Kelly Leaves Door Open For DeSean Trade

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ORLANDO, Fla. - Chip Kelly started and ended with a joke.

Upon seeing the enormous crowd at his table in the Ritz-Carlton ballroom Wednesday morning, Kelly pointed out that the table for the Super Bowl-winning coach, Pete Carroll, was down the way.




Then after about an hour of answering questions, Kelly threw one back at the reporters.

"Does this mean you guys don't have to hang out in front of the bathrooms anymore?" he asked.

But everyone's been waiting to get Kelly's take all week on the DeSean Jackson situation. Both on a local level and a league-wide level, observers want to know what the future holds for the 27-year-old wide receiver. Kelly answered question after question, sometimes complimenting Jackson and other times leaving the door wide open for a potential trade.

"I’ve talked to DeSean and I just think when you deal with situations like that, everything we do is player to player, player to coach," he said. "But we’ve had a good conversation, and we’re always gonna do what’s best for the football team. But I think he knows where we are. I know where he is. So I feel very comfortable about it. But my conversations with him aren’t things that I think I need to have a conversation with everybody else about."

Kelly spoke to Jackson right after the season before the players left Philadelphia. The two didn't chat again until two days ago. At no point during today's session did Kelly indicate strongly that the wide receiver would be back with the team in 2014.

The simple question many want answered is this: How could the offense possibly be better without a player who caught 82 balls for 1,332 yards and nine touchdowns last year?

"I don’t think our offense has ever been predicated on one player," Kelly said. "I think we used three quarterbacks last year. We used multiple running backs. Our tight ends are integral to what we do. I think we have an outstanding offensive line. It’s never been just about one guy. And that’s why I think we have diversity. We were first in rushing and I think ninth in passing. I think there’s balance in terms of how we do things. You want great players at every position. And I think that’s what we’re always striving for in terms of where we can put people into positions. But it’s never been predicated on just one guy. Because if it is, if he’s out for a water break or hurt for an extended period of time, then you’re gonna be in trouble."

There have been several theories about why Kelly would even consider getting rid of Jackson after last year's success.

One-by-one, the suggestions were posed to the head coach.

Is it his salary?

"I don’t deal with numbers. That’s not my job. My decisions are all: 'Where do guys fit scheme-wise?' All those other things. I don’t look at it and say: 'I want that guy to make this much money, this guy should make this much money, that guy should make that much money. That doesn’t kind of fall into my domain."

Jackson's use of social media?

"I think everybody does what they want on social media. I’m not a big social media guy. Guys in the offseason can do whatever they want. I’ve never looked at that as a positive or a negative. It’s just kind of the society that we live in."

Did he fit into the culture?

"DeSean did a good job. He played 16 games for us, practiced every day. I had no issues with him."

His issues with WRs coach Bob Bicknell?

"I think you guys saw that, but I think there’s a lot of yelling and screaming that goes along in competitive situations, whether it’s player/player or player/coach, coach/coach. That’s just part of the game. But I don’t see that as serious at all."

His work ethic?

"DeSean was there every single day, yeah. In the year I had him, yeah. Everything I asked him to do, I think he was outstanding in OTAs and the offseason program. I think he was one of our higher guys in terms of 28 or 29 out of 30 or 32. He was there every day in-season, practiced every day. I think there was maybe an ankle here or something like that, but not like anybody else. But he was there every day for us."

Asked specifically if he wants Jackson on the team, Kelly said: "I like DeSean. DeSean did a really nice job for us. But we’re always gonna do what’s best for the organization."

That answer could have been answered with a simple yes. But it wasn't And so the strong possibility that the team wants to Jackson still exists.

Birds 24/7 reported earlier this offseason that Jackson was unsure of where he stood with the organization. Kelly had not reached out to him until a couple days ago. Coincidentally, the conversation took place two days before the head coach knew he would be sitting down with the media for an hour.

"I talked to some of our guys at a certain point in time during the [offseason]," Kelly said. "Obviously there were a million reports out there, so I said I’d rather have him talk to me than read what’s in the paper.

"I don’t follow everything you guys do so I may have missed one or two of them. Why did I do it then? I thought it was important at that point in time for me to call him so that he heard it from me and I talked to him."

Asked if Jackson had reached out to him at any point, Kelly added: "Not that I know of, no."

Following last season, Jackson was asked if he wanted the team to redo his contract, and he said he would like something to be worked out. But Kelly indicated that neither the wide receiver nor his agent had approached the Eagles about a restructure.

"He didn’t ask for a new contract," Kelly said. "I think he was asked a question in the locker room in post-game, but DeSean never came to me or never came to Howie [Roseman] or anybody and said that I want a new contract."

Asked if he was bothered that Jackson made the comments about his contract to reporters, Kelly said: "I don’t care. I really don’t care. My conversations with our players or how we deal with our players is we deal with them face to face, we talk to them. If someone wants to talk to the media and say different things, I don’t send my message back to those guys through the media. So if he has an issue with anything, and I talked to him after the season, and I talked to him after that. I said come talk to us. In that conversation, that never came up."

Jackson's role in the Eagles' offense last year cannot be overstated. The team focused on running the ball, but when teams loaded up against LeSean McCoy, the offense did damage downfield. Jackson was a key part of that, and Kelly admitted as much.

“I think what he does and speed and ability to separate, make plays and things like that is key." he said.

"I think it’s a key component. For anything, I think if you asked me what you want in a wide receiver, you want someone that can separate from one-on-one coverage, be where you’re supposed to be when you’re supposed to be there with separation and catch the football. And that’s the biggest aspect for it."

But he then offered hints that perhaps the Eagles could find someone else to fill a similar role.

"It can come in a lot of different ways. It can be the speed element of it. It can be the power and size element of it. There’s a lot of different ways to cut it. There’s certain guys in our league that have both and that’s why they’re elite. They have the size element of it, they also have the speed element of it. There’s a lot of different ways to do it."

And so the saga continues.

The truth is the Eagles really don't have to rush a decision. The draft is not until May 8. The feeling here is that the team gauged the market this week, but didn't field any attractive offers. Part of the problem is other teams want to know why the Eagles seem willing to part with one of the best vertical threats in the NFL. And so far, there is no clear-cut answer.

The offseason program (not mandatory) begins on April 21. Kelly would not say whether he expects Jackson to be on the roster at that time.

"I don’t anticipate anybody being on the roster at that point in time," he said. "Or I anticipate them all being [on the roster]. I’ve never been, and you guys have been around me for a year, I don’t predict the future so when we get rolling on April 21, then we’ll get going. But the good thing about April 21 is it’s not mandatory for anybody either, so who’s there and who isn’t there, I don’t know."

Asked whether the Eagles have talked to teams about a potential Jackson trade, Kelly said: "I don’t think it’s beneficial for me to talk about any player on our team, what inquiries have been made or haven’t been made in terms of… I don’t think that’s the proper way to do business to be honest."

If something is going to get done, chances are it will happen in the next six weeks.

But for now, DeSean-watch 2014 continues.

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  • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

    DeSean is a goner at the right price. Or he’s a draft day trade or something. But nothing about this interview suggests they are going to pay him 10 mil next year.

    • K.

      Or that thy will trade him for a 3rd ronder either…

    • SoCalEaglesFan

      Lesean McCoy is a goner at the right price. So is Nick Foles. No player on the roster is sacrosanct.

      • ceedubya9

        Foles would probably be the only player that would not be gone if they think he is the franchise QB.

        • aub32

          I disagree. Kelly always talks about having 2 QBs and no one player making the team. Foles likely has a very high price but there’s still a price.

          • ceedubya9

            I was speaking more so as to right now. Behind Foles, you have much bigger question marks, and viable starting QBs are much harder to replace than WR or RB. At least, for now, Foles would probably be the only player that is off limits. That of course could change depending on how the backup/backups fair in the coming months.

    • Bullwinkle

      Almost any player on any roster is a goner at the right price. The fact that Jackson is still with the Eagles is an indication that they are not planning to just give him away. There is no player on the roster who can do what Jackson does. I’m hoping there is a solid plan to get a legitimate deep threat or they should keep Jackson. If Jackson stays with the Eagles, hopefully he will learn (be humbled) by this experience.

      • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

        “Almost any player on any roster is a goner at the right price”

        Hyperbole much.

        A player has to be shopped for the “right price” to come up. No one is asking about McCoy ’cause he is not available. DeSean is available – and it seems something as little as a 3rd would get it done.

        I bet less if they really, really don’t want to chuck up that 10mil. Every player isn’t available for the right price. Cause every player isn’t available for trade.

        • A Roy

          I disagree. McCoy would be available for the right price. The only reason teams don’t approach us is they understand just how high that price is and choose not to attempt it. There’s no such thing as unavailable at any price.

      • aub32

        Humbled? What did the guy do? Even Chip acknowledged all he did was answer a question. There were no demands made.

  • Andy

    Any reporter who asks a player if they’d like a new contract should be banned from the locker room for life.

    • Richard Colton

      Do you think you’re worth more than they pay you? Or less?

      Hell, even Andrew Bynum thinks he’s underpaid.

    • Kevin

      If we asked Sheil, Tim, Les, Kempski, etc, if they would like a raise or better compensation, my guess is that they all would say yes. Does that mean they would then be fired or there would be speculation about them moving to a different employer? It’s life. We all need to maximize what we do and what is important to each of us.

      • Eagles1018

        I’m sure that I’m not the only person that works in corporate America on this board. But I’ve worked at 2 companies where they do annual surveys and ask employees how they feel about their salary. You typically get 80 percent of them (anonymously) saying they’re underpaid. But no one is ever fired for it. So yeah I agree

        • Kevin

          I am in the same boat. Of course after those surveys, HR always has some statistic to show you that your pay level is above the average and that the company is progressive when it comes to “total compensation”.

          Bottom line is every organization has a number or value on its employees and that will change from employee to employee and position to position. Worth is always a contextual and subjective thing.

        • Eagles4Life

          Absolutely correct.

    • GumboGumbo

      T-Mac was the one who lit this powder keg. He’s not fully to blame but certainly not innocent

      • Mr. Magee

        I think you’re exactly right Gumbo

      • GEAGLE

        Yeah, don’t think he represented us fans to well that day. If you are going to be a conduit to the fans, I doubt you should be doing ish that can hurt the fans team, especially when wtf do you really have to gain by asking that ridiculously stupid question….it’s like me walking into phillymags office and try and get Tim to talk about how he isn’t being paid enough by his employer…
        ..
        If Tim and Sheil weren’t above such TMZ drama inciting line of questioning..I wouldn’t rip them for it…if L-Bow aka worthLES Bowan did that, I can’t even blame him because he is a back and needs dumb ish like that to maintain mindless readers this time of year

  • Explorer51

    After reading Chip’s comments, I can’t see Jackson being released though a trade is absolutely still possible. A key paragraph here which reflects his oft-stated desire for size and strength : “It can come in a lot of different ways. It can be the speed element of it. It can be the power and size element of it. There’s a lot of different ways to cut it. There’s certain guys in our league that have both and that’s why they’re elite. They have the size element of it, they also have the speed element of it.” Regardless of what happens with Jackson, I would bet that our primary drafted WR (s) won’t be fast little guys.

    • GEAGLE

      Moncreif!!! 6’3 220 4.4 and physical…and the eagles know for a fact that they can get him…

      • meteorologist

        True, that’s very impressive. And looked good in run blocking But very important:
        Small hands, and didn’t see RAC skills any better than Maclin,

        • mksp

          Small hands that he’s afraid of using to catch the ball.

          I promise you we’re not drafting Moncreif. Bust written all over him.

      • Tom W

        Not a hands catcher … lets the ball get to his body a lot of times … doesn’t use his size to his advantage as much as I hoped

        • Eagles1018

          I watched the highlights from his game against lsu. I know highlights don’t tell the whole story BUT…from my untrained eye (admittedly or I’d be working in the nfl) he is a decent route runner. Not great hands and there was one play where the ball deflected off his hands that he over ran the pass and tried to adjust. I will say with his frame and just from that video he seems to be a willing and capable blocker. In a run first offense like we have that’s great…and considering we let our best run blocking WR go in Avant. I like him as a 3rd rounder if he’s there. His frame IMO indicates he may not be there in the 4th if they wait. Good observation Geagle. Also, he doesn’t have to come in being the man. His hands and more precise route running can be worked on. We don’t need to and would stupid to think we should “replace” Desean Jackson. You need an adequate player, there’s only one Desean Jackson

          • meteorologist

            I just watched the same video. Nice job xD

          • GEAGLE

            It was much less stressful in October, when I wanted the kid and everyone thought he was a 4th rounder. BY the draft he won’t get passed 40
            ..
            IN the first round, I would prefer a more can’t miss top prospect like ODB…but if we can get out of round 1 and into the first two or 3 picks in round two, that kid would be perfect. That’s where you get round 1 talent with a question or two, like Desean.
            ..
            Now I know nothing about who he is, but if he is a good kid, who will work his butt off for us, and has one of those insane Mike Jordan drives to be great, then draft him where ever the hell you want if you believe your coaching staff knows what to do with him…I don’t care if a few players will be better rookies, when the kid turns into a monster his sophmore year

        • GEAGLE

          So he struggles to jerk off. I can overlook that…now tell me about all his uncorrectable limitations please?
          ..
          Donte Whitner “couldn’t cover”, then he worked at it and had a great year…

          Celek couldn’t catch a cold, while running Naked in the North Pole the last two years of Andy’s tenure, then he got coached up and was as reliable as it gets
          ..
          Dashan Goldson had a bad year tackling. He just hired a tackling coach, guess what will happen next year?

          • GEAGLE

            Desean is being traded because of hand size

          • Adam G

            Think you would be interested in this, apparently draft success is pretty random unless you are Matt Millen

            http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2014/2/25/5430150/nfl-draft-history-worst-picks

          • GEAGLE

            Does that account for your HC knowing most of the kids in the draft for the past 5 seasons?

          • Adam G

            No, I would read it though. It really is interesting. One of the better drafting articles I’ve read. I knew that long term there’s almost no drafting advantage, its mostly luck. Except if you are Matt Millen who was the worst drafter in the history of drafting.

          • GEAGLE

            I don’t believe that. We put TOO MUCH emphasis on Charecter and mental makeup to be mis firing left and right…I don’t know how we will draft in 2016, but I’m expecting some serious drafts these next two years…
            ..
            If you have all the athletic advantages and you truly Live this game, have a crazy work ethic and good coaching, you will sooner or later be a good player…

            I also think a kid that becomes a bust with one organization, could have been a success in another depending on numerous factors, coaching. How they were used, whatever…
            ….
            I’m hoping we have the right people in place to where we are no longer throwing darts at draft boards, so far so good…but we should get a good idea after this year..

            If I had to pick a position I would want Chip picking, I’d probably go with RB and then WR

          • Richard Colton

            based on the Johnson and Ertz picks alone – I’d say Oline and TE as well. I want to say QB, but that position is notoriously hard to predict. Sanchez and Barkley looked like top flight prospects at points during their college careers.

          • GEAGLE

            Think Lane was pretty obvious, but I can’t really disagree…he was sure smarted then people working in Jax and KC

          • Richard Colton

            Right? Looks obvious today. Five years from now when Lane and Armstead are the only two pro bowl OTs taken from that draft, people won’t believe that “career journeyman” Luke Joeckal and average-when-healthy Fisher were taken ahead of him.

          • GEAGLE

            Always maintained Lane would be a much better player. I have no idea why people were do gaga on Fisher…and Joekel was just safe and sturdy, nothing special, I had a problem taking them when I knew their were better OTs in college like Jake Mathews and Lewan..now Greg Robinson emerged as a comperable ceiling to Lane….if I had the top pick the only two player I would be considering are Clowney(and I sick JJ Watts on his ass from day one and stick their lockers right next to each other) or Robinson….draft any other player #1 and you are just reaching for Joekel or fisher all over again

          • Eagles1018

            I hear ya on Sanchez and Barkley. But I look at how Leinart panned out and from there I’m always skeptical of any signal caller from USC

          • Adam G

            Just pointing to the evidence. The Belicheck part is the most interesting. Guy is a horrendous drafter but does the most with the least.

          • GEAGLE

            I just think, that while Chip still knows the kids in college we have a major advantage that we will exploit to the fullest. But who knows, maybe he flops this draft…we will know more by this time next year

          • Adam G

            I sure hope so, that would be nice.

          • GEAGLE

            They are operating like they seem to really believe that

          • Eagles1018

            This tells me it’s not too late I can get a job in the Eagles FO scouting and making dumb choices too. Where do I sign up?

          • https://www.skinnypost.com/ GayleSaunders

      • Eagles1018

        You’ve said Moncrief like 40 times. After I asked for that list of guys to review you’d think I checked him out. Going right now…..

      • geaglefan

        moncrief has below average hands

        • GEAGLE

          Stick a JUG machine in his living room…problem solved

      • Nailed it!

        He measured in at 6’2″ at the combine. Love to nit pick sorry.

      • https://www.skinnypost.com/ GayleSaunders

        Get me a Mike Evans and lets put up some serious points…drops mic

        • GEAGLE

          Yeah cause we have so many picks that we can afford to give up…better pick that mic back up Pal, this ain’t fantasy land

          • https://www.skinnypost.com/ GayleSaunders

            Geagle…CMON…that was obviously my Big Balls Chip Kelly irrational draft selection. Give me Safeties or give me death! Picks up mic…puts mic back down.

          • GEAGLE

            Pass that Mic….we ain’t getting a safety lol but I would love you to be right on both counts. We want the same things, I just came to grips that I’m not getting my way

          • https://www.skinnypost.com/ GayleSaunders

            You think the front office co-signing on the Edge rusher idea?

          • GEAGLE

            Don’t see how they can really afford not to…they will want to get someone that gives them a chance to get Coles money off our books next year…plus the focus of our defense improvement is the ability to get off the field on 3rd…I absolutely think we want 3 things in no particular order:
            1) DL, we don’t have enough bodies, Thorton isn’t a pass rusher, we will want an interior pass rusher to rotate it’s Vinny and Fletch on 3rd down, which is why I think Aaron Donald would get a serious look if he well to 22 even if he isn’t your traditional two gapper
            ..
            OLB…eventually can grow into our primary pass rusher
            ..
            A LB….if we draft him early, like KVN, he will be counted on to eventually replace Meco…if we wait til the 5th we will want this player to be strong in coverage to an alternative to Meco next year in sub packages, guy like Christian Kirksey from Iowa, who is constantly lined up on slot WRs and bullies them and runs step for step with WR and TEs…Like KVN, Kirksey has potential to be that OLB/ILB hybrid that we pretended Casey Mathews was last year..

            Think we adress those 3 areas before we think about DBs

          • Kemoslobe

            Great posts Geagle

          • https://www.skinnypost.com/ GayleSaunders

            Geagle I would not be mad at Kyle Van Noy or Auburn’s Dee Ford. I don’t think Aaron Donald makes it to 22 though. I really do think a “quality pass rush” could mask a mediocre back end. For some odd reason I can see Chip doing his own thing with the 1st pick and I’m already preparing myself for the unexpected.

    • OregonDucker

      Bingo! We have a winner!

  • Tom W

    Marcelus Wiley has a really interesting video on espn discussing the situation and it got me thinking …. maybe Chip isn’t the one pushing the djax trade talk …. maybe its Howie … finite resources … positional allocation of money … those are big contract numbers over the next few years … big cap hits … deepest wr draft in history.

    But chip’s comments about size and speed are also telling. Beyond the fact that djax couldn’t beat man coverage for almost the entire saints playoff game against a good but not great corner like Keenan Lewis. I think Chip likes djax but doesn’t consider him integral to the offense …

    I think desean’s numbers and production in this offense in 2013 can be replaced by the team … I think maclin can come close to replacing that production … I think sproles helps keep defenses honest and create mismatches … i think an actual offseason for ertz and expanded role for him will certainly occur …. draft a wr or two in the first 4 rounds. Not saying he isn’t talented and a playmaker, but he wasn’t the only player to have a career year in chip’s offense … I don’t think it is a coincidence. the offensive numbers will come with or without him…. easier w him but not unattainable.

    • Bullwinkle

      Maclin had good, but not great speed, prior to tearing his ACL for the second time. He has not demonstrated that he is a home run threat during his several seasons with the Eagles. I don’t think he can replace Jackson.

      • Brandon Boykin, LOL

        Doubt he’ll replace Jackson. People complain about Jackson’s alleged alligator arms? Maclin has actual alligator arms. Attitude? I always hated self-tacklin’ Maclin’s on field attitude, which is more important than off. Catch a pass and fall? When the team is depending on you?! Nah.

        But maybe folks are seeing something I don’t.

        • JofreyRice

          And he’s had some big drops. Jackson’s been a very good player in the clutch. Best Giant-killer since BWest, and has played really well versus the Skins and Cowboys.

          • Tom W

            who hasn’t played well agains the skins and cowboyz … they both stink.

          • LookinAtMyGucci

            I’m with you in that I think Desean tends to be overvalued by our fans, but he’s killed the skins. Flat out owns D. Hall

      • Tom W

        Maclin was actually our third fastest player behind djax and mccoy. Chip’s offense isn’t predicated on home run threats … its actually based on short quick hitting routes and RAC ….. and neither is the deepball foles strength … most of djax numbers came w vick early in the season and his numbers tailed off towards the end of the year.
        Not saying maclin is djax for god sake …I’m saying the insertion of maclin, addition of sproles, growth of ertz and foles will help replace most of the production … really not concerned. throw in a highly drafted rookie wr or two. The key is chip … the emphasis on the running game and drawing the defense into bringing 7 and 8 in the box … with man coverage and teams playing press on djax the last few games of the year … his production dropped off the last 3 games of the year. Before Chip came in 2013, his numbers dropped every year from 2009-2012. Love the guy, just don’t think he is irreplaceable.

        • Bullwinkle

          Mac ran a 4.44 at the combine. He will be lucky to be a 4.5 guy after several seasons of wear and a second ACL tear. 4.5 for a receiver is great if the player is 6-3 and 220 lbs.; not so good for a 6-0, 196 lb. receiver. I think Mac will be more of a possession receiver when he comes back.

        • Eagles4Life

          RAC? Give me Maclin’s RAC numbers. I think we’ll both get a laugh out of it.

    • LookinAtMyGucci

      Inconceivable!

    • JofreyRice

      The All-22 that showed a play Desean had clearly beaten Keenan Lewis on, but Foles tried to force it to a covered Celek. He makes that pass and the Eagles might have scored 6. I’m not trying to be overly critical of Foles here, I think he performed well in 2013, but he didn’t see the field as well in that game as he had previously. Also missed Celek for what could have been a huge gain in favor of dumping it off to Avant for a two yard gain. Not fair to put that on Desean.

      There are numerous illustrations of how the Saints rolled coverage to Desean’s side, and allowed Riley to face cover 0 man, after he had his amazing breakout season–which tells you what they think of him. And Desean has been clutch, in big spots. Unlike both Riley and Mac, that have had some memorable missteps.

      I do think it’s very probable that Maclin has a better year with Kelly than he did under Reid, but he still doesn’t have the elite traits that Jackson has. He’s definitely better suited to being a second banana. Don’t think it’s such a foregone conclusion that they’re going to find someone that can do the things he does from the 2nd or 3rd round.

      • RIP illa

        Shh…you’ll ruin it for the DJax haters!

      • Eagles4Life

        There it is. People don’t want to look at the film before reaching with their commentary.

  • Brian

    Ask Chip the same questions about any player on the roster, and you’ll see the door is open for anyone to be traded.

  • Rob Fink

    Chip is smarter than all of us

  • GEAGLE

    What I got from that article is, Eagles trade back to 30 with the Niners, and select….
    DONTE Da real Monsta Moncreif (not that fake monster Damontre who will get owned by Peters as a giant)
    .
    Some guys have the size and the speed element to separate which makes them elite

    • mksp

      That would be a disaster.

      • GEAGLE

        I’m comfortable with my opinion falling in line with NFL Scouts, GMs and Greg Cossel instead of MKhammer or whatever your name is ..dude won’t make it passed 40…

        • mksp

          Is that “GEAGLE CERTIFIED”?

          Because those have worked out really well for you lately.

    • Richard Colton

      Did Rube ever answer your Moncreif question last night?

      • GEAGLE

        Nope

  • mtn_green

    Love Chip Kelly.
    100s of players are shopped around. I’d guess DeSeans agent leaked the info to the press to force eagles to release or keep.

    GRAB your pitch forks!!!!! Where does Segal live?

    • jabostick

      It is sort of fascinating hey? All these rumours fly, fans pick their side (player or team) and agents always get to skate by without criticism as if they didn’t stir most of it up to begin with.

      • RIP illa

        So the agent should get flak for leaking info that the FO is trying to get rid of him? But not the FO who’s trying to get rid of him? Really???

        • jabostick

          Not talking about DeSean specifically. But, even in his case, we don’t know the chain of events that led to things. If this largely started because an agent is pushing Desean to ask for a new deal, then, yeah, his agent should be accountable for their part in things.

          Same with the Mathis situation. Same with most holdouts. Same with every free agency period that has specious anonymous sources leaking info that may or may not be true. I know they’re ‘doing their job’ but they also have a ton of vested interest.

    • anon

      Or smart move by him?

  • GEAGLE

    Chip talked to Desean the other day, now the media asked him all these questions and Chip did what he was supposed to do, not let them paint him into a corner with his responses…wonder how that petulant child Desean responds to chips interview. Will he feel back stabbed now?

    • Tom W

      think he is more worried bout the authorities investigating the robbery in january … insurance companies dont mess around.

      • GEAGLE

        U really need to stop

  • JofreyRice

    Sure sounds to me like he thinks Desean is a good, not great, player, that can be somewhat easily replaced, if it suits the overall good of the team (draft picks & cap). Moving Desean could either be a gutsy move, or an incredibly dumb one.

    • LookinAtMyGucci

      When you say “gutsy”, do you mean that it could turn out to be a good move, that maybe he knows what he’s doing/talking about?

      • JofreyRice

        Sure. That’s definitely a possibility. I just don’t know why you’d want to roll the dice like that–it would be one thing if the Eagles were jammed up against the cap and literally couldn’t afford Jackson. That’s not the case.

        • Token

          The organization will look pretty ridiculous if they trade Mathis and Jackson and have a bad season all while sitting on 20 million of cap room this year. Probably have 30-40 million next year.

          • LookinAtMyGucci

            #PayinFoles

          • Token

            I dont wanna go through the myths that they have soo many expensive guys to pay. They really dont. Short of winning the SB, even Foles isnt getting a blockbuster deal.

          • LookinAtMyGucci

            If Foles has a good year, even with the expected slight regression, and you don’t think he’s going to see a deal averaging 12mil, I’d think you’re nuts. Only way he doesn’t see that if he has a good year is if they can’t reach a number and he has to play out the last year of his deal.

          • Token

            I dont consider 12 mil blockbuster. They can easily afford that.

          • LookinAtMyGucci

            For the Eagles? Close enough to blockbuster where Howie’s concerned. And I intended that as a baseline, not what it will be.

          • anon

            #playinfoles #sackcity

          • LookinAtMyGucci

            #hater lol

        • LookinAtMyGucci

          They’re over it for 2015 already, and we haven’t signed rookies yet.

          • JofreyRice

            You really think they’re in cap trouble? With all the guys coming off the books in 2015? Expiring contracts, etc? The numbers reflect the “balloon payment” that results in a bunch of team-friendly contracts they’ve been giving out. What are they going to do if Foles gets paid more than a 3rd round rookie? Raise a white flag and forfeit the season?

          • LookinAtMyGucci

            There’s a few coming off, yes, but they need the rollover to bolster that to get to the flexibility they desire. Not saying I 100% agree with it, but that’s Howie rolls.

          • JofreyRice

            2 guys, Cary Williams and Trent Cole, account for almost 20 million against that cap, and none of it guaranteed. There is no earthly way they see that money. Ryans is on the books for another 7m–doubt they pay him that. Graham’s gone, another 3.2 million saved. So those 4 that have declining production go or re-structure, and you freed up ~30 mil. And that’s assuming they pay Jackson 12 million dollars to play out the final year of his contract, which I think we can safely assume will not happen. They’re not in cap trouble by any stretch. Now if the ultimate goal is to always have 30 million dollars of flexibility, we’re talking about a whole other ballgame.

          • Adam G

            Your numbers are a little off, Cole has 3.2 in dead so would only be 8 and change saving, Cary is 6.5 in savings. Real number is the capsavings number

          • JofreyRice

            True. So they free up 25 mil. Ok. Still not in cap trouble, but you’re right on the details.

          • Adam G

            We agree. Shouldn’t be worried at all, just have to find some guys in the draft to fill those positions.

          • LookinAtMyGucci

            You’re not factoring in dead money of 3.2 for Cole 1.7 for Graham, and 1.6 for Cary, so subtract 6.5 from that. We’re currently over bye 4.7 for next year, assuming 140. Add the roughly 7 mil the rookies will be seeing in whatever salary increases and we’re over by 12 for next year.

          • JofreyRice

            Ok, so the number is 23 mil then. And that’s before the actual number crunchers get in and start thinking about who can be restructured, who can have money converted, etc. The one thing I have the ultimate confidence in is their ability to have a huge cushion against the cap.

            They had almost no ill effects from the 2011 dream team debacle. The salary cap has grown, and the team has been much more conservative in free agency. How could they possibly be in worse shape? Doesn’t make sense.

          • LookinAtMyGucci

            As I just said to Cliff, who knows that we actually move on from the people that we think are as good as gone? Cole might by kept at a significantly reduced number, same for Ryans and Celek. Clearly, our FO doesn’t always make the move we think are so obvious.

          • JofreyRice

            But restructured to backup numbers is tantamount to being cut and replaced with a backup player at a backup price, right? You’re still spending 15 minutes and saving a lot of money. The point is, they ain’t seeing that loot.

            I think my overarching point is that they’re not going to just stand pat and have the cup runneth over in 2015. The batting average approach isn’t busting their bank. They’ve NEVER come remotely close to being in legit cap trouble during Lurie’s tenure, and as laymen, we can look at these unofficial numbers and see huge glaring millions to be saved; something tells me they’re a little better at this than we are.

          • cliff henny

            everyone is arguing the same thing. eagles right now would probably only roll over 10m, and be close to or over in ’15…a, they’ll probably make moves to clear more rollover and have more space in ’15…andb , in ’15, there’s plenty of moves to be made. but, it isn’t the best cap situation out there. so expect moves to create more flexibility.

          • Adam G

            Alright Cliff, I hear your point, but this is where I think your point of view might be a little off. Those guys that could be cut, if their contracts were up after this season and the Eagles had 33 mil in cap space more, would that be better? Because that is literally the same exact thing. I think you are just anchored a bit to them being under contract. There’s literally 0% chance Cole’s contract doesn’t get reworked because his salary is way too high, for example.

          • cliff henny

            you don’t think teams have same amount of players coming off? and it’s not 33m, it’s 33m minus ’14 draft, ’15 draft and ’12 resign that includes a QB (hopefully). will be in bottom half of Salary cap teams, wont be all that flexible in moves. think I’ve typed it 3 times now, you seem to ignore it all 3 times and prefer to argue, there’s moves, think we’ve learned hoiwe values flexibility, it’s a concern, but not Dallas concern level.

          • Adam G

            Ok, so the cap counts the top 51 salaries I think. Those rookies that you are referring to, only take up 4.2 mill this year, but they displace other salaries. So it only might be a net difference of 2 mil. If they add 7 rookies, 7 others are removed from the team. Like I said, if those guys that I mentioned were free agents, nobody would be talking about how they are in trouble. They most certainly are not, and could have more cap space next year after the season then they did this year. Here is an illustration of how much cap space rookies take up and this is before the Eagles traded their pick. It’s only 1.7 for the Eagles if they had 7 picks:

            http://overthecap.com/2014-rookie-pool-estimates.php

          • Adam G

            Yeah, they will have 10 mil in rollover and if need be 40 mil in cap space to cut. That’s a lot. They are fine.

          • cliff henny

            don’t forget Celek’s 5m, casey’s 4m (not sure why he isn’t gone already). there’s a ton of space, be a lot more clear after draft. why I really like to see cole’s, Ryan’s and Celek’s replacements drafted.

          • LookinAtMyGucci

            I don’t think it’s as clear that Celek and Ryans are gone. Think they’re restructured for lower, but not cleared. I’d like to think Cole is gone after the year, but he may be restructured/renegotiated significantly to end up as backup ROLB. Cary may be gone, but also may be restructured/extended to drop his number down. We make so many questionable moves it’s impossible to assume we’re just moving on from all the people we probably need to move on from.

          • cliff henny

            exactly, that’s my point, we just don’t know how anyone plays out. to think moves are guaranteed is poor management. Eagles value flexibility, and rolling a bad ’15 cap figure limits that, and doubt Howie will let that happen.

          • Token

            The only way Celek, Ryans and Cary are here next year is if the draft this year and the offseason next year go really poorly.

            Basically, if we arent able to drop those guys we have bigger problems.

          • LookinAtMyGucci

            Obviously that’s the only reason, Topacolypse.

          • Token

            I went over it weeks ago. It came out to close to 40 million coming off the books next year taking into account dead money from the cuts.

            I dont get how anyone besides Howie can think they are in any cap bind.

          • cliff henny

            it’s not trouble, but people do need to realize ’15 cap isn’t great. easily worked around issues, but sure Howie would like it a lot more flexibility

          • Adam G

            Cole, Herremans, Cary, Celek, Casey, Demeco all those guys are probably going to be cut or reworked. That’s 33 mil in space, plus a possible 8 from Desean. Plus the rollover, they are fine. Just need to find replacements for Cole and Demeco.

          • cliff henny

            AG, I know the numbers, but, doesn’t change the fact that cap isn’t the greatest. every team has 35m available nowadays, even moreso with cap increase. plus having to pay ’14 and ’15 rookies, then,have ’12 draft class with a qb in there. it’ll go quickly. not much leftover to but JofreyRice’s special teamer aces. it’s not red light in the shitter like Dallas, but sure Howie would love to be in little better position.

          • Adam G

            This is where we disagree, just because they have to cut guys doesn’t mean they are in bad shape. Plus you aren’t counting the roll over from this year, which is going to be sizable. Those guys I mentioned plus desean is over 40 mil

          • cliff henny

            only be about 8m right now. have to pay rookies and will be more moves. I don’t mind the cutting of guys, but what if C-will plays great, he’s in your equation. I am 100% against forced moves. follow teams that are forced to cut players, and see how fast they fall off. Cole may kill it, need to restructure…you just don’t know. what you do know is how the cap looks today. it doesn’t look great. not freak out Dallas level

          • Adam G

            They have 18 mil in space right now before rookies. You’re 10 mil of allowance is way high. You also have to factor in that those rookies will displace other salaries. They are going to have at least 10 mil of rollover.

          • LookinAtMyGucci

            16.2. Which will likely drop off further if we pay Sanchez a few mil.

          • Adam G

            I know you are looking at overthecap, but this is more accurate:

            http://www.eaglescap.com/current.html

            And sanchez ain’t getting a few mil.

          • LookinAtMyGucci

            NFLPA public report is generated 4x daily and it says 16.2:

            https://nflplayers.com/reports/RunPublicReport.aspx?report=top51

          • Adam G

            Fair enough. Rookie’s will count around 4.2 against, but some will take up previous space of guys that are released. They could have 12 mill in rollover. They might have more space next year than they did this year if they cut a few guys.

          • LookinAtMyGucci

            Depends what we do draft wise, but rule of thumb I’ve heard is allocate about 6. So I’ll work with that, and then add a half to full million toward next year’s salaries.

          • Adam G

            Here, just posted this. And this is for 7 picks. You have to allow for displacement of salaries. The difference in salary cap for the eagles is projected to be 1.7 for 2014.

            http://overthecap.com/2014-rookie-pool-estimates.php

          • LookinAtMyGucci

            Interesting read, thanks. So the 12, minus Sanchez which will be 2-3mil, call it 3 for the cap. And that’s 9 carryover before any other moves. That 9 doesn’t offset what we’ll be over in cap next year before Howie works his magic. As Cliff said, we’re all arguing the same thing, in general, just getting down into it. A couple of us think that there’s many players who are just outright released and we’ll magically have 30+ in space by Howie winking, and there’s some of us who think we’re in the mid-20s again, which really means roughly 15, because Howie rolls over 10ish every year. It’s basically become a pissing contest. One that I’m over.

          • Adam G

            Yeah, except the cap diff will only be around 1.7 for this year’s rookies. Again, you gotta think any rookie they add, will displace another non guaranteed salary so the net effect is very low unless you have a ton of high picks. We are arguing same thing but they will have a TON of space to sign their guys that are 2011 draft picks.

          • LookinAtMyGucci

            The 1.7 is factored into the 16.2, no? So it’s a 2.5mil deduction from the 16.2, so 13.7 before Sanchez, instead of 12, no?

          • Adam G

            Yeah, exactly. Because the late round guys will make vet min and just replace vet min guys.

          • LookinAtMyGucci

            Thought you were saying above the 4.2 what’s gotta be subtracted from the 16.2. So with increases, our 4.7 over for next year (depending on the Sanchez or whatever other moves) becomes 9.5 with raises to this year’s rookies, rollover covers it, with maybe 2 mil extra. Make moves from there. So we’re back to whether or not the moves are made to get to 30+ or staying in the mid-20s. Which we can go on all day about, but fact is we don’t know if the axe or scalpel comes out. Axe, yeah, 30+. Scalpel, mid-high 20s. Fair?

          • Adam G

            No, only 1.7 is subtracted. They have 51 players under contract, which is what counts toward the cap. When you add 7 rookies, they will displace 7 players and only increase the cap figure by 1.7, that’s it. And on top of that, most of those teams with cap space in 2015? The have like 40 players under contract, not 51, which the Eagles have. So yeah, I guess we’ll see who they cut and rework but other teams are in worse shape that have lower 2015 cap numbers.

          • LookinAtMyGucci

            I know what you were saying. So add 2.5 to the 4.7, so 7.2, my bad.

          • LookinAtMyGucci

            And IF Sanchez signs here, hard to see it being for league minimum. There’s a few teams interested from what I’ve heard reported.

          • cliff henny

            doesn’t much matter, 1.5m barely buys air for footballs now that cap is on it’s way to 150m+.

          • LookinAtMyGucci

            We all know that, to Howie, 1.5 matters.

          • JofreyRice

            “Just need to find replacements for Cole and Demeco.” You could argue they should have tried to start this process already. Absurd for them to cry poor, considering what teams like the Broncos, Seahawks, Saints, Patriots, and others have done.

          • Token

            Thats just not the truth. Thats myths from Howie. A TON of money is coming off the books next year. And the cap is supposed to be shooting up. Im not even taking into account if they can roll over any money from this year.

            The Eagles are in no way shape or form looking at cap issues next year. Dont buy into that.

            Now unless you are saying its tight in Howie terms. Then yea, they might not have 25 mil of a cushion after signings next year. I know he tends to get scared when going below 20 mil. I dont know how hes sleeping at night right now.

          • Adam G

            Feel like we are the only ones that see it this way. They will have a ton of space.

          • Token

            I dunno WTH people are lookin at. Maybe im just nuts. Heres the rundown I posted weeks ago.

            Avant clearing about 3 mil this year.
            Celek clearing 5 next year
            Casey clearing 3 this year
            Herremans clearing about 3 next yr
            Meco clearing 7
            Cole 8.4 if they do it next year.
            Cary about 6.5 next year
            Fletch 3 mil next year
            Chung 2 mil this year

            Thats nearly 41 million dollars that is currently allocated which will be off the books by next season. With Dead Money already deducted. And not including rollover. Not included the likely 10 million Jackson being gone saves next year.

            Those are the obvious cuts. And players that should be replaced by then with likely much cheaper players.

            As I said, if we cant replace guys like Celek or Cary by next season it means we drafted like hell and had another shit offseason. We would have bigger problems then the cap at that point.

          • LookinAtMyGucci

            It’d be awesome if you were realistic and didn’t include players who are gone this year against next year.

          • Token

            Your brain isnt wrapping around this topic.

          • LookinAtMyGucci

            Right. We’re talking about next year. Not this year and next year combined, which is worthless.

          • Token

            The post is from weeks before any cuts. In the end, it has the same effect. Just think about it for a minute.

          • LookinAtMyGucci

            I get what you’re saying. The whole conversation was about 2015. So this year’s moves are already included. So your weeks old post is worthless when current discussion is inclusive to moves made.

          • Token

            Its really not. But you win. Your just not someone whose gonna get anything out of the post.

          • LookinAtMyGucci

            There’s nothing to get out of it because I’m aware of it all, except that fact that Casey is still here and your assumptions that certain players are automatically gone because you don’t like them without factoring in that Chip/Howie may like them and may rework them to tolerable numbers. So, yeah, it’s not about winning, just the lack of value of the re-post.

          • Adam G

            I’m assuming you did this before this years cuts?

          • Token

            yep. Doesnt change much tho.

          • anon

            We’re replacing 5 starters and 2 roles players with draft picks? Did we just win a SB?

          • cliff henny

            what isn’t the truth token, the fact that I stated ‘easily worked around issues’, which you basically then state my point? and then you repeated what I’ve said 4 times in 3rd paragraph, with a typical dig at end? Eagles don’t operate in a vacuum, other teams get that same increase, so that makes no sense.
            .
            love how have your post are either uber-negative, or disagree but you are actually agreeing, but you are so f’n negative you don’t even know it

          • LookinAtMyGucci

            To-pocalypse

      • GEAGLE

        Two types of gutsy moves:
        1) drafting a 3rd round center in round one who pays off like cowboys
        2) reaching for a slow safety from Temple in round two that blows up in your face

        If you are going to do ish like trade Richard Seymor to Oakland, you better know what you are doing and pluck a Vince Wilfork out of somewhere

        • LookinAtMyGucci

          With this line of thinking, I’ll provide a third. Drafting 26 year old firemen

    • Jerry Pomroy

      I wouldn’t say easily replaced. But he did more or less say that guys that are both big and fast are what he considered elite. Sounded like he did downplay DeSean’s ability as just being fast.

      But I reserve to hold my convictions until the crime has been committed and the defense has had time to fully make it’s case.

  • Philly0312

    Can we stop DeSean watch 2014? Chip is non committal on damn near everything to do with a players contract or status as a starter, as we’ve seen repeatedly over the last year. I think I speak for most Eagles fans when they say all Philly sports writers should lay this to rest until an actual trade comes – that trade will not involve Mathis or Jackson. I’ll go put money on it in Vegas.

    • Jerry Pomroy

      Well you’re in luck. Their taking odds on a DJax trade.

  • Matt Wilson

    Here’s an interesting exercise for the Philly media: Ask Chip if player X on the roster will definitely be on the team at the start of the season, or if he can state definitively that player Y will not be traded. I bet for 99% of the players currently on the roster, Chip (and Howie) will give an answer similar to the answer they been giving for DeSean. Yes, they’ve been silent and now somewhat non committal but I would posit that this is their default, party-line, response to these sorts of questions, rather than a specific and telling response that is DJ specific. Look at their comments re: Nick and “franchise QB.”

    So, let’s put this into practice. Chip: “My sources have told me that Zack Ertz, Michael Kendricks, and perhaps even Shady would be available at the right price. How do you respond to that? Can you say for sure that you won’t trade these players? What role has Shady’s social media behavior contributed to the suggestion that he’s not ‘untouchable?’ Thank you in advance, Chip.”

  • Matt Wilson

    Trending: #Shadyonthetradeblock

  • anon

    it’s official they are looking for a third for Mathis — aka really a 5th. Sad to see guys go — but “i’ll do what’s best for the team” – CK.

    You almost don’t want to have a good year — you wont be around next year. Shady better watch out.

    • GEAGLE

      The sad part is you think anyone would give that up for a guard ;)

  • Mike

    DeSean will be traded at the draft.

  • GEAGLE

    Dolphins are again trying to trade Mike Wallace..YAY, it’s the domino that NEEDS to fall before they give us Dion!!!
    ..
    LaConfora publically “wonders” if Mike Wallace trade for Desean make sense for everyone….and he reported we are asking a 3rd or 4th for Mathis, or we will just keep him…

    Bout to slaughter him on twitter!

    • LookinAtMyGucci

      Saw that. Dumbest thing ever.

      • GEAGLE

        Idiot will get me kicked off the twitter today.
        ..
        We need the raiders do what they do…dumb ish trade for Wallace, who unlike Desean doesn’t have Hoffas body burried in his apartment floorboards(according to Tom), so Dion can come home!!
        ..
        Free Dion!!!!

        • LookinAtMyGucci

          I’d like to see what Dion can do with real coaching, but I don’t want to give up the 1st rounder for him. Rather Graham or Curry and a 2nd if possible.

          • anon

            Dion worth a first? Psh, if a pro bowler in his prime can barely get a third…definitely a buyer’s market out there. Last year was a week draft class so people cared less.

          • LookinAtMyGucci

            A pro bowler who costs 10mil for next three seasons for vs a ROLB who Chip loves that makes roughly 2mil/year for next 3. I understand your point, but the salary is what prevents us from getting real value for DJax.

          • anon

            I hear you, but he’s not sheldon richardson.

          • LookinAtMyGucci

            No, he’s not, since Sheldon is a DT. And I’m not saying Dion is WORTH a 1st. I don’t think he is. I just remember that being the asking price, which led to all the T-Rich trade comparisons.

          • GEAGLE

            Who the F is Sheldon Richardson and WTF has he done? Sheldon Richardson was one of the biggest beast as a rookie…AND…?? Wtf does that mean, Cox was a pretty beastly rookie, yet we are still waiting for him to arrive..Jason Pier Paul was a monster his first year or two! hasn’t really done much since..

            What Sheldon did as a rookie, and what Dion didn’t do as a rookie means literally NOTHING!! NO ONE would have drafted Dion and expected him to have a good rookie season, so I don’t see how it’s relevant to talk about him in context to a quiet rookie year? If you drafted Dion it mean you were ok to Sacrafice a year or two for an investment that would pay off in a major way in year 3
            ….
            If you wanted a DT, Sheldon was a better pick then Sharrif Floyd…why? Because he had a better year and as much long term potential as Sharrif…But saying Dion is no Sheldon is utterly worthless…

            And it’s a shame I had to down play Sheldon to make this point..

          • GEAGLE

            Now if a Raw player like Barr with the freak upside of Dion. Comes in and beasts the league as a rookie…you can fairly say, he is no Anthony Barr…

            You can’t bunch together draft picks that were made for upside, and when a team drafts a dude like Chance Warmack who they are counting on him to produce right away…and you damn sure make NO accurate point if you are comparing an NFL ready prospect, and an upside prospect after their rookie season…and a DL and OLB?

          • anon

            “What Sheldon did as a rookie, and what Dion didn’t do as a rookie means literally NOTHING!!”. I think it does in terms of trade value – not what kind of career they might have in the NFL.

            Jordan is basically worthless in Miami (scheme / personnel in front of him) so why would i give them a first – which they can use to get a player that will fit their scheme and likely produce day one?

            On the other hand, Sheldon was a beast on offense and defense so he’s worth more to the Jets and so you have to compensate them more to move him. You can say the same about Shariff, Ziggy, etc. all more valuable bc of scheme fit / production.

          • Jerry Pomroy

            I wanted Ziggy soooo bad too last year.

          • GEAGLE

            It’s absurd that the dolphins didn’t draft him instead of Dion…he had that Dion upside, but much safer DE prospect then Dion…I’m still shocked that Miami didn’t switch to a 3-4 after making the pick…now the kid Shelby emerged as a player at DE, Cameron Wake ain’t getting Benched..if they didn’t cut wheeler who got paid and then basically mailed it in, it tells me that Dion still won’t start…Phylbin doesn’t have a backbone enough to put a high priced veteran wheeler on the Bench, Ellerbe needs to start in the middle and Misi is the best LB of the 3…so they really might as well just trade Dion, unless they wanna cut Cameron Wake in a salary cap dump and get younger…in which case, I’ll gladly take wake if they don’t want him

          • GEAGLE

            Any other year it would require a first and we would do it…but GMs are treating this years picks like uncut diamonds. So the stingy nature of this years market wouldn’t require a first

    • anon

      More money for a worse player? Wallace is the whole reason DeSean’s contract situation is a problem.

  • Brandon

    Well through process of elimination we finally do know the WHY now. Desean is not a “bad fit” in the locker room or any of that horse shit. It’s salary plain and simple.

    • cliff henny

      Com’on, it’s ALWAYS about money. when someone tells you it isn’t about the money, they’ve just lied right in your face

    • JofreyRice

      salary & organizational arrogance, if I may.

    • Honest_T

      If you look at offense provided in terms of salary spent, TE and RB are your best sources of production for the dollars spent. 8 figure WRs who touch the ball 6-8 times a game are inefficient investments. If you have no plans to pay DJ $12.5 million, or whatever he costs in 15, trade him now when you can maximize the return you get for him.

      What have we learned from 2 off seasons of the “new plan”? We brought in 2 versatile TEs, a versatile RB, and a bunch of low risk/ high reward WRs, and special teams aces. Where have we spent money? OL! The new plan is about efficiently spending capital.

      Mathis looked left, and looked right and both of those guys got a raise, so he asked for 1 too. The problem is, he is on the wrong side of 30 and plays a position that is easier to replace.

      • anon

        Yeah a catching TE is a much cheaper version of a huge WR that people pay a premium for, i see what Chip is doing there. But then seems to me a TE is a better replacement for what Coop does than what Djax does.

        • Jerry Pomroy

          Ebron? To be quite honest I’ll go big & fast all day long, every day & shove that rock down DBs throats.

          • GEAGLE

            packers would draft Ebron so fast if he fell…

            Wouldn’t be surprised if Chip loved Man Child Sefarian Jenkins tho, as an eventual replacement to Celek. Kid has the size blocking and toughness with way more athletic ability then Brent…

          • Jerry Pomroy

            But if they don’t…

            You have your choice, Ebron or ODB? That goes for everyone, not just Geags.

          • GEAGLE

            My choice? ODB because I view him as a tougher football player, and I see that slightly soft Vernon Davis quality in Ebron..flashy high talent but not as gritty as I’d like in a TE (celek would Bully him)..ODB is a much smaller man but he is grittier and tough as nails with crazy good hands…
            ..
            Chips choice? “Those players with size and speed are elite” makes me think we go with Bron

  • Dave
    • LookinAtMyGucci

      Voted against Missanelli on principal. No idea who the other guy was.

      • Amar (India)

        Upvote to that !

      • Jerry Pomroy

        Todd Zolecki was Sheil’s opposition. Covers the Phillies. Should be a landslide for Sheil IMHO.

        • Adam G

          I love Sheil and he should win but Zolecki is good.

  • southy

    “DeSean-watch”… I think we need to get on board with Jaccpocalypse

  • NohonestyinNFL

    Everyone is aware we’re in “silly season” right? The months before the draft, when everyone is trying to project who the others teams will be drafting is full of smoke screen. Maybe they would have traded jaccpot for a 3rd round pick, maybe not. Maybe they want teams to think they’ll pick a wr in the first round so it creates urgency for teams behind them to try to trade up if theyre in love with a guy. Maybe that’s enough to make ha ha Clinton Dix fall to them at 22. Maybe a team will trade down for the eagles thinking they’re selecting a wr and they go a different direction when they get there.

    • botto

      i like it you could be right, why not?

  • John J. King

    Can the team be better off without DJax? Ask the Oregon team that lost Massoli after he blew his career. It is no coincidence that DeSean had his best season ever under Chip’s system. Just as it is no coincidence that McCoy Foles & Cooper did as well. It is no surprise that DJax has absolutely zero trade value either, otherwise he’d be gone.

    • anon

      No one wants ice in a snow storm. Even outside of last year his stats are better than you’d think (see EaglesRewind article). Think larger problem as Andy Reid who only used him one way and even then he was crushing DBs / special teams. DJax puts butts in the seats — there’s just no one trying to give him percy harvin compensation.

      Harvin’s deal is crazy considering the injuries / migraines and all that other stuff that kept him off the field — though i guess Seattle had a plan for that.

      • Jerry Pomroy

        No! We’re all tired of this friggin snow! Bad analogy timing. I refuse to read the rest of your point… lol.

  • Will

    Quick someone show Howie…

    That works the other way, too. Have you heard of Mark Sanchez? The Jets took him fifth overall in the 2009 draft. Through four seasons of bad-to-terrible stats, they stubbornly refused to bench him, and the result was perhaps the worst quarterback career in NFL history.

    • EaglesFanInPhx

      You can’t blame Sanchez for all of that. The coaching is terrible there, his receivers were terrible, and they were a run-first game. I’m not saying he’s a super star, I’m just saying stats don’t tell the whole story. Even so, a few years ago he was a top 10 stats guy.

      • Will

        Here let me put it another way Sanchez sucks and his arm is at 80% healed with no guarantee he heals up and plays to form….which is just really bad decisions which lead to INT’s a lot of em….

      • GEAGLE

        “You can always blame a man who wears a girl head band”-Cliff henny

  • GEAGLE

    Get the impression that Chip is salivating over WRs that are attainable…everyone wants a Mike Evans or Sammy Watkins, but they aren’t realistic options for many teams…I think Chip is convinced that a player who will be on the board at 22 is someone we can turn into an “elite player” which under chips definition is a big and explosive WR, YAY!!
    ….
    And Chip talked about ” anyone we will look at has to have the ability to beat man coverage because we will see a lot of it next year”

    • Caught Red Hernandez

      For all we know, every WR in this draft can turn out to be average or worse.

      We can draft another first round WR bust a la Freddy Mitchell in 2001, in another WR heavy draft (with the greats like Koren Robinson, David Terrell, Rod Gardner)

      I’m not one to give up a sure thing for a blindfolded gamble b/c of media hype.

      • GEAGLE

        When did I talk about getting an elite WR and wanting to trade away Desean?

        • Caught Red Hernandez

          Well we’ve already signed Maclin and Cooper, so drafting a WR in the first round with all the other needs this team has, wouldn’t the underlying assumption be that Desean gets traded?

          Or are you proposing that the Eagles keep Desean AND draft a WR #1 which would make no logical sense considering defense has still not been addressed

          • phillylove21

            What do you think we should do with the 22 pick?

          • GEAGLE

            Lol..you must be new here..

            But this expectation of this logical defensive draft, ain’t coming pal..and this is coming from a defensive maniac who doesn’t even like offense..I’m talking about offense because it’s just a fact that even if we all agree we should be drafting a bunch of defenders, I doubt that’s reality. You may have seen a great offense last year, but it was Andy’s dudes plus Ertz and Lane..Chip is going to add his own little toys you can believe that..

            Now if you want to know what I personally would do, I would want an OLB…problem is a can’t magically make one worth the 22nd pick…your realistic options in THIS draft are WRs and DBs, the fluid Desean situation and the additions of Nolan,Malcom, retaining Nate, basically gave Chip his hall pass to draft a WR in round 1…The only defensive wild cards at 22 are Dee Ford, which I don’t believe, because I think he is 3 years away from being able to set the edge, and we need someone who can play 3 downs in 2015 so we can get Cole big contract off our books, OR a Defensive lineman simply because we don’t even have enough bodies right now..and a guy like Donald could fall, or we could be high on Hagemen or Tuitt, which I would prefer we didn’t draft at 22…

            My ideal scenarios is getting the top pick in round two from the Texans..but the only way that’s happening is if they don’t draft BOrtles and they love a QB on the board at 22, that they worry someone else moving up for…I don’t know how likely that is, so I just hope we get into the top 7 of round 2….iF I had to say my prefered somewhat realistic option at 22 is Odell Beck Jr. He has the upside, and is polished with little bust potential and bring a danger element to our ST, but I’m starting to worry he doesn’t even last to 22

          • Jerry Pomroy

            I’d be good if it was ODB at 22. Dude just reminds me of a more explosive version of Chris Carter. He can go up and high point, runs good routes, good hands, strong controlled runner that can take one to the house after busting 2 arm tackles.

          • GEAGLE

            Randall Colbb type clutch WR, catches everything, can run every route on the tree, with Steve smith toughness…
            …l
            Ridick is comparing Paul Richardsons deep ball routes ability to Desean, and people are gleaming over Brandin Cooks personality and Carisma…but besides Odell, I think the WR we draft early will be atlast 6’2 210lbs…..and we will look for our Desean replacement in a later round

          • oreofestar

            They’ll draft the best player and with questions revolving Mac and Desean’s long term standing with the team if that player is wideout he will get drafted

  • Will

    Shame we have only 5 picks…so if we are lucky we get two ballers out of it…

    • anon

      That’s why everyone is on the trading block.

      • oreofestar

        Exactly if they feel you are somewhat expandable and not part of the long term plans they will see your value

  • oreofestar

    I have always been in love with Sua’Filo and Martin doubt this is anything more than just a scare to Evan though

    • GEAGLE

      They are saying we gave him permission to seek a trade, which means go find out that you have no leverage and will be an eagle in 2014 because you are Lucky if someone will pay you more then you are contracted to make, but if you can find that, no shot they will agree to pay the 3rd or a 4th we require in a trade…throw a stink if you want at minicamp, but I’ll see you in training camp and oh Btw, make sure you don’t let a younger player take your job in camp….have a nice day

  • GEAGLE

    Sorry Colt, your boy Kuandijos knee checked out…Ozzie Newsome loves them Bama Boys

    • Richard Colton

      He’s a first round pick dropping like a stone. I’d be willing to bet Moses goes ahead of him. We’ll see though – seems like there’s always that big guy who’s medical issues scares teams away. I’d jump on him in the 3rd round if he’s still there.

      • GEAGLE

        They are saying his knee checked out and he doesn’t need to be evaluated again

        • Richard Colton

          So you think the Ravens take him in round 1? Perfect. Ebron or Evans to the Eagles.

          • GEAGLE

            Not neccessarily…but if we don’t take him in round 1, I don’t think we could get him at 54..
            ..
            Ravens will take an OT at some point in the first 3 rounds..they need a safety with Ihendigbo gone, Flacco needs weapons
            .good chance they take a bama boy: Mosely,Dix or Koundjo

          • Richard Colton

            Chip Kelly to Philly media “It’s the best class of WR Ive seen since I’ve been in the league”
            Ohh Chip.

          • Jerry Pomroy

            Yes please, may I have another?

  • GEAGLE

    Clayton saying, Chip is going to draft a WR or two, and Desean will be gone, only question is when or for what type of draft pick compensation..saying we gladly take a 3rd but could settle up to 5th…Mort offered that we could draft the WRs first and then trade Desean after the draft…
    ..
    Bye bye D-sean

    • Adam G

      BTW, if we trade Desean, that’s an extra 18 mil in cap space for 2015 for all those that are worried about that.

      • GEAGLE

        Worrying about the cap is so stupid…I can’t believe Yous spend time on this crap…the one thing you can count on is Howie will always maintain cap Flex unless it gets to the point like the Niners where it’s time to get over the hump….when we don’t have the cap to get someone we want, or can’t come to an agreement in extension talks with a young player we want to retain because we don’t have the money, then I will start worrying about…you can count on death.taxes and howie maintaining fLex,…bet Hinkie and Howie send each other love letters and crack jokes about Ruin tomorrow junior

      • LookinAtMyGucci

        We’re aware. Thanks.

    • LookinAtMyGucci

      So whom do you believe more, Clayton or Schefty?

      • GEAGLE

        Shefty said the same thing, only that if we can’t get suitable value we would just bring him back for the year

    • Jerry Pomroy

      Honestly he may be more valuable after draft and teams miss on picking up a stud WR. Plus teams will be more inclined to give up a higher pick for next year than this year.

      • GEAGLE

        Yeah that crossed my mind too

    • Neanderthal

      Because Clayton and Mort are always right

  • LookinAtMyGucci

    Fun hypothetical: If Shady has another year like last year (career or close to), does the FO ask him to restructure next offseason? Or, do they suck it up since 2015 is the highest year of his contract by a significant amout? And if they ask to restructure and he says “No”, do they do the unthinkable and put him on the block?

    • Adam G

      Considering how the RB market has tanked since he signed that contract, his salary will be huge comparatively. Will be interesting to see what happens.

      • LookinAtMyGucci

        Agreed. I think his ability to be a great pass catcher as well as arguably the best RB in the league helps his case. How much, who knows? But he’s arguably the most complete back in the league.

        • Jerry Pomroy

          That will be his saving grace. But I honestly don’t know what they’ll do at that point. It seems to me that they might want to start talking sooner rather than later and getting a feel for where he’s thinking.

          • anon

            Shady’s amazing, but not perfect. Put an Eddie Lacy guy in this system and he’d be great too and those guys cost $3-7mm not $7-10 – and you can grab them every other year in the draft.

            We always assume these howie deals are meant to be renegotiated once the guaranteed $ drops off but remains to see if that’s actually the case. Nick, Shady, and Djax (and/or Peters) will count for half the $ on offense.

            Shady (like Djax) puts butts in the seats so team recoups that money in jersey / ticket sales.

          • Jerry Pomroy

            I’ve got a Shady jersey. Didn’t decide on it until he signed that deal. My trusty dusty is my Dawk jersey. I won’t buy a jersey for a 2-3yr splash in Eagles history.

          • Adam G

            I think at this point RBs are just not going to be making 10 mil a year.

          • LookinAtMyGucci

            Crazy how this new CBA reset the market. I’d say it’s done so for the best, mostly.

  • jcwhy

    Sheil on 97.5… talking Djax…

  • Uncle Wonder

    Does anybody know anything about the bul Lonnie Ballentine SS from Memphis? Pro Day was today…6’3/220/4.38 40…wouldnt mind that kinda size and speed in the backfield…i wonder if he will be drafted.

    • Will

      wow nice measurable’s…

    • JofreyRice

      Never heard of him.

      • Uncle Wonder

        Thanks, you’ve been very helpful, lol

        • JofreyRice

          No sweat.

    • Will

      Are you positive on the 40 time?

      • Jerry Pomroy

        That’s pretty damn fast for 6’3″ 220! Hell I’d teach him how to cover.

        • anon

          I’d teach him how to catch!

          • Jerry Pomroy

            Screw it. Ironman his a$$. WR & CB/S hybrid. He’s too damn fast for just the middle. Done deal. Make it happen Anon.

      • Uncle Wonder

        • Will

          Figures NE all over him….how he get by Howie in a Safety search? AZ and KC both have great defenses….then again ole Howie passed on kickalicious…

        • Will

          Be a good one for Sheil to do a piece on him…

    • GEAGLE

      If he can’t cover man to man, he won’t be drafted to play safety in the Philly….don’t focus on how they play center field, or how they play the box, if they don’t have ability to play man, eagles won’t want them…I’m not saying he can’t, just saying what to look for in eagles targets at that position…I don’t know his game

  • Jerry Pomroy

    Gil Brandt added DJax in his list of players that could use a fresh start elsewhere. He included both DJax & Chris Johnson to benefit in following the footsteps of Jared Allen, Ware, Steve Smith & Schaub. He includes DJax mainly because he just can’t see both sides smoothing this over.

  • GEAGLE

    Clayton talked about how we added some more wrinkles to our “Australian sports science” that Chip won’t reveal to outsiders of the organization…so guys who left for other teams can spill the beans on our old sport science, but predictable Chip making sure he stays above the curve…

    • John E. Zang

      Something that largely goes unnoticed. It’s quite remarkable that they didn’t put a single player on IR last season. We had Wolfe but that was an injury caused by impact and the others were knee injuries that happened well before the season. I just remember Andy’s teams were always beat up and constantly injured.

  • John E. Zang

    So tired of this constant over-analysis of the Desean watch. You’re not going to know anything until it happens or it doesn’t. Chips a smart man and he enjoys playing with the media that eat up every word for a story so he uses ambiguities and nearly everything he says you can interpret a few ways. Bottom line is, yes, they are open to a trade but if they don’t get fair price they’ll hang onto him until next year. You can bet they’re going to draft a wide out high and maybe trade up. That’s mostly why they prob want to move him. He won’t be happy when they draft a top wide out so it makes total sense to move him. Good business sense taking adavantage of this rare draft while lowering costs by dumping Deseans contract.