Wake-Up Call: ‘Significant Demand’ For Cooper

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With free agency set to kick off three weeks from today, one thing seems certain: It’s going to be fascinating to see how the market plays out for Riley Cooper.

The 26-year-old wide receiver is coming off a 47-catch, 835-yard, 8-TD season, and according to Mike Florio of Pro Football Talk, there will be “significant demand” for his services:

Per a league source, the man who slid into the starting lineup after Jeremy Maclin tore an ACL in the preseason, will have a significant demand for his services if/when he hits the market.

Tim and I discussed Cooper’s future last month. From where I sit, this should be a relatively simple process for the Eagles.




If they can bring him back at a relatively inexpensive price, go ahead and do it. Disregarding Jeremy Maclin for a moment, Cooper provides a starting-caliber receiver (in Chip Kelly's system, at least). If Maclin comes back too, or if they draft a wide receiver early, Cooper provides some much needed depth.

However, if there is indeed a significant market for Cooper, Howie Roseman should bow out and move on. Cooper was a nice contributor in 2013, but overpaying him would be a mistake. If the Eagles do their homework on mid-level free agents and draft prospects, they should be able to replace Cooper's production.

On offense, the team has significant money committed to LeSean McCoy, DeSean Jackson and Jason Peters. Nick Foles could be in line for a significant payday with a strong performance in 2014. Paying big money to Cooper just doesn't make sense, especially when you consider he averaged just 29.4 yards per game playing starter snaps in 2012.

As for actual numbers, it's tough to come up with a similar comp. One name I came across was Laurent Robinson. He hadn't done anything his first four seasons in the league before landing with the Cowboys. In 2012, Robinson caught 54 balls for 858 yards and 11 touchdowns. He was about to turn 27 when free agency began the following offseason and signed a five-year, $32.5M deal ($14M guaranteed) with the Jaguars.

Robinson was considered a higher upside player than Cooper, but he also had an injury history. Cooper didn't do much his first three seasons, but had 47 catches for 835 yards and eight touchdowns last season. He'll turn 27 next offseason.

As always, it only takes one team to pay up. In the end, it will come down to what Cooper's looking for.

If he wants to maximize his earnings, he could be headed elsewhere. If he would rather not step into a locker room with 52 strangers who know him only from a short video clip at last summer's Kenny Chesney concert, and if he likes playing in Kelly's system, he'll opt to return.

WHAT YOU MISSED

Brian Baldinger identifies three free agents who could fit the Eagles' needs.

An All-22 look at free agent safety T.J. Ward.

Jason Avant advises Roger Goodell on locker room culture.

Kelly is searching for brains to go along with brawn.

WHAT THEY'RE SAYING

Jimmy Kempski of Philly.com likes OLB Marcus Bernard as a potential Eagles target:

Marcus Benard is similar to Butler in that regard. In four seasons with the Browns and Cardinals, Benard has registered a sack every 32.2 times he has had an opportunity to rush the passer, which is outstanding. In addition to his 3.5 sacks in 2013, Benard also knocked the QB down 10 times, according to ProFootballFocus. That was tied for 8th in the league among 3-4 OLBs, which is extra impressive considering the low number of opportunities Benard received.

Tommy Lawlor of Iggles Blitz chimes in on Brandon Graham's future:

If the Eagles asked my advice, I’d tell them to trade Graham to a 4-3 team. The guy can play. No one disputes that. But he just doesn’t seem like a good fit for the Eagles anymore. Graham lacks the size that Chip Kelly prefers. Graham is awkward when he’s got to drop back, which is part of playing OLB in the 3-4. And he’s going to be a free agent at the end of 2014. Does it seem likely that the Eagles would re-sign him?

COMING UP

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  • UKEagle99

    I’d trade Graham for a 4th. I think he will go on to play well in a scheme that fits him better, he’s surplus to requirements here and hopefully Joe Kruger can fill Graham’s snaps and offer us more.

    • GEAGLE

      If I could get a 4th for Graham within the next 3 weeks, I’d do it in a heartbeat and sign Everson Griffin or MJ if his price is low coming off a 3 sack year….but if that 4th round pic isn’t being offered til draft night, I’d probably hold on to BG for the year…BG is most likely a better option then a FA OLB who’s still available after the draft…trade BG now or keep him for the year…but it’s most likely a mistake to trade him on draft night(when the odds are highest to complete this trade) because the OLB market will have dried up by the time the draft rolls around….so BG should be pushed heavily this week at he combine. Need to trade him before FA starts, or we are better off keeping him for the year

      • aub32

        I don’t get this logic. If you are willing to trade him for a 4th it shouldn’t matter when as long as it’s before the draft. What is Graham giving us at this point? I wouldn’t dare put him at OLB above Barwin. Cole is still better against the run than Graham. So at this point he is being limited to a pass rush specialist. Those guys can be found in FA after the draft. The fourth round pick could turn into a key developmental ILB or OL that can replace some of our aging starters.

        • GEAGLE

          BG will be better OLB next year then he was this year. So much better that we want to keep him as a long term OLB?
          don’t know about all that…If we have to give up the improvement we will see out of BG this year, I would want it to be because we wanted to sign an OLB who is GUARENTEED to be part of the next era of eagles football, like Micheal Johnson or Everson Griffin..waiting til the draft to trade him means we either A) will have to chase two OLBs in the draft or B) signing a C list stop gap OLB in June..it’s such a critical position in a 3-4, that I don’t really want to go into a “win a playoff game or bust year” with say Barwin!Cole, a 2nd round OLB and a 5th round OLB…

          If we are to give up on Graham before ever seeing the kid play two years in a row in the same scheme, then I would hope we go into next season with:
          Barwin
          Cole
          Micheal Johnson or Everson Griffin
          Rookie like KVN or Marcus Smith

          With next year replacing Cole with another draft pick…I don’t want to go into a year where we are supposed to make the playoffs with two rookies and a limited OLB in Cole and Barwin…Much rather add 1 rookie OLB this year, and another one next offseason

          • aub32

            Again I am missing your logic. BG doesn’t start. If kept, he wouldn’t start. Wanting to see him in a second year in this scheme makes no sense. He does not have the skillset to thrive as an OLB. He hasn’t been a speed rusher since the knee injury, and he’s too short to expect he will consistently bat down passes at the LOS. I get you love hard and want your guys. However, the guys you mentioned aren’t the only other alternative. Not to mention that not getting those guys will not make BG a better player and worth holding onto. Good players can be had in the 4th. Why waste time on BG? The guys has yet to start consistently and prove anything as a DE. Yet you somehow think he will contribute in 2014. How? Barwin barely comes off the field. Cole and a rookie will likely man the ROLB spot. That just leaves nickel situations in which he will still be splitting snaps with Cole, Curry, Barwin, and other situational pass rushers.

    • guest

      Kruger has been bulking up. He’s going to play DE. He’s your replacement for Clifton Geathers. Unless he’s beaten out by a draft pick or a FA.

      They have Travis Long that could be Barwin’s backup, but they MUST find someone to back up (or start ahead of) Cole.

      I agree, I’d take a 4th for Graham. Its a shame we can’t get more, because he’s worth more to a 4-3 team, but teams know he’s worth less to the Birds.

      I’d LOVE to see Graham and a 2nd to Miami for Dion Jordan. Probably a pipe dream, and Jordan is more of a Barwin type than a pure pass rusher, but he could play the right side for now.

      • aub32

        I don’t know if you feel OLB is our biggest need, but if so would you trade a 1st and Graham to Miami for Jordan and a 5th?

  • Tom W

    Florio is a clown who is getting used by an agent just like mclane a month ago on twitter. He had 3 yrs of no production and one okay yr where he got most of his production in 3 games. Other teams would be clueless of they didn’t realize he is a product of the system and could be a distraction in their lockerroom.

    Cooper knows who is buttering his bread and will stay in Philly … The agent is just trying to drive up Howies initial offer. If coops agent wants to bluff Howie he is gonna lose.

    Last year hartline and amendola got 7m and 6m deals …. They had much stronger resumes, recent production, and better careers. Looking at comparable deals.. Think cooper is worth what James jones and kiddy Nelson got off their rookie deals …. Both guys are better w Rodgers as coop is w foles and didn’t do much their initial yrs. think an initial offer of 4 yrs for 14 million w 6 guaranteed would be fair. Coop needs to realize if he goes somewhere else for a bit more money there is risk he doesn’t succeed w new qb lockerroom or offensive system and gets cut after 2 yrs … That won’t happen here.

    • Ark87

      Not everyone will view him as a product of the system. He’s played in only 2 systems, with only 2 QB’s. That’s a ways off from universal conclusion that he can only excel in one system. He was actually quite bad in the Kelly system at one point. It took a QB that trusts him enough to throw it up to him to shine.

      That being said, I think the report is way off base. If a GM wants a WR, they will look to the draft this year, it’s loaded. Nobody will pay him big money with the draft in front of them. Some may circle back around for Coop after the draft, but by then we may have already decided to resign him ourselves.

      • Tom W

        Was it he who was bad or Vick who didn’t make the throws to wrs who were covered. He was awful in the west coast w Vick and foles and awful w Vick in Kelly’s system. Good w foles in Kelly system …. It’s the only conclusion that can be drawn and one that most nfl writers and commentators have made this offseason

        • Ark87

          Is it? I don’t disagree with the assertion that Cooper benefited from being in a successful scheme, but I don’t think the evidence is very formidable. I don’t see anything obvious that screams Cooper benefitted from X, which is unique to Kelly’s system. At best it’s a casual opinion. An argument can be made that a big WR who plays bigs, doesn’t disappear in the RZ, and has decent wheels can work anywhere with a QB willing to put the ball up to him. He got solid stats in Kelly’s system, but how much did he really benefit from it? As one of the best blocking WR’s (if not the best) on the team, many of his snaps were designated to that role. In most packaged plays, Cooper was one of the up men in the bubble screen option. If you have a good QB, Coop can work in your system. If you have an elite QB, coop could reach new heights. Wouldn’t be surprised to see the Broncos interested in him if they let Decker go.

          • Tom W

            Fair pts I could see him playing well in Denver after he draws man and has manning throwing him the ball

          • OldDocRoss

            Off the top of my head I think Denver, New England, Indianapolis, Seattle and GB are all teams who might be needing to employ a WR (either to upgrade what’s on their roster or replace their own FAs) and who would be comfortable that their coaching staff and/or locker room is strong enough to deal with any negative attention signing Cooper might draw.

            I also think the “this is just his agent trying to drive up his value!” talk is silly. There are 31 teams who would not be sad to see the Eagles overpay for Cooper or any other player. They can be pretty clever with what they do/don’t leak.

            Still means journalists can be played, but I doubt Florio just spent two minutes on the phone to Coop’s agent and thought “I got me a STORY!”. Because if nothing else, Riley Cooper free agency stories probably =! page views.

          • Ark87

            Yeah, I don’t disagree. I don’t think Riley’s agent would benefit from advertising prohibitive cost. He could benefit from leaking an offer he already has, to start a bidding war, but eliminating potential suitors this early? errrm. Not impossible, but I’m not convinced. Sounds like pure Florio Hack for page clicks to me. He has to be a Giants fan or something, he trolls the hell out of Eagles fans.

          • Tom W

            where in there is the source (or agent) advertising prohibitive cost and chasing teams away … he is just saying he will be in demand to start the eagles initial offer off higher bc everyone knows its more than likely he is coming back here … and/or try and create a buzz and market his player

          • Ark87

            It’s all speculation. That’s how I interpret “significant demand”. The way I see it, teams will be interested, but only if Cooper is coming out of the bargain bin. Otherwise, why not just draft a receiver to a rookie contract? Roll the dice. If anyone stands to benefit from such a report, it would be Howie Roseman planning to let Cooper test the waters, having driven off any interest, then signing Cooper to a no contest contract. Of course I don’t think that’s what happened, as that would compromise the relationship between Howie and Cooper’s camp.

            Anywho, if you’re 5, looking for a date to the prom, you don’t announce a bunch of 9’s have already asked you out, because all the 5’s, 6’s, 7’s and 8’s need not bother inquiring at that point. And you aren’t going to be getting any 9’s or 10’s. You’re going to be left without a date.

          • Tom W

            Why wouldn’t any of those teams take a look at the 9 or so fa wrs that are better or equal to than cooper — off the top of my head ..decker, nicks, maclin, sanders, edelman, gtate, james jones, bolden, andre roberts, dex mccluster OR better yet draft one of the ten first round or second round graded wrs …. rather than sign a one year “wonder” and a guy who could cause distractions

            Seattle has young guys it can plug in, same w gb and new england. I could see denver and maybe colts

            Just like Maclin’s agent didn’t leak the story about the interest in him. What’s more likely a team exec spouting off about coop or maclin or someone with a real financial interest and a tough wr market like their agent.

          • OldDocRoss

            Why wouldn’t any of those teams take a look at the 9 or so fa wrs that are better or equal to than cooper

            Depending on which of those you mean, could be money, age, injuries, size, lack of production last year or inability to play outside.

            They absolutely would have an interest in some of those guys, but I don’t think it’s unreasonable to suggest one or two of those teams might be interested in Cooper, even if he isn’t their first choice.

            Was there something in my original post that made you think I believed these teams would have interest in no other receivers? Or is this just a case of you reading something and taking it to an illogical extreme BECAUSE INTERNET!1!

            better yet draft one of the ten first round or second round graded wrs

            The track record of highly drafted WRs isn’t exactly stellar, especially if you’re looking at their production in year one.

            Just like Maclin’s agent didn’t leak the story about the interest in him. What’s more likely a team exec spouting off about coop or maclin or someone with a real financial interest and a tough wr market like their agent.

            I think it’s pretty likely that several teams will want to see Cooper (and/or Maclin) reach free agency. Greater supply of WRs in FA means teams having to offer less to the WR or WRs they want. This constitutes a “real financial interest”. Agents also have an interest, clearly, but unless it’s a *really* slow news day I doubt Florio would’ve bothered to write the story just on the back of that.

          • GEAGLE

            Could def see Denver liking him as a cheaper alternative to Decker….it’s really simple. Wanna remain an Eagle, then get an extension done these next two weeks…wanna “test” your value on the market?…then BYE!!!!

            Can’t be bidding on our own guys

        • GEAGLE

          Coop showed some flashes of this when FOles came in as a rookie, Maclin also played well for rookie FOles…Celek was horrible for Nicks rookie year, Rookie comes in cold off the bench. The veterans need to step up for him, instead balls were clanking off Celeks hands…
          ….
          It’s amazing how well Chip got Celek to play after how poorly he was playing these past two years. I was soooo wrong about Celek. I thought he was done, instead Chip rejuvenated him…Amazing what coaching does:
          Celeks hands of stone disappeared
          Bryce didn’t fumble all year
          Desean became more then a fly pattern threat..

          • guest

            Bryce didn’t get enough carries for fumbling to become a problem, but I agree with the rest of your post

          • GEAGLE

            What do you mean? Before Chip he was a liability to fumble every single time he had the ball…I mean do we forget how he used to run with the ball swinging all over the place?

          • Eagledelphia

            Bryce was too busy falling down to fumble

          • Andy124

            Although, Celek was on the receiving end of one of my very favorite rookie Foles’s passes. I think it was against Washington he zipped a pass over the middle to Celek as he got absolutely creamed. Loved the toughness on that play.

    • GEAGLE

      Yup!! This is simple agent talk…just like the jets having Maclin so high on their wish list that they couldn’t keep the intel from being leaked lol just agents using “reporters” to make noise for their client…

    • myeaglescantwin

      yes sir!!

  • Engwrite

    I wish everyone would stop quoting Kelly’s preference for size, his big people beat small people quote. King Dunlap was the biggest Eagle while DeSean Jackson is the smallest. Of course everyone would like to grab a megatron type player but there is only one of them out there just like there was only one Reggie White.

    • anon

      the exceptions don’t disprove the rule.

      • aub32

        True, but what happens when it’s more than a few exceptions? Logan is smaller than Soap. Welker is smaller than a lot of receivers. Stephen Hill of the Jets is plenty big. He’s also plenty terrible. Big people beat up small people makes for a nice mantra, but there are so many examples of big people like Dunlap getting outplayed by much smaller players.

        • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

          wait what? you only listed 1 more exception that is actually pertinent to the Eagles. We can all name players who are good and bad, and much of it has little to do with size. But all things equal, Chip absolutely favors larger guys. Look at who he brought in as CBs last year, and the Geathers signing.
          And maybe you missed the article yesterday, but Chip places just as much (if not more) emphasis on character and smarts. But if you think Logan outplaying Soap is a reason to discredit that theory, I dunno.

          • aub32

            I pointed out one example because I don’t have time to point out the dozens of examples all across the NFL. Yes Chip has his ideal player. Who doesn’t? Talent supercedes size. That is all I am saying. His big people quote is too overly used. Fans and media act like it’s his bible. It’s almost as bad as last offseason when all the media said that he needed a mobile QB to succeed. We got bigge corners because they fit the scheme. Do you think if there were some super stud press man CB at 5′ 9″ we would just overlook that player in favor of CW? I don’t.

          • Engwrite

            Let’s say players A and B perform equally well. You are going to pick the bigger one? Why? It is performance, not size that matters.

            Aub32 brought up Welker. A good example. When Belichick traded a 2nd pick to Miami for him (he is about 5′ 9″, 185 lbs and slow; ran a 4.65) he justified it by stating that film review showed Welker was always open against them. He could not be covered.
            Crazy, right? Welker went undrafted out of college and out of HS, no college wanted him (too small), his HS coach had to call a friend at Texas Tech (I think) where he did quite well.

            As you know this is a guy that has led the league in receiving three times. But it takes guts to go get a guy like that (which is why Belichick is the best coach) while it takes zero guts to get a big, strong, blazing fast guy (here you can add the names of lots of top picks) because afterward you can say “who would’ve imagined he would be a bust,” and get away with it.

          • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

            dude, re-read your 1st paragraph. no, just the first sentence. you said it yourself- all things being equal. Clearly, I’d rather have most other DTs than the man-mountain Geathers. Just like there are plenty of draft prospects better than McCullers, also a giant.

        • Andy124

          So we know that Chip isn’t going to live by that saying blindly. So the question is how much weight does it carry? I don’t think it’s really quantifiable, so we’re really just left to accept that in general, Kelly prefers bigger players and use that to guess what players the Eagles may value over others.

          I agree with Engwrite that it feels like people in general are clinging to that saying a bit too literally, as they did with the “every sack is on the quarterback” and “get rid of the ball in 1.5 seconds” quotes.

  • aub32

    I think the Robinson comparison is inaccurate. Robinson put up those numbers as the number 3 guy. Teams focused on stopping Dez and Miles, allowing Robinson to get very favorable matchups. I think Cooper does have some legit talent, and though I wouldn’t break the bank for him, I do think the Eagles should offer him decent money.

    • Tom W

      And I think Robinson got cut after year one cause he sucked and was a product of single coverage and the system w romo. Coop should be forewarned … Watch what u wish for cause nfl is a fickle league and teams can tear up that contract pretty damn quick

    • guest

      I believe Austin was hurt for a chunk of that year. You should have said Witten (although that may have been the year he missed time too, but I dont know that for sure, so lets assume he played all 16). Doesn’t change your point…Robinson was at best the 3rd option for Dallas’ offense that year.

      But I think the Cooper-Robinson comparison is extremely accurate. Its not like Cooper garnered much attention from defenses. When Robinson did his thing, the Cowboys didn’t have much of a running game to focus on, so regardless of whether Austin played or not, defenses could focus primarily on the pass. Against the Eagles, defenses had to account for Shady first. That often led to an extra defender in the box. The defenders that were back in pass coverage focused on DeSean, allowing Cooper to get very favorable matchups.

      I think Cooper should ask for, and will receive, a very similar deal that Robinson got. But I do NOT think that the Eagles should pay that amount. Give Maclin a solid 2 year deal and then go draft someone who can start in the slot at first and develop into a replacement for one of the outside guys in a couple years.

      • aub32

        Miles may have missed some time, but it was not as much as in the last two years. Robinson did most of his damage in the slot against safeties, which we know there are few that can actually cover, and slot corners. Cooper did face starting caliber CBs, even if he wasn’t the defenses main focus. He was an asset to the running game, and he finally played to his size consistently. He’s no number 1 obviously, but the Eagles can afford to pay him some decent money. If they front load his contract, he will have a low cap number when it comes time to extend or resign some of these other players.

        • OldDocRoss

          2011 was the start of Miles Austin’s gimpy years. Missed six games entirely and only averaged about three receptions a game when he did play after about week six. Full disclosure: I’m waaaay more familiar with Miles Austin than I’d like because I was stupid enough to take a late round flier on him in fantasy land this year. I’d be grateful if you kept your mocking to a minimum.

          Robinson was OK in games where Austin didn’t play at all. Here’s his game logs (Miles missed weeks 3&4 and 10-13):

          http://www.nfl.com/player/laurentrobinson/2495721/gamelogs?season=2011

          • aub32

            Thanks for the clarification. No mocking neccessary. You have suffered enough.

          • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

            I had the same FFL experience with Hakeem Nicks. Needless to say, I want nothing to do with him in FA either

          • OldDocRoss

            Holding overwhelming grudges towards players based purely on fantasy performance is entirely reasonable IMO.

            I mean, I’m sure Curtis Martin is just a swell dude, but for me he will always be the guy who ran for a gazillion yards one season then limped his was to about three inches a carry the next year once *I’d* gone and drafted him. I’m convinced he did it to spite me. As$hole.

      • Tom W

        I think any team would be nutz to offer cooper that much money in this wr market … and robinson deal was a giant bust … dont you think teams will learn not to chase the one year wonder

        That’s more money than hartline and amendola got last year and cooper is no way near as good as them (when amendola has been healthy) …

        Why is there all this Cooper love and why are fans so willing to overpay for a replaceable talent. He played well at times this year … put up most of his numbers in a couple of games … blocks well … .still can’t be man coverage consistently and never draws a double team … hence what happened in the saints game for 3 quarters.

        We cannot must not overpay for him … offer him a reasonable deal (4 yrs-5yrs 3.5-4.5mil a yr) and if he takes it to other teams we walk and look at james jones, tate, sanders, nicks, mcluster or just roll w djax, maclin, rookie, smith and avant/rookie. I see absolutely no reason to pay for a guy who is easily replaceable

  • GEAGLE

    This site is too good to be passing along Florios bullshit. If he is the only one “reporting” a story, then it’s bullshit!. Florios “NFL sources”??? Hahahaha you mean Coops agent? As if this is some groundbreaking intel that you couldn’t site your sources name? Hahaha what a joke Florio is….If Jason LaConfora, or Florio are the only ones reporting a story, it’s most likely CRAP!

    • guest

      Everyone rips on Florio, but he’s nothing like LaCanfora. You dont like Florio because Tommy doesn’t like Florio. lol.

      Florio goes WAY overboard with the conspiracy theories, but his sources are rock solid. LaCanfora makes stuff up. Florio just reports stories that other people (Schefter, Glazer, etc). They rarely breaks stories. PFT is a site that just gathers all of those reports in one easy-to-read site. Take it for what it is.

      And an agent isn’t a “league source.” A “league source” is someone that works for a team or for the NFL. An agent would be referred to as “someone close to the player”

      • GEAGLE

        I don’t like Florio because Tommy doesn’t like him? Huh…I don’t like Florio because he constantly proves to be more Gossipy, then a credible source of intel. I don’t find him to be credible, and I. Don’t respect news outlets who don’t care about their credibility..why would I?..honestly, I have NEVER seen ANYONE stick up for Florio..Honestly. learn something new every day…I don’t have to take anything for what it’s worth because it’s irrelevant,..Coop isn’t going to sniff the fee agent market. Does everyone else not like Florio because of Tommy, or is it just me?

      • DharmaBum

        Agreed. Florio doesn’t claim to “break” stories. His site always has been a clearinghouse for links to stories from around the league. He simply follows all the papers and stories emerging from the various NFL cities, and collects them all in one place. He certainly offers his take on them and therein lies what some people call the “gossip-mongering”. The truth is, Florio’s background as a lawyer has made his analysis invaluable when it came to certain stories. The Hernandez case comes to mind, but there have been literally hundreds over the years.

        You have to remember, Florio has been at this since around 1995, long before there were dozens of NFL blogs in every NFL city. He did it from his basement, while doing the lawyer thing, full-time. I still don’t know how he had the time, honestly. Even back then, he was posting about a dozen stories a day, with analysis.

        I’ll admit, I’m a bit biased, since I served as one of Florio’s some-time “sources”, and used to email back and forth with him regularly. He had guys like me in every NFL city, along with following all the media outlets. He’s actually a good guy. Every person on this board would KILL to have his gig. Criticism just comes with the territory, that’s all. There’s no way on earth that he, or anyone else, is going to please everyone. Say what you will about the guy, but he does a great job.

  • G_WallyHunter

    Last paragraph says it all

  • Tom W

    Was thinking about acquiring draft picks via,trade. Aside from graham and getting squat….what would Andy give for celek … Fasano stinks and t kelce was hurt and raw ….. Would Andy give us a 3d for celek? How bout a 6th for avant?

    • Tom W

      How bout a 4th for,Todd if when he loses his starting guard and left tackle

      • GEAGLE

        If Lamicheal James is cut! we could see Bryce traded, But it makes no sense to trade Bryce if we then have to trade for James…I guess if Chip wants to draft a RB, he could still trade Bryce during the draft
        ….
        Avant would be fortunate to fetch us a 6th, I doubt he would get as many snaps with other teams as he would get with us…

        Todd and Celek could be candidates…but if we trade Celek, I would want it to be on draft night after we secured Fiedorowicz….I just don’t know how willing Chip would be to part with Celek…
        ..l
        It’s awesome to get new players, but giving our guys the continuity should provide better quality of play then we got last year…unless guys wake up and all of the sudden feel drastically older then when they went to sleep the night before, I’m expecting improvements out of everyone…

    • cliff henny

      celek no dead avant 700k, be about the best guys to trade. not sure how dead money works for a trade on herremanns. he carries pretty good chunk of dead, think 3.6m. wonder if that’s eligible to be june 1st split between ’14/’15 cap.

  • GEAGLE

    Decker is said to command 9-10mil per year.

    Nicks value is being speculated at 3-4mil per year
    ,..
    Word is that the Niners are completing a new contract for 34yr old BOldin, two years 10mil, 6Mil in Guarentees
    ….
    I’m estimating an extension for Coop getting done at like 3mil per year, with incentives that can make it more lucrative if he continues to play like a baby BEASTMODE..

    There are two types of FA. Ones who sign a contract and never again play to the level they played to earn that contract, and then their are FA who’s best ball will be played during the duration of the new contract they are about to sign….two ACL injuries on Maclins same knee scares me. But it he manages to retain his speed, his best ball is still ahead of him. Same with Coop. He may never put up the Gawdy numbers he had this year, but I do expect him to continue being a redzone threat and a big play threat…
    ….
    A guy like Decker will get PAID and never play at he level he played this year to earn this mega contract..I think the best WR play from the WR signed in this FA will come from Emmanuel Sanders, Coop and Maclin(if he hasn’t lost a step)…guys like Decker and Nicks are going to get paid, and then dissapoint..

    • Tom W

      If sanders goes anywhere but New England I doubt his career is all that special and that’s more a product of Brady. Hasn’t shown much last year and was actually outplayed by cotchery. I don’t see decker getting anywhere near that much no matter how much u keep saying it day after day. Hartline is a nice comparison and he got closer to 6 million. I think w wrs galore in the draft nobody at wr in free agency is going to get Wallace type money

      • GEAGLE

        Hey dickhead,,,I’m not estimating Decker at anything…those are the figures being reported by multiple media outlets, so you can rudely take it up with them, not me. Like do dickheads have to take senseless shots every single morning? Wtf

      • EaglePete

        I think he gets 6 – 8mil range but I do think it will be closer to 8 with bonus etc. Which is a bit pricey for sure although of all the wrs out there, he is tops imo. Size, red zone.

    • cliff henny

      who in the world is paying decker 9m? know 1 team that isnt, at least, and really all that matters. just hope either cooper or maclin is signed soon. think both might be luxury, neither doesnt seem very smart. get at least one under contract, make draft weekend and weeks leading up to it alot easier.

      • GEAGLE

        Beats me, but I never thought anyone would give Mike Wallace 60mil either…I don’t even think Decker is that good to begin with…some dumb team will pay him to be a number 1 WR, which he clearly isn’t…but that’s what happens when you want to go FA shopping, most of the time you are stuck paying GREAT player money for a good player….which is exactly what’s so frustrating about the Ward/Byrd situation…it’s rare that you can get a GREAT, ELITE player in FA, who is actually worth the BIGTIME contracts you get by being the best player on the market at a certain position…you normally have to overpay to sign another teams player…Byrd is a unique opportunity to pay for GREATNESS and actually get your money’s worth

        • cliff henny

          know alot of people bash lurie (me too, it’s fun), but his ability to stink with coaches gms really helps. so many of these guys are living year to yr, ’16 or ’17’s cap means absolutely dick to them. we saw what happened when reid got desperate. sounds like howie has an understanding between byrd and decker getting 9m.

          • GEAGLE

            It absolutely helps…owners with quick trigger fingers force coaches and GMs to take more risks, which results in greater odds for big mistakes…If you aren’t allowing your front office to “build” the right way, you will just stay on the hamster wheel of mediocrity

    • Ark87

      just a point of discussion, how much do you think the Eagles would be willing to offer Coop? How much would you be comfortable with the birds paying him?

      • GEAGLE

        3-4m, with incentives that make it more lucrative if he continues to play like a monster…
        4-5yrs 15mil, 6 in Guarentees…or something like that….then again, the cap has never been my thing,,,for 15years we never had cap problems and always had flexibility to get whoever we wanted, so I never really had to worry about the cap as an eagles fan. It’s the one thing we could always count on them doing right

        • Ark87

          sounds about right, We love our incentives. Would be fun to see all the potential dollars not spent from the 2011 and 2012 seasons from not reaching those incentives. I don’t know if anybody hit those incentives, particularly in 2012.

          • GEAGLE

            Lol good point…that would be Interesting Intel to see, How much money did we save in un reached incentives during the last two years of Andy…

          • Ark87

            Yeah, that whole process is a bit wacky too me.

            “Compensatory free agents are determined by a formula that was developed by the NFL Management Council. Not every free agent lost or signed by a team is covered by this formula.”

            Maybe our FA’s aren’t covered? There has to be a more succinct and fair way to do it…

          • GEAGLE

            Only FA that count are the ones we drafted,..so losing Vick doesn’t count towards the formula, but losing Colt,Kurt,Nate!Mac and Coop would….I just don’t understand how anyone can make a statement that we won’t get compensatory picks without knowing:
            1) which players we drafted will we lose in FA?
            2)’how much those players are signed for?
            3) How much we spent replacing them in FA?

            Those 3 aspects are calculated in a formula that dictates how many comp picks we are awarded…..I don’t get how anyone has any clue what are comp picks will or won’t look like at this point…

          • Tom W

            I believe its previous year … wallace gets dolphins a 3d etc.

          • Ark87

            that would make sense. We did load up on FA’s last off-season to fill a lot of gaps, particularly on the D. That way they can also account for FA’s acquired after the draft (otherwise draft strategy would encourage not signing any FA’s until post-draft).

          • Tom W

            goes off of last year’s free agency.

        • Tom W

          well you have restated what the media is stating as fact numerous times and I can certainly refute that just like you can refute Cooper is going to break the bank …. very possible its Decker’s agent touting what he is going to command on the market to drive up the price. Instead of going off of rumors, trying doing what gms do every year and look at historical contract prices …sites like abovethecap and spotrax have all last year’s contracts, etc and those deal are what most gms look at when negotiating fair deals … if a team wants to go off the reservation for someone then so be it but recent deals w comparable players is the starting point.

  • Token

    This is coming from his agent.

    Cooper will get a Avant type contract, max.

    • GEAGLE

      Yeah he most likely is in that ball park…anyone remember how much GUARENTEED money Avant signed for?

      • OldDocRoss
        • GEAGLE

          Thank you sir…5yrs almost 15mil, 8mil in guarentees…sounds about right for Cooper.

          • OldDocRoss

            You’re welcome!

            I’d be worried about somebody matching that. I mean, NE threw $31m over five ($10m guaranteed) at Amendola* and at the time he only had, like, one of his original limbs or something. And NE are very much smarter than most teams when it comes to spending money.

            I reckon the reason we’re seeing this story is that there’s teams who want Cooper to test the market but don’t want to have to pick up the phone to him on day one of FA.

            Hope I’m wrong, and I do believe he genuinely wants to stay in Philly all things being equal. He offers us something our other receivers don’t and he looked really good last season.

            *I know he’s a totally different player to Coop, just using him as an example of a WR who recently got decent money despite (perceived) issues.

          • GEAGLE

            I don’t expect us to ever let him make it to FA….basically, which ever of our players aren’t extended before free agency starts, I expect to not be brought back. I don’t see Howie bidding on his own players….Come to an agreement with Mac and Coop these next two weeks, or let them walk

          • Maggie

            “only had one of his original limbs”. Lol A new $6 Million Dollar Man – “we have the technology”. Love an occasional glimpse of originality in these comments.

  • myeaglescantwin

    Cooper can go ahead and sign somewhere else. We can get a compensatory pick if he does, and i’m quite sure that Howie “steely eyed” Roseman can find another 6’4 4.67 WR somewhere in the later rounds..
    #productofasystem

    • Brent E. Sulecki

      Cooper is a 4.5 guy. give the guy some credit. with maclin hurt he played a huge part to our season. with he and maclin back it gives you so much more to do. im hoping it happens

      • myeaglescantwin

        you’re right, he ran a 4.53..

        he just plays at a 4.67 speed.
        I’d like to have both Maclin and Cooper back so we could throw DeSean in the slot..

        but am i willing to pay him like a true #1 or #2 WR.. not a chance.

        • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

          why put our best receiver in the slot? what is the fascination with this?
          all 3 guys run all the routes and are moved all over, per Chip’s system; it’s not the case like other teams where guys only play outside or inside. but no matter what, the vast majority of DJax’s snaps will be on the outside, as it has been his entire frigging career

          • myeaglescantwin

            the fascination is matchups, no nickel corner will ever cover him.
            also, if you watched any games this year, any press coverage completely eliminates DeSean Jackson.. He is a one trick pony. . tell me how his stats went in the NO game. DeSean can be removed from the game with a press corner on him.. Put him against the 3rd CB or a safety, or even an LB and his production should increase..

            football 101 brother.

          • Joe L

            Yes, a 1 trick pony. That one trick does NOT include running routes in the middle of the field, like a true slot receiver would do.

          • myeaglescantwin

            if you think DeSean is a #1 receiver ,, more power to you..
            and yes a typical slot WR exposes the middle of the field..

            Except that Chip’s slot WRs attacked the deep safeties and mostly attacked the edges with outside WRs crossing to the middle.

          • aub32

            So riddle me this. How many teams have a WR that is actually better than DeSean? I don’t mean have the prototypical size that seems moree important to you than actual production. I argue that DeSean would be the number 1 option on over half the teams in the league right now. How does that equate to a slot receiver? Stop just looking at size, and try focusing what a player’s actual skill set and production.

          • Joe L

            When did Chip’s receivers do that from the slot? Because I know Avant wasn’t doing it.

          • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

            clearly, if this is 101 for you, we’re watching a different game. Plenty of teams have pressed DJax, last year and before that, yet that one-trick pony put up career-best #’s in a system that resulted in the best Eagles offense in franchise history. And also, evidently, he’s shown so much ability to take big hits and work from the slot in the past.

          • myeaglescantwin

            most of his production came when moved around formations.
            IE.. slot and motion plays. Rarely did he take the top of defenses from the wideout position.

          • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

            ok. you win. i’ll just leave this here, and go about the rest of my day. Stay as long as you want, cast as many down votes, it’s cool. this board can always use more geniuses.

          • aub32

            Good for you Rob. I can’t believe he just made that up. No point arguing with someone who makes up their own facts.

          • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

            I can agree with you all day on that notion.

          • NickS1

            It’s like Dutch went to grammar school.

          • OldDocRoss

            “I’m financial analyst” suggests otherwise.

            And who or what can his eagles twin with? I’m so confused :(

          • Andy124

            Looks like I missed all the fun. Damn work.

          • myeaglescantwin

            i didn’t down arrow anything from you.

            and if you watched the highlight you posted for you points, you proved mine..
            Obviously DeSean can run past any crap CB’s in the game. SanDiego, Washing, Oak… but if you watch the film you have provided, how many times was DeSean in motion, or inside the the numbers for these big plays?
            Hell the fist couple plays in the video were with him in the slot.

            The key to DeSean’s game is space. No one can compete with him in space. It’s up to Kelly to find inovative ways to make that happen.

          • Ark87

            While I appreciate the Breaking Ben, I wish the highlights were to “Diamonds on my Neck”. Give him an alternative music video that doesn’t make him look ridiculous.

            The song choice may have been a bit passive aggressive.
            song1: “I’m falling down”
            song2 “you had to have it all, well have you had enough? You greedy little bastard, you will get what you deserve”

            kidding! Neutral party, don’t kill me!

          • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

            I can’t watch 90% of these without the mute button on. I love hip-hop, but some of this is straight trash.

            de la soul just gave away all their albums for free on valentine’s day. Absolutely made my day, even though I had them. Turns out, they don’t make the best valentine’s gift, either.

          • Andy124

            Can’t see the video, but if it’s Breaking Ben then a million up-votes for you sir. Which song is it?

          • GEAGLE

            I dunno man…I seen Desean expand his game this year. He had some bad moments, but I also seem him do things he didnt do in the past which led to the one trick pony label…His Route Tree will always be limited, but in his first year under Chip, i think he expanded his game nicely. Even starting to produce in the redzone…if Desean is to improve one area this summer, I hope it would be those pivot routes that Welker likes to run. Desean doesn’t have that in his arsenal right now, and I think adding that to his game makes him even more dangerous

            Also would like to see Desean run slants out of the slot on 3rd..think FOles/Djax can develop a dangerous slant game..and once we convert a couple 3rd downs with slants, Desean will blow the top off defenses with (fake) slant and go routes…

          • aub32

            DeSean didn’t really expand his game. Chip just allowed him to do more. We have seen DeSean do similar things throughout his career, but many, including coach Reid, were and are focused on his ability to get down field annd either catch the long bomb or attract safety coverage. The only difference in DeSean this year was that he no longer got bored running the same 9 route over and over. I expect to see him continue to show fans what he can do when given opportunity. He may end up going down as one of the best receivers in franchise history.

          • myeaglescantwin

            thank god.

            see fellas.. he gets it.

          • GEAGLE

            Lol I damn sure wasn’t agreeing with you..

            Cooper and Maclin will be here next year, so you might as well get used to rooting for Cooer lol
            ..
            You called Desean a 1 trick pony, I argued that you are wrong. You Said Coop is over rated and we will let him walk, I think he is a lock to return….find it odd that you would like my post, when it disagrees with everything you wrote…but thanks, I guess lol

          • cliff henny

            yup, on 3rd down can put him in slot, not so much 1st or 2nd, he’ll get steamrolled and hurt trying to block. d-jax is d-jax, limited but what he does well is about as good as it gets in nfl. on 1st and 2nd, can do those ghost motions, that has him effecting the box without blocking. other problem with jax as a slot is he doesnt run thru contact. i hate cruz, but that guy has a 6th sense how to catch at 4yards and squeeze 3 more out on 3rd and 6…that’s not d-jax.

          • aub32

            So the guy put up over 1300 yards for the season playing primarily on the outside, yet he’s good to only be a slot guy. What is wrong with you? For someone who refers to football 101, maybe you need to retake that class. How was DeSean a one trick pony? The guy went deep, got big gains on screen passes, ran end around, and was good in the intermediate game. Also, how about looking at the play of the QB or O line for the NO game. Was it DeSean’s fault they underperformed?

          • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

            it says it right there in his profile, when you click the name. I know football. No need to argue with this brainiac.

          • myeaglescantwin

            so it’s obvious you guys don’t watch the all 22 footage..

            answer me this question… in the preseason,, wasn’t DeSean benched because he wasn’t learning the other roles in the offense..???

            Kelly knew he wouldn’t have the success he DID THIS SEASON by playing the outside strictly..

            and that one trick i am referring to.. SPEED.

            you guys are like the Skip Bayless of birds 247.

          • aub32

            HAHAHA. So having speed is one trick. So it doesn’t matter how many diffent ways you use speed. He’s still a one trick pony. So by that logic Manning must be a one trick pony because all he uses is his brain. That’s so ridiculous.
            ….
            First off, get your facts straight. DeSean wasn’t benched in preseason. He was demoted during the offseason during OTAs around June.
            ….
            Second, no one is saying DeSean shouldn’t play a couple snaps a game in the slot. Those plays keep teams on edge. Hell, Megatron and Fitzgerald play a couple plays a game in the slot. However, all 3 guys are primarily outside WR per their ability.
            ….
            Let me point out why you are so clueless. Who is the best slot guy in the game? Wes Welker. He’s a 4.6 guy, and that was in his prime. SPEED, as you put it, is not a prerequesite to play in the slot.
            ….
            Now that I have pointed this out. I’m going to take a hint from Rob and bow out of this conversation. You obviously aren’t worth arguing as you don’t even know your facts and choose to make things up when google is so easy to use.

          • myeaglescantwin

            what exactly did i make up?.. you say that but haven’t proven anything..
            The video provided proves my points more than the those who think they can argue mine.

        • Adam

          DeSean in the slot.. lmao

          • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

            yup, right after we get that 2nd rounder for Brandon Graham

          • myeaglescantwin

            u should post less so you seem smarter.

        • cliff henny

          101?! that’s giving him college level knowledge. read enough of Rob’s posts to think he’s struggling with GED

          • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

            I’ll pass that test one day….

        • Brent E. Sulecki

          I don’t know what you saw. but that boy ran away from defenders pretty well last year. I don’t see a 4.67..

  • Eagledelphia

    Dont know if anyone else has posted this but the pro football focus projected lineup rankings for the Birds is up now
    https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2014/02/18/projected-lineups-philadelphia-eagles/

  • GEAGLE

    Word is Saints and Jimmy Graham still having problems

    • Joe L

      It’ll get worked out. He’s not going anywhere.

      • GEAGLE

        I expect them to be headed towards arbitration

  • Joe L

    I can see Detroit making a run at Cooper to replace Burleson in their lineup.

    • cliff henny

      they’ll draft one in 1st, it’s what they do

      • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

        thankfully, that will also eliminate the bust WR from the group

        • cliff henny

          imagine megatron and evans. thankfully stafford will still be throwing off his back foot into triple coverage often

  • http://boyga.com/ joolyen

    Cooper is extremely overrated. Smart money says he’ll get a better contract from another team and he leaves. No big deal we can replace him easily in the draft and pay that player less money than we’d have to pay him.

  • Sven

    Cooper will be back. There is no doubt. Nick Foles, Brent Celek are very close to the guy and they don’t want to piss those guys off.

  • Kev_H

    Is Cooper a product of the system or is he a solid wide receiver who struggled with the Mike Vick run around and throw experience? He has 13 TDs in 4 years, 11 from Foles, one from Kolb, and one from Vince Young. Roddy White wasn’t putting up numbers in Atlanta until Vick got thrown in jail. Once he started playing with tradition QBs, he went nuts averaging something like 90 catches and 1,300 yards per year for six years.

    • Jonathan R. Henry

      The truth may be somewhere in the middle. There is a reason Cooper had difficulty making it on the field his first few seasons before Maclin’s injury. He was clocked at 4.5 at the combine, but his game speed was much slower. I think Foles showed some trust in him, but I also think Cooper began playing faster and getting some separation.