What They’re Saying About the Eagles

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Here is a roundup of national media links from this week.

Bucky Brooks of NFL.com says the Eagles can still run the read option with Nick Foles:

Although Foles definitely is not a dangerous runner like Vick, the Eagles will continue to use the read option. The simple threat of the quarterback keeping the ball or firing a bubble screen to the perimeter is enough to keep a handful of defenders from pursuing the ball aggressively, which leads to bigger running lanes on the front side.

ESPN.com has the Eagles up six spots to No. 21 in its power rankings:

What does the loss of Michael Vick mean to the Eagles? Maybe nothing this week in Tampa, but next week’s game against Dallas has serious implications in a wide-open NFC East.

Elliot Harrison of NFL.com has the Eagles 23rd:

If you’re an Eagles fan — or just think the NFC East stinks — you have to be encouraged by the way Nick Foles stepped in and played against the Giants on Sunday. Completing 16 of 25 passes for 197 yards and two touchdowns — in a divisional game on the road, no less — is clutch. That’s especially true when one considers that Michael Vick had been getting the majority of the reps in practice. We’ll see if Foles can keep things going; he’s likely to get the start with Vick’s hamstring acting up. Philadelphia showed some resilience not seen in successive losses to the Chiefs and Broncos.

Gregg Easterbrook of ESPN.com looks at Tom Coughlin’s decision to accept a holding penalty against the Eagles in the first half:

Coughlin took the penalty because he knew Chip Kelly would go for it on fourth-and-4 from the Giants’ 47! Almost any team should go for it in this situation, but especially the Eagles, who entered the contest with the league’s No. 2 offense and last-ranked defense. That it never occurred to professional football announcers, one a former NFL head coach, that a team might do anything other than punt on fourth down is an indicator of football orthodoxy.

Bill Barnwell of Grantland on Coughlin’s decision to call timeout and then challenge a LeSean McCoy catch:

After the Eagles converted a third-and-10 on their own 27-yard line early in the third quarter for an 11-yard gain, Coughlin’s Spidey Sense started to tingle. Sensing a chance to make a play, he called a timeout to get more time to review LeSean McCoy’s catch. Then, having reviewed the evidence, Coughlin decided to throw his challenge flag to overturn what was a relatively meaningless play. The Eagles had the ball only on their own 38-yard line, and given how prone to big plays these two defenses are, the field position the Eagles gained from the conversion was relatively meaningless. Forcing Philly to punt, in the bigger scheme of things, wasn’t going to have a huge impact on New York’s chances of winning the game.

The MMQB.com’s Peter King likes what he sees from one Eagles rookie:

Zach Ertz is growing on me. Good, energetic tight end in the Chip Kelly offense.

Brian Billick of FoxSports.com has the Eagles 22nd:

You know that rule that you don’t lose your starting job due to injury … well, we are about to find out if Chip Kelly buys into that philosophy. Nick Foles entered for the injured Michael Vick in the second quarter and finished with two touchdowns and nearly 200 yards passing.

Pat Kirwan of NFL.com has the Eagles 23rd:

The No. 1 rushing team in the NFL with 187 yards a game has to support a shaky defense and they may have to do it without Michael Vick for a while.

Frank Schwab of Yahoo’s Shutdown Corner has the Eagles at No. 20:

Nick Foles has a great chance to solidify himself as a legitimate starting NFL quarterback. If he plays well, there’s no reason to turn back to Michael Vick.

Mike Florio of Pro Football Talk has the Eagles at No. 20:

“We’re 2-0 against the NFC East” doesn’t have quite the caché it used to.

According to Football Outsiders, Foles was the sixth-best QB in Week 5, and Vick was 13th:

In one stretch over the third and fourth quarters, Foles went 0-for-5 with a sack. When Foles and the offense next took the field, the Eagles were only ahead by one point. From that point forward, Foles went 4-of-4 for 69 yards with two touchdowns, plus a 27-yard DPI, and the Eagles won by 15.


Vick only threw for three first downs on the day, which totaled 92 yards. His other 11 pass plays netted 13 yards. He also ran seven times for 79 yards and five more first downs, with four runs of 10 yards or more, capped off by a 34-yarder.

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  • Andrew

    One thing that drives me nuts about Vick (and many other professional athletes): When he’s in a fight for his job, he performs GREAT. But once comfortable in knowing he’s the starter, his play drops.

    Maybe that’s partially due to season fatigue and the hits he’s been taking, maybe due to something else.

    Remember the guy who blew it up in the preseason and against the ‘Skins?

    I’m not vying for this, but would it be the worst thing in the world for him to have to fight for his job the rest of the year?

    • Kevin

      I also wonder Andrew, if Vick limitations as a passer are due to his athletic ability. Because he can throw beautiful, rocket-like balls and out-run most people on the field, he never had to develop the ‘spidey-sense’ needed to throw receivers open. He could wait until he sees a receiver uncover and trust his arm to zip it in or his legs to buy time.

      • Andrew

        Having played QB at the DIII level in a pass-happy offense but not being gifted athletically, I HAD to learn how to throw people open, anticipate, be accurate on all throws, etc. I can imagine that if you ARE gifted (athletically or otherwise) that you can “take it easy” on learning some things that others need in order to be successful.

        • Metta World Peace

          makes a lot of sense.

        • Explorer51

          Though it’s an imperfect analogy, Vick thinks like the big-play shooting guard and Foles is the dish-first point guard; both can be effective if they execute what’s called.

          • GEagle

            Russel westbrook(Vick) vs. Rajon Rondo(FOles)

      • GEagle

        I think Vick can’t Always be throwing lasers. Sometimes he needs to look at who he is throwing to and take some heat off of balls..I see Celek getting Lasers clanked off his wide open hands from Vick all year, yet FOles throwing Celek a more catchable ball that he easily secured for a TD…

        Ideally all your pass catchers can constantly catch every laser you throw their way, but there is nothing perfect about the eagles world in 2013….Know your WRs…Know that you can count on Avant catching every laser that you wing at him, but KNOW that you have to throw with anticipation when dealing with Celek because you have to take some heat off a ball headed for Celek and throw it with more touch….Vicks LASERS have bailed him out of throwing with anticipation and proper timing, but if some of your pass catchers aren’t handling his fireballs well enough, then it’s up to him to adjust and start throwing guys open which allows the ball to come out with more touch and less heat….if you aren’t anticipating timing routes and delivering the ball on time, throwing LASERS is the only way to avoid it being intercepted, but that’s not acceptable if you are throwing it to a guy who can’t constantly handle it….It’s up to the QB to know the limits of his personel and adjust his game accordingly so that he can give a chance to each and every pass catcher to be successful…..hopefully FOles can do better then Vick in this regard, which he is pretty much forced to because he doesn’t have the Fireballs in him to overcome throwing the ball late….which is why he has had to develope as a traditional QB, because he didn’t have the physical gifts to get away with mishaps

        • BlindChow

          A.B.T.L.

          Always Be Throwing Lasers

        • aub32

          LOL really? That pass Foles threw, though a very nice pass was more difficult than Vick’s pass in the Broncos game. Celeck just made the play on the Foles throw and not on Vick’s. This isn’t a case where Celeck was 5 yards from Vick. The ball was thrown downfield in a tight window. That’s on Celeck. Had Vick taken some heat off the ball and gotten picked, you and I would bash him to high heaven. You can’t have it both ways.

          • aub32

            Eric Decker has about as many drops as Celeck. Is that because Peyton is putting too much on his passes too? Gimme a break. There’s enough to criticize Vick for without reaching for such ridiculous points.

  • B-West

    Oh God no…. I think I agree with an Easterbrook point.

    • Adam

      Yeah, that was unbelievable that those two clowns couldn’t make sense of the possibility of someone going for it on 4th and short.

      • Basscase

        And they kept bringing it up like an hour after it was done. I mean, it was insulting. Yeah the guy chose the penalty, get over it. And the %s were in his favor anyway.

        • BlindChow

          It’s not like the Eagles were lighting it up in the passing game at that point anyway (and 3rd and very long would almost certainly be a pass, even for the Eagles).

    • BlindChow

      I actually didn’t think Kelly would go for it. He decided to punt a couple times against the Broncos, and he was further into their territory in those cases…

      • B-West

        Hard to know for sure, of course. Normally, a run on a 3rd down and long would be evidence toward a team playing 4 down offense. I’m not sure that’s the case with Kelly in general, or if that was the case in this situation, but that’s how Coughlin read it.

        • Always Hopeful

          His cojones haven’t seemed that big since the 2 pt. conversion mishap :-)

  • knighn

    Ha ha – Nick Foles really does look like Jon Heder!

    Here’s hoping his play is more like “Dynamite” and less like “Napolean Dynamite”!

  • G_WallyHunter

    Of course, Florio can’t say what he did before, so he has to discredit being 2-0 in NFC East, guys a d bag

  • BlindChow

    I really hope they use the hard count a lot more in the Tampa game to get the opposing DL to jump offsides. Especially if the linemen are timing their release to the snap count the way the Giants were. I hate that the Eagles don’t capitalize on these situations like other teams always seem to.

    • BlindChow

      It’s my dream to see a team move the entire length of the field solely by capitalizing on offsides hard count penalties. Make this happen, Foles!

    • anon

      to be fair it was a backup playing w/ the line for a lot of that so you gotta do some more basic stuff, hopefully they’ll fix that next week.

      It’s a new system so theyre still only doing basic stuff.

  • #7

    Mike Florio smh. I can’t stand that punk

    • nicksaenz1

      Sadly that’s arguably the best thing he’s ever said.

  • Dustan M. Howell

    Why don’t all these national pundits talk about the fact that Foles ( when starting in Eagle territory ) only moved the ball past mid-field once in the second half, and that was with the help of a 27 yard penalty and one of the worst wounded ducks I’ve ever seen thrown by a quarterback. Foles is hot trash.

    • Richard Colton

      hot trash seems excessive. he came in cold, executed the offense, didn’t turn the ball over, made some really nice short throws, some beautiful intermediate throws, 2 TDs, had a great QBR and passer rating. I’m less worried about Tampa Bay now after seeing him play on Sunday. Aren’t you?

      • Dustan M. Howell

        Did he really execute the offense ? He also made some throws that were to no one, and the offense only advanced past mid-field once in the second half. How is that executing the offense ? The Bucs were all but a sure win before Vick pulled a hammy; now, not so much.

        • Richard Colton

          Did he? Yeah. The QBR and passer rating speak for themselves. If you want to knock his performance, let’s talk about the opponent being the worst team in football. I’m not a huge Foles fan, but I’d like to see what he can do Sunday. Hell, if he lights up Tampa like he did last time but Chip doesn’t see him as starting QB material, he’ll have trade value.

          • BlindChow

            Hmm, Arizona will be looking for a QB next year. Maybe we can bring in Andy to do the negotiating. He always seemed to have a knack for these things…

          • nicksaenz1

            They don’t need a QB. They need, and have for a very long time needed, an O-line.

        • BlindChow

          “He also made some throws that were to no one…”

          He certainly had some stinkers, but…

          Foles: 16/25 – 64.0%
          Vick: 6/14 – 42.8%

          But then, objective analysis isn’t really your aim here, is it?

          • cliff henny

            let me beat the vick supporters…Foles in 3rd quarter. why cant we all agree that both have serious flaws? somehow beating up one, makes the other better? vick is better, but a finished product, he aint getting better, while Foles is young maybe can become a player, but no doubt lacks ideal arm strength and athleticism, dont ever see that changing.

          • BlindChow

            Yes, that’s a good point, and I agree. It just seemed incongruous for a Vick supporter to knock Foles for missed passes, of all things.

            Now, if they had been knocking Foles’ rushing yard totals…

          • Dustan M. Howell

            Lol, get out of here with your meaningless stats because I can bring up a whole of stats where we’re top 3 in the league or higher offensively, and you’ll comeback with “it’s not about stats, it’s about wins and losses.” Nick Foles was stuck without those turnovers by the Giants, stuck ! You notice how we put 16 points on the board even though Vick was struggling, but we were stuck in quick sand when Foles was in there and needed the Giants to save us ?

          • BlindChow

            LOL!!

      • Nah__Roots

        I feel better now that I’ve seen him in action, but I’m definitely still worried. I don’t know how well the o-line is gonna hold up against the Bucs.

        • BlindChow

          I agree, but I’d find myself equally worried no matter which QB is in the game. Especially the way the offense has sputtered since KC.

      • aub32

        I’m not. He did really well at what I have always said he was good at taking advantage of short fields. I wish I could have seen him lead one long TD drive. It’s not his fault he didn’t have any in the 4th quarter, and he did take advantage of the field position, which is great. Howeve,r my fear of Foles is what he does when he’s not inside the other team’s 40.

      • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

        H*ll No.

        I’m SUPER worried about Tamp Bay with Foles in. There D is the business. Those wounded ducks will get batted down or picked off.

        And he hasn’t shown he can move the ball when starting in Eagles territory. And we still lack receivers of any worth not named DJax.

        He’s not going to make up for that by running for first downs and converting 3-19 with his legs. It could conceivably be a LONG day.

        • cliff henny

          Tampa’s defense as good as KC’s in your eyes? not like a Vick lead offense didnt struggle mightly.

          • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

            So are you trying to make me feel better about the backup playing?

          • cliff henny

            no, you are posting like the issues with TB defense would be solved with Vick. played 1 above average defense this year…vick and offense was less than impressive.

          • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

            I didn’t say they would be solved with Vick. The question was did I feel better about Foles playing after seeing Foles in with the Giants game. My comment wasn’t a Vick vs. Foles comment. It was strictly about Foles.

            And to go the Vick angle…if our starter struggles against a tough defense, why would I feel better about the backup being in, particularly when we may need to lean heavily on the run game and he doesn’t bring anything to that dimension.

          • aub32

            Both QBs would have trouble in the air against Tampa. Vick just brings more to the run game. If Tampa’s front can limit our running game (and I’m not saying it can) then Foles is going to have a hard time. At least Vick could run or at the very least keep the DE honest or cause TB to stuff the box.

          • anon

            Personnel wise its probably better. They were number one stopping the run last year and b(r)ought the best secondary personnel in the league. They could not pull it together b/c of scheme or coaching but personnel is there.

        • Richard Colton

          yeah. Vick’s mobility would have been helpful but (Kelce aside) the O-line played much better on Sunday. Foles executed pretty well last week – we get the same performance vs. the Bucs, we’ll win.

          • aub32

            This has nothing to do with V vs F. Do you think Foles would have done as well if not given such good field position, and can he do it against TB if he has to drive the length of the field?

          • Richard Colton

            Can he do it? isn’t that the only question that matters?

          • aub32

            I don’t know and I have my doubts. I really hope he proves me wrong. I don’t expect great, but I think he should be able to do enough. He will need some help though imo

          • Richard Colton

            why not great? seriously. we deserve it. How awesome would it be if all of a sudden Foles turned into the next Tom Brady and the talkingheads on NFL Live are debating Foles vs. Luck? Then, with the 12th pick in the 2014 NFL draft, the Eagles select Jadaveon Clowney. That would give us something we haven’t had since 2004 – real excitement.

        • nicksaenz1

          It could conceivably be a long day. In fact, I think it will be, but more because of Tampa’s D than whoever our QB is. If their D gives fits to the Brees’ and Brady’s of the world, it’ll do the same for Vick and Foles…. oh and Foles moved the ball from the Eagles territory at the end of the half to get that FG.

          • anon

            only a FG? thought he was a red zone master??

          • nicksaenz1

            Did you read a post of mine that said that, because I don’t recall having said that.

          • defroe81

            there wasnt enough time on the clock. it was either try a shot or take the points coach took the points so your red zone master comment is irrelavent…

    • Wilbert31

      Why would you ignore the fg drive from the 7 before the half?

      • Andy124

        It’s called, “Having an agenda”.

      • Nah__Roots

        Gints were literally giving up anything but a TD at that point. Although, his last pass of that series to DJax was really nice and set up the easy FG.

    • defroe81

      you seem to just be a foles hater…

    • aub32

      Because that would ruin the Foles vs. Vick narrative that people would love to eat up on comment boards. Of course the true fans who pay attention and come to this site would never overlook such a glaring detail.

    • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

      lol

      Boy that Third quarter just doesn’t exist for folk. Granted it wasn’t all on Foles…but folk are acting like his wounded ducks are the same as Manning’s wounded ducks. They are not.

      • Token

        Sort of like how people act like Vicks career up to now didnt exist. Or How people act like Vick was playing well against the Giants. Or how people act like we werent 1-3 with your boy toy starting. 4-10 with him the last two years.

        • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

          None of that has anything to do with what I said. Notice I was talking about the here and now. Not some past time or last year or any of that.

          But sense you want to bring that up how many wins has Foles had as a Eagles starter? I’ll wait.

          And I’d say a 16-7 lead means playing well against the Giants.

          • Token

            Hey, whatever helps you sleep at night.

            Im just looking forward to next season when we wont hear from you and #7 anymore. You will be on the Jaguars, Vikings or Raiders message boards arguing with their fan base that Vick should be starting.

          • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

            I’ve been an Eagles fan for years. So if you think I’m going to stop commenting when Vick is gone…well, you’re going to be one disappointed soul.

        • anon

          We were winning when he went out right? Did you still think we were going to win before we got 4 turnovers? I didnt — I was pretty sure that game was over b/c we werent scoring and they were.

        • Dustan M. Howell

          Yeah, but the defense had nothing to do with those losses, right ? These Foles-lovers have the most amazing selective memory ever. That third quarter was awful. Even when Vick was struggling, notice how we still managed to move the ball and put points on the board ? Until those turnovers by the Giants, Nick Foles was stuck.

      • Dustan M. Howell

        Lol, while watching that 3rd quarter I thought there was no way in the world that we were going to score any points at all, unless we got a turnover; fortunately, that’s exactly what happened.

      • 1972

        yeah I saw a lot of holding the ball too long rolling out, and once he even stepped out of bounds when he should have thrown the ball away. But go head guys, keep listening to these talking heads tell you about how fast he gets rid of the ball. the entire 3rd and first possession of the 4th quarter he was TERRIBLE

  • defroe81

    all i know is that if foles can come in cold and do what he did why dont we just take a chance and use both qb’s? different situations different qb y the hell not what do we got to lose?

    • Dustan M. Howell

      Lol, games is what we have to lose. Vick is the better quarterback. I wish people would stop it with Foles already. He had OTAs, mini-camp, and training camp to take Vick’s job and he couldn’t. If Vick is healthy, it should be his job,period !

      • defroe81

        the way people talk about the D losing games doesnt matter doesnt matter if its vick or foles the way the D plays from all accounts we are going no where so why not try some trickery with two qbs?

        • Dustan M. Howell

          The NFC Least is wide open, and who knows once you get to the post-season. By using two Qbs, you disrupt the rhythm of the offense. There’s a reason why no team utilizes to QBs in the NFL

          • defroe81

            sure sure i have heard all that before bro i was even going to preface my comment with what you just wrote. im just saying situational given the lack of redzone tds with vick. why not keep them guessing is my point.

          • aub32

            Foles has 1 RZ TD (2 if you include the garbage against the Broncos). Where is this “Foles is a beast in the RZ” coming from. Some of you are just insane the way you overreact. This isn’t even in defense of Vick. I just want to know why o why you think all of our RZ woes will be fixed because Foles completed one fade pass against a bust of a CB?

          • cliff henny

            foles hasnt been giving the chance. he’s getting it sunday. i do think vick is better qb, would probably get eagles in RZ more often, all thing equal, but close to 3 yrs now, he’s struggled. if foles can get offense to be scoring more tds than fgs, that would certainly be plus. least this week, it’ll be apples to apples in terms of personell. that was the most maddening thing about last yr, foles was literally playing with backups.

          • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

            Foles has been given every chance and he has lost at every opp.

            Did Russell Wilson need 50-11 chances to prove he was the man? No? Then why with Foles?

            Our RZ issues go beyond just the QB so I”m not sure Foles is going ot be the one who solves them.

          • cliff henny

            opening another issue with Vick, it isnt if it’s when he’ll get hurt. vick’s the one giving foles all these shots. i’ll bet good money he’s not finished missing games this yr, and i’ll give him 2 for this hammy. just like to see what eagles have in foles, happily turn it back over to vick, see if they can win some games. have zero desire to see vick after ’13. i have no faith he can be healthy.

          • ICDogg

            I don’t think Foles got too many chances yet. Certainly not chances without a mangled O-line and without a battered group of skill players as well.

          • anon

            He’s playing under the same circumstances as Vick. No one cuts Vick slack for that.

          • ICDogg

            I do

          • nicksaenz1

            In fairness, Wilson’s competition was Matt Flynn…aka the new Kevin Kolb.

          • Richard Colton

            or is Kevin Kolb the new Brett Lindros?

          • aub32

            I would agree with you if this were last year, but Vick has 0 TOs in the RZ and has been a victim of more than a couple dropped TDs. Dropped passes are incompletes no matter who throws them.

          • cliff henny

            did say i think vick is better…but where foles can make up ground is if he performs better in RZ. Vick has stunk. i’m not foles supporter, perfer neither, but would benefit eagles if foles or barkley showed they were nfl qb.

          • aub32

            It would but that’s a big if to gamble on when in position to score points, especially with a cold QB. I want to win this year, and I don’t think experimenting with a young QB coming off the bench in the RZ is a good way to do that especially when the incumbent starter is doing his part more often than not.

          • cliff henny

            win what? are we watching the same defense?

          • aub32

            You mean a defense that gave the ball to Foles in plus territory 3 consecutive times in the 4th quarter. The D stinks. I get that, but they can be enough to win this division. I want to see this team with a chance in January, however slim that chance may be. Do you remember how it felt when we made that run in ’08. That team had no more talent than this team, but for a moment we appeared SB bound. Sure we won nothing, but I enjoyed having a chance. I don’t watch football thinking every year we don’t win it all we would have been better off going 0-16. Give this town some hope. Give these players some confidence. If we can win the division with this team. Imagine what next year will bring.

          • cliff henny

            well, if you can time machine #20 to this team, i’ll agree with your ‘same talent level theory’. i’m not giving up on season, winning breads winning. but think it’s a bit of homerism thinking this team is better than 8 or 9 wins. also couldnt care less about draft position, it’s not nba, dont have to have 1st pick.
            .
            ps i’m still tanking for wiggins! sixers win more than 12, i’ll be pissed!

          • aub32

            lol on wiggins

            8 or 9 games may win this division. I am not some delusional Vick fanatic that thinks he can make this team win the rest of their games. I just think if we can beat TB, then we have a chance to go on a run.

            Boykin is getting better/ LJ is getting better/ Curry is getting on the field/ Ertz is really starting to come along. There’s a chance this team could be good come week 16. (not great, good/ top 10 most likely at 10)

          • cliff henny

            like the youth, too. hate to say it, but think Dallas takes East. which, in reality, is a blessing. jones will think they are closer than they really are, spend more money, really f up an already messed up cap, and cowboys will be in serious trouble in about 2 or 3 more yrs. that romo contract is an albotross. has 17m guarenteed when he’s 37, and when 38, it’s 12m dead.

          • ICDogg

            If Romo keeps putting up 47 point 500 yard games, that contract will be more than worth it

          • aub32

            The talent on Dallas scares me, but then I remember they’re Dallas. Romo played the greatest game of his life and had one of the all time great performances by any QB in history. He even managed to outplay Peyton “Out of this World” Manning. Yet the Cowbys still lost. That just about sums them up in a nut shell.

          • Richard Colton

            it might be, it might not. there are things that I know about the 13 year pro that I only suspect about the 2nd year guy. But yeah, anyone who wants to make declarative statements about “redzone woes being over” is jumping the gun.

          • aub32

            Foles stepping in cold in RZ opportunities will look more like SD than the Giants. Also, Vick does present a rushing threat in the RZ, which has lead to points by either him rushing for 6 or freezing the DE so that the RB could do the same.

          • Richard Colton

            maybe. I saw Peyton Manning get a rushing TD in the redzone too. I’m excited to see what the kid brings to the table. Is he a player? will he ever be? do we need to draft a 1st rounder in April?

          • cliff henny

            heck, might need to get barkley in last couple games. i dont care who, but know it’s 1000xs better for Eagls if future qb is on roster.

          • Token

            I dont get why this small sample of people still feel the need to see MORE of Vick. How can you not be tired of it by now?

            Even if you dont really care, you should want the Eagles to see if they have anything in Foles/Barkley before next April.

            I dont think either are very good, but it makes the games a HELL of a lot more interesting than having to watch Vick again and again. We have been down this road long enough for people to know better.

          • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

            LMAO!!!

            Watching Foles is more interestign than watching Vick. Oh Man now I know whatever it is you’re smoking is powerful. You musta been buying that Time Machine from Silkroad before it was shut down.

            lol

          • aub32

            It’s not a need to see more of Vick. You don’t get it because you don’t care about any game this season, but some of us want to see the team win. Vick is the best QB we have now. There are plenty of other guys I would prefer, but they aren’t walking onto that field in an Eagles uniform. FOles had a chance to prove himself. He didn’t. Vick has had one bad game this season and up to this point fixed the turn over issue and has protected himself from taking big hits. He has lead the #2 offense in the league. What’s not to get. I get your point. You don’t care about the season. I disagree and think that’s silly, but I get it. Why is it so hard to get why fans of a team want that team to win? Do you really hate Vick that much that it blinds you to such obvious reasoning?

          • cliff henny

            maybe it’ll work out well for everyone. get small sample size of foles, vick comes back and gets couple of extra wins. i agree you dont play lesser talented guys just to see them…it’s not like foles wasnt given fair shot in PS. sorry, vick maybe qb of #2 offense, ut he still leaves alot to be desired. foles not beating him out is why i’m 100% positive we’re drafting qb in spring

          • aub32

            I have no problem with Foles playing a game or two. Though I would love to see Vick against the Cowboys as he has yet to lose a game to them in an Eagles uniform and has had his best performances against them. If Foles does start I will root for him. I’m worried how he will do moreso because TB has a really good secondary. If he can show some things, that would be great. Maybe Howie can pull off another Kevin Kolb like deal. Maybe he becomes the franchise player, I won’t rule that out. I just think he’s not the best QB on the team right now and his flaws get overlooked by some because of their desire to see anything new (not Vick).

          • defroe81

            so foles only get 6 games in his rookie season to prove himself… wow. go vick go!

          • Richard Colton

            I go back and forth on this issue Token. On one hand, I want the Eagles to win – to get at least a taste of the playoffs. I think Vick gives us the best chance to do that this year. On the other hand, the future isn’t MV. I think we all know that.

          • aub32

            Foles is Peyton now? Peyton even had the camera man fooled. When Foles puts up Peyton like numbers to the point where teams respect everything he does so much that they literally forget he could run one yard. Then fine

          • Richard Colton

            Last time Foles played Tampa Bay…anyway, I won’t be painted into a corner where I’m defending a second year guy on whom the jury is still way out. But yeah, a guy with Foles’ mobility can run this system.

          • aub32

            Revis, Goldson, and Banks weren’t on last year’s Bucs. Foles is going to have a much harder time.

          • defroe81

            foles will never get the chance to even try to put up those numbers. i like how once vick got injured all the vick supporters who claim to be eagles fans are quick to bring him down when people make comments on what his strengths are. and instantly compare vick to him on their own… yall are funny.

          • defroe81

            no one said our redzone woes are over. just seems that with the short field he was given he capitalized on it. which for some reason i dont see or havent seen vick doing. oh boy nevermind go vick go!

          • defroe81

            never said he was a beast but from what i saw even last year in the bucs game and this giants game he seems to be doing better in the redzone than vick has done, but i know i know vick is your hero and cant do no wrong so you win vick is the best and has no issues. go vick go!

          • defroe81

            im not sure anymore if vick gives us the best chance to win i know he gives us the best chance to make tons of yards but what do all those yards matter at the end of the day when we dont win stall in the redzone and score 3 points… i get it vick won the job and if vick plays sunday im rooting for him. unlike your self who is quick to talk down about foles.

      • #7

        I think the two QB system has been proven not to work..on almost every level

      • theycallmerob

        Ah yes….if only he stays healthy and consistent. Vick should have trouble with that.

    • aub32

      That worked so well against the Chargers.

  • anon

    If we lose sunday b/c of offensive play i feel bad for whoever is QB. Media is going to have a field day. I feel like every game is must win until we get some separation from Dallas.

  • GEagle

    props to Tim for actually dressing like a Professional on McPhersons segment on PE.com while Mosher showed up on video looking like a Hobo with a jeans and tennis sneakers with Giant bowed laces( SK take notes lol)

    • #7

      ?????????

      • GEagle

        Unless you are doing radio…Look the part!!!

  • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

    “The simple threat of the quarterback keeping the ball or firing a bubble
    screen to the perimeter is enough to keep a handful of defenders from
    pursuing the ball aggressively, which leads to bigger running lanes on
    the front side.”

    There are several ALL-22 that show that isn’t really the case with Foles in the game – the DEs come crashing down and don’t think twice about it. No hesitation at all.

    Now the short game might improve, though I still expect Tampa’s defense to sit on those in a similar manner as they have been recently – so we’re gonna need someone not named DJax to step up on those intermediate routes.

    • ICDogg

      For Foles (and, for that matter, for Barkley) to succeed he has to become a master of timing and accuracy. His arm won’t scare anyone. His legs won’t scare anyone. But he can still succeed by making quick throws and trusting his receivers to be in the right place at the right time, and by not making stupid decisions.

    • Bdawk20

      Still at it I see. Read: http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles/20131009_Foles_shows_a_knack_for_timing_in_passing_game.html And before you claim DeSean Jackson’s bomb against the Giants was a “beautifully thrown pass”, it should have been an INT, but the Giants are inept.

  • defroe81

    im not even trying to take away from vicks performance thus far this year he has been great im sticking with him if he fine to play but a lot of you refuse to keep an open mind about the back up and his chances of being the future. with no even a full season to look at him all of you know that he isnt the future seems more like biased opinions to me anyhow go eagles go vick go foles.