Wake-Up Call: Celek And the Sports Science Factor

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Photo | Howard Smith-USA TODAY Sports

The media hit the sports science angle pretty hard on Tuesday before players  took off to enjoy their bye week. With a grueling 11 weeks in the books and the stretch run fast approaching,  there is a natural curiosity about whether Chip Kelly‘s methods have led to fresher bodies, and if the Eagles will hold some kind of advantage over the competition in December because of their meticulous training, conditioning and recovery program.

Opinions vary. Some players and coaches insist it’s been a big difference-maker. Billy Davis said he’s “amazed at the energy and the lack of soft-tissue injuries.”




Cary Williams, meanwhile, said he feels no different at this point in the year than he has in the past. That there are players all across the league that are doing the necessary things to take care of their bodies -- it just doesn't get the attention like it does here in Philly under Kelly.

Pat Shurmur looks at one player in particular to gauge whether the approach is a success.

"The guy I talk to frequently is Brent Celek to see how he's doing because he's a guy that's a very veteran player.  He's a guy that gets out there and plays hard and takes a beating each week," said Shurmur. "I'm kind of watching it, like some of the other people in this building that are new to it.  He's kind of my gauge because we've always had a great relationship.  I ask him how he's feeling, how he's doing.  I see a guy that each week has a high energy level once the game starts.

"Yeah, it works."

Celek agrees. The 28-year old opened some eyes early in the second quarter Sunday against Washington by taking a Nick Foles screen pass and breaking away for a 42-yard gain and a near-touchdown. He hit a gear that we haven't seen since...I'm not sure when.

We know about the sleep monitors and the heart monitors, as well as the GPS devices loaded with sensors that the players wear on the uniform to measure things like agility, force and acceleration. More locked behind closed doors and zipped mouths. There is an element of mystery to the thing, with former Navy Seal turned Eagles sports science coordinator Shaun Huls kept largely in the shadows.

But a lot of it is pretty basic.

"I mean we have massage people here every single day," said Celek. "We use foam rollers. We do a lot of soft tissue work, that type of stuff, stretching. Anything to maintain your body. Simple stuff, man. Sleeping."

Mychal Kendricks added that hydrating is a big part of it. "We drink a lot of water. A lot," he said.

Innovative coach with a new-age approach to taking care of his athletes. It's a catchy story line, and generally speaking an accurate one. But it's probably overhyped, as Williams suggested. The NFL attracts the sport's finest, including those that specialize in fine-tuning professional athletes. Part of the key is having a good pitch man to sell players on doing the right thing. The Eagles definitely seem to have that in Kelly.

"I don't think [there was any apprehension]," said Celek regarding Kelly's methods. "It makes sense. He wants you to be hydrated, he wants you to sleep better, he wants you to eat right and he wants you to take care of your muscles. Makes sense to me.

"I feel pretty good. I just hope it keeps going."

WHAT YOU MISSED

When did Foles pop on the Eagles' radar? And how is the team viewing the QBs recent play? We talked to Howie Roseman about it.

Sheil offers 10 observations on the defense after re-watching the game. His take on the offense can be found here.

The Eagles' chances of making the playoffs are going up.

Kelly talks about what went into the hiring of his coaching staff.

WHAT THEY'RE SAYING

ESPN has the Eagles 12 in their latest power rankings.

The Eagles moved up two spots, their smallest weekly change in ages. But the really interesting aspect of this week’s rankings, from the Eagles’ perspective, is the company they are in. When they come out of this week’s bye, they will have five games left. Four of the five are against teams within two spots of the Eagles on this week’s chart: No. 10 Chicago, No. 11 Detroit, No. 13 Arizona and No. 14 Dallas.

So the Eagles’ push to hang onto their lead in the NFC East will be made mostly against teams with similar records and levels of strength. They are beyond the toughest part of their schedule -- facing Nos. 1 and 3 in the first month -- as well as the easiest part.

Les Bowen gives some thoughts on Foles and his future.

Kelly can run his offense effectively with Foles. The question is, does he really want to? Does he walk off the field after games like this last one and think that if he had "my quarterback," the offense would have been even better, and there would have been no need for a late Brandon Boykin interception to seal the deal?

We probably won't know that until the draft arrives, unless Foles wins the Super Bowl.

COMING UP

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  • Johnny Domino

    Scones knows sports science. Always has, always will.

    • DirtyWaters

      He’s a legend. I’ve been following his career since he cured smallpox. His Nobel prize acceptance speech was his most riveting oratation until he explained why missed voluntary minicamps. Thanks for keeping it interesting, Cary.

      • GEAGLE

        You are forgetting the Cary Williams school of sliding….Love me some fiery sconces. I believe his competitiveness, feisty/nastiness has worn off on the defense..you know Cary will get into Nate and not allow him to play soft…Billy dee! Sconces, Barwin, Lyght…someone got stella(Nate Allen) her groove back, and it certainly wasn’t NNamdi, DRC and Bowles

        • DirtyWaters

          I believe he was going to let his best friend and lab assistant Riley Cooper teach the sliding class…I totally agree about his contagious attitude. Nate made a hit Sunday in the first half to prevent a first down that wouldn’t have happened last year.

          • GEAGLE

            Yeah almost every game now I’m seeing him make plays where I think, no way he woulda done that last year….I thought it was too late for Nate. Like a defective dog that needed to be euthanized…if his contract wasn’t expiring I wouldn’t mind seeing him next year..I was WRONG. About Nate, and it takes a lot of balls to feel the wrath of this entire city, and play your way out of it,..Proud of the kid

          • nicksaenz1

            Do you really worry about giving an extenstion to a guy who, up until about week 5 or 6, has played like a #4 WR? No one saw this coming. Said it yesterday, incentive-laden deal, give him a baseline of 2.

          • GEAGLE

            Heck yeah, I absolutely worry!! I respect every position..l would be worried about losing our long snapper if he plays well….forget how good Cooper looks when he plays with a QB who can throw the ball…Even if we were to draft mIke Evans in round 1 AND Another WR in round 2, I would still really value Riley as depth! blocking and madman type of special teams play….and yeah, I absolutely worry about losing a young WR that my young QB has great chemistry with! If Vick were our QB, I probably wouldn’t care

          • nicksaenz1

            You missed the point of my question. In the offseason, or even a few games in, if you’re Howie, are you worrying about giving Cooper an extension? Hadn’t done anything at all and did some stupid ish to cause controversy in preseason. No, if you’re Howie, you’re not worried about resigning him.

          • GEAGLE

            Fair point that I will have to concede…but if it weren’t for N-Word-Gate, then yes I would feel it was a mistake to not extend him…and my desire to extend him comes from the value Chip puts on ST play and Coops chemistry with our young gunslinger..keep in mind that this isn’t the first time Coop has played well…He was FOles number 1 target during last years dysfunctional season

          • nicksaenz1

            That’s just added crap. He did NOTHING prior to week 5 this year. His special teams play and blocking is great, but again, you’re not worrying about giving an extension to Cooper if you’re in Howie’s shoes. He was a #3 or 4 WR coming in.

          • southy

            we have a wide receiver who blocks well but isn’t a great receiver, and we have a TE who catches well but can’t block worth a damn (Ertz)… makes sense to me!

            (holding out hope “Ertzy” can get this fixed)

          • anon

            Eh…his skills are replaceable. I’d like to see him back but he just runs fast and blocks. He’s not going to be running any great routes or getting great separation. Def upgradeable, but he’s probably cheaper than his replacement.

            Do we bring Benn back or is Riley Benn?

          • nicksaenz1

            Safe to say Benn is done. It’s sad. He was a stud coming out of college. But the injuries just don’t stop with him.

          • anon

            Agree, i don’t remember riley having an injury (not that he’s really played before this year). But we know what CK says about availability.

          • Brent E. Sulecki

            riley all day. injury prone is still injury prone.

          • GEAGLE

            Probably shouldn’t ask me, because I love Rejus Benn…think the world of him…it was tough to trust his knees last year, don’t see how you could next year…but I love the guy, so I would be ok with a flier on him

          • cliff henny

            cooper is playing great, but the real question will be money/player vs system. is he doing anything that coaches shouldnt expect out of any skilled #2? non of us want dogcrap put out on the field, but give ertz another yr, jax is still jax, need a speedy slot to control deep middle, that #2 wr is probably a enticing position for players who want to put up crazy numbers.
            .
            what like really like about both qbs this year..great production, let’s just forget numbers, it’s not lucky, or anything that seems unrepeatable. foles is making nice throws, but it’s not like he has to make drew brees like throws over and over, mean that guy hits the smallest windows like rodgers.

          • aub32

            I agree. The best thing to come out of this season is that our coach is legit. He has our stars playing the best ball of their careers and putting up top 3 numbers for their respective positions. Our mediocre guys and role players are performing above what we have seen from them in recent years. Imagine what will happen once he gets hold of some ideal talent.

          • cliff henny

            yup, think cooper is still just an average player, playing well, in a good fit, with a coach getting him in good spots, with a qb making some nice throws…that’s great…it’s all repeatable. not that i would ever want it to happen, but to see how good cooper really is, d-jax needs to miss some time.

          • southy

            Wouldn’t be surprised to see Coop end up on another squad making more than we’d give him. Lots of heart, good blocker, fights for the ball, but the guy STILL gets NO separation on his routes.

          • anon

            that’s my thought too.

          • UncleCarm

            I don’t agree with ‘no separation.’ Most of his catches there is no one within 5 yards.

          • cliff henny

            in fairness to cooper, he been good at catching with no seperation, good at getting early seperation and making wide open catches, and then also getting late seperation when foles throws him open. guys is playing well, just sort of tough to forget past 4 yrs. jeeze be nice if he had just 1 more yr under rookie contract control

          • UncleCarm

            The Cooper contract is tough, but what about the Maclin contract? Knee injuries are typically a 2 year recovery, especially for skill position players. Do the Eagles take chance? Will any other team? Will Maclin be realistic or price himself out of the market? Maclin started that ‘self tackling’ last year which concerned me, but the Eagles were a bad team and I can see why he would want to preserve himself. I would have loved to see what he could do under Kelly, but now we may never know.

          • cliff henny

            i just dont think maclin is physical enough to play next to jax. maclin is a good recr, but need someone who can play slot, especially is cooper is resigned, or can catch the wr screne and run thru tackles. jax just isnt good at those. i love d-jax, he is a limited player, but what he can do, it’s damn good. get a mike evans, or laundry/beckham out of lsu or moncrief out of miss, these guys would be perfect with jax. not huge fan of relying on rookie wrs, but so many are coming out that have played in parts of kelly’s offense, hopefully be much less of a learning curve.

          • anon

            Let him test FA, we can decide to match or look elsewhere — if we take a WR early he needs to call his agent.

            However, given the knee and that he’s had to watch Coop put up numbers while he’s on the bench i think he’ll take a little less to stay.

          • GEAGLE

            Absolutely…he is certainly just an average player….but a good fit, is a good fit….if Riley didn’t like it here so much, I wouldn’t even talk about him because someone will outbid him. But I could see him giving us a hometown discount. YOU NEED DEPTH…and on THIS team, payout depth HAS to BE a ST stud….Riley fits…I’m trying to clean house with WRs…keep Djax,Coop, draft two more WRs, bring Mac back on a prove it rental…I would love to keep Coop for two more years, play next year til the rooks work their way in… And then be a depth player we can count on…injuries HAPPEN! if the price is right, hope we keep him…he happens to work really well with our young QB

          • cliff henny

            so many different ways to go with wrs. doubt it would ever happen, but so many wrs in 2nd and 3rd rds that fit so nicely, like to see 2 get drafted. imagine d-jax, laundry and moncreif, with shady ertz and lyoria. young as F, but man!!!!

          • theycallmerob

            that’s kind of the one unknown with Chip. story of his life is he’s been doing “more with less”. Just when he was getting top recruits to Oregon, he came here.
            Love to see him do More with More

          • aub32

            I think he will get his chance. Chip said it before that unlike in college now players have to play for him if picked or signed. The past 2 drafts and this year’s FAs give me hope that the FO knows what they’re doing. I mean Bennie Logan? Who knew? Getting into the playoffs his first year will be huge in getting FAs that want to be with a contender, and unlike the 2011 guys there won’t be so much entitlement to the guys we sign. Everyone earns their time on the field.

          • UncleCarm

            What I am seeing is that Coop has turned into a great route runner. When they show the isolated replay and you see the route he ran, it is impressive. The route running is part of the reason Foles does not have to hit a small window. Part of that may be system, but a bigger part is good execution by Coop.

          • anon

            ehhhh i don’t know about that, i think option routes and djax helps that.

          • UncleCarm

            Agree with the djax, he occupies other cover guys, but aren’t option routes part of good execution and route running? He seems to be seeing the same thing Foles is and they are resulting in positive plays. Many teams now use option routes, but the Eagles are doing it as good as anybody.

          • southy

            speculating here, but what Coop does well is not separating, but he fights, high points ok, adjusts well to the ball. since Vick doesn’t throw with much anticipation (part of that is just due to his cannon arm, doesn’t need to) he isn’t going to throw it Coop’s way because he just doesn’t look open. Foles will throw to him expecting him to *get* open, and he just does a good job of getting to the ball. might explain the “emergence”

          • anon

            it’s funny b/c Coop was making catches during preseason, i’m surprised that Vick wasn’t trusting that during game day. It’s good to see that we have some RZ threats.

          • BlindChow

            I think it’s potentially worrisome whenever you change something that’s working.

            Sure, you could find a new #2 in the draft, but he could turn out to be AJ Jenkins or Jonathan Baldwin. Or what if we had signed Nicks (assuming he had been a free agent) and he turned in the kind of performance he’s having this year with the Giants?

            I think the only thing going for us in resigning Cooper is the idea that other teams might think he’s Steve Smith. The OTHER Steve Smith.

          • aub32

            I think you extend him before the end of the season. I’d hate to think of getting into a bidding war for Riley Cooper. If nothing else, he’s shown that he can definitely come in and play if someone goes down. He also, like Foles, guarantees that we don’t have to reach for a potential starter.

          • bill

            Agree with this 100%. Cooper is nothing special, but he’s a dependable, big body #2 in this offense. If you can sign him to a reasonable contract, you do it so that you don’t have “needs” when it comes to FA and the draft next year. If he holds out for a big contract, you let him go and find a replacement in FA and hope the FA gives you at least as much as Cooper. The more you can focus on BPA in the draft, the better off your organization will be in the long run.

          • anon

            Agree he took a lot of heat. I’d put him on a prove it deal based on the draft. I think he’s playing better than Chung, obviously we have some STers that can get removed from the books.

          • Brent E. Sulecki

            nate has come to play. I give it up to the coaching. Chung will be gone next year.. he was a rental for this year. and has proven not too great and injury prone himself. wolf for his draft slot has done well. but still need a stud back there. look at guys like donte whitner who struggled his first years in the league. and now for the past 5 or so he has been a legit safety. nate can be that. maybe not a pb player unless he gets better and better but hes proving now to be a def starter

          • theycallmerob

            i agree. better yet, hopefully Wolff becomes that stud, and Allen can remain a decent, starting #2 S.
            There are certainly teams in worse positions; aside from Reid and Vaccaro, almost none of the other “deep” safety picks panned out. Much credit to Howie/Gamble/whoever.

          • Brent E. Sulecki

            yeah I look at those guys vac and reid. and im like why couldn’t we get one. but chip wanted his offensive guys first. im worried wolf is too small. but hope to be proven wrong

          • theycallmerob

            if they had gone S at #4, many many folks would have tried to run Kelly out of town. Don’t think Vaccaro was worth that much. And both went 1st rd, hard to see how they could have gotten there.
            For a 5th round pick to step in and start is impressive, especially at that position (big leap to reading NFL defenses, especially going from 1/2 field to whole field)

          • nicksaenz1

            Cyprien’s doing alright, I thought. Doesn’t help the Jax D is on the field so much.

          • theycallmerob

            reckon so. can’t say I’ve been following him. Definitely the guy we were real close to getting; if Ertz was playing lights-out, doubt anyone would care.
            Real excited to see how Wolff stacks up to those 3 in a year. Still think he’s outplaying guys like Swearinger, Rambo, P. Thomas, jj wilcox, tj mcdonald.
            For me, the best part was seeing Rambo and Wilcox go to division rivals and stink. love it.

          • anon

            to his credit he hasn’t given up and works hard. I think he grew up seeing selfish play back there. Give 100% credit to CK and even Howie — we have a TEAM. Yeah there were tons of FAs that i would have loved to see but we have a group of guys that works and has eachother’s backs. Maybe that’s a product of winning but even if we weren’t winning i’d be impressed by that.

          • Brent E. Sulecki

            well said

          • GEAGLE

            Someone will offer him more than a prove it deal…and I. Don’t like bidding for our own free agents that we chose not to extend…rather pony up an extra 3 mil and get the BYRD man

        • theycallmerob

          Lovett > sconces. I bet Nate punches him out at some point. G-d I hate him

    • Richard Colton

      The only thing that could make this story better is a Cary Williams quote.

    • A Roy

      He probably has his degree in sports science framed and on the wall between two sconces.

    • anon

      He’s got a ring — i’m sure Ravens were doing something right.

      • theycallmerob

        lots of bad players in this league have rings. many of those Ravens owe Flacco a big ol’ thanks

        • aub32

          You mean owe Raheem Moore

          • theycallmerob

            I stand by what I said; he still beat the colts, pats, and 49ers. And to even be in the position for Mr. Moore to screw up, keeping up with Peyton.
            Regardless what else the man does, that was one of the greatest playoff runs ever.

          • aub32

            Ok guy. I was just having a little fun. Flacco was down right special in the playoffs. Too bad for the Ravens that he’s now turned back into the proverbial pumpkin.

          • theycallmerob

            haha, good to have you back. tough season they’re having down here.
            more than Flacco’s play, I’m blown away by how quickly Ray Rice has fallen off a cliff. I don’t remember a RB, especially one as healthy and consistent as him, coming in and stinking up the joint. and with no WRs….team can’t catch a break.
            Nothing like seeing CIN fans getting excited over fool’s gold, though. I’ll take a one-armed Foles over a ginger QB anyday

          • BlindChow

            Rice got his ring. Now he’s retired.

            Actually, Ravens fans have been calling for Juan Castillo’s head apparently. The guy can’t catch a break.

          • theycallmerob

            boy, he is not popular here at all.
            anon and aub pointed out the OL problem, and that’s true…but some of the issues (apparently) are that Juan’s scheme/technique is very different from what they’re used to, and the talent isn’t quite there to pull it off. He was able to mold some hella linemen in his time here, and I’m sure had a hand in drafting some of those guys.
            Funny to see him go there, get the ring (and for the most part, a lot of fans like him as a guy and were happy), and then come in this year and be a part of the problem.

          • anon

            Yeah i don’t know if it’s RR or the O-line but it’s terrible. That said Oregon plays AZ this weekend, wonder if CK and Foles will watch together.

          • aub32

            From what I hear it’s not all on Rice. His O line has just been bad. When they finally opened up some holes he ran for 133 on Sunday.

            CIN woes haven’t been all on Dalton. I haven’t watched all their games, but he definitely played well enough to beat Miami and just couldn’t get help. Some teams just seem to lack the ability to play consistently despite the talent. That’s gotta be on the coach I would think. Right now Foles’ stock is definitely higher than Dalton’s. I hope he can keep it up there and make the playoffs like Dalton has the past two years.

          • nicksaenz1

            Right on with the Cin/Mia game. A TON of dropped passes, even a few from AJ Green, which is rare.

          • theycallmerob

            they (CIN) have also lost what, like 4-5 defensive starters? including the best DT and one of the better CBs in the league?

          • aub32

            Did we trade Fletcher Cox to CIN? (I kid). Sadly they still have more talent than the rest of their division. I really hope they can hold of BAL and PIT. Those teams get so much praise no matter what they do. They are bad teams this year because they made bad decisions in the offseason. It’s time the get called out on it.

          • BlindChow

            Yeah, the Broncos had two return TD’s in that game as well. The fact the Ravens kept coming back was phenomenal.

      • Johnny Domino

        Don’t think Ray is citing him as a reason for their success. Time to hitch his wagon to a new star.

        • anon

          haha i just meant that the Ravens probably have great sports science. Lewis played for 17 years. T sizzle torehis triceps and came back after like 2 weeks. They’ve been an elite team for the last few years – i’m sure they have a good sports science program. I think it’s new(s) to us b/c it’s a big change from what Andy was doing.

    • Sconcable

      Turn it up!

  • nicksaenz1

    The effects vary for everyone. Clearly, Cary Williams is a top notch athlete who doesn’t benefit at all from any of it. But as for the rest of the team, there’s certainly a fair portion of the players that see some results. It’s the same idea as the data that’s used to generate reports for any company: garbage in, garbage out.

    • anon

      Yeah i don’t think he was saying that. I think he was being honest as he always is.

      • nicksaenz1

        I don’t know that he wasn’t saying that. Honest, yes. No disagreement. But he also is the type of guy who thinks he always knows best, or at least that’s the impression I get.

        • Explorer51

          Cary Williams’ gig is being a management contrarian…he’s clearly not a warm and fuzzy coach and GM hugger. Think of his “I’m just employee #26″ schtick. But, seriously, who cares? He was being vilified by much of the fan base before the pre-season started because he said what was on his mind but he still went out and played his ass off. Maybe he’s not the most talented guy but I’ll take him over the disinterested DRC and Nnamdi any day.

          • nicksaenz1

            Why was DRC disinterested, though? He’s ballin’ in Denver now. I think Chip/Billy D could have had him interested.

          • anon

            Yeah feel like they should have kept him during the offseason. I think he’s balling b/c he’s on a contender w/ actual leaders — Denver and Philly ’12 couldn’t be more different teams.

          • nicksaenz1

            Exactly my point. Dude didn’t make the pro bowl in AZ because he’s garbage. Such a dysfunctional locker room last year and lack of leadership, there wasn’t much motivation to play hard. Would certainly prefer a motivated DRC than sconces.

          • anon

            arent we paying him? Frankly i think Sconces bought the attiude that DRC needs. I’d prefer to have DRC, Sconces, Boykin, Fletcher as our CBs. That way when Fletch is out every other game we can play Sconces/DRG. DRC plays better press man, but feel like sconces is a better tackler.

          • nicksaenz1

            No, we’re paying Nnamdi… Agree Sconces is the better tackler. Put them together and you’d have close to a Joe Haden.

          • theycallmerob

            I bet if he was slacking in DEN, Peyton would put a size 12 cleat up his arse.
            Also, maybe he’s taking advantage of certain legislation, enjoying that rocky mountain high. Always known to increase motivation, of course

          • nicksaenz1

            The Peyton point speaks to the lack of leadership last year. He’d be an upgrade over Sconces, IMO. Hindsight obviously. And as for his legislative motivation, it’s a $300 fine in the city up to a certain amount. He would have been okay in that department lol.

    • BlindChow

      There could be some placebo effect. Maybe Williams doesn’t buy in enough to trigger the psychological benefits.

      Or maybe he’s not exerting enough effort to notice any difference, as opposed to someone who’s leaving it all out on the field every day.

      • nicksaenz1

        I was being sarcastic with the Cary Williams comment. It’s just a typical statement from him, IMO

  • Brent E. Sulecki

    Celek def. hit a gear sunday I never have seen since hes been here. that was awesome. wish he got the TD. anyway like Herm Edwards said you are in control now. win the ones in front of you and your good. play for now. 4 out of 5 and no one can touch you.

    • Brent E. Sulecki

      *you’re good…I know

  • GEAGLE

    Teams that have instability at the QB position do not perform the way we have. Teams that lose their Starting QB, simply do NOT rebound the way we have..

    Without our Franchise QB, Mr. FOles, Chip only has 1 win….there isn’t a team that could have handled our issues as well as Chip n Nick did…and I can’t even put into words, what a great sign that is…
    ….
    Unfortunately I still have to listen to friggin MORONS like Misanelli who still continue to spend HOURS talking about how we NEED to draft a QB in round 1 and FOles isn’t the guy….he had the audacity to say that FOles would NEED to win this division, and a playoff game to be the QB next year….what a disgrace!!!!….took UNDRAFTED Romo how many years to win a play off game? How many years did it take Matt Ryan? Stafford is still trying to get a playoff win….if we finish 9-7, that would mean FOles went 8-3 on the season…on a team that everyone says lacked serious talent at crucial position…and to accomplish that before you even have 20 NFL games under your belt, is ridiculously impressive….let’s get it done Folesy and continue to make these “experts”, “analysts” and talking heads look like a joke!

    • nicksaenz1

      To be fair, you don’t HAVE to listen to that doucher Missanelli. You choose to. I refuse to listen to that a$$hat babble about things he clearly knows little about. I called and argued him this past offseason when he was pushing for us to trade our 1st rd pick for Revis. Proof he’s an idiot.

      • anon

        I really like Revis, who doesn’t i guess, just too expensive. I would give a 1st rounder — BUT not then pay him $16mil. Imagine what Revis could teach Boykin and the other guys. I don’t know if he wants to play that role but i’d be watching him all day trying to pick up moves.

        • nicksaenz1

          I want nothing to do with him and I wouldn’t give a 1st rounder for a guy who just came off ACL tear. He’s too quick to be unhappy with his contract and he’s somewhat cancerous in my opinion. Too about himself and not about team. Revis WAS the best corner in the game. That title is between Sherman and Haden, now, with Talib in that discussion, too. Doesn’t help Revis is deployed so much in zone, but you have be versatile as a cover guy.

      • GEAGLE

        So when I’m working, and my options are him, and the other dope on WIP…then yes, I have to listen to him..plus I got pull with Miss, I don’t have to wait on hold. He is a neccessary evil during my work day

        • nicksaenz1

          He sucks.

  • Brent E. Sulecki

    don’t want this to get lost on the other articles…so I will put on the current and new one also, when pertaining to Nick.

    here you go kids:

    don’t blame me I just break it down. but its compelling.

    Nick foles 11 starts.

    5-6 record…. 62% 264/427 3,253 yards passing 22TDs 5 Int. Rating 97.6

    165 yards rushing with 3 TDs

    If those counted for this 2013 season.

    Nick would be:

    3rd in passing yards to Drew and Peyton.

    3rd in touchdowns to Peyton and Drew

    1st in interceptions

    1st in attempts

    4th in completions

    16th in completion %

    7th in QB rating

    8th in rushing yards

    To rg3 Russell Vick kap Alex geno luck

    2nd to cam and luck in rushing TDs

    Tied with kap

    • GEAGLE

      It’s insane how grossly under rated he has always been

      • Brent E. Sulecki

        lets be clear this is NO Hoying or Kolb. this kid with more weapons could be crazy good. the fact that hes up there and setting records with the likes of tom brady and peyton manning, and winning and managing games very well.

        • Brent E. Sulecki

          the stability he has this year with the coaching and offense shows.. last year andy and his guys gave up and mailed it in..the whole team suffered, well now the team and players are getting their just desserts

        • GEAGLE

          Absolutely….backups even very good ones, don’t come in and do what he has done….We have seen backups carry us during the Andy Reid years for stretches when Donovan went down but Garcia and Feely were playing with one of the most talented veteran teams…for Folesy to do what he is doing on such a young and new team is just amazing….you just don’t see teams play better when the starter goes down like we are witnessing…the kid is NO ONES backup!!!

          • Brent E. Sulecki

            every week I hear a new record about him..first it was the 7tds without an int and perfect qb rating..then it was the 10 tds in two games..only he and brady for that. then it was fewest att. to 16tds. passing guys like kurt warner. now those kind of guys are special. I want to see him get to 20+ tds and beat another ridiculous record.

          • GEAGLE

            Yeah… I don’t remember too many backups coming in, and shredding records with a 1-4 team

    • anon

      Try stats for 10 games. Aside from Seattle everyone relevant on that list has had their bye.

      But honestly who cares. I wouldn’t care if Foles had Geno Smith numbers as long as he keeps winning. Thankfully foles hasn’t had a ton of adversity this season, i think the last 4 weeks will be the biggest test b/c we play teams that can put up points.

      • Brent E. Sulecki

        good point. guess I will look back at end of year then. if he finishes the last five he will have played a full 16 schedule. some even the whole game

        • anon

          I’m not saying numbers wont hold i hope they do. Frankly aside from AZ we don’t play a D that can challenge chip, IMO. So if Nick can keep executing the scheme i think his numbers will hold.

          • Brent E. Sulecki

            yeah agreed. im just sitting back and enjoying it and glad its not my decision. but at the same time I hope they make the right one. good to have some meaningful football for our time around thanksgiving. usually the season lately has been over by then

          • nicksaenz1

            Agreed. I think the toughest challenges are the D-lines of AZ and DET. They each have some studs up front that can create some problems for us. Keep them in check and we should win both. I can’t wait to see Shady against the awful middle of Chicago’s line. Chip should have a field day calling the IZR plays against them.

          • Brent E. Sulecki

            Chicago 31st run d…that’s scary..huge run day

          • aub32

            DET won’t be as big a challenge as you think. Their D line has done well against the run but has had problems getting any pass rush in recent weeks. They couldn’t even get to Ben, and his line stinks. Their secondary is still god awful. Our biggest challeng will be defensively with containing (<150 yds, 1 TD) Megatron.

          • theycallmerob

            I agree. And would almost rather go the PIT route….let Megatron get his yards and a score or two, but shut down R. Bush and keep Stafford in the pocket. Or just have sconces try to fight him, let both get ejected.

          • BlindChow

            PIT shut Johnson down in the 2nd half of that game. All their points were from the first half. Detroit becomes zero-dimensional when you take out Megatron!

          • anon

            they benched reggie beast. they do a lot of the things we do — stretch the field w/ megatron and then let rb catch the ball out of the back field.

      • Brent E. Sulecki

        and those 11 games. are only his first 11…its crazy to think if he kept improving. bet you many qbs wish for that type of production in their first 11. its impressive

  • theycallmerob

    In other awesome news, the ATL falcons are trying out both T. Edwards and Kafka. makes me giggle a bit every time a team brings in Kafka for a tryout

    http://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2013/11/20/5124862/former-eagles-backup-qbs-trent-edwards-and-mike-kafka-tryout-falcons

    • knighn

      Matt Barkley should keep an eye on these articles. If he works hard and stays humble he might also be able to try out for backup QB jobs in the future.

      • anon

        Dude has that RGIII mentality, but he’s a backup.

  • Edgk

    A 9 billion dollar sport filled with athletes who take there job seriously and you want me to believe that Chip Kelly introduced the NFL to the idea of being in peak physical condition and taking care of your body. Last I checked the Eagles have plenty of guys injured this year just like every other team. Silly stuff.

    • theycallmerob

      there are different kinds of injuries. No sports science can prevent ACL tears or concussions, but it helps avoid the nagging injuries and soft tissue things like pulling hammies. How many eagles missed time this year for a “contusion”?
      And as we all know, being in the NFL does not mean you take care of your body. Plenty of guys get by on talent alone, every year you read about OL who come into camp overweight and guys that can’t pass the initial conditioning test.

    • cliff henny

      semi agree. drinking shakes is nothing new. getting 8 hrs is nothing earth shattering. if it was, my mother was cutting edge 35yrs ago. maybe there’s and a wrinkle here and there, but most of it just sounds like focus. kelly is making it a point of emphasis, therefore the players are paying attention. think about dieting, if you want to lose weight, write down everything you eat (and that’s really all 99% of those tv ad diets are, forced control), it reminds you daily. you’d think these guys as professional athletes would see their body’s as temples, but seriously doubt they arent like every other 20-27 yr old, just running it empty till on fumes. i know how i was, and AC just an hour away and the city with money buring hole in my pocket. c-wills is a little older, sure a guy like demeco ryans take fantastic care of bodies. shady and d-jax, these guys need reminders

    • jabostick

      I don’t think Kelly introduced it all. Even with Reid and Fast Food Fridays – I would have to assume that the training staff was staying on top of the newest innovations and recommending best practices.

      With Kelly, though, I think the difference is that he’s made those practices a core part of his philosophy. It’s pervasive and – according to training camp stories – there’s a connection between the various staff’s on the team (as opposed to working independently)

  • anon

    GEAGLE. Any thoughts on Khalil Mack? I’ve not paid much attention to college but wanted to get your thoughts.

    • theycallmerob

      if i may….STUD. might not make it out of top15

      • cliff henny

        cant see making it out of top10 even, not after OSU game. think barr and mack are out of reach. similar to my thought process when figuring eagles needed qb, bridgewater and mariota were. draft is too loaded, lays out so well for eagles, hope they dont package too many picks to move around. kelly’s got this team so much further along than i ever expected. 6 months ago i was totally prepared to leverage most of the draft for a qb.

        • nicksaenz1

          I watched some of the OSU tape yesterday, in n out of paying attention and I didn’t see much. I caught some of the game last night (despite being a crappy Miami OH team) and rewatched that tape and I’m sold. I also read his story on SI College Union or whatever that is, and it’s a good one. Seems to have great character….. ALSO, some were saying yesterday that Brown doesn’t seem to be working out for us and we should consider a RB late in draft, a Sproles type. I’m wondering where the RB from Buf is slotted. That kid looked good.

          • cliff henny

            oliver…not even projected as udfa

            http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/prospectrankings/2014/RB

            i’d prefer isiah crowell, ex georgia guy. take him in 5th, with lyoria…call it our criminal round.

          • nicksaenz1

            Interesting. He had some wheels and appeared to have really good strength for a littler guy. Walked a nice tight rope by the sideline while being pushed.

    • cliff henny

      i’ll bet anyone his reply will require hitting the ‘more’. dion jordan’esque love is about to hit this section.

    • BlindChow

      Watched him last night. 3 sacks, 3 forced fumbles. Broke the NCAA career FF record (Suggs, Kerrigan, among others).

      We can hope there’s a run on QB’s, and Mack falls, I guess…

    • GEAGLE

      DRAFT HIM!!!! Demarcus Ware type small school pass rushing potential….He is in my top 5 round 1 targets for us. Those who want to see what the kid do, watch how he dominated Ohio state

  • jon h

    The more I’m watching this team, the more I think that Kelly actually thrives when he doesn’t have all of the necessary pieces in place. Seems like it’s an added challenge for him – if he had everyone he needed, I think he’d get bored. As soon as he really figures out the NFL nuances this team should be rocking and rolling (comes with experience like what happened in the SD game or when they tried to run time of the clock the other day and left the O Line in the three point set stance for almost 20 seconds and lost a few yards on the play). Any follow-up on the Polk incident? Also heard that McCoy was yelling at Riley Cooper on the sidelines on Sunday – anything there?

    • southy

      he can be bored after he’s got a couple lombardis sitting in a case at the linc

  • furiousxgeorge

    “Kelly can run his offense effectively with Foles.”

    He says he loves him as a QB and the suggestion that he doesn’t is 1000% wrong. I haven’t got the sense he really lies about stuff like that. People have a hard time reconciling the image they have of him and what he actually does.

    Anyway, not saying Foles is obviously the guy. We have 5 more games, no need to debate if he is or isn’t the guy, we just have to wait and see!

  • Mr.SweetDickWillie

    Cary Williams is a moron. He can’t cover and i don’t even know why they interview him. However, there might be a little truth to what he said.