Wake-Up Call: How the Eagles Impact the Crime Rate

Mychal KendricksThe casual conversation with Mychal Kendricks was about Philadelphia, and how much nicer of a place it is to live when the Eagles are winning. Kendricks shot a look like, Man, you aren’t kidding.

“The vibe, people’s moods, everything,” said the linebacker on how the outcome of the game impacts this city. “There is even more crime when we lose…Look it up, it’s a fact.”

Crime goes up? Where was he getting this?


Kendricks explained that Philadelphia Police Commissioner Charles Ramsey visited the team prior to the 2012 season  and suggested that the city was a kinder, gentler place to live after an Eagles victory and that the streets were meaner following a loss.

"He basically said crime rates jump up significantly when we lose," Kendricks recalled. "He told us that, and I was like, 'Damn, if that's a real statistic, we better start winning.' "

We took Kendricks' advice and decided to look it up. More specifically, we contacted the Police Commissioner's office to see if they could provide any data that would potentially support this theory. In response, they listed for Birds 24/7  the number of arrests, by category, on days of 1 o'clock Eagles games dating back to the 2011 season. There were 24 games in all, 11 of which were wins and 13 losses.

In this particular sample size, there was no significant difference when it came to serious crimes. There was a noticeable spike in the number of disorderly conduct arrests on days the Eagles lost, however. There were 19 disorderly conducts cited after wins and 64 following a loss. In other words, the number of those kind of arrests/gameday nearly tripled on days of losses in this sample.

Interestingly, 25 of those 64 arrests on the day of a defeat (40 percent) came during the two home losses to the Giants.

The conclusion? Philly gets a little more ornery following a loss, especially when New Yorkers are in town to rub it in. Sounds about right.

Commissioner Ramsey also broke down the level of arrests across the NFL by position. This how they rank, from most prone to trouble to least, according to Kendricks (with an assist from Cary Williams):

1) Defensive linemen
2) Tight ends
3) Defensive backs
4) Receivers
5) Running backs
6) Linebackers
7) Offensive line
8) Quarterbacks
9) Special teams

'Kickers," quipped Casey Matthews, "are usually sticking to golf."

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Chip Kelly's sleep habits and the story behind the Brent Celek-Riley Cooper hand slap in Kapadia's three leftovers. 

A look at the Eagles' pass-rusher rankings. 

WHAT THEY'RE SAYING

Robert Mays of Grantland names Fletcher Cox as one of his All-22 All-Stars. The headline labels him "A budding superstar."

 This year, as Philly has turned to a scheme with multiple fronts that asks the defensive linemen to do a little bit of everything, Cox has developed into a Pro Bowl–caliber player. Always considered an athletic marvel, his second year in the league has brought enough refinement and experience to turn him into a complete — and occasionally dominant — defensive lineman.

ESPN Lions writer Michael Rothstein analyzes this Detroit team.

It starts with turnovers and inconsistency. The Lions' defensive line, the same group that dominated on Thanksgiving, largely disappeared in some earlier games. Turnovers are a major issue, too. The Lions have three or more turnovers in four of their past five games. Against Tampa Bay and Pittsburgh, that was a key factor in those losses. Detroit is a very talented team that continues to feel like a group still finding out exactly how it wants to play.

COMING UP

We'll roll out our predictions for Eagles-Lions.

  • DirtyWaters

    Once again, Kendricks is obsessed with meaningless stats. In related news, the number of burning cars decreases on nights the Phillies do not win the World Series.

    Sheil, can we get an All-22 of some Giant fans getting pummeled?

    • DEBO 215

      I’ll drink to that.

  • Eagle in VT

    So, you’re telling me it’s ok when I get surly after a loss because everyone else does…sweet!

  • GEAGLE

    I was thinking about something…would Chip dare make Nick zone read Suh? Lol

    • DirtyWaters

      Pardon my ignorance, this is a serious question, would you ever actually read a DT or is if solely the DE or OLB?

      • GEAGLE

        No, you can absolutely read DTs…I just doubt you would want to do it with Nick FOles lol…If Vick were playing, I would fully expect him to read Suh and not worry about blocking him…you can read anyone you want meaning you let him run free and make your decision based off what he does

      • Adam

        In the preseason game against NE we read Wilfork.

        • DirtyWaters

          We read him the Ishkabibble’s menu.

          • Adam

            That sounds pretty good right now.

          • GEAGLE

            Right!! I could use a “gremlin” half lemonade half grape!

      • macadood

        you can read any number of players. DE, OLB, ILB, DT, Safety sometimes. All of these have been shown on the All-22s here and on Chip Wagon

        • DirtyWaters

          Yeah, I only read Macmanus’ articles. It’s much better fodder for sarcasm. If I read SKs articles I might learn too much and then have to back up anything I say with facts.

      • theycallmerob_2

        read McCoy a bit in the TB game, too. think they got Raji (GB) a bit too. no reason not to. with the zone read, may as well take their best player out of the game. make for some devastating screens

  • GEAGLE

    Tim, I listened to you on 97.5 and while you gave a million reasons why you think we are going to lose, the one thing you refuse to acknowledge is COACHING!!!

    Two teams who are close in talent, the better coached team usually wins..We DO NOT shoot ourselves in the foot as much as the Lions..not only do they commit dumb penalties but they also turn the ball over. We are better in both categories and that will be the difference in the game…
    ….
    When you look at our team, it shows ALL THE SIGNS of a very well coached team. That won’t lose against an Undiscaplined team like the lions.
    ..,
    I hope you aren’t holding your breathe waiting for the rainmaker to come back to Earth. This is who he is, get used to it :)..

    This game is OURS McManus…not to late to hop on board mate!

    Btw I also despise the: is Nick playing out of this world, or is he a product of this Chip Kelly offense? What a joke! I despise that!! Dude threw 60% in a antiquated Andy offense with no Oline, switched to a totally different system and 8 months later is throwing 60% again….yet people want to downgrade what he is doing because of Chip? Does he not have to read the defense in the his offense, and deliver accurate balls? I’m so tired of Yous knockin FOles, so Yous can be ready to say I told you so when he has a bad game…Fact is, this IS Nick FOles, get used to it….as great as he is been, do you actually think this is as good as it gets for him? Lol the kid isn’t even halfway developed yet…everyone talks about how NICK is NOT the right QB for a Chip Kelly offense, and then in theme next breathe they discredit what N ick is doing because he is playing in Chips offense? Lol which one is it?

    eagles win Sunday will apparently equal less crime smh…it’s Friday and we talking crime rate?

    • Eagle in VT

      I’m assuming he was doing the reverse jinx…

      • GEAGLE

        He expects us to “come back down to earth”….this is WHO we ARE!!
        It’s a serious mistake to think we have been playing our best ball, this team is still rising, it’s not a case of a plateauing team who is about to starts decline….Nick might throw some INTs, but that won’t mean that he will no longer throw TDs and a 60% completion rate….we are all traumatized Negadelphians who always expect the other shoe to drop when things are going well. It’s a NEW day in Philly. Chip didn’t come here to suffer constant heartbreak, Chip is here to DELIVER, and I couldn’t possibly trust a coach more

        • G_WallyHunter

          you headin to game Sunday?

          • GEAGLE

            Yes sir…missed the Detroit game last year, never seen Megatron live before. Looks like I gotta deal with some crappy weather

          • G_WallyHunter

            Are you tailgating for the 3 hours before or whatever the standard is

          • GEAGLE

            By the time I park and get to the lot it probably be 11:30….will you be down there?

          • G_WallyHunter

            I will not be, unfortunately live roughly 800km (500m) from the stadium. I’ll get down there at some point, have yet to see the Linc. But I expect you to try and get this chant going, needs to happen this week or week 16, we’re running out of time!!

          • GEAGLE

            I’ll be sitting in my regular seats for this game so I definitely gonna make a serious effort and it will be much easier. Cause I’m familiar with everyone in my section…we get a lot of crap as fans, but it’s all brotherhood at a game…let me know when you make the trip to our Mecca, we will crack a beer

          • G_WallyHunter

            I’ll be keeping my ears peeled for the chant, if you get the right sections going, strategically placed, scattered sections, it should spread like wildfire.

          • GEAGLE

            Yes sir…plus I already was able to get people to start calling him the rainmaker back at the Washington game

          • Richard Colton

            Is it still the FOles chant? or have we graduated to “MVP” yet?

          • G_WallyHunter

            Should keep er Foles for the start, if he throws 2 TDs with no picks, changes to MVP, hell ya

          • GEAGLE

            If this keeps up, i guarentee you hear an MVP chant and I won’t even have to start it

          • cliff henny

            congrats! have a blast, for all those 500+ ms away

          • G_WallyHunter

            Always do, cherished Sundays, besides, who needs to be down there when I can just sit up here in my igloo and live vicariously through all of y’all

          • cliff henny

            guess i shouldnt tell you first 6 or 7 games i sat on beach and streamed games while drinking beer.

          • GEAGLE

            Lol….best game I ever caught was Eagles vs. Niners about 10 years ago, I was watching the game sitting on a private beach on a Carribean island called Dominica,,.it was close to Xmas time, and when I saw they were airing the eagles game I lost my mind….igloo? Where the hell do you live? Canadia?

          • G_WallyHunter

            Ya you know, northland, I guess I could be a lot farther than 800km, Adam’s probably got me tripled in distance

          • GEAGLE

            George’s st. Pierre land

          • Andy124

            ever visit mmajunkie?

          • BlindChow

            What the hell’s a km?

          • Adam

            killer moose’s. It’s the length of a deadly Canadian moose.

          • G_WallyHunter

            Killer meese? gotta love that plural conundrum. This length would have problems, the killer mice up in North Bay are at least twice as long as those in the Muskokas.. consistency issues.
            Edit: Correct plural, meese

          • BlindChow

            I’m pretty sure the plural is meese.

          • G_WallyHunter

            Correct you are

          • Andy124

            C’mon Chow. Those Canadians use that whacky metric system. km = kilomile.

          • bentheimmigrant

            You need them for measuring the distance between people in Canada.

          • Sven

            Please tell me you meant kilometers.

          • Andy124

            No, I meant kilomile. Kilometer wouldn’t have been funny at all (not that kilomile was a metric tonne of fun).

          • Richard Colton

            please tell me you meant ton

          • Adam

            1620km from here

          • G_WallyHunter

            Ah, should have stuck with doubled, was close, hey I guess at least you have a beauty drive down the coast, my drive consists of going through that craphole called Buffalo

          • G_WallyHunter

            Jesus, where?

          • cliff henny

            myrtle beach SC. 80 and nice today, probably do couple happy hour beers down there today.

          • Adam

            Pfft.. should have the first brew cracked by no later than 10.

          • GEAGLE

            Oh i will…it just won’t be cracked at the linc

          • Kristopher Cebula

            you guys wait till 10?

          • Adam

            “no later than”

        • Andy124

          Yeah. Back in 2008 when the Phillies TB game was delayed by rain, that was proof that there was no way the gods were going to let the Phillies win. The other shoe had dropped and was milimeters from the floor, and yet…

          • GEAGLE

            Perfect example..it’s a new day for the eagles. I never imagined watching eagles stall and teams roaring back on us in the 4th quarter and not be worried that we were about to collapse. I was eerily calm and confident in the 4th quarter against the skins and Cards…and that’s a testament to the change that Chip. Has brought

    • cliff henny

      more needs to be made of taking dome team and going on the road to cold wet windy philly. hope kelly calls 50 runs 250 yds, and camera pans to Washburn getting more and more fustrated

      • GEAGLE

        Absotely..that is a very REAL element…people write it off because Detroit isn’t a warm weather place, but getting used to playing in a Dome pretty much makes you into a warm weather city…there are plenty of REAL factors in hour favor:
        1) Dome team playing in December in Philly weather..Sunday will be ugly here
        2) to piggy back off that, when the lions go on the road they are no where as tough as they are at home
        3) They turn the ball over more and commit more penalties then us

        Did people see what Chip Kelly and his offense did to an drastically better Arizona defense? That defense had a few weak links to attack and we dissected them for most of the game. this Detroit defense has many more Soft spots to attack then the Cardinals
        ..
        When you look at the Eagles these past two months, they show all the signs of a well coached team. I don’t see that when I see. The Schwartz coached lions..Detroit has good players on defense but we always jump out to an early lead which tells me that it takes defense time to adjust to our offense and that we are catching them off balance early in the game. Even with Suh,Fairly,Ziggy,tulloch,Quinn, I just don’t see the Detroit coaching staff as the one that will get it’s team prepared to stop Chip n Nick early in the game

      • BlindChow

        Foles doesn’t exactly have a stellar cold weather record, either.

        • Andy124

          Yet. :)

    • morgan c

      I’d love for us to win, and we may, but I think Tim was merely going in line with the long-haul prediction of 9-7 or maybe 10-6. While it would be great to go 11-5, it’s not like that is all of a sudden the most likely result. The Lions are a good team, a bit farther ahead than us. The game is winnable, but I just think Tim was being honest in that the Lions offense will be a real challenge and Foles is probably due for a sub-par game.

      None of this means we aren’t going to be in there right til the end. Go Birds.

      • GEAGLE

        I have NO PROBLEM with someone thinking we will get outplayed by a good team..I take issue with Tim “waiting for the Advil to fall on his a head”..that suggests this is a mirage and that we will come back down to earth..I just watched constant week to week growth for two months, This is NO Mirage! if we are going to lose then we will have to be outplayed which is always a possibility..FOles isn’t coming back to earth! he will only improve? that doesn’t mean he won’t ever throw INTs or there won’t be rough patches…but this is no mirage. it’s a young inexperienced team, with hungry dialed in players that are being coached up..there is no other shoe to drop. We can easily lose games, but you are going to have to come beat us! To me, this does NOT look like a team that will beat itself…there is NO Advil to drop. This is the foundation for the new era of eagles football. Get used to it!

        • Andy124

          with hungry dialed in players that are being con he’d u
          coached up?

          • BlindChow

            I think maybe he had a stroke.

          • Andy124

            I liked your one-word version better. I think we’re all at increased risk of that being Eagles fans.

  • GEAGLE

    FOles “I’m the luckiest QB in the league with the targets I get to throw to”

  • GEAGLE

    Yesterday Chip gave the funniest press conference since he has been here…when he started talking about “SH**TY plays” I lost it,,,that press conference was gold

  • Richard Colton

    TE would be further down the list but the hundreds of people killed or assaulted by Aaron Hernandez skewed the number.

    • Brian

      Too soon?

      • Richard Colton

        thousands? I’m trying to ballpark it.

        • cliff henny

          that’s just in Florida

  • knighn

    I know “Crimes Against Reason” go up after a birds loss (because then we’re more likely to see a Dutch post).

  • Andy

    The crime stats didn’t differentiate between crimes by Philadelphians and visiting fans. Those skyrocketing arrest counts could be fully attributable to the fact that Giants fans are in the area causing havoc. Those games just draw criminals from New York to Philly for the weekend–of course the crime rate goes up.

  • Adam

    ICYMI: Chip Kelly laying the smack down on the silly media questions

    • GEAGLE

      Love it

  • macadood

    “Kickers,” quipped Casey Matthews, “are usually sticking to golf.”

    STFU Casey! No one asked you.

    • Richard Colton

      Part of me wants the Eagles to draft OLB, ILB, OLB in the first three rounds, just so we can end caseymatthews in Philly forever. I’d love to see Donnie Jones just slap him across the mouth.

      • DirtyWaters

        I would pay to let Donnie kick me in my head. Most likely he would pin me inside the 10.

      • GEAGLE

        Casey practically backs up Barwin. just drafting an OLB would probably get Casey out of here:
        OLB: Barwin,Cole,Graham, Mack/Van Noy
        ILB: Meco!Mykal,Goode, Knott will be a year older

        • Richard Colton

          I think we can do better than Goode and Jake Knott. What do you think of Shane Skov from Stanford? He’d look pretty good Quarterbacking the defense if anything happened to Demeco.

          • GEAGLE

            Like his game a lot…he should definitely be an upgrade over what we have, but I’m not exactly sure what that is yet. I like what I see from Goode and he will only improve..will he improve enough to be better than Skov 3 years from now? No idea, and I hVe no clue what we think of knott

          • theycallmerob_2

            put this on igglesblitz, but look at Barrow from LSU. has some exp. outside, but mainly ILB. projected 4th rd.
            also, this year’s #18 for them…inherited from Logan. class act, good player- IMO, worth a mid rounder

      • Wilbert31

        I thought we were using Donnie football.

        • Richard Colton

          good one. philly.com called him Donnie J’owns.

  • cliff henny

    picturing the rookies in the meeting with commish, still learning city, being told they lose, us idiot fans are ready to tear and burn city to the ground, looking around like ‘this guy for real?’…and vets like Cole Celek just nodding heads ‘yup, you have no clue brother, welcome to the fishbowl’. stats like this really makes me miss philly. it’s so hard to explain philly fandom, nice when 6ers phillies flyer win…but the Eagles freaking matter!

  • GEAGLE

    Hahahah Mike and Mike is showing a FOles highlight to the karate Kid I song “your the best around, nothing’s gonna ever keep you down, your the best around” that’s my jam, love to work out to that song lol..

    Then Greene went on to predict the lions because the eagles “are horrible at home” hahahah a gotta love the national media

    • cliff henny

      love to know what stafford’s post t-day road stats look like. imagine the Linc for Chicago’s game if next 2 are W’s…be seatte’esgue. heck, win, and the 10 game losing streak is a distant memery

      • GEAGLE

        Yeah that be interesting Intel to look up…the Linc has been getting better but their are still a bunch of people still waiting to buy in,!if we win this game that place will start to get crazy again

        • cliff henny

          not too difficult, for a qb playing in Det, that division, he hasnt played in many obvious bad weather games.
          ’09…rookie, not terribly fair, but @cinci 11/23 145 1td/2ints
          ’10…none, was hurt…1 mid sept @chi 11/15 83 0/0
          ’11..had 3, but 2 were @NO and @SD…had @GB last game, killed it in 45-41 loss…36/59 520 5/2
          ’12…@GB..27/45 2651/1 and @ARZ, sure it was nice 24/50 245 0/3.
          .
          my guess is little crappier weather helps eagles, use stacks and run more. kelly should know how to call a cold rainy game from time in oregon

          • GEAGLE

            Yes sir..it’s pretty simple this week:
            ..
            1) move the chains so we can turn up the tempo and wear down these fat DTs
            ..
            2) Detroit isn’t going to come in here and have a clean game with minimal penalties and NO turnovers. That’s just NOT going to happen…so I’m hoping our guys take advantage of being able to count on Detroit mistakes by playing a clean game and not turning the ball over

            3) As always the battle in the trenches is critical. our lines can take this challenge on knowing they can drastically impact this game. Detroit isn’t going to blitz much. if we can keep their front 4 off FOles, Nick will go bananas on this secondary If you give him time. Conversly Stafford will give you chances for INTs if our Dline wins the battle up front, roughs up stafford and keep the pressure on him

            Detroit has plenty of talent, but they can’t come in here lose those 3 areas and win this game..they won’t be able to overcome us winning those battles

          • BlindChow

            The Lions are good against the run. It’ll be even worse if they don’t think Foles will throw it and stack the box.

  • TNA

    GEAGLE raises a good point about coaching, but plays have to be executed. For instance, offensive execution started to go south late in the AZ game, and the offense sputtered.

    We haven’t really seen this Eagles team play in windy/snowy weather and I’m really curious to see how Chip adapts his calls. Being captain obvious here, but there should be more turnovers than usual, and it’ll be imperative for the Eagles to capitalize on their turnovers better than the Lions.

    • GEAGLE

      Well coached teams EXECUTE. We are a well coached team, the lions arent. I just don’t see this team getting overconfident and having a letdown. we have been stellar on opening drives in the first and 3rd quarters. We are so good early in games that it leads me to believe that teams can’t prepare for Chip. They have to experience it before they can settle in and have a chance of stopping us or atleast that’s how it seems. The lions have a great run defense! but IMO it isn’t as good as the cardinals run defense.
      ….
      mid 3rd quarter we started to sputter as the cardinals stacked the box taking away the run. They were able to do that and have success because their secondary is excellent and they were able to hold their own while the entire front was focused on the run…the Lions secondary won’t have that ability and Chip has shown that he will still take shots when you would think we are killing the clock. the cardinals happened to defend that well, and when we did get something going, an eagle would get sloppy and he called for a penalty that stalled our drive…

      One thing I think we can count on is that we will fix our mistakes and improve our weakness. When we had our biggest win of the season last week, No one was celebrating! All you heard our players talk about was the mistakes they made and the things they need to fix,,,THAT told ME that this team is SERIOUS. Everyone talked about how the cardinals was a chance at our first signature win. last years group woulda told you how great they were after a win like that..this years team isn’t close to being satisfied. secondary passed a BIGTIME test last week yet Cary was disgusted by the miscommunications and blown coverages and focused on fixing them,,,,THATS such a beautiful sign. The OLine was pissed at the cards second half success. FOles talked about building a data base in his brain with what he can, and can’t get away with in an NFL game..the entire team talked about needing to close out games…Players are Dialed in, and getting coached up…THIS TEAM will show up improved in all those areas on Sunday. good coaching plus hard focused work and you will improve…lions are very similar stylistically to the lions, but
      It will be easier to attack them offensively

  • BleedGreenJames

    Kendricks blows, great pick Howie.

    • bentheimmigrant

      -.-
      Can’t tell if real trolling or pretend trolling…

      • BleedGreenJames

        3rd worst LB in the league in tackling efficiency.

        Yeah, I’m a troll. Was also picked with Wagner and David on the board. Guess I’m a horrible fan because I don’t like that Howie picked a bad player with a 2nd rounder.

        • GEAGLE

          You are misguided. Leave the stats alone. This time next year you won’t even be thinking of lavont and Wagner. I guarentee Mykal will be a serious player!

          • BleedGreenJames

            I appreciate your optimism, and I hope you’re right, but until he isn’t being vastly outplayed by guys picked right after him, I’ll have my doubts. I haven’t loved Howie for some time now, but I’m one person.

          • BlindChow

            I haven’t loved Howie for some time now…

            Says the guy with a Boykin avatar.

          • BleedGreenJames

            Did I say he’s never done anything right? This year’s class is impressing and that’s great, that shows improvement on his part, especially with him acknowledging their methods of drafting for need in the past as opposed to BPA has changed. But as far as Lurie coming out and being a Howie apologist when Andy and co. were dismissed rubbed me a bit the wrong way. Everyone loves to say that the FA bust rush of 2011 was on Andy and the 2010 and ’11 drafts were on him as well, but Howie has worn the tag ‘GM’ since Jan. 2010, take your lumps when the personnel disappoints, you were in the war room high-fiving and popping champagne when the team took Graham over several better players.

          • Adam

            What was wrong with the Graham pick? He was a top prospect and was projected to go where we took them. You can say “we could have had Earl Thomas or JPP” all day but heinsight is 20/20. No one could predict his injury and Washburn shafting him.

          • BleedGreenJames

            Dude come on, I get you love some Howie, but that Earl Thomas pick was a slam dunk selection that patches a need with an all pro talent and was arguably the BPA, everyone that followed that class closely knew that.

            I’m not condemning him and saying he’ll never put a championship roster together here, but I’m in a ‘show me’ mode. He’s been GM since 2010, but only 2012 and ’13 count because they were better? I don’t care what Lurie or any other Eagles sources come out and say about who had what power on selections, you stepped up and took the perks of GM, so when things go bad I’m going to hold you just as accountable as the guys being crucified by the fanbase. Howie’s evaluations that were held in such high esteem by Lurie were never released because teams don’t do that, so as far as I’m concerned this was just Lurie saving face and attempting to explain why he canned and Andy but kept the GM. Also, if this is beginning to sound like I didn’t want Andy fired, that’s not the case, Chip was my dream candidate for this job.

          • Adam

            Brandon Graham was an Andy pick, so there is no “Howie love” here. My point was that he wasn’t a bad pick, he was a good player and not over drafted. You can’t plan for injuries and asshole coaches who play favorites.

            So Joe Banner gets his powers removed and then gets dismissed and all of a sudden the quality of draft picks increases in the 2012 draft. Then Andy gets dismissed and we have another great class in 2013. It’s a really strange coincidence.

            What motivation does Lurie have to “save face” and not fire Howie? If he was firing Andy and his entire staff, it would be nothing else to fire the GM as well unless he felt maybe that he was A) being under utilized and/or B) did not share the a large part of the responsibility of blame for the failures of the organization. So my question to you is why was Howie not fired?

            You realize the only reason Chip Kelly is our head coach is because of Howie right?

          • Andy124

            What motivation does Lurie have to “save face” and not fire Howie?
            Mole fettish.

          • JofreyRice

            On this one, I have to disagree. No way it was hindsight only. People were SHOCKED when they took Graham. I mean, everyone and their brother knew we needed a safety, and when the Eagles traded up to get him, the money was on the Eagles picking Earl Thomas. We still don’t have that QB of the defense that a modern NFL safety has become, and I think the slew of big plays we’ve given up is indicative of that.

            Graham was exactly the kind of undersized fastball Reid made famous. Short DE with limited athletic ability, that many projected as an OLB. It was “same sh!t different draft”. Of course he got knocked around and had a less than ideal start to his career, but talent is going to shine through. If he really was worthy of that pick, I’d have to think the Eagles would be playing him, or they would have gotten a good enough offer to move him.

          • Andy124

            So you’re mad at Howie because Lurie sad that Howie’s recommendations graded out better than his peers? Doesn’t Howie always talk about how “WE” drafted for need too much, including himself and therefore accepting his responsibility?

            And you meantion this year’s class is doing great. That makes two in a row. Not enough to put him in the HoF for GMs, but certainly reason for a pat on the back and optimism for the future. Let’s go for back-to-back-to-back-to-back.

          • GEAGLE

            Howie was learning on the job, and has shown tremendous improvement so I’m not exactly sure what the point of bringing up his decisions from 4 years ago? He made mistakes, but sure seems like he learned from it. This year was his first year scouting for a 3-4 and a Chip offense……NAILED IT!!

          • BleedGreenJames

            I get that, but learning on the job as one of the primary decision makers on assembling nearly all pieces of the franchise? That could prove dangerous as it did with all the blunders in recent years. I’ll give Howie his credit, he is maybe the best in the NFL at getting team-friendly deals with FAs and keeping us very flexible in the salary cap department. I just have questions on evaluations and draft management. I think that’s fair.

          • anon

            Haha — nailed it by not drafting defensive players until the 3rd round at which point you have pretty muted expectations? We did get good FAs, I will give that to Howie (or Tom Gamble / Billy Davis).

          • JofreyRice

            I’ve held a deep skepticism of Howie for all the same reasons you’re mentioning. Don’t believe he was completely uninvolved in the big personnel gaffes. Felt like there was some dishonesty in the way Lurie tried to publicly exonerate him, and put all the “bad” picks on FF (Andy) and Joe Banner.

            Now, I don’t advocate anyone attempting to get to the G-Kegel level of blind homerism, but right now, I think the improved performance of Howie’s picks commands some reservation in criticism of him as a GM. I mean, it’s not just this year–the guy in your avatar looks like a real deal playmaker. Cox seems like an obvious pick now, but he didn’t have as high of a profile going into the draft as many make it seem in retrospect. After having really high hopes initially, I’ve had my problems with Kendricks, but he hasn’t been awful lately. Vinny Curry has passrushing talent–amazing first step, when applied to interior OL; even if he’s not an every down 3-4 DE, he’s a football player that can help the defense make plays in passing situations.

            Howie sucks at free agency. I hated the pickups. Still don’t like them. Mediocre guys they could have done better on. But it seems the ’11 splurge might have taught him something–that putting a team together that way is not a winning formula–and truthfully, the draft is the more important piece of team-building, anyway.

          • BlindChow

            I think Barwin was a terrific pick-up in free agency. Don’t think there was anyone else out there who could do as many things as he can.

          • JofreyRice

            Eh, he’s a ham and egger. Jack of all trades, master of none. A dime a dozen. Wears a lot of hats that don’t fit. Neither here nor there. Doesn’t cut the mustard. Burns the midnight oil. Has a tough row to hoe. Gets bent out of shape. Feels right as rain when he’s under the weather. I don’t know, maybe he’s good?

          • Andy124

            I don’t know what I just read, but I enjoyed reading it.

          • Adam

            I don’t think you can judge him just on moves free agency signings alone. What about the non moves? Read a post about this a while back. Not signing RJF and letting Ced Thorton develop looks solid. Not giving a fat check to Golson. Not trading Foles or Curry. Not cutting Allen. Not drafting EJ or Geno. Not throwing away Riley after his fiasco in the summer.

          • JofreyRice

            Some validity to what you’re saying, but I think you’re coming from the perspective of supporting him all along. Of course, it goes without saying that I was always on the other side of that argument, and in fairness, it looks like I might end up on the wrong side of history here. The Eagles still being relevant in the middle of December softens the blow a little…

            I still think Dashon Goldson is a better safety talent than anyone we have on the roster–PFF grade aside. Crediting Howie for moves he didn’t make is a bridge too far for me (had to sneak another idiom in).

          • Adam

            I hear you. I think the main difference between your thinking and mine is that the blame you place on Howie, I placed on Joe Banner. I think Joe Banner was a cold blooded, evil man. Penny pincher through and through. I think the salary cap was put above all else and that’s why our roster is in such terrible shape.

            Just look at the man. If that’s not evil, I’m not sure what is.

          • JofreyRice

            He was a d!ck, surely, the Dawkins move proved that. But he also was a big part of all the success they had in the early part of the decade. It’s hard for me to overlook that and think that he and FF (Andy) just completely got the yips as far as picking players. The big difference in the FO was Howie.

            The concept of Howie learning from his mistakes and improving is a lot easier for me to swallow than Joe Banner and Reid being the source of the decline of the franchise. I mean, it’s possible that the fortunes of the franchise were always tied to McNabb, and as he declined, the house of cards they had set up around him kind of crashed down, but it just seems less probable.

          • Adam

            The concept of Howie learning from his mistakes and improving is a lot easier for me to swallow than Joe Banner and Reid being the source of the decline of the franchise.

            I’m not really sure this has to be an either/or argument. Might be both and could very well be the reason why Howie remained and the other 2 got the ax.

          • GEAGLE

            Who the hell ever supported Howie all along? Delusional? We used to Burry Howie for a long time, unti he EARNED it!! People rather keep it real and give credit when it’s due them admit to being wrong,,,,after all the times you have been horribly wrong, you would think you would learn to handle it a little better by now haahahaha

          • JofreyRice

            I hear ya fruity, I was all about the Gus Bus “DO YOUR JOB!” and totally against Chip Kelly as I endlessly campaigned for the Eagles to take Manti Te’o with the #1 overall pick. How could I have been such a dumb jackass?

          • anon

            EJ / Geno were chips decisions. We didn’t want to pay for RJF doesn’t mean he wouldn’t be playing better than logan. What’s wrong with Goldson? We tamed Cary Williams, I’d love to see Goldson hulk smash RGIII on a safety blitz.

          • Adam

            How do you know that? If we went out and paid RJF he would take snaps from Ced Thornton, a young player who’s playing better than him and making A LOT less money. Logan plays nose so this has nothing to do with him. If we signed Goldson I wouldn’t be too upset but I like Byrd better next year. I think the Bucs over paid for him.

          • anon

            Unclear if rjf would be better in this system/coaching.

          • Adam

            That’s not really my point, I think Cedric Thronton is playing lights out football, you couldn’t ask much more from your 5-tech DE. He’s supposed to be a run stuffing block eater and that’s what he’s been doing. He’s 2 years younger than RJF and his cap number is about 4 million less.

            If talent is equal or close, you prefer to go with the younger cheaper alternative. But even in terms of talent I think Ced > RJF, so he really takes all 3 categories.

          • GEAGLE

            I’ve burried you in terms of football acumen and predictions, so there really is no reason to stoop to taking personal shorts..enjoy your classless last resort…watch some film,put the madden down and you can try again next offseason ;)…

            I didn’t just give you predictions, I told you why and how things would unfold with you talking trash for months…sucks to be you lol

          • JofreyRice

            yeah, please don’t take my personal shorts. They’re called personal for a reason. What film do you watch? Mary Poppins? That’s about the level of “football acumen” you bring.

          • theycallmerob_2

            Donnie football. ’nuff said.

          • Andy124

            Posting from a phone and can’t get logged in? What’s up?

          • theycallmerob

            yea, work was weird today. like everything else in the public schools, our filter is spotty. somehow the kids still get porn and youtube fights through, yet today I struggled with 24/7

          • Andy124

            I get that kind of stuff too.

          • Andy124

            Who’s better, Manning or Brees? Does that mean the other one sucks?

            Other linebackers playing better than Mychal does not mean Mychal sucks.

          • bentheimmigrant

            To be fair, he missed a whole bunch of tackles to open the season.

          • GEAGLE

            And has significantly improved since…why would anyone think this is as good as it gets for him? Lol you aren’t watching anything close to a finished product yet

          • Andy124

            BGJ logged two complaints. Missed tackles and superior play by those drafted after Mychal.

            You pointed out that Mychal’s tackling has been better lately, at least it looks that way, thus weakening his first point. He doubled down on the second point.

            I pointed out the problem with his second point. His first point was better, he should have stuck with it. :)

          • Richard Colton

            His play had really picked up in the 3 or 4 weeks prior to the injury. Beginning of the year, he was bad. Coulda…shoulda…woulda… Wagner would have been a decent fit, as would Kiko. I’m nowhere near ready to give up on Kendricks yet. Very excited to see him matched up on Pettigrew and Bush.

          • GEAGLE

            Wagner has stability…good chance he would have struggled with Juan coaching no scheme continuity..
            ,,,
            He really was playing much better before the injury and came back with a really solid game against the Cards…it will click for Mykal sooner or later, and when it does no one will be drooling over LBs any more….I bet if you asked Chip about replacing Mykal he would think you are insane lol

          • Andy124

            But can he run the zone-option? How many running lanes does he open up for LeSean?

          • anon

            You could make the same argument about Trent Cole, but you don’t.

          • anon

            I think you threw up a strawman argument. Are you saying that Kendricks is playing at a Manning or Brees level? If Lavonte David is Manning, maybe Kendricks is Cutler?

          • Andy124

            Replace Manning and Breese with Player A and Player B. The point remains the same that superiority of one player is not sufficient to demonstrate that the other player blows… unless the superior player also blows.

          • anon

            Similarly it’s not sufficient to demonstrate that the other player doesn’t blow.

          • Andy124

            Absolutely.

          • GEAGLE

            He hasn’t been given the schematic continuity required for him to be able to be a bust. have you noticed what these coaches turned Nate into? Mykal is more talented and has more heart than Nate. Young players aren’t even supposed to come into their own til they have a season and a half of Gametime in the same scheme under their belt,,,the success some of our young players are having this soon are screwing up your expectations of Mykal

            You can look at all the stats you want and watch games live, but if you were to ask ANYONE who broke down the film of he the cardnals game they would tell you Mykal had a pretty darn good game, and he was coming off missing a few weeks do to injury. Forget last year, In reality it’s like Mykal is a rookie. The ONLY thing that translate from last year for the kid is experiencing the speed of the game, and experiencing man coverage which is sonething he never did in college…if this w s his rookie year, you would probably think he was a promising player…you are judging him way too soon, if next December! I’m wrong I will make sure to personally apologize to you

          • Richard Colton

            QBs actually require 14 years of gametime to come into their own. I’m excited to see what Vick will do next year.

          • GEAGLE

            Shot FIRED!!! Lol….who will be the first to answer? #7? Dutch?

          • Richard Colton

            wishful thinking. they’re on the Panther’s fan blog, yeasting up Cam Newton.

          • GEAGLE

            Hahaha I wouldn’t be surprised..Cams fast lol

          • Andy124

            So is Marcus Hayes… smh

          • anon

            All of the other guys have done better in the new scheme. Even Wolff is playing better as a late round rookie than Kendricks through the first half of the year. Kendricks is lucky he shares the inside with Meco who’s probably more of a stud than we give him credit for. Goode came in and outplayed Kendricks.

            I like he guy — and i don’t want to call any eagle a bust, but he’s not (yet) playing on the level of people picked around him. Good thing is he has plenty of time to improve.

          • GEAGLE

            This is misguided thinking…don’t be fooled by other players having instant success in new schemes, everyone is different. Wolff might start, but you’d be foolish to think he is asked to do what we ask of Mykal. Kendricks is an intricate part of our game plans, we use him in every way you can image. Not only do we ask him to do everything you ask of ILB but we also give him some OLB responsibility…He is one of the more versatile pieces we have, this we put a lot on his plate…btw, you are out your friggin mind if you actually delusionally let yourself believe that Wolff is playing better than Mykal.

          • anon

            I was trying to find someone to compare him to — that’s hard since we don’t draft a lot of D players. My point on good still stands, you could look at cox, curry, thorton, etc. Of guys making a transition i think he’s having the most trouble, which says a lot considering what cole is doing

          • anon

            Hahahaha

        • bentheimmigrant

          Meh, it’s all in how you put it. If you’re going to show up, and say something likely to cause an argument with 5 words, that’s probably trolling… You could have backed up your point the first time.
          But as for the stats, I think he’s improved. He was really bad at the start of the season, and I was worried he’d be a long-term liability, but he seems to have himself more under control now. Definitely on the up. I’d be interested in seeing these numbers across the season, maybe with a 3 or 4 game moving average.

          • BleedGreenJames

            That was actually a childish way for me to kick start this discussion, for that I apologize.

        • theycallmerob

          to play devil’s advocate, I think much of Kendricks’ development (like many of 2012′s rooks) was stunted by the disgrace of a football team that played last year in the Eagle’s unis. Cox, Curry, Kendricks, Boykin….3 of the 4 have been showing steady improvement all year long. Just like the DL, going from Washburn’s 9-tech to 2gap 34 (and for MK, olb–>ilb) is a big difference. Was just showing better form and, IMO, improving before missing a few games with that injury this year.
          Not saying that he’s on his way to being a star or anything. Just think it’s too early to call him a bust.

    • greenblood20

      I don’t how all these fools keep judging players that have not even come close to their prime. I bet you thought Foles was going to be a bust after his first game too…

      • Andy124

        That was actually a childish way for me to kick start this discussion, for that I apologize.

        Time to call off the dogs people. :)

      • anon

        Kendricks did start last year and all of this year. He Foles had played 2-3 Dalls performances to start off this year then yeah we’d be wondering.

  • George

    McManus is a dumb nitwit. If the Eagles beat the Lions on Sunday, ship Tim’s freaking butt to Detroit! Eagles 35 Lions 17

  • anon

    Kubiak fired — wonder if we can get Andre Johnson next year…

    • Andy124

      So it’ll be brand new coach who gets to see what he can do with Bridgewater. That could be a quick turnaround.

      I also think Kubiak won’t be unemployed very long.

      • cliff henny

        see him taking over in Washington, or maybe owner will give shanarat one more yr if he fires kid and get kubiak as OC

        • Andy124

          Seems very logical, which means Snyder won’t do it. Whew, was worried for a second.

          How ’bout Minnesota with AP and a high draft pick to hopefully (for them) land a QB.

          • cliff henny

            good spot…honestly, my first thought when read Minne/qb is glad Foles is taking that option away. it’s fun to speculate, but so many teams just spend yrs chasing qbs.

      • Adam

        Whoever get’s that job is 2014 COTY candidate. Talented roster and high first round pick. It’s going to be a quick turnaround.

      • GEAGLE

        I wouldn’t take a QB if I was them…I’d have Clowney coming off the edge right next to JJ WATT and collapse the left side of every Oline they ever face…you can get a QB with the top pick in round 2

        • Andy124

          Good point.

        • anon

          they still have no secondary. plus gotta score points in this league. but agree watt plus clowney would be silly if clowney is what we think he is.

        • cliff henny

          sorry, i disagree. if he’s franchise qb, then it’s a no-brainer. i’d rather spend 2nds and 3rds trying to find 10-12 sack guy than a legit starting qb.

          • Andy124

            Good point.

          • theycallmerob

            I don’t disagree with what you’re saying in theory; just the realities of this draft. Really think TB is that good to take 1 overall and hedge the franchise? I just don’t see it in him, but can’t say i’ve watched all his games.

          • cliff henny

            plenty of ‘ifs’ around TB right now for sure, clowney isnt without them too. if i’m a gm, have qb rated that high, be tough to walk away from. funny how timing of top pick matters, like how sixers ended up with turner,who was legit #2, and last yr eagles werent pressured to take qb and that allowed for foles. lane johnson could be pretty important pick when we look back in 3 yrs for couple different reason.

          • Brian

            Do you think the FO was high-fiving after the Foles pick? Or, did they wait until November ended?

          • GEAGLE

            I don’t disagree with you guys in theory,I just don’t believe in teddy

    • BlindChow

      Guess the “fake a stroke on the sideline” sympathy gambit didn’t pay off like he thought it would…

    • theycallmerob

      wait, what? I got to ask: how does your first point lead to your second?

      AJ will be 33 this summer. He’s also signed through 2016, to the tune of 12mil/16mil/14.5mil. We’ve got DJax to pay. Can’t see even Andre being worth all that.
      Still, doubt he’s even available

  • Honest_T

    Two Points:
    1) Tempo will matter in Sunday’s game. The Lions are no where nearly as well conditioned as we are, and if we keep their D (especially the DLine) running, they will get tired, hurt, and make mistakes.

    2) I expect a lot of short passes Sunday, which means Foles will get hit by at least 1 cheap shot from Suh. I wouldn’t be surprised to see Vick seal the victory for the Birds on Sunday.

    • GEAGLE

      Why would you even say that

  • Dominik

    “Commissioner Ramsey also broke down the level of arrests across the NFL by position.”

    Guy sounds like a cool dude – with some free time. :D