Free Agency, 2008 Re-draft And McDermott

NFL: NFC Wildcard Playoff-New Orleans Saints at Philadelphia Eagles

Some weekend links to pass along before the divisional round begins…

The Rotoworld crew has a terrific master list of free agents up. Some things that stand out:


* There are not a lot of quarterback options out there. They've got Michael Vick as their top QB free agent. That means he probably has a decent chance of finding a more attractive option than coming back to the Eagles.

* There has been some talk about Jeremy Maclin potentially signing a one-year "prove-it" deal and then trying to cash in next offseason. But looking at the list of wide receiver free agents, he could very well get a nice multi-year offer on the open market this offseason. Rotoworld has Maclin as the second-best free agent wide receiver behind only Denver's Eric Decker. Maclin tore his ACL, but he did so in the summer and will be more than a year removed from surgery by the time next season starts.

* Meanwhile, Riley Cooper is listed as the 10th-best wide receiver.

* The safety rankings are also noteworthy. As Tim mentioned earlier this week, the top two guys - Buffalo's Jairus Byrd and Cleveland's T.J. Ward - both played their college ball at Oregon. Nate Allen, though, is No. 8. Allen certainly improved in 2013, but this is another reminder that teams around the league have trouble finding safety help. It's just a thin position overall.

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ESPN.com's Mel Kiper Jr. re-drafts the 2008 class. If teams had it to do all over again, Kiper says DeSean Jackson would have gone No. 8 to the Jaguars:

Not only does Jackson have more than 1,500 more receiving yards than the next closest pass-catcher in the class, he's also been underrated in his durability, having played in 87 of a possible 96 regular-season games. The Jags get a dynamic playmaker instead of one of the bigger busts in the draft -- not a bad exchange.

The Eagles traded their first-round pick (No. 19) to Carolina that year. They took Trevor Laws (No. 47) and Jackson (No. 49) in the second round. Other than Jackson, the Eagles didn't get much in 2008: Laws, DE Bryan Smith, OL Mike McGlynn, safety Quintin Demps, CB Jack Ikegwuonu and OL Mike Gibson.

If you're wondering who Kiper had going No. 19 (the Eagles' original slot), it was All-Pro guard Carl Nicks.

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Les Bowen of the Daily News caught up with Sean McDermott and wrote a good feature this week. I thought this nugget was interesting:

McDermott looks a little more weathered, less fresh-faced, than he did when he left Philadelphia. He said he slept 4 nights a week in the office back then, doesn't now.

As we mentioned earlier this year, Eagles coaches (including Chip Kelly) do not spend their nights at the NovaCare Complex.

McDermott and the Panthers take on the 49ers Sunday afternoon for a chance to go to the NFC title game.

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  • Will

    Safeties

    1. Jairus Byrd
    2. T.J. Ward
    3. Antoine Bethea
    4. Chris Clemons
    5. Malcolm Jenkins
    6. Stevie Brown
    7. Major Wrigh

    Well here’s all the possible FA Safeties gonna have to wait till March 11th to see for sure…I’d be happy with almost any 2…There is also a Graham trade maybe…gotta think since Howie can’t find a Safety his white whale maybe he buys 2 off the list and trys to draft one….I could see Howie going Clemons and Wright…

    • theycallmerob

      You forgot:

      1(a) Kerry Rhodes

      • Will

        Think he retired and moved to a gay community….still a great Safety but you got to move on…been reported Chip does not want any problem child’s on his team….Both Chip and Howie want high character guys…

        • Media Mike

          How is Kerry Rhodes a problem child?

          • Will

            He is not on a FA list so let it go…I advocated for him to death maybe age or $ had something to do with it…media circus, gay issue maybe….maybe all of that as a whole…

          • Media Mike

            I was just curious as to why he’d be viewed as a problem child. I wasn’t harping on signing him, but I just wouldn’t classify him as a problem player.

    • GEAGLE

      I dunno about Clemons..Miami fans aren’t too keen on him….Clemons won’t cost ridiculous money, so I question why Miami would let a starting safety walk when they haven’t drafted his replacement yet..safeties are so hard to find, I question why Miami wouldn’t try and keep Clemons

    • GEAGLE

      I’m almost at the point where I say screw all of them…

      Sign Bernard Pollard to a contract we can get out of in two years, and draft a young safety high for him to groom:
      haha Dix
      Calvin Pryior
      Dion Bailey
      Deon Buchannon
      …..

      • Will

        Too much to hope for with Chip being an Offensive guy WR got exposed see him going WR before Saftey

        • Will

          Pollard is a hitter and a little slow…someone brought up the point that hard hitting Safeties get flags now with new rules…and he’s 29 now…I like him though ….

          • Media Mike

            Pollard is fun to watch because he lays dudes out, but I’m concerned he’d be a liability here.

          • GEAGLE

            Im starting to get depressed again by the safety position…we aren’t going to adress it to my liking

          • GEAGLE

            If we are drafting safety high, then he will be expected to start his sophomore year, day one…so signing a 29yr old that we only need to start one year wouldn’t be an issue…
            ..
            Really liked how pollard was on Justin Hunters ass all year because he knew they needed the kid. Early in the year pollard was so hard on him. But by the end of the year that kid was balling..
            ….
            And who knows, maybe the rookie is ready Midseason to where he can’t be kept off the field…Bernard being bad in coverage is overblown…it’s not a strength..

            Cary sucks in Coverage, Bernard sucks in coverage..yeah yeah I think I can settle for having half the secondary from last years Super Bowl champs in place for a year or two until we draft and groom stars to replace them

          • theycallmerob

            You know what made those guys great in BAL? having Webb lock down a WR, thus allowing Reed to cover deep when Sconces played 10 yards off and Pollard was in the box.

            I want nothing to do with Pollard. I’d take Allen any day, all day over him.

          • GEAGLE

            Allen is going to require a 5yr contract…Bernard is an old head who knows he is lucky to get two years worth of security. Both Pollard and Nate won’t be good enough to keep us from finding our safety in the draft? So if we still have to draft a safety to start for us, I would much rather add a grizzly Vet to a contract we can get out of in a year or two..

            If we do our job and hit on the safety we draft, their is a good chance he would be ready to start Midseason, after a bye week…and the safety we will draft will be good in coverage.
            ..
            So I’d rather have Bernard on that rookies ass! Starting for half a season while the rookie eases his way in til he takes over…

            Don’t think you can get Nate to sign a stop gap contract.

            Only Byrd,Ward,and Whitner are really good enough to keep us from having to draft a safety…if we aren’t getting one of them a safety will be drafted in the’first 3 rounds to eventually pair with Wolff…if that’s going to be the plan I think a nasty veteran like pollard would be good for our young safeties

          • theycallmerob

            I can’t disagree more. I don’t want him playing or starting 1 game, 8 games, a season, whatever. We don’t need a tired old vet to “teach” our kids, that’s what coaches are for. The lockerroom has enough vets and leaders. This isn’t about money or length of deal, simply talent and playing time; Pollard has none and deserves none, respectively. And it’s a huge stretch to assume Wolff can be a day 1 starter, let alone carry the safeties if Pollard were here.

          • GEAGLE

            Pollard is just one of my personal favs…I can’t say that I would actually expect us to sign him..
            ..
            If I’m trying to predict what the eagles do, right now my guess would be/
            1) Byrd/Ward prob too expensive(Oakland will screw up the market and give one 60mil lol)
            ….
            2) I think we take a serious look at trying to make the numbers work with Whitner on a deal with an escape clause after 2-3years..but some team will most likely outbid us..

            most likely we will sign two guys like Nate!major Wright, and draft a Safety in round four…which will piss me off

          • Tikkit

            Watched A LOT of Pollard over the last few years. Hits like a linebacker but covers like a Chung. Pass.

          • Media Mike

            apt

          • GEAGLE

            Chung can’t play the run or pass….adding an extra LB safety type ATleast improves the run game…and if we had an extra LB type it would have been more difficult for the saints to run all over our Nickle defense…..we have 1 safety, Earl Wolff…we need Iike 4 new ones….and it doesn’t have to be Bernard! but I wouldn’t mind a safety in our bullpen who is a quasi LB in run situations….

            Everyone just wants to Chang our entire playoff teams…I hear people say they want 4 new WR, 4 new safeties, 3 new CBs….it don’t work that way…..our 53 man roster will have at the most, 10 new faces total next year

          • theycallmerob

            I’m really hoping Wolff plays well, we get a young kid who at least sees some playing time (like Wolff did this year), and maybe get Nate Allen back as a 3rd (I do think Davis needs more flexibility to play nickel and dime defenses).

            2 factors to consider that should also help- CB depth has to improve (it can’t get any worse), and a decent pass rush will make any secondary better.

          • GEAGLE

            If we are choosing between B list safeties, and have to draft a safety anyway..might as well bring back Nate who is ATleast familiar…how much of an upgrade would Major Wright really be?
            ..
            Our CB depth is non exsistent…we have to start adding CB depth….our depth is so bad that we might keep Roc lol…we have other corners to replace before we get to that scab

  • theycallmerob

    A few notes:

    *both McCowns are FAs. Sign them both, cut Barkley, and PPV that battle in training camp. Epic. They’ll be this decade’s Detmers

    *why is Plaxico Burress still in the WR list? Isn’t Momah more valuable than him at this point?

    *why is everyone giving up on Laws so early?

    *Howie really blew that 2008 draft

    *good to see McDermott is no longer homeless

    • GEAGLE

      Think Chip actually likes Barkley..

      • theycallmerob

        You only have this opportunity once in a lifetime

        • GEAGLE

          Are you having your eminem moment?

          • Dominik

            You better look out, or you could lose yourself in the moment.

          • theycallmerob

            You only get one shot in the draft, Howie, do not miss your chance to blow

      • theycallmerob

        didn’t think it needed explanation, but I was mostly kidding about all of that. mostly

    • Maggie

      Howie? 2008?

  • Broadcasting Wisdom

    I’d rather have have Nate Allen than any but the top 2 on that list. These lists are so helpful because it is easy for fans to say “we need to upgrade at safety!” Well, who is available? And there are at least 15 teams who will be vying for the services of basically two high-end safeties this year. You don’t think 2 of those teams are willing to offer a ridiculous contract to those top two guys?

    • Will

      Any one but Nate Allen…period…Chris Clemons, trade Graham for a proven Safety and draft a 3rd in a later RD….Agree Byrd/Ward not realistic…if they are not franchised…

      • evanphilly

        Don’t think Graham is worth a practice squader, imo.

        • Will

          Graham wants to start he would be better in a 4-3 Defense and 16 teams run a 4-3 just a lot of trade partners…or picks…

          • Token

            But then theres the issue of Graham not being that good.

          • Will

            As 4-3 DE he’s still a great pass rusher for someone…

          • Media Mike

            Better than JPP!

          • Token

            By what standard?

          • Media Mike

            http://www.phillymag.com/birds247/2012/12/15/eagles-wake-up-call-the-grahampierre-paul-comparison/
            How about this standard. He gets to the QB when he’s on the field.

          • Media Mike

            Graham was never used properly by idiot McDermott and subsequently has generated a great level of pressure per snap played. He’s fine, but has lacked the chance to perform. Watch him wind up in Seattle and get 12 sacks next year.

          • Token

            We can go through excuses forever. But the fact is that he never demanded more snaps through his play. Hes not behind some great player. Trent Cole was pretty bad most of the year and Graham didnt convince anyone he should be played more. And Davis actually gave a fair amount of looks of a 4-3 front with their hands in the dirt.

          • Media Mike

            And you saw him get to the QB in the playoff game or were you not watching? He’s not suited to pass coverage, but he gets pressure when rushing.

          • evanphilly

            You can find 4-3 ends everywhere. Safties are hard to come by. No one will give you a proven Safety for Graham, that is what I am trying to say. Eagles may be able to get a late round draft pick for him, but that is it.

          • Media Mike

            I’d see if I could swap Graham to Cincy or Seattle for their 3rd CB or safety.

          • GEAGLE

            Cincy needs safeties…but they probably Lose MJ so they could use a DE

  • Explorer51

    Looking at that 2008 draft reference and DeSean Jackson, it prompted me to look back. If we ever wonder why we struggled the past few years, just peek at this list of drafts and exclude 2012 and 2013; go back to 2006 and start counting the players who have had any kind of impact, it’s our version of the Trail of Tears. When Joe Banner and Andy Reid moved on, it was interesting that these null and void drafts weren’t reported as a negative part of their legacy. It just makes the success of this year under Kelly that much sweeter, and his collaboration with Roseman on future drafts more exciting.

    Link: http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/phi/draft.htm

    • Will

      and Tom Gamble’s input don’t forget…

    • Broadcasting Wisdom

      It is definitely sad what happened from ’06-’11. Even sadder that we all remember those names and so easily talked ourselves into some of these picks when they were made. Every team has busts (1st round picks only hit 50% of the time, and percentage drops in each round), but we seem to have had a disproportionate amount during that stretch.

      • Explorer51

        Like almost every other NFL fan, I remember the anticipation and then watching the first day of the draft and in 2007 and 2008 watching us trade away our #1′s…in ’07 to Dallas for Chrissakes! The only reason this really matters now though is that it illustrates, very clearly, how much ground we have to make up in upcoming drafts and future FA signings.

  • GEAGLE

    being passive in this years FA would be a mistake. Right now we have a HUGE advantage over SOOO many top teams, in that we don’t have 20million dollars worth of cap space tied up into a QB…like the Niners and Seattle! we need to stack our roster and take a shot at it before we have to pay big money for a QB……spending the money isn’t an issue if you structure the contracts in a way where you can get out of it without eating dead money around the time we are going to have to pay Foles and our baby beasts

    • Will

      Agree… gonna be a very interesting off season…stock the cupboards!…

      • GEAGLE

        Unfortunately ridiculous teams like the Raiders have a ton of cap space,,,those idiots are going to pay Byrd or Ward a kings ransom that we won’t match….hopefully their isn’t another dumb team with boatloads of money out their like the raiders…

        Anyone know how old ass Cortland Finnegan has played this year?

        • cliff henny

          i’m logan running every free agent…if he’s over 27, he’s dead to me

          • Media Mike

            I wish I could double like this. Once for sound football logic, a 2nd for referencing a classic film!

          • Will

            Great point no one over 27 for me…

          • GEAGLE

            Can’t say that I agree…we have two years where we will have advantages over teams that have to tie up 20mil in cap space on a QB….I’d like to take a shot at that window we have…we are young enough at certain positions like Dline where we can afford to add a veteran that can try to help us get over the hump these next two years, as long as we can get out of the contact when it’s time to pay our young stars

    • FrenchEagles

      Like how we did in 2011? We were agressive, took a lot of great players with deals that were cap-friendly…

      • cliff henny

        think alot of this ’11 free agency is overblown. it’s really 1 guy, NNamdi. and it’s a small room of the guys that thought he was a bad signing. cullen jenkins played ok, young was a vet backup (and loudmouth) but wasnt bad signing for money. DCR, this point a throw in, kolb for 2nd looks like a steal today. the mistake was age of players. to many over 30 guys. make these guys 26, and now we’re talking. think howie figured out his mistake.

        • theycallmerob

          dont forget mathis. bust

        • GEAGLE

          Howie talked about his new philosophy the other day..

          The meat and potatoes was that if you sign two of the top guys to mega contracts and they both underperform or get hurt, you are screwed. If one pans out, you only hit 50% and improved one position
          ..
          But if you take that money and spend it on 6 mid priced guys coming out of their rookie deal who hasn’t reached stardom yet, and you have coaches who can coaches these guys up, you have better odds on improving a few spots on your team. Sign 6 guys, and 3 or 4 work out, and you will have improved your team nicely. For this to work, you have to get Stars in the draft.
          ..
          Last year Howie signed
          1) Casey
          2) Cary
          3) Brad
          4) Jason Pillips
          5) Chung
          6)’Sopoaga
          7) Barwin

          1 was lost to injury(Phillips)
          1 didn’t pan out and Howie was able to get out of the contract and convert it into a 5th round draft pick(soap)
          1 underperformed and will either be cut next month, or get cut next year after he plays a depth role in 2014(Chung)
          1 took a flier on injured Kenny Phillips! but we all knew it was a long shot signing

          The Positives..
          1)’Struck GOLD with BRAMA Bull Barwin. If all you look at is sack numbers then he sucks. But if you add his sack count to the 11 times he jumped up and batted the ball down at the line of scrimmage you are left with like 16 times a QB tried to throw the ball and Barwin single handedly shut that ish down. as impressive as that is, it dwarfs in comparison to all the versatile he brought to this defense. The dude shut down friggin Jimmy Graham! and just beat the crap out of him at the LOS.

          2) Cary..Not a star, but a guy who is good enough to start for a top defense, if he has the star talent around him (safety, pass rush)
          3) Brad…see #2
          ..
          4) James Casey. By the end of the season, he showed his value.I also think he is scratching the surface with what he will eventually be in this offense.. Will he be worth 4mil? Don’t know about that, but i don’t expect us to lose him. I can def see a restructuring tho
          ..
          That’s 4 positions Howie was able to fill adequately last offseason, and if Phillips comes back to lead our ST, it will be 5…

          Now this was 100% neccessary last year because we had so many holes! transitioning between schemes! and our locker room culture wasn’t established yet…..now we don’t have many holes. The core of the team is in place. Do we look at a position like safety, and solidify it with top quality once and for all? …or will we continue to use our money to cast a wide net! sign 8 guys as opposed to two high priced studs, and hope we hit on 4 or 5 and find a gem like Barwin in the bunch? Because we don’t have many starting holes to fill, this strategy would build depth and competition…I believe we drafted eventual stars in Lane!Mykal!Cox,Ertz. If we are just going to continue drafting stars like that, then I can live with this Quantity over KNOWN expensive High Quality approach

          • theycallmerob

            **2 lost to injury; you forgot Benn

          • mksp

            that was a technically a trade, but true in spirit.

          • GEAGLE

            Benn and Gaethers were trades…we gave up players that we would have cut for two guys who were long shot fliers…can’t hold them against Howies free agent strategy

    • cliff henny

      also, that 21m is with jax getting 12.5m, peters 10m, ryans 7m, celek 4m (these 3 have zero dead money combined FYI-i’m restructing all), avant 4m – 700k dead, casey 4m – 1m dead chung 3.5m – 1m dead and Benn is 1m with 0 dead. if Howie cant find another 15m in there somewhere, my resume is ‘I’ll work for free’. if you really want to get agressive, june 1st cole frees 5m.

      • Will

        Not a lot of wiggle room for a FA…

        • cliff henny

          not sure i understand…there’s a ton of room. between jax peters ryans and celek,10-12m right there in ripping up current contracts, giving them 3yrs with little token signing bonus and some guarenteed. these guys all want that guarenteed money. Avant is good as gone. sorry, fan of his, i want that 3m going to cooper or mac. chung is gone and benn.

          • Will

            Agree will be interesting…needs OLB, Safety, NT, CB, WR, OL maybe… will see what FA and the Draft do to improve this Defense…

          • GEAGLE

            And now that Cliff broke down our cap space, we need to talk about the safety market…
            ..
            Earl Thomas and Erik Berry will NEVER hit the open market.

            Weddle.Dashon Goldson, Grover Quinn, Cam Chancellor recently got locked into long term contracts..

            After Ward,Byrd,Whitner sign long term contracts…it’s going to be slim pickings trying to find an established Top safety..
            ..
            we are also fortunate that unlike OLB, where Orakpo has no competition so you have to seriously overpay for an OLB, there are multiple options at safety to upgrade in this years market..
            ..
            Unfortunately the raiders and their 60million in Cap space will grossly overpay for either Byrd or Ward…hopefully the one that doesn’t sign with the raiders has competing for a SB in a big market city high on his list of priorities…

            THE RAIDERS are really getting on my damn nerves…first they let Miami steal Dion, now this pathetic poor excuse of an organization is going to steal safeties I been waiting years for…

          • mksp

            man, you have to relax…..

            ward/byrd probably are not coming to the eagles. the only reason i think they even have a chance is the chip connection.

            either way, if they do or don’t, i think it will be the right decision. between chip’s knowledge of them and our new personnel department, i trust it will be the right decision.

          • GEAGLE

            Relax? You have to get off my nuts

      • GEAGLE

        I. Like your style…I like your moves…

      • theycallmerob

        I just found $25mil (see the long post I just made). Curious as to your thoughts, oh wise one

  • GEAGLE

    If we lose Maclin, what type of compensatory pick does he net us?

    • Will

      Maclin was a 2nd RD draft pick I think…great question…if we get a 2nd rd pick hope he goes…

      • GEAGLE

        We traded up in the first round to get Mac-daddy..

        I don’t remember if losing him gets us a 3rd rounder…or if compensatory picks are added by a total formula of what you lose and what you replace it with in FA not by a player by player basis, but by the totality of what you lose and what you replace it with…can’t remember

        • Will

          was Mac 19th overall? in 1st rd?

          • GEAGLE

            I think he was higher, like 16

          • Will

            looked it up 19th in 1st rd…

          • GEAGLE

            How many spots did we move up to get him?

          • Will

            from 21 to 19…

      • FrenchEagles

        We only have a compensatory pick if we sign less FA than we lose. So not even sure we get one. Then, it will depend on the contract Maclin will sign, as well as other indicators like Pro-bowl etc. But the maximal is the 3rd round pick, and I think it wouldn’t be better than a 5th… And remember, it would be in 2015.

        • Will

          Thanks…for the info…

        • GEAGLE

          So compensatory picks are awarded by the totality of what you lose in FA and what you replace it with, not a case by case basis like for example:
          1) lose Maclin! don’t sign any WR and you would get a pick decided by the contract Maclin was awarded……

          Or
          2) Add up all the players you lost, subtract all the players you added and you get what compensatory picks you are awarded..? Obviously I’m simplifying the formula, but it’s a totality of everything you lose and don’t replace in FA…as opposed to individual players that you don’t replace

  • GEAGLE

    Tim or Sheil…when you guys get a chance can you clear up the compensatory pick situation for us? Thanks

  • Media Mike

    Sean McDermott will ALWAYS be the bum who coached the 32nd red zone D and then had the nerve to try to talk up being 12th in yards allowed when asked critical questions by the media about his poor coaching performance. He sucks.

    • evanphilly

      McDermott will always be the guy who had to take over for Jim Johnson. No win scenario. Plus he had Reid drafting the D for him. So a double lose-lose in my eyes.

      • Media Mike

        Reid didn’t play Brandon Graham at DT and put Trent Cole into coverage.

        • evanphilly

          True, but when you have crap to work with, its hard to be successful.

          • Media Mike

            That is a fair point, but one should put crap in the toilet and soap on the sink ledge. Not the other way around.

    • cliff henny

      funny how much better he got when carolina gives him 8 1st and 2nd draft picks all playing at high level.

      • Media Mike

        And, to be honest, Ron Rivera runs that D.

      • GEAGLE

        Carolina really did dump sooooo many assets into that defense that they would have to be a complete joke not to be good..
        ,,,
        If you give Sean McDermott what Billy Davis had to work with, I doubt he coulda did what Billy did this year…to hold teams in today’s offense a to under 23 points for over two straight months, while running a 3-4 without a real NT and a 13 sack OLB, and LIABILITIES at safety….is just INCREDIBLE!!
        ..
        If DC’s could win coach of the year, I seriously don’t know what coach could get it over Billy….Teams transitioning between a 4-3 and 3-4 DO NOT play to the level our defense played in during it’s first year,..transitioning between those two scheme takes ATleast two years, and Billy did it with a bunch of Kids and new faces who aren’t even gelled yet.
        ..
        We are bringing back 10 starters, which means we will be a better defense just by having a year under our belt to gel, the improvement is compounded by a ton of young players who are still growing…solidify our safety position AND improve the pass rush and we will be a TOP DEFENSE next year..and if our front office continues to draft well, we will have quality young depth behind our starting top defense who will develop into eventual upgrades for some of our older guys who we move away from in the next two or three years(Cary!Meco,Brad…

  • Media Mike

    I’m glad to see Kiper giving appropriate credit to DeSean. The number of fake Eagles fans who do nothing but detract from the glory that is DeSean Jackson simply blows my mind. The guy is a matchup nightmare and truly only Larry Fitz, Megatron, and AJ Green are better than he is………and that is only due to height. He’s just scratched the surface in Kelly’s system and has never played a full off-season with Foles as his #1 QB. He’ll improve on his stats again next season.

    • evanphilly

      Get a big target on the other side of him and DJax will really shine. If Ertz continues to develop as planned, he will force the defense to use a Safety to cover him, thus giving Jackson more 1 on 1s

      • Media Mike

        Correct. Shame we weren’t able to get Alshon last year.

        • evanphilly

          I was hoping for a trade for Jefferies. I thought they could have gotten him for a 3rd or a 4th rounder.

          • Media Mike

            I think they could have taken Jeffries safely and Kendricks would have been there at the Curry pick. Oh well.

    • Wiztopher

      I think the “fake” Eagles fans look past the production of Desean and see he is the most cancerous piece to the Eagles puzzle. Hard to put a label like “fake” on a people when they look past the smaller and focus on the bigger picture of creating a healthy progressive culture in that locker room. No one can deny Desean’s talent, but the boy needs to grow up for everyone’s sake.

      • Wiztopher

        Furthermore, one can’t blame a fan base who learned dearly from the TO saga. We’re not putting up with any wide out drama.

        • Media Mike

          I 100% get that as well. I don’t anticipate DeSean making contract issues beyond his comments on the way out the door last week.

        • Maggie

          “We” are not putting up with any wide out drama?

          • Wiztopher

            “We” as a fan base. The original comment was directed to the “fake Eagles fans who detract” from Desean’s play on the field. Not sure what you’re asking or implying but us Eagles fans certainly mind when one player seems to cause rifts on the sidelines and has a “me” attitude instead of “us.”

        • Myke Lowery

          Reminds me of that new TO commercial.http://youtu.be/II1WV58-qXo

        • anon

          More like qb drama. To was a way better wide out than no. 5 was a qb. To takes us to an but Donnie doesn’t want to back his pay raise? Still annoys me.

      • Media Mike

        If you’d to call production smaller, feel free. I don’t mind a discussion about DeSean in the context of behavior, but I highly mind people knocking his stature in the league and level of production because of some of the ancillary issues. A criticism of his maturity is totally warranted, idiots claiming Maclin is a better WR or that Jackson isn’t meritorious of inclusion in the group of elite WRs in the league is my problem with people.

    • andy

      i love d jack but i would take dez bryant over him in a heart beat.

      • Media Mike

        I wouldn’t, but I’d put those two guys on par with each other.

      • Maggie

        Someone called Jackson a cancer in the locker room? Dez Bryant is selfish AND a crybaby. Jackson put his own numbers aside this year to learn how other positions work and took many blocking assignments without a murmer, so if you can’t pay attention, then keep quiet.

    • theycallmerob

      Josh Gordon, Julio Jones, and both CHI receivers are better. I’d also include Crabtree, personally

      • Media Mike

        equal, has half a foot, equal, and equal.

      • GEAGLE

        I don’t like Crabtree at all…Josh Gordon and Alshon have to do more then just have one big year, although I do believe in both…if Josh Gordon wasn’t such a dope, who we had to worry about being suspended for a year I would have been down to give up our 2nd rounder for him in a heartbeat

        I respect Gordon more then Alshon….Gordon has scab QBs throwing to him and doesn’t have Marshall eating up a ton of attention! and he still just DOMINATES

        • anon

          Gordon would have taken a first. I see why

  • Dominik

    I want McCown (the good one) if Vick is going to another team (which he will do, I think). I don’t want Barkley out there next year and I don’t think drafting a developmental QB will help, since Barkley would be our back-up then.

    McCown is a veteran player, if Barkley is ready to be the back-up 2015 that’s ok, but he looked terrible this year. Can’t happen next year. I don’t want to throw Barkley under the bus, maybe he will be an NFL QB some day. But it didn’t look like he was close at all this season.

    • Media Mike

      One needs to give Barkley a full off-season of Chip / Lazor added into a full 18 months past his busted shoulder before an accurate appraisal of his abilities will exist.

      • Dominik

        I will give him this full offseason. But you can’t know for sure if he will be ready. McCown is an insurance for that. You can never have enough good QBs.

        • Media Mike

          I’m down with that logic.

        • GEAGLE

          Personally…when I saw Barkley play this year, I didn’t see the signs I saw in FOles rookie play that led me to believe he was special….but I have a feeling that Chip Genuinly is excited about developing Barkley…
          ..
          The one thing I did like about Barkley is he let it rip…he didn’t come into the game like a flustered rookie off the bench. for the most part he was decisive and he was firing getting that ball out quick….obviously he severely miscalculated how long NFL “windows” stay open because he threw a million INTs, but that’s expected in his first real taste of NFL action…I almost prefer seeing a kid miscalculate but take shots at NFL windows because he actually believes in himself being young, dumb and full of….instead of a kid too afraid of the moment to let it rip…..so ii can see how Chip might like Barkley..

          I never liked the kid, but I wouldn’t be shocked to see Lazor and Chip turn him into a decent QB…his ceiling probably isn’t that high, but all it takes is one good game by Barkley and everyone will drool over him like Kirk Cousins…
          ,,,
          The good part about Barkley is he has a pedigree! and that’s RARE when drafting a 4th rounder..to us the pedigree won’t matter, but when other teams see him play well, it’s easier for them to “buy it” because the kid has a pedigree, then when you see an unheralded kid like Foles throw 7TDs and everyone is left scratching their heads…it’s easier to believe Barkley when he plays well because of his pedigree, so all Chip has to do is get a few good performances out of Barkley and we can get value for him

          • GEAGLE

            Btw, props to Trent Dilfer for being the only one to think Nick FOles was a first rounder….you ask Trent about FOles and he will tell you SUPERBOWLS are in our future,,,for whatever that’s worth…

      • Token

        Are they able to attach a new arm to his shoulder in the offseason?

        • Will

          LMAO maybe he needs glasses…lol…

          • cliff henny

            think he sees fine, just might be color blind

        • Media Mike

          You realize his arm strength was significantly improved from mini-camp, through training camp, through the regular season?

          • Will

            Agree with Dominik need someone else in camp for back up QB..

          • Media Mike

            I’d agree on needing a vet as well, but I think Barkley is an incredible talent who would have been the #2 QB taken in 2012. There is a lot of value there. Certainly more than that often injured, Subway eating, scrambling, coach killing, undedicated BUM in DC.

          • Dominik

            I have no problem with keeping Barkley. He’s our developmental QB, we don’t need another one. We have him signed for 3 more years, I would sign McCown this year, let him battle with Barkley for the back-up spot and see where Barkley is 2015. He could be the back-up then.

          • Media Mike

            I’m with that!

          • GEAGLE

            Depends what Chip thinks of Barkley….I have a feeling Chip is going to want to just keep stockpiling young QBs in the draft, develop them and flip them for more then we paid for them…Signing a vet means he can’t draft a QB this year….
            ..
            I think it will be really telling, what Chip thinks of Barkley by what we do in FA…Chip Knows we have to have two QBs that can play at all times…If Chip has a veteran next year as his number two then Barkley probably isn’t as close as Chip likes…

            But if FOles gets hurt, and Chip thinks he can get away with playing Barkley this year! we won’t sign a veteran QB, and we will draft another QB which I think is what’s ideal of Chip….How Barkley has developed since we last saw him wil probably determine if we sign a veteran or not..

            Obviously we will sign a vet because we need camp QBs, but I’m talking about signing a vet that will actually make the team and be #2 this year…..

          • Dominik

            There is some logic to that, no doubt. Chip sees Barkley all the time. And of course I trust him.

            But, personally, I wouldn’t have a good feeling if Barkley is our back-up and Foles goes down. I don’t know if Barkley is ready for the NFL, he sure didn’t look like ready last season. And that’s not saying that Barkley hasn’t got any NFL talent, maybe he just needs more time developing.

          • GEAGLE

            I don’t blame you…heck how could any of us feel confident with Barkley coming in for FOles….but it’s not totally out of the realm of possibility that Chip likes how he has progressed, and expects a significant second year improvement…we don’t get to see Barkley, so we just have to trust that our coach knows what he is doiñg and won’t ever go into a season without a backup he trusts to play if the starter goes down,,,If Barkley can’t be counted on next year Chip won’t draft a QB and we will probably spend some cash on a backup

          • Maggie

            With all the other needs on this team I don’t think the Eagles are going to worry about drafting a QB immediately. Safety, pass rusher, whether Dline or LB, wide receiver, back ups for corner and O line, first. Oh, and reliable licker.

          • Will

            reliable licker or Kicker subliminal thinking…lol…

          • Token

            no, it really wasnt. Thats just what his fans want to believe. I see below you are a believer in the “He woulda been a #2 pick a year before” theory.

            Yea, maybe in mock drafts. You dont drop from the 2nd QB taken to the 4th round if teams liked you that much a year earlier. People act like he had a disaster of a last college season. No, its just that teams didnt think he had a NFL capable arm.

          • Media Mike

            Because his shoulder was injured.

          • Will

            Arm strength is the question and was he fully healed…can he get a stronger arm…that’s the big question and you can’t just pencil him at #2 with that kind of doubt…

          • Media Mike

            I wouldn’t pencil him in at #2 because you should always have a vet backup in the mix with a young starter, but some people are brutalizing the guy with unfounded criticism and a complete and total understand of context.

          • Maggie

            Not too sure about that. There are many cases where draft picks dropped, were finally picked and went on to excellent careers. At least half of any draft is a crapshoot.

    • Will

      Couldn’t agree any more…Chip did say he was looking forward to working with Barkley this off season for what it’s worth…

      • Dominik

        I read that, too. And I have no problem with that.

        But you can’t sign a guy like McCown at the end of camp. If Barkley shows he’s not ready YET (I’m not speaking about the future, just next season) we’re screwed. You can’t have a turnover machine as back-up QB.

        • Will

          Agree if Vick Walks gonna need someone…other than Barkley…

  • Media Mike

    http://www.eaglescap.com/current.html
    For anybody who’d like to take a look at 2014 numbers. We have a ton of room AND we can create more by cutting the salaries of underperformers like Herremans and Cole.

    • Will

      nice…after we sign our FA if any and cut ties with under performers…gonna be a shake up can’t wait to see what they do…

      • Media Mike

        We are WAY ahead of bad cap numbers for at least two more years. The elephant in the room is what type of deal Foles gets and when. Considering the Cutler / Romo / Stafford level deal is $18 mil / year average; we’ll need to draft REALLY well this year again.

        • cliff henny

          kaps is the one you have to look at. those were under old cba. kap is only playing for 700k in ’14 which then could franchise for 2 yrs. different rules is all. hoping closer to 15m. but kelly is quoted as to thinking signing non guarenteed franchise guys, romo’s bradfords cutlers of world to 100m contracts is insane. he really thinks he can make qbs with his system. might have changed his mind about that since coming to nfl, but good negotiating tactic/stance.

          • Media Mike

            I look at Kaep for nothing except bad body art, disrespect of his own fans via wearing gear from other NFL teams, and poor quarterbacking.

          • Maggie

            Of course, quarterbacking your team to the Super Bowl means nothing. Oh, and going into the second round of playoffs (so far) the next year means nothing. Get real. Although I can’t stand those hideous tattoos either.

          • Media Mike

            They are a run first football team who got into the Superbowl because of non-called PI penalties on 3rd and 4th down vs. Atlanta in the NFC title game and needed a dubiously arranged power outage to avoid getting blown out in the Superbowl. Kaep is severely limited as a passer.

          • GEAGLE

            Doubt kAp would be leading the Rams to the playoffs (and the rams have talent)..passing needs serious work, but it’s ahead of RG3 that’s for sure

        • evanphilly

          Depends on what Foles does in year 2 if this system. IF he continues his high play and leads the Eagles deeper into the playoffs, then he should get paid. If he takes a step back (which could happen and the debate ever rages on) then he should still get paid, but not as much. And can’t say Cole really under-performed. Thought he played very well in a new system. But if there are better options out there (Orakpo, Orakpo, Orakpo) then adios amigo.

          • GEAGLE

            Orakpo has NO competition on the market. He is the only good OLB available which means he will get INSANE MONEY!…we can forget about him

          • evanphilly

            Maybe, but we shall see. The Eagles are a destination again. Look how fresh this team was at the end of the season. Players notice this stuff. Eagles may be able to get a player or two cheaper than normal.

          • GEAGLE

            Dude there are dumb teams running around like the raiders with 60million in Cap space…they will overpay for a few big names….
            ..
            I’m expecting Orakpo and one of the top safeties to be raiders..look at the Contract Kurger signed last year..it’s a lot of money!!! But we will see

    • cliff henny

      you ever goto overthecap.com? they have salary manager for ’14. only issue is when you june 1st for ’14 it doesnt roll the portion over to ’15. can restucture and sign FA.

      • Media Mike

        That would be fun to do. I don’t believe they really need to restructure anybody at this point due to how much they’re under the cap for ’14. I think a restructure of DeSean and Shady at the same time they’re doing the new Foles deal going into 2015 would be the best time.

        • cliff henny

          jax, peters celek and ryans all need reworked. can find 10-12m right there. toss some signing bonus and guarneteed money at them, they’ll take a haircut, or at least lower cap numbers

          • Media Mike

            Peters is VERY tricky due to his age vs. his skill. He’s the best LT in football, but not the youngest dude ever. That deal needs to have HUGE salaries with smaller guarantees. I don’t mind paying him the highest LT salary in the league, but I don’t want a penny of dead money when we hit the point where his play falls off.

          • cliff henny

            worst case he moves to guard. worst case…and peters aint playing around. as johnny g said above, the dancing bear wants hardware!

          • Media Mike

            Or, as Peters starts to fall off, we swap him and Lane from LT to RT.

          • cliff henny

            not sure side matters as much anymore. DCs move rushers around. used to happen more often, maybe guys just make too much and dont want agrivation at end of career to learn new position, but think peters would be awesome guard even if he loses a step to paly tackle.

          • theycallmerob

            Here’s my dream OL for next year;

            LJ-Mathis-Kelce-Peters-Moses

            alternative would be Peters-Mathis-Kelce-Barbre-LJ (for one more year before Peters is up and LJ moves over). Moses can sit and learn for a year, though I’d rather he play. Draft a G later in the draft, I trust Stoutland to uncover a gem

          • Media Mike

            I’m hoping Peters continues his status as best LT in the NFL for a tad longer, but I agree that Stoutland is going to be coaching up all kinds of dudes into top notch players.

          • GEAGLE

            Ideal line:
            1) Lane!Cyril,Kelce,Mathis!JP

            2) Lane,Todd,Kelce,Mathis,JP…which is the line we will see. Continuity matters, and individually Everyone but Mathis should improve(young player and the 3 guys being two year removed from injuries)

          • theycallmerob

            man, you’re quite the homer, as am I, but Peters is no longer the best LT in football

          • Media Mike

            He made the all-pro team and he blocks better than Joe Thomas the other all-pro tackle.

          • theycallmerob

            I don’t count that as an end-all-be-all, but I guess that’s an adequate defense. There are plenty of far younger tackles I’d take in a heartbeat. For me, it’s more age-related

          • Media Mike

            Under the Not For Long philosophy in the NFL, I hear you on the age end of things. I just really enjoy watching Peters and Mathis murder people in the run game.

          • GEAGLE

            I would wait to see his second year back from injury before making that statement

          • theycallmerob

            not at all. he’ll be another year older, and guys like Kalil will have another year exp. under their belt.

          • GEAGLE

            I friggin LOVE how peters just turned down the probowl invite, That dude ain’t playing for ANYTHING other then hunting Lombardi Trophys.,,love that he won’t risk his body in a probowl

    • Wiztopher

      Whoa now, under performers? Considering Herremans was part of a solid O line all year and Cole switched roles on defense whilst putting up respectable numbers (nothing eye popping) I’d say it wasn’t underperforming but performing decently.

      • Media Mike

        Peep Cole’s salary for 2014. Do the same with Herremans. Is that an equitable salary for a OLB who totally disappeared in a playoff game vs. a nobody rookie and a RG who frequently was overpowered?

        • GEAGLE

          The rookie OLB we draft will probably need to put on weight and be brought along slowly as a rookie..thus Cole has to be here for one more year..

          I wouldn’t cut any of them, but I’d def try to restructure all of them…Herremans should be better this year. We forget he was transitioning between positions and coming off an injury. We also forget that Herremans was the one who how he returned was questioned the most because the others got over their injury much sooner then Herremans who’s injury was still hindering him in the spring! while JP was literally running hurdles in march..

          Herremans play should also improve just by the guy next to him, Lane, improving…
          ….
          I really do believe that if none of these guys miss time getting injured, they will be much better next year…but if we were to draft a Olinemen high, I would want it to be someone to Challenge Todd…
          ..,
          Cyril Richardson IMO is the best OG in the draft and it’s not even close…curious to see how he compares to Jonathon Coopers combine who was number 3 on my wish list behind Dion and Lane…Cyril would be such a stud for this offense, the problem is if we want him, it’s going to require our first round pick…and I’m not ok with taking a G in round 1….maybe if we traded back to like 29 from 22 and got an extra pick and then drafted Cyril at the end of round 1 I would be ok with it….but we can’t be taking the kid at 22, and he just isn’t going to fall to us in round two…he won’t make it past the Bills in round two who are still looking for Levitre’s replacement…the Bills would jump at the draft to get this athletic Monster in round two…..

          Wish we could trade for Kyle long!! Hoping the bears are a mess these next few years, and that Kyle refuses to sign Longterm with them…..wishful thinking, I Know….but anyone who heard his conference call the week we played the Bears knows he would run back to Chip in a heartbeat if he could

          • Media Mike

            I don’t want a restructure on those guys because I don’t want to add future dead money to guys that we might wind up cutting.

          • GEAGLE

            You can always give them a bigger Bonus and reachable incentives to get the cap and dead money figures down…no?

          • Media Mike

            No, if you convert any of this year’s salary to a signing bonus, that new signing bonus money gets prorated into future years. If you change money to a roster bonus, it stays on this year’s cap.

          • GEAGLE

            There is no way for a cap wizard like Howie to let guys get their money while protecting the cap figure and dead money attached to the year when we will most likely cut them? Give it to em up front? The back end? Easily reached Incentives?
            ..
            I’m not good with the Cap, I never had to worry about it..even when we were drafting and signing crappy players, eagles always had money, so i never had to care about it

          • Media Mike

            One trick you can do with guys you want to keep, but at a lower salary, is to cut their salary but pay the whole thing up front on March 1st as a roster bonus. It gets the guy all of his money, even if you cut him before the season starts, but reduces his cap figure.

        • Wiztopher

          All great points fellas, but remember, Cole was the only true pass rusher on that defensive front. Most great defenses tout at least two pass rushers. Cole could provide depth at olb in the very least on a defense deprived of pass rushers. I dunno what’s up with Grahm and Curry but I’m sure it has something to do with their run stopping game…

          • Media Mike

            I’m down with Cole as a backup to a more legit OLB, but his salary needs to be reduced.

        • GEAGLE

          I’m way more confident about Herremans being better next year, then I am about Cole. Now, I don’t want to over react to the saints loss because we would have to replace most ofthe team lol….and way before Cole started getting Sacks he was still getting pressure, while also being STOUT against the run…
          ….
          Both Cole and Todd had to go thru position and scheme transitions this year which takes more time then us fans would like…it’s encouraging that both really improved as the season went on, but as an OLB Cole will always be limited with those stiff hips…I can count on Todd continuing to improve on this years play, while Trent will ALWAYS have his limitations as an OLB..I believe the sports science so I don’t expect Coles play to drastically fall off next year..
          ..
          The OLB we draft probably shouldn’t start at the most important position of a 3-4 day one as a rookie…and if you want to draft OLBs that are serious athletes with high upside, most of them need to put on weight their rookie year..so Cole will still be important next year to our run defense which he is one of the best at setting the edge..and having him let’s us bring our rookie along slowly, let him start out as a Nickle pass rusher…
          ….
          But I really believe we haven’t seen the best of Herremans and this Oline yet…pray we stay healthy and they will have a big year

        • theycallmerob

          Herremans is still playing under the contract he signed as a T, not a G. He needs a salary haircut

          • Media Mike

            Correct. Too rich for a guard of his status.

      • Will

        Cole got 8 sacks…He is not a true OLB which the Eagles need…Cole got no pressure on New Orleans against a Rookie starting in his 3rd game…that’s under performing…

        • Media Mike

          Brilliant! You sir, deserve a Guinness!

    • NickS1

      You only save 2.4 mil by cutting each, 1.8 from Cole, 600k from Herremans. Not exactly a ton of savings. Wait a year, then they’ll both likely be gone or under reduced salaries.

      • Media Mike

        Not cutting them from the team (thus dead creating money), demanding pay reductions from them.

        • NickS1

          You go reworking too many deals when you already have 20m in cap space you set a terrible precedent for other free agents coming in as well as the guys who will be due for deals coming up. Both of these guys deals 2/3 years ago. Sure, I’d love more talent at each position, but neither kill you. Have to deal with both in ’14, have a sit down after the season.

          • Media Mike

            You totally need to sit down with those guys after ’14 because they both have escalations in salary due and have significantly less dead money if cut. Cutting Herremans after 2014 would net $2.8 million for the 2015 cap and cutting Cole would net $8.25 million.

          • NickS1

            Exactly.

          • Tom W

            Good point about bad precedent setting. At some point a team to lives up to their deal unless someone really really plays poorly. Herramins and Cole may not have played outstanding, but they weren’t poor either.

          • Maggie

            Give the man 10 up votes. According to some of the people posting on here, every player on the team should have deal reworked to pay them less. Not only bad precedent, but you would end up with NOBODY wanting to come here. NOBODY playing to the best of their ability. These are real human beings, not Madden games. They only have a limited number of years in their careers. And the ludicrous suggestion above that the league’s leading rusher should be restructured???

          • theycallmerob

            who said restructure McCoy? no one.
            Everyone, including DJax, knew last year was essentially a contract year. This is the NFL, not the hugs-and-kisses league. Pretty much everyone here is agreeing on the same 3 players getting restructured- DJax, Peters, Ryans. If Celek stays, he’s likely the 4th. Nothing ludicrous about this at all.
            And players won’t be scared by that at all. Up-and-coming team, very young, great cap room, coach and QB figured out. No one is scared away from that. If they were all sissies about that, Jerrah would never sign a FA in his life.

  • Wiztopher

    I heard Jaws mention Chip could go offense heavy again in this year’s draft and it certainly would not surprise me. The man’s got a serious itch to scratch with the offensive side of the ball. I wouldn’t mind another stud Guard to groom to protect Foles along with another threat at WO across from Desean.

    • Isaac

      That would make sense, except for all the oxygen used at Nova Care to tell the fan base how BPA is the only way to draft.

  • TNA

    In regards to draft and FA discussions, another thing to consider is next year’s schedule. The schedule includes a lot of great teams outside of the 6 games vs NFC east teams. Sea, SF, Car, GB, Ind, Stl, Ten…all those teams will give Phi a run for its money. The eagles will need to keep pace with those teams this offseason in terms of short term players and balance those acquisitions with longer term program development players. Next yr is going to be quite a challenge.

    • Media Mike

      I don’t think you can worry about that just yet. I totally hear what you’re saying, but we have no way of knowing how much worse those teams will get due to losing free agents of their own. Win your own division first, then go from there.

    • Will

      No Doubt the schedule will be harder…

    • GEAGLE

      Would you be able to tell me which of those teams are road games?

    • theycallmerob

      stop with this already. just stop. NO ONE knows who will be good or bad next year. We saw what happened to GB without Rodgers, same goes for the first 4 teams on that list. STL has no QB yet, and TEN doesn’t have a real one.

      I’m dishing automatic downvotes for any talk of next year’s schedule difficulty. It’s ridiculous

      • Will

        Agree you don’t no how much reshuffling of player’s in the off season changes team’s make up…very valid point Rob…

      • Maggie

        And Rodgers couldn’t quite save the Packers without better receivers.

      • Isaac

        Pencil in Philadelphia for the SB. It’s a lock

      • Andy124

        I’m talking next year’s schedule difficulty. The schedule looks brutal…

        For Was, Dal and NYG who have to play us twice each.

      • TNA

        I don’t think it’s all that ridiculous. But the intent here wasn’t just to predict wins and losses. It was matching personnel with other teams’ personnel as well as possible. Like in any corporate market, a team’s talent level is relative. I was just trying to point out that the eagles May factor in who they’re facing next yr when considering personnel decisions.

  • Will

    I wonder how long it takes Chip/Howie to do player evaluations and start making moves for next year….curious who on this roster they cut ties with….Foles will improve but still need changes to be one of the top 3-5 team in the NFL. Sure Chip learned a lot from that loss to NO…

    • Media Mike

      Those are already done. The Eagles employ a cast of thousands. I bet those conversations 100% took place this week. This group, from the GM all the way down to the ball boys, is very calculated.

    • Will

      The Eagles WR’s had trouble beating man coverage so I wonder if they don’t end up dropping both Avant and Maclin and bring someone else to pair with DJax….Cooper seems to be Foles favorite target…

      • Media Mike

        The WR group next year is going to be very interesting. There is a strong possibility that Jackson is the only guy back.

        • Will

          You don’t think Cooper did enough to warrant coming back?

          • Media Mike

            Depends on the salary, no?

          • Will

            http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/13225/riley-cooper

            Don’t like he barley caught over 50% of targets his way..too important a spot…Cooper not getting great $ with those stats…

          • Will

            Could see Eagles go WR with that #22 pick ….like Sammy Watkins from Clemson for the slot WR spot…or Jared Abbrederis…on the outside…

          • Dan

            How the hell is Sammy Watkins, widely believed to be the top wide receiver in the draft and looks like a surefire top-10 pick, going to go to the Eagles at 22? On top of that, who the hell would pick Sammy Watkins to be a slot receiver instead of an outside guy?

          • Tom W

            Sammy will be gone but very likely we grab one of three wrs in round 1 — Adams, Lee, or Benjamin

            Wrs is about 12 deep in top 100 talent — could snag 2 in first 3 rounds and a pass rusher. Martavius Bryant would be nice in rd 3.

          • Will

            What do you think they do about the open Safety spots?

          • Tom W

            Based on what Howie did last year and what he said recently about not being the 2011 eagles and not being a player away, we sign one good veteran safety, cut chunger, draft another safety in rds 3-5, and wait for the market to play out and sign another younger veteran (who could be allen or not).

            I would be all for signing Byrd or ward but I don’t think we will because the free agent market overall is so weak and there is some really bad teams with alotta cash.

          • GEAGLE

            The only way Chung is getting Cut, is if we plan on bringing back, Allen,Coleman or Colt….NO WAY our FO is having to worry about getting 4 new safeties in one offseason…heck! we can’t even get 1 good safety and people want 4? WTF…

            If Colt,Nate,Coleman all walk, Chung will have to stay for a year and play ST, then get replaced next year

          • Maggie

            Why are people on this board so eager to bring in new, new, new! Especially since the knowledgeable insiders are looking at a much broader picture, like what do we have, what can we reasonably expect to get, from where, how much money, are all of the new, new, new! guys reliable? And of course, locker room chemistry. And coaches’ schemes probably most important of all.

          • anon

            Aside from cooper the backend of our we corps needs to be overhauled

          • Andy124

            Because the grass is ALWAYS midnight greener on the other side. :)

          • GEAGLE

            Fans are insane

          • Wiztopher

            Cooper is the WO version of Foles: the guy tore it up and yet still has doubters

          • Media Mike

            I don’t doubt Cooper at all, I just don’t like him beyond about $4 mil / year.

          • GEAGLE

            It takes an INCREDIBLE amount of Trust and Chemistry for a QB and WR to complete the TD pass Coop had against the saints. In that situation, I doubt FOles would have thrown that pass to anyone else….coop was dragging across the back of the ENDZONE thru all types of traffic, then he just stops, jumps straight up in the air and Nick delivered the Laser…
            ..
            You don’t take a young developing QBs most trusted target away over 4-5mil..If we ran the broncos offense, I could understand letting Coop walk, but we run the friggin ball like 50% of the time and in terms of blocking WRs coop is prob in the top 5% of the leagues best. you aren’t going to find a better blocking WR. Coop is as good as it gets..so as a Number 2 WR, in THIS OFFENSE, Coop is an Elite WR 50% of the time…and the other 50% of the time where we pass! he BATTLED as a WR having a BEASTMODE type WR year..
            .
            Look at his stats in this offense…and then imagine what the hell his numbers would look like if he didn’t spend 5 games ignored by Vick who never gave him any chances to go up and battle for balls..FOles and coop only been together two years! they are both still growing and it’s only going to get better. I wouldn’t keep Coop at all costs, I wouldn’t give him 7mil or anything crazy like that…I’d give him a fair 4.5 Mil, and load his contract up with incentives…if he is going to continue producing like a beast for us, why should we not pay him?
            ,,,
            If he wants to continue Beasting like 10TDs a year, and being at the top of league in yards per catch, then we should be happy to pay him…I really don’t expect this Cooper situation to be an issue..I was told our WR coach adores him, our HC loves him, he is our young QBs favorite target and I think we are worrying about nothing. Can’t replace a million positions in one offseason, not would I want to because continuity is important for a young playoff team that’s still growing and gelling
            ..
            My ideal WR corp next year would be:
            1) Desean
            2) Cooper
            3) Kelvin Benjamin
            4) Brandin Cook
            5) Avant(pay cut, keep him one more year to teach our high draft picks to be pro’s
            6) high reward, knee problem: Maclin or Danario Alexander

            Celek
            Casey
            Ertz
            Colt Lyeria

            Then after next season we replace Avant with more blazing youth..and if our Knee problem flier Mac/Danario didn’t work out! we have another WR to replace
            ….
            WRs need time transitioning from college to the NFL..we were a playoff team who’s young core will remain intact, so I expect to be contenders next year, so the last thing I want is to draft WRs and thrust them into major roles from day one,,,everyone loves them some Kelvin Benjamin. Screw Coop, let’s just go get Benjamin lol(sarcasm)..when in reality. Kelvin is RAW as SUSHI for a college WR. Seasoned college WR need time to adjusting to the NFL, yet people want t just thrust a raw kid like him into the lineup from day one?

          • Richard Colton

            so you’re drafting WR in round one? I’m not sure how we get him otherwise. I’m coming along to you/Rob/Sheil’s way of thinking on the Maclin thing, I figured the knee would scare teams off. Looking at the list, he’s still a top name.
            Think of the two – we keep Coop, and look WR somewhere in rounds 1-4.

          • GEAGLE

            No, because I think Barr will fall to 15-18 range…but that would be my Ideal WR corp…I didn’t intend it to be rational which is why I listed two WRs who will both prob be first round picks..but depending on how the draft were to unfold, I wouldn’t mind Benjamin that’s for sure..

            I keep forgetting we have Brad smith
            ..
            We run the ball 50% of the time! which means Riley is an Elite WR 50% of the time lol…If he keeps spending the other 50% of the time at the top of the league in yards per catch and Beasting his way to 10Tds per year(if FOles started all year Riley would have like 13TDs and we would be screwed lol) I’m not exactly sure what more people want…

            We can pay Riley and Desean if we are just going to draft a bunch of WR because they will be playing on rookie deals for the next 4-5 years…Hopefully one or two emerge into superstars in 3 years when they are eligible for extensions, by then we will be moving away from Desean and Riley….

            If we wanted to sign a bunch of FA WR, I could understand not wanting to pay Riley,..but all fans talk about is drafting a bunch of WRs, and if you are just going to pay 3 guys on rookie deals, then why are people so worried about paying Coop? Id give him 5 Mil, a nice signing bonus and incentives that would net him an extra 3mil..

          • Richard Colton

            think we can steal DAT in round four. seriously. what have the last two RBs out of Oregon done in the pros? Zip so far. Think that plus the injuries will scare teams away.

        • Wiztopher

          100% wrong. Who cuts/ doesnt resign all their WOs but one especially when you’re in the first year of a newly installed offense that broke countless franchise records

          • Media Mike

            If you consider the growth of Ertz, they might be in 12 a lot more next year than they were this year. I’d much rather see this team in 12 anyway.

          • Wiztopher

            It’s possible, but Kelly prefers 11. Why would he put a non productive Avant out there for tons of snaps when he’s not producing? He prefers 11 I think.

          • Media Mike

            That could have been a function of Ertz learning as the season wen on.

          • GEAGLE

            Celek will be back, and I’m glad, but I would like to see more 12 with Ertz and Casey…Casey is on par with Celeks blocking, but he is a faster, more agile WR then Brent…even before Casey started getting some snaps at the end of the year, I always argued with people that his role would expand in this offense, and I’m expecting that to continue next season. I do not believe we have seen the best we will see from him in this offense yet.

          • anon

            No way. Casey can block but if he could run routes and catch he’d be running routes and catching

          • GEAGLE

            Have you ever used your eyes to watch him play before he got to Philly? I can’t see the answer being YES after making that statement

          • Wiztopher

            I can see avant not making it along with Benn (who?) but Chip has got to like Cooper on the WO corps. Cooper will get a better deal elsewhere tho, Bravo

          • GEAGLE

            Our WR coach adores Coop…I think Coop and the eagles will work it out! I think Avant is back at a cheaper rate…Damaris and Maehl will both be upgraded..

            The only real question I personally have is Maclin…
            ..
            If we cut Benn, then I would like to take a flier on another big boy with Knee problems, Danario Alexander..big fast, would help Desean stretch the field, which creates more room for Chip to isolate mismatches

          • GEAGLE

            Yeah people are nuts…according to fans we need:
            4 safeties
            4 WRs
            3 CBs
            NT
            Demeco’s eventual replacement
            And an impact pass rush OLB lol

            NEWS FLASH: We won’t even get half of that!

            Next years opening day roster will have about 10-13 new faces total(FA and draft)…we aren’t signing any 50million dollar players, and CONTINUITY MATTERS!
            ..
            People need to worry about replacing Maehl and Damaris, before they start cutting Avant…he ain’t getting his 3mil that’s for sure…fortunately for us, no one else will pay him that money, so there is prob a good chance his accepts a restructured contract for less

      • Isaac

        So keep the guys who couldn’t beat man coverage more than any other receivers on the roster?

    • Maggie

      I would imagine that the FO never really stops doing player evaluation, whether Eagles, other pros or university.

  • Will

    http://walterfootball.com/freeagents2014S.php

    Here a list of Safeties and a mini scouting report…lists Nate Allen at #17 which I think is more accurate than 8th…

    • Media Mike
      • Will

        No doubt this should be addressed in the Draft too…FA market 1 would be nice…but we know 3 million what they payed per year for Chung is most likely our limit to pay so who knows who’s in that range in FA…maybe Donte Whitner…10-12 million over 3 years would be reasonable…Ward would be idea but more than likey Banner franchises him, Byrd will want top $…unless he wants to play here for Chip and does a discount…one can hope…lol..

        • Media Mike

          It is a really bad list after those top two guys. Considering how poor safety play is in the NFL, I’d be shocked if Ward and Byrd weren’t the two highest paid safeties in the NFL in short order.

          • GEAGLE

            They def will be the highest paid safeties…too many dumb teams like the raiders will have too much money..

        • GEAGLE

          I’d def take Whitner for 3 years…dude drastically improved his coverage. Watch him in coverage this weekend

          • Will

            has his issues on the field but durable, hard hitting and can cover but is 5’10″ 208…missed 1 game last 4 yrs. if they can’t land Byrd this is who I think they Target…

        • Tom W

          Clemons I think is more likely ….. bit younger less of a name and better is coverage. Stevie Brown is also someone Howie could be interested .. young and maybe a bargain.

          Dont trust Walter Football at all .. Interesting to see where Nate falls for profootballfocus after 2013 … we all know he was much better this year (not saying Much i know)

      • GEAGLE

        I really would love Calvin Pryor or Dix

      • GreenScabs

        Antoine Bethea is a beast! age is an issue at 29, but some players just know how to play, and he has the instincts. I would be ecstatic if we signed him to a 3 or 4 year deal.

  • theycallmerob

    Kickers

    1. Steven Hauschka
    2. Phil Dawson
    3. Adam Vinatieri
    4. Josh Brown
    5. Jay Feely
    6. Dan Carpenter
    7. Graham Gano
    8. Billy Cundiff
    9. Shayne Graham
    10. Rian Lindell
    11. Nick Folk
    12. David Akers

    • Will

      Yeah Really that’s got to get done Henry gotta go…lol…bring Akers back or Adam Vinatieri dude has ice water in his veins…you forgot to put Henry on the now available list..lol…

      • GEAGLE

        I don’t think Henery I getting cut right now. If he isn’t out kicker next year, I expect it to be because he lost a camp competition

    • NickS1

      No Hartley?

    • Mitchell

      Not Cundiff lol.

    • Media Mike

      33. Akers. Choke artist cry baby.

    • Will

      could they draft one/ Any good ones in the college ranks… Chandler Catanzaro, K, Clemson…

    • Will

      This is one position I see a new body in for sure…too many games decided by a FG in this league, if you can win field position battle and the Offense struggles at least coming away with 3 points is critical…I like a guy who can nail a 55 yarder with no problems…48 was trouble for Henry…

      • Media Mike

        Especially considering that 24+3 > 26.

        • Wiztopher

          There were plenty of reasons why we lost to the Saints, but in my eyes Henerey is flat out the biggest. Obvi, the missed first half FG. One would think Kelly told him to kick the ball as far into the end zone as possible on that game clinching Saint’s drive, but no, Turkey Neck couldn’t even do that. And you have to wonder why Kelly didn’t pull the plug on him after that Vikings game. I mean, there’s plenty of FA kickers out there who can at least kick the ball deep into the end zone, right? Why even draft a kicker at all? I’d say wait til they’re proven in the NFL then snatch em up in free agency. Yet again another Reid “goof” in drafting Henerey that was perpetuated by Chip. Love Chip, man crush status, but dude, cut the kicker for eff’s sake!

    • Will

      Dan Bailey (RFA), K, Cowboys. Age: 26.
      Dan Bailey is arguably the top kicker in the NFL. He’s 89-of-98 throughout his 3-year career. He was 6-of-7 from 50-plus in 2013. from http://walterfootball.com/freeagents2014KP.php

      • Media Mike

        Touchbacks?

        • Will

          looks like Zero…good point…

          • Media Mike

            Yeah, on top of our loser kicker being unreliable from 45+, his lack of touchbacks have been a major issue. We need a guy who can drill long FGs and kick touchbacks. Like Akers before he got greedy and unfocused.

          • Maggie

            David Akers was the best, until his daughter contracted cancer and lovely Andy Reid trashed him publicly. I despised Reid from that moment on.

          • Media Mike

            Not even close to the truth. Akers was causing massive problems with the team (and Reid) all season long over a contract extension he demanded because he stupidly lost missions in a Ponzi scheme and tried to compel the Eagles to give him a ton of money for no reason. Akers is a lying scumbag.

        • Will

          looks like Zero good point…

        • Will

          http://www.sportingcharts.com/nfl/stats/kickoff-return-yards/2013/

          here’s the results this last season with all NFL kickers…

          • Media Mike

            Wow, Alex Henery sucks at life. He’s damn near 30 touchbacks lower than the non-Denver leader.

        • Will

          52 touch backs for Dan B….

      • Media Mike

        And careful with signing kickers from Dallas

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Boniol

        • Will

          Forgot about him…inconsistent as hell…

          • Media Mike

            Upsetting because he came with the rep of ” the most accurate kicker in the history of the NFL”, but was a hooker.

          • Will

            The NFL game today almost demands you have a great kicker sure Chip figured that much out…

          • Media Mike

            And Danny Smith was the special teams coach here at the time. I hate seeing people give the pile of human trash any credit for his work as a special teams coach; because his special teams here sucked and Harbaugh massively improved our Spec Teams as soon as he took over them.

          • Will

            yup Harbaugh is a great coach…

          • Media Mike

            And Danny Smith is not. It blows my mind how people in the national media call him a good coach with ZERO knowledge about how badly he sucked at his job here.

          • ICDogg

            He blew at least 2 games for us, one against Dallas, I think another against San Diego. And he blew a game for us against Baltimore which ended in a tie.

      • Isaac

        Roseman blew it with Henery. That’s Roseman’s pick in the 4th Rd of 2011 from Nebraska. Bailey was down the road at Oklahoma State, and a free agent too.

    • Will

      Graham Gano had the most Touch backs of 63…24/27 FG made long 55yards…

    • Will

      Graham Gano, K, Panthers. Age: 27.
      Graham Gano is coming off his best year. He finished 24-of-27, including a perfect 6-of-6 from 50-plus.

      Strong leg…http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/carolina-panthers/graham-gano/

      I go after this guy…63 touch backs highest in NFL this year…

      • Isaac

        Gano was a 75% FG kick before this year.

    • Will

      So if the Eagles go get Graham Gano Kicker, and Donte Whitner SS that would be two great FA signings without breaking the bank…fill everything else in the draft…

      • anon

        Prefer Nick Folk, widely underrated.

  • theycallmerob

    Let’s play with the cap! Feel free to provide your input; this is just a template I’m going with. My resume includes years and years of being at least $60 million under the cap on Madden.

    **starting with 51 players under contract, and $20mil in cap space
    QB: none (some cap room may go to a vet as a backup. other option is draft)
    RB: none (McCoy deserves every penny, Brown and Polk together are just over $1mil against cap)
    WR: restructure DJax, I’ll estimate cap savings of $4mil. Cut Avant (love him, but…), saving $3.2mil Cut DJ2, Benn, and Maehl for savings of
    $2.1mil. That saves a little over $9mil, leaving only DJax and Brad Smith under contract
    TE: If they cut Celek, itsaves $4mil. For my purposes, I’m cutting him; I think Casey can fill that role fine. Iggy is also on the books for 500K. So tight ends could save us $4.5mil
    OL: restructure Peters, go from $10mil cap hit to 7 or 8 (I’ll say 8). I think the rest can be ok, although maybe save 1 or so on Herremans. I’ll leave it for now. So save
    $2mil on the line.
    offense savings: $15.8mil
    NT/DT: none
    DE: none (geathers is only UFA)
    ILB: restructure Ryans, currently $6.9mil, bring the base down to the 4.5 or 5 range. I’ll go with just under 5, for an even savings of $2mil. Cut Matthews, save $600K
    OLB: For the sake of my sanity, I’ll leave Cole alone but assume we’re trading Graham to save $3.4mil
    CB: Cut Marsh and Roc, save $1.2mil. Personally, ‘d love nothing more than cut Sconces. Can’t help myself. Also seeing that $6.4 cap hit makes me throw up a little in my mouth.
    S: do I even need to say it? cutting Chung saves $2.25.
    K: If Henery goes, it saves $645K
    defense savings: ~$10mil
    new total cap room: ~$45mil, cutting 11 players

    *need to extend Thornton and Kelce. Need more WRs and a TE. Need OL depth. Could use depth at DL, ILB, CB. Need OLB and S.

    • Media Mike

      I like the mindset, but I think with being $20 mil under already for next year we don’t need to worry about a lot of moving and shaking until we’re headed into 2015. Especially considering that we’re not going to really sign any big $ free agents.

      • theycallmerob

        I didn’t make too many moves, a lot of guys that sucked or weren’t coming back anyway saw the axe.
        Even keeping Avant and Celek will only add $7.7 to that, still saving $18mil. I only restructured DJax, Ryans, and Peters.

        • GEAGLE

          fans want to axe so many players that we would have to field a team with like 20 Undrafted free agents lol

      • Maggie

        Completely opposite to some of your other posts.

        • Media Mike

          I was only advocating coming at the neck’s of Cole and Herremans and not for overspending on 2014 free agents.

    • Tom W

      Do you take into account dead money (or does that go towards next year’s cap)

      I was just doing the same thing and agree w everything but think Celek OR Casey could be gone but we have so much leeway we could keep both. Also a position that Chip covets so some wr money could flow to te. Wonder if they give Peters another year to reshape K or do they think Lane can move after next season.

      At that point we need:

      1) one young qb
      2) four wrs (one rookie, Coop, young vet, and maybe another rookie)
      2a) Maybe another rookie te (Colt!)
      3) competition at backup OT and OG/C especially

      4) Competition at backup NT and DE
      5) 2 OLB – passrusher and all around guy
      6) 3 Safeties – veteran starter and two backups (one rookie and 1 vet)
      7) Two corners (two rookies or one and one)

      extend Kelce – can probably tender Thornton w a second rounder and decide if he is a core player or replaceable mid next season.

      Need to decide whether Cooper or Thornton are core guys or do they get 3 yr deals vs 5 yr deals

      Nice work

      • theycallmerob

        thanks, and I agree with Celek/Casey. I replied similarly to MM below, but keeping Avant and Celek wouldn’t be the worst. Although if Celek stayed, he’s pry getting restructured. I don’t like $10mil going to him and Casey if Ertz is quickly becoming the playmaker at that position. Of course, it’s only 1 year, but still.

        • GEAGLE

          Restructure them and pay them as blocking TEs…considering we don’t Carry any fullbacks, you better have a few TEs who are bruising blockers!!!!!

    • ICDogg

      overthecap.com has great cap calculators for such scenarios

      • theycallmerob

        yup, thanks. Played with that too, but I didn’t worry too much about extensions and cap years after ’14. We’ll have guys that need to get paid, but won’t break bank (think Thornton and Kelce). Boykin and Foles may be the big ones down the line.
        just on defense, all the DL is signed for a bit (Cox will see some money, but his stats won’t get a top contract. Wouldn’t mind if he plays into one, though!). LBs will be ok, Barwin is signed and a rookie will be cheap for a few years. Kendricks hasn’t played up to a big contract yet, and only getting younger there too. Leaves a lot of flexibility for the back end.
        It really helps that McCoy and DJax have seen their biggest contracts already. If Foles deserves it, it will come up at a good time financially for the team.

        • GEAGLE

          Cox should have just finished his senior year..he would probably be one of nthe first two defenders drafted (him and clowny)…I know everyone wants players to just be all pro’s right away, but we are going to have to save some serious coin for cox who will break thru and take his game to the next level these next two years..when that kid gets his man strength he will be a scary player..

          Celek and Casey will be here! only question is how much will they be making
          ..
          Herremans needs to take a pay cut,,he can’t get paid tackle money
          ..
          While I don’t expect us to add 4 new WR this offseason and 4 new safeties…I damn sure wouldn’t mind, I just don’t think our FO feels the same way…
          ….
          We keep wanting to axe guys and clear cap space, but we aren’t going to sign stars in FA, so what’s the point? We are clearing all this money to sign a bunch of Bradley Fletcher types…be careful what we wish for lol

          • Token

            Whats wrong with Fletcher? Played better than your boy Cary all season.

            Maybe before the year Id agree with cutting Celek. Now I really dont know. He doesnt do much for you on a week to week basis in the pass game. But hes improved as a blocker over the years. And hes a vet thats completely bought in to this program while still being a good enough player. His production could be replaced by Ertz Im assuming. Dunno, I could agree with whatever way they choose to go there. But him and Casey should certainly be restructured. Casey cant make near that much money. Hes a 1 mil a year type player.

            Regardless of what happens with money, Todd cant start another season. RG needs upgraded.

          • GEAGLE

            Guarentee you that Herremans starts next year…

            I was wrong about Celek. I wanted him out of here before the season, but our coach loves him so I think he is safe.

            Celek and coop might not be very valuable to the broncos offense! but when you run the ball 50% of the time! that means they are elite players 50% of the time lol

            Celek hands also improved drastically when Vick sat and FOles came in throwing Pillows…Celek isn’t one of our top players, but you win games with coachable warriors like him on your roster…Celek and Casey both need to alter their contracts…I could see us carrying 4TEs next year easier then I can see us replacing Brent or casey
            ..
            Todd can’t be paid as a OT. I’m a fan, so I’m down to upgrade any position, I just can’t envision Herremans not starting next year

          • Token

            If the GM and coaching staff have the ability to be honest with themselves when evaluating the team in the offseason, there is no way on earth Todd should start again based on performance.

          • GEAGLE

            Wrong….we can wish and hope all we want but Todd is starting next year

          • Token

            Why is that? Are you saying they start guys based on their contract?

          • GEAGLE

            If you don’t get it, you probably won’t…I have honestly seen 13years old be more realistic with their Madden rosters then what you are suggesting this morning…and that’s NOT an insult it’s the honest truth..
            ..
            Look, I’m not the one starting Todd Herremans, don’t get mad at me…im just guarenteeing you that unless he gets hurt! Todd will start all year..

            Btw, coaches, you know rational guys paid to factor in real life elements into their decisions…I can assure you they expect a much better OLine, specifically the right side, next year simply by doing NOTHING and giving guys continuity..

            I would bet anything that we will start the line that started all last year

          • Token

            Ok, but why? After all that blabbing still no answer.

            Did you like his play? Do you think they liked it? Or are you saying they will start him just because of his contract? Do you believe they play favorites?

            If they are looking at it simply by performance, Todd doesnt start next year. So what is the reason you are positive he will?

          • GEAGLE

            Because I have played Oline for 9 years and I know you just don’t snap your fingers and transition from OT to G seamlessly

            I also know that Herremans play will improve just by the raw rookie playing next to him improving
            .,
            I also know that rational decision makers don’t think the best it’s going to get is how a guy plays his first year back from a bad injury.
            ..
            I also know out of JP,Todd and Kelce! Todd’s injury was the last to heal. When Jason peters was literally running hurdles last march, Todd was still getting over the injury. I think it’s so damn foolish to judge JP,Todd and Kelce until we see their second season back from injury..you would think that the Demeco Ryan injury would have taught us something..oh yeah I forgot, everyone gets over injuries like Adrian pEterson lol

            I also know how damn important continuity is to an Oline! this unit will improve just by being together longer

            I also know that outside of a few hiccups, Todd’s play was really improving as the year went on…
            ….
            Dude I talk all day about how much I would LOVE baylors Cyril Richardson, so obviously ii wouldn’t mind upgrading Todd, I just honestly believe there is NO SHOT in hell that happens this offseason unless he gets Hurt, and that’s because the coaches will expect this unit to be better to a man, just by getting the first year in a new offense under their belt….He will be flanked next year by an improved Lane and Kelce…

            Like I said. I would love 53 probowlers….but this starting line will get this season to succeed or fail! before our coaches go looking to replace guys…. You can’t take that to the bank. I promise….

            Now that’s not to suggest we won’t draft any Olinemen…even if we do, Todd will get a half a season to fail before the kid comes in, because if we get a Guard, he won’t be a high pick that can’t be kept on the bench

          • Token

            I figured you just started following the Eagles in the last year or so.

            Todd Herremans was a really good guard for years here.

            But, nice try. Tho I think 9 years is too long for anyone to be allowed to play middle school football. Regardless of how many times you get held back.

          • GEAGLE

            God you are dumb…..I watched the eagles long enough to know Todd played guard on THE OTHER SIDE BEFORE YOU DAMN TWIT! Lol
            ..
            I look forward to throwing this in your face next year like I got to do all this year..silly, when will you learn

            Enjoy your day

          • Token

            Yea, sure ya did. If only he knew how to transition from tackle to guard……

          • GEAGLE

            Archives say I predicted what 70% correct rate last offseason? That’s literally better then ANYONE’s opinion you ever read last year…even beloved Tim and Sheil were telling you FOles would be traded and we would again have a historically bad defense…..I hit on FA, Draft picks, how players would perform, higher then anyone’s oppinion you ever saw last year…you can hate All you want, but an honest man knows I’m not lying…you are wrong today, this entire convo will be proven to be a giant wast of our morning…I need to right your name down and today’s date so we can easily go back and look at the archives lol..I’m going to have to start documenting the dates of these silly debates..so we can easily see who’s who and what’s what after this all unfolds….Yous are lucky I didn’t do that last offseason lol
            ..
            I’m respectful of others oppinions all the time, I admit when I’m wrong always, I take into account others oppinions..I have no problem saying I don’t have enough intel to speak on something….when I argue with someone like this, I expect to be proven correct…i can’t tell you how Todd will ultimately play next year, but I can assure you that to a man, our FO and Coaches expect our line to play better next year, by simply keeping them together….sometimes the right move is no move

          • Token

            Yikes. You have some sort of acceptance complex.

          • GEAGLE

            Archives say that’s the truth!

    • Will

      Agree with all but Celek….under appreciated for blocking and catching…still 41 million…Howie must be drooling….lol….

    • NickS1

      Why would you cut Chung?

      • Weapon Y

        Why wouldn’t you cut Chung?

        • GEAGLE

          Cuz you can’t have Earl Wolff as the returning VET who helps 4 new safeties learn a defense
          ..,
          Yous are NUTs. Do people understand that we want to build off last years defensive improvements? No one is blowing it up and starting over…

          • Token

            Chung was THE reasont he defense failed when it did.

            You REALLY overvalue the “vet tutoring the new players” angle. Thats a fantasy. Its up to the players ability and the actual coaches to do the teaching. The Patrick Chungs of the world arent out there making other players better I assure you. Quite the opposite.

            How much turnover do you think Seattle had in the first two years of Pete Carrol?

            You dont keep trash for the sake of keeping trash. Thats not how you build winners. You build teams by upgrading players whenever possible. This defense has a ton of work to do still. They arent close. They arent at the stage where you add one piece and its all perfect.

            This team should still be in overhaul mode. This season should not have changed that approach. If it did, we are all in for disappointment.

          • GEAGLE

            I’m not over valuing anything…I despise Chung! I’m telling you that you aren’t looking at things the way our front office and Coaches are looking at it….like you can’t expect me to sit here all morning talking to someone who thinks we should get:
            5 new corners
            4 new safeties
            4 new WRs
            A NT
            Impact OLB
            Starting OG
            Kicker

            My nephew’s madden roster is more realistic then yours…he is 13years old…
            ..
            F it, ok, I’m on board, the eagles will blow up this entire team, head down to the defensive player warehouse and buy 15 new defenders..we are in agreement. Debate over

          • Token

            Off your meds again?

          • GEAGLE

            No, I just made sure to take my reality pills this morning,,.you should try it instead of wasting your time talking about replacing 25 players from a young playoff team in one offseason..but hey, to each his own..
            ..
            I guarentee you Todd starts, not my call, just reality…..and I’ll make sure to throw it in your face next November..

        • NickS1

          Sorry, I was being sarcastic. I’d like to cut Chung, sign him to a vet min deal, and right after he signed it immediately cut him again just to let him know how terrible he is.

      • theycallmerob

        much, much deliberation

        • GEAGLE

          Can only cut Chung if we bring back, Nate,Colt or Kurt..Can’t be replacing 4 safeties when we haven’t been able to get 1 since we lost dawk

          • Token

            Why not? Chung plays at the level of a UDFA. You can find Patrick Chungs anywhere.

            Id let all three walk. You cant upgrade if you are scared to death of letting trash walk out the door.

            Time for special teams “ace” Colt to go. This year should teach us that keeping all these ST aces that cant play actual NFL positions is pretty stupid. Gets you nowhere. Not only does it not help on ST but it costs you valuable roster spots. Just get guys who you think can play a position well. If they are talented enough to do that they can learn ST.

          • GEAGLE

            Somehow I don’t think the FO views it like you

            Can’t be teaching the defense to 4 new safeties, unless you are ok with taking two steps back to eventually take 3 steps forward…I’m not OK with THAT! I’m not willing to give up being a contender next year, and if you want to be a contender then BLOWING UP this Roster isn’t the way to go. Rome wasn’t built in a day…we are fortunate that our core remains in tact and we get to build continuity bringing so many guys back, you don’t screw with that…We bring kids along slowly like we did with Ertz, that’s how you remain a contender while transitioning to new personel

            I damn sure wouldn’t pay Chung what he is making..pay cut or walk, and I DOUBT anyone would pay him that money so he would have to stay….we need to have two safeties who already know this defense

          • Token

            You are overthinking it. Guys like Chung dont matter. A new safety has 100% chance of providing more value to the team than he does. Knowing a defensive scheme means zero when you cant play the game. You’re putting too much value in the “knowing the scheme” category. You are overlooking the simple can he play football or not part of it.

            Simply, you dont keep bad players just because you want to keep status quo. Thats what bad teams do.

            Generally when a new coach takes over a team the turnover of the roster in the first two years is drastic. This team should be no different, still a ton of dead weight on this roster.

            They cant start thinking they are close, they arent. In many ways they were fortunate to get to where they were this year. They overachieved and were helped along the way.

            Standing pat is the worst thing they can do. They have a lot of improving to do in order to compete with the true top teams in the NFL.

          • GEAGLE

            Get me 3 new safeties, and then I’ll talk to you about replacing Chung til we are blue in the face..let me get this straight..from all your posts this morning, you are suggesting we get:
            3-4 new WRs
            A new starting OG
            4 new safeties
            5 new CBs only bringing back Boykin
            A NT
            A pass rush OLB
            Maybe a TE?

            All I can say to you is please don’t hold your breathe

          • GEAGLE

            Dude, you won’t see me Losing tears over Colt..
            ..
            Our ST aces should be young players, who eventual outgrow ST because they can’t be kept off the field on defense or offense any longer…Colt and kurt both maxed out both can walk as far as I’m concerned, especially if Jason Phillips is healing well…
            ..
            Question about ST…do you guys think not having Fullbacks is hurting our ST? Fullnacks are usually key players on coverage and return units…all we have is one TE Casey playing ST.

            We don’t talk about it enough, but ST really took a nose dive the last month of the season..

            Coverage units were shredded by the Lions, ok they get a pass for the snow..not kicking the ball out of the ENDZONE killed us against the Vikings..and then the saints game.
            ….
            The only acceptable st unit was punt coverage and that’s because Donnie Jones and Boykin put that unit on their back and were a force together

    • Token

      Geez, I forget Cary had such a high salary the next two years. Hes not worth anywhere near that kind of money. Id absolutely cut him. The WORST case scenario is Boykin starts. Easy decision.

      • GEAGLE

        Too early to F with me like that!!

        When you find another defender with some damn teeth, then I will entertain cutting Cary…with Cary,Boykin,and Brad, we still need like 3 CBs…we already need 3 safeties, 4 if people get their wish and Chung gets cut, then we need 4 WRs right??

        I’m going to take a stroll down to the WR store this morning and see if any are on sale

        • Token

          I just dont get the teeth or attitude thing. What does that get us? He plays off coverage and misses a bunch of tackles, while being a overall poor coverage CB on the season. We keep him because he talks tough off the field? Kurt Coleman does that too.
          I look at it as upgrading the position with Boykin starting while saving a bunch on the cap for another player.

          I wanted Keenan Lewis last offseason. Imagine him and Fletch as the starters. They would be in a much better position.

          Walter Thurmond will likely be out there, sign him as the new nickel corner. However, he probably wants to start and a team will give him the chance.

          • GEAGLE

            It’s not about what I want….If I can’t see OUR COACH replacing a player this year, I don’t see the point discussing it,
            I believe that there is a major discrepancy between how our coach views or starting CBs and how the media and Fans view them..I believe this is who we will go to war with ATleast two more years….would I mind upgrading with Altterren Verner or some stud? Heck yes…I just don’t believe our coaches and FO view it like that…they take factors like continuity into account. They factor a lack of pass rush and safety play into their analysis….I’m telling you Cary, Brad and Boykin are our starters for ATleast the next season and a half…NOT my call..that’s what I think our coaches and FO will do

            Allocation of resources…I believe our coaches think they have much bigger fish to fry this offseason then replacing two CBs who will play better just by improving the cast around them

          • GEAGLE

            Stop it, you haven’t even seen Cary’s game yet…him and Brad were brought in to be physical press corners. No DC in Their right mind would let his Corners press when he is getting no pass rush and as safety liabilities behind them???you literally haven’t even seem Cary and Brad play their game yet…

            Our entire defensive philosophy was keep everything in front of you and not let anyone behind you…and that’s because of our safety Liability..?Seattles CBs get to press all day, because when they get best they have safeties behind them that can be counted on, and a pass rush that forces QBs to get the ball out..

            Coaches know that Cary and Brad didn’t even get to play to their strengths this year..coaches know if we improve the safety and pass rush, it’s like also upgrading our Corners

    • cliff henny

      on offense, think it’s spot on. guess the only arguement is Celek. Ertz makes the 2nd yr jump, easily see a casey vs celek decision.
      .
      on defense, graham would reduce cap 3m in trade, if june 1st cut, gain 1.6m.
      .
      so, 60m, still…crapload is understatement! and of those 10/11 guys, is that really subtracting for 10-6 team all that much?

  • anon

    Taking graham over earl Thomas should be a fireable offense

    • GEAGLE

      Everyone slurps all over Earl, but I’m a Cam Chancellor guy!!
      Berry
      Byrd
      Chancellor

      • Isaac

        yeah. chancellor’s a beast. too bad in 2010 draft when Roseman was taking clay harbor, Carroll and was taking chancellor, the 2nd safety Seattle took in that draft and 3rd DB.

        • GEAGLE

          Thanks…I wasn’t depressed enough over the safety situation lol…Clay smells more like an Andy then Howie move to me..wish we could someday learn the truth about who was really making what decisions during during Andy’s 14 year tenure

          • GEAGLE

            Imagine how much money Jeffrey Lurie could make if he were to release a book detailing all the secrets from the Andy era..who was really in charge during which years, who made which boneheaded decisions…..Lurie could easily sell a million copies at like $30 each use that money as Jarius Byrds signing bonus

          • Will

            Nice….

      • Isaac

        do you know who Seattle’s DB coach is? the guy’s an idiot-savant. turns 5th rd picks and FAs in all pros

        • moesus

          I think his name is Chris Richards. Carroll has his fingerprints all over that secondary though. It’s his pet project.

          • GEAGLE

            Yup..Carroll always been a secondary guru..I think Carroll used to be a DB himself

            I actually think Wolf might be athletic enough and have enough range to be Able to play with a Deathbacker like Chancelor
            …..
            we aren’t getting Byrd or Ward. If we can’t get Donte HITner to a deal that we can easily get out of after 3 years then I would want to sign Nate, trade back in round 1 to like #29 and Draft Louisvilles Calvin Pryor, 6’2 210lbs.

            But more and more I’m starting to think Anthony Barr is in for a fall on draft night. If he gets to 15 or 16, trading up for him would be the ONLY thing I want! And then I would try to get one of the Dion/Deons in round 2(Bailey or Buchannon..WR in round 3..we would have to trade our 4th rounder to get Barr and in round 5, I would probably take Oregons WR Josh Huff and a CB…hope to sign Lyeria as an Undrafted FA. If I’m Chip, I would sign Colt and force him to live with me during the season of his rookie year lol,

          • moesus

            I’m ok with this scenario. As a Duck, I love Huff (although small) and Colt but I really want Benjamin from FSU. I’m also on the safety bandwagon though and I really like Barr. Something tells me that Chip is going to try and snag DAT as well. All of this postulating is driving me crazy. I’m seriously staying up at night thinking about what we could do.

            I don’t live in Philly any longer (I’m not too far away) and when I’ve seen someone in Eagles gear recently, I try to get their thoughts on FA/draft and 99% of them look at me like I’m crazy. I’d die to meet some of you guys at Chickie’s and Pete’s and talk Eagles over a large amount of alcohol.

            Side note: Blount is killing it tonight.

          • GEAGLE

            Cheers mate…I would be all for Benjamin…I wonder what type of draft grade we will place on DAT? I’m sure Chip would love a guy like him who stretches the field horizontally..

            If we aren’t drafting Defense in round 1, then I hope it’s because we took Benjamin or Mike Evans

          • moesus

            I’m fairly certain that if we don’t don’t take a big WR in the first round it’s because we traded up for Barr or Mack, although I think that’s unlikely.Kelly’s not taking DAT early but he has a second/third overall RB grade from everything I have read. He would probably not be around for us unless Kelly/Howie works out some funky trade. Benjamin is rated a late first rounder, which would fit us perfectly.

            Uhhh, I’m seriously going to stop fantasizing about this….it’s getting to be a tad creepy.

          • GEAGLE

            Lol been fantasizing about this since October…I’m sick with it

          • GEAGLE

            I drool over Benjamin like everyone else….however, by the time the draft process unfolds, that kid could fly up the charts…I wouldn’t be surprised if he was one of the first two WR drafted, bumping Mike Evans down a few spots…

            Hard to talk about this years WRs there are so many talented kids at the position in this draft, but it’s impossible to know anything about what order they will come off the board until we see the combine.

            Every year their are WRs fans drool over, they get to the combine and we find out their aren’t as fast as we thought they were….There are about 10 players in round 1 who could fall into our range that I wouldn’t mind drafting

    • UKEagle99

      Yeah… And taking Earl makes them weaker. We need to hit on a few more drafts. I have more confidence now, blind or otherwise.

  • Token

    Crazy you can win a playoff game these days when ur qb throws for 100 yards. Seattle D is so good. Now im sure we will continue to hear around here how great Wilson is for no reason at all. Guy doesnt have to do anything. Hes their last resort on offense and they still win.

    • ia

      What would our Eagles fans say about Foles if he put up these numbers?

      • GEAGLE

        Lol I wouldn’t be able to use the internet, the TV or Radio if FOles ever has a 100yard game…
        ..
        Fans already forgot Andrew lucks first playoff game last year lol, FOles was much better in his first game…

        KAp threw for 90 yards in a game this year

        RG3 couldn’t even hit a check down this year lol..

        Brady and Brees played some horrible games this year

      • Token

        As you can see above people defend Wilson to the death. I dont get it. Nice story. Good guy. But ive yet to figure out whats great about his play.

        • UKEagle99

          He’s basically Foles style safe with the ball except rather than on the odd occasion holding it too long and taking a sack he takes off. Protect the ball and make plays with your feet when needed, stay healthy. You hear that Mike?

          • Token

            Eh, i dunno about that. Many assume hes better than he is because they hear his name a lot. His typical game is like 200 yards. Hes overrated. Not a bad player. Just overrated. I wouldnt trade Foles for him straight up. Overall Foles plays the QB position better IMO.

          • GEAGLE

            His typical game really is like 200yards, 1TD, 1 rushing TD, 25 attempts

          • UKEagle99

            Maybe. It’s hard to compare the two. If Foles had a D that dominant then I am sure he would look different. I’m not knocking Foles btw, I have enjoyed most of his play this season, looking forward to seeing him after his first full off season as starter.

    • moesus

      He’s struggled a bit down the stretch but he’s a very good QB. They have no receivers. Harvin can’t stay on the field, Rice is a bust and they get by with average guys. If they had a WR corps like Denver, they’d be unbeatable. The Saints defense is quite good as well.

  • ia

    Desean needs new contract, he just lost $250.000 in a burglary.

    • GEAGLE

      Seriously?
      ..
      Anyone hear any updates on Lazor and gamble?

  • GEAGLE

    Hahahaha wtf did the patriots punter just think he was doing? Did he plan on completing a 50′yard pass to barely get the first down? Hahaha I can’t believe a bIll Belicek punter just did that…I don’t think I will ever forget this playoff moment…:)

  • GEAGLE

    I knew that the Patriots drafting Jamie Collins was going to end up pissing me off…a bunch of us were right about him

    • Tom w

      Second that. I’d rather have Ertz though … more upside. we can get a better pass rusher this year.