Williams To Cards: Let’s Not Be Crybabies

Eagles CB Cary Williams on fieldCary Williams took a long pause before giving his reply. A reporter brought up the fact that Bruce Arians submitted some 15 plays to the league for review following the Cardinals’ narrow loss to the Eagles Sunday. After digesting that news like one might a box of nails, Williams began.

“Let’s not be crybabies, man,” he said. “I thought the refs kept them in the game to some degree at times. But it’s football, man. It’s about going out there and executing. If they came in here with a different attitude, maybe not so nonchalant, thinking it was going to be a cakewalk…

“I’m not big on teams sending stuff in, and ‘This is what needs to be called.’ Play the game, dude. It’s football, man. Either you come in and win or you blame it on the refs. Don’t blame it on the refs, blame it on your preparation that week. I’ve never been a fan of coaches sending stuff into the refs unless it was blatant. To me I didn’t think there was anything blatant out on the field.”




Arians began his day-after press conference by telling the media that 'there were obviously problems in the ballgame" and that the team had sent some 15 plays to NFL vice president of officiating Dean Blandino for review.

“That’s pretty high,” Arians said of the number of plays sent to the league. “I think that’s considered a problem.”

Arians' words and actions did not sit well with Williams.

"We're all grown men. You lost, man. It's a game that you felt like you should have won. Well, you should have come out and played a little better, you should have coached a little better, whatever was going on. I heard a lot of stuff about Bruce Arians talking. You know how I feel about those Pittsburgh guys, anyway."

Arians was an assistant coach in Pittsburgh from 2004-2011. Williams, a former Raven, has a distaste for any Steeler, past or present. Arians did nothing to change that attitude, apparently.

"I don't know," said Williams, "I guess they were on a hot streak, and they want some calls."

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  • JReamer

    I’m really loving Cary Williams, sconces aside. I love his attitude. Obviously sometimes the play leaves a bit to be desired but we’ve not had a secondary member with this outlook in a while.

    • anon

      Says all the right things you know he’s bringing that intensity to the lockerroom. He’ll give up 150yds a game, but he’ll make that big time pick or pass breakup so i’ll let him live. Great FA addition, much better than people thought he’d be pre-season. So many haters.

      • GEAGLE

        Just like I promised!!!!

        • anon

          Just like I promised!

          • GEAGLE

            Stop it, I was talking about signing him in November lol just breakin them…I’m just glad to see people finally appreciate the mad dog that Howie added

      • Adam

        He’s not even 150 yards/game bad. Most he gave up according to PFF is 113 against GB. Averaging about 52 yards/game.

        NFL QB rating of of 76.7 with 2 TD’s allowed and 3 INT’s.

        • JofreyRice

          eh, yeah, but in full disclosure, they also rate him as 90th out of 112. Think they could have done better on the field, the guy just gives up too many catches. I do like these comments, though. I never realized what a fat, whiny blowhard Arians was until these past couple of weeks.

      • Richard Colton

        I was a hater. Thought he was a me-first DRC clone. I was wrong – he’s just nuts. says the first thing that pops into his head no matter what. It took me some time to warm up to his attitude. Now I love him.

        SCONCE FOR LIFE!!!!

        • GEAGLE

          My man!!! Welcome..I told you I would save a seat for you on the agent 26 WAR WAGON!! We need to Cme up with some sconces type gang signs to throw up!!

        • Bob A

          He said “Sconces..I’m depending on you son, to make the winning pick…to shut the wideout down.. it’s allllll left up to you….”.

      • Joe from Easton

        I couldn’t be more pleasantly surprised by Cary. It seems like every time I scream at the TV for him giving up easy plays on second or third and long, he makes a game changer the next play. Case in point; this week. He gave up a third and 13 and I’m just screaming, “wtf is this soft $hit?! When are you going to man up and make a big play when we nee… oh wait, int #26! YEAAAA!!!”

    • DirtyWaters

      I think I would rather have Employee #26 be our Good Will Ambassador or whatever Hugh was than our starting CB. The guy’s a walking sound bite. Maybe he can be Director of Media Relations. Love him.

    • Shane Brown

      His attitude is definitely welcome in my eyes. Way better than going out to your car to eat lunch lol

      • Joe from Easton

        Yea, he seems like the kind of dude who would walk out and steal nnamdi’s lunch out of his lap, then call him a punk. haha

  • Clamdigger

    I love it. He was screaming at Chung when he came flying in and hit him on a tackle too. Dude doesn’t take sh*t from anyone.

    • GEAGLE

      After how soft we were last year….THIS locker room was DESPERATE for a MAD DOG!!! Imagine what a kid like Cox must think? He spent his rookie year with veterans like DRC and NNamdi….now he comes back for his second year, and this Ferocious Pyscho is actually hitting people, demanding toughness, holding teamates accountable…..I was really worried about the SOFT SISSINESS our talented young kids were exposed to last year…SOOO thankful to finally see a dog or two in midnight green again

      • anon

        Exactly what we needed. I was hoping for a James Harrison type of player, but i’m glad that Howie saw how this kid got under people’s skins last year and wanted some of that. And no tantrums this year – i think Kelly broke him of that during pre-season. He really is a great all around coach.

        • GEAGLE

          I also like how he compliments Bradley…both have the size, so you can just let them stay on their sides of the field instead of needing one to constantly move all over the place chasing an opponents top WR… Cary brings The FIRE, Bradley brings the cool ICE….I love that they both have size, are physical and each hold down their own side. playmaking burner like Boykin is literally the perfect Nickle compliment.

          Just wait til you see how much better Bradley!Boykin and Cary are next year after another 6 months of gelling together, and when they are playing behind and improved pass rush AND getting better safety help…this Defense is well on it’s way,,,
          ….
          We are talking about a defense that hasn’t given up more than 21 points in what? 8? 9? Straight games….if you take yards out of the equation, our defense for the past two months is closer to Seatle,Carolina!KC then it is to bottom dwellers like Washington….Just wait til our guys have some more experience and time together and add a few more players…we will be BACK as a defense much sooner than people think

          • anon

            Exactly i think they all work well together.

          • GEAGLE

            Yes sir, and “working well together” is SOOO important!

            last year, not only did you see players who didn’t work well together, pointing at each other, eating their lunch in their car to get away from each other….but even worse is we saw a coaching staff that didn’t work well together…

            this TEAM is UNITED, from coaches to Players. You don’t see guys playing selfish. You see guys fighting for each other, having each other’s back, working hard, holding each other accountable…
            ….
            We aren’t a favorite to win anything…but I don’t care what anyone says..A team that is:
            UNITED
            HEALTHY
            HUNGRY
            Improving every week
            winning the turn over margin….
            is a DANGEROUS team!

    • BlindChow

      I imagine Chung looking all sad afterwards, lowering his head, knowing he must have done something wrong, like a puppy who had an accident in the living room but can’t quite grasp yet why his master is scolding him.

  • cliff henny

    best part is ‘he took a pause’ to compose his thougts, assuming he was trying to be more pc/less insulting…imagine what he really wanted to say.

    • GEAGLE

      Hahahahah true that….has cupids arrow hit you yet regarding CDub? Or do you need to see Mr. December in action before you are convinced? Either way,,.Agent 26 will BULLY his way into your hearts!!! :)

      • cliff henny

        mon-sat, guy is really growing on me. but Sundays, it’s like he’s playing a game inside the game…how much his soft coverage and easy completion can piss me off till all of a sudden, the cat decides to make a play.
        .
        though i agree, think if eagles sign byrd, with wolff yr older, now cbs can play little tighter. still like bend but dont break-just not many offenses can continuously have 10-12 play drives, especially with young olb playing kill the qb and ball-hawking safety…maybe it just wont be so bendy.

        • bentheimmigrant

          I thought of your game inside a game when he made that pick. It’s too true.

  • GEAGLE

    I told everyone this city would fall In love with C-Dub..agent 26!!!!

    mr. December, Cary F’in Wiliams is a godsend to our Locker room…When we signed him I wrote about how he would demand toughness from his team mates, not be afraid to check a team mate when he isn’t doing what he is supposed to be doing..

    I think Cary and Connar were the perfect leadership compliments to Demeco.

    I love this kid..probably my favorite Eagle more so than Folesy. dude battles and fights everime he steps on the field! and it seems like everyone else is fighting by his side….Nate Allen had no one in the secondary to hld him accountable last year..
    ..
    Everyone talks about needing to upgrade CB, I think that’s a mistake!!! You think we are seeng the best Cary and Brad that we will see? like everyone else, they will be better next year after we have had more time to gel. if we are going to the playoffs, that most likely means our CBs have to elevate their game and come up HUGE this month..They passed the Carson,Floyd,Fitz test(with Chung as their “help”lol)..They will spend the rest of the month battling:
    Stafford,Calvin!Burleson
    cutler, Alshon,Marshall
    Romo, Dez. Williams

    if they hold their own against Those dangerous opponents in December and get us to the playoffs. Talking about replacing them is crazy talk!!! No matter how happy we are with Nate and Wolffs emergence, we NEED and WILL get better safety help next year. WOrst case scenario Nate and Earl will be a year more experienced and be more cohesive. or Howie could look to bring in a better player than Nate. Either way Cary and Bradley will get better safety help next year! and a better pass rush in front of them. Im telling Yous right now, we can’t get to the playoffs without those two holding their own…if we go to the playoffs, then I can assure you Cary!Brad and Boykin will be the starting CBs NEXT year!!

    For me CB,OL.DL are positions you take late round or Undrafted fliers on every year hoping you get lucky and strike gold with The next Richard Sherman…so I do believe a CB or two will be added this offseason, I just don’t expect it to be a major investment like a top 150 pick or a starter in FA, a flier is what I expect

    • NineseveN

      I think it would be a mistake to get rid of Williams, he brings a level of intensity that as you are fond of noting, is very much needed here. I don’t see Fletcher the same though, he could go and I’d be fine if it was an upgrade. His longevity concerns me. Not every corner on your team will be a Revis-type or even a pro-bowler; Sconces can play the game, even if not at that level, so why not for us based on the other stuff he brings to the table (toughness and attitude)?

      • GEAGLE

        Both will be starting here for ATleast next season. I think Chip adores him

      • bentheimmigrant

        Fletcher is playing much better ball than Williams. Cary is just easy pickings out there.

        • anon

          No one on the team has the same intangibles.

          • bentheimmigrant

            And apparently i don’t value them like you do. I appreciate his passion, but for me it doesn’t make up for his mediocre play.

          • anon

            I think that’s fair, can be frustrating to see him give up yards but he makes a critical play every game. Noone ever gets behind him, sure tackler. If not for Chung you don’t see that Fitz TD on sunday. But i think his mentality makes everyone play better / harder.

          • bentheimmigrant

            Oh man, don’t get me wrong… If I could get chung cut tomorrow by letting cary start next year I’d probably go for it. Davis needs credit for maximising Williams’ abilities, but it’s not something I hope he has to scheme around next year.

          • cliff henny

            c-wills signed in effect a 2 yr contract. ’14 cap val 6.4 w/ 3.3 dead. doubt he’ll see ’15s, CV 8.2 w/ 1.6m dead.

          • bentheimmigrant

            Good point.

        • GEAGLE

          The only EASY pickings on this defense is Chung! Once Cary starts to trust the safety help he gets! his coverage will tighten up ad he won’t give up as much underneath…This time next year, I want to rehash this convo

          • bentheimmigrant

            I hope you’re right. But i think he’s not far from his ceiling.

          • GEAGLE

            He was picked on by Peyton and Brady in the playoffs and they both FAILED and were sent home while Cary was sipping SB champaign…when he won the Super Bowl he had about a year and a half of game experience/continuity under his belt..

            I’m sorry, but if you can win a friggin SB with Cary Williams as your starting CB, then in my mind, it’s best to allocate our resources into improving other positions…

            I really do believe once this team really gels, and he trusts his safety help you will see a better Cary playing tighter coverage. Now he won’t ever be a shutdown guy, but he is the reigning SB champion CB…and in my mind, the ONLY time a raining SB player isn’t good enough for us, is if
            A) Old age hits him and he is slower or injured more then he was when he won the SB
            B) A guy who gets content by winning a SB and signing a contract with his next team.li have seen PLENTY of those players…and from the way Cary is battling! he clearly isn’t one of those players…

            Give the guy another year, with a better pass rush, and HIGH QUALITY Consistent safety help, and I’m pretty sure we will be pleased with him

          • bentheimmigrant

            I don’t care if he has a ring or who he played in the past. His play in Eagles’ green is ok at best, and he continues to give easy yards. He hasn’t particularly impressed me with his hitting, and he gave up on on that play the other week where Boykin chased the guy down the left sideline and got dragged. He’s been all bark and barely any bite, but manages to pull out one good play a game.

          • Andy124

            Sounds like a pretty big upgrade over last year to me. (Neither here nor there, I know. It’s intentional).

          • bentheimmigrant

            Definitely. He’s been a good enough stopgap, and he was one of the best options, considering our needs last year.

          • Andy124

            Actually, I don’t think upgrading Sconces next year is all that likely. Hopefully, BPA brings us a CB in the second round after Clowney falls to us at the 32nd pick of the first round.

            Out second round CB sits for a year, gaining experience by filling in with Fletcher is dinged. Then in ’15, new guy is ready to take over for Sconces, or, if Fletcher’s fragility becomes a major issue, takes over for him.

            Crux of the argument is being reluctant to plug a rookie CB in to the starting lineup.

        • Maggie

          Maybe you keep someone like Williams because he makes the others better. Like trainers of thoroughbreds keep an old horse or dog or goat around because their racehorse needs the company.

  • Bdawkbdawk

    Arian’s is taking a lot of crap for this, but I don’t think it is necessarily terrible. His players were pretty heated during and after the game. And for an old school “tough guy” football coach who is trying to impart/continue an old school tough guy defensive attitude, I get it. Some of the calls were soft/borderline. If he sent in the plays because he wants to let his team know that he is fighting for them, and he wants the players to move on, I think its a good strategy. He is essentially saying, worry about the game on the field and I’ll deal with the league/officials. Moreover, he could try to harness this anger/indignation into some very important division games that are quickly approaching.
    I know Chip does things very differently and I love Chip’s process, but there is more than one coaching style. And as long as Arian’s doesn’t whine, I think the way he handled this could prove effective.

    • NineseveN

      If he was doing it for his team, he would have told his team during meetings and left it at that. Instead, he told the world via a press conference with the media, which is indicative of exactly what it’s being characterized as here by Sconces, Arians being a big crybaby.

      • GEAGLE

        I actually think he is actually crippling his team Instead of helping them..what kind of message is he sending? The message you want to send is THIS is football, THIS is WAR, you Kick ass, take names, overcome ANY adversity, No excuses, us against the world….I would really really be upset if our coach ever acted this way…

        if I’m him, and I Genuinly had a problem with how that many plays were called, I would send a video to the league! I would just make sure to hide it from my players and the media…it really sends a weak message to your guys. It’s an excuse. you don’t want your guys mAking excuses, you want your guys to battle and find a way to win no tater what happens during those 60 minutes

      • Bdawkbdawk

        By the way, if you want context, this was the one of the first things Arians said:
        “I’ll say this, refereeing did not determine us losing the football game. We didn’t make enough plays”

        So, I disagree. I think this puts the issue to rest. If these calls happenned against us or if heaven forbid the fail mary happenned to the Eagles, I would be through the roof. Local media would go nuts. The city already goes crazy when Chip doesn’t throw the challenge flag for three yards of field position in a victory.That’s why I don’t think it’s wrong that Arians addressed it publicly. Otherwise, he’s fielding questions and the players are fielding questions about it all week.

        Arian’s could have voiced his complaints in a smarter way, but I’m not going to sit here like other people on the boards and call him a crybaby. Yea, yea no excuses, sure. But how many times have you seen comments about spygate on these pages? Or the fact that we can never get a freaking holding call against the Giant’s Oline? Some of us have short memories.

        • Michael Jorden

          Well, that sounds good, but it’s more like “We didn’t make enough plays, BUT… “. Publicly airing out his grievances against the refs in the game afterwards deflates the whole “refs didn’t cost us the game” comment. I don’t think too many people would argue that the Eagles in 2004 had their opportunites to win that SB. Spygate isn’t why we lost, but it was an insult and really tarnished the game. Comparing Arians post-game gripes with Spygate is a serious difference in degree.

          • Andy124

            Totally agree. At the same time, I’m a generous fellow and willing to consider it nothing more than a PR f-up.

          • Bdawkbdawk

            First, I disagree with the addage that refs are never the reason a team loses. Sometimes you play well enough to win and the refs blow a call and you lose. Sure, you maybe should have converted that third down right before halftime and done other things to help your team, but what does that matter? you didn’t do those things, the game was close, you made a play, and in that independent moment, a ref can make a call that awards you with what you have earned or strip you of what you are due. Now whether you want your team focused on better 3rd down efficiency or the fact that you got screwed is a different issue.

            Second – Of course it’s a serious difference in degree. It’s an extreme example that supports my point. So many people on our boards are acting like it’s a difference in type. As in, either you’re a “kick ass” warrior no excuses team, or you speak out when you believe your team has been wronged and youre a automatically a “crybaby” whiny loser. That false dichotomy is crap.
            And it might even be in your team’s best interest to complain publicly. Refs are human. Human enough that home crowds recieve a statistically significant number of calls more than away teams. If you think public complaints help, go for it.
            Ultimately it’s very easy to win and then mock an opponent for their perceived excuses. But when the eagles lose again as I’m sure one day in the future they will, and there are questionable calls, everybody is going to forget that “real men” don’t make excuses.

        • NineseveN

          What Arians said was no different than someone saying, “I don’t mean to be rude but…” who then proceeds to be rude. They did mean to be rude, what they didn’t intend is to expose themselves to being called out for their behavior.

          And it doesn’t put the issue to rest if he keeps on complaining about it. https://soundcloud.com/siriusxmsports/the-officiating-in-the-nfl-has (courtesy of http://igglesblitz.com/)

          As far as Eagles fans complaining about the refs, I don’t care about fans, “fan” is short for fanatic, which tends to be someone so devout that they sometimes defy reason and have a biased perspective. Arians is not a fan. Arians is not a member of the media who gets paid to write insightful and inciting opinion; Arians is a professional coach and I’d expect him to act like one instead of being a crybaby because he failed to prepare and coach him team to a win that they apparently think they deserved.

          Do you think Kelly loved every call in that game? Of course not. Go look at his response for an example of how a professional with a winner attitude handles it. I can see debating one huge game-altering controversial call like the “Fail Mary” or what the refs did to the Redskins against the Giants last week at the end of the game, but 15 calls? Give me a break.

    • BlindChow

      It was also for Cardinals fans, too. I bet they all think he’s badass for challenging the officiating.

    • Dan

      Problem is he should be worrying about performance not a couple plays. If a team plays the game they think they should play, one or two calls aren’t going to make a difference.

  • Julio

    The guy who we bash for buying home decor turns out to be the baddest mofo on the team. LMAO

  • Justin

    Hey Brucie, did you send them this “phantom hold”?

    • GEAGLE

      Screw the hold…I still can’t get over powers face guarding Cooper.
      ..
      I KNEW we would pick on the pigeon Powers and the shorter safeties with our TEs, you look at that defense and it’s OBVIOUS where you will try to attack them…Cooper picking on powers was a major part of our gameplan, and it’s disturbing how much the refs bailed that kid out

      • TNA

        Not to piss all over this party, but the most obvious faceguarding non-call was when Chung completely face-guarded that AZ receiver who got his hands on the ball behind Chung’s head while Chung was facing him and jumping into him. That should’ve been called, even in this game of uneven calls.

        • Richard Colton

          Look again. Chung was face-guarding an Eagles receiver. I’m not sure how he got out there on offense either.

          • cliff henny

            wolff really needs to get healthy. with the chunger playing, it’s almost 12 vs 10 at times

          • GEAGLE

            is it just me, or has he been regressing instead of improving as the season goes on? He was never good, but I don’t remember him being THIS bad in September….

            The faster we can get to Chung being a full time ST player, the Better off our defense will be

          • anon

            I like Chung i want t give him a pass b/c he was injured for several games, but yeah he made some bad plays. He looked so good pre-season and early in the year. But we’ve always known coverage isn’t his best skill.

          • cliff henny

            might have been everyone was so new, step slow, etc…that he didnt look as bad as he did in NE. his rep there was terrible angles, and didnt play ball in air well. it’s just alot more obvious now.

          • therealpistolp

            Double agent Patrick Chung… The Green Widow

        • GEAGLE

          I don’t dispute that at all…but I felt like I had a problem with Powers on Cooper on ATleast 3 occasions..That’s a lot for one particular match up, especially when it’s one of the main match ups our game plan was designed to exploit…can’t bail out the same player repeatedly.
          ..
          Look there are plenty of plays I had a problem with for both teams. I thought refs missed calls, and I thought some calls they made were bad…but I really don’t see how one side got an advantage over the other from the refs..

    • TNA

      And as Fran Duffy showed on Eagle Eye in the Sky, Casey, was (not as Arians and the AZ players would lead you to believe) trying to release and run a route. He was running an underneath (lo) route parallel to Ertz hi route. It was the same play on which Ertz scored his touchdown.

      • GEAGLE

        Blatant holding…you can’t stop our number 1 option on a play from running his route. he was supposed to be in the flat, Shaughnssy literally had his jersey in his hand and kept Casey from getting into the flat…and they tried to use that BOGUS, you can’t make that call at such a crucial point in the game…are they KIDDING ME?bYOU HAVE to make that call especially at that point. It’s crucial. we called out that Casey was an eligible WR, you can’t hold his jersey and keep our number 1 read on a critical lay from running his route…
        ….
        THe FACT that THAT particular play is one of their major complaints makes my blood bubble…plenty of plays I would even agree with bruce on, but complaining about that play is just pathetic.

        • Joe from Easton

          I couldn’t believe that they were trying to say he was trying to disengage from a block and that’s why his hand was extended or when the announcers couldn’t seem to understand how that was a hold. Sometimes my mind is blown when announcers open their mouths.

  • DEBO 215

    Sconces is right…STFU Bruce.

    • GEAGLE

      Fiery Sconces is ALWAYS right

  • TNA

    Someone should ask Geathers how Arians addressed these situations in the locker room outside the view of the media.

  • DEBO 215

    Random thought but how great is it to not have Nnamdi Asomugha back there just tripping over his own gangly ass legs and getting smoked routinely?

  • Dominik

    “I heard a lot of stuff about Bruce Arians talking. You know how I feel about those Pittsburgh guys, anyway.””

    Made me laugh.

  • BlockingBack

    New reality show: “Who’s Whining Now?”
    Don’t the Eagles send in “officiating reviews” weekly, maybe a half-dozen or so? Will they release that info? Probably not because they don’t want to look like complainers. Would like to see league stats for each team, not just how many plays they send in for review, but what percentage the league agrees with the team. Gotta be way higher % than they number of lame plays a WR begs for a hold/interference call. Along with player of the week awards, there should be f.o. whiner awards. –

    • Michael Jorden

      One thing to send in some plays, another to make a media presentation and whine event out of it. Arians does seem like a sorehead. Has to sting a bit letting that college coach put a L on him and throw the brakes on his hot rollin team.

    • Maggie

      Every team sends the coaches’/general managers’ evaluation of officials every week. s others have said, they do NOT make a public spectacle of themselves most of the time. I used to like Arians myself, but not so much lately.

  • Weapon Y

    And to think there was a time when I liked Bruce Arians and couldn’t stand Cary Williams. Give em Hell, Sconce!

  • Don

    Enjoy your pyrrhic victory Eagles fans, maybe next time you can actually win a game with skill instead of a ref needing to end it for you.

    • John

      Being down 24-7 with 2 INT’s and a fumble are why you lost. not the ref’s.

    • livingonapear

      You. Never. Had. A. Lead.

      Not once. Not even for a single second. It was a good comeback attempt that got short circuited by some questionable calls. but then again, the Eagles lost a chance to put you away with a questionable call. Stuff happens.

      But the fact remains: You never had a lead.

    • IAteLunchToday

      Wikipedia : A Pyrrhic victory is a victory with such a devastating cost that it is tantamount to defeat. Someone who wins a Pyrrhic victory has been victorious in some way; however, the heavy toll negates any sense of achievement or profit.

      The Eagles lost nothing. There was no heavy toll to negate their actual victory. In fact, they gained the tie-breaking advantage for the wild card spot over Arizona. If, during this game, they had lost Foles, McCoy, and Jackson, then it would absolutely have been a “Pyrrhic victory.” Either pay attention in school, learn to use google.com (a website that you use to search for stuff you want to know or don’t know about like Pyrrhic victories for example), or watch JEAPORDY! and look up stuff you didn’t know the answer to like I do… using that google website that I told you about.

  • Cowboy

    Wait until Williams goes to Dallas and Dez gets the calls. Remind him not to be a CRY BABY and take it like a man!