The Sorry Lives and Confusing Times of Today’s Young Men

They don't have jobs. They're dropping out of college. They play video games all day and watch porn all night. Even their sperm counts are low. Why won't guys grow up?

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THE WOMEN ARE IRATE. The women are talking about men, young men, the men they’d like to date and marry, and are they ever pissed. Here’s what they’re saying:

“All they want is sex. They don’t care about relationships.”

“They’re so lazy.”

“All they do is play video games.”

“They aren’t men. They’re boys.”

The women are a little bewildered. They’re good girls. They followed the script: did well in high school, got into college, worked hard there, got out, got jobs, started looking around for someone special to share life with, and …

“I met a guy the other night. Good-looking, smart. Twenty-eight years old. He still lives at home. With his mom.” Young men are now nearly twice as likely as young women to live with their parents; 59 percent of guys ages 18 to 24 and 19 percent of 25-to-34-year-olds live at home. Based on those Census Bureau stats, 64,000 young Philly men have returned to or never left the nest—and they all have mothers, ex-girlfriends, grandmothers, dads and other friends and relations worrying about their plight.

The women know what everybody’s saying: It’s the economy, stupid. Young men have been whacked particularly hard in this “mancession.” The statistics are scary: From 1960 to 2009, the number of working-age men with full-time jobs fell from 83 percent to 66 percent. In Philadelphia, half of all young adults are unemployed. But three in 10 young men ages 25 to 34 had stopped looking for work before the recession hit. So it’s not just the economy. There’s something more at play.

Sociologists cite five “markers” or “milestones” that have traditionally defined our notion of adulthood: finishing school, moving away from the parental home, becoming financially independent, getting married, and having a child. In 1960, 65 percent of men had ticked off all five by age 30; by 2000, only a third had. The experts have plenty of explanations for what’s come to be called “extended adolescence” or “emerging adulthood”—or what New York Times columnist David Brooks calls the “Odyssey Years.” They blame helicopter parents, the burden of student loan debt, much higher poverty rates among young people (nearly half of all Americans ages 25 to 34 live below the national level), and a dearth of vo-tech training and manufacturing jobs. Almost 60 percent of parents are now giving money to their grown kids—an average of $38,340 per child in the years between ages 18 and 34. Whatever happened to the son looking after his mom?

But those are the grousings of an older generation. We’ve always complained that those following after us are shiftless, goal-less, unmotivated. Remember walking 10 miles to school, uphill both ways? What’s different now is that half of one generation is complaining about the other half.

“The majority of the guys my age that I meet are immature,” says Jessica ­Claremon, a blunt, outspoken 24-year-old who grew up in Fort Washington and now lives in New York City, where she works for Nickelodeon. “I would never call them ‘men.’” Bruno Mars seems to have articulated an entire gender’s worldview in last summer’s hit “The Lazy Song”:

Today I don’t feel like doing anything
I just wanna lay in my bed
Don’t feel like picking up my phone
So leave a message at the tone
’Cause today I swear I’m not doing anything

Why has doing anything become so ­difficult for today’s young men?

 

 
 

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  • Ghost

    Can I read this thing?

  • Sondra

    The lack of knowledge of oneself is a really terrible thing. This is what is what is wrong with the black youth of today! There is a lot of fantastic talent out there but it is not being channeled in the right direction. When they learn their OWN HISTORY they will want to make marked improvements in their lives. That’s where they need to start…they can’t wait for others to teach them the truth about our GLORIOUS HISTORY.

  • http://premedicalstudent.com Kashif Vikaas

    This is kind of a depressing article

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  • Good Lookin ouT

    IN my opinion, it’s not that Ryan is playing bad, it’s that everybody else has raised their level of play, including Casey and Cheney. Ryan plays with the first unit D, the D Line swallows up everything before he gets close. And the Eagles Offensive Line is pretty impressive also. Ryans should do much better after playing in some preseason games. It’s just everybody’s level of play is maybe something we haven’t seen in a while. These kids are getting after it in Camp, from the undrafted Free Agents to the most seasoned veteran there.

  • JJeaglerooter

    Glad for the update on Mathews , I hope he picks up what he needs to help solidify the middle if he is ever called upon. Last year was a total dissapointment , whatever the excuses were.Failure is not an option this year , or ever .

  • devilokk

    Thanks for the Ryans update. Im sure it’s tough for a guy that has to be the D’s QB to come right in and look like a superstar…can’t wait to see him in preseason.

  • http://james.com James

    hello

  • http://TheUrbanNerd.com The Urban Nerd

    I think the statistics are different based on men in different cultures. If you take Asian and South Asian men who are programmed to achieve success at an earlier age – this article would not apply to them. Also, I believe your statements are more biased towards men from the ages of 18-23. Yes, you will find some men older than 23 that your statements can apply to, but the stats are skewed towards 23 and younger.

  • Kris W

    Look at all the anti male sexism and bigotry, let alone sheer chavunism us young guy’s have to go through. But that would require empathizing with us, something that my 27 odd years on this planet has shown me that the supposedly “fairer” sex is totally incapable of it.

    It is like an employer that only pays 20 cents an hour, with a 50% onsite mortality rate among workers, complaining about a shortage of qualified applicants when no one even wants to fill out an application in the first place.

    Ignore our tears, ignore our pain, ignore the sheer level of bigotry and discrimination we have to endure. Keep throwing stones at us, it will only help wake up even more young men to how evil and male hating Western Civilization is.

  • INTJ

    Ridiculous.

  • Will

    Congratulations America. You neglected or abused one generation of male children after another and now you get to reap the consequences of what you’ve sown.

  • Rock71

    I think the author was trying to find out what us making young men hurt and struggle.A lot of what was suggested was pure nonsense IMO, but young men have been marginalized and put down in our almost pathological male bashing culture.

  • Rock71

    Young men watched their mothers divorce their fathers and saw them pay their mothers for the privilege. In today’s anti-male environment it doesn’t pay to get married and become a father. Back in the day,we had a social contract. If a man worked hard to provide for the family, he was rewarded with their emotional support. Now,if he marries and divorces,he will have to pay alimony and child support. In other words, he has the responsibility of providing without the reward of their emotional support. If women were struggling we would be seriously looking at what was discouraging them. When men are reluctant to grow up we say “why won’t these guys grow up”! It isn’t s serious asking. It is more” what’s their problem”! Young men like me who grew up during the girl power years have been made to feel like “less thans” simply because of our gender.
    Nearly everyone,including the author of this article aren’t truly concerned about young men. They are more concerned with shaming them,then truly finding out why so many of them are hurting.Young men in their twenties commit suicide at six times the rate of women in their twenties,but the only concern is: damn it,men! Get over it so young women will have someone to marry!

  • Yan

    Long article. I waited in vain for it to get to the point.

    If every game in town is a “wimmin’s game” with the odds always fixed artificially in their favour, why would men want to play? There’s no incentive.

    Men that live with their parents and play video games are considered immature. Because maturity is defined by women in terms of their willingness to serve women.

    It’s not rocket science.

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  • ming on mongo

    Actually its the same problem with both genders, which is the increasing Narcissism in our culture (aka, its all about ME!). So its simply expressed differently for each gender. Women arent looking for a relationship now, anymore than young men are… and theyre all just looking for whatever serves their particular needs.
    How many single women do you see with a dog now, who will also tell you, “but hes my bestest friend!!”
    Of course it doesnt hurt that he cant complain either… ;-p

  • olu bakare

    wow

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  • phillip

    interesting article

  • Adam in chains

    What women don’t seem to understand is that they have changed the rules. Marriage used to provide us men with a faithfull mate, someone to bring up your kids, look after your house and be attentive to your needs. In exchange we committed and went out and worked to pay for it all. Now we get none of that. At best “commitment” means living with a permanently stressed out woman who puts you at the bottom of the pile, after career, kids, socialising and shopping, who outsources the care of your children and can’t boil an egg. At worst, encouraged by the courts and a sense of dissatisfaction and entitlement, she will disppear with another man and your children, and financially cripple you for life! and this brings on my mind some words of advice:

    THE 4 BIBLE PASSAGES:

    1 John 2:18-19 “Children, it is the last hour; and just as you heard that antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have arisen; from this we know that it is the last hour. They went out from us, but they were not really of us; for if they had been of us, they would have remained with us; but they went out, in order that it might be shown that they all are not of us.”

    1 John 2:22-23 “Who is the liar but the one who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, the one who denies THE FATHER AND THE SON(*). Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father; the one who confesses the Son has the Father also.”

    1 John 4:2-3 “By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God; and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God; and this is the spirit of the antichrist, of which you have heard that it is coming, and now it is already in the world.”

    2 John 1:7 “For many deceivers have gone out into the world, those who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is the deceiver and the antichrist.”

    From the Bible we can clearly see 3 things. First, the “antichrist” is defined as anyone who doesn’t believe Jesus is the divine son of God. Second, “antichrists” appear to actively teach against Christ. Third, there were many “antichrists” in the world when John wrote the book. This directly contradicts the teaching of modern speculationists who say that one antichrist will arise at some still future time.

    The Greek word from which our English word “antichrist” is translated is very simple to understand. It is a simple compound word and means “anti” + “Christ” = “antichrist”. We use the same compound word every day. We have people who are “anti-smoking” or “anti-gay” or “anti-hunting” or “anti-Semitic” or “anti-abortion”. There really is no big mystery as to what the word means. “Anti-Christ” is anyone who opposes Christ.

    Take this test to see if you are an “antichrist”: 1. Do you actively teach or simply believe that Jesus Christ never walked the earth, but was a mythological figure? 2. Do you actively teach or simply believe there was a man named Jesus Christ, but he did not actually raise from the dead? 3. Do you actively speak out against or simply believe Christianity is a false religion? 4. Jesus said, “He who is not with Me is against Me; and he who does not gather with Me scatters” Matthew 12:30. Are you an atheist or agnostic who is indifferent and non-religious? Then you too are an “antichrist”! The Bible term “antichrist” could be simply understood to be equivalent to being a “non-believer.”

    The “antichrist” then, has no horns or red glowing eyes. Neither is the “antichrist” some demon possessed super-intelligent human clone. Rather, the “antichrist” are generally.. the women!

    Basically, in the bible there’s a warning to keep women in the right conditions so they cannot harm themselves and men, or everythings will be doomed and the world as (they) we knows will end.

    Today, women gained power (the dragon myth is realted to power), wreak families, childs and destroy the male figure in our societies, If a major religion is praying to a female deity, would it not make sense that the opposite of Christ would be totally inverse? the women? i think so..

    Ancient warn us about women but seems that we don’t really care, even if they are doing exactly what they once told us..

    That’s why men must remember and be, once again, MEN! since the antichrists, the antimen, the women, will ruin men’s life.. check the world around you.. where only a bunch of smart men who use women rules over all.. they earn lot of money just to deceive men using women to drives men life’s crazy and waste their life.

  • Joan

    great story send to e-mail address

  • anon

    what happened to the other 251 comments?

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  • geoff

    Men arn’t the problem.

  • LeslieSole

    Dump them. All of them. Then, move on to better men. Ladies, they will only drag you down. You don’t have to compromise yourself for some cheeto-dusted otaku who thinks life should be like a harem anime: Where gaggles of pretty, submissive ladies all swoon after the main character who is a lazy, useless oaf.

    We need to stop coddling them and trying to gently coax them into being less crappy.

    This isn’t unfixable, even if it feels that way.

  • Alec Leamas

    Funny. Spend 40 plus years deriding Ward Cleaver, and then wonder why no one aspires to be Ward Cleaver.

    Boys become men when boys want to become men. Boys want to become men when there is some benefit to becoming a man.

    In most human affairs, authority runs with responsibility. A cultural insurgency has stripped men of any authority they formerly had in the domestic sphere, and left them only with the responsibilities. Is it any wonder that so few would want to take on only endless, open-ended responsibilities?

  • TA

    Just out of curiosity, why is the majority of the “good men” being studied in the national study mostly white and heterosexual men at large, mostly white universities?

  • grkBoy

    I think the biggest problems is we’re still adhering to standards of the 1950s and 1960s, despite the advancements of females.

    Women did want to go to school, have careers, have that corner office, have that executive position. Unfortunately, they also want to be Mrs. Someone and have some kids. They run into the issue at times of inner conflicts when they want to be the happy homemaking mom, but also the CEO, and even then have issue on a gender role reversal. They one moment want the husband to chip in, but the next moment they get angry because he’s not living up to her standard or her thinking in parental matters.

    How about she works and he stays at home? It sounds wonderful, but women then need to “get over it” when they feel embarrassed that their husbands aren’t making more money than them like daddy did with mommy. The “marry up” mentality has to go.

    I also think the examples shown in this article are not ideal. These guys graduated colleges and in my book are trying to make something happen. They just have the advantage of being able to have a fallback. They want those elusive careers that Corporate America makes it so hard to get, and they don’t want to wait tables or wash dishes to get into an office. I know where they came from because I was that…and my own boomeranging with goals led me now to being the successful hardworking sought-after professional.

    The REAL examples that need to be shown are the 28-40 year old men who SKIPPED or DROPPED OUT of college, live at home, work a crappy part-time job, and spend their time playing video games and whacking off to porn. The ones with no goals or ambitions, and they only “do something” when their parents give them enough flack. Even then, the little they do is merely show to “shut my parents up”.

    Those are the lost ones. That’s the real problem. The overgrown children who have no goals or ambitions, and they just want to float one day into the next, not even wondering what happens when mom and dad die and now no one’s there to take care of them.

    One last thing…those ‘good men’ talked of do exist. They’re are plenty of them…but too many women reject them because those men never fit into the fantasy mold of their ideal mate. Thus you see female blogs and message boards lament on “why are all the hot guys losers, the good guys ugly, and the good hot guys gay?”

    • van

      “….How about she works and he stays at home? It sounds wonderful, but women then need to “get over it” when they feel embarrassed that their husbands aren’t making more money than them like daddy did with mommy. The “marry up” mentality has to go…”

      The “marry up” mentality is in all probability genetic, and isn’t ever going away.

      Thus the dillemma of the modern career woman: She took the job of the guy she wanted to marry, and then rejected him because he didn’t have a job.

      I have no sympathy. Women did it to themselves.

  • marie

    I am a proud feminist, but even I was offended by this article. It was far too simplistic, and generalized about men WAY too much.

  • Harold

    Shame on Phillymag for printing such drivel; you would never dare produce an equally insulting piece about women.

    Sandy Higgston – you a sexist bigot and a disgrace to journalists everywhere.

  • Larry

    This article is a load of crap, women now a day r not looking for someone to build with, they just want a sucker to mistreat n take advantage of, the nice guys. So now we hip to it n are no longer interested to be some woman punching bag.

  • Becky

    Women have been subjugated for at least as long recorded history. Now it’s finally our turn. Men can’t take it, so I’m supposed to be feel bad for them? Tough, now you know how it feels.

  • David

    What I find the most incredulous about this article is how it starts off with the fact that over half of the 25-44 generation are living below the poverty line, only to extrapolate from that that somehow this generation is “uniquely” lazy and unambitious compared to any other generations prior. Nah, couldn’t have anything to do with the shitty economy disproportionately impacting this generation, could it? Those ‘lazy men’ must’ve made the economy tank. Must’ve done it because of ‘porn’ and ‘video games’, those old scapegoats, because it’s hardly as if porn or other diversions didn’t exist before the 21st century, right? What a ridiculous article.

  • Mike

    You didn’t talk about the role today’s young women play in this disturbing trend. Have you thought about the possibility that one of the reasons men act like this is that women are so free with their sexual favors these days that it hardly matters they behave?

  • Andre

    Men and women have behaviour patterns set by hundreds of thousands of years of development. I support the empowerment of women, the fact remains that the vast amount of women will try to find a mate they can “look up to”, which usually means men have to be more successful materially or in the best of cases as successful as women.

    Europe has done extensive research on disparities between modern women and men, the fertility levels in some countries are a result on very similar drivers described in this article. With ever more women gaining higher qualifications, succeeding in paid jobs or in their own business, academia and whatever; they simply run out of the equivalent number of men to mate

  • ralf

    Big cars, cigars, girls, drugs, everything is forbidden these days, so why bother?

  • Brian

    I simply love the snotty and unfair assertion that those who live with their parents must all be helpless moochers. Plenty of men (AND WOMEN) live with their parents, and this doesn’t mean they don’t work, can’t do anything for themselves, or spend all day smoking weed, watching pornography, trawling for sex, and playing shooter games while Mom makes a sandwich. Many do work — okay, maybe they don’t pull down Sandy Hingston money — and/or are helping a sick parent or grandparent. Everyone has a story, and there are a dozen reasons a person may still live with parents, a dozen reasons that don’t involve being lazy or irresponsible. Shame on anyone who would judge and pigeonhole without knowing a person’s story.

    I’m trying to imagine PHILADELPHIA MAGAZINE publishing an article full of young men policing the actions of women. It’s inspiring to see that the women criticizing men are obviously without flaw.

  • Andee

    Basically you want the 50′s back? You could just say that you want the 50′s back instead. I moved to Asia and people thought it was weird I moved out of my family to live on my own when I was 18. I thought it was perfectly normal til I moved here and found out its much different here. Regardless of gender they tend to live with families til about 30 (Both genders).

  • anonymous

    men are boycotting a corrupt system.

    My ex wife gets to enjoy alimony while living with another man because she is “entititled” to a living standard from a marriage she walked out on.

    You can only screw men over for so long until they quit participating in the game.

  • Will

    Do people really spend this much time and effort analyzing ‘gender roles’?

    Live and let live. Men and women alike.

  • Denis

    Women insisted that they didn’t need men and now slowly men are starting to realize that we never needed women and that marriage is just a big sham.

    BTW, Professional Engineer, non-video game player and making over 100k$.

    I will never get married in western society because women haven’t grown up yet.

  • dawn

    All these comments from pathetic boys seeking to justify the lifestyle this article discusses seem to miss a major point (which the article does too): there are more than two options in life. It is not a choice between sitting in mommy’s basement and “enslaving” yourself to a woman. If you don’t want to get married and have kids, by all means, don’t. We don’t need the DNA of a bunch of lazy slugs in the gene pool anyway.

    God forbid you should go out and do something worthwhile, just for the benefit of your self-respect and of society at large. So you can’t find a job. Then volunteer. Mentor a child. Join Habitat for Humanity and build houses for the destitute. Go on a relief trip to a country ravaged by natural disaster. Join Americorps. Travel and have adventures. Live your life.

    Self-indulgence will leave you empty, lonely, and unfulfilled. Your parents will not be around forever – who is going to take care of you when they are gone, and have used up your inheritance supporting your worthless carcass?

    When you are at the end of your life, do you really want to remember your adult years as the time you…

  • J

    Nice to know how us young, white men are being stereotyped. Unfortunately being stereotyped AND the majority means that we get to be a scapegoat.

    Can’t find a good man? It’s not me. All the men are boys.
    Can’t hire a good man? It’s not our hiring practices. These men aren’t grown up enough.

    I’ll admit the data is there, but this doesn’t mean anyone should write off this entire group anymore than someone should write off a minority.

    It should also be noted that anyone who says “With enough time you can do anything,” is usually successful. Therefore because they can do it, you can too, even though your situations might be completely different and they are not accounting for circumstantial and outside factors in their life that helped them get to where they are. That’s not being negative, it’s being realistic as our individual actions do not always have a direct effect on our success. That being said, no one should stop trying.

  • J

    Nice to know how us young, white men are being stereotyped. Unfortunately being stereotyped AND the majority means that we get to be a scapegoat.

    Can’t find a good man? It’s not me. All the men are boys.
    Can’t hire a good man? It’s not our hiring practices. These men aren’t grown up enough.

    I’ll admit the data is there, but this doesn’t mean anyone should write off this entire group anymore than someone should write off a minority.

    It should also be noted that anyone who says “With enough time you can do anything,” is usually successful. Therefore because they can do it, you can too, even though your situations might be completely different and they are not accounting for circumstantial and outside factors in their life that helped them get to where they are. That’s not being negative, it’s being realistic as our individual actions do not always have a direct effect on our success. That being said, no one should stop trying.

  • Rebecca

    It’s interesting to see how many comments point out that men don’t merely exist to serve women, or that men are not merely tools for women to use, etc, etc. Have these commentators forgotten that *women* were seen to exist only to serve men for most of human history, and, in fact, still are in many cultures? It doesn’t feel very nice, does it, guys? Women got tired of being seen as incubators, maids, cooks, pleasure machines, inanimate objects with no thoughts or voices. And they *did* something about it. Men, if you’re not happy with what you think women have somehow turned you into (seems like a bit of self-pity and blame displacement to me), then *do* something about it. Don’t just sit in your parents’ houses and play video games.

  • A

    Indicative of the sexist views in this article:

    “The median age of male marriage keeps getting pushed further back—more than three years (which is an eon to sociologists) since 1980, to 28.2. That leaves young men with a long, long stretch of sowing wild oats—while young women tap their feet impatiently.”

    “Median age of male marriage” is getting pushed back?? Right, because the women marrying those men aren’t getting married later and having more time to sow their oats as well. That passage manages to blame men to the point that it removes women from the marriage equation. Impressive. (Note there’s no way gay marriage would affect this statistic to the tenths digit.)

  • Ben

    Author said, ..”­definition of masculinity that seems pretty bulletproof: Real men stand up for the weak and disempowered.”

    Yes. This concept is entirely Christian and drips of f the page from the Old Testament prophets..

    This is why real men are pro-life. Real men don’t abandon the women they impregnate and abandon their own offspring as well. The father but esp. the mother ends up as the loser there..

  • Jillian

    So….men need to feel like they are over powering someone to be motivated? This is insane. I don’t ze why there can’t be a partnership and shared success instead of men blaming this on femenisism ad pouting like little boys. Fine, go ahead and give up on your dreams and replace them with a video game and porn, how about we add a nipple to your beer bottle so you dont spill any on your power ranger sheets?

    • http://www.phillymag.com John Galt

      Sorry, but the shaming language doesn’t work on us men anymore.
      You manhaters are going to have to do some self-introspection, for a change — because we men have wised up and see your manipulative shenanigans for what they are.
      And don’t trot out the ‘NAWALT’ argument; it doesn’t fly anymore, either.

      Until you females want to have a serious discussion about what is wrong with male/female relations today with relying on shaming and ‘ad hominem’ attacks, save your breath, go away and leave us be.

      Because we men have found that we can live fine and satisfying lives without you — and (ironically) we have you to thank for that.

      And remember this: we men DO NOT “OWE” YOU ANYTHING — not relationships, not marriage, not families, NOTHING.
      Our lives are our own, to spend as WE see fit.

      This is the way we have to handle living in the society that you manhaters have made for us. We are doing our best with what we have — and unlike you Modern Women, we are doing it without ‘Big Daddy Government’ propping us up, or ‘Big Bully Government’ looking out for us.

  • GET A

    Where do I begin? As a successful guy at 27, this article is right on the money. I went to college, graduated, got a good job and worked my way up like you’re supposed to!! Guys, WAKE UP! Nobody is just going to hand you anything, you have to work for it and thats what these guys are missing. You all are sad lil boys and disgust me. DO SOMETHING WITH YOUR LIFE!

  • ball

    What an asswipish article, from yet another narcissistic woman who hasn’t quite got the equation that in this era of the debunked ‘masturbation-makes-you-go-blind’ myth, videogames are an ecological approach to pleasure, experiencing the speed of Multi Theft Auto instead of the relativism of the immature women from Sex and the City who haven’t read Freud and Nietszche.

  • Not A Whiner

    “The success of my generation will be based on creating new narratives. In many ways previous post war generations had it easy.”

    Baby Boomers and Gen X’ers started the creating new narratives. Lets keep it real.

  • Lola

    “You ladies have “Sex and the City” and “Desperate Housewives”. I have my pr0n and escorts. See Ya.”

    Wow. Both choices are sad.

  • Lola

    What a load of bs. Your gen is far more selfish, than your parents gen.

  • Kevin

    So according to this woman it’s not OK to stay with my parents (whom I love and appreciate and help around the house), play video games (which I love and have no problem admitting), look at porn (which you know, 99% of straight men do regularly), or avoid jobs that we hate (which would only be what we do for the majority of our lives)? Sounds like fun.

    Yeah, I think I’ll take being a failure of a man in this woman’s eyes if it means I never have to put up with her.

  • Robert

    There are some undercurrents that were not touched upon in the article. Others have suggested to read “The Misandry Bubble.” Please Google it. Also, I discovered a WOMAN on Youtube, “GirlWritesWhat,” who has posted several extremely logical and cogent arugments explaining why men are the way they are today.

  • Michelle

    This article was certainly worth a read, and it definitely made my day. I’m still in college, and this gives a very bleak view of what I can expect once I enter the working world as an ambitious woman. I anticipate loneliness and disappointment, so I don’t seek out a relationship. But this is because I haven’t learned enough. If men and women honestly took the time to learn more about each other, the world might be better off. It would discard all the blasphemous stereotypes of today’s society.

  • van

    “…That leaves young men with a long, long stretch of sowing wild oats—while young women tap their feet impatiently…”

    Other way around. In a non-monogamous culture, almost all female attention goes to a select few “alpha” men, while most men are rejected.

    I was one of the good guys, I got an education and worked hard, and would gladly have married young — but I spent all my 20s and most of my 30′s “tapping my feet impatiently” while the women of my generation played around with badboys. If I had to do it all over again, in today’s even worse cultural climate, I just might not bother.

    Thus, the sexual revolution has created a perverse incentive structure. Men are divided into 2 groups -

    (a) “alphas”, who can get sex without work — heck, they can live off their girlfriends, and
    (b) “betas”, the vast rejected majority, who canNOT get sex no matter how hard they work!

    In either case, what’s the incentive to work?

    The old rule, “get a job, get married, then and only then can you have sex” gave men healthy incentives.

  • Kristin

    It’s interesting so many men read this article as an anti-male piece. As a mother of three young men, it scares me to read about the lack of drive. Young men need to go to battle for something. Fine, you don’t want to do it for women? Do it for yourself. Not working and being satisfied with waiting for the perfect job is disturbing. Get a JOB! It’s easy to blame the economy, but not working towards something gives us people without a reason for living. That ain’t good!

  • Phil

    This phenomenon parallels the “trophy generation”, which also stems from the baby boomers, who, while rebellious themselves, like a nice compliant generation that (i) doesn’t challenge them, and (ii) reflects well on them. Females fit the bill better than males.

  • Mark Neil

    Why is it, when men were doing better in school and career, it was levied on discrimination (and still is, for STEM fields, the only place women don’t dominate), yet despite 40 years of tailoring the education system and workplace environment to suit women, without a second thought to men, the only excuse for men’s failures is “they are inept children refusing to grow up”. Ever consider, maybe, just maybe, tossing men to the side for 40 years, denigrating them constantly (as seen in the media with the idiotic, inept, manchild rolemodels seen in virtually every commercial or sitcom) might have had a negative effect on men? That maybe, just maybe, this is the inevitable outcome of striving for equality by looking solely at one gender? Isn’t it a little sexist to lay the blame square on some male deficiency without even exploring the possibility of alternative causes (which are plentiful on the net. Google “globe and mail failing boys” and there is a 6 part story on the subject, and none of it lays the blame on masculinity like you do here.)

  • Kris

    Why does our society hate males?

    The only way things got as bad as they are, and the reason for the sheer ignorance of the writer: Males as a class are systematically depressed due to the constant hatred and bigotry we are forced to endure.

    Articles like these cause me to re-commit my abstinence to myself.

    The more the mainstream media covers up the war on males, and sides with the feminist hate movement(feminism is not, nor has ever been an egalitarian movement) will only cause the further alienation of America’s male population.

    You can lie and distort the issue, but you can’t address the difficulties males are having in education without talking about the fake girl crisis the AAUW conjured up using fabricated reports. An act that caused Congress to spend billions(in today’s money) to reformat the educational system to be girl friendly.

    Combine that with the zeal of teachers and guidance counselors to “help the girls”, and throw boy’s under the bus.

    We will never forgive and we will never forget.

  • crazy whippersnappers

    I’m a happily-married, gainfully-employed 29-year-old male and find this article full of crap.

    Both young men and young women are taking longer to get “launched” after college, because we’ve been in a recession and an undergraduate degree isn’t worth nearly what it once was.

    Although males certainly consume more, both guys and girls today play more video games and consume more pr0n than previous generations.

    And as for those jobs for 18-25 year old guys (manufacturing, unskilled labor, etc), those were all streamlined, right-sized, downsized, and outsourced by successful Boomers and Gen-Xers. You can’t make a semi-living wage with two years of high school pumping gas anymore.

    Is Gen Y lazy, entitled, and sometimes foolish? Of course–we’re young. Every generation is when they’re young, then wises up later. This article reads more like “get off my lawn” than the wisdom of experience.

  • Bob

    To all those commentators lamenting that women “want too much” from them, and that they are too good to “owe anyone their labor,” that they should have the right to choose their path to happiness, and that no one can force them to commit:

    Stop for a second and realize that there is no one asking for anything from you. No one wants to marry you. No one has yet given any commitment to you. No one is begging you for your DNA. No one is impressed.

    Part of the point of this article is that you have to deserve these things. Part of the problem is that some men – having done very little with their lives – somehow still feel entitled to being on the receiving end. If all you got from this article is that women want you, you are both an unskilled reader and far too self-absorbed.

    And it’s not that we are – God forbid – asking anything of you. It’s just that we pity you a little bit for missing out.

  • Jason

    I am looking for my Sugar Mama. When she picks me for her BF, I’ll be on Easy Street.

  • Jason

    I am looking for my Sugar Mama. When she picks me for her BF, I’ll be on Easy Street.

  • Realiti

    Social contracts. The contract of chivalry is very different from that of equality. The women these days would like to have the perks of both and responsibilities of neither. Understandable, but nobody’s standing up to say “no bloody way.” I am supposed to treat women as my equal… until a ship is sinking, then it’s women first. I’m supposed to make the exact same wages as a woman on a job, but I’m supposed to pay for her meal on a date. It’s “a woman’s body” when she considers an abortion – my views don’t matter. When she decides not to abort and demand child support from me, it’s my duty – even if I told her to have an abortion.
    Frankly, that’s bullshit. Unequal status under chivalry was a reflection of unequal responsibility. Equal status, equal responsibility. Ladies, woman-up. You’re equal. It’s the 21st century. You’re well past the fainting couch.

  • Susan

    Feminism and it’s successful destruction of gender roles is primarily responsible for the way men act. Why should he pay for dinner when you make just as much as he does, why get married when there’s a 50% chance of you running away with the kids and half is paycheck?

  • bam

    1. divorce courts are terribly biased against men
    2. men are perpetual punching bags for feminazis, government and media
    3. government enforced “equality”
    4. false rape claims by the millions
    5. “hate” speech laws destroying FREE speech
    6. welfare and “reverse discrimination”
    7. the culture of SlutWalk
    8. the “opressor-opressed” dementia, where men are always to blame

    you know what, Multicultural Marxists? we’re not playing this game anymore.
    If you want your utopian egalitarian nightmare to come to reality…….WORK AND PAY FOR IT YOURSELVES.

  • Carrie

    To all the men out there instead of whining and bitching about all of the oppurtunities that others have how about you “man up” and I don’t know how about finish school and try to do well insted of blaming everyone else. Think about how hard it was for women for to get into a good school and in work force, it’s not our fault we’re more dedicated and are striving. You can too just shut up and do it no one is stopping you. And we still want you for some reason.

  • Carrie

    are successful in the workfeild and in school, dose’nt mean men can’t be. I don’t see why one gender has to be belittled for the other to be successful. So is the answer for me to drop out of college and forego my plans to be a labrotory technologist and stay in the kitchen so men can feel better about themselves? What happens when mommy and daddy die and you have no family of your own to fall back on? Face it your parents did their job raising you and want you out of their house but are too nice to say it. An xbox and porn might seem like all you need and sure you can bang a hooker, but do any of those things tell you they love you at night? Like a good woman and a chld would? If woman haveing rights makes guys like this that’s pretty pathetic. Grow up take some responsiblity. I enjoy the freedoms this country has allowed me in eduacation and carrears, but I also would take the time to love a family, cook, clean, make cookies, and all that. When theses guys are in their 60′s will this life style…

  • Carrie

    I feel like just because women are successful in the workfeild and in school, dose’nt mean men can’t be. I don’t see why one gender has to be belittled for the other to be successful. So is the answer for me to drop out of college and forego my plans to be a labrotory technologist and stay in the kitchen so men can feel better about themselves? What happens when mommy and daddy die and you have no family of your own to fall back on? Face it your parents did their job raising you and want you out of their house but are too nice to say it. An xbox and porn might seem like all you need and sure you can bang a hooker, but do any of those things tell you they love you at night? Like a good woman and a chld would? If woman haveing rights makes guys like this that’s pretty pathetic. Grow up take some responsiblity.

  • Carrie

    I feel like just because women are successful in the workfeild and in school, dose’nt mean men can’t be. I don’t see why one gender has to be belittled for the other to be successful. So is the answer for me to drop out of college and forego my plans to be a labrotory technologist and stay in the kitchen so men can feel better about themselves? What happens when mommy and daddy die and you have no family of your own to fall back on? Face it your parents did their job raising you and want you out of their house but are too nice to say it. An xbox and porn might seem like all you need and sure you can bang a hooker, but do any of those things tell you they love you at night? Like a good woman and a chld would? If woman haveing rights makes guys like this that’s pretty pathetic. Grow up take some responsiblity.

  • Carrie

    I feel like just because women are successful in the workfeild and in school, dose’nt mean men can’t be. I don’t see why one gender has to be belittled for the other to be successful. So is the answer for me to drop out of college and forego my plans to be a labrotory technologist and stay in the kitchen so men can feel better about themselves? What happens when mommy and daddy die and you have no family of your own to fall back on? Face it your parents did their job raising you and want you out of their house but are too nice to say it. An xbox and porn might seem like all you need and sure you can bang a hooker, but do any of those things tell you they love you at night? Like a good woman and a chld would? If woman haveing rights makes guys like this that’s pretty pathetic. Grow up take some responsiblity.

  • Carrie

    I feel like just because women are successful in the workfeild and in school, dose’nt mean men can’t be. I don’t see why one gender has to be belittled for the other to be successful. So is the answer for me to drop out of college and forego my plans to be a labrotory technologist and stay in the kitchen so men can feel better about themselves? What happens when mommy and daddy die and you have no family of your own to fall back on? Face it your parents did their job raising you and want you out of their house but are too nice to say it. An xbox and porn might seem like all you need and sure you can bang a hooker, but do any of those things tell you they love you at night? Like a good woman and a chld would? If woman haveing rights makes guys like this that’s pretty pathetic. Grow up take some responsiblity.

  • Carrie

    I feel like just because women are successful in the workfeild and in school, dose’nt mean men can’t be. I don’t see why one gender has to be belittled for the other to be successful. So is the answer for me to drop out of college and forego my plans to be a labrotory technologist and stay in the kitchen so men can feel better about themselves? What happens when mommy and daddy die and you have no family of your own to fall back on? Face it your parents did their job raising you and want you out of their house but are too nice to say it. An xbox and porn might seem like all you need and sure you can bang a hooker, but do any of those things tell you they love you at night? Like a good woman and a chld would? If woman haveing rights makes guys like this that’s pretty pathetic. Grow up take some responsiblity.

  • Carrie

    I feel like just because women are successful in the workfeild and in school, dose’nt mean men can’t be. I don’t see why one gender has to be belittled for the other to be successful. So is the answer for me to drop out of college and forego my plans to be a labrotory technologist and stay in the kitchen so men can feel better about themselves? What happens when mommy and daddy die and you have no family of your own to fall back on? Face it your parents did their job raising you and want you out of their house but are too nice to say it. An xbox and porn might seem like all you need and sure you can bang a hooker, but do any of those things tell you they love you at night? Like a good woman and a chld would? If woman haveing rights makes guys like this that’s pretty pathetic. Grow up take some responsiblity.

  • Carrie

    I feel like just because women are successful in the workfeild and in school, dose’nt mean men can’t be. I don’t see why one gender has to be belittled for the other to be successful. So is the answer for me to drop out of college and forego my plans to be a labrotory technologist and stay in the kitchen so men can feel better about themselves? What happens when mommy and daddy die and you have no family of your own to fall back on? Face it your parents did their job raising you and want you out of their house but are too nice to say it. An xbox and porn might seem like all you need and sure you can bang a hooker, but do any of those things tell you they love you at night? Like a good woman and a chld would? If woman haveing rights makes guys like this that’s pretty pathetic. Grow up take some responsiblity.

  • Carrie

    I feel like just because women are successful in the workfeild and in school, dose’nt mean men can’t be. I don’t see why one gender has to be belittled for the other to be successful. So is the answer for me to drop out of college and forego my plans to be a labrotory technologist and stay in the kitchen so men can feel better about themselves? What happens when mommy and daddy die and you have no family of your own to fall back on? Face it your parents did their job raising you and want you out of their house but are too nice to say it. An xbox and porn might seem like all you need and sure you can bang a hooker, but do any of those things tell you they love you at night? Like a good woman and a chld would? If woman haveing rights makes guys like this that’s pretty pathetic. Grow up take some responsiblity. I enjoy the freedoms this country has allowed me in eduacation and carrears, but I also would take the time to love a family, cook, clean, make cookies, and all that. When theses guys are in…

  • Carrie

    I feel like just because women are successful in the workfeild and in school, dose’nt mean men can’t be. I don’t see why one gender has to be belittled for the other to be successful. So is the answer for me to drop out of college and forego my plans to be a labrotory technologist and stay in the kitchen so men can feel better about themselves? What happens when mommy and daddy die and you have no family of your own to fall back on? Face it your parents did their job raising you and want you out of their house but are too nice to say it. An xbox and porn might seem like all you need and sure you can bang a hooker, but do any of those things tell you they love you at night? Like a good woman and a chld would? If woman haveing rights makes guys like this that’s pretty pathetic. Grow up take some responsiblity. I enjoy the freedoms this country has allowed me in eduacation and carrears, but I also would take the time to love a family, cook, clean, make cookies, and all that. When theses guys are in…

  • Carrie

    I feel like just because women are successful in the workfeild and in school, dose’nt mean men can’t be. I don’t see why one gender has to be belittled for the other to be successful. So is the answer for me to drop out of college and forego my plans to be a labrotory technologist and stay in the kitchen so men can feel better about themselves? What happens when mommy and daddy die and you have no family of your own to fall back on? Face it your parents did their job raising you and want you out of their house but are too nice to say it. An xbox and porn might seem like all you need and sure you can bang a hooker, but do any of those things tell you they love you at night? Like a good woman and a chld would? If woman haveing rights makes guys like this that’s pretty pathetic. Grow up take some responsiblity. I enjoy the freedoms this country has allowed me in eduacation and carrears, but I also would take the time to love a family, cook, clean, make cookies, and all that. When theses guys are in…

  • Carrie

    I feel like just because women are successful in the workfeild and in school, dose’nt mean men can’t be. I don’t see why one gender has to be belittled for the other to be successful. So is the answer for me to drop out of college and forego my plans to be a labrotory technologist and stay in the kitchen so men can feel better about themselves? What happens when mommy and daddy die and you have no family of your own to fall back on? Face it your parents did their job raising you and want you out of their house but are too nice to say it. An xbox and porn might seem like all you need and sure you can bang a hooker, but do any of those things tell you they love you at night? Like a good woman and a chld would? If woman haveing rights makes guys like this that’s pretty pathetic. Grow up take some responsiblity. I enjoy the freedoms this country has allowed me in eduacation and carrears, but I also would take the time to love a family, cook, clean, make cookies, and all that. When theses guys are in…

  • Carrie

    I feel like just because women are successful in the workfeild and in school, dose’nt mean men can’t be. I don’t see why one gender has to be belittled for the other to be successful. So is the answer for me to drop out of college and forego my plans to be a labrotory technologist and stay in the kitchen so men can feel better about themselves? What happens when mommy and daddy die and you have no family of your own to fall back on? Face it your parents did their job raising you and want you out of their house but are too nice to say it. An xbox and porn might seem like all you need and sure you can bang a hooker, but do any of those things tell you they love you at night? Like a good woman and a chld would? If woman haveing rights makes guys like this that’s pretty pathetic. Grow up take some responsiblity. I enjoy the freedoms this country has allowed me in eduacation and carrears, but I also would take the time to love a family, cook, clean, make cookies, and all that. When theses guys are in…

  • Carrie

    I feel like just because women are successful in the workfeild and in school, dose’nt mean men can’t be. I don’t see why one gender has to be belittled for the other to be successful. So is the answer for me to drop out of college and forego my plans to be a labrotory technologist and stay in the kitchen so men can feel better about themselves? What happens when mommy and daddy die and you have no family of your own to fall back on? Face it your parents did their job raising you and want you out of their house but are too nice to say it. An xbox and porn might seem like all you need and sure you can bang a hooker, but do any of those things tell you they love you at night? Like a good woman and a chld would? If woman haveing rights makes guys like this that’s pretty pathetic. Grow up take some responsiblity. I enjoy the freedoms this country has allowed me in eduacation and carrears, but I also would take the time to love a family, cook, clean, make cookies, and all that. When theses guys are in…

  • Carrie

    I feel like just because women are successful in the workfeild and in school, dose’nt mean men can’t be. I don’t see why one gender has to be belittled for the other to be successful. So is the answer for me to drop out of college and forego my plans to be a labrotory technologist and stay in the kitchen so men can feel better about themselves? What happens when mommy and daddy die and you have no family of your own to fall back on? Face it your parents did their job raising you and want you out of their house but are too nice to say it. An xbox and porn might seem like all you need and sure you can bang a hooker, but do any of those things tell you they love you at night? Like a good woman and a chld would? If woman haveing rights makes guys like this that’s pretty pathetic. Grow up take some responsiblity. I enjoy the freedoms this country has allowed me in eduacation and carrears, but I also would take the time to love a family, cook, clean, make cookies, and all that. When theses guys are in…

  • Josh

    There’s no need to repeat the clear message repeated throughout these comments with respect to the subject matter of the article. I’ll only say that im shocked at how illogically written this article was. Like the commenter above me pointed out, the author appears not to have learned that correlation does not equal causation, since she continually jumped to conclusions that were not justified in the article. In several places the non sequitars that comprise her “reasoning” are laughable. I googled the authors name wondering what her background in writing was, and was not surprised to learn it’s in romance novels, a genre which does not value or practice rigorously rational thinking.

  • George

    This is the effect of the new socialism thrust upon American society. The Europeans went through it in the 60′s and 70′s. The Italians call them Mammoni. Take away all the support structures, take away medical insurance until they are 28 and they will grow up PDQ. There is always the military..

  • Jackie

    As a woman who grew up as a child in the ’60s. The idea of women working out of the home, getting an education, and raising children is as old as time & memorial. People just didn’t talk about it.
    As for the young woman who made mentioned about “trudburger”. How can she expect to be treated seriously in life. The women today want everyone to meet up to there standards. There is a thing called mutual respect for another human being. Which these women are not taught. Until then it will continue to be a waiting game. Very sad.

  • Karl

    Shaun absolutely did NOT ask for a reprint of this, or if he did, it was to demonstrate terrible, awkward, misdirected, and over-punctuated rag writing.

    I’m a 30 year old male with a good job, my own home, and (despite not being a professional writer) a thousand times the writing ability Ms. Sandy Hingston evinces in any page she’s ever disgraced with her name.

    Then again, there are no real writers left at any of the major Philadelphia print publications. So Sandy, you’re in good, terrible company.

  • matt

    29 Male Married w/ 3 Kids
    Wife is a teacher with a Masters
    I have a bach and am a retail manager (dream job I know right!! jk)

    People need to mind their own business, worry about them and their own, and chill out of everyone else.

    I pay my bills, have excellent credit, love my family, and have a 2:1 Kill: Death ratio in Modern Warfare…

    I found this article on a World of Warcraft forum which I have 6 level 85′s and have high end raided…

    Prejudice and ignorance go hand in hand over and over again. So easy to point fingers.

    I won’t be a millionaire, but I will raise my kids to be smart, hard working, and independent… so that “free thinkers” and “journalists” silly words will remain just that

  • Patrick

    Why are any of us to believe this bias bullshit? At least get your so called rights in order before you attempt to call out the other sex with this kind of dribble.

  • Matthew

    Spend 16 years being told how great women are, how they can do anything they want to do; spend 16 years being told how men are aggressive pigs, responsible for all the worlds’ ills. We’re horrible

  • Corey

    This is what we get for taking competition out of society. Young boys and men thrive on competition, and we used to have outlets for it. Remember recess and gym sports like boxing, rope climbing, and track? There were once pure, visible ways to prove our worth.

    These days, we don’t keep score, “everybody wins”. No, false, wrong, men need competition to grow. We are a bunch of pussies today because we’ve taken everything manly out of growing up. Dear god, we wouldn’t want to harm the children’s “sensibilities” now, would we?

  • Jim

    The social contract has changed.

    We’ve encouraged divorce, given the children by default to the mother, and even tried to institute lifetime alimony.

    We’ve expanded the definition of rape to include what many people believe to be consensual sex, and then instituted policies in colleges whereby men are presumed guilty.

    We force men to pay child support for another man’s child.

    Education has been focused on girls, letting many boys slip through the cracks.

    We’ve trained the world that, whatever happens in a relationship, it’s always the man’s fault.

    All of these things, and many more, have been done to increase the security for women, which is a laudable goal.

    Can you really tell me that marriage is a good thing for men? It is not, and men know it.

    Today’s men have seen their parents and/or the parents of their friends get divorced. They know how common this is, and how the family court system is likely to treat them.

    Men are not stupid. They know that the trend in society is to try to marginalize them as much as possible. They know that they are considered useless and disposable, and that their potential contributions to a relationship and to society will never be…

  • Stalin

    Why would men want to marry a modern woman?

    To cook their own dinners, finance her lifestyle while she sleeps with another man, go through a divorce and then pay alimony?

    Do yourselves a favour broes, get yourself a Thai transsexual.

    They’re grateful for whatever they can get, they don’t complain and they don’t get pregnant.

  • JD

    This article felt as insightful, well thought, & pointed out the true problem as well as my Grandmother does when she complains that “the blacks” are taking over the neighborhood.

  • Mike

    This honestly felt like an Onion article. A neat little point, & then all these absurd “facts” & “quotes” to back it up.

  • Marc

    This article scratches the surface of something that exists, but I felt like the writer was someone who watched “Boyz n’ the Hood” & thought they completely understood the plight of the black man.
    Honestly, when I read the quotes on facebook meaning men don’t now need women to set up social engagements, or men don’t have their own places because they don’t need their own closets to stash a physical porn collection, I thought I was being “punk’d”.

  • Daniel

    Why would we men want self-absorbed, greedy, shrill resource-drags?

    We got nothing from the relationship, while you take, take, take.

  • haha

    I think many women feel now a days a bf should be a best friend and it is all about the inside blah blah blah.. Yeah I have more fun doing guy things with guys. Also because of this my high salary doesnt mean anything to a woman. It seems women bring the death of careers and want to be pampered… pampering is your fathers job. So in short… yeah sex is a huge deal and since I dont like to clean or cook that’s at the top of the list too. I could care less if a woman has a nice career, I make enough money to have a stay at home wife at the age of 26. So in short, no dont really care to marry women, especially since sex is accepted outside of marriage. I would for a family, but mid 20s females are invested in partying and careers. So in short women wanted careers and rights… well that’s cool, just dont act surprised when we just dont care to sweep someone off their feet because they have a nice education or career.

  • Daniel

    Yeah, and with what jobs? I’ve worked at the same job for the past four years, earning only $7.50 per hour.

    This article betrays a serious sense of entitlement of its writer: she wants men to

  • Justin

    Just want to let you know that I am an unemployed, 28-years old, American male; who plays videogames at least five times a week and on average upward of two hours a day; and who regularly browses the Internet for videos of women in various states of undress and sexual conduct, with the purpose of becoming sexually aroused.

    I am also the kind of guy who has never cheated on a woman, quit a job, or shirked responsibility. I do not smoke, only consume alcohol on two or three special occasions a year, and have not partaken of drugs of any kind in the better part of a decade.

    I am a homemaker, a father of two, who prepares three meals a day for three or four people. I vacuum the carpet. I do laundry and dishes. I make love to my wife rather passionately whenever opportunity arises, and I am a generous lover.

    My other hobbies include following professional baseball, renting indie films, and studying the roots and traditions of culinary arts. I am an aspiring novelist, and I can carry a tune.

    I have always been able to make time for my family. I have not…

  • registration

    I’m 26, served in the Iraq war, came back, got an engineering degree and then a job. I will never marry.

    Marriage is no longer necessary to perpetuate the species, and ideas and technologies breed faster than genes and upbringing.

    The only reasons are personal, and that contract is just bad business. I can get trust and sex without the catastrophic risk of betrayal and penury and legal battles marriage enforces.

    It’s an prefabbed cultural scam for women to exploit, and culture is the only reason it survives under the lens of modern communications.

  • Oogey

    Youtube: “Feminism and the Disposable Male” by girlwriteswhat.

  • Sirena

    I am a woman, and I totally side with the men on this one. The expectations that woman have of men do not suffice anymore in a world where we have fought and strived for equality. We got exactly what we wanted and now we’re still expecting men to go the extra mile. Its a give and take. Honestly, I am offended that we aren’t citing the fact that some woman (maybe alot) actually don’t want families and would rather have sex and play video games too??!! This is coming from a mother (me) of a 3 year old too!! If saying, “until death do us part” also means you look forward to not sleeping in the same bed some day, then maybe marriage and the societal norms and rules that coincide with marriage don’t apply anymore. My advice: do what makes you happy as long as you aren’t harming others. If in fact you meet someone along the way that you would like to spend the rest of your life with then it should be the icing on the cake. Woman (and men) should be happy with themselves and their life first and foremost, and then…

  • Derk

    >Baww why won’t a man come and make all the money for me while I spend all the time with my friends and my kids?

    You asked for equality, deal with it

  • Orphan

    The short answer to a long question is – the reward for being the model male is not commensurate with the reward. It never was commensurate with the reward, in point of fact, but until recently an enforced lack of alternatives kept things running (men were systematically excluded from charity previous to the modern era, for example).

    Your article is effectively “Why women should care.” You fail to address at all why men should.

  • jorge

    Like many of life’s changes, social change, particularly changes we view as negative ones, are pretty hard for us to bear. Although I applaud the wish to inform the public of a troublesome trend, and I also condone an honest look at the kinds of factors associated with or causal to that trend, I don’t think this kind of non-scientific speculation serves anyone. Look at the reaction it’s caused — dividing folks largely along gender lines because of the sweeping and hurtful non-substantiated generalizations in the piece. This is truly truly truly bad journalism.

  • Tom

    While it seems true enough to the casual observer that men are overstaying their visit in adolescence, this article has way too many generalizations.

  • Jamie

    Though generalist and sweeping at times, I appreciate what this article brings to light around the problems of masculinity and performing “man” as the universal, locus of (phallic) power. I do agree that living with your parents for too long stunts and stultifies psychological growth, but I also identify with the necessity to do so–having went so long myself, without a job (now in a temporary one) in the face of crippling student loan debt. However, I wonder does this article and its audience care what men are doing outside the straight, white, heterosexual, (upper) middle class are doing? This sounds like mainline boy (and girl) problems. Also, why do we have to measure our lives by the 1950′s? Because it was the pinnacle of white, middle class, heteronormative life? Also, feminism does not denigrate masculinity or men or maleness but the ideology of domination that permeates Western culture on various levels—sex, race, and class, that men typically benefit from.

    #we-really-are-becoming-the-men-we-want-to-marry.

  • Bill

    I would rather play video games and watch porn all night than having an angry and entitled princess rule my life.

    And no… sex isn’t worth it.

  • Generic

    I’m a gen Xer and a little past this article’s target demographic, but let me describe a recent experience: I work in project management. Women are taking over that career field because of the supposed myth of women being better communicators. My last 3 bosses? Women. My coworkers? More than half are women. My most recent boss, rather than confronting an issue she had with me, reported me to her homosexual boss because “she doesn’t like confrontation.” So I was fired before I even had a chance to address any issues. Why? Because I dared to speak my mind. Women won’t do it. In that workplace they were catty and backstabbing and manipulative. My homosexual boss’ boss? A woman. The CIO? A woman. You can’t tell me that there are no men qualified. Companies are selecting for women because they are cheaper labor. I guess its fitting that only a gay man can be a manager there. Yes, I’m a white male. Look what the social programs and minority affirmative action programs have wrought.

  • Herp

    I fall in that demographic. I’m a liberal English teacher who did gender and sexuality studies at university, and enjoyed them. I have loads of different short term girlfriends, dress like a full-blown hipster, and generally treat my body like shit. I have no plans for a family or a relationship longer than it takes for me to find someone more attractive. I treat women like shit and have been told this to my face, but I couldn’t care less. I make decent money, live on my own and get all my entertainment for free- what more do I want?

  • Ben

    I’m about to graduate law school. I do not live at home. I DO play video games. I am not married, despite believing that it is the only context in which sex can occur morally. So I’m celibate. By the Grace of God I’ve kicked the porn habit, too. I do not desire to be married to any of the career driven ladies I’ve met. When a woman tells me she wants to focus on her career and have at most one child, I stop thinking of her as a prospect for marriage. I grew up in a big family and want a big family. A woman who doesn’t share that dream is not worth the time and money to pursue romantically.

  • marianne

    I get it: you boys are mad that no one is giving you participation trophies anymore. Now u are all grown up and don’t want to work for anything. Newsflash: Your parents PAID for those trophies. Now

  • Cody

    According to this article it is my fault at the age of 20 I moved out with my girlfriend, got a job, and then ended up with over 5k in debt because she was forging checks in my name all while I took care of her and her kid. My fault! I’m still clawing out of debt because my town has a handful of jobs that pay more than 10 bucks an hour, even with college.

  • Brad Effin

    Interesting viewpoints… Seems somewhat sensationalized, though.

    Either way, this is likely just the fallout of a major social shift. Guys can’t move along the same railways as they have historically in the “oppressive patriarchy” of yesteryears… Traditional “male standards” are being re-evaluated and redefined by both genders, and there’s a generation or so that’ll be caught in that upheaval.
    Suck it up, ladies. These are the growing pains of social progress.marriage

  • Chi

    The men are talking about women, all women, the women they’d like to date and marry, and are they ever pissed. Here’s what they’re saying:

    “All they want is relationships. They don’t care about sex.”

    “They’re so lazy.”

    “All they do is complain.”

    “They aren’t women. They’re girls.”

  • Nolan

    Another article that is laced with half-truths, lies, and exaggerations. Remove all the embellishment and flowery, pseudo-intellectual trash, and your left with an article that is trying to drive home that females > males. A shame really, this is all going to end badly for you penis envying plebs. Men are wising up to you promiscuous, hypocritical, serpents posing as academics. Keep casting stones at the Goliath, he shall wake soon.

  • Anon

    All I get from this is “Why don’t the men I know have jobs so they can take care of me so I don’t have to do anything?”

  • Anon

    All I get from this is “Why don’t the men I know have jobs so they can take care of me so I don’t have to do anything?”

  • Iris

    I’ve had a vasectomy preformed, guess I’m just a waste of space to women everywhere because I’ve taken control of my reproductive rights. And now they’re all turning lesbian!

    This article makes me sick to my stomach.

  • Michael

    This article is so biased it’s actually a bit funny. I guess men have realized the vanity of material success, since apparently the only indicators of doing well in life are now having a nice woman, having kids with your woman, leaving your kids at daycare since both of you work now, and making sure you make 100k+ at some wage-slave cubicle farm. None of that is appealing. Myself? I’m becoming a pilot, and it’ll be about 10 years before I earn real money, but I’m doing what I want, and more importantly it’s awesome.

  • Issaih

    It’s called a recession. We are not going to push our debt into the burden of raising a family

    Grow up.

  • Drew

    I’d just like to throw out there that I am a twenty-three year old male, who has a real job with benefits, I’m in great shape, I have a long relationship, I’m a college graduate, I don’t live at

  • Jack

    You got equality. Deal with it you entitled sluts. It’s gotten to the point where men would rather sit and home and have fun by themselves than put up with your senseless, vain bullshit.

    That’s the system you’ve made for yourself, so I sure hope you’re ready to deal with it.

  • No

    I’m not gonna change the way I live my life just because a group of sluts who take it in the ass daily bitch and moan about it. Infact, it might actually encourage me to continue doing it just to rustle their jimmies.

  • Richard

    Where do I, and the fucks I give, come in?

    I’m not going to quit vidya or animu just because some bitches whine at me.

    THEY need to change their ways.

  • Aiguille

    Women got what they wanted. I fail to see the issue here.

    They are in power more than ever before; young men are, on the whole, kinder, more charitable, and more sensitive to feminist issues; government support for women is at an all-time high…

    I could go on, but the point is that they got what they wanted. Why are they blaming their continuing unhappiness on young men, when the most we ask for nowadays is just to be left alone?

    Most of us young males out there realize that relationships, marriage, and fatherhood is like sitting under the sword of Damocles, and it’s very understandable that most wouldn’t want to take that risk. Marriage is like a business venture nowadays. If they want to make the contract more appealing, simply lower the risk.

  • grerp

    I can’t see anything past March 5th.

  • Dan

    Maybe if men werent devalued by rampant feminism in every aspect of society, and the entire role of the husband and father in our civilization wasn’t revoked to please militant feminists, maybe if women weren’t favoured for jobs and positions to promote gender equality in the workplace, I might want to go out and get a job, and raise a family. As it is, because of ridiculous laws that favour women, I can be accused of rape with no evidence at all and treated as a rapist untill I am cleared, losing my job, family and friends. I be divorced with no fault at all, lose my children, property and income in that no-fault divorce, be roped into paying child support for children I’m not allowed to see in that same divorce, go to prison because I can’t afford to pay that child support. I can fall in love with a woman, and have her destroy my entire life out of nothing more than boredom, take my children, tear apart my family, take my house, my property and my income, even destroy my reputation, and I don’t have to have done anything wrong. Society teaches women that men aren’t feeling…

  • Iduna

    Yes, all of them. It’s not fucking difficult to do the math on who is occupying all of the gainful employment in this country; or who removed most of it in the first place; or who is complaining the most about the effects of their own stupidity: Thoughtless baby boomers.

  • anony

    the amount of cultural – Marxist propaganda in this article is simply unbelievable.

    “white men have become lazy and stupid because hummmm humm video games yes video games and porn yes that’s why. haha I am so smart because I have degree in sociology from Harvard haha” give me a fucking break..

    btw I have Chemistry degree from a good university and while most of my female colleagues already have jobs no employer will replay to my applications unless I have a masters and/or 2-3 years experience.

  • Cheese

    “The women are a little bewildered. They’re good girls. They followed the script”

    And that is the exact problem. Not all of us are interested in this cookie cutter life that has been forced upon us from birth. I for one am absolutely repulsed by the idea of creating a cute little “base” (buying a house), buying a car, waking up at 5 in the morning every damn day, and going to work so that I can dedicate over one third of my life to other people.

    I don’t care that I won’t have money, and your precious items that you have been taught to rely on. People are so needy that it disgusts me. You have to have your little TVs, and computers, and fancy coffee tables, etc. Is the idea of someone not being attracted to all of that stuff really that taboo, and unfathomable? Why are you attracted to “men” who you know damn well only went to college and went through the process in the exact way he was pressured to, only so that he could consistently get laid eventually? No woman wants something different. That is why you will always come in second place. You don’t have…

  • Will

    Men have no incentive or need to get married and have kids as soon as is humanly possible. If anything, we have an incentive not to.

    These young men you so despise still have plenty of time. They can wait until 40 to get married if they want, and spend the next 20 years saving money, and enjoying life instead of paying for your clothes. We’re not slaving away at jobs we hate, just to borrow and mortgage our future to buy you a $10,000 piece of carbon and a house. We were willing to do these things once upon a time, and probably would still, but you changed the rules.

    Feminism has given women more opportunities and more independence. It has also emasculated a generation of men who have been raised to believe women don’t need them. Men are giving you what you said you wanted, but you can’t fight nature. Men are just doing what makes them happy, while your biological clocks are ticking away. Ours just tick slower.

  • Will

    Men have no incentive or need to get married and have kids as soon as is humanly possible. If anything, we have an incentive not to.

    These young men you so despise still have plenty of time. They can wait until 40 to get married if they want, and spend the next 20 years saving money, and enjoying life instead of paying for your clothes. We’re not slaving away at jobs we hate, just to borrow and mortgage our future to buy you a $10,000 piece of carbon and a house. We were willing to do these things once upon a time, and probably would still, but you changed the rules.

    Feminism has given women more opportunities and more independence. It has also emasculated a generation of men who have been raised to believe women don’t need them. Men are giving you what you said you wanted, but you can’t fight nature. Men are just doing what makes them happy, while your biological clocks are ticking away. Ours just tick slower.

  • Will

    Men have no incentive or need to get married and have kids as soon as is humanly possible. If anything, we have an incentive not to.

    These young men you so despise still have plenty of time. They can wait until 40 to get married if they want, and spend the next 20 years saving money, and enjoying life instead of paying for your clothes. We’re not slaving away at jobs we hate, just to borrow and mortgage our future to buy you a $10,000 piece of carbon and a house. We were willing to do these things once upon a time, and probably would still, but you changed the rules.

    Feminism has given women more opportunities and more independence. It has also emasculated a generation of men who have been raised to believe women don’t need them. Men are giving you what you said you wanted, but you can’t fight nature. Men are just doing what makes them happy, while your biological clocks are ticking away. Ours just tick slower.

  • Richard

    I think guys should support themselves just to take the burden off parents, but anything over and above that is optional, and realistically speaking men don’t owe it to women to go any extra mile. Know what you want, and take care of yourself. Personally I hate the idea of kids, and won’t be having any – it’s not my responsiiblity to want what women and the media want me to want. I also think that, frankly, a lot of people wringing their hands over these “manchildren” types need to stop whinging and just deal with it.

  • Will

    Men have no incentive or need to get married and have kids as soon as is humanly possible. If anything, we have an incentive not to.

    These young men you so despise still have plenty of time. They can wait until 40 to get married if they want, and spend the next 20 years saving money, and enjoying life instead of paying for your clothes. We’re not slaving away at jobs we hate, just to borrow and mortgage our future to buy you a $10,000 piece of carbon and a house. We were willing to do these things once upon a time, and probably would still, but you changed the rules.

    Feminism has given women more opportunities and more independence. It has also emasculated a generation of men who have been raised to believe women don’t need them. Men are giving you what you said you wanted, but you can’t fight nature. Men are just doing what makes them happy, while your biological clocks are ticking away. Ours just tick slower.

  • Will

    Men have no incentive or need to get married and have kids as soon as is humanly possible. If anything, we have an incentive not to.

    These young men you so despise still have plenty of time. They can wait until 40 to get married if they want, and spend the next 20 years saving money, and enjoying life instead of paying for your clothes. We’re not slaving away at jobs we hate, just to borrow and mortgage our future to buy you a $10,000 piece of carbon and a house. We were willing to do these things once upon a time, and probably would still, but you changed the rules.

    Feminism has given women more opportunities and more independence. It has also emasculated a generation of men who have been raised to believe women don’t need them. Men are giving you what you said you wanted, but you can’t fight nature. Men are just doing what makes them happy, while your biological clocks are ticking away. Ours just tick slower.

  • Shawn

    I find it interesting how this article compares 1960s standards of “man” to today, as though the times haven’t changed but the men have.
    With an awful job economy, soaring tuition costs, etc, there are fewer and fewer reasons to “grow up” to modern men, and the whole “not married/no kids by 30″ takes 2 to tango.

  • John

    I’m 50. I’ve read this article. Ignore every single word of it. There is almost no upside in buying into being a husband, father, “responsible man” in the society we live in. Pursue your pleasures

  • Fredric

    “By Sandy Hingston” Enough said. Women are expecting to much and giving to little. They want equal rights and all, but still demand us men to pay for everything. It’s the feminists fault.

  • Noname

    Found this linked to 4chan. Is this serious? This can’t be serious.

    Author is either trolling for views or incredibly stupid.

  • n

    I think it’s kind of embarassing how a lot of women base their happiness, self worth (as well as other’s) and maturity by how big of a house they have, how much their husband makes and if they have kids or not.

    That is such a depressingly shallow and boring outlook on life that I thank raptor Jesus every day for the fact that my girlfriend is not like that.

  • matthew

    Someone please tell me if this is a joke article? It’s god damned terrible.

  • matthew

    Someone please tell me if this is a joke article? It’s god damned terrible.

  • Matt

    I have a degree, a full time job, a GF and I game every night. You mad?

  • Shaunoez

    All we want is sex.
    well up until about 2 years ago, all I wanted was a woman I could date and marry, but All I see is women slutting around, so I lose respect for women and decide to just sleep around.

    none of them have jobs
    i have a full time job working in IT but i guess thats just for boys, despite the fact i make a salary its just for boys.

    fuck off with this complete trash.

    women followed the script?
    which women? the ones who are at university all day, study all night? the kind of women who wouldnt have volunteered to give out information to this? the women you asked are brain dead whores who are only good for a fuck.

  • Anony

    The women want to be treated as equals but they want to tell men how to dress, work, act, what their hobbies and interests should be, that’s strange, because when men try to tell you how to do any of those things we’re sexist and chauvinist, it’s just interesting me playing videogames is a waste of time and a shameful behavior, but a woman playing videogames is unique and interesting, you want equality or you want superiority? I’ve nothing wrong with being considered/considering women as equals, but you will learn your place if you think you can try to change me simply because YOU disagree with my interests, regardless of your gender.

  • MadBavarian

    “The majority of the guys my age that I meet are immature,” says Jessica ­Claremon, a blunt, outspoken 24-year-old who grew up in Fort Washington and now lives in New York City, where she works for Nickelodeon.

    So she spends her time producing radical leftist propaganda for Viacoms Children TV Channel and complains about childish men? Watch any show on Nickelodeon and you’ll see a weak beta male and a STRONG, INTELLIGENT WOMYN bossing them around. I don’t know a single show on the channel that portrays realistic roles of the sexes.

    Examples?
    Spongebob: Weak beta male who can’t even drive.
    Sandy: Rocket Scientist who is stronger than all of her male friends
    BONUS: She is from a traditionalistic state like Texas. Great tactic, get girls from a conservative state to identify with a radical feminist and make them insecure about being normal women.

    Fairly OddParents:
    Cosmo: Childish Idiot who can’t tie his shoelaces
    Wanda: Very Intelligent, Voice of Reason
    BONUS: The Parents are irrelevant, idiotic sidegags with no authority

    Drake & Josh: Two Brothers who get bossed around by their little sister, father is a moron, mother is in charge.

    The list just goes on and on, you can pick out virtually any children show made…

  • Jesse

    Feminists finally got what they wanted and it is still not good enough? Men were systematically emasculated all throughout the 90′s(at least in America) and now suddenly it’s the fault of men that they got sick of dealing with it? Stay classy, women. ::goes back to his video games::

  • Nigger

    Is fucking dumb feminist propaganda

  • shawn

    thanks for bashing us men. even though i stay up playing games all night, i work 45 hours a week. i am a military vet with a combat tour to afghanistan as well. so just because u have had a bad experience because you chose a guy u clearly shouldnt have been with otherwise u wouldnt have posted this article.

  • shawn

    thanks for bashing us men. even though i stay up playing games all night, i work 45 hours a week. i am a military vet with a combat tour to afghanistan as well. so just because u have had a bad experience because you chose a guy u clearly shouldnt have been with otherwise u wouldnt have posted this article.

  • Mikhail

    I’m 24 years old, and I play a shit ton of video games. I also work in a trade 40 hours a week, it’s hard work but I enjoy it. I’ve been saving money since I got out of high school, and I have around $30k in the bank now, maybe more. I live with my girlfriend in an apartment, we’ve been together seven years. This article is disgusting, the sweeping general statements, the complete disregard for a young man’s happiness. I can say with honesty that video games saved my life; I’ve been severely depressed and close to killing myself on multiple occasions. When gaming, I set goals and achieved them, min/maxed statistics as efficiently as possible, worked for rewards and succeeded, etc. It’s a great mental workout. One game in particular caused me to look at my life, relate the problems that take place in the game to it, and realize very important things about happiness and what it truly is.
    So, is this article about me? I don’t f*cking think so, this article is disgusting propaganda and that’s all.

  • J

    What makes this writer think that morality isn’t relative? Do they know anything about video games whatsoever? Our lives are meaningless, and I’m sure that people are figuring it out. It’s not a problem where white males feel left out, it’s apathy due to an understanding that they are a part of the worst generation since the 70′s, due to their horrible parents and bad birth placement. Now I’m not gonna say my parents are bad people, but they aren’t good parents. I fit into this demographic that you are pointing at here, and I reject your narrow viewpoint of our entire existence.

  • James

    Heavy on anecdotes light on data. Pathetic

  • James

    This article is clearly silly and written to sell copies. It’s yellow journalism in it’s simplest form; every single controversial angle is touched upon with a gross generalisation made to incite rebuke. Especially the “women are lesbians because men are losers” line.

    The author very much knew what she was doing when she wrote this article.

  • Rico

    “The women are a little bewildered. They’re good girls. They followed the script: did well in high school, got into college, worked hard there, got out, got jobs…”

    Well first off, I question that most young women are “good girls” – even when I graduated high school in the early 90s, there was a large minority of girls who had racked up an impressive partner count by graduation. It’s much worse now.

    And let’s talk about following the script, shall we? As a guy, I worked hard in high school, worked hard in college, got a decent job before I had even graduated, followed my mom’s advice to be nice and treat women with respect, etc. I was in good shape, a decent looking guy – hell, I even played guitar in a local rock band. Everything I had been told to do to find a good woman to marry and raise a family with. The girls should have been beating down my door, right? Nope – they were more interested in “finding themselves” (read: getting drunk and having one night stands with broke assholes)

  • Jillian

    This article is dreadfully written, poorly researched and full of biased opinions with no basis in fact. As a woman I found it almost as insulting to my intelligence as it was insulting to men. I won’t go into all the ways in which this was done but it seems to me that the only thing an article like this can achieve is to make both genders dislike each other. At least my boyfriend and I managed to laugh at it for 5 minutes. It’s not worth taking any more seriously than that.

  • Mike

    We don’t need to work ourselves to death anymore: As long as we aren’t a burden on our parents for too long, we don’t need to slave away in jobs we hate till we croak just to support a wife and kids. Hell, we don’t even HAVE to form families anymore, it’s not like the world is lacking population.

    A lot of us refuse to become beasts of burden for some angry female taskmaster, we’re fed up that our only value is our utility to women, and not our humanity. Men have had enough of being exploited, deal with it girls.

  • John

    As a society, we’ve abandoned responsibility and embraced short-term gratification. The result? Single moms. You wanted it, you got it ladies. Raise that child on your own. Show us how strong you really are.

  • Herp

    Yay for stereotypes. One of the reason real men have so much trouble finding women these days is because of idiots like the writer. A relationship is a shared commitment, and neither sex is entitled to absolutely nothing. I play video games and I serve my country fixing planes. This article only enforces my belief that feminists are extremely stupid; maybe even more stupid than religious extremists. All a feminist can look forward to is a stupid husband, because none of the smart ones will fall for stupid shit like this.

  • jason

    The author of this article is ridiculous. To say that there are more self-identifying lesbians now than there were 20 years ago (duh?) because men are “losers” is hilarious. Writer, you ought to be ashamed of yourself.

  • Anon

    The reason I stay single is because the kind of love I want doesn’t exist and the real thing is a pain

  • John

    So, let’s see.

    If you have a hobby, you’re wasting your time away.
    If you act how you want and achieve happiness the way you want, you’re a loser. Except if you are a woman.
    If for some reason you do not want to marry or have children, you have a problem.
    If you don’t leave home after age X, you’re a despicable leecher regardless of the reason.
    If you don’t fullfil every single criteria down to the tiniest details determined, you’re not dateable. Regardless of that,apparently, all you ever need to do to get a girlfriend / wife is to live alone and have money, everything else is optional.

    Sure makes sense. It’s all videogames’ fault.

  • JD

    So, because I am going to school for almost 10 years after high school (for about $10k a year) and I chose to stay at my childhood home since I can’t fit a 40 hour work week into my schedule, I am pitiful. Since if I decide to start a family it will be after I’m 30 (Because, you know, massive student loans), I am pitiful.

    You know what, I’ll take the games and porn, at least then I’m being responsible and saying that I can’t afford to support a family while saddled with debt.

  • who

    I just love seeing bad parents who didn’t offer their kids guidance lamenting about how terrible and awful the youth of today is. Did you teach your kids what it takes to be a man? No? Then kindly shut up and quit complaning about them being childish sissies.

  • Anonymous

    I find it strange that everytime i read an article like this, it sums up to “Men today are pussies! Women can’t get REAL MEN!”. Strangely, they never mention how women are materialistic, cheat on their spouses, or ANYTHING that is even the slightest bit negative about them at all. It’s always a man bashing article that ends with “Oh those poor poor women!”

  • Young Male

    Hey, why so mean? You know we can still read, right? I guess I should just go feel bad about myself some more.

  • CUNT

    MAYBE ITS BECAUSE THEY FINALLY CRACKED?

    Ya know they dont want to be slaves…..are you women fucking serious?

    We provide everything for you , and in the past we dealt with it and did because you stayed at home and were faithful , now all women are cheap little cheating whores , hypocrites and scumbags , wanting one thing one day and the exact opposite the next day , “WHY DONT U SAY U LOVE ME?!?!” next day “YOUR TOO CLINGY DERP DERP”

    Women just want materials , things appease them like shiny things and chocolates like a 5 year old , we know you never grow up and stay that way…..we;ve known for 100′s of years , now we just wont put up with your shit anymore

  • tbvfcvfdv

    How come it was okay for women to decide how they wanted to live, but now that men do, it is wrong?

  • Sig

    No one wants to work their ass off and pick up a girl later in life, who took their sweet time riding the dick carrousel and now wants to settle with the nearest paycheck.

    Cost/Benefit is higher for games, television, sports cars, etc. than bothering with a used up meat sack with no redeemable features.

    This is being approached from only one side, assuming only men are wrong. Think, why is it that women are less appealing for relationships now than they were 40 or 50 years ago?

  • afjdlk

    Yeah, just what all young men want to do. Get married to a shrieking nag who will more likely than not divorce us within five years (most marriages fail and most divorces are initiated by women), and then be victimized by the courts which unfairly advantage women, to the point where marriage is now obsolete and intelligent men are refusing to enter such a onesided arrangement more and more.

    This is the bird coming home to roost. Not interested in what you’re selling us. It’s rotten.

  • Jake

    Why does a man want a career? To move out of home.
    Why does he move out of home? To move in with his Spouse.

    The only reason the vast majority of men even need to work full time is to support a wife/girlfriend and maybe a child.
    All that’s happening is younger men are not interested in modern women, and as a result choosing to spend their time doing things they enjoy, rather than working their lives away to support someone they don’t even like.
    Personally, i only work 20 hours a week, yet I’m putting in the area of $1100 a month into my Savings account, even after $400 rent, simply because i stopped wasting money on women and drinking. And I’m only 20.

    Face it girls, the time of men having to do the chasing is over, you’re equal now, and that works both ways.

    In addition to that, if you’re a man, getting married in modern society is simply financial suicide. There isn’t a single tangible benefit to marriage for men, except of course, for the Tax cuts.

  • Andrew

    Reading the article carefully I find the writer asks many good questions. Why are men changing the way they are? Sadly like many users mentioned there is a heavy tone of generalization and double speak (ala Woman are successful but men should be MORE SUCCESSFUL (and preferable own a business)! more balanced writing along with tighter sources would have made this a quality article. -21 year old male psychology major student

  • yeah

    People discovered that they don’t really have to fulfill society’s expectations. It goes for both genders.

  • David

    I fit in practically all of the criteria that the author put forth and yet I can say for sure that it’s not my fault. Nobody hires because of education and degrees anymore, it’s all about relevant experience. And whining about younger generations is as old as Socrates. Give it a rest.

  • A

    treating women like women died when women demanded to be treated like men. It’s a concept the author and many others fundamentally misunderstand.

  • Mumford

    “You’d think boys would be feeling bad about their lack of puissance. They’re not, especially, because we’ve painstakingly taught them never to be judgmental. When the authors of the book Lost in Transition: The Dark Side of Emerging Adulthood polled young adults, 47 percent agreed that “morals are relative, there are not definite rights and wrongs for everybody.” If you want to lie in bed all day and beat up virtual hookers—dude, hey, that’s cool.”

    Are you f’ing serious? This literally has nothing to do with anything and if anything shows that men think outside the box

  • John

    I’d like to think that 14.6% of women are identifying as lesbians simply because they’ve realized that women are just better than men overall, ha. Not to be deprecating of men or anything (although it’s easy to think so from my post), but women are easier to think of as beautiful and other nice little adjectives — not to mention that they possess more positive qualities in this day and age…

  • Marc

    Does this vapid cunt really drone on for 6 more pages? i’ve got video games to play and porn to watch. see ya later!

  • Conor

    Ever heard the phrase “correlation is not causation”? It’s probably the very first thing you learn about communication theory and I think you may have forgotten. This article is chock full of sweeping generalizations based on assumption. The maturity of an entire generation is not something that can be empirically measured, so don’t try! It’s completely subjective. How could you possibly try to generalize young men like myself by citing interviews with random girls at a bar as evidence? You even tried to assert that three times as many women than men are gay because “the guys they know are losers.” What’s next? Men are gay because girls have cooties? Go back to school.

  • Conor

    Ever heard the phrase “correlation is not causation”? It’s probably the very first thing you learn about communication theory and I think you may have forgotten. This article is chock full of sweeping generalizations based on assumption. The maturity of an entire generation is not something that can be empirically measured, so don’t try! It’s completely subjective. How could you possibly try to generalize young men like myself by citing interviews with random girls at a bar as evidence? You even tried to assert that three times as many women than men are gay because “the guys they know are losers.” What’s next? Men are gay because girls have cooties?

  • Toads

    There are no men who are ‘immature’ in relation to women. If anything, men are doing the morally right thing by refusing to be slaves.

    And to the stupid female who claimed that men were ‘financially dependent on women’, that is pure projection. Women even today are 100% dependent on men for money. Women only think otherwise because it is the government propping them up.

    Women said ‘a woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle’. Men said ‘OK, c-ya’. Turns out that *women* are the ones who are not needed. Heh.

  • realistic
  • Stormy

    I think the one quote from the college co-ed underlines the actual problem: “they’re choosing to do something that wastes their time and sucks the life out of them.” The assumption here, and throughoutt this article, seems to be that men only exist as a tool for serving the needs of other. Any time spent on their own happiness is “wasted”. If they have their own plans or opinions about anything, they’re being selfish. And so it goes.

    It’s not suprising that men are tired of being treated this way and increasingly responding by defying a society that demands they accept responsibility without offering any control to go along with it.

    Indeed, this whole article doesn’t seem at all concerned whether this leaves men unfulfilled or unhappy. It’s outraged that men could possibly be satisfied when there’s a woman out there that wants them to be doing something.

  • Jos

    “…extended adolescence may be the accidental offspring of the Pill.”

    a brilliant observation and it could not be more timely considering the current national debate. we should think about the social consequences of a tax-payer subsidized program making the pill even more readily available. the children and young adults who will inherit the federally subsidized healthcare system (of the variety the President Obama & Co. have passed into law) will inherit a good system, but will probably be unwilling and uninterested to maintain it. they’ll be too busy watching porn and playing video games to care.
    overall this was probably the best article I’ve read in Philly Mag in years. seriously, keep up the good work.

  • Kirk

    “I would like those same commenters to address the issue of immature adult males’ financial dependence on parents and women. How is their happiness related to the responsiblities they shove off onto others? ”

    I wasn’t aware that a large portion of men were financially dependent on women. Please provide some stats.

    As for the living at home issue, no one is denying that mooching off family members is wrong. The guys here are simply speaking out against the female-centric view of masculinity that has been drilled into their heads from an early age. In a culture that supposedly values egalitarianism, why is the concept of “masculinity” contingent on mens’ utility to women? It’s as simple as that.

  • J

    along the lines of “men have the right to define happiness anyway they please, and it’s not up to anyone else to impose it”. I would like those same commenters to address the issue of immature adult males’ financial dependence on parents and women. How is their happiness related to the responsiblities they shove off onto others?

  • amused

    I’m curious when you’ll toss out an article demanding women support men as they raise the children. After all, if the women are all men who else is going to raise the kids? Three quarters of the girls I know (19-99) aren’t qualified to be mothers. I’m all for progress. I’ll bake cookies, send the kids to school and keep the house cleaned. Flexibility goes both ways right? Go be a high powered journalist. Except women seem to hate the idea of a stay at home dad. Funny eh? When men’s ‘roles’ change as radically as women’s have in fifty years I’ll take garbage like this article seriously.

  • amused

    Modern marriage reminds me of suicide bombers. Get in close in disguise then blow up destroying your life. As much as my life sucks, 26, living with my parents no money no job, I almost have my college degree. I don’t have tens of thousands of dollars in child support, student loans, etc. I’m grateful I’m in a good place and worry about the men I served with who are still over there. So tell me sweetheart, why should I accept that my brothers are on the frontlines where they aren’t even told who the enemy is but over here they’re supposed to do everything for everyone else but themselves? I don’t blame them for drinking. They’re mostly alcoholics. Most can handle their liquor. The only reason I don’t drink is I’m afraid I would never stop. So don’t judge us too harshly sweetheart. After all, all those ‘losers’ you demand ‘man up’ are at least alive to play those video games of COD, and don’t give their families the shivers of doubt of whether they’ll come back alive in a month or week. They’re living their lives. You’re living yours. Next question. As an accomplished journalist and a writer…

  • amused

    “Real men stand up for the weak and disempowered’ really sweetheart? Quotas. affirmative action. BS degrees. The men are the weak and disempowered. Where is your article demanding women ‘woman up’ and charge into front line combat roles sweetheart? Have you included the casualty breakdown from Iraq? Afghanistan? Vietnam? World war 2? By gender? For there to be a society to be protected, it has to have value to the protectors. Both my father and stepfather lost their children to divorce. Their house. I watched half the men I served with in Iraq lose their wives, house, kids, 16 years of child support. A woman who is kinder than most in a support role at the college’s VA office asked me if I was afraid of “commitment.” I am a combat veteran. I was a machine gunner for a year in Iraq. Almost died from close range suicide bomb attacks, witnessed the aftermath of others. I’m struggling with PTSD, paranoia, trust issues from being forced for a year to perform patrols with locals wearing masks who we never knew whether they would be who they said they were, police local army etc., or impersonators wearing bombs to blow us up…

  • Jack

    In Japan 60% of men under the age of forty have checked out altogether when it comes to a life of chivalry, provide and protect for women and (their) children. So much so in fact, the government has identified it as a critical economic crisis for the country. Instead, like here in the west, they are focusing on their own immediate and long-term personal happiness. The men who posted here, who are not a statistic or a story line, but who are the actual people this article is about, have made their points clear in a collective and unified voice. Unless or until women start to listen to these realities, they should expect these and many more fundamental changes for men.

  • jimmy

    I learned everything about women in one week of my life. I spent 4 years in college single. I would have loved to have a woman to come home to at night but no, I wasn’t good enough for any of them.
    Then I graduated. Got a dot.com job in the first week for $55K. Showed off my check to one of my ex classmates and the word got out. Within 2 days, four girls, barely legal, started pursuing me, wearing the shortest miniskirts that were legal.
    Guess what? I told them all to f**k off. “You didn’t want me a week ago, you don’t want me now. Sorry, but I can afford my own woman”.
    Been single ever since. Get all my sex from pr0n and escorts. It works out much cheaper than the real thing and no child support lawsuits.
    You ladies have “Sex and the City” and “Desperate Housewives”. I have my pr0n and escorts.
    See Ya.

  • jimmy

    I learned everything about women in one week of my life. I spent 4 years in college single. I would have loved to have a woman to come home to at night but no, I wasn’t good enough for any of them.
    Then I graduated. Got a dot.com job in the first week for $55K. Showed off my check to one of my ex classmates and the word got out. Within 2 days, four girls, barely legal, started pursuing me, wearing the shortest miniskirts that were legal.
    Guess what? I told them all to f**k off. “You didn’t want me a week ago, you don’t want me now. Sorry, but I can afford my own woman”.
    Been single ever since. Get all my sex from pr0n and escorts. It works out much cheaper than the real thing and no child support lawsuits.
    You ladies have “Sex and the City” and “Desperate Housewives”. I have my pr0n and escorts.
    See Ya.

  • jimmy

    I learned everything about women in one week of my life. I spent 4 years in college single. I would have loved to have a woman to come home to at night but no, I wasn’t good enough for any of them.
    Then I graduated. Got a dot.com job in the first week for $55K. Showed off my check to one of my ex classmates and the word got out. Within 2 days, four girls, barely legal, started pursuing me, wearing the shortest miniskirts that were legal.
    Guess what? I told them all to f**k off. “You didn’t want me a week ago, you don’t want me now. Sorry, but I can afford my own woman”.
    Been single ever since. Get all my sex from pr0n and escorts. It works out much cheaper than the real thing and no child support lawsuits.
    You ladies have “Sex and the City” and “Desperate Housewives”. I have my pr0n and escorts.
    See Ya.

  • jimmy

    I learned everything about women in one week of my life. I spent 4 years in college single. I would have loved to have a woman to come home to at night but no, I wasn’t good enough for any of them.
    Then I graduated. Got a dot.com job in the first week for $55K. Showed off my check to one of my ex classmates and the word got out. Within 2 days, four girls, barely legal, started pursuing me, wearing the shortest miniskirts that were legal.
    Guess what? I told them all to f**k off. “You didn’t want me a week ago, you don’t want me now. Sorry, but I can afford my own woman”.
    Been single ever since. Get all my sex from pr0n and escorts. It works out much cheaper than the real thing and no child support lawsuits.
    You ladies have “Sex and the City” and “Desperate Housewives”. I have my pr0n and escorts.
    See Ya.

  • jimmy

    I learned everything about women in one week of my life. I spent 4 years in college single. I would have loved to have a woman to come home to at night but no, I wasn’t good enough for any of them.
    Then I graduated. Got a dot.com job in the first week for $55K. Showed off my check to one of my ex classmates and the word got out. Within 2 days, four girls, barely legal, started pursuing me, wearing the shortest miniskirts that were legal.
    Guess what? I told them all to f**k off. “You didn’t want me a week ago, you don’t want me now. Sorry, but I can afford my own woman”.
    Been single ever since. Get all my sex from pr0n and escorts. It works out much cheaper than the real thing and no child support lawsuits.
    You ladies have “Sex and the City” and “Desperate Housewives”. I have my pr0n and escorts.
    See Ya.

  • Jimmy

    I learned everything about women in one week of my life. I spent 4 years in college single. I would have loved to have a woman to come home to at night but no, I wasn’t good enough for any of them.
    Then I graduated. Got a dot.com job in the first week for $55K. Showed off my check to one of my ex classmates and the word got out. Within 2 days, four girls, barely legal, started pursuing me, wearing the shortest miniskirts that were legal.
    Guess what? I told them all to f**k off. “You didn’t want me a week ago, you don’t want me now. Sorry, but I can afford my own woman”.
    Been single ever since. Get all my sex from pr0n and escorts. It works out much cheaper than the real thing and no child support lawsuits.
    You ladies have “Sex and the City” and “Desperate Housewives”. I have my pr0n and escorts.
    See Ya.

  • Jimmy

    I learned everything about women in one week of my life. I spent 4 years in college single. I would have loved to have a woman to come home to at night but no, I wasn’t good enough for any of them.
    Then I graduated. Got a dot.com job in the first week for $55K. Showed off my check to one of my ex classmates and the word got out. Within 2 days, four girls, barely legal, started pursuing me, wearing the shortest miniskirts that were legal.
    Guess what? I told them all to f**k off. “You didn’t want me a week ago, you don’t want me now. Sorry, but I can afford my own woman”.
    Been single ever since. Get all my sex from pr0n and escorts. It works out much cheaper than the real thing and no child support lawsuits.
    You ladies have “Sex and the City” and “Desperate Housewives”. I have my pr0n and escorts.
    See Ya.

  • Jimmy

    I learned everything about women in one week of my life. I spent 4 years in college single. I would have loved to have a woman to come home to at night but no, I wasn’t good enough for any of them.
    Then I graduated. Got a dot.com job in the first week for $55K. Showed off my check to one of my ex classmates and the word got out. Within 2 days, four girls, barely legal, started pursuing me, wearing the shortest miniskirts that were legal.
    Guess what? I told them all to f**k off. “You didn’t want me a week ago, you don’t want me now. Sorry, but I can afford my own woman”.
    Been single ever since. Get all my sex from pr0n and escorts. It works out much cheaper than the real thing and no child support lawsuits.
    You ladies have “Sex and the City” and “Desperate Housewives”. I have my pr0n and escorts.
    See Ya.

  • Joanne

    I married at 19, children at 23 and 25 and my husband walked out on his family for another women. I Kept the house for 36 years; helped both children graduate college and told them ” at some point in your life you will need to come home for about 6 months to “get your life together” but only for six months rent free and no responsibilities. By the age of 26 six they both used up their “coming home time.” At the age of 49 I inally went to college and I have done it all on my own for the last 31 years. No complaints It’s what life deals you, please won’t everyone just learn to play nice together?

  • Jordan

    All my life people were telling me to go to college so I wouldn’t be flipping burgers my whole life. Years later and now in the recession these same people say I shouldn’t be too big to work flipping burgers or landscaping with a college degree. Sorry but all we want is the same opportunities offered everyone before us. Now there are no factories, plants, mills. Sorry if we are disallusioned with the whole “American Dream” right now.

  • James

    I am in my late 40′s and nearing the end of my first and God willing only marriage. I loved my wife dearly for all the years we were together. I treated her like gold, never cheated on her, didn’t go out drinking with my friends, didn’t sit around the house watching football all weekend, I kept a steady job and provided for her and our children, and what did I get in return? She cheated on me at least 3 times that I know of, she treated me like dirt, tormented me with endless mind games, I had to basically beg for any kind of attention, and then she left me for a complete loser and when that went to hell an even bigger loser. Then she asks if maybe we could try again? Are you kidding me? I’m not playing this game anymore. Stop the ride I want to get off!

  • pat

    I’m a married 49 year old male. I’m also a father.

    Ms. Hingston makes some valid, interesting points. But for crying out loud let’s put aside the experts, professors, shrinks and professional pundits/societal auteurs and call a spade a spade.

    The main problem is parents. Sorry folks but you guys f**ked up. What ever good your parents gave you in the way of a good upbringing has been totally wasted. You’ve raised a nation of whiny, self-entitled protest hamsters. And we have to deal with them.

    With apologies to MS. Hingston, only a full blown idiot goes to school for Journalism without a backupplan. there are jobs out there. People like “Connor” don’t want to work chances are the guy has never mowed a lawn or snaked a toilet. get a job washing dishes or stocking shelves. Pay your way. I had two jobs in high school, did an internship with an engineering school and helped out in the family restaurant before i was allowed to vote. It’s not hard. It’s just work. You can always write in your spare time. Millions of hipsters do it all day long in coffee shops.

    Just complete the transition, kid. get a few whimiscal tats…

  • MANUP

    The wimmenz are calling again. Whaaaaaa! Whaaaaaaa! You can hear their cries.

    Why aren’t you working for the benefit of corporate America or dying in our wars to free other wimmenz from the oppression of men elsewhere? This is totally unacceptable! Man up you slaves! For shame!

  • minuteman

    Feminism freed men from the drudgery of having to work like slave to support our families. With that responsibility gone, we are now free to live our lives as we choose and we are very happy about it. There is nothing more fulfilling than not being married to a harpie.

  • GSJockey

    Lot’s of great comments to this piece, but I’ll just say that this issue can be boiled down quite simply:
    “Women today are offering men nothing that men want or need.”

    And the fact that the state of family law today has turned marriage into a financial trap for men is just the nail in the coffin. Women will have to become much, much more honest and self-critiquing for this situation to ever turn around.

  • Astro

    Since women are accomplishing “wonderful stuff”, when can we expect them to win Nobel prizes in science? Maybe apply Title IX to science and then see? Last 50+ years of “freedom from oppression” didnt make it happen.. so lets rig the game there also.

    And if men come anywhere close, lets just accuse them of false rapes etc and incarcerate them, or at least destroy their careers http://falserapesociety.blogspot.com/

  • Astro

    http://owningyourshit.blogspot.com/2011/05/in-my-travels-through-opinionated-world.html

    For women, marriage is all benefit and zero risk, and that’s why women are whining about men’s reluctance to tie the knot. But for men, it’s the other way around–no guaranteed benefit, and the kind of risk an adrenaline junkie would eschew.
    But if he marries, he faces a 33% chance that his wife will leave him. If she does, his rights and responsibilities with respect to his children are often comparable to what they would be were those children conceived in casual hook-ups. He can and often does lose a portion of his assets to his wife (allocation of assets are generally not 50/50 when children are involved), and his financial responsibilities to his wife, in the form of a percentage of his income, can continue indefinitely, regardless of whether she is self-supporting, and regardless of the relative contributions each of them made towards the marital property and community assets.

  • Jasper

    If a virtual world is more enjoyable than a real world with you, maybe you should take a closer look at yourselves.

  • Jasper

    If a virtual world is more enjoyable than a real world with you, maybe you should take a closer look at yourselves.

  • Neil

    Well done Sandy if you absorb these comments you have started to scratch the surface of the problem at large, have you got the ovaries to see how deep the rabbit hole goes?

    Ever increasing numbers of men have consciously or sub-consciously carried the cost/benefit analysis of marriage and family (including the exit costs) and made a rational decision to opt out.

    After decades of blatant misandry have been ignored by women its only when feminism starts hurting women do they finally get interested in the problem. Men won’t forget the betrayal that easily I’m afraid.

  • Toads

    Sandy,

    Read The Misandry Bubble in order to learn more about why your article is immoral and wrong.

    The forces at work here are considerably more complex than you know.

  • Sandy

    I find the comments very interesting, “Anonymous.”

  • john

    This article has become a nightmare for the author.

  • Worn Out

    I am 60 years old. I have worked and raised a family, wearing myself out in the process. I work in a dead end job, waiting for retirement. I used to be an interesting guy when I was single, but now I’m just another boring old fart.

    I can’t complain though. My wife hasn’t divorced me, and we still sort of love each other. But she hectors me constantly for converting to a different religion than the one I was practicing when we married.

    I don’t see any benefit for young men to follow
    Ms. Hingborn’s advice and become an exhausted old broke down plow horse like me. Stick to your video games. Women aren’t worth the effort, and I was lucky enough to get a relatively good one.

  • Screw

    “That leaves young men with a long, long stretch of sowing wild oats—while young women tap their feet impatiently. (And not nearly as many people are marrying at all; in 1960, more than half of all 18-to-29-year-olds were wed; today, it’s around 20 percent.)”

    Are you freaking kidding me?! These so called ‘women’, the correct word starts with an ‘S’ and ends in a ‘T’, are doing nothing of the sort. They start sexing it up will in their teens and they are riding late into following morning with no such thoughts of marriage or children till they are well into their early thirties.

    Their vaginas are so stretched as to be wide enough to fit a carrier fleet through. They are a joke, not fit to be mothers, wives or moral figures to which to aspire to, but hell, they still feel they can lecture men. Give us a freaking break!

    Congratulations feminist, you earned this society. Please enjoy it.

  • Anon

    “In Boys Adrift, Leonard Sax says American men have gone astray because we’ve failed to provide them with a social construction of masculinity—an answer to the question “What makes a man a man?””

    Why always this default assumption of “We”? This unnamed “we” that is always supposed to “do something”?

    How about YOU just do nothing and leave us to decide?

    Once upon a time a “We”, called women, decided what it meant for men to be men.

    And what was masculine was whatever traits women found to be useful.

    The real problem in the culture when it comes to “masculinity” is that others try to define for men, besides the individual man, what it means for him to be himself.

  • Hagop

    Today’s young men are doing the only morally right thing: boycotting a society that views them as a cannon fodder; mindless ATMs to be discarded after use; unfeeling subhumans with no rights, only “duties”. So no, they’re not confused, it is you. Women always were the privileged class, but you felt that was not enough; that you can throw away your part of the social contract, discard even the small responsibilities that you had, spit in men’s faces and they still will worship you. And now you don’t even have the decency to admit your mistake, blaming instead the young males for not willing to endure your inhuman abuse. Seriously?

  • J

    So what does the article writer propose? The incentives and rewards to men to MAN UP have been whittled away to nothing until there is only inordinate risk left for the the endless and life shortening self-sacrifice. With the side effects of the sexual revolution, better and more realistic porn, and soon the male pill, any intelligent man will do a little as makes him happy and not sign onto a long term, extremely expensive and mostly one sided contract called marriage.

  • Bev

    He is a quote:
    “There is nothing more dangerous than to build a society with a large segment of people in that society who feel that they have no stake in it; who feel that that have nothing to lose. People who have stake in their society, protect that society, but when they don’t have it,
    they unconsciously want to destroy it.”

    — Martin Luther King Jr.

    Though this comment was made in a different context it is just as valid today when applied to young men of the western world. The subject of this article applies to and is happening in many more places than the US. Feminists should stop hand wringing and do some introspection. You created this situation.

  • Mark

    Can’t men make their own choices without generalized societal shame? Is the only alternative to have their lives relegated to someone else’s script?

    Have you considered that the so-called ‘script’ doesn’t work well for men?

    I love women. I could easily see myself committing to a woman for life, but I’m not going to enter into a one-sided contract with anyone… not even a woman that I love beyond measure. I’m sorry.

  • Pz

    Men have a hard time at college because the American education system discriminates against them. Everthing is female oriented.
    Additionally men no longer want long term relationships because women c

  • Professor Mentu

    “Something, it seems, is sucking the life out of guys quite literally.”

    “…says Jessica ¬Claremon, a blunt, outspoken 24-year-old”

    “more than one academic cites porn as a reason young men are content to…”

    There you have it. The whole article summed up in those three quotes. Men are having the life sucked out of them by disagreeable women who bring nothing to the table but attitude and a list of things they demand in a man, so the guys go home and watch porn.

    Sounds like a pretty good alternative to me. Women are saying “I don’t need a man. I can do it on my own” and men say “Ok. Bye.”

    Women need to be wanted and men want to be needed. We don’t want women who don’t need us, and women don’t need men who don’t want them. This isn’t rocket science, folks.

    Sincerely,

    Professor Mentu
    University of Man at Austin

  • Toads

    When video games are a better use of a man’s time than the modern woman, who has no wifely or motherly qualities whatsoever, projection from feminists is their desperate response.

    A man needs a modern woman like a bank needs a robber.

  • Toads

    Women don’t appear to understand cause and effect very well.

    Women were never truly oppressed, that is the big myth. That is why feminism actually liberated the oppressed group – the average working joe.

    This article is so illogical and juvenile that it makes women look more inferior, rather than men.

    I am glad that the costs of feminism are now transferring back to women.

  • Cloud

    Another question, ladies- what have YOU done for US lately? Seems that men are becoming selfish instead of selfless and women are having NO choice but to fend for themselves. You refused to follow tradition, men adapted and followed suit.

  • YourDad

    Please get off MY couch, stop eating MY food, using MY house as yours and get out there and get YOUR own life in order.

    Stop taking advantage of your parents generosity and be a MAN and find your own way. If you don’t then you will be a loser forever.

  • Just Another

    If women want to be taken care of in a bad economy, then they should woman up andget a damn job. It’s 2012, ladies- you’re equal, now. So stop acting fiscally responsible and start taking care of yourselves.

    Oh, and to that 24-year-old woman who works for Nikelodeon? Drawing cartoons all day isn’t a job. Grow up.

  • Bernard

    The answers to this story can be found in this thesis:

    http://www.singularity2050.com/the-misandry-bubble/

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  • Transmillenium
  • joe

    I know plenty of women my age who’ve not “followed the script.” This time of ours, with its depressed housing, jobless rates, rising education costs for decreasing value of college degrees has lead men and women into a host of new narratives that weren’t part of the Baby-boomer script.

    Come on, labeling a generation of men this way simply stokes some erroneous gender warfare debate. Baseless stereotyping. Let’s hurry and put the middle-class male threat level to orange!

    The success of my generation will be based on creating new narratives. In many ways previous post war generations had it easy. Go to college or get into manufacturing, do well, buy a home and have a better life than your parents did.

    Hey Millennials, beware of Boomers pedaling bunk theories based on the gender blame game. As a women, I’m not satisfied in pointer fingers. It’s weak.

  • Joe

    “The women are a little bewildered. They’re good girls. They followed the script: did well in high school, got into college, worked hard there, got out, got jobs, started looking around for someone special to share life with, and … ”

    First, you left out the part where, during that time, they ignored the studious guys and let themselves be used by the party boys they now resent.

    Second, who told them those were the rules, other than a bunch of women who believed that woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle? The rules should have been to find a kind, decent looking, intelligent industrious guy earlier in life, stick with him through school and eventually marry as his earning power goes up. Women are most attractive at 18-22 – sorry, it’s just how it is. Maybe even up to 25 or 26. Use that wisely, and don’t squander it with players and frat boys through your teens and twenties, while ignoring guys of character.

  • Dino

    72% of female newlyweds expect to get divorced. It’s part of the package to them. Women aren’t interested in committing. They initiate nearly all the divorces. They’re interested in men committing to them.

    It’s hilarious how women drop out like flies at all the stressful and taxing career paths, searching to downgrade and have a man support them. They’re so delusional thinking that work is such a privilege.

    These young men will surpass them at earning like men always do. The only change that is occurring is that men are increasingly wising up to the manipulative intentions of women. Keep raping men in the family courts and see what happens.

  • Chris

    Step 1: Tell two generations of men they are sexist, brutish, scum of the earth who will forever be inferior to women.

    Step 2: Give women massive privilege in obtaining scholarships and jobs.

    Step 3: Indoctrinate generations of women into perceiving every man as a vile monster, and that being “strong and independent” requires being hateful to men.

    Step 4: Rig divorce and child custody laws to make marriage a hideous trap for men.

    Step 5: Dehumanize men to the point that we believe their only role is to be a servant to women.

    Step 6: Act surprised when men give women the middle finger.

    Step 7: Go back to step 1

  • Jack

    You would never write such an article mocking and demonizing women’s flaws.

    I’m happy women are as bitter as they are. Most of them don’t view men as human beings and couldn’t spell ‘empathy’ without gagging. Porn, video games, beer, sports, hanging out? Sounds like fun. Unless your view of men is restricted to how they benefit whiny women.

  • J

    The avalanche of man-hating articles lately are very satisfying.

    They never look at the world from a man’s perspective – they only view men as an appliance for women. Since women only view men as a sperm bank and a wallet, men are increasingly checking out. A man needs a woman like a bank needs a robber.

    By the way – men are happier than ever while women are more miserable than ever. Google the studies on this. It’s all that matters. :)

  • Rorschach

    Another wittering article which fails to grasp the situation and boils down to yet another demand from women for men to “man up”.

    Why should we? Can we ask women to “woman up”?

    Feminism has “freed” women to live the way they want, to stomp around congratulating themselves on their successes and achievements. Good for you.
    The best news is that feminism has actually freed men. More and more men these days have opted out of the usual obligations and responsibilities – if women are so “equal”, why should men have to do anything for them?
    The real problem with feminism, unfortunately, is the way it constantly attacks men and labels us as abusers, rapists and pedophiles. Look at what happens to guys in uni. Two people get drunk, have sex, wake up in the morning and regret it … but she gets to call him a rapist.

    Women are getting better results and more uni places – but they still want men who are taller, richer and smarter. Tough. You can’t pick and choose when you are equal only when it suits you.

    I look forward to hearing about more and more men not getting married. Maybe someday all the inequalities and injustices will…

  • lo

    Fact is, the “traditional” male path of high stress career, marriage and family simply involve too much effort and risk for far too little reward. We men don’t exist just to provide women with relationships, for us to opt in women have to bring something to the table to justify what we are expected to provide. As it stands, video games, porn and casual sex are a far better alternative than a stressful job with long hours that we would require to earn the money to attract a woman, and pay for her wedding, her children, her divorce, her alimony and her child support. Modern girls really need to “woman up” to make the traditional masculine role appealing to men once again.

  • Paul

    Note how masculinity is framed I tiredly in therms of utility to women. It’s women who want babies and houses.

    As for school – its a scam. 1 trillion in student debt and counting, and a generation of mainly women who wil be carrying unserviceable debt for the rest of their lives.

    • Lil Bit

      women are getting jobs after school while men are moving back with their parent after school. And it’s the women’s debt that’s unserviceable??

  • Ty

    Marriage: Yes, so attractive for men, since divorces are primarily initiated by women, and men will be discriminated against by the courts.

    Economics: There are institutions created solely for women’s advancement, GOVERNMENT mandated discrimination against men for businesses. Also, 85+ of workplace deaths are men.

    Education: Financial aid/Scholarships available to only women, women’s groups.

    You would have to be an idiot not to see why men are discouraged, uninterested with those thing.

  • Paul

    More shaming tactics from a dying society.

    Don’t women and the other sickos realize that men do not care anymore because what they can gain from participating in society and playing its game is bad… that there are no more benefits.

  • Darren

    What a disgusting article. So modern women are these noble, moral creatures who are just helplessly waiting around for some “nice guy” to marry them ?? What a load of crap! Let me tell you about most of the young women today, they are spoiled, narcissistic, vain, entitled, shallow, superficial and all round horrible human beings with no moral fibre and who care not a jot for any human being other than themselves.They live in a shallow, fantasy based me me me world. No wonder men are avoiding these toxic, amoral creatures like the plague. They are also highly promiscuous, treat men like cr@p, and incidentally have zero interest in “nice guys” either.

    • Lil Bit

      you’re shaming women for being promiscuous when you get “man points” for doing the same thing.

      You sound like a 5 year old calling a girl fat because she got more candy than he did.

      You’re not 5 anymore

      Grow up

  • van

    “….They followed the script… high school… college… jobs, started looking around for someone special…”

    Wrong script. The husband quest should begin at 20, not 30. By the time a woman hits 30, most of the men of her generation will either…
    (a) already be married,
    (b) have been corrupted and rendered unmarriagable by the free sex culture (if they’re really attractive), or
    (c)give up hope of ever finding a woman (the rejected nice guys.)

    Women created this situation, by delaying the age of marriage of young men and simultaneously spreading their legs for free. Only a restoration of the old incentives, can restore the old behavior.

    • Lil Bit

      so you’re going to blame women for mens actions instead of taking ownership over your own choices…

      sounds like a child to me.

      I don’t hear a lot of women blaming men for keeping them from working because they are giving away their money or some other form of “leg spreading”

      because women TAKE OWNERSHIP OF THEIR CHOICES

      because they’re adults

      • van

        “…so you’re going to blame women for mens actions instead of taking ownership over your own choices…”

        I take full ownership of my own choices, because I made the RIGHT choices. I got a good education (STEM, not fluff), worked hard, built a career, kept my body in shape, didn’t play videogames…. and yet not until my late 30s did women start to consider me a marriage prospect. And no, I’m not short, bald, ugly or whatever, either (I feel sorry for those guys, it must be even harder.)

        So why’d I have such trouble? The girls of my generation were too busy running around… sleeping around… with badboys, to bother dating the old fashioned romantic monogamist that they all SAAAAYYYY they want. I was ready to marry and start a family almost 2 decades before women finally decided I was worth it….

        I’m happily married for a long time now, but from what I hear, the situation is even worse now. Women, by THEIR wrong choices, have created the strongest possible incentive for young men to NOT BOTHER with all that hard work.

        “….because women TAKE OWNERSHIP OF THEIR CHOICES….”

        No x1000. You absolutely DO NOT. And you are in the deepest possible denial about it. You created an incentive structure that at best, ignores good men, and at worst, actually punishes good men — and rewards the bad. And then you wonder WHY so many men are bad? TAKE RESPONSIBILITY for your choices, date GOOD men instead of bad boys.

        Otherwise I may have no choice but to send my sons to Russia or Ukrania when they’re old enough to marry…

  • Jim

    “There are young men out there, he says, who manage somehow to navigate the harrowing voyage through American culture and come out as “good guys”—men who drink responsibly, respect women, and behave in anti-sexist, anti-racist and anti-homophobic ways. So he’s studying them: ”

    And he’s probably finding that, for all their efforts, they tend to get less female attention than a lot of the so-called losers described in this article. Which should answer the question of why young men aren’t trying to hard to emulate that. To say nothing of what they’ve seen happen to men who “man up” and get married, only to go through the divorce ringer.

  • Jim

    “There are young men out there, he says, who manage somehow to navigate the harrowing voyage through American culture and come out as “good guys”—men who drink responsibly, respect women, and behave in anti-sexist, anti-racist and anti-homophobic ways. So he’s studying them: ”

    And he’s probably finding that, for all their efforts, they tend to get less female attention than a lot of the so-called losers described in this article. Which should answer the question of why young men aren’t trying to hard to emulate that. To say nothing of what they’ve seen happen to men who “man up” and get married, only to go through the divorce ringer.

    • Lil Bit

      so basically what you’re saying is these losers are losers because the only worth the see is through the attention the get from girls??

      and “losers” get more attention than “men”

  • Mark

    Step 1: Tell two generations of men they are sexist, brutish, scum of the earth who will forever be inferior to women.

    Step 2: Give women massive privilege in obtaining scholarships and jobs.

    Step 3: Indoctrinate generations of women into perceiving every man as a vile monster, and that being “strong and independent” requires being hateful to men.

    Step 4: Rig divorce and child custody laws to make marriage a hideous trap for men.

    Step 5: Dehumanize men to the point that we believe their only role is to be a servant to women.

    Step 6: Act surprised when men give women the middle finger.

    Step 7: Go back to step 1

    • Lil Bit

      sounds like you’re just bitching that men are now treated (almost) in the same way women have been treated by men for thousands of years.

      “Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.”

  • Nils

    I’m 26. I got a good job with far above average pay. Didn’t do to well in school (never saw the point of it). So now I’m busting my ass for a company to pay the tax man and the landlord (there goes 70% of my gross). Women don’t care much for me (probably because I’m “boring”) and still go after the same idiots and deadbeats they went after in school. Now I’m supposed to get married (50% chance of divorce) and have children?

    Other guys sit at home, play video games all day, not worry about a thing, have low stress, might even get more sex… How are they the losers in this?

    Ladies, you are supposedly independent now. If you want to get married, try to snatch up one of those guys so he can depend on you. I’m independent as well, I don’t need a woman in my life.

    Compared to when dating or living with a girlfriend I have a lot more money now and can afford other things that give me happiness.

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  • Mary

    This article reads like the idea itself was pitched before any real research was done and hurried to a deadline.

    If we go by the logic of the story, why would a white middle-class American male want to get married and have children anyway, if the net benefit is the future debt-burden of more lazy white middle-class man-children?

    As a female I found this article itself to be lazy, flawed and sexist.

  • Andrew

    The outrage in these comments seems so false. I get the impression that people skimmed the first few paragraphs and made a snap judgment before posting their polemics.

    I’m a 27 year-old guy and I saw this as being pretty spot-on, in terms of what I see in the world around me, in my friends, etc. I’m gay, so I not only fit the demographic this author describes, but it forms my dating pool, too. Perhaps my perspective is different, but I really enjoyed the article and thought it was insightful and thought-provoking.

  • Andrew

    There are a lot of comments here disparaging the content of the article (which I quite enjoyed nonetheless) but I did feel compelled to comment that the author is very talented. I really enjoyed the writing style and it held my interest throughout the piece.

    Good writing is such a rare delight these days. Kudos to the author.

  • Jordan

    I served in the army from 2001-2006 so I could afford to go to college. 3 tours later I leave and move back in with my parents. I get my degree with a 3.67 GPA taking 21 credits a semester to graduate into the worst economy since the depression. Now I am competing with years worth of graduates for entry level positions that aren’t available. What am I to do? Kill myself because girls who went straight to college got jobs before all this crap? Thanks for the pep talk but I define men by character not hobbies and living quarters

  • Jordan

    I served in the army from 2001-2006 so I could afford to go to college. 3 tours later I leave and move back in with my parents. I get my degree with a 3.67 GPA taking 21 credits a semester to graduate into the worst economy since the depression. Now I am competing with years worth of graduates for entry level positions that aren’t available. What am I to do? Kill myself because girls who went straight to college got jobs before all this crap? Thanks for the pep talk but I define men by character not hobbies and living quarters

  • Chris

    Ms. Hingston has thankfully done enough homework to gather some statistics on gender demographics, but her takeaway message is that, 24 to 30-year-old males can either strive to be “successful” or become derelict, video game playing, racist, misogynists.

    Where are the numbers on the female populace?

    Well, what can one really expect from a gossip magazine, journalism? I think not.

  • Paul

    Why the hell should I care about what society or women want? Things are different now. The old social contract between men and women is broken. Now men can redefine masculinity for themselves. Men are reacting to the changing climate. There’s no going back to the way things used to be.

    I’ve seen how fathers are removed from families. I’ve experienced first hand how education is set up specifically for female success. I’m not going to be anyone’s wage slave or servent. I’m going my own way. Nobody is entitled to my labour or the fruits of my labour. I don’t owe any woman commitment or money or sperm or anything.

    The picture above the article says that men have devolved. But the supposed ideal on the far left is not what I want to be. That man works horrible hours and destroys his health to support a woman. I won’t do that. a woman or a family is not worth that.

    A family is now a woman and her children. The father can be removed in an instant. He only exists to have resources extracted from him. Why should I want to hav anything to do with that?

    Internalize this. Men do not…

  • Ropoe

    I agree with part of this article though I feel it “clowns” on the modern American man. I think the issues are a little more obvious than are suggested here. Women’s Lib. made this all begin. Women were / are their own worst enemy. If you want to see women’s liberation in action directly you can look at the porno example they give here in this piece. Women fought for the freedom to show off and use their bodies how they chose, however when women started to make money with those bodies, the same feminists screamed that it was exploitation. Market power and education – Women kicked and clawed to make as much as men and now in a day in age where women’s salaries have risen 3x faster than men’s in the last 15 years, they want to know why men have stopped paying for dinners, stopped using their “buying” power as a measuring tool to success. This same thing happened in the Black community when the black female was given aid, jobs, advantages that the black male was not. Look at what that did. Eventually the men will just stop trying and go back to more or less…

  • Sandy

    Because Shaun told me he thought the article was “terrific” and asked for reprints.

  • Stacy

    How sad that the words of smart men like Shawn Harper and Barry Shwartz have been appropriated to “validate” the blatant generalizations and sketchy science contained in this article.

    What exactly is the point, anyway? Sounds like rose-colored yearning for the good ol’ days to me.

  • Super

    As as long we’re painting an entire demographic with the same brush, perhaps we should all Google Sandra Hingston and do an image search. It’s unlikely that someone who looks like that would understand the younger male demo, let alone be able to speak to the topic. The fact that Philly Rag made it the lead story? The writing (or lack there of) is on the wall. This is not journalism, nor is really an editorial narrative. It’s a fabricated middle-ground designed to sell rags. Obviously there are tons of ambitious men out there – good men who say and do the right thing – and chances are, they won’t come across this article. If they do, as I have, hopefully they’re dropping this trash mag, as I am.

    All-time low for this “publication.”

  • Justin

    There are so many over generalizations and sketchy statistics it makes me sick. Femmi Mag is not my cup of tea. Luckily I am a rational responsible 27 year old who makes 70k a year and most of my friends are in the same boat. I must live in an alternate universe. I sure do know some lazy helpless girls though.

  • Justin

    There are so many over generalizations and sketchy statistics it makes me sick. Femmi Mag is not my cup of tea. Luckily I am a rational responsible 27 year old who makes 70k a year and most of my friends are in the same boat. I must live in an alternate universe. I sure do know some lazy helpless girls though.

  • Mix

    This is the REAL reason why women fail so hard in relationships. Sandy neglected to mention the truth: http://goo.gl/YcBpI

  • Not

    Isn’t it funny how male gender roles are bad when boys are growing up. They claim it’s society making them oppressive males, but when they grow up suddenly those gender roles are thrust back at them. This is what “a real man” is. But, after being taught to forgo those roles why would they choose to reclaim them just because women and society now want to force them on them. Feminism told us male gender roles need to be destroyed … now live with the outcome. Boys grow into men, men who don’t need those roles for fulfillment anymore. Game away, enjoy your life, and remember it’s your life so be happy! Let women deal with the society they’ve created.

  • patrick

    Did anyone else notice that the “five metrics” the article uses to determine when a man is a man include (#4) getting married and (#5) having a child. I guess by those metrics I’m just not breeding hard enough for the woman who wrote this article. Like my father, I’m putting off a family as a pursue a career. Most of my friends, male and female alike, are doing the same thing. But I guess that’s just not an acceptable choice.
    I mean, my biological clock is ticking, after all, and I’ll never be more able to support a wife and kids than when I’m still paying off student loans.

  • S

    It’s funny that women can do what they want and choose the life they want, but if a man wants the same he’s a man-child, a boy. Don’t you see the hypocrisy of women defining what it is to be a man while men are told to shut on how women should be women. This article smacks of female entitlement and the selfish view that if men aren’t making women happy they’re not men: No true Scotsman anyone?

    • Lil Bit

      women aren’t the ones living with mommy.
      Women aren’t telling men how to be men
      women are tellng men how to be ADULTS
      because apparently they forgot how to be self-reliant, self-motivated, self-sufficient….

      Need I go on…

      • I Prove You Wrong

        “women aren’t the ones living with mommy.
        Women aren’t telling men how to be men
        women are tellng men how to be ADULTS
        because apparently they forgot how to be self-reliant, self-motivated, self-sufficient….

        Need I go on…”

        No need. You completely fail at making generalizations.

        I personally know a few women who are still living as “parasite singles” in their parents households. That disproves your first statement right there.

        And there’s plenty of women I see making comments on YouTube whom try to tell men how to be men – to “man-up” based on some old patriarchal values that were never addressed in the second wave of feminism. Feminism rejected those values with success – and rightfully so. Some men are doing the same now and are suddenly dumped together with the lazy-asses of society and the media is now screaming “man-children.”

        I am personally self-motivated and self-reliant. I just got my Bachelor’s degree and my internship has led to a full-time job.

        But I would still rather play video games on the side than look for someone to marry and start a family. It’s stupid to take such a high-risk. You’re essentially betting all of your possessions on one person and hoping they won’t change overtime for the rest of your life… And most people will change. It seems that enough men have woken up (or have been scorned enough times) and realized that marriage is a bad idea and you’re better off avoiding women.

  • William

    We were all put on Earth for the same reason: to be happy. And every man has the right to decide for himself how he will achieve that happiness. No man is obligated to enter into a relationship, a marriage or a job just to make a woman happy. If today’s women are not happy with today’s man, tough. Maybe it’s women who should be asking themselves, “Is what I can bring to a relationship enough?” and stop bashing men for exercising their freedom of choice.

  • Lucian

    Given the evolution of society, men see no point in “the quest to manhood”. Couple that with other ‘rites of passage’ men face with disproportionate risks, many are opting-out.
    Instead they are focusing on their own immediate and longterm personal happiness.

  • Shaddy

    Sorry. Feminism won. Enjoy your total victory. What did you think your brave new world would look like?

    Men don’t need women. Have a good one being the bread winner and bringing home the bacon, you feminist powerhouse you!

    • Lil Bit

      Men don’t need women now??
      This article is about men living at home with their mommies.. who cook and clean and pay their bills for them.

      It’s not the fathers doing this…

      Men need women… they just want those women to be their mommies so they don’t have to do any real work.

  • Jersey

    Where are these women that compete for my attention?? So far, I haven’t found any that exist…

  • Han Solo

    Just want to point out the irony that last months cover story pretty much glorified amy burnham for acting like a teenager well into her 40s…

  • Juliet

    As a 26 year old, married woman, I really enjoyed this article. I thank my lucky stars every day for my husband, who is a business owner at 28. We both have successful careers, own a home, and are planning to grow our family soon. The “men” I went to school with were pitiful. I think this article has a lot of valid and lucid points.

  • Diana

    So women are supposed to stop living up to their potential, stay at home and watch their stories and wait for Prince Charming to drive up in Mom’s minivan?! Puh-leaze. If that’s what’s out there then I’m going to be single for a VERY long time.

  • Critical

    What is this article doing in Philadelphia Magazine? I learned nothing except that the author Sandy Hingston cites sources without investigating their validity. Everything in this article is backwards

  • Cameron

    Mr. Sax seriously needs to take a Valium before he starts telling depressed people that they are DOOMED!!!! I guess peddling simplistic fear and hysteria really is the best way to make a quick buck in America.

    I’ve managed to turn my life around recently. Going back to school to start a career. I’m 29 – thank the lord I made Sax’s age cutoff.

    We were raised by the most selfish, shallow generation of the 20th century, and our planet is about to die (if you don’t believe me, read some McKibben). Any wonder we’re a bit confused right now?

  • Kate

    “Screech all that feminist propaganda long enough, and of course you’ll wind up with low-sperm-count losers trolling the Internet for porn.”
    Wow, I didn’t know the idea of treating women like ACTUAL PEOPLE was such a boner killer.

  • Critical

    Women aren’t lesbians because of men.

  • Critical

    There are significant issues with this article, the least of which I’m going to correct now. Contrary to what Leonard Sax purports, women aren’t lesbians because “The men they know are losers.” Wo