Bird of Prey

    I hope they don’t go this route, with that speed he looks like a TE, w/mediocre hands. If you look at his chart, his vertical leap was terrible as well. With his size and speed using him around the goal line or in the middle for third down conversions. But that’s where the vertical and hands kill him. He can be covered by a smaller DB who can jump. Maybe I’m wrong, he did have a good year last year, but I have a real problem with receivers that cannot catch.

    Colvin played pretty well in college for a senior, smart player but not a real big guy. He played real well for the Sooners last year. I watched them twice on TV. Beat Alabama and played well on that team. He may be a good fit.

  • Chris Jones

    I would take Robinson, cooks, or Matthews before this guy. Benjamin seems more like a 2nd-3rd rounder project.

  • SallyForth

    No thank you and no thank you.
    While I understand “due diligence” it’s still a wonder why the Birds bother with players like Benjamin and Colvin.

  • Jimbo99

    LOL, Kiper Jr. comments Benjamin is basically another Megatron Calvin Johnson with that size, a TE playing WR. He’s another Plaxico Burress, yet hasn’t shot himself in the leg. I want the Eagles to get this wr. Reminds me of the Harold Carmichael days.

    Kiper Jr says he doesn’t create separation ? What exactly did he do when Auburn couldn’t cover him. Mismatches of height and size create separation. I think Benjamin has the makings to be even better than Boldin ?