Eagles Wake-Up Call: The Effects Of Long-Term Thinking

Win the day.

It was Chip Kelly’s motto at Oregon, and it’s a slogan Eagles players can expect to hear quite a bit in the coming months.

The idea is not unique to Kelly. Scan the country, and you’ll find football coaches at various levels use different words to say the same thing.

Take care of the little things, and the big things will take care of themselves.

Focus on getting better today, and you’ll see long-term results.

Kelly, Howie Roseman and the Eagles are in the process of striking a delicate balance. They’re focused on laying the foundation for a winning program, and they’d like to be competitive in 2013. As we’ve seen in the past, dramatic turnarounds, even for teams coming off of 4-12 seasons, are possible.

Then again, the Eagles know they’re not especially close to fielding a Super Bowl-caliber roster. In the past, they thought they were a player or two away. They went for it, reaching on draft picks and making questionable decisions that ultimately led to last year’s disaster.

And so, Kelly and Roseman are fully aware that there are still holes on the roster, even though all of the team’s major offseason moves have been made.

“When you look at the draft, it’s a long-term investment for your football team,” Roseman said. “If you start trying to predict who’s going to be on your team a year, two, three years from now, you’re going to make mistakes, and we understand that.”

If you’re wondering why the Eagles didn’t make more of an effort to address their secondary early in the draft, Roseman’s answer provides the explanation.

They added cornerbacks Cary Williams and Bradley Fletcher in free agency, to go along with safeties Patrick Chung and Kenny Phillips. They spent a fifth-round pick on safety Earl Wolff and added corner Jordan Poyer in the seventh. But if you’re looking for a guaranteed above-average starter in the group, you’re going to have some trouble.

“I don’t know,” Kelly said, when asked if he thought they had enough talent in the secondary. “But we’re bound by the rules we have, so it’s not like I can say, ‘Hey, let’s go grab that guy.’ He’s probably under contract. We’re going to go with the guys we have.

“We used free agency, I thought we did a really good job in our approach to that. I thought we did a good job in the draft, and now we have to get on the field and coach them up and go play.”

The Eagles wanted to stay away from bad free-agent contracts that they might regret in the future. And they didn’t want to reach to fill needs in the draft. They ended up with a total of eight picks, made their evaluations and stuck to their board.

But they realize there’s plenty of work to be done in the coming months and in future offseasons.

“We’re coming off a very disappointing year and we’re trying to get pointed in the right direction,” Roseman said. “No matter what happens, there is no time to rest on it. There’s always a way to try and improve the team and improve all areas of this organization and try and get better. Hopefully that is getting the ship in the right direction and we’ll look back at some point and continue to get better.”

WHAT YOU MISSED

T-Mac provides an inside look at Michael Vick’s offseason training, including a bout with a ninja stick.

The Eagles checked out free-agent defensive end/linebacker Trevor Scott.

Some weekend reading, including one national writer calling the Eagles the league’s “biggest mystery.”

WHAT THEY’RE SAYING

Eagles owner Jeffrey Lurie re-married to Philadelphia resident Tina Lai, according to an Inquirer report:

Lai will have no official role in the Eagles organization. Lurie’s wedding was attended by family and close friends.

“I am happy and excited as Tina and I begin our lives together,” Lurie said in a statement.

Tommy Lawlor of IgglesBlitz.com makes an interesting Vick comparison:

I think Vick can be similar to Jeff Garcia from 2006. That offense needed a strong run game. The passing attack was a mixture of efficient and explosive.  Garcia was a fiery leader that the other players fed off. Vick has a stronger arm and is more mobile than Garcia, but Jeff was an expert at the WCO while Vick will be learning Kelly’s offense. Vick should have a good OL and he will have the best set of skill players he ever worked with.

COMING UP

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  • Dominik

    “I don’t know,” Kelly said, when asked if he thought they had enough
    talent in the secondary. “But we’re bound by the rules we have, so it’s
    not like I can say, ‘Hey, let’s go grab that guy.’ He’s probably under
    contract. We’re going to go with the guys we have.

    Not exactly what I wanted to hear from Kelly, to be honest.

    • http://twitter.com/THEKID_ Mike Jehle

      I hear what you’re saying…but I find it refreshing versus the last 14 years of “I’ve got to do a better job…i’m not getting into that…times yours”

    • BigPeopleBeatUpLittlePeople

      I agree its not reassuring, but we all know its an honest assessment. Their secondary was horrible. But they signed 4 free agents and drafted 2 more in the secondary. That’s 3 new corners and 3 new safeties. What else can they do at this point? He won’t know for sure how good they are in his system until they start practicing and playing. I’m at least REassured in that they are not trying to sell us a “SuperBowl or Bust” label for this coming season. We’d be hearing that from Andy and Joe Banner by now for sure.

      • Dominik

        It wasn’t really criticism on Kelly, from my perspective. He seems like a relatively honest HC.

        But I would have a better feeling if I thought Kelly would have more trust in the guys we have. Honest trust, not just ‘I say I trust them’. Obviously, that’s tough, because he doesn’t know the guys from training.

        Personally, I think we have a solid secondary, but only if they stay healthy. I don’t like Chung, like many Eagles Fans on this board, because I saw too many bad games from him, but Phillips can be a really good Safety. We all watched a lot of Giants games, I think, because of the rivalry, and I really liked him there when he was in full possession of his powers.

        Fletcher and Williams seem like pretty good cover guys. It would be important that Wolff plays a good rookie campaign, so we don’t have to give Chung many snaps.

        If all those things play out we still don’t have an elite secondary – but one that doesn’t lose many games for you. And that’s all we need for year one of the Kelly era.

        • JofreyRice

          Considering what they paid him, and Wolff’s draft status, I’d say Chung is the presumptive starter, unless he really sucks in TC.

          Honestly, I read that Kelly’s an offensive guy. I get the sense that he’d be happy as hell with the secondary giving up big plays & points as long as he outscored the other team. I feel like you do about the secondary–dying for some improved players and play–but maybe Kelly’s offense can change the paradigm of acceptable defense. It could be that JJ’s mantra of only giving up 17 points a game can be expanded upwards to some number, because Kelly’s offense is regularly putting more points on the board.

          Like post-JJ Reid, the whole key to the success of the team is going to be on the offense. If the Eagles are losing high-scoring affairs this season, I’ll take that as a positive sign, and hope they realize the value of high-quality safety play going forward.

          • CJ

            If you’re leading a regime-change and knew going in that your offense had more talent than your defense (but still needed some help), you basically have 2 choices:

            Improve the offense to get at least one side of the ball as close to your standards as possible, or improve the defense which was the glaring weakness of the team so that you’re at least middle of the road in both areas.

            Which increases your ability to win more: one great unit and one bad unit, or two average at best units? Or forget winning, which will instill the culture and the standard level desired sooner? I think Kelly and Roseman’s goal in this first offseason is to bring in enough pieces on D to get by, and get the offense as close to right as possible. Let them set the pace and the standard and see what happens. If they’re as good as they think they can be, the D will improve (even only marginally maybe, but anything helps) just by having to go up against that every day in practice. That seems counter-intuitive to a degree, but the more I look at it, the more I agree with it.

            I think this offseason approach isn’t a trend, but rather a once-off adjustment so we can kind of see what we have and who develops and how the pieces fit, so what we know what we have going into next offseason which is pretty widely acceptable as a much better draft than this year’s, particularly at the top. The really big deal is next offseason: do we make a play for Clowney, draft a Bridgewater/Manziel/Boyd, or go in a completely different direction? How many sure-fire starters do we go get in free agency next year?

          • JofreyRice

            “Which increases your ability to win more: one great unit and one bad unit, or two average at best units?” I’m not really sure what the answer to that question is. I’d guess one elite level unit to “win the game” for you, and one mediocre one, that can at least not lose it. Just an anectdotal example, but were the Ravens elite in any one area? Seemed like a team win for them.

            You could be right. Right now, Kelly fits the definition of an offensive “guru”–a guy that’s developed his own philosophies out of existing ones and applied them successfully. Going forward? Maybe he develops a more holistic approach to the team, or maybe his offense is special enough to carry the team while the defense does the minimum amount necessary.

            I think this year will be a great way to judge what kind of QB situation we’ll have going forward. Kelly can see what his preferred method of constructing an NFL offense will be, and what kind of QB he’ll need to run it. If we can’t find franchise QB play from a guy on our roster, we have no reason to stick with any of the guys we have. Foles & Barkley are mid-rounders without real upside in terms of athletic ability or arm talent, and Vick is old, battered, and mistake & injury prone. I’d think they’d have to target a guy in the ’14 draft. Really, to give Kelly a fair shot, he should have a handpicked QB.

          • CJ

            I think the goal is to have a balanced attack. Eventually. But to expect that in year 1 with a team as bad as this was just isn’t possible. Looking back in history, most “gurus” focus more on getting the players for the other side of the ball, thinking that they can do more with less on the side they know best. One thing we do know, at least early on, is that Chip doesn’t have that mentality. Over the next 1-2 years, we’ll find out if his approach to bringing in talent shifts more toward a balanced approach (which I expect) or skews more towards his side of the ball and hoping that the D gets to just good enough to not lose. That doesn’t sound like “shutoutability” to me though.

            I truly think this offseason was a one-off approach and not indicative of a new trend. Just getting guys in the door that can help with the scheme change to make sure they have enough pieces. Then see where they all fit, move the pieces that don’t and the guys that choose not to buy in, and really focus on talent for the D in year 2. Year 1 they’re just filling holes, building a culture, and developing the back half of a horrendous roster.

          • CJ

            Although the wild-card in that is if DeAnthony Thomas comes out next year. I didn’t realize he was eligible to turn pro next year.

    • southy

      I think it’s kind of refreshing to have that sort of an honest answer. They’ve taken a stab at improving the secondary, but were disciplined enough to be patient and take what their draft board gave them, and not go with the “baseball approach” of seeking out high-priced guys to fill specific holes.

      It will be really interesting to see how it shakes out, I imagine, both for us and the coaching staff.

    • http://www.philthycanuck.com/ Adam

      Truth hurts, I suppose. I think the key word here is “enough”. If he was asked if we had ANY talent there, then I’d be a bit more concerned. Look at corner, we’ve got our starters, but what about after that? Safety is up in the air as well. A couple of injuries in the back end and it could get ugly.

      Important part is “..and now we have to get on the field and coach them up and go play.” This will be the key.

      • rzeagle973

        Being transparent is Kelly’s best bet to winning over the fans of Philly and he knows that, and that is why he continues to give his honest opinion and that all anyone could ask for with him actually not knowing his players in depth. As for the secondary I’m really only worried about safety simply because we have good backups whether anyone knows it or not, Trevard Lindley is back which is one of my favorite corners, Curtis Marsh stood his own for a while last year with the little playing time he did receive and according to a piece written by Jeff McLane Of The Inquirer Marsh was a step from starting not only due to injury but because they wouldn’t have traded Samuel if they didn’t think Cromartie could step in and play the left and if they didn’t think Marsh would be ready to play if he had to. At 6’1 197 he definitely fits with Kelly a bit heavier than Cary Williams and younger.

        Article:

        (http://articles.philly.com/2012-06-05/news/32056666_1_eagles-dominique-rodgers-cromartie-curtis-marsh)

        Brandon Hughes As well is decent being named 2× Second-team All-Pac-10 honors. Was drafted by the chargers in 2009 and suffered a season ending injury. After being placed on injured reserve the giants signed him to their practice squad. The Eagles then signed him to replace Ellis Hobbs who was placed on IR. Brandon just hasn’t had the opportunity to prove himself, given the chance I believe he could be more than a serviceable backup

    • Roasty

      Definitely not reassuring but neither are the names in our secondary. I think what is lost on a lot of us is the year that Brandon Boykin had. He played better than two pro bowlers on the outside of him as a rookie and its a possibility that he improves enough to play outside. I know he is short and thats not what Kelly looks for but it’s just food for thought

      • JofreyRice

        I think Boykin was an average nickel back, which made him look superhuman next to stiffs like DRC and disgraced CB Nnamdi Asomugha. Considering Boykin was just a rookie playing in one of the worst secondaries in the league, looking average was quite an accomplishment. All in all, I’d agree he does have promise as a competent starter in the slot.

    • xlGmanlx

      So you wanted him to try and sign players that were under contract?

      • Dominik

        You’re kidding, right? If you read between the lines, you get that Kelly isn’t perfectly sold on his secondary. There are explanations for this, but that’s more or less a fact.

        The question is: should the Eagles have invested a little bit more money in FA or a higher draft pick to get players who are supposed to be better? Or is it the smart thing to do to invest only short time in rebuilding mode and in one or two years big time, when we are hopefully back on track.

        • xlGmanlx

          So what exactly would you like the iggs to do? For all we know, they targeted other players in FA or via trade and it didn’t work out. They drafted who they drafted. So he can either say, oh well, guess we should just wait for 2014, or say what he said and that they are going to do the best with what they got.

          Let me guess “trade back and pick up more picks” right? How about kelly stated that nobody really was looking to trade with them. Easy to armchair quarterback when you don’t have a clue what really went on. They are making sound and timely decisions and not breaking the bank on big “names” like in the past.

          Oh, all it takes is investing more money and selecting the better player? Why didn’t the other 31 other teams think of that!

  • http://www.philthycanuck.com/ Adam

    I’ll say it again, Rome wasn’t built in a day. If you have a set plan in free agency (no big contracts, no older players) and in the draft (trusting to board 100%) you just cannot re-build an entire team in 1 off-season. I do believe this is the best approach, even if it provides some less than desirable results early. Look at the success of teams like SF and GB, they got there by trusting their board and drafting well, so they don’t need big FA splashes.

    • JofreyRice

      I am very anxious to see how this all comes together. I do like a more draft-centric approach to teambuilding, but refusing to add players in free agency unless they are young second-stringers, or previously injured seems pretty prohibitive. Free agents can help teams. Eschewing it completely, unless you’re getting a deal because a guy was benched or banged up seems like a very rigid way to teambuild, IMO, and risks completely neglecting certain positions based on the market.

      The team might benefit a lot from getting a “little” better at a position of screaming need, even if that perfect player solution is not available. Despite what Roseman said, it seems as if the free agency moves of 2010 made them very bearish in that arena, for fear of misstep. I think that’s short-sighted for the same reason I think it’s short-sighted to avoid drafting safeties high because Allen & Jarrett didn’t work out. The problem was with the decision making in regards to players, not in regards to needs.

      Totally agreed that we’re in the process of a multi-year rebuild. The decisions of the front office have left the cupboard bare, and it’s not going to all be restocked in one offseason. I don’t like how they’ve dealt with the secondary at all, though. I love that they’re taking a shot on Kenny Phillips, but our last Giants injury castoff didn’t work out so well–I don’t think it’s safe to assume Phillips will, either. Fletcher and Chung both played themselves out of future plans with their old clubs.

      I think it’s very likely that we’ll head into the season with Nate Allen & Chung as the safeties, and that the big plays will continue to plague the team. Considering the cap flexibility and talent that available in free agency and the draft, I think that’s just a damn shame.

      • http://www.philthycanuck.com/ Adam

        Agreed. It’s very concerning that the safety position was not addressed in one of the best free agency periods and draft classes for that position in recent memory. It looks as though they wanted to avoid the FA’s completely because of the large money that was being handed out (which we could have afforded easily, but I guess they didn’t feel it was good value) and decided they try their luck in the draft, which obviously didn’t pan out either.

        According to some stuff I’ve been reading, Jax did field some calls on that first pick in the 2nd, so I’m hoping the Eagles at least looked into it, but Cyprien was their guy all along, probably would have cost us a lot to move up.

        • Tom W

          How did they not address safety in free agency or the draft to meet your needs?

          What did you want them to do differently in free agency and the draft …players and rds please

          • http://www.philthycanuck.com/ Adam

            Are you actually asking this question? Where to begin, how about trading back from 4. Could have go tVaccaro or Reid. Or trade into the end of the 1st and get Cyrpien or Elam. Swearinger, McDonald.. all viable options. Free agency? Gholson, Quin, Moore just to name a few.

            Is signing 2 guys, 1 who was benched and 1 who can’t stay healthy, plus drafting a late rounder instil a ton of confidence in that position for you?

          • JofreyRice

            This is where we transition from a frank discussion of strengths and weaknesses of the team, what’s possible and what’s realistic in the long and short term, into blind militant Spadaro-style homerism. Some of these guys just gobble up the propaganda.

          • http://www.philthycanuck.com/ Adam

            Exactly. I think a better question for him would be, given the circumstances (FA’s available, safety class in draft) does he feel the Eagles did everything they could to address a clear position of a need. I’m not sure there’s any way anyone could say yes.

          • B-West

            I am comfortable in believing the Eagles did everything within reason to address the safety position during free agency. Free agency equals overpaying as a baseline, and given that the Eagles were not an attractive situation this off season, the price would have ticked up even more. Cap space is an asset that should be valued, not spent because you have it. Why not build the roster up a little bit, and then spend the cap space to fill needs when they are closer to contention? And lets say the are Eagles 3-4 years away from making a real run at the Super Bowl, why start locking yourself into long term free agent contracts this offseason? Who knows where those guys will be in their careers at that point?

            As for the draft, I like how they handled it. Plain and simple. The Eagles are in a rebuilding, young talent acquisition phase. A need, even one as glaring as S, should not have factored into the draft at all.

          • GEagle

            would you like a first round safety? Sure, but then you don’t get a first round tackle…you are complaining because we didn’t draft Vaccaro or Reid? Those dudes aren’t worth the 4th pick in the draft, so what are you talking about? Did you happen to miss the 3times where chip said, sure you probably would like to move back, but if NO ONE CALLS trying to trade up, what are you supposed to do? Sure you could have drafted Swearinger, but then you wouldn’t have Ertz…Dashon Goldson is a sexy player, but you have to be out of your mind to give him 7mil a year…when you are coming off a 4-12 season, coaching and scheme changes, it would be a mistake IMO, to overpay for more certainty in 2013 at a certain position. They added players who could help a little in 2013, but who are still improving and project to have a chan at being solid starting players by 2015….
            …..
            I don’t think we are going to have a top defense in 2013…but I think the foundation they laid for our future defense was brilliant. Without screwing up the cap, we added a hungry, young, fringe player who is still improving at every position. The plan is to draft a young talent at all the positions of free agents that we added within the first two years of the rebuilding process. That way you have competition for staring positions..free agents will either act as placeholders til the replacement is drafted AND developed, or because the free agents are still young enough, some will be pushed by the drafted prospects to become better starting players….you might not like ALL our free agents as the starter of our future, but all are still improving besides Sopo, and worst case scenario they can be very capable second stringers of a top defense of the future….
            for example: You might not like Chung as our starting Safety, but once we have a quality starting replacement, you will like Chung, as your backup safety..same goes with Fletcher…

            The plan is to have a young veteran, and a draft pick, to compete for all the starting spots…to achieve that, we will still have to draft another outside corner, another safety(especially if Nate gets cut or you don’t extend him), a Mike and a SAM….I don’t think the defense is necessarily that far away, I. Terms of needing to add players…but we are far away from our players being developed

          • xlGmanlx

            I think the point is that kind of mindset got us the JJ’s, Colemans, Andersons, Halls, Teo’s, Smiths, Allens, Bunkleys, Harbors, etc of the world. Staying true to the board and trying to draft BPA is a start to address it but trying to get better players in the trenches, and not just lip service or “fast balls” is the first step.

          • Wilbert M.

            It’s not a perfect situation, but it’s better than last year. Chip is going to overhaul the offense this year and try to put a decent defense on the field. They are duct taping the secondary and seeing who are keepers. Chung and Phillips have 1st round physical talent and have been good NFL players in the past. Chung (like Allen) came off the rails for some reason, but there’s a good chance they can get back on track. If Phillips is healthy we’ll have a good safety. These seem like reasonable reaches, especially when the Eagles have so many holes and can’t fix them all at once.

          • http://www.philthycanuck.com/ Adam

            Eh, I think here are a lot of “what ifs” in what you said, and at the end of the day we lack anyone in the secondary that is proven AND can stay healthy. I think saying there’s a “good chance” Allen and Chung can get back on track is purely speculative, there’s an equal (if not greater) chance that they don’t get back on track.

            At the end of the day, adding 1 solid starting safety with a proven track record with little to no health concerns, or a solid rookie with a high upside was not out of the realm of possibility, especially considering the cap space we had, and they failed to do so. They’re banking on some banged up guys or guys that fell out grace. It may work out, it may not. Only time will tell.

          • xlGmanlx

            and zero of those guys have been coached by Chip Kelly and his new staff. I’m willing to see what he can do before I rush to judgement.

          • http://www.philthycanuck.com/ Adam

            and that’s fine, but it’s not just the coaching that’s the problem. Unless Chip can coach up some ACL’s, I’m not exactly comfortable with banking on that.

          • xlGmanlx

            I think with better scheme and coaching the front 7 should be able to alleviate some of the issues along with the FA’s and 2013 class. Agreed it isn’t a strength but if we improve in the trenches, I think the secondary gets a reprieve this year.

      • Tom W

        What did you want them to do differently in the secondary?

        • JofreyRice

          Add starting caliber players without injury histories to retool one of the the worst secondaries in the entire league, either through free agency, or the draft. Add a safety somewhere in the first 3 rounds.

          I’m not in the scouting department, nor am I the GM, so I’m really under no obligation to figure out specifically whom they should add, but I have commented on it plenty, anyway. Look it up if you’re curious.

          • GEagle

            What happens if two years from now, Kruger, Poyer, Wolff, and Logan are all developed into quality starters?…that happening is far from a guarentee, but certainly possible…I seriously don’t understand what you have to complain about…what starting young corners would you have liked to add in free agency, that fit the theme of:
            1)Young/still improving
            2)High Charecter
            3) most importantly, players who can start, but weren’t looking to cash in, who you could sign to contracts that would keep them Hungry, and in check?…

            What players in free Agency did we miss out on that fit the criteria?
            we added a safety and a cornerback during the draft, who both have the potential to be developed into NFL starters(that’s half the secondary)…I’m really not sure what more they could have done in this offseason?
            sure there were free agents who’s talents I would have loved to add, take for example a guy like Jared Cook…Ultra Talented kid, but how can signing an underachiever to a mega contract be a good idea, regardless of how talented they are? giving out a mega contract, to questionable Charecter, and under achieves mean you have NO CONTROL over them…every player we signed, Even Barwin, we have a tight leash on due to the contracts they signed..Players looked like they got paid, but in reality all those contracts can turn into one year deals without us taking much of a cap hit…who else could you have signed, fitting these criteria?

            THis offseason was absolutely brilliant. NO SHORT CUTS. NO DUMB signings…I honestly couldn’t ask for more, or have envisioned such an amazing year 1 rebuilding offseason…They seriously decided to build this the right way, and adding as much as they did is very exciting. A+ Offseason!

          • JofreyRice

            It’s great that you’re in zippity doo-dah mode, but you have to realize that the odds of both Poyer and Wolff turning into starting caliber players and contributing at a high level are pretty long. The reality is that they are 5th and 7th round picks. There’s quite a big difference between signing young ascending players, and young guys that have been benched by their former squads (Chung & Fletcher). The Eagles signed 4 guys to retool the secondary, one of which was a starter in the NFL last year, and really only an average one, at best. That’s the deal.

            I’ve got no beef with taking a flyer on Phillips, but you have to make other plans in case he doesn’t work out. Drafting a guy in the 5th round isn’t making other plans. We’ve been plagued by big plays in the secondary now for how many years? That’s a direct reflection of the poor safety play. I was hoping in a year where there were so many good options in free agency and the draft, the Eagles would address it a little more aggressively than they did. Howie can’t shy away from adding guys that could help the team because he blundered his way through free agency in 2010 or missed on previous draft picks. He’s got to learn from the mistakes he made in assessing those players and move forward.

          • GEagle

            Ok, so you refuse to tell me who would you have signed that fit our 3 criteria…
            Chung and Fletcher, we’re benched when trying to play thru injuries…They just completed a Physical, full participants in a high paced 3 day mini camp, and are still improving..Fletcher WAS NOT benched because of his play, and Chung was benched during a time that he was trying to play thru injuries,…
            ….
            I’m not zipping do Dan about nothing, I just recognize the human side, and don’t look at draft picks in terms of what they do in as rookies…Please don’t talk to me about 5th and 7th round picks, talk to me about individual players…because I can list countless guys drafted in rounds 5-7 who went on to make the rest of the league look stupid…you don’t see me Gaga over King, why because I don’t believe in his game, not because he was drafted in the 7th round…Giants secondary was atrocious, why didn’t they add anyone to it? Because they expect young players to develope and improve…

          • JofreyRice

            Oh gee, I’ve said it plenty, listed a bunch of DBs, DTs, DEs, and S’s that would make the team better, throughout the whole free agency process & draft. I’m not into repeating myself post after post–it’s pointless who I want, anyway; the FO has to get it right.

            Maybe their moves all work out, we can’t say. What we can observe, objectively, is that they’ve made very small potatoes moves to improve the secondary. Really, I think the 4 million dollars they spent to let disgraced CB Nnamdi walk away was the biggest one–addition by subtraction. Now, we saw what a big move did for them in 2011, but should that preclude them from trying to add a guy that can step in and help immediately? I don’t think so. The Texans made the right choice, and got Jonathan Joseph to step in and help that defense to turn around almost immediately. It’s not shocking to see a big ticket free agent step in and contribute.

            Trying to convince me that Fletcher and Chung were injured doesn’t really make me feel much better about the moves; 3 injury reclamation projects & 1 average starter vs. 2 guys who were benched, an injury reclamation project and an average starter.

          • GEagle

            I didn’t ask you what corners and safeties you liked….I asked what what safety/corner you liked that fit the 3 criteria I listed…I don’t see too many other options…..would you prefer to do stupid signings like KC who gave a ton of money to a deteriorating corner in Dunta, who tackles better than he covers?

            …the only other corner that made sense was Antoine Winfield, because he signed for cheap(but probablyheave Seatle a discount for being such a good team)…but he is old, and didn’t fit our young criteria

          • JofreyRice

            Who says that their 3 criteria is correct? Who says you’re not just deducing what 3 criteria they used from the signing results?

            I’m advocating more aggressive attempts to improve secondary by making different decisions, not making the same decisions within the framework of the process they used–whatever that may be. Obviously, I don’t think they made the right decisions, so why would I constrain myself to the “criteria” you decided they operated under?

          • GEagle

            Fact of the matter is, Poyer, Wolff, Kruger, Logan, all have a skillset that has been successful in the NFL at 1 time or another. They are good kids, who all are intelligent at there positions…since you or I know NOTHING about twho they are, how hard they will work, how hard they will study…you either trust your coaches and decision makers or you don’t. All of those players have a skillet that has succeeded, and you know NOTHING bout there Charecter and mental side, so how can you have anything negative to say about them? We didn’t act for Jaquain Jarret, we didn’t draft Kafka who’s skill set had a great shot at not translating…we drafted good kids, who have a chance to be quality playrs on a good team, nothing more, nothing less…I trust that the front office did their due diligence on their FBi, and work ethic/Charecter…nothing to do but sit back, and see how they develope…Just cause we all have our favorites in the draft, and there are sexier names, it’s all just a crap shoot, that YOU CAN’T NARROW DOWN AS A FAN because your aren’t privy to the intangible parts of their games…I had my favorites to leading up to the draft, I had players I believed in more as well, but the draft is over, and I would have to be foolish to shit on plays that weren’t reaches or head scratching Teo Nesham type Draft picks. Trust me, the were players in this draft that I liked more than the guys we got at these positions…but just because I liked a player more, and majority of front offices liked a player more, it doesn’t mean that we are right, and the front office is wrong…there have been about 5% of draft picks ever drafted that we’re sure shot, beast NFL players…the other 95%, where crap shoots that required projecting, and they came in rd 1 form, round 7 form, and everything In between…

            I don’t like the king pick at all…and the were about 5 kids on the board that I still believed in, but the king pick wasn’t a reach, so you don’t see me trashing him..you want my oppinion on King, it’s yet to be determined…I won’t EVER, Kill a draft pick unless it was a reach…I will kill prospects leading up to the draft, o make my point…but once they are Eagles, I try and have 2-3 years worth of patience and an open mind, as long as I trust our coaching staff, and decision makers

    • Richard Colton

      well said Adam

  • knighn

    I think it is a fascinating balance. “Win The Day” versus “Win Long Term”. “Win The Day” is what the team needs to do every day to get better, including long term.

    However, no matter how many days the Eagles win between now and the playoffs, and no matter how many pro-bowl caliber players the Eagles could have potentially added in 2013 free agency, it’s still a humongous stretch to say that the Eagles can win the Super Bowl this season or next season. The 2015 season is the earliest season where the Eagles can make a serious run. So why pay potentially disruptive overpriced free agents for two years when everyone and their brother knows the Eagles aren’t ready to win it all in 2013 or 2014? Will those overpriced free agents even be able to play in 2015 or 2016? That’s a big risk you’re taking.

    That is the reality of the situation as I’m looking at it. Of course I’m hoping that the Philadelphia Eagles win every Super Bowl for the next million years or so, but I’m a fan and I have the luxury of hope. If I’m the GM or the head coach the first thing I realistically have to think about is just building a team.

  • http://twitter.com/Lez215 Dutch

    This is the Eagles, historically a team who solicits banged up players on their last leg. The Free Agent signees aren’t expected to proved much beyond warm bodies for camps. When was the last time Phillips made every practice in training camp? Chung under the microscope looks worse than Coleman, with more experience.

    Winning teams in the NFL at some point have difference makers who rise to the occasion in big games. Free Agents are designed to fill specific needs and occasionally be the different making addition. The Eagles filled needs, which is part of the equation. but their additions are the bare minimum.

    How can the FA signees not be longshots to make this team, despite the horrid safety play of Coleman and Allen?

    Acquiring the likes of Chung, and Phillips is just another in a long line of ridiculous personal moves based on either’s history over the past two years. The question doesn’t stop at the defensive back who were signed, but the addition in 2013 Free Agent signings period.

    These personal moves are just more of the Roseman residue. The same residue which saw Samuels traded for a low round pick to the Falcons.
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    • Tom W

      What did you want them to do differently in the secondary in free agency in 2013?

    • eaglepete

      Remember a lot of players thrive in different systems under different coaches and schemes. That being said of course you still need the horses and sometimes the coaching doesnt matter. I think they are fine playing it smart rather than reaching at this point of the rebuild. Its the next offseason and the one after that, where they can dig deeper for better top end talent and the options will be better anyway than now. Im fine with that. I just dont see much good in getting a top end guy on a 3 yr or so contract where his skillset might not even matter til his 3rd year anyway.

    • xlGmanlx

      So you’re saying you can remake a team into a SB contender in one offseason? I don’t think anybody in the igg’s office thinks that, so you do what they are doing, changing the culture, upgrading the talent across the board and creating competition. The only ones with unrealistic expectations are the fans and the media, nothing new.

  • http://www.facebook.com/dennis.kozubal Dennis Kozubal

    A lot of are missing the point. He flat out said they ain’t going anywhere next season but you can’t just give up now. It’s a rebuilding year . Take it as it is. Stop thinking that some player that hits free agency has one good year or so and he’s that answer because there’s a reason why the previous team didn’t resign them