Kelly: Beating Man Coverage Is Huge For Us

NFL: Philadelphia Eagles at Tampa Bay Buccaneers

Chip Kelly got a taste last year of how NFL defenses would attempt to slow down the Eagles’ prolific offensive attack.

What he learned was that scheming ways to beat man coverage had to be a major point of emphasis before Year 2.


"People want to play you in man-to-man coverage," Kelly said last week. "We saw a lot more of that than other people. Getting guys that can get open versus man coverage is a key deal. Whether it’s Coop [Riley Cooper] or Mac [Jeremy Maclin] or DeSean [Jackson] or whatever. That’s the one thing we know as a group going in, is one-on-one coverage is a big deal for us. It is a big deal in this league. People probably  - I think, and I don’t know the statistics if you break it down - may have played us in more man than most teams in the league.

"So anybody we’re gonna look at at wide receiver from the future here on or that’s currently on our roster is: What’s your ability to get open in one-on-one coverage? Because we see a ton of it. That’s a huge thing for us in the offseason."

The Eagles did damage against zone looks early in the season, and opponents took notice. Part of the reason was that packaged plays put zone defenders in conflict and gave the team's quarterbacks post-snap options.

Soon, defenses took their chances playing a lot of man coverage, often with one safety deep. That allowed them to key in on LeSean McCoy and force the Eagles' pass-catchers to win one-on-one matchups. Tempo played a role as well.

"Sometimes it’s quicker to get lined up [in man coverage]," Kelly explained. " 'I’ve got that guy. Oh they’re lining up quick? I’ve got that guy again.' I think there’s a lot to be said in terms of that. You can assign a guy to the back, you can assign a guy to the quarterback. A lot of people played assignment football against us. And then it comes down to one on ones. And then you’ve gotta win. That’s the big thing."

The Eagles' best weapon against man coverage last year was Jackson. Some cornerbacks (Arizona's Patrick Peterson, New Orleans' Keenan Lewis) had success against him. But most either needed safety help over the top or gave Jackson a big cushion and let him make receptions on intermediate routes. As we've explained before, Jackson's release had nothing to do with his on-field ability or scheme fit.

Now, others will be asked to pick up the slack. And Kelly will lean on two new additions - Maclin and Darren Sproles.

Maclin, of course, is not really a new addition, but he did not play last season after suffering a torn ACL in July.

"He’s one of those guys that if we’re gonna see a lot of man coverage, I think can do a really, really good job because he’s such a precise route-runner, has outstanding speed, is good after the catch," Kelly said. "And so we’re excited to have him back."

With Sproles, the key is matchups. He's not someone who's going to line up out wide and consistently beat cornerbacks. But the Eagles gave up a fifth-round pick for his services, so clearly they believe the (soon-to-be) 31-year-old can help them win one-on-one battles in the passing game.

"We’re always looking for guys that can exploit those matchups," Kelly said. "I think the addition of Sproles. Are you gonna play us in man? Now you have to have a linebacker cover him if he's the back. That's a huge addition in terms of what we thought about bringing him in."

Of course, the key with Sproles is probably convincing teams he can still run the ball effectively. He only had 53 rushing attempts in 2013 and averaged 4.2 YPC. If opponents aren't concerned with him running the ball, they can go to their sub packages and match up a defensive back against Sproles. He showed on film last year that he can still beat safeties, but that' obviously not the same mismatch as Sproles against a linebacker.

Releasing Jackson was Kelly's call. And the head coach wouldn't have made it unless he felt confident he could replace the wide receiver's production. In addition to Sproles and Maclin, the Eagles will expand Zach Ertz's role, and they likely will add another offensive piece (or two?) in the draft.

Kelly has a pretty good idea of how teams are going to defend the Eagles in 2014. When considering personnel moves in the coming months, beating man coverage will be the focus.

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  • ODBorBustAllDay

    ODB-BRANDIN COOKS…. One or the other should be an Eagle come May 9th. For some strange reason though I feel like they’ll go Defense round 1. Just to prove to the world they’re not as concerned about replacing Jackson as we think they should be.

    • Tom W

      Don’t forget about Lee from USC … the kid destroyed oregon for two years and we have barkley who can give Chip and Howie some further insight into whether his junior yr numbers were a fluke or not. if lee came out after his sophmore year he woulda been a top 8 pick. Not that I want Lee, but we gotta realize Chipper loves, pac10, and loves guys who destroyed Oregon.

      • ODBorBustAllDay

        Yeah that PAC 12 bias concerns me a bit. Certainly he has a better understanding of those kids abilities than he might an SEC player, just hope he’s not being short sighted. I’m sure he has a definite ideal of who he needs to compliment the guy’s on the roster. I’m just not sure it’s gonna be a first rounder like we all assume. He could be targeting Josh Huff in the 3rd with the thought he can step right in and post results.

        • Richard Colton

          Like Cooks (love him w/ a trade down), love ODB at #22, hate Lee, would trade combination of draft picks and unborn children for Evans. Also like a number of WRs in 2nd & 3rd round.

          • oreofestar

            Cooks I like kind of too he is a bigger faster DJAX without character issues, if he there at 22 I do not think you trade down depending on who else is available though, ODB is my 2nd favorite wr I really would love him if he is there at 22 you are gonna have a hard time convincing me not to pick him, Evans I would LOVE SO FREAKING MUCH but I am not sure how much they would have to give or if they would be wiling but they can have me if that makes the trade more enticing

          • Richard Colton

            I didn’t mention Watkins for the same reason I don’t generally talk about Kalil Mack. Not gonna be there.

          • oreofestar

            Same at least with Barr and Evans there is an outside trade up shot Watkins and Mack are so out of reach why even bother

          • Richard Colton

            Evans would have me popping champagne corks on draft night. I would never mention #10′s name again.

          • oreofestar

            If we get Evans, I will buy his jersey even though I have a no rookie jersey policy but man if we get Evans DJAX will be such a distant memory, ODB I would love too but still have those thoughts about Jackson

          • EagleDuck

            I hate USC (HATE THEM), but Lee is as good as they get.

            2011 – Starting eight games, caught 73 passes for
            1,143 yards and 11 touchdowns, sharing the Pac-12′s Freshman Offensive POY with DAT.

            2012 – 118 receptions for 1,721 yards and 14 touchdowns, while doubling as the Trojans’ starting kickoff returner (28.5-yard avg.) Biletnikof Award Winner (Cooks won it 2013).

            2013 – I assume this is why people are not so high on him… 57 receptions for 791 yards, 4 TD (still nothing to sneeze at). However… he was playing through a knee injury, new QB, and no Woods playing opposite him.

            Thanks to a less than stellar 2013, he’ll be an absolute steal this year, hopefully he’ll slide to the 4th rnd.

          • oreofestar

            LOL at that last sentence Lee is still a first rounder and a high second at the WORST NO WAY he gets to the 4th round

          • oreofestar

            but hell I said Keenan Allen would not get out of round 2 and I was wrong, surprise me :P

          • EagleDuck

            You are correct. Last I checked (weeks ago) he had a 2nd to 3rd round position. So hoping he slides to the 4h in the deepest WR draft of all time was wishful but not insane… Now I see Kiper has the Chiefs taking him late in the 1st, so never mind… If we want him, we’d have to spend the 22 on him and I don’t see that happening (nor do I want to).

          • Richard Colton

            Wosh, 4th rounder? I’ll take him in the 2nd. Just don’t like him at 22. Good scouting report.

          • GEAGLE

            Trade 2015 picks for Evans…doubt we give up what few picks we have in this draft…not crazy about Lee either, and I’m expecting him to go to KC

        • EagleDuck

          Chip is an East Coast guy. I think it’s less of a ‘bias’ and more of a ‘sticking to your strengths’ scenario. He currently knows the Pac 12, so it is likely any tie breakers will fall that direction until his knowledge base dries up.
          If he takes Huff (who is really quite average) over any of the big non-Pac12 receivers, then I will stand corrected…
          M. Lee & B. Cooks are awesome no matter which conference they play in. Would love to see either of them suit up for Chip.

          • ODBorBustAllDay

            I’m not a Huff fan by any stretch. Just stating that his familiarity with the scheme, and Chip’s with him, make it a possibility.

          • oreofestar

            I agree if Huff is still there in the 5th or so rounds and he already grabbed Matthews, or Evans, or Adams or someone earlier I def. think he would think about it

        • GEAGLE

          We drafted Barkley and Ertz out of the PAC 12…where does this alleged Bias come from? Is it because he fills the camp bodies who won’t make the team with PAC 12 players? We spent a 2nd and a 4th on PAC players, Not enough intel to run with this bias talk

          • ODBorBustAllDay

            Throw in Poyer, 2 practice squadders and Maehle. It’s worth noting regardless. And my main point here is that at every turn, we think we know what he’s looking for, and we (fans, media, analysts) are constantly wrong. No one thought he’d persue Barkley. No one thought Foles would make the team. Many thought Byrd or Ward would interest him. Thought Cooper wouldn’t survive camp……the moral is we have no freaking clue what he plans on doing, and to assume its a no brainer we take a wideout at #22 is foolish.

    • Tom W

      And put me down for Brandon Cooks at 22. I think ODB is gone by then … probably by the jets (or less likely the steelers). Tough, Uber-fast, separation master, top end deep speed, shifty underneath route running, strong, great hands, leader, Pac-10. Brings everything djax did to the table w better route running and less baggage. More like steve smith to me.

      • ODBorBustAllDay

        Steve Smith is a good comp. I’m most impressed with his ability to break tackles and the way way he fights to get in the end zone. We still need to find out just how much Chip values size in his WRs tho. Of the guys he’s brought in, Benn, Brad Smith,6’2″each, and Maehl is 6′ even. Seems to suggest the big guys motto, but looking at past Oregon rosters there was a mix of sizes. May 8th can’t come soon enough. I’m so sick of speculating.

  • Stuart Philp

    “People probably – I think, and I don’t know the statistics if you break it down – may have played us in more man than most teams in the league.”

    Care to break it down for us Sheil?

    • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

      beat me to it (saw this before I posted same thing).

  • Token

    Kinda goes back to my comments in the previous article. One of the reasons they decided to move on from Jackson. If a good corner was playing tight man on him he was pretty much out for the game. May as well of been a healthy scratch. Good article.

    • brza

      So you expect Maclin or Cooper to do better in those matchups?

      There are way too many people who point out the fact that Desean got shutdown in a few games to prove their belief that he is easily replaceable or at least isn’t a top 10 WR in the league. But thats football. No WR is gaining 100 yards each week. There aren’t even WRs that gain 55 yards each week. Even Megatron was shutdown last year and held under 55 yards in 5 different games. Thats exactly the same amount of times Desean was held under 55 last season.

      People can spin it however they want, but there is no way cutting Jackson made the Eagles better talent-wise.

      • Philly0312

        I don’t think anyone has made the argument that the Eagles got better talent-wise with this cut. I think the real question is how much did it really hurt. Up for debate at that point.

      • Token

        Ive thought Jackson isnt as good as everyone believes for years. The guy simply gets shut down in most big games. Hes been terrible in playoff games. Hell, in his best year ever this year he was a non factor down the stretch. Go look at his last 6 games. You just cant have that out of your 10 million dollar WR. Sure its gonna happen sometimes, but with Jackson its been a trend for years.

        Most people forget that going into this season, even tho most people seem to hate him, Maclin outperformed or at least matched Jacksons production from 2009-2012. Hes just not as flashy. I have never believed Jackson is near irreplaceable. Its a myth.

        • Richard Colton

          Hope you’re right

          • Token

            Im actually more excited for the potential of the offense now. Of course some depends on what they can grab in the draft. Ugh, I dunno about this positivity crap.

          • Richard Colton

            Obviously somebody hacked Token’s account

          • LookinAtMyGucci

            It doesn’t suit you.

        • brza

          He’s terrible in big games is either an exaggeration or selective memory. I admit he’s had some poor performances. But again who doesn’t have some poor games in big situations? He had two big playoff performances his rookie year. And he’s had a bunch of huge performances in big division games late in the year. 210 yards vs. Dallas in a must win game just to name one. Even last year where he was “shutdown” he was only a shoestring tackle away from a 60 yard TD which would have completely changed how people regarded that performance.

          Down the stretch, the last 6 games of the season as you said it, he had a 10 catch 195 yard performance and a 59 yard 1 TD performance in the worst possible weather for a WR you can imagine. So non factor down the stretch is a bit overblown too.

          Maclin’s best season is 400 yards fewer than Jackson’s best season. Maclin’s average is 200 yards fewer than Jackson’s average and thats including Jackson’s season where he reportedly was “dogging it” and the year he only played 11 games.

          The report at Eagles Rewind http://eaglesrewind.com/2014/03/25/contextualizing-mr-jackson/ also shows that he has played up to his pay-grade throughout his career.

          I hope you’re right too, but just looking at the numbers there is no way to reasonably say he is an easily replaceable asset. The guy is way underrated in Philly.

          • Token

            He has 2 playoff TDs in 6 games. He did have a 195 yard game. Against the Vikings. The other 5 games down the stretch, counting the playoffs…… 205 yards and 1 TD.

            Underrated in Philly? Are you serious? 99% of people think hes the best WR in football around here.

          • jt521

            plus, under Kelly’s offense the following players all had career years: Jackson, Cooper, McCoy, and even Celek had his second most TD’s of his career. have some faith in the coach and offensive scheme. just like Calvin Johnson’s presence doesn’t guarantee the Lions to the playoffs, Djax’ absence doesn’t guarantee the Eagles offense will be ineffective.

          • greenblood0118

            So no big playoff games since his rookie year equals we’re wrong about his disappearances in playoff games? OK…

          • RIP illa

            What’s a “big playoff game” mean? That he has to go for more than 100 yards with a TD? Could have done it last year if Foles actually let go of the ball. Or could it be putting us in a position to win despite having “poor” numbers? GB 2010.

            You guys all focus on numbers and forget any and everything that actually has to do with the game itself. That’s somewhat cool for regular season stuff, but in the post season…numbers don’t matter as much. The game comes down to way more things than just did your QB throw for 300-400 yard, or whether your RB or WR got 100 yards.

          • Token

            Well youd hope for more than 300 yards and 2 tds in 6 tries in the playoffs. You wont win a argument based on numbers with DeSean. Because they arent pretty when you start digging into his numbers in 2nd half of seasons and numbers against top 10 Ds etc….

            So over the years people have had to resort to what you are doing, which is to try and quantify his worth in ways that cant be measured. Its a extravagant myth made up to try and justify worth that isnt really there. But if he isnt performing in the playoffs, while also not opening things up for others to perform well then what does that leave you with?

          • RIP illa

            Sure, why not. Does he get phased out in some games, Playoffs or not. Absolutely. Everybody WR does…even the great Calvin Johnson. So I didn’t mean to leave that fact out. But you guys are so full of shit, with your black and white so called analysis.

            DJax is not the greatest WR in the history of the league! He was just a really good WR that was homegrown. And the best homegrown WR we had since Carter! People, you very much included, try and downplay him and make it seem as if he wasn’t shit. That’s all you do, period. And It’s so F’n tiring and stupid. If you can’t even accept that playoffs are a different animal than the regular season and should be, or are judged differently then I can’t help you, nor account for your lack of football IQ. Once again, yes DJax has not been a world beater in every big game that he has played in.

            “You wont win a argument based on numbers with DeSean.”

            All I do is laugh at this. I would never argue the quality of any football player based on numbers alone. It’s probably the one of the most stupid and moronic things to do…Especially in the game of football!!! If you want a pure stat driven or number driven way to quantify someone in a sport, then I suggest baseball…Cuz it does not work in football, unless you wanna look like a complete jackass in every discussion about any player and/or team! So anybody who is looks beyond the numbers is putting together an “extravagant myth”??? SMH!

            But yet, DJax does have a habit of having low numbers in playoff games. This happened in 09, where Maclin went off and put up some big numbers with a whole lot of targets…I’m sure the coverage on DJax had nothing to do with that, it was all coincidence.

            In 10 when he put up low numbers against GB. He did nothing that game and sucked…except it was his short catch and run afterwards that actually put us in a position to be able to attempt to take the lead. But he didn’t have over 100 yards so who cares. Oh and Mac went put up some good numbers again and had more targets…I’m sure that’s just coincidence again!!!

            How about last year. He was ‘Shutdown by Keenan Lewis…Derp Derp Derp’! Let’s disregard how it was his jump and catch, on a poorly thrown ball by Foles, that started our comeback. Let’s disregard that All-22 shows at least 4 plays where he was wide open and Foles held on to the ball and did not get it to him. And another play where Foles threw, what could have been a TD, it late to him. Plus there might have been a overthrow on another deep pass, but I’m not completely sure. So that’s 5 plays right there and if Foles had thrown the ball and let’s just say DJax just caught 1/2 of them…my “extravagant myth” would have put down yours, cuz Djax would have had 4-6 catches with close to 100 or more yards.

            I don’t and never had needed any one player to put up big numbers in the post season. Kinda like how people don’t put any pressure on Foles for the Saints loss, cuz he brought us back, and focus more on the where, when, and how.

          • Token

            Yea the playoff are a different animal. Its where you need to expect more out of your “stud” players not less. What a moronic argument this is.

            We can can keep writing 1000 word replies back and forth but why bother. You are in the school of thought on DeSean that wont listen to reason. Since numbers cant win the argument you have to resort to unquantifiable things. A typical DeSean apologist.

            I do have to ask again. Since you are of the thought that numbers dont matter. Your theory is that just because he didnt do anything numbers wise in the playoffs that doesnt mean he didnt have a impact.

            Well, then why are the Eagles 2-4 in playoff games hes played in? Going by your theory he got shut down because he was drawing all this attention opening up the whole field for everyone else. Yet, still they only win 2 games. And those were in his rookie year.

            BTW, why keep bringing up Calvin? Hes only been to the playoffs one time with that squad. And he had 12 catches for 211 and 2 TDs. Half of his games last year were 100 yards or better.

            We get it, all WRs will have bad games. The goal is for that not to become a trend. I dont know many 10 million $ WRs that get shut down as frequently as Jackson has over the years.

          • RIP illa

            Dude you’re just an idiot when it comes to football, and this has been proven more than a little bit, by numerous of posters here amongst various topics. FACT!

            I Won’t listen to reason…You had none other than DJax, disappeared cuz he didn’t put up big numbers. That’s not reason kid…It’s an assertion (and a ignorant one at that) based strictly off of a stat line. Oh and now, why were we only 2-4 with him. That’s really kinda the dumbest thinking and just furthers the point of your ignorance about the game. If you gave me a reason that didn’t involve your persistent negative bias against all and everything Eagles and more than a utterly retarded penchant for spitting out numbers as you basis, then I could be swayed.

            It’s purely simple and should be even for the likes of you…YOU CANNOT SIMPLY JUDGE THE IMPACT OR PERFORMANCE OF A FOOTBALL TEAM OR FOOTBALL PLAYER OFF STATS ALONE!!! NOONE BUT IDIOTS DO THIS!!!

            Reading comprehension would or should have addressed any other issues you have.

          • Token

            Aww, now we are at the point where im called a kid. Cute. Maybe with your teachings I will someday get a grasp of this game. Please send that post over to Chip. That guy just doesnt get what a huge impact DeSean Jackson has.

            Just so I can get your opinion… Do you expect the Eagles offense to be much worse without Jackson? If the Eagles come out and still have a great offense this year what will be the excuse for that?

          • RIP illa

            You mean Vick fanatic as in saying that he should start over Foles, but will get hurt and Foles will get his time in the spot light, yet I still think the Eagles are going to need to Draft a their QB of the future this year. But I’m thankful that Foles stepped up and proves in 11 games that we can move ahead with him as the starter for now, so we don’t have to waste a spend a pick on a QB so we can concentrate on other needs like defense…that kinda Vick Fantatic??? You F’n idiot!

            And I never said, nor was it my intention to make DJax as some “huge impact” or unstoppable force, or greatest WR! Just to dispel the simplistic and retardedness of, ‘he disappears in big games or playoff games’. I already addressed this…what do you not understand???

            Plus I’ve already stated, on several different threads, that the question (for me at least) isn’t one of how good will this offense be with out DJax, but rather how good it could have been with him in addition to getting Sproles, having Maclin back, a probably a drafted WR. But since you have trouble keeping up and understanding…I think our O will/should still be very good and potent, if not better than last years, based on coaching, fimiliarity, a healthy Maclin, and by committee!

            SMH!

          • skayne

            You just don’t understand football, which is why you only pay attention to numbers, instead of recognizing that numbers are part of the evaluation, not the whole evaluation. Which is why no coach or player, after a game, say they need to look at the boxscore. They say they need to see the film, because the film tells how a player really played.

            This post shows how often DJax was open in the Sain. game…http://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2014/1/7/5284838/saturday-night-foles

            A receiver could be open all night, and not get the ball because of a bunch of different factors that he can’t be faulted for.

            Players like DJax and Lesean force the defense to account for them. Nobody else commands that attention in this offense.

          • RIP illa

            Nope…I’m not listening. (Puts on blindfold and fingers in ears) La, La, La… DJax sux and disappears and Keenan Lewis owns him! La, La, La…

            SMH!!!

          • Token

            Yea, Im still trying to wrap my head around this game.

            Quick question tho…. So you are saying on film Jackson truly shines. You just cant look at production or points. Because now I realize that stuff doesnt matter.

            So if his film is so good, and hes making the offense just flow sooo smoothly. Why was he cut? Why did the coach not see what you are seeing?

            The “numbers dont matter” guys are usually the ones making a ridiculous case.

          • skayne

            Where in my post does it say numbers don’t matter? I said it’s only part of the evaluation. You really can’t reason out why your argument is the ridiculous one can you?

            If Desean does his job- run the right route, and get open, yet he doesn’t get the ball, whose fault do you think that It’s either the fault of the protection or the Qbs fault, or someone who’s before him in the progression was targeted. So when Desean blows by his man as it shows on the all-22, was he supposed to throw it to himself?

            As I said, no player is evaluated based on his numbers alone. That should be common sense to you. By your logic, Shady’s sub-par numbers in that game means he isn’t that important either.

            In response to why the Eagles cut him, nowhere do they say it’s about his play on the field. Only you are pushing that meme.

          • RIP illa

            Welcome to trying to have a discussion or argument with Token. He’ll strawman you, try to twist and/or take your words out of context, change the argument(s), or just flat out ignore any and everything he can’t understand or agree with. You have just now been inducted!

          • Honest_T

            I forget where it was published (here on at igglesblitz) but DJax’s playoff stats were about equal to Avant’s, and he only had 1 TD.

          • TripSquadMonopoly

            Saw that report you posted real interesting. I think a contributing factor also was Djac in the redzone. Chip Kelly wont accept a WR that cant be a serious redzone threat. Even Riley is limited

        • Yes_General

          I never thought i would see the day when Eagles fans would finally agree that yes numbers are important but showing up late in the season should matter more. Beating man coverage is huge for us. Beating double coverage is huge for us. Hell having more than 3 catches versus the Saints would of been huge for us. I wasnt really a Desean fan the moment i realized he was too small to catch a back shoulder pass.

    • Tom W

      The prophet returns … still dunno how you called this whole thing over months ago before anyone

  • Johnny_P

    Cooper will come back to earth this season without Djax. Nobody respects Cooper, the guy gets no separation without a stud WR lining up on the other side. I laugh at people that think Cooper is a legit starting WR, he is nothing more than a #3 on an average NFL roster. Maclin does not have the shiftiness and acceleration that Djax has. I’m still waiting to hear if Desean Jackson is going to be arrested. I am waiting for some big news which would justify cutting him, so far just crickets.

    • Tom W

      Attitude, character, work ethic, giant cap number, arguing w wr coach, not speaking to wr coach, blowing off positional meetings, blowing off exit interview w head coach, refusing to adhere to offseason workout regime, disappearing in red zone, disappearing against elite man coverage corners, pouting if he didn’t get the ball, refusing to move on from fake ass wannabe personna of a gangbanger in the hopes of keeping street credibility to sell more records, refusal to grow up as a 7 year vet and move on from distractions. Cut had nothing to do w the gang article tired of this tired argument. It destroyed the trade market that much is apparent. Guy doesn’t need to commit a crime, let alone do anything illegal, to get cut from a team. ask randy moss, ask darrel revis, ask chris johnson, ask deqwell jackson, miles austin, ask santonio holmes. Don’t need big news to justify cut. jackass, plus cap hit, plus no trade market equals cut.

      Beyond that, his best numbers came w vick as opposed to foles (although still good) and fell off of a cliff at the end of the year into the playoffs.

      Cooper will be fine. With foles all year he wouldve went over 1000 yds. he doesn’t need elite separation to be a factor because of his size and leaping ability and ability to go get the ball. he also is a great blocker. Adequate wr 2-3 in this offense not predicated on passing 45 times a game like a west offense or fat andy’s offense. W mccoy drawing 7-8 in the box, and maclin, ertz, sproles getting increased attention, cooper and the rookie wr should have a field day against man coverage. Its about the system and spacing … the offense creates mismatches, not the players.

      • mike

        EXCELLENT….great insight and right on the money.
        This is best post I have seen on this site.

      • EagleDuck

        Daaaaaaaaaaaang… That was pretty well said.

      • Johnny_P

        I respect your point, but let me ask you this: Vick came back into the league after dog fighting (hate using this example, b/c it’s so overused), Leonard Little and Donte Stallworth killed people and remained in the league, Ray Lewis killed someone, Pacman Jones made it rain at a strip club……even Aaron Hernandez stayed on the Patriots payroll while he was involved in multiple assaults and murder – my point is, all of these guys remained on their respective rosters while their shenanigans were going on. Why release Djax if he is not going to jail? Kelly has to learn that coaching in the NFL is not coaching in the NCAA. Not everybody that has tons of money is an angel or of high moral fiber/character. You had to also ADAPT to the league and the nature of the beast.

        • Token

          We must get past this reasoning. Jackson didnt get released because of gang stuff or whatever. Im sure that was the last straw. But he was let go for football reasons. All that gang stuff is mostly media fodder. Chip didnt like the fit on the football team. That in addition to being a kid who never grew up ended up being enough to get him booted out.

          • Johnny_P

            Hard for me to get past this reasoning when he was the teams best WR. Hard for me to wrap my head around it. Not everybody on your 53 man roster is going to be ‘clean’. That’s part of coaching in the NFL, you come to expect you will have at least 1-2 knuckleheads on your team. You don’t just arbitrarily throw talent away

          • Token

            If Jackson was the supreme talent that makes it all work like you think he is, then he would likely still be on the team. Chip just doesnt like him on the field, then you factor in everything else and thats why hes gone.

          • Jerry Pomroy

            I’d say that Shady is the supreme talent on this team and as far as Johnny’s knuckleheads, you can count Shady in that too. He’s just not the knucklehead that is detrimental to the team.

            If anyone wants to argue regarding Shady being supreme talent… Tell me who else on team can singlehandedly win games? Snow bowl 2014 anyone?

          • RIP illa

            Did you mean 2013? If so, you shouldn’t bring that up around Token. He wrote off the whole team early in the 1st 1/2, saying that we would lose that game and no way would comeback. Even though we were down by a touchdown at the time. But yeah…he knows and understands football!!

          • brian

            boom u nailed it

        • GEAGLE

          how gullible are you? Do you honestly believe that if Jaccson called Howie and said look I’ll restructure and take a pay cut, that he wouldn’t be an eagle right now? Come on man, don’t let them piss in your ear and tell you it’s raining…
          ..
          For those that actually believe we cut him over this gangbanging crap, have I told Yous about my fountain of youth? 5bucks a glass

          Bet you will never hear a single word from the eagles about Deseans gangster affiliations…
          ..
          It’s simple, if we are going to overlook Deseans limitations and continue to pay him as an elite WR, then he should be the best teammate since Avant, he isn’t so we used that silly story as cover to do what we wanted to do this entire time, get Desean out of the locker room, and his 30million off our books

        • guest

          First of all, Donte Stallworth never had a full time gig after prison. There was never any question about Ray Lewis’ leadership, work ethic, relationship with players/coaches, etc. Pacman is on his 3rd (4th?) team. He was out of the league for a year. Aaron Hernandez was released right BEFORE he was indicted. As soon as the Pats realized it was serious, he was gone.

          But like Token said…DeSean was not released because of criminal activity. DeSean was released for a laundry list of reasons. Reasons which have gotten many players cut before him and will get many players cut after him.

          You’re really taking an ignorant, immature and naive stance about this.

      • Joe from Easton

        I’d upvote this 1,000 times if I could.

      • brian

        Thank you Tom W….ppl need to calm down we will be just fine on offense…Coach Kelly will find a way

    • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

      Maclin lacking in shiftiness in acceleration (or at least compared to Desean) makes him no less effective as a pro.
      If you’re waiting for that news from the FO, don’t hold your breath. They have made it pretty clear it is not to be discussed, especially while he is still a FA

      • Ark87

        I think the idea that Jackson is particularly shifty or elite acceleration is misguided anyway. Tommy Lawlor and Jimmy Kempski had a great discussion on this years ago. It’s almost like Jackson is on those special speed stilts, it can look pretty mushy when he is dancing and looking for a direction to run (you especially see this in punt returns) but once he gets going, incredible straight line speed.

        I say with jackson:
        Speed: Elite
        Acceleration: Solid/good
        Shiftiness (the ability to plant a foot and explode into a different direction): Below Average (for a smaller WR)
        This is expressed mostly in his route tree. His specialty routes are pretty linear, go routes, posts, corners, slants, crossing routes, etc. Outs, ins, double moves, curls, and comebacks aren’t really his thing.

        A classic comparison for contrast is Shady:
        Speed: Average
        Acceleration: Elite
        Shiftiness: Beyond Elite, only a few athletes that have played the game can match him. And all of them are much smaller.

        For reference sake, while Jimmy and Tommy generally agreed on the premise, the argument was that Tommy was so bold as to say Jason Avant had better Shiftiness (again this was like around 2011) than Desean Jackson, which is part of the reason he was such a great route runner. They had to agree to disagree.

        As for Maclin, he’s a really nice and balanced WR. Before the mysterious illness and the pulled muscle to his core in 2012. I’d definitely give Mac the edge in shiftiness and a slight edge in acceleration. Solid size and pretty good speed, he has nice potential, but I don’t know if he will achieve it now with his injury. 2010 against the Falcons is a great game to rewatch if you can to see Mac’s potential in action.

        • Jerry Pomroy

          Yeah, I guess that Maclin illness is still a mystery that’s never been solved publicly. Has anyone ever heard what that was about?

          • Ark87

            I have a co-worker that had the exact same thing happen to them when they were in college. Hit them like mono. Knocked them on their ass. Go to the doc, they do some tests. Hey you have leukemia! (I guess spots show up on your lymph nodes in an x-ray or something). So a few weeks later they do a follow-up, the apparent cancer is gone! “Huh, chalk it up to a virus I guess!”

            Anyway it took them a year or so to get right. Now this person wasn’t an athlete and didn’t do any PT, so….still. Wtf doctors???

    • Philly0312

      Johnny, I get your general point, but it’s not exactly correct. If a defense lines up in cover 1 like usual, and continues to give respect to our ground game, then defenses will have the same decision they had last year: shade to cooper or shade to the other outside WR. Losing DJax will likely have little impact on Coopers numbers; losing Foles and/or McCoy will have a huge impact. DJs ability to get deep did more to free him up in the short passing game than it did to free up Cooper in the deep passing game. I think the correct question is whether or not Maclin can duplicate DJs production. I don’t know if he will have 1300 and 9 TDs, but 1100 and 7 wouldn’t surprise me – if he is healthy and plays 16 (we know he doesn’t often play 16, of course)

      • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

        More importantly, Avant (and lack of other skilled WR3) last year led to more 2TE sets. Sproles in the slot (and new rookie toy), plus the development and growth we saw from Ertz last year, now leaves us deeper at skill positions and able to present more sub packages/personnel groupings. Depth at WR limited our ability last year.

      • Eagles1018

        I’m just saying……

        • IrishEagle25

          Jackson got more chunk plays of the 2, but i think Maclin was more consistant, and i think chip values that coming from the ‘if you run a fast 40 and play slow i cant trust you’ comment last year… That was slightly paraphrased lol

      • ODBorBustAllDay

        I wouldn’t hold my breath for Maclin to have a huge year. He’ll contribute I’m sure, but let’s remember he never topped 1,000yds in Reids offense which was a hell of a lot more pass oriented than Chip’s.

        • jt521

          but Chippah’s offense created banner years for McCoy, Jackson, and Cooper. if Maclin stays injury free he’ll have a terrific year.

          • ODBorBustAllDay

            Hopefully? I’ll admit. I just don’t like the kid. He gets a free ride. For a 1st round pick, I think he’s been a huge disappointment.

        • Jerry Pomroy

          Reid’s offense was stagnant by that point though.

          • RIP illa

            By what point, when Mac came into the league, or his 2nd or 3rd season? 2011 the O was stagnant. Our D blew that year for us, along with Vick’s TOs, but our O was still clicking…weirdly.

            I think Mac can and will have a breakout year this year, if he stays healthy. Or at least I hope. But that doesn’t do hardly anything for me. 1 outta 5 ain’t good enough.

        • Philly0312

          What? No.

          First, yes Chips offense gains more rushing yards. That said, Chips offense also set the Eagles all time record for passing yards in a season in 2013. Less pass oriented or not, they passed for more yards.

          Second, in 2011 and 2012, Maclin would have eclipsed 1000 yards if not for injuries; he missed 3 games in 2011, and missed 1 game and parts of others in 2012. So, if he plays 16 this year, I will be amazed if he doesn’t break 1100 (unless he never recovers from the knee injury, never know).

    • Eagles1018

      Don’t hold your breath bro…..

    • dnabrice

      He used to have the same shiftiness; we’ll see where his knee is with that. Agree with you about the acceleration though. You can probably count on one hand the NFLers that have his acceleration. If you watch his games as soon as a defender is close to him he’s getting down.

      • Token

        I dont know that id ever call Jackson shifty. He has outstanding acceleration and speed. Shady is the definition of shifty.

      • Johnny_P

        People talk about the speed of a Lamichael James in College or DAT, and those guys get into the NFL are just tucked away on depth charts in large part b/c they can’t adapt to pro game. Djax is that Lamichael James type speed guy, but he actually panned out in the NFL. You don’t just throw those guys away with the trash…..

        • Ascher Levy

          He threw his own career away by acting like a selfish child rather than a professional. It’s a tragedy really. Kelly asked players to buy into his system and most did with astounding success in the first year. Letting Jackson go is a big statement to the rest of the team and rookies and hopefully will lead to further success.

    • jt521

      i’m not going to pretend like Cooper is Jimmy Graham or that he’s a better fit in this offense than Jax, but to say he’s a guy that get’s no separation without a stud WR isn’t necessarily accurate. that “stud” receiver lined up with Cooper for the 2010, 2011 & 2012 season but Cooper emerged this year. And he emerged because the coach installed a new offense and the qb absorbed the playbook and actually looked in his direction rather than playing hero ball. and with Foles’ tendency to under throw or chuck up a prayer, Cooper gets to play to his strength—size and ability to fight for the ball.

      • Johnny_P

        Remember in 2010 – 2011 – and 2012 the Eagles were working with marginal offensive lineman, an injury prone QB, and oh by the way Riley Cooper hardly saw the field. He was tucked in the depth chart.

        • jt521

          i hear ya but it’s not coincidence that a new coach, a new qb, and a new up-tempo spread offense are installed and all of a sudden you have multiple players perform at their best. that nods toward scheme rather than Jackson’s impact. i can’t say it strongly enough, i would have kept him or traded him, but now that he’s gone we don’t have to pretend like the sky is falling. Name the elite burner WR on the Saints, Seahawks (Harvin was injured all season), Patriots, etc.

          • Johnny_P

            I will agree with you not having to pretend the sky is falling. You ask me to name elite burners on these superbowl winning teams, but Drew Brees is Drew Brees & Tom Brady, are active Hall of Fame QBs, and Russell Wilson is a VERY good qb with Skittles and the Legion of Boom, Foles is not Rusell Wilson (yet)….

  • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

    People probably – I think, and I don’t know the statistics if you break it down – may have played us in more man than most teams in the league.

    anyone know a site (PFF?) that charts this?

  • GEAGLE

    Sheil I wish you would have included Chips quote where he gives his definition of Elite NFL WR in this article, it came like 3 sentences after the defenses will play us in man quote

    • oreofestar

      This counts :)

  • IrishEagle25

    I get that some people think Coop wont do anything without Jackson there but maybe it wont make a difference if he is not running the same routes.. I cant remember where it was said but someone pointed out that no reciever (other than calvin Johnson on the goal lime) is covered by 2 CB’s, and When it is a cb and a safety, the safety doesnt come into play until the reciever goes to a certain depth. So if you combine that with the option routes chip wants to run i think coop could still have a good year, and that route running and quick cuts could be the most important thing for chips recievers.

    • Jerry Pomroy

      That was Maclin that said that.

      • IrishEagle25

        Good man

  • Token

    On a side note, I do feel this would be a good time for Foles to get back to Philly and start working out at the complex with some of the other guys.

    • oreofestar

      Yeah get some nice chemistry going(not that he does not have any) with Coop, Mac, Sproles, Zach and some of the guys so it is really ony Cooks, ODB, Matthews or whoever we draft that is not 100% accustomed

      • Token

        maybe im making too much of it. I just think he should be there.

        • oreofestar

          I agree I definitely think he should at least do what Peyton last year with Deck, Thomas and Welker I think Foles needs to come to Philly and do some private throwing with Mac, Coop and Zach

        • RIP illa

          A little bit, but he should be getting together with his receivers soon. Doesn’t have to be in Philly. Very few guys train where they play.

          EDIT: I should say not all, rather than very few.

          • oreofestar

            I actually think he should find them and wherever it is in the next couple weeks he should meet with them and throw with Mac and Coop and Ertz

          • Jerry Pomroy

            You keep forgetting Sproles. If anyone, that’s the guy he needs to start getting familiar with as he’s never even tossed him a towel or water bottle on the sideline.

          • RIP illa

            Maybe. I don’t think I can recall of ever hearing reports of recievers and QBs getting together this early in the year. Usually happens later after the draft and in the early months of summer. Or so I think…

          • oreofestar

            nah Peyton did it last year with some guys

          • RIP illa

            This early?

          • oreofestar

            Like before OTAs around this time

          • Token

            I just would like him to be a presence at the facility. Dont a number of guys work out there in the offseason? I get taking a few months to cool out in Arizona. But, I think its about time to get back to work. If you are working out anyway, may as well be with some teammates.

          • oreofestar

            Yeah Kelce and a few guys are there I believe

          • Jerry Pomroy

            I think those guys make their homes in the areaarea though. Not just to be there working out.

            Dang new Google keyboard. I love it’s use but it often replicates words as if I’m stuttering.

          • oreofestar

            Yeah yeah I know

          • Jerry Pomroy

            He’s been working on improving his 40 time…lol.

          • anon

            Wilson flew all his guys out to cali. I’m sure theyd like to be in az right now.

      • Jerry Pomroy

        I think getting some time with Mac & Sproles would benefit. Yes, he’s played with Mac, but not really in this offensive scheme. Not at all with Sproles. That one to me, is the key guy I’d like to see him get some familiarity with before TC.

    • anon

      Offense needs a leader

      • RIP illa

        I wonder how he’ll do in that role this year…probably fine, I’m sure. But he is it by default now that Vick and Avant are gone. Time to step up.

  • mtn_green

    Curious, are there any other wannabe gangbangers on eagles?

    • Richard Colton

      according to bleacher report:

      Maclin – one year association w/ Crips, Club option for Bloods
      Mark Sanchez – Latin Kings
      Jason Kelce – Scandinavian Assassins
      Toddfather Herremans – Genco Olive Oil LLC.
      Nick Foles – MS13
      Shady McCoy – Wu Tang Clan

      • oreofestar

        Riley – KKK

        • Richard Colton

          awww, come on. mine was tongue in cheek.

          • oreofestar

            You know I was messing :P

          • ODBorBustAllDay

            His was foot in mouth

        • RIP illa

          That was a good one.

        • Jerry Pomroy

          Well with that hair, I don’t think Arian Nation is fitting. But it is 2014…lol.

      • mtn_green

        Hilarious. Eagles are pretty clean cut normal lunch pail guys. Shady has his bus. Jason peters his cars. Heremans his van. Foles his xbox ones.

  • oreofestar

    Man if we want a big guy like everyone assumes then chance are we ain’t getting it round 1 because Mike Evans is out of reach and we lack picks to move up, KB is meh to me and thankfully he could be gone with his awful hands, but A-Rob and Matthews will probably not get to pick 54, Devante is a maybe and Moncrief is not a sure bet to be there at 54 either my though is we likely take a smaller guy like OBJ or Cooks and then we take a bigger guy later maybe Richardson if he fell to pick 3 or maybe Moncrief stll or Coleman, or Lattimore

    • Token

      They may just wait til the 2nd. Of course, I think theres a chance Evans falls a bit. Can happen with WRs.

      If they have a shot at a pass rusher I think they gotta go that route in round 1. You could still probably get a nice big WR in round 2. Pass rusher after round 1 im not quite as high on. I think they are in shorter supply.

      • oreofestar

        My thought is who is going to be the best rusher at 22 probably Ford, No thanks, I would rather get my wideout round one because of guys like KVN, Marcus Smith, J. Attu. and others I think that is where the value is and the second round will have a run on wrs

        • Token

          Yea that just comes down to their opinion. Personally I think Ford is a better prospect than anyone of those guys you named as a pass rusher. Id be watching Barr closely. I know they dont have much trade ammo, but if hes gets past like 15…..I dunno. Id really have to think about trading up.

          • oreofestar

            Ford is in my opinion a slightly better prospect than those guys but a worse fit and I would rather have lets say ODB and Smith than Ford and hoping a wideout falls lets say Adams is there which I would not count on I would still prefer the first combo but it is not about me it depends on their preference

      • Uncle Wonder

        Cutting DJax makes me fearful they use tht as an excuse to go WR in Rd1…i will be upset if they pass on quality OLBs to do that

        • Jerry Pomroy

          If it’s between KB & Ford, I’m going KB all the way. I’ve got more questions on Ford playing ROLB, than KB developing into a quality NFL WR.

          • Token

            Im staying away from WRs without natural hands in the 1st round. Just doesnt make much sense to me.

          • Jerry Pomroy

            I’m not big on KB, I’m actually way down on Ford.

          • ODBorBustAllDay

            IDK man. I think people are enamored with Benjamins size, but his hand are terrible. Allen Robinson is basically the same player, only 2 inches shorter. He goes up for the ball aggressively and comes down with. Runs great routes, has great hands. They both ran 4.6. I’d look for him in the 2nd before I spend #22 on Benjamin.

    • LookinAtMyGucci

      KB’s hands aren’t awful. Could they use work? Yes, but you don’t catch clutch TDs with awful hands.

      • oreofestar

        Ok but KB is a huge work in progress who I do no think can produce much year one and he has bust written all over him but he does have a high ceiling you can’t teach 6’5 240 with 4’6 speed

        • LookinAtMyGucci

          I wouldn’t say a huge work in progress. Either way, we need more picks and if we can trade down 5 spots and pick up a 3rd and nab him that’s a winner in my book.

      • Jerry Pomroy

        I see him more as a #2 guy though with his lack of speed for the QBs strong side of field.

        • LookinAtMyGucci

          Maybe. Maybe not. Depends on work ethic. Give him a Juggs machine and see what happens, I say. Either way, a lineup of Maclin, KB, Ertz, Sproles and Shady is pretty formidable. And if you really want to screw with DCs, sub Cooper for Sproles or Maclin. So many packaged plays in that lineup.

          • Jerry Pomroy

            Hahaha…I was just gonna ask an open question of who’ll be the candidate spending the most time with the jugs machine this summer?

            I guess with that combination of guys, we could find something that works. I mean KB isn’t necessarily slow, he just kind of lacks burst for creating separation. But then again, I think Kelly wants big guys that can get off the line and fight for balls in air on outside, then sprinkle in his little toys inside and underneath.

          • LookinAtMyGucci

            “Lacking burst” isn’t necessarily accurate. Just doesn’t have top end speed. Many scouting reports say he’s a better athlete than Evans, with more natural quickness. He’s a bit of a project, yeah, but he’s not so much of a project that he can’t play day 1.

          • Jerry Pomroy

            Point blank… I want a big bruising receiver that can run. I don’t need top end speed sub- 4.5, but I don’t want a lug either. Hell if Barr falls low enough, I’m all over that & looking maybe at an Allen Robinson [type].

          • LookinAtMyGucci

            Don’t know that Robinson is bruising people, but I get where you’re going.

    • GEAGLE

      You are assuming that the mock community really knows exactly where these prospects are slated to be drafted….not a single one of them knew Sharrif Flyod wasn’t going top 10, and that the raiders would consider slay that high…it’s not crazy to think a guy that the mock community sees going between 35-45, ends up going 20-28…..
      ..
      Wouldn’t be surprised to see a guy like Jordan Mathews,A Rob,Devante or Moncreif go much higher then the masses seem to think

  • oreofestar

    Prediction – Maclin has 76 catches for 1140 yards and 9 TDs and ODB has 49 catched 835 yards and 6TDs and people realize finally that Jacskson(my man ;’() is not irreplaceable

    • Jerry Pomroy

      Sounds replaced to me production-wise with those numbers. Maclin is only off by like 200yds & you haven’t even considered Coop, Sproles & Ertz (who should improve over rookie campaign).

      • oreofestar

        Exactly just those 2 alone more than take care of Desean production and then Coop, Sproles and Ertz should help to I expect 2000 yards between those 3, we will replace him by committee

        • aub32

          How is it making up for him. He could have been here with him. He could have put up 1400 and 10TDs next to Mac 1100 9TDs. That’s much better than what you would have with ODB

          • Maggie

            It’s done. The past cannot be changed. Now you’re arguing for the sake of arguing. Move on, man.

          • oreofestar

            ODB will be eased in, less targets than Coop but sophmore season he destroys for over 1000

  • Honest_T

    Just to put things in perspective,

    Keyshawn Johnson played for 4 teams, TO played for 5, Randy Moss played on 3 teams, Brandon Marshall is on his 3rd team.

    Those are some damn good receivers, who were sent packing by multiple teams, and have never won a Super Bowl (though TOs lack of a ring is more the fault of #5).

    I don’t love the move, but I don’t think it’s the end of the world either.

    • ODBorBustAllDay

      Keyshawn has a ring. The same ring as Joe Jurevicious and Ronde Barber. Moss played in 2 T.O. in one. And Marshall, despite his troubles early on (including throwing his fiancé through a glass door if I recall) was traded twice, once for a pair of deuces to Miami, and a pair of three’s to the Bears… which is my big problem. Forget Jackson’s production, we’ll replace that. It’s how do you let him go for nothing? Understanding that this is a great draft and teams are holding tight to their picks, get a pick in 2015,2016, GET SOMETHING! I guess the money recouped was good enough for them. I disagree tho.

    • Maggie

      TO’s lack of a ring is not more the fault of #5. The TEAM lost, with the crap playcalling from the sideline being a major factor.

  • Neanderthal

    My mock draft though I doubt we will just stay where we are and draft 6 players
    22 OLB DEE FORD AUBURN
    54 WR KELVIN BENJAMIN FLORIDA STATE
    86 CB LOUCHEIZ PURIFOY FLORIDA
    122 WR JOSH HUFF OREGON
    162 S VINNIE SUNSERIALABAMA
    237 G RYAN GROYWISCONSIN

    • Richard Colton

      Would you be willing to trade your 4th round pick in order to move up the required number of spots to draft KB in round #2?

      • Neanderthal

        Not sure. I think Huff could be a Welker type . Also think we need more picks not less

        • Richard Colton

          Yeah. I mean, anything is possible. I just don’t see how KB falls past 40-45. IMO, he’s got a better chance of going top 32 than falling to the back end of round 2. Say he’s not there, and the top of your board is:

          OLB/ILB KVN
          OT Morgan Moses
          WRs Moncreif & Allen Robinson
          SS Buchanan

          All there – who you taking?

          • ODBorBustAllDay

            Buchanan or ARob

          • oreofestar

            If I took Ford first am taking A-Rob

          • Neanderthal

            Wow. Good mix. probably KVN. Like him alot. reminds me of Barwin. Moncrief is interesting, but might be able to get him in 3rd.

          • Jerry Pomroy

            I got Moncrief or Robinson. I can get an ILB/S/OL in later rds. With less picks, I want guys that’ll play this year out of my first 2 picks. That’s why I’m not going MM.

      • LookinAtMyGucci

        Rather trade down 5-8 spots hoping I can still nab him while picking up an extra pick. However, I don’t think he drops as people are thinking he might.

    • EaglesFanInPhx

      The caps makes this believable.

      • Neanderthal

        Ha. Sorry cut and paste from draft simulator. Trying to sound like Kiper yelling out names.

  • GEAGLE

    Don’t sleep on A-Rob, one of the best prospects at beating man press, and as good at coming down with a jump ball as we could ever hope for….big, strong, can leap and likes to play physical

    • oreofestar

      I like A-Rob, but I love Mathews way more if Chip is in love with t hose guys he will probably trade down get them at the bottom of the first or top of second and get more picks if he wants to trade up and down and get Bucannon and Matthews I got no problem

  • Tom W

    Hope we can trade down and recoup what we should’ve gotten for desean before the trade market all but died. like a third and 6th.

    Personally I’d rather trade down from 22 than stand at 22 because there is no one projected at 22 that is so much better than anyone else or uber elite athlete w upside than we can’t afford to pass on. evans, barr, ebron aside I think its in our best interest to trade down and draft more players so our percentages of hitting on starters is raised.

    BTW — walter football indicating we are VERY INTERESTED in Brandon Cooks versus just an interview or meeting.

    • Jerry Pomroy

      That’s mainly because of Kelly’s ties to Oregon State, PAC12 & b/c Cooks is a guy that was used all over & has speed.

      • cliff henny

        well, Maquis Lee in 2 games against Chip 20/350/3. tellin ya guys, been at this way too long, I got a feeling about this guy

        • Jerry Pomroy

          I don’t see it. Where are you taking him? I just don’t see him as a 1st rd guy.

          I don’t want Cooks by the way. I want BIG.

          • cliff henny

            Lee is going top 25. I don’t want him, I don’t even like USC guys in the city of Philly, but Lee can play. ’13 tapes are a waste, look at ’11 and ’12, when the guy was running up and down the field, particularly against Chippah.

  • oreofestar

    Round 1 targets – Odell Beckham Jr., Brandin Cooks, Dee Ford, Kony Ealy, Calvin Pryor, C.J.Mosley, Zack Martin Round 2 targets Jordan Matthews, Alllen Robinson, Donte Moncrief, Davante Adams, Marcus Smith, Deonne Bucannon, KVN, Jeremiah Att., basically a mix and match here lots of possibilities just in the first 2 rounds

  • Dilwala_G

    I am so curious to know what damage Kelly thought Jackson (or the hoopla around him) would do for the offseason training program starting in April – doesn’t it seem silly to release him before the draft and telegraph to the league the hole you have now at WR? It really bugs me that they opened up more holes that need to be filled – hate the temptation they will have to get away from the Best Player Available philosophy in the draft. But then again, hate the release all together. Best case – have to hope and assume that this was bubbling all year and was a big distraction for the team – but the results last year just do not show it. Maybe they thought that was ONLY because of Vick and Avant being there. I dunno. It feels like an old story – a coach with hubris – let’s hope its not

  • John J. King

    There’s not much sense to keep on and on about what DJax was or wasn’t. He’s not here anymore. Get over it.

  • aub32

    This notion that Jackson’s production will be replaced is so dumb. He was on the team. He could have remained on the team. It’s not either him or Maclin. His production won’t be rplaced because there isn’t one player on this team that can replace his production. This isn’t a shot at what remains. They are all better with than without Jackson. We lost him for nothing. It would be different if we got even a 5th. Then we could say the 5th round pick could turn out to be our deep threat, but we got nothing.

    • Jerry Pomroy

      You’re obviously still in the grieving stage…lol.

      • cliff henny

        i’m a little upset RIP is thru the anger stage, that was some good reading.

        • RIP illa

          Just scroll down to my post with Token. Lol. I’m always gonna be angry when people help set me off. More to come!!! :-)

          • cliff henny

            Token doesn’t count…he could piss of the pope

          • cliff henny

            neither does Maggie

          • RIP illa

            LMAO

    • Token

      So im trying to get opinions on this now from some of the Jackson fanatics.

      If the Eagles come out and still have just as good of a offense or better this year what will be the excuse for that?

    • RIP illa

      Up vote cuz I’m pretty sure I know what you’re getting at but doubt some will follow along.

      • Maggie

        Yours, and some other commenters, previous arguments about the Eagles starting a smear campaign to get rid of DJax because A. he is black, B. he ‘s associated with gangs, and C. some word association’s are not very well thought out. A. 3/4 of the league is black, B. I read a piece on his “West Coast rap” persona AT LEAST 2 years ago, right there in the hated philly.com, and C. many people, of different races wouldn’t know the difference.

        • RIP illa

          Jesus Christ…shut the hell up if you don’t know what you’re talking about! Aub is not referencing the fact that he’s black and neither am I!

          Not once did I say the eagles started a smear campaign. I have always said that the media, in an effort to search for why he was on the trade block and his subsequent release, searched for negatives. Which were not good for his trade value and hurt his image in the eye of public opinion. I stated that I would be mad if the eagles continued on with a smear campaign after eh fact of his release. They have not and will not comment on it further.

          I also said that he played the biggest part in his release and did it to himself when it came to the gang associations. I’ve said numerous times that he should not have and can’t bring that shit to work. If I, you, or him wanna have friends in gangs then go for it. But they, nor your actions with them, should be brought to the attention of your employer unless you want to lose your job. The eagles could take cover behind the report and have it soften the blow of public perception, but ultimately DJax it’s on DJax!

          The convo I was having, that you wanted to inject yourself in with BBS was me going against her notions while still being able to understand how things are set up and sometimes play out!

          Plus additional comments, by me, against how race does not play into things. Whether it be from a perception of people seeing Coop still on the squad, and from the perception of anti DJax people, who have always held contempt for him, before knowing anything negative about him.

          Once again…don’t talk it if you ain’t ever lived it. And don’t jump into my post without knowing what the hell is going on!!!

          • aub32

            upvote for stating our peace without language that will get you banned. I need you to fight the good fight

    • Maggie

      “there isn’t one player on this team that can replace his production”. I believe you meant to say “currently” on this team. Because, of course, the Eagles don’t have a single wide receiver on their draft board, right? C’mon man, NOBODY is indispensable.

      • aub32

        I don’t think any player we draft will be a 1200 yd WR. Is it possible? Yes. The odds are pretty stacked in my favor though.

  • Tyree Akeem Morgan

    I hear a lit of people saying well we’re no better with Deshawn gone.. Hey you guy theirs a thing out there called free agency…