Cosell On Receiver Fits For Chip

Odell Beckham

Whether DeSean Jackson is on the roster or not, chances are the Eagles will be tempted to pull the trigger on a number of quality wideouts throughout the draft.

“I think we’re going to be sitting there in every round and there’s going to be a receiver we  like,” said Howie Roseman at the combine. “It’s just going to happen that way…Guys will be pushed back because of the quality and the depth of the class.”


Add NFL Films Senior Producer Greg Cosell to the long list of analysts and executives that are calling this the best receiver crop in recent memory. Out of this group, which are the best fits for Chip Kelly and the Eagles offense? We asked Cosell for his take, and he offered four names to consider.

Odell Beckham, LSU (6-0, 187)
CBS Sports projected draft round: 1

"In an ideal world, you've got a guy like Odell Beckham who could easily fit that role. Beckham is terrific. He really is a smooth, fluid athlete with quickness, with speed, really good run after catch, he has really good hands. He knows how to run routes at this point, which is usually rare for a college wide receiver.

"He can do a lot of things in a Chip Kelly offense. He was also willing to block. He blew up Alabama linebacker C.J. Mosley this year; last year he blew up another Alabama linebacker. He is willing to block. Overall, he is a quick, polished, dynamic, versatile wideout with explosive traits both as a route-runner and run after catch. He would absolutely fit a Chip Kelly offense."

Brandin Cooks, Oregon State (5-10, 186)
CBS Sports projected draft round: 1-2

"He is arguably similar (to Beckham). He is smaller but I don't think Chip thinks that way. I don't think he is beholden to the way things have been done in the past. For most people he might be seen as a slot receiver but I think he has the ability to be a movement wide receiver in a multiple-formation pass game just like that of Chip's. This kid is an instant accelerator. He goes from zero-to-sixty in a heartbeat, he's got start and stop explosion, he's got deceptive speed on vertical routes, he's got make-you-miss quickness and change of direction. He's another guy that fits what Chip wants to do. And Chip would be familiar with him because he's from Oregon State."

Robert Herron, Wyoming (5-9, 193)
CBS Sports projected draft round: 3-4

"Another smaller kid. You can probably get him in the third or fourth round. At Wyoming he played both outside and in the slot. He's another guy that has great short-area quickness and burst. Great balance, great body control. Run after the catch ability. I made the note that he's a tightly built, compact, multi-dimensional receiver with the ability to align anywhere in the formation. Didn't run many routes in Wyoming's offense because of the offense they ran, but that's not uncommon for wideouts for shotgun spread systems in college.

"I actually typed when I was watching him, 'Can he become a Percy Harvin-type player in the NFL -- play 30 snaps a game and provide an explosive element?' Chip may want a guy who can play more than 30 snaps per game, but in this offense, this guy might be able to play 50 snaps or 60 snaps because Chip's offense is a little different."

Tevin Reese, Baylor (5-10, 163)
CBS Sports projected draft round: 7-FA

"A kid I even compared to DeSean Jackson. He's got the same size with similar movement and explosion. I mean this kid can run. He's certainly not going to be a first-round pick. His issue is he only weighed 163 at the combine. That's his issue. How do teams feel about that? But he's another guy with a lot of options as a move receiver in a multi-dimensional offense. He's explosive. You might be able to get this kid in the fourth round."

Interesting that Cosell wasn't afraid to project smaller receivers as fits for Kelly's offense. While that goes against the "big people" mantra we have become familiar with, his argument that the scheme calls for "move receivers" that can line up all over the field certainly rings true.

Still, we couldn't help but ask about Florida State's Kelvin Benjamin, who weighs in at 6-5, 240.

"I don't know if he's a Chip guy. I like the Benjamin kid a lot -- I actually like him more than Mike Evans from Texas A&M, but just a little bit, they're close in what they d0 -- but I don't know if he fits Chip's offense. Theoretically Riley Cooper is the same guy. You can argue that Benjamin will become a better player than Cooper, but they would fill the same role for Chip -- big, physical guy to catch the ball at intermediate levels and can run vertically based on scheme. That's what Riley Cooper is."

 

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  • Chris

    Well you can officially count me down with ODB…AKA dirt mcgirt AKA big baby jesus

    • Mr. Wu

      “Hut 1 hut 2 ht 3 hut!!”

      • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

        Ol’ dirty, live and uncut.

        Can’t leave that unfinished.

    • Rambler

      AKA Barney Kool Breeze.

  • JofreyRice

    I like any of these guys for Chip’s system. I think I mentioned it in another thread, but Herron had a scout-timed 4.31 at Wyo’s pro day. He might actually be the fastest of this group.

    I’m wondering if ODB might be the second wide receiver taken in the draft. The hands are just tremendous; probably the best in the draft. I think there is a smaller “bust factor” with Beckham than with Evans, who at worst, could become another Hank Basket that can’t beat NFL coverage enough. Beckham’s going to be able to provide that Cordarelle Patterson/Patrick Peterson shot in the arm in the return game, even if he has to adjust to getting open against NFL DBs.

    It is interesting that all these guys are pretty small. No one over 5’10. Cosell spends a lot of time at Novacare. We’re all projecting bigger guys, Matthews, Robinson, Evans, Benjamin (ugh), Moncrief, Martavius Bryant. I know Cosell is really high on Moncrief and Bryant, I wonder why he doesn’t mention them as fits?

    • cliff henny

      you know anything about that Richardson cat out of Colorado. he’s been in top10. I start with Evans, by time I get to old dirt mcgirt and Landry i’m spent.
      .
      agree with Evans, but think there’s zero bust potential with Kelly. worst case just stack screen WR tosses and watch him truck DBs. or, be Cooper in ’13, except bigger stronger faster and meaner.

      • oreofestar

        I do not know why I just never got really high on Richardson, he might make it to the 3rd

      • Rambler

        Love me some big Dirt McGirt, pouring out a 40 to honor his name. And would love to have Odell on the Eagles… that cat just looks so damn smooth.

        • cliff henny

          he doesn’t have that top top d-jax gear. but him in slot, with sproles, mac and Jax….I don’t know what teams could do. someone is 1v1.

          • oreofestar

            Imagine that 5 personnel with Jax, Dirt, Mac, Coop and Ertz…Jesus…

          • cliff henny

            oh, you figured that out, here comes shady celek and sproles, for Coop, Mac and ODB.

          • oreofestar

            As long as Desean is a part of this glorious offense

          • Rambler

            I know, its enticing. Maybe a luxury draft pick, but you know Chip is salivating at the thought of it. Plus I just want to hear Merrill Reese yelling, “He’s at the 20, the 10… Touchdown for Dirt McGirt (AKA Big Baby Jesus)!”

          • Chris

            I never knew I needed to imagine this, until right now.

      • JofreyRice

        Fast, fast, fast. Another 4.4-35 guy. There is a ton of talent in this draft. IMO Richardson is kinda like a Mike Wallace/Desean Jackson guy, but I don’t know he’s quite as good at tracking the deep ball. Might be closer to Todd Pinkston than Desean Jackson. And don’t get me wrong, Pinkston was a contributor. He was just never the #1 receiver we all wanted.

        • cliff henny

          I watch and listen, and I go back to wanting 2 WRs. squeeze whatever you can out of Mac and Jax’s contract demands, looking at shady’s replacement in 2 yrs. now monitoring and tinkering, focus on defense, while kicking teeth in of everyone.

          • G_WallyHunter

            Screw a Shady replacement :(

          • cliff henny

            rbs don’t last forever my man. I would blink if Seastrunk was taken in 3rd.

          • G_WallyHunter

            Ya, I just don’t want to think about it. Shady’s got at least 3 or 4 more great years in him anyways, plus (need I mention) the SS

          • oreofestar

            Shady is what 25? We could possibly have 5 more elite years of Shady and by the time Seastrunk gets his shot he is like 27, I agree we will need a replacement but this year wth Brown, Sproles and Polk we are already stacked

          • JofreyRice

            I could be totally wrong, but I don’t think Sproles is really going to be carrying even 10-15 times a game in this offense, no matter what. So if Shady goes down–which unfortunately can happen to anyone, anytime–you’d be cool with Brown/Polk being the foundation of the Eagles offense? Because in my view, that’s really what the running game is, to Kelly.

          • cliff henny

            if we want shady to last till 30, someone needs to take some hits. sorry, I don’t like Brown.

          • JofreyRice

            Yep. And I think you need a guy that’s somewhat stylistically similar to Shady, in the way he runs. I know we all talk about having a “change of pace” guy, but bringing in a guy that runs totally dissimilar is not only difficult for the D, it’s difficult for the OL out in front of him. That could be some of the problem with Bryce Brown; well, that and the fact that he runs sideways.

            What’s your opinion on Isaiah Crowell? Coachable? Tremendous talent.

          • cliff henny

            never got change of pace. give me good, F pace. or, go UDFA and let some 700k guy slam his body and head in on those dead ball 3rd/4th and 1′s. while in hurry up spread mode, fine with shady, but hate seeing him take stacked up defense hits. want shady to be shady for 5 more yrs, he needs more help than polk

          • jesse

            that and he stumbles over dust bunnies

          • Ertz Donut

            Seastrunk went to Oregon then transferred. There was hard feelings. Eagles won’t draft him

          • cliff henny

            oh. well, put the realistic % of this happening around .0001% but that’s good info, thanks

    • John E. Zang

      The thing that worries me with Evans is that he played with “Johnny Football”. So most of the time he was catching balls not on a route tree and out of scheme. He’ll probably be drafted too high as well. He definitely needs to be coached up, so you’re basically gambling on his upside. Beckham is a sure thing. He’ll be a pro bowler at some point IMO.

      • JofreyRice

        Agreed. If all the chips fall right for Evans you might get Vincent Jackson, and a guy that every D-Coordinator dreads finding a guy to matchup against.

        I think ODBs best projection is something like Steve Smith. Tough, fast, good hands, competitive for the ball at the highest point, ST’s contributor right away. I think ODBs floor is closer to a good NFL wide receiver right now, though–something like what Seattle got from Golden Tate. Evans could have a longer way to go if he ends up playing within a system that requires precise route running.

        • James Hathaway

          I actually see ODB as a more physical Maclin. Similar stats coming out of college, similar builds, both electric returners in college.

          That being said, I think ODB will have the better career vs. Maclin, and may actually be utilized in the return game. I’d love the pick!

      • guest

        Demaryius Thomas played in the Triple Option in college. Just because they didn’t do it, doesn’t mean they can’t.

        Its certainly not crazy to say Beckham will be better than Evans and I agree that Beckham is a better fit for the Eagles, but A&M still ran more of an offense than Georgia Tech did with Thomas and Stephen Hill. So I wouldn’t worry about that with Evans.

        If anything, playing with Manziel could be a positive with the amount of scrambling he did. Evans had to run his route not knowing where his QB was or when the ball was coming out, which probably led him to have to make more adjustments that some WRs.

    • guest

      Isn’t it obvious? Cosell hates GEAGLE, so he’s not going to give him the satisfaction of linking Moncrief to the Birds. :-)

  • cliff henny

    oh, daddy’s home! turn of the phones, toss a couple Miller Lite’s in the freezer! let’s talk WRs!!!

    • oreofestar

      Desean?

    • Joe from Easton

      Miller Lite?!

      • cliff henny

        yeah…heck, times I back it all the way down to 64′s. I retired from 28-35, lived in LA, partied with rockstars, I don’t do it like I used too. probably have to work till i’m 100, but it was worth it

        • Joe from Easton

          haha, that’s awesome… Unfortunately I just can’t drink lite anything anymore. Spoiled myself with the microbrew culture and now old faithful tastes like piss water.

          • cliff henny

            well, probably not, but hey, it was fun

          • Joe from Easton

            Party with anyone I’d know?

          • cliff henny

            drummer from chili peppers, probably biggest name. cool dude. oh, say ‘with’ should say ‘like’. it was crazy. around age 32-33, I could probably come close to month based on sport on TV, fall, could tell you day due to football season, but not after…damn sure didn’t know date.

          • Joe from Easton

            hahahaha

          • GEAGLE

            Isn’t that the plot to Californication? Cliff Moody

          • Jerry Pomroy

            Hahaha…I’ll 2nd that. My dad will come over every now and then, and if I hand him any of the beer I drink, he looks at me funny. I’m more of a wheat ale or amber guy. Can’t stand overly hoppy beers.

          • Joe from Easton

            I don’t discriminate as long as it has a recognizable flavor. If I’m eating something spicy then I love the hops; sets off the spice. If I’m eating something rich and fatty then I go for a lager or pils; cuts through the fat. I’d have to say my favorite beer just for sipping is a good dark stout though. Something about the roasted barley addition (as opposed to without in a traditional porter) just makes it so good to relax with.

          • Jerry Pomroy

            I can get down with a stout every now and then, but typically the heaviness will put my ass to sleep. I’ve been really craving something I tried at last year’s Irish festival down here in Harford Co., MD. I believe it was a Guinness light? But I am not positive.

            (Note for those unaware, a Guinness “light” is still far heavier than most beers.)

          • Rambler

            Maybe Guinness Draught? You can get it in a can and bottle, and its surprisingly light (only 125 calories if you care about that sort of thing).

          • Jerry Pomroy

            That may be it. It was in a bottle (prefer draft on anything). Retained the Guinness flavor, just less weight.

          • Joe from Easton

            It’s taken my hundreds of different microbrews to develop a tolerance enabling me not to pass out after two of them, lol.

  • oreofestar

    I want Desean here but even if he is here we are drafting a WR in the first 2 rounds and if he leaves which I hope he is not then we are drafting 2 WRs

  • JosephR2225

    From Les Bowen:
    Last night, as I reported in today’s Daily News, a source close to DeSean
    said the team hadn’t talked to him about a trade. The source said DeSean
    very much wants to stay here.

    Then, this morning, 94WIP’s Ike Reese reported that Eagles coach Chip
    Kelly has indeed spoken with Jackson and has told him not to worry
    about the trade reports. I checked back with my source, who said yes,
    that did happen. When? The source didn’t know, but presumably, it would
    have had to have been last night or this morning.
    Read more at http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/sports/eagles/Chip-talked-to-DeSean-told-him-not-to-worry.html#l8zqrzljT2eoDYx6.99

  • oreofestar

    I love a lot of WRs Adams, Robinson, Landry are guys I like at 54 and I would not mind Beckham or Benjamin at 22

    • cliff henny

      Landry might be 4th or 5th, have to hear his pro day 40. 4.7, didn’t bother me, he’s younger version of Avant. he was never covered in SEC.

      • oreofestar

        Damn if he gets down that far…

  • southy

    So Benjamin is the same guy as Riley Cooper so he doesn’t fit, but Tevin Reese is DJax who “we are trying to trade” and who “isn’t a fit for what Chip is trying to do” and he does fit.

    As an Eagles fan I am tired of having micro-machines WRs. We have them on the squad already. Give me an Alshon Jeffrey type kid.

    • Jerry Pomroy

      I don’t foresee DJax not being a fit schematically. It seems the hype is based more so on character type than anything else.

  • Andy124

    I know Cosell has a good rep, I just don’t think he’s making a ton of sense here, for many of the same reasons southy just mentioned. Big receivers aren’t a fit? Because we already have one? Huh???

    Cossell acted like he was asked, Chip had this thing called a “move reciever” at Oregon. Who do you think would be a fit for that?

    • southy

      Remember we brought in Momah last offseason. His body position and ball skills were disgraceful and he didn’t make the team, but I think it’s indicative of Howie/Chip’s willingness to put a bigger WR on the roster that can make those high-point type catches.

      I see either that or a medium size burner, Cruz-type slot guy, since we dropped Avant. But DJax can easily play that role with another couple on the outside, unless you think his blocking sucks.

      • Andy124

        Momah’s back under contract. They’ll get another look at him and see if he’s learned how to play football over the past year.
        ——
        Kelly has yet to draft a WR. I’m going to wait until he does before I form an opinion on what measurables he’s given Howie for WRs.

        • Jerry Pomroy

          Same here in regards to your second statement. I’m still trying to figure out what he likes in an OLB. We seem to have some kind of idea with Barwin & his interest in Dion. But until I see him select one in the draft for the right side, I’m not gonna nail myself down to a specific type just yet.

        • Ian Farley

          momah was a practice squad player all year.

  • GEAGLE

    Titans released Rob Bironas

    • OldDocRoss

      Zero completed kicks into moving vehicles (land or sea) for his career, so pass.

  • GEAGLE

    Get ODB and Moncrief call it a day and don’t talk to me about offensive skill positions again til 2016

    • Andy124

      You forgot to draft a TE in 2015.

      • GEAGLE

        Coke Lyeria 7th round

        • Andy124

          deal

          • GEAGLE

            But you are right, when Celek is gone, you offensive geeks can get another bone thrown your way..my D will be nasty by then

          • cliff henny

            don’t have to win 55-6…but in my world, 55 part has to stay

          • oreofestar

            I like 7-3…

          • cliff henny

            pick another team.

          • oreofestar

            lol when I started rooting for the Eagles back in my early early days 7-3 was not crazy :P

          • cliff henny

            those days are long gone my friend. Kelly’s playing basketball full court pressure style on a football field. forget all those defensive numbers we’re used to, it’s all about turnovers, redzone and scoreboard pressure.

          • oreofestar

            I still love me some D but you are starting to rub on me between me mocking a wr as our first pick and the Jimmy Graham dreams

          • cliff henny

            i’d love to see Barr drop, or if Atta-guy kills it at pro day and moves into top 20. it’s mostly where Eagles are picking, dead zone for OLB. don’t see any way Kelly isn’t leaving with another weapon or 2.

          • Andy124

            If Barr gets to the mid to late teens I will drive to new york and start making calls from the Eagles desk to trade up myself.

            I thought At-At was more of a 2nd or 3rd rounder?

          • cliff henny

            no combine, out of sight out of mind. he was 4th, then off season workouts got up into 1st rd mocks occasionally . now has fallen back.

      • OldDocRoss

        I was wanting a Jamison Crowder in 2015 already. Could do both. And draft a couple guys along the O-line to coach up for when the 30-somethings move on. Maybe try and find Shady’s long term replacement. Oh, and it’s always worth taking a flyer on a QB project.

        That still leaves us with a pick to spend on one of those “defensive” things people keep going on about. Should be fine.

        • Andy124

          We solved our OLB situation when we signed Braman. We’re good.

          • cliff henny

            cool…go WR then TE…get that Niklas ND beast.

          • JofreyRice

            270 POUNDS! Homeboy can fill in at tackle if need be.

          • Andy124

            Only if he runs a 4.7 40.

    • cliff henny

      LOL! WR group of Jax Mac ODB Moncrief Cooper w/ Ertz Sproles Shady reminds me of first time Lancaster City school basketball team walked into gym…us pasty face white boys knew we were about to get seriously embarrassed

      • GEAGLE

        I seriously want to know WTF the legion of boom is gonna do about that?

        • cliff henny

          same as everyone else, bring out extra point team alot

  • Jerry Pomroy

    I don’t know. The more I watch Beckham, the more enthralled I am by him. Forget the route running & the great hands, but at 6′ 187lbs, he sure is a strong & sure footed SOB that can run through arm tackles like a 220lb RB.

    • cliff henny

      the way he high points ball. he perfect combo of small slot receiver that can navigate traffic, than put him outside and bam, it’s like having Mike Evans. he’s walking mismatch.

      • Jerry Pomroy

        I was gonna add that in as well, but didn’t want to overdo it. But it’s the truth. He can do everything. The only thing I haven’t seen much from him is the deep over the shoulder catch in stride. But I don’t doubt he can do it. He’d be a nightmare against DRC & some of the weak tackling DBs we’d face. Dunno why but he reminds me of a faster/stronger Chris Carter.

    • GEAGLE

      He is Randall Colbb with Steve smith toughness..liked it so much better when everyone thought he would be a round two pick..now dude might not even make it to 22

    • JofreyRice

      amazing what mental toughness can do for a player. Beckham actually came in at 5’11. Jeremy Maclin’s a bigger player, but plays so much smaller.

      • Jerry Pomroy

        That’s what I mean. He’s doesn’t possess impressive size, yet he just plays BIG. I don’t want to see DJax go, but if the conciliation prize is Beckham, M Smith, Christian Jones & a talented developmental safety, I mean…I could get over it.

  • FinsterBaby

    I want Cooks and I will be crestfallen if DJax is traded. DJax, Shady, and Sproles/Cooks to me is like bringing the Phil Jackson triangle offense to the NFL and if everyone executes would be near unstoppable. I don’t think there are many/any defenses that can cover 3 (let alone 4) of those guys consistently. That said I wouldn’t pick Cooks in round 1 where I’m still hoping Ha Ha or Pryor are there at 22 (have to say I’m warming to the idea of taking Mosley there too) – if Cooks made it to us in the 2nd I think it would be a great pick.

    • oreofestar

      After his combine and pro day there is no chance he gets to 54 personally I ike ODB more then Cooks anyway

    • GEAGLE

      Did you miss the part where ODB Blew up Mosley? Please no mosley

      • oreofestar

        I would not blink if we draft Mosley at 22 but it depends on who is left, if their top 3 wrs are gone and Dix and Pryor are gone and Mosley is there highest guy and a LB then why not?

        • Ian Farley

          Mosley is going to start over Ryans or Kendricks? waste of a first rounder. Need a pass rushing OLB

        • GEAGLE

          Doubt he will be the best ILB to one out of this draft, so I hope not to draft him as such

        • cliff henny

          they all cant go top 21, someone will fall. I want to see Carr, Manzeil Barr and ODB fall as far as possible. someone always overpays for qb

          • GEAGLE

            Starting to worry that Manziel will fall right into our lap

          • cliff henny

            why? about that time be when teams with early 2nds and passed on qbs would be willing to jump back in.

          • GEAGLE

            He friggin sucks. I don’t know why anyone would draft him in any round. He is Doug Flutie and TEBOW on drugs mixed together

          • G_WallyHunter

            That would absolutely suck.
            You actually think Chip would take him at 22?
            No… please.. nooooo

          • GEAGLE

            God I hope not

    • phillylove21

      I’ll rather have Christian Jones than Mosley.. Jones cover tight ends and slot receivers better.. I’m surprised that he’s not high on draft board’s.. He’s a stud at any linebacker position..

  • Mike Tyner

    What if we traded DJax and received an up and coming olb and a mid round pick? Any one here supporting that move?

    • Jerry Pomroy

      Depends on the up & coming OLB. They don’t grow on trees according to Chip. I’m not rallying for him to be traded, but if he is, I at least want adequate compensation.

  • Krazieeek

    So showing 5-9 and 5-10 receivers and trying to trade Desean because he is small?? Pretty stupid decision if they trade him and draft a similar player. Desean is proven and coming off a career year.

  • Brian

    Hey Cliff… Here comes the bus!

    Les Bowen ‏@LesBowen 4m

    Another twist: just emailed wDeSean spokesperson. She says DeSean hasn’t talked 2 Chip, despite what another source told me (& @Ike58Reese)

    • cliff henny

      oh, they’ll drag part II of the ‘trade d-jax’ play out 2 or 3 days. now the infighting between reporters begins.

    • peteike

      lettin us down Ike, lettin us down

      • Andy124

        Very disappointing indeed. I think you should change the last part of your screen name.

    • G_WallyHunter

      well this is awkward, Day got made by the report they had talked……

      • EaglesFanInPhx

        consider it unmade.

        • G_WallyHunter

          lol ya was my implication, screw this ish, how has he not talked to him that’s whack. 3rd rounder for him ya great move…. clap… clap..

          • EaglesFanInPhx

            My love for Chip will certainly decrease if they do trade DJax and get only a 3rd rounder. a 2nd rounder would still decrease it a bit, anything better would be neutral for me.

          • G_WallyHunter

            Pretty much same, if Chip can snag a stud WR in 1 or get that extra early 2nd rounder and get a playmaker that drops, I’d just say whatever. Hate to lose Desean he’s one of best WRs in league and 10.5mil isn’t a problem, would be stupid for them to trade him.
            The value he had in this offense last year, why would you get rid of that when you have Maclin, Sproles, hopefully a similar Cooper, and a better Ertz in the mix… Dumb.

          • Jerry Pomroy

            Chip isn’t the one negotiating deals though. He has final say over roster, but not negotiations.

  • Andy124

    For anyone that was relieved by Les Bowan’s report the Chip talked to DJ and told him he’s not being traded… Les is retracting that.

    • JofreyRice

      aye yi yi! Once again, if they aren’t actively shopping him, they need to reach out. He’s a big boy, I’m sure they’ll understand if people are ringing their phone off the hook. There is a big difference between that and actually looking to move him with specific compensation in mind–which hasn’t been commented on by the team.

      • cliff henny

        why is it the Eagles’ fault that a reporter got caught making up shit? ike said eagles told jax he wasn’t getting traded (no timeline but after season). les reports it, but adds ‘we can assume that’s been in last 24 hrs’. he was making that part up!

        • JofreyRice

          Clearly this thing has snowballed. Gotta deal with the reality of it, cyclical and media driven as it may be. Supposedly Desean tried to get in touch with Kelly, but got no response, because Kelly was busy. IMO, If you’re Chip Kelly, it’s time to clear 5 mins off your schedule and give him a call, if you’re interested in having Jackson as part of the team next year.

          • G_WallyHunter

            Plain and simply yes, and if in fact Chip hasn’t reached out, being the players coach and communication-first coach that he is, speaks volumes.. especially at this point its a 20 foot wide snowball headin straight for Chips condo.

          • EaglesFanInPhx

            I think the damage is definitely being done regardless of outcome right now. If I’m Chip, I reach out to Desean and say what you are thinking. Complete silence from someone who has touted the importance of open communication to me means in this situation that he either is making a point to not respond to media reports to anyone including djax, or that djax is truly on the block and that he doesn’t know the best way to talk to djax about that, so he just doesn’t call.

          • G_WallyHunter

            Yup, plain and simple

          • EaglesFanInPhx

            Although if he is in fact on the block, but they don’t get what they want, there is plausible deniability on Chip’s part to try to keep Jackson happy, so that could be the strategy. Shop him without acknowledging, if it works, so long, but if it doesn’t, then say “we love you, we were never trying to trade you!”

          • G_WallyHunter

            Ya this silence period though, or shopping period you would say, is starting to get too long, and he better pull the trigger on either shipping him or calling him asap

          • EaglesFanInPhx

            My opinion is we won’t see anything either way until the draft, unless the rumors heat up to the point where Chip has no choice but to address it.

          • G_WallyHunter

            Ya which they are with this “he contacted him, no he never contacted him” bullcrap

          • cliff henny

            Howie’s a little busy with signing unrestricted free agents and Kelly’s got pro days. Jax can sit tight for 2 weeks. doesn’t timing of story strike it as very bad for eagles and good for Jax, where it puts pressure of Howie to come to table.

          • JofreyRice

            We made our big free agency splash, right. Are there some special teams demons left out there that Howie is wining and dining?

          • cliff henny

            Jax isn’t going anywhere, tell him to spit some rhymes and holla back in a month. F Jax, stop being a F’n PITFA for 8 minutes!

          • Jerry Pomroy

            Man, the last thing I have time for is hurt feelings. Especially for a guy earning 7 figures, while I’ve been on the hunt for work for almost a year.

          • JofreyRice

            Nicky the Boob. Just play Nicky the Boob. Rather than have it come out that you’re too busy watching pro days.

          • cliff henny

            this isn’t as straight forward as we like to think. Jax is asking for a new contract. that’s Howie’s office. what is Kelly supposed to say? anything positive will be used as leverage by jax’ agent in negotiations. and sure Kelly and Howie aren’t minding seeing jax twist in wind, especially if some of these rumors are coming from his camp. that 3rd rd bs didn’t come from the NovaKremlin, we know that.
            .
            getting sick of it all. and reporters interjecting themselves as part of the story has always annoyed me.

          • JofreyRice

            Maybe he’s asking for a new contract. Besides what he responded to directly, he’s not exactly doing situps on his lawn. As far as I can tell dude was minding his business back in SoCal.

            All Kelly has to say is “We’re not actively trying to trade you, we value your 1300 yards and 9 TDs, and consider you a key cog to this offense. But please understand that as an enterprise, we listen to offers on all players. The fact that there is so much interest in your talents speaks to your work ethic and ability”. If they get blown away by an offer, and take a team up on it, then so be it; I think it’s a mistake, but they ain’t asking me. But let the guy know you’re not trying to get rid of him for a freaking 3rd round pick. The only reason they wouldn’t be able to do that is if they are actively trying to trade him.

            Whoo man, I think Jackson would make it a mission to go for 250 yards against our bum-ass secondary if they do him dirty like this. And I’d have a tough time blaming him.

          • G_WallyHunter

            Great post, couldn’t have said it better, and to add, I would personally love seeing him go for 250+ if he comes to the Linc next year. Reach out Mr. Chip the Communicator…

          • James Skip Carl

            If they trade him, he would be dead to me.

          • cliff henny

            Jax is definitely wanting new contract. Howie/agent/jax knew the day they signed it renegotiations were this spring, which is fine. Kelly doesn’t handle that side, that’s Howie’s side. if Kelly says that, don’t you think Jax’ agent will run wild with it? I don’t see anything Kelly can say that helps today. sometimes you just have to treat a soiled bitch like crap, maybe crack her of those habits. i’m starting to believe a lot of this is jax’ camp, trying to create such a stir Howie has to get to the table.
            .
            oh, and yeah,lol, they better send him to Siberia or something, don’t ever want to see him play us

          • JofreyRice

            we don’t see eye to eye on this. The only thing Jackson’s camp has done is say “wtf?”. All the rest seems to have come from the media & (maybe) some source in the Novakremlin. No one there is putting out any fires, for sure.

            I don’t want Jackson gone. I’m not as big into the money as you are, but if they both signed the contract knowing they’d renegotiate after 2013, then it’s time to renegotiate, right? What else could Jackson have done to prove he was worth the money, on the field? 2K and 20 TDs? I don’t think saying you want a guy on the team, and aren’t actively trying to ship him off puts you at a major disadvantage from a leverage standpoint–and Chip can play Nicky the Boob as the Head Coach anyway, he’s not supposed to be involved in contract stuff.

          • cliff henny

            ok, you don’t think any of these rumors are being originated by Jax’ camp? you yourself call it the NovaKremlin (props, love that) where did the 3rd come from. doesn’t the timing strike you as absolutely awful for Eagles while only creating more hysteria help Jax? I don’t want Jax gone. but people keep saying ‘Kelly needs to call him’…a, they are most likely in contract negotiations, Kelly 100% defers to Howie and b, what can Kelly say? what you wrote, if I was his agent, i’d twist that 9 ways from Sunday for more money.
            .
            I don’t want jax gone either, i’m just saying it’s not as simple as pick up the phone and it all disappears. and oh boy, if Howie and Chip think Jax’ camp started some of this, shit could get real ugly.

          • Andy124

            I’d say that rumors that the Eagles are having trouble even securing a 3rd round pick for him would hurt Jackson’s bargaining power if anything.

          • cliff henny

            think only a 3rd is so ludicrous, I put so little stock in it. d-jax for 3 or 4 yrs at 8-9m for a 3rd…every nfl team is ringing Howie off the hook.

          • Andy124

            I would think so too. But weird things happen with NFL trades.

          • Jerry Pomroy

            I dunno, I read that earlier (Howie wanting a 3rd) and literally dismissed it with a “huh?” and a short chuckle since that is (as Cliff stated) ludicrous.

    • Tom W

      I thought that was an Ike reese report?

      • cliff henny

        it was. les took it, said since Ike said it this morning and reporters haven’t heard anything that they talked before yesterday, we can assume it was last night. he literally made that up, got called out on it, and is trying to say it’s eagles fault for not keeping his crappy reporting ass up to date.

      • Andy124

        1) Les had a source that said there had been no contact as of Tuesday night.
        2) Ike said Chip and DJ talked.
        3) Les contacted his source who said yes, Chip and DJ cleared the air.
        4) Les assumed, in print, that since the source said that there hadn’t been contact yesterday, and today his source said there had been contact, that the contact had occured in the last 24 hours.
        5) “Source” denies contact.
        6) Les gets confirmation from a different “more authoritative” source that the contact had indeed not occured.
        7) Les and his anonymous sources lose whatever credibility they may once have had.

        • cliff henny

          7-les has no source

          • Andy124

            Confrimed. By sources.

          • cliff henny

            who are these so protected sources…guy cleaning d-jax music studio? reminds me of Seinfeld…he named names!!!

          • Andy124

            The 1 guy that bought DJ’s single. Figures that makes them besties.

          • cliff henny

            cracks me up. when did sports reporting become Watergate and everyone has own ‘deepthroat’. Les Bowen has no source close to Jax! a hack 60-65 yr old crappy philly beat reporter know no one that’s intight with California hiphop wannabe Jax. am I crazy?
            .
            adam schefter, he ended all this with, yeah, listening, not actively, and no one is taking it terribly seriously. what?! F, that’s not very good for my clicks! so, we’ll ignore and sidestep that and focus on a more open-ended quote from Ike Reece, guy who’s a lot easier to poke holes in.

        • oreofestar

          source?

  • Nfl All Day

    I’ve yet to hear a negative thing about ODB’s game or character. One underreported aspect of his personality is the fact that both of his parents were D1 athletes who went on to coach at the collegiate level. Pop in football, moms in Track and Field. By all accounts, the kid is a well grounded workhorse, who’s had his sights set on being an NFL player since age 4. Ideally, Id love to add him to the current mix of weapons. But should we end up dumping #10, ODB is the best most logical replacement.

    • JofreyRice

      Don’t like his me-first attitude. Did all his individual combine drills BY HIMSELF. SET HIM SELF UP OUTSIDE ALL THE REST OF THE RECEIVERS–BAD TEAMMATE? Not saying he’s a bad teammate, but is he a terrible influence on the locker room? I don’t know. I’m not really going one way or another on this but could we get more value from a guy that doesn’t have such a checkered past (some say bad teammate) and has shown himself to be such a shitty person (allegedly)? Just playing devil’s advocate here. Also has that crazy two-tone hair. Marches to the beat of his own drummer. I’m not saying he doesn’t fit the culture, but I’m not sure Kelly wants that kind of hair around. Maybe so, maybe not, outlook unclear. Try again later. Not enough cap space.

      • cliff henny

        heard (reputable source) he expects to be 1st round draft pick. the guy hasn’t played a down in nfl and already making contract demands. another WR diva, no thanks!

        • Andy124

          Doesn’t play well with others. Many times the opposing team would refuse to even kick the ball to him when he lined up as a receiver because he was so unpopular.

          Often refused to share the ball with defenders or even allow them to tackle him, thereby hurting their feelings and draft stock. Not the kind of selfish behavior we’re looking for in our locker room.

          • JofreyRice

            DIVA ALERT! Philadelphia’s not big enough for Beckham and Patti LaBelle. I don’t want this guy anywhere near our locker room. Give me a hard working, humble player that maybe can’t catch as well, or run as fast, or is kind of overweight, or maybe has some kind of inner ear problems that cause him to lose his balance suddenly over a walking human cancer like that (supposedly).

          • Andy124

            I’m hired?

        • JofreyRice

          Les Bowen now reporting/retracting that hack Jimmy Kempski has retracted a report allegedly from ODB’s camp about ODB supposedly being a lousy tipper, but there are also conflicting reports stating the contrary that have been retracted.

          • cliff henny

            wait, heard a reporter with an unnamed source stating that OBD is an excessive tipper. rumors are swirling around the league that money management issues are going to follow him. he’ll probably need to hire drew rosenhaus after 1st yr of rookie contract cause he’ll be broke.

        • Nfl All Day

          Sarcasm font? No sarcasm font? My sarcas-o-meter is busted. F#ck it I’ll cover both angles and let you sort it out…..Stop playing yo! That shit is too funny!…………What a kid can’t be confident in his ability without being an asshole?………There. Your ball.

          • cliff henny

            sarcasm. that isn’t broke, that’s busted, tossed out moving car and run over by 18 wheeler busted, my man, ;)

          • Andy124

            Welcome to my world. :)

          • Nfl All Day

            Yeah I need some positve news. Least they could do is trade BG to satisfy the blood lust in this bitch. That’d hold off the dogs til the owners meeting

          • cliff henny

            serve me the head of Casey Matthews!

          • Nfl All Day

            I honestly forget he even exist at times. Surely with Braman signed and Phillips returning, Najee Goode, and Kaddu all under contract he must be gone right? He’s another slasher flick villian who can’t be killed. He gets his throat slit and a Ford Bronco dropped on his head and still manages to climb out from under wreckage and show up at camp. Got that Reno Mahe swag!

          • cliff henny

            don’t know, just do not know. you’d think. Zombie Matthews, I wont count him out

          • Nfl All Day

            Id like to believe he, Chung, Maehl & Dixon were mostly here to aid the transition to the KellyWay and become expendable as the team assimilates.

          • Jerry Pomroy

            You know what happens when you assimilate. It makes an ass I’m a late out of you.

            Sorry, blood sugar is low. Hungry for dinner…lol.

          • Jerry Pomroy

            You said Ford Bronco…he he. I want a Ford Bronco.

            No seriously, I do.

          • Nfl All Day

            I hear ya. Pop off that back roof and go jeep style. That or a T-top Monte Carlo. #80′s sh%t!

          • Jerry Pomroy

            Monte Carlo SS or Grand National. Regal T-Types could look sweet too. I actually have my old ’87 Camaro Z28 stored away in my dad’s garage in Philly…lol.

        • Amber Jack

          How is expecting to be drafted in the 1st round making contract demands? Maybe he heard something. I have heard nothing negative attitude wise in anything I have read about him leading up to the draft.

          • Nfl All Day

            He was joking. I was ready to get him too. Love me some ODB.

      • Nfl All Day

        I like cheese.

        • Andy124

          I have a source close to the situation that says you don’t.

          • Nfl All Day

            Geagle’s moms been lying on me since I came out early. …

          • Andy124

            You came early? I hear they have pills for that now. :)

          • Jerry Pomroy

            Umm, shh…on the hush, hush. Do they really have pills for that??

          • Andy124

            Google says… maybe.

          • Jerry Pomroy

            I checked. No not really unless you consider antidepressants…lol.

  • Tom W

    IF we forced to stay at 22 without ability to trade down … I’m down for ODB (assuming Barr doesn’t somehow fall to us). Cosell forgets to mention ODB is a phenomenal st return man … teams literally stopped kicking to him half the time.

  • Tom W

    Love how our philly media is spinning this out of control .. and each trying to beat each other to a story you have numerous guys saying one thing and others something else … and now they are interjecting themselves into the story by calling djax crew friends and other sources … cant they just stop making this thing worse … they do this shit all the time … how many superstars in this town has our media helped force out by fanning the flames … im disgusted…. bowen detracting what he said and now refuting what Ike Reese said … what a mess ….

  • backliner

    None of these guys is much taller the DJAX.

  • greenblood0118

    I’ve had enough of 160lb speedsters…

  • Uncle Wonder

    Good to Talk to BIg Chip today !! Say or hear what ya want !! The Picture speaks for itself !! Winner… http://t.co/LHYQLmPoHo— Desean Jackson (@DeseanJackson10)

    interesting