Game Review: Eagles Offense Vs. Packers

foles_400_111113Here’s a position-by-position look at what we saw from the Eagles’ offense against the Packers.

QUARTERBACKS

* I thought Nick Foles played great against Oakland. This was a bit of an uneven performance. I know that seems crazy to say, considering he posted a 149.3 passer rating, but I’ll try to explain.


* There were a couple decisions that could have been costly. In the second quarter, Foles was being pressured and just launched a pass up for grabs. It was in the direction of DeSean Jackson, but there were defenders nearby. The ball landed incomplete as Jackson couldn't find it in the sun, but it was a dangerous throw. In the third, Foles made an awkward throw to Jason Avant, stepping into it with his right foot. It ended up being a 23-yard completion, but just as easily could have been picked off.

* The first touchdown to Jackson was obviously flukey. Jackson had the corner beat, and the Packers had a single high safety, but Foles underthrew him. Chip Kelly said today that the wind played a factor on the pass.

* To be honest, I don't know what to make of the 45-yard TD to Riley Cooper. It certainly wasn't pretty, and Foles probably should have gotten the pass deeper into the end zone, but I don't have a problem with him chucking it up every so often and seeing if his receivers will make a play.

* On the first drive, Foles made a good throw to Cooper over the middle, but he dropped it. He connected with Jackson for 21 yards on a comeback route in the second. Foles escaped pressure and found Cooper for 25 yards on third down in the second. And he found a wide-open Cooper for a 32-yard touchdown off play-action in the third. On the final drive, Foles did a good job letting the screen develop and then delivering the pass to James Casey, who picked up a first down.

* Foles did a good job with his legs throughout. On 3rd-and-2 in the first, the unblocked defender crashed hard, and he took off for 4 yards. Foles took for 9 yards on a scramble in the second and picked up 16 in a similar situation in the third. On the final drive, the unblocked defender crashed, and he kept the ball for 9 yards and a first down to end the game. Stats say eight carries for 38 yards, but that includes three kneel-downs. It was really five for 41.

* Foles looked a little hesitant early on, but it's tough to tell if he had receivers open without seeing the All-22. On the first drive, he initially did a good job of avoiding pressure, scrambled to his left, but held the ball and was sacked. On another third-down sack in the first, Troy Aikman seemed to think Foles held on to the ball too long. I actually didn't have a problem with the fumble. Foles tried to protect the ball but just got crushed. Didn't seem like a careless error to me. Just something that's going to happen once in awhile.

* Overall, I thought it was a solid performance, but not as spectacular as the numbers indicated. I know both Foles and Michael Vick supporters can get a tad sensitive around these parts, but I'm just telling you how I saw it.

RUNNING BACKS

* LeSean McCoy was brilliant in this game. It was easily as good as he's looked in over a month: 25 carries for 155 yards. He constantly turned nothing into something. Early on, he bounced a run outside for 9. He did the same thing later, getting to the sideline for 20. McCoy had a big 30-yard scamper in the third and an 18-yarder up the middle. He put a great move on the unblocked defender on a zone read play in the fourth, picking up 14. And he later dragged a defender 7 yards on the same drive. The refs missed two blatant face-masks against McCoy.

* McCoy made a defender miss and picked up 6 on a catch in the first. He did an OK job in blitz pickup in the second, getting driven back, but keeping the defender off Foles and allowing the QB to have room to maneuver. Again, just an outstanding game overall.

* Bryce Brown finished with 11 yards on four carries. He got around the corner in the first, but Allen Barbre was called for holding. Good job by Brown on the final drive. He turned the corner for an 8-yard gain on one play. And later, he broke a tackle or two to pick up 3 on 2nd-and-2. Good job securing the ball on that run as Packers defenders were trying to strip him.

WIDE RECEIVERS

* Riley Cooper had a great game. He had a drop on the first drive and said afterwards he should have continued his route and made the grab. But he more than made up for it with catches of 25, 45 and 32 yards. The 45-yarder was especially impressive as Cooper did a tremendous job of tracking down the ball near the goal line before rolling into the end zone. He got wide open on a double move for the second score.

* DeSean Jackson showed good concentration on the 55-yard TD. He had the corner beat on the post on the play. He later had a 21-yard grab. Overall, four catches for 80 yards.

* Jason Avant had two catches for 25 yards. It looked like the refs missed a pass interference call on a Foles throw intended for Avant in the second.

TIGHT ENDS

* Brent Celek's blocking in the run game has really stood out over the past couple weeks. Nice seal on McCoy's 8-yard run in the first and good job on McCoy's 9-yard run in the third. He took care of the one-handed Clay Matthews on McCoy's 18-yard run in the third and got the linebacker on McCoy's 7-yard run on the final drive. There were a couple miscues, but overall, really good job as a blocker. Celek had one grab for 7 yards on the first drive.

* Zach Ertz was not targeted. He seems to be improving as a blocker, but is not nearly as effective as Celek.

* Not sure why Casey cut it inside on the screen during the final drive. It looked like the play was designed to go outside, and he had blockers set up. But he broke a tackle and picked up a key first down. I also enjoyed how he sprinted to the sideline like a madman right after the play was over.

OFFENSIVE LINEMEN

* It was a bit of an inconsistent performance by the offensive line. Jason Peters suffered a head injury early on, returned to the game, gave up a sack and then left with a quad injury.

* Allen Barbre replaced him and played well. Barbre did a great job in blitz pickup on the 55-yard TD to Jackson. He got the job done on the 45-yarder to Cooper too. I only noticed him have trouble in pass pro on one occasion. In the run game, he showed he can really move, getting out in front on the safety on McCoy's 20-yard run in the first. Barbre did a good job on B.J. Raji on McCoy's 18-yard run in the third. He took care of the DB on McCoy's 7-yard run on the final drive and knocked an LB to the ground on Brown's 8-yard run. Barbre and Lane Johnson executed a nice double team on McCoy's 9-yard run. Barbre was called for holding on a run early on, but overall played really well.

* Evan Mathis was OK. Really nice block early on McCoy's 3-yard scamper early on. And good job on McCoy's 6-yard run on the final drive. He got shoved back on McCoy's 20-yard run in the first and couldn't square up the linebacker on McCoy's run that lost 3 in the second. Mathis was slow to come off his double team and pick up a blitzing Matthews in the third.

* Jason Kelce was up and down. The Packers employed some of the same tactics we saw from the Giants earlier this season. Raji slanted on Kelce on McCoy's 3-yard run in the first. And he allowed penetration on McCoy's 20-yard run. Kelce had some issues in pass protection too. He got beat on third down on the first drive as Foles was forced to escape the pocket. And he got beat badly on the sack/forced fumble in the third. Kelce had bright spots too. He did a nice job on McCoy's 8-yard run in the first and pulled on McCoy's 30-yard scamper in the third.

* You may sense a theme here. Herremans was up and down as well. He couldn't maintain his block on the linebacker at the second level on McCoy's early 3-yard run. He had trouble on McCoy's 9-yard run and was tossed aside on Brown's 1-yard run on the final drive. In pass protection, Herremans got beat in the second and gave up a hit on Foles. He got beat again in the second on the play where Matthews was called for a personal foul. Herremans had some really good moments in the run game. He did a good job on the linebacker on McCoy's 8-yard run in the first and got out in front on McCoy's 30-yard scamper in the third. Heremans did a nice job on McCoy's 6-yard run on the final drive.

* Johnson played his best game of the season against Oakland, but was unable o keep the momentum going against Green Bay. The Eagles split him out wide on 3rd-and-2 in the first, but Johnson did a poor job on the cornerback. Same setup in the third, and Johnson let the DB go right past him. Johnson got beat on a McCoy run that lost 3 in the second. He got beat to the inside on a McCoy run that gained 1 later in the quarter. In pass protection, Johnson was caught off-balance and tossed to the ground on the first-quarter play where Peters gave up a sack. But he helped up well in pass pro for the most part. Johnson was called for a false start on 3rd-and-2 on the final drive. There were some good moments, but Johnson was too inconsistent in this one.

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  • Will

    A Win is a Win Way to Go EAGLES!

  • Richard Colton

    Fair. I felt like Foles held the ball too long on a few plays as well. It’s not a coincidence that last week was Foles and the O-line’s best performance of the season, and that this week both played a little worse. The bomb to Jackson may have been lucky, but I’ll disagree with Sheil on the 2nd QT pass to DeSean; I thought he should have been working back towards the ball. If he lost it in the sun, ok, but can’t really fault either of them for that one.

    • Will

      Foles was lucky on two passes that could of been picked the bouncing pass to DJax and one he forced in to Avant. Both were Eagles completions.

    • Andy124

      There were times I was yelling at him to throw the d**n ball. Before the game I was worried that the abundance of time he had in the pocket against Oakland might have messed with his internal pocket timer against GB. After the game I still think that’s a possibility.

  • Eaglehaslanded

    Why is everything Foles do so scrutinized? Not every pass or reception is going to be picture perfect clean. I remember when it seemed as if the Eagles could not buy a break. I saw AJ Green catch an Andy Dalton bomb to tie the game on a last second hail mary. I wonder if Bengals fans scrutinized that play…Only in Negadelphia. Foles is not going to have a stellar performance on every outting, and who does? I’m not scared to believe in this Kid, IMO he is becoming a stud. To many people are waiting on him to have a mediocre performance so they can have their aha I told you so/I knew it moment!
    Keep ballin Foles!

    • Will

      149.3 QBR let them scrutinize Foles is more than Flashing….Kid’s a Diamond in the rough and only getting better each week…

    • BlindChow

      It’s a game review. Scrutinizing is the whole point.

    • anon

      Vick received the same if not worse — it’s just the nature of the beast.

      • Eaglehaslanded

        LOL, if Vick had a game like Foles had the last two weeks he would not be scrutinized, he would be praised like he was when he went on that six game tear after he took over kevin Kolbs job.. Well maybe by Vick haters. Foles’ performance against the Raiders was cast aside by some as just a mere result of a poor Oakland D, same was said about Tampa, and Green Bay. The funny thing is, is prior to those games everyone said those teams had a good defense…and they did up until that game. All of a sudden the Eagles Offense plays well and it’s not the O line, not the QB, not the skill players…the oppositions defense stinks all of a sudden. Well, how come no other QB and offense (Oh except Peyton Manning and the Broncos -pretty good company) has thrown for 7 TD’s. My point is instead of looking for ways to detract and justify the performance…give credit where credit is due!

    • #7

      So it shouldn’t happen to Foles, and only to Vick.

      • Eaglehaslanded

        What the hell are you talking about..I did not mention Vick. When Vick was getting ripped last year because he was not performing well due to the garbage O Line I did not like the fact he was getting scrutinized because his play had more to due with that swiss cheese siv of an O line last year. Before you make an assinine comment like that next time understand the context of the post and the history of the person writing the post. Don’t let your judgement be clouded by your prejudice of me just because I wrote a piece in favor of Foles!!!

        • #7

          Your history? What history? I’ve never seen you on here then you slither out of the sewar with your “why is Foles scrutinized”comment. Foles is not above scrutiny sir and to be honest, this is nothing compared to how Vick would get creamed on here.

          So what the hell are you talking about? The arm talent is suspect. Period. And people on here are going to talk about it

          • Eaglehaslanded

            Sewar…what is a sewar? Do you mean sewer…ok gotcha lol…No I do not come on here often, however, my point is, which you’ve failed to understand, is that you do not know the person writing the post so don’t surmise. Foles is not beyond reproach, however, when it’s nit picking it becomes a little sickening with the Oh let’s scrutinize Foles like Mike was scrutinized. That’s just twisted reasoning, which is common among fragile minds. What is your definition of arm talent ?…Brees, who has average arm strength but pinpoint accuracy most of the time. He threw a long ball Sunday night that fell a little short, his reveiver adjusted to get the pass, that pass which was a little short was not scrutinized, just another TD pass. How about Brady…strong arm and accurate..Or maybe McNabb, howitzer for an arm but inconsistently accurate. No QB is going to make the perfect pass 100% of the time, but 16 TD’s to 0 int’s and a 149.3 QBPR is as close to perfect as it’s going to get….that’s what the hell I’m talking about. Now for your final lesson. Why is Foles scrutinized is a question; not a comment ! That picture and your post ID name tells me all I need to know about you as it pertains to this issue sir. 30 love…Your serve!

          • #7

            Thanks for the grammar lesson. Cell phones do you wrong sometimes. Glad that you admitted that that you’re new here. As you can see, that’s how things work on here. Vick was criticized 10x worse than Foles would ever get.

            Don’t let the avatar fool you, since you’re a rook. I’ve gotten on Vick too. But yes it is known that I support Vick and a part of it is because so many people on here bash just out of pure dislike.

            Every interview, sentence, and throw is scrutinized regarding Vick, but you wouldn’t know that….. since you don’t know the culture of these threads like I do. Foles fans coming out of the woodworks…. and I like Foles. I’ve said on the record that Foles has earned the job. I just think he’s limited and he’s had a lot of flukey things happen in his favor. That cannot be disputed.

    • JofreyRice

      I’ve read quite a bit of Bengals fans analysis on Dalton, and believe me they are plenty “negative”.

    • aub32

      So we shoud baby him and only offer praise because we might hurt his feelings. Peyton Manning got booed when he wasn’t beating the Jags by 40 at halftime. Why should Foles be spared scrutiny on his mistakes? You and others are allowing your love/hope/whatever for the guy make you sound silly.

      • Eaglehaslanded

        No he should not be babied, but please tell me, what QB has put up the #’s he has and had the type of game in Oakland and get scrutinized as to the possibilites as to why he had the type of production he had. Sometimes scrutiny is just nitpicking. If Brees, Manning (take your pick), Brady throws a pass and the receiver has to adjust to get it, do you think the pass will be scrutinized? No it won’t. Instead of bneing happy about the games outcome it becomes a nitpick fest. Thats my point. Your satirical attempt at trying to analyse my post is truly silly because you foolishly misconstrued the underlying theme. 30 Love….Your serve!

  • Brian

    Were there any similarities between the Green Bay defense and the Cowboys? Just wondering, because I felt the same way in the first quarter in each game. At least Foles overcame it in this game.

  • Kev_H

    The nit-pickery is astounding. I’m not thinking you would have enjoyed covering superstar Hall of Famers John Elway or Brett Favre during their careers. Foles puts up the best numbers of any NFL visitor to Wisconsin ever and the Eagles win easily and the assessment is “meh.” I want to see a QB who takes those shots and allows receivers to make plays. To me, that’s a big plus and makes the offense dangerous and if a defender comes down with a long pass, it is little worse than a punt, if at all.

    • Will

      With Aaron Rodgers sidelined seen this coming…doesn’t change the fact Foles helped put 27 points up…

      • BQNinja

        Didn’t you hear? Aaron Rodgers has secretly been playing ILB this whole year.

    • anon

      Do you not remember the comments on Vick? Every Qb gets torn to shreds good game or bad.

  • Will

    Foles is 2-0 on the road with 3 home games coming up…149.3 QBR let them scrutinize . Foles is more than Flashing….Kid’s a Diamond in the rough and only getting better each week…AR might of hit on a QB in the draft before he left town…

    • Richard Colton

      is that a good thing or a bad thing?

      • Will

        10 starts it’s a Good thing I like Foles….in the HOF already…could of very well threw 8 TD’s that Oakland game if he played the 4th quarter…

        • Richard Colton

          but can any Eagles QB win at home this year?

          • Will

            We will find out together Sunday at 1:00…I like our chances and Washington will be game a much better team this time…

          • Richard Colton

            I hate the Redskins too, but I’m thinking its going to take at least a few hours to answer that question

          • Will

            3 hours…maybe less…

  • dgwright91

    Two things in regards to the DJax TD:

    1) After watching highlight you can see the wind mess with the ball at its highest point. I think it either blew it off direction or slowed its momentum

    2) Idk if DJax was the first read or not but Foles did go through his full progression and then came back to him. So I think that also played a role in the throw. These plays happen in seconds so the fact he was late (due to progression or Djax being covered) I was impressed he still let it rip.

    • Will

      Wind was a blowing look at all the missed FG’s the flags on goal posts were vertical…

      • dgwright91

        Yeah just watched it again the wind was definitely blowing, but its also clear that Jackson was the last read in the progression. I think Cooper was the first then the TE’s were his second and third.

  • Justin

    I don’t buy that throw Jackson lost in the sun was all that dangerous. The two defenders in the area had plenty of time to intercept it. So either the sun blinded them, too, or they weren’t as close as Sheil thinks.

    • Will

      I concur…

      • Don_the_Hun

        I can see both sides. To me I just think when you can don’t leave anything to chance throw the ball away. But its also possible he was actually trying to do that.

        • Will

          I think he was trying to throw it away and it just got hung up in the wind…

          • anon

            haha — Vick tosses that throw and there’s 100 comments bashing it. It was a bad throw — no harm in saying that.

          • nicksaenz1

            Vick would have run it and probably got hurt doing it.

          • Andy124

            And if Vick makes that throw to Cooper there’s 100 comments touting how Vick’s football IQ is so much higher than “the haters” claim.

            I’m not disagreeing with you. Just pointing out what we both already know… it goes both ways.

          • Coatesvillain

            So instead of 100 comments about how Vick’s football IQ is higher than the “haters” claim we have 100 comments about how Foles meant to throw the ball there. What’s the difference, really?

          • Andy124

            That’s the point I was making when I said “it goes both ways”.

          • #7

            200 comments

    • nicksaenz1

      They weren’t even turned around if I remember correctly.

    • pjcostello

      The defenders were actually (from what I recall) further up the field than Jackson was; they got behind him, and he stopped and started coming back to the ball when he lost it in the sun. No defenders were within 7 yards of the ball.

  • mtn_green

    First cooper TD.
    Drew brees threw an identical pass, under thrown, sharply to the side in 4th quarter, Brees is a genius, Foles was lucky.

    • Will

      Foles keeps it up it’s no fluke and he’ll get his respect in time…

    • SuperCar

      To Kenny Stills, I saw it too. I was thinking the same thing.

    • Cranky Caucasian

      Pretty sure Foles has already said the under throw was intentional, so not sure why he’s being criticized for it. He put it where only his receiver had a chance at it. I call that a good throw.

      • aub32

        Actually he said the direction was intentional, but he agreed the ball was underthrown and should’ve had a little more on it.

      • morgan c

        Exactly. I mean, Foles said it was intentional. The guy has not been shy being self-critical, so why should we assume he is lying? Great throw, great catch.

    • theycallmerob

      Plus, Brees’ ball was thrown in a dome

    • southy

      Brees has also demonstrated that he has inhuman accuracy year after year, so he gets the benefit of the doubt.

  • Will

    Bottom line this season 16 TD’s and Zero INT’s…149.3 QBR…in the HOF already…
    Foles has been Fantastic…and this is just the beginning…and Foles slides…lol…
    Foles has played well in his last two starts. Take a look at the numbers: 34 of 46 (73.9%) with 634 yards, 10 touchdowns and 0 INTs for a 155.3 passer rating. Most importantly, the Eagles are 2-0 in those games. per Howard Eskin who further states Foles will be the starter here on out bar injury…
    Career NFL statistics as of Week 10, 2013
    Pass attempts 401
    Pass completions 247
    Percentage 61.6
    TD–INT 22-5
    Passing yards 2,955
    QB Rating 97.2
    Stats at NFL.com

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    • Richard Colton

      Pretty sure I saw your uncle cruising around Old City @3pm with Bill Conlin. Care to comment?

    • #7

      Don’t give a Damn about your uncle

  • Weapon Y

    Foles clearly made a few mistakes in the game, but I was generally happy with the way he played. Even Peyton Manning and Tom Brady make some mistakes here and there. This, to me, looked like a reasonable expectation of what Foles’s average performance will look like. If that’s the case, I’m very happy to move forward with this kid. If he can play like this on average every week, pretty good although not great, he makes the Eagles a playoff contender. The trick now is to maintain the good pieces around him, acquire new ones, and get rid of the bad pieces.

    • #7

      Lol

      • theycallmerob

        what made you lol? that seemed pretty serious

        • #7

          These posts just look very familiar that’s all. The name of the QB in the post has changed. Same comments made about Vick and people were killed on here (nit picking) and now everyone is on board with Foles being “picked on”.

          He’s protecting his guy though. Nothing wrong with that. Just thought it was a coincidence

        • BlindChow

          Hey, lay off! This has been a rough couple weeks for the poor guy!

          • #7

            It hasn’t been at all actually. The Eagles are winning…which is what I pulled for from the very beginning unlike A LOT of you fans that wanted to tank the season before we played a game.

            Now you guys are on board with a playoff run now. Typical flip flop

          • BlindChow

            I’ve always been against tanking the season, genius. But, hey, stay sharp, big guy!

          • aub32

            I think he meant in general, and to be fair, there were a good number of fans who wanted to tank the season by week 3.

          • BlindChow

            No, he lacks the ability to distinguish between people he disagrees with, so if he sees I wasn’t bowing down before the altar of Vick, he assumes I must hold every other opinion that’s different than his. It’s basic “me vs. the world” persecution complex stuff.

          • #7

            LMAO.

            “Hey, lay off! This has been a rough couple weeks for the poor guy!”

            Cmon man. I responded to your comment directed at me. Hasn’t been “rough” for me at all. We’re winning, unlike your claims that you weren’t one of the “tank the season” fans.

            I think that you were one of them, but I don’t feel like digging up proof. Doesn’t matter anyway

          • #7

            Please try harder to remember. I guess Foles’ success has caused you to have amnesia.

            And yes, I meant in general.

  • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

    “I know both Foles and Michael Vick supporters can get a tad sensitive around these parts, but I’m just telling you how I saw it.”

    Ain’t that the understatement of the century.

  • theycallmerob

    Sheil, since you were at the game, curious what your opinion is re: the weather conditions (wind and sun). or was Henery really just that bad?

    • Eagledelphia

      he’s just that bad well this season at least

    • southy

      Crosby missed 2, and it’s his home field.

  • Daniel Norman Richwine

    Throw to Jackson for TD: Foles didn’t have a clean pocket and couldn’t drive the ball. worked out for him, but not an indication of a poor decision.
    Throw where Jackson lost it in the sun, I’d like to see that on all-22, but it looked like he threw it where there was no defenders anywhere near. If Jackson hadn’t lost it, he could have stepped up 5 yards and had an easy catch.
    Cooper TD where he fell down: lost in overanalysis is Foles threw into double coverage where neither defender could make a play on the ball, and Coop made a good catch. Again, Foles threw to a guy covered by two men and resulted in a TD.

  • #7

    I give Foles credit. The Eagles won, but this guy has to be the luckiest QB I’ve ever seen.

    He’s definitely Saint Nick right now.

    Glad we got the W

    • Carolina boy

      You are correct #7 and I’m all for Vick but while he’s hot we got to ride this ship but we still need top draft a qb in the to 2 rounds

      • #7

        I’ve consistently said that Foles has earned the job, but wow man. It’s like some Tebow stuff going on out there. Guys falling down, slipping at the right time. Int’s perfectly dropped at the perfect time. Fumble near the goal line and the Packers can’t even get 3 points lol. It’s unbelievable. We won though

        • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

          He’s got that Eli luck right now. We will see if it lasts.

    • Always Hopeful

      Ditto on the win factor!

      There’s always luck involved with sports. I remember when Jeff Garcia took over as QB in ’06 and he had his longest streak of not throwing an INT for his career, but we ALL saw plenty that were dropped by defenders during that streak.

      Same thing happened with Vick in ’10. He had a long streak of no INTs when he took over for Kolb, but we ALL saw plenty of picks that were dropped by defenders then too.

      QB’s gotta know when to take a calculated risk. I didn’t see the whole game Sunday so I don’t have a sense of the situations Nick was facing in those “luck” throws. If they were bad decisions, it will be nice to see him correct them. If they were calculated risks, I’d like to see him still throw ‘em and give the receivers a chance.

      I hope Nick’s “luck” runs out so Kelley can evaluate what he has in him. Nick has a small sample size, but for me Nick offers just enough hope to want to back him fully AND just enough doubt to say, “maybe he’s a solid back up, but not the GUY” I want to see him play more to see if we can get a better sense about him.

      Go Birds! Beat Washington…at home, for goodness sakes!

    • EaglePete

      Cant totally disagree there but I can also say, its about da.. time. Remember all the tipped INTs and fumbles last season. The gods have reversed the trend.

      • #7

        People take it as a stab at Foles, but even he said that he’s gotten lucky on a few of those throws. The God’s are on the Eagles side right now. We could have used them the last two years. We could not get a ball to bounce our way period

    • Andy124

      Do you realize that saying “but this guy has to be the luckiest QB I’ve ever seen” pretty much takes away all the credit you’ve given?

      So, who do YOU think gives the Eagles the best chance to win right now? A fully healthy Vick or Nick?

      • #7

        “Foles has earned the job”

        I keep saying that over and over….and over again. Find whatever answer you want to find. That’s what you do anyway

        You act like I’m the only person throwing around the word “luck” right now. Read the article and then the thread and see what you find

        • Andy124

          I’m being serious, that’s a different question. That answers the who should start question. You can think that, and still think Vick gives the team the best chance to win, as “objective aub” does. Or you can think that Foles gives the team the best chance to win. I don’t know what you think, so I’m asking. Because I’m curious.

          • #7

            There is no being serious. I’ve tried that with you and you dodge questions that you didn’t want to answer. Why should I entertain your question when you’ll turn right around and troll as soon as someone writes a post that does not always describe Foles in a way that you FOles people try to force people to do.

            I’m glad the Eagles are winning and not tanking the season like you, Token, and several others wanted.

          • Andy124

            I don’t recall dodging any questions. Feel free to ask again and I’ll do my best to answer. I do tend let conversations die from time to time rather than go around in circles and beat a dead horse… to death.

            But hey, if you think I’m just here to troll, feel free to ignore me.

          • #7

            No you just don’t like anyone to be critical of Foles. I’ve said Foles has earned the job for the season. Not sure what else you guys want from me.

            I’ll answer your question. First off, Vick started the season with this NEW offense. Lost to the Chiefs and Broncos, who we all know, especially at that point of the season, we’ve found out that BOTH QBs would have lost those games.

            Foles gets to sit and watch (by his own doing) and gets to learn the offense on the sideline and in practice without the pressure of being the starter. Foles was not under any pressure and he still isn’t. Different for a vet like Vick who the fans already hate.

            I think that this offense gets hot with Vick at the helm also and all of these games that we’ve won, Vick could have done the same.

            If I had to pick out of the two, it would be Vick. He can make the throws. Foles is proving that he can hit them sometimes, but I just don’t see the arm talent man. He moves well in the pocket…got some moxie to him, but it’s going to come a time when these DBs aren’t slipping….when the tipped ball aren’t being caught for TDs.

            If you DVR’d the game, you’ll see Foles himself say that he was bailed out a lot and was lucky on a good bit of throws. What’s upsetting is when someone else says this, you sharks come looking for blood instead of really reading what people are saying. The luck is going to run out. I just think that Vick brings something extra. McCoy finally got off, but I think the Pack was demoralized at that point…we broke them down.

            Shiel himself said that Foles was lucky…no one says anything to him.

            So yeah, I pick Vick. It’s unfortunate that he had a fluke injury and I’m glad that Foles came in and did work. As for your boy Token and others saying that I should leave, F no. I’m a fan and I don’t have to puff up Foles. As long as we win at the end of the day I’m good

          • Andy124

            Being critical of Foles: He held on to the ball too long at times. Who knows what he was doing on that lob that fell incomplete when Jackson lost it in the sun? The TD to DJax was a tad underthrown.

            Being biased: Foles is just so lucky. I’m glad that luck is letting us win games. Hooray for luck. Vick is better though, even though every statistic says it’s not even close. Foles can’t fit the ball in to tight windows because of his lack of arm strength, except for when he does fit it in to a tight window, then it should have been intercepted. Foles can’t compete the long ball to keep the defense honest, except for when he does, but then it was just luck and should have been intercepted. Foles is too slow to play in this offense and even if he picks up a few first downs with his legs, he gets no style points so so we need a more mobile qb.

            I wasn’t planning on arguing your opinion on who gives the Eagles a better chance to win, same as I didn’t with aub yesterday. Just was curious to see if you were objective enough to have changed your mind yet.

          • #7

            Andy not one person said that it was complete luck. Read the posts man. Cmon. Foles has had some good fortune.

            Yes or No.

            Also, it’s OK for people to think that McCoy and Jackson would be better with Vick (healthy). I agree with that statement. I TRULY believe that we could have won these games (and the Dallas game) with Vick.

            By saying that, that does not mean that we don’t love the Eagles. What’s disappointing is that you guys are soooooo high in the clouds right now that it’s clouding your judgement. The first letdown that Foles gave ya’ll (Dallas) Token and some of your other cronies said that Foles should not play for the rest of the year!!!! And now you people are puffing Foles up AGAIN.

            For you people, it’s ANYBODY BUT VICK. As a fan of the team, I think that’s pretty f’ed up myself. I’ve supported Foles…not to the level of you people when you’re comparing him to Manning and all this other BS. 9 starts and he’s Peyton Manning; unbelievable; yet when Vick had his good games, you people did the EXACT…SAME…THING…and now you can’t take it.

            Vick will play again….this year. Write it down. And it will be when it counts and he will light it up. If FOles can keep this going GOOD. I want to win and have wanted to win since week one.

            That’s not something you and your boy Token and several others CANNOT say. You wanted to “Tank for Teddy”.

            Please know that we have not forgotten that

          • Andy124

            Andy not one person said that it was complete luck.
            Strawman. I did not say complete luck. I said, “just so lucky” which is not even as strong as what you said, “luckiest QB I’ve ever seen”. That choice of words completely negates whatever faint praise you gave Foles and attributes his success to luck.

            And how is what Token said at any point in time relevant? Is my name Token? And I never once said we should “Tank for Teddy”. I wanted to see what Foles could do. But nice job trying to change the subject.

            Be honest, if Vick was sitting at 16 touchdowns and 0 ints, if Vick had thrown for 7tds and 0ints with a perfect qb rating and followed that up with a qb rating over 149, if Vick lead the league with a 132 rating overall, and if the Eagles were 4-1 in games Vick played, what would you be saying about Vick? What would you say to me if I said he was getting lucky or if I said he still couldn’t read a defense? Would you think that was fair, unbiased criticism? What would you say to someone who thought Foles still gave the team the best chance to win? Who would you be comparing Vick to? How did you carry-on when Vick won the pre-season competition? How would you have acted if Vick went off the way Foles has?

            Vick got total credit for his games against Washington and San Diego. We didn’t even give him a hard time for the second half against Washington because we accepted that was basically on how Kelly turtled up.

            And for the last time, I haven’t suggested or predicted your departure when Vick leaves.

      • aub32

        You asked me this question yesterday, but I don’t remember your answer. I know it’s Foles, but why? He deserves to be the starter, of that there is no question from me. However, I would argue the two are very even. DJax and Shady are better with Vick (healthy). Cooper is substationally better with Foles. I’d argue the O line is getting better period just because of reps. The other players on offense are a wash

        • Andy124

          Put it this way, if Vick was sitting at 16 touchdowns and 0 ints, if Vick had thrown for 7tds and 0ints with a perfect qb rating and followed that up with a qb rating over 149, everyone would be saying how he is finally fulfilling his potential as a game changer, elevating himself to the elite and proving the “haters” wrong. Those who wanted Foles to start would be ridiculed and called stupid for ever thinking that Foles shold play over Vick or that he was even fit to sniff Vick’s jockstrap.

          Why do I think Nick gives the Eagles a better chance to win? Because he’s played much better and he’s put up ridiculously better numbers than Vick. He’s been more accurate and made better decisions with the ball and it’s not even close.

    • Token

      Can you leave yet? Your hero isnt playing anymore.

      • #7

        Nah I think I’ll stay. Thanks though Token. Didn’t mean to offend your hero Foles.

        And who are you to talk? You wanted Mariota and every other college QB, remember? I see you have the Foles amnesia too.

        Typical Token aka Flip Flopper

  • aub32

    Sheil was critical of Foles, he must hate the team and think Vick should be the starter for the next decade. Everyone grab your torches and pitchforks.

    • Always Hopeful

      Yes, that is the ONLY proper response :-) How dare you Sheil!

  • JofreyRice

    Such a tricky thing, evaluating a QB. You have to balance cogent and evenhanded critique, along with reasonable expectations. 11th game as a starter, and set whatever records, and the stats look great…but…the arm talent still concerns me. There are times when he still throws wobblers, and times where the accuracy looks scattershot. Maybe the throws were like that purposefully, but it didn’t look that way. I said it after the game, but the throws looked more like ’12 Foles. I’m really curious to see what his arm looks like when the weather gets really nasty.

    It could very well be that even after an extended audition, we’re still not sure Foles is a “franchise QB”. I think at the very least, positive results, wins, points, etc, will motivate them to re-load with Foles in ’14, and go after a passrusher in the draft; I could live with that.

    My fear with Foles is that he’s a QB that is just “good enough”, and will bring them into some kind of equilibrium, where they’re not in the running for a true franchise QB in the draft, and not a serious contender because he’s beating up on the teams he should. Really the only answer is to see more of him.

    • Token

      Yea you could certainly be right. The good news is we will see a lot of him the rest of the way. I think the picture will be clearer by then.

      Has 4 of the last 6 at home, in the cold, probably in some bad weather. Two big division games, one this weekend.

      Hes gotta start showing he can win this type of game. Last chance he had was Dallas and that was about as bad as you can play. Looked like a deer in the headlights under the pressure of the moment.

      Im still a skeptic, while at the same time really hoping he turns out. Theres just nobody to pick in the draft. Manziel would be the only guy probably within our range, but his arm talent is no better and hes has a bunch of other flaws.

      If Foles shows he has what it takes they can go defense in the 1st and put more weapons around Foles offensively. He seems to be willing to throw it up for his WR to make a play. Well, go get another big WR that can come down with a football.

      • JofreyRice

        I agree. I think as of this moment, my plan–barring any Dallas-level meltdowns the rest of the way–would be to try and surround him with talent going forward and hope he’s the guy. I think if they win with him, he needs a bunch of weapons to throw to; a WR that can make contested catches, maybe a change of pace running back to spell Shady, and give the defense something else to worry about–someone like De’Anthony Thomas, I don’t know.

        I don’t think they have to commit to Foles, financially, until after next year, so they can use all of ’14 as an audition, if need be.

        I think the D has to have an edge rusher, so that’s probably priority #1. After that, add pieces to the O. Hopefully land a S in FA.

        • Token

          Would you just throw money at Byrd?

          Great center fielder.

          Im a little worried hed quit after getting paid, but I guess thats more because we have got burned in the past. I have no clue about his personality or work ethic.

          Assuming Wolff can progress a bit, Byrd and Wolff would probably be OK.

          The more likely scenario is that Howie is buying into Nate Allen again. I fully expect him to get a deal and be the starter next year.

          • Andy124

            Philadelphia is signing Byrd for two years.

            Wrong team and wrong Byrd though.

  • Shane Brown

    If Peyton Manning was a philadelphia eagle i would still nit pick every single one of his throws too. I dont see it as eagles fans being negative, we are just educated about the sport and we can look at things beyond the stats. All of us here would love Nick Foles to keep up this rediculous pace forever and be one of the greatest of all time. We get this negative reputation because we are just analyzing more than average fans, because we want to look into the numbers and find out if this guy is the future of this team. No we arent “negadelphia”. We are just die hard impatient fans who want to dig out an answer

    • aub32

      The problem is there are some fans that are so “hopeful” that any legit criticism is seen as bashing. Many of us have seen this song and dance before with a unestablished player putting up big numbers only to show he’s not the guy in the years to come. Why shouldn’t we be hopeful and remain critical.

      • BlindChow

        Yes, the difference with Manning is a long history of competence. Bad throws can be excused as being anomalous. As long as Foles is still in his early “audition” phase, though, critical analysis makes complete sense.

        • aub32

          Exactly. I think everyone is beyond the thinking that “Foles will never be more than a backup”. However, that doesn’t mean that you have to feel he’s the unquestioned future franchise QB of this team. It’s ok to just be hopeful while remaining critical until Foles shows that he can produce consistently and win some big games against big teams. (GB not a big team w/o Rodgers)

  • morgan c

    Was at the game. The 45 yard TD pass to Cooper that Sheil criticized was really a great play. I had a perfect view from my spot, behind Eagles bench, 40 yard line. He put it where only Cooper could get it, out to the right. Sure, maybe could have been a bit deeper, but with the loft and direction, he made sure Cooper would have time to make the adjustment, and also be the only one able to make a play.

    Agree that it was not an amazing performance overall, but the criticism of that one play needs to stop. Threw to an open spot, and result was a “safe” deep play for a 45 yard TD. It is what it is.

    • aub32

      So if Coop doesn’t make the diving catch, which was a high difficult play to make, then is it still a good pass? Criticizing the throw does not mean we don’t like the result. One of the biggest criticism of Foles is that his deepball is inconsistent. We saw two TDs where he underthrew the pass, but they still resulted in TDs. The result is great even though that’s still a facet you would like to see him improve.

      • bill

        Well, if we say Coop doesn’t make the catch, is it a bad pass? I say no. He put the ball in a place where the WR could make a play, and that it was highly unlikely that the DBs would make a play. Significantly greater reward than risk – I want the QB to make those throws.
        Could it have been a better throw? Obviously, even Foles thinks so. But it wasn’t *so* bad that it didn’t work. No QB is perfect every throw of every game. Every QB benefits from some luck here and there. The key, IMHO, is to keep throwing the high reward/low risk throws. Sometimes the QB or WR is unlucky and the risk plays out and you have a bad outcome. Doesn’t mean it was the wrong decision or even a bad throw. Sometimes the reward plays out even with a bad throw – but that’s why you keep throwing it. That was my biggest complaint about Vick (and it seems to have been validated by subsequent performance) – he *never* threw with anticipation or allowed his receiver to make the play. With that sort of limitation, he was always going to struggle with average or better defenses that took away his easy throws into zone coverage. If Vick could’ve overcome that limitation, he had a chance to be special. Just didn’t seem he could.
        I actually agree that for Foles to be more than a place-keeper QB in the NFL, he’s going to need to continue to improve his arm-strength. But the analysis of this play (as opposed to the DJax TD) is so patently contradicted by all evidence (Foles’s statement, Brees’s identical throw several hours later, etc.) that the continued spouting of it says more about the spouter than it does about Foles.

        • aub32

          You can’t compare Foles to Brees. Brees has been one of the best QBs over a long period of time. He and Foles are in different worlds. Also, my point is Foles has had a problem with arm strength. We didn’t see one underthrown deep ball. We saw several. So he doesn’t get a pass on the Cooper throw. Was the throw abysmal? No. Cooper was able to make the catch. Does Foles need to work on getting that and other throws deeper? Yes. That’s been seen consistently throughout his young career. Does that mean he had a bad game? Hell no. Some people just need to calm down and look at the criticisms for what they are rather than defending Foles to the death.

          • #7

            Agreed. Foles is untouchable on here.

          • bill

            Geez, I even note that he needs work on his arm-strength, and that the DJax TD was a bad throw, and suddenly I’m defending him to the death? I didn’t compare him to Brees, I compared nearly identical throws in nearly identical situations (actually, Brees had better conditions being in the dome vs. in Green Bay, but that’s nitpicking) that had identical results. Seems valid to me to deflect the criticism that Foles’s explanation was some sort of rationalization. Either Brees’s pass was awful too, or there’s some validity to Foles’s decision making on the pass. I was focusing on the continued wailing about the Cooper 1st TD as if it was some sort of horrible, can’t be counted, pass. Foles didn’t have a perfect game, agreed. And he still hasn’t proved that he’s the answer. But the criticism of that play is completely over the top, and since the critics tend to be people who were (and still are) vocally Team Vick and continue to defend him to the death against all critiques, well…. Some people need to get over their pre-conceived notions.

          • EaglePete

            ya, I dont get this sensitivity angle or defending Foles, then again, Im always a bit late to these conversations. Its more about criticizing TD plays which if were honest is nitpicking at its finest. Theres plenty of other things to point out, like oh a 3rd string QB on the other side, playing against weaker competition, taking sacks etc. The Brees throw was a great example, not comparing the QBs, comparing the throw.

          • aub32

            If I recall correctly the same people who were “team Vick” were also critical of Vick. So why are they not allowed to be critical of Foles?

          • bill

            Read my post. No, really – read it carefully. Then answer this question: Where did I say anyone couldn’t be critical of Foles’s game? The part where I was critical of Foles’s game? The part where I noted that he has a lot more to prove? I’m honestly struggling to understand the straw-man VickNation is responding to, here.

          • aub32

            Why are you bringing up Vick? Why? If anything people are debating whether Foles is good enough to make us forego looking for a QB in the draft. What does that have to do with Vick. Did he find some loop hole to allow him to reenter the draft?

          • bill

            Since you didn’t answer my question (which answers your question), I’ll spell it out – There are at least 2 people on this thread that argued that I was claiming that Foles couldn’t be criticized. Of course, every post of mine has included some pretty heavy criticism of Foles. So…..what’s the common denominator that is causing these 2, apparently separate people to blatantly misread what I wrote multiple times? There is an easy answer that I’ve admittedly jumped to. If you can give me a rational, alternative answer for why you and another poster have blatantly misrepresented what I wrote, I’ll gladly accept that answer over my initial assumption.

          • Nah__Roots

            Check this out, right. Maybe. Just maybe. You are for whatever reason so heavily slanted towards pro-Foles that even the most minor or objective critique of him is grounds for “having an agenda.” Notice how the OP said nothing about Vick. You went there.

            Just sayin’.

          • bill

            And maybe you are so heavily slanted that you didn’t even read my post. LET ME MAKE IT CLEAR. FOLES NEEDS TO SHOW A LOT MORE TO BE DEEMED THE ANSWER. HIS ARM-STRENGTH IS A BIG ISSUE. HIS THROW(S) TO DJAX WAS(WERE) BAD. I’M NOT CONVINCED THAT EAGLES DON’T NEED TO DRAFT A QB HIGHLY IN 2014.
            Only in the mind of Vick fanatic can that be deemed “so heavily slanted pro-Foles.” I brought up Vick because it’s relevant to the point I made – Vick fans are going over the top in ways that they absolutely wouldn’t have when their boy was doing his thing. Criticism of the DJax throw(s) are certainly valid. The over-the-top obsession with nit-picking a slightly underthrown ball that was well-placed otherwise is saying more about the critic than it is about Foles.

          • aub32

            You must not have paid much. BBaaS is one of Vick’s biggest backers and harshest critics. Fans can like a player and still be objective. I like Foles. I just haven’t bought in as much as others based on seeing this type of thing done before and fooling some teams.

          • aub32

            Thanks, but I doubt it helps.

          • morgan c

            Agree. And I started this thread off by simply saying, on that ONE throw, it looked like a great play from my excellent vantage point at the game, seeing it live. Not defending anyone to death.

      • fran35

        But what we are saying is this: If it was a deliberate overthrow as Foles himself has stated, the coach has stated and logic backs up and the result was a TD, but it could have been an incompletion, how was it a bad throw? It wasn’t underthrown, as the Djack TD was, it was a deliberate and accurate throw that only Coop could have made a play on. And he did. So, WTF is your agenda? It was a great throw.

        • aub32

          No agenda here. Please listen to the interview. Foles said he should have put more on it. I’m not saying the ball wasn’t placed. However, even Foles acknowledged there should have been more on the throw. I’m not the only one to point this out. Does Sheil and others have an agenda as well?

  • James Hausman

    I told anybody who would listen that this kid should be the starter last year but they brought Vick back anyways… Vick is 33 years old takes too many sacks is too inaccurate and honestly can’t read a defense anymore plus he gets injured way too much he’s 20-20 as a starter for us, foles is 3-1 as a starter this year he has the best qb rating in the nfl(4 passes shy of qualifying) 2nd best Qbr in the entire nfl only Peyton is better… He may not be the greatest but he definitely has the skillet to be a top nfl qb… IMO if he starts the rest of the season we will WIN the NFC east this YEAR… Btw that pass to djax may have been a little lucky but so what sometimes u gotta get lucky in this league, the pass to avant was a great he stuck it in there, djax was the only one who coulda caught the pop up if he hadn’t lost it in sun would be a big gain and he threw Riley open on the td pass, he put it the only place he could’ve thus makin him open when he was really double covered… Foles is the future…

  • EaglePete

    I guess its okay to over analyze some completed passes but its getting a bit ridiculous to me to keep calling some throws “could have been intercepted”. So many throws in the NFL are in tight windows per the athletes being so fast so there is a lot of that. The reverse is all the INTs that bounce up in the air, tipped fingers etc so its all relative. Ill take em when they work, the reverse is a 3 INT game and its bound to happen at some point. Right now, luck of the Foles is working well. As they say, you gotta shoot to score. Woulda Coulda Shoulda all you want.

    • aub32

      WHAT!!!!????!!!!! Since when has it been out of bounds to say a ball could have and should have been intercepted. Where the heck have you been? That was a constant thing that even I brought up with Vick last year when he made some dumb decisions/bad throws that worked out. So Foles is immune from something that we have all been doing for ages now? You’re kidding right?

      • EaglePete

        Which pass could and should have? theres a difference between a ball hitting a defenders hands and he drops it than a diving defender tipping a ball thats caught. Just getting a bit over the top reading everyone say its “lucky” all the time is all. Nobody was talking about Vick, I find it kind of funny there is a need to find some common ground at this point, I thought we were past that since hes on the sideline injured again. I guess if you are looking for some “fair” assessment between the two, good luck. If anything I thought Vick had way more bad bounces where the receiver should have caught it, and it got INT. Im actually being objective in a “if youve watched football your entire life, this stuff is a constant”. I dont get where Im saying hes immune to criticism. Its not overly defensive of Foles, just about any QB making plays.

        • aub32

          I brought up Vick because we are Eagles fans. If this was a Ravens blog I would have brought up Flacco. My point remains that almost INTs have always been fair game, and that Avant pass should have definitely have been picked off.

          • Andy124

            So Foles gets criticized for only hitting wide open recievers and not having the arm to fit the ball in to tight windows. Then when he does, it should have been an interception. Uh, ok.

      • #7

        Yes, Foles is immune aub32

  • Kev_H

    I’m not sure what a lot of your guys are looking at and many of your are way off base. First, a QB generally doesn’t get recruited to play in a major conference or get drafted in the NFL unless they have sufficient arm strength to make all the throws. To think that jocksniffers and website commenters have a better grasp on that than the football industry is beyond hubris.
    If anyone is of the “not sure what we have in Foles” mindset, they need to have their head examined. The current career passer rating leaders are Aaron Rodgers (105.2) and Peyton Manning (96.8). “Lucky” Foles so far is at 97.2 since his first start, November 18th of last year. Most of his action has been in late season, poorer weather situations. The three games he played in ideal conditions (two at TB and one at Oakland) have been HOF caliber production. Much of his action was calling signals for a decimated team and line in 2012. He has played under two coaches with two entirely different systems and it is the first calender year of his career. Yet his stats and production have been off the charts. If there is another QB who has done this, please name names, because I’ve been following football for over 40 years and haven’t seen anything like this outside of Kurt Warner. The band wagon should be full and loud. Foles knows how to play the game at a high level. To dismiss what he has accomplished so far as lucky or a fluke is an insult to everyone who ever played the game. A guy can have a lucky game or a lucky half, but when you are looking at 400+ passes, mostly late season, for a franchise in disarray, and you have the results Foles has had to start his career, you should really just enjoy the ride and spend the column space and mental energy on all the accomplishments- which are the things we dream of as fans. It hearkens back to the constant carping on Mike Schmidt by some fans and the media while he was putting together the greatest career any of us have had the priviledge to watch close up.

    • aub32

      So why has Kelly not named him the starter if he is clearly a franchise QB? Kelly obviously wants to see more as well. So I guess he needs his head examined.

      • OregonEagle

        The Eagles don’t need to name anyone ‘starter’ because they have a formula for starting QB. Foles starts until he gets knocked out, then Vick starts. Vick continues to start until he gets knocked out then Foles starts again. If they both get knocked out, then that other guy comes in – but he doesn’t get to start the next game if anyone else is healthy.

        Not only is there no upside to naming a starter now, Foles will not be named ‘starter’ until the third preseason game, 2014 – after he wins it in a preseason competition with the Eagles #1 draft choice.

      • Eaglehaslanded

        So why has Kelly not said that when Mike is healthy he will return back to the starting QB spot? Isn’t the norm, you don’t lose your spot to injury. Foles is the starter…Kelly will not say it for locker room reasons..like I said the norm is you don’t lose your starting spot to injury. Mike lost his because he can not stay healthy and 16 TD’s to 0 nterceptions. Game Over.

  • KobraKai7474

    Look, folks, Nick Foles is EXACTLY where anybody could hope a young quarterback would be at this point in his development. He has done some very good things and some very bad things… sometimes on the same play, and that is how it goes for young quarterbacks. Lest anybody forget, he has now started a grand total of 10 NFL games, which is quite a bit fewer than most of the other “great young quarterbacks” everybody was talking about going into the season, and, lest anybody further forget, this year has been fairly uneven for ALL of those other more-experienced, young “star quarterbacks”. No, Nick Foles is NOT a great quarterback today, but he has shown enough to to let us know that he could be a great one someday. That is more than we can say about Michael Vick right now, and that is more than enough reason to hitch our wagon to Foles and see where it goes… at least for the rest of this year.

  • John J. King

    Disagree on the Jackson TD throw. The ball was wobbly in flight and it might have been the wind or a bad grip. Jackson is paid to make those catches and he did a great job. Don’t think that pass was indicative of anything. Agree 100% on the fumble. On the lost-in-the-sun throw, it really did look like he intended it to be a comeback catch because there was no-one in the area and if DJax could have seen it, he’d have caught it. Agree w/mtn_green below too. Brees is a genius and Foles is lucky or a beneficiary of the new league rules or too religious to make it in the NFL or some other convoluted reason why he can’t or won’t be successful – until he too becomes a genius.