New Apartment Rental Search Website Launches

Ever heard of Zumper? You have if you live in San Francisco, NYC or Chicago, where the site was live since its debut launch in 2012. Now it’s going national, bringing some competition (assumedly) to Craigslist due to two key factors:

1. It’s mobile-first
2. It only allows posts from “verified” landlords, brokers and property managers

It seems the site is still a little buggy on a desktop or laptop computer in terms of clicking and images. Also, information from “verified” sources, such as property managers or owners of established rental buildings, is the easiest to come by to begin with, so it’s not very exciting to open up the map and see that those comprise the majority of the results.

Screenshot of Zumper's interface

Screenshot of Zumper’s interface

And it does limit things. One rental in Graduate Hospital? That’s not very helpful if you’re more committed to the neighborhood than to the verification. At this point, many people have become Craigslist-savvy enough to know when an ad is a scam and when it’s not. When in doubt, Trulia and Zillow rentals occupy a happy medium.

The iOS app will be available in a few weeks, so perhaps the mobile app is better. For now, to give it a try, go to www.zumper.com.

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  • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

    It was just an ugly loss. They have got a long week ahead. They need to just shake it off and move forward.

  • The Answer

    Phil Sheridan has been on Chip from the beginning, look at everything he’s written, he’s clearly biased against Kelly. Sheridan loves rushing to judgement he should be on WIP with the rest of the bunch. I don’t care what type of offense you run, if you turn it over 5 times, you’re not going to win games. They’ve proven they can move the football but they shot themselves in the chest again tonight. Credit KC, but again the Eagles offense wasn’t outmatched, they just hurt themselves tonight on silly, correctable mistakes. And they really missed Maclin tonight, Cooper cannot win 1 on 1 battles, he’s a backup for a reason. I’d like to see more Ertz and Damaris Johnson in the coming weeks and less Cooper. Johnson deserves a shot, he’s dangerous with the ball. And Ertz will likely be featured more as he grows more comfortable.

    It’s a building process, anyone who reacts one way or another over 3 games in 11 days doesn’t know jack! Keep the faith.

    • Always Hopeful

      I’d rather see more Ertz than Johnson. Johnson just does not impress me. Our lack of play makers outside of McCoy, Jackson and Vick is not good for Vick.

      Yes, let’s keep the faith for improvement. This team is “limited” (thin on play makers outside of the big three) on both sides of the ball. So this year requires them to play perfectly and scheme with some smoke and mirrors.

      Disheartening to see the defense give up that long drive in the 4th quarter.

      • morgan c

        Completely agree. I don’t really understand all the D Johnson love. What has he done? Sure, he hasn’t had many snaps this year on offense, but he didn’t do anything last year when given the chance. And he has been completely mediocre running back kick-offs and punts (and he fumbled terribly last night). He is the master at just getting over the 20, and getting lit up at the 22/21 yard line. He doesn’t impress me at all.

        • Always Hopeful

          Ha, ha, I ain’t gonna hate on Damaris, but I still can’t get that play out of my mind from last season when he tackled himself going down the sideline. He’s quick, but is small (and plays small) and does not have elite speed.

          Not to dump on him but, how is he different from Reno Mahe…just sayin’.

          He seems like a nice dude but he’s not a play maker, from what we’ve seen of him.

          • The Answer

            You seriously think he is similar to Reno Mahe? Hmmm. Johnson is for one, faster/shiftier than Mahe. Are you just choosing to forget Johnson’s 98 yd punt return for a TD against Dallas? And Johnson had a nice preseason returning punts/kicks, he had several decent returns where he made guys miss. He’s the NCAA leader in kick return yards for a career and total yards gained for a career for a reason (misleading stats I know but he only played 3 years). The blocking on returns hasn’t been there either, let’s see what happens in the next few games.

          • Always Hopeful

            The Mahe comparison may not be fair, but I have a “you gotta show me more” attitude with Johnson. His college stats, while being impressive, don’t get him anything in the NFL.

            I appreciate the push back and you citing some things Johnson has shown in limited action, but I am still not impressed with him, nor do I see him as a good fit for this offense. I’d love for him to prove me wrong, but he just doesn’t pass the eyeball test to me.

            His TD return against Dallas was a BAD decision that ended up working out. Again, I am an Eagles fan and would love for him to develop into a quality return man/ 5th receiver, but I don’t see it yet. Gratefully, there’s a whole lotta season left for him to show and prove himself.

          • The Answer

            Agreed he’s got to prove himself. But I’m not sure what makes you think that he’s not a good fit in this offense, it’s been 3 games. Anybody making conclusions about anything after 3 games, again to me, is jumping the gun prematurely. But that’s what people do nowadays I guess.

      • Chali

        Perfectly said. We have no receivers to create separation. What is Vick to do in those situations? Keep throwing the ball away? Run? Take the sack? Well, I’d take all of those over just throwing it to the other team.

  • Justin

    Let’s give credit to the defense. They didn’t play top 5 or anything, but they played way better tonight than they did against San Diego. As for the offense, I don’t know what Vick’s problem was. He looked sharped in the first two games, but tonight? It was like somebody gave him a concussion before the game.

    • The Answer

      He was under a lot more pressure, that’s what the difference was. Yeah he missed on some throws and made a bad decision or two but the line did a poor job protecting him too. But yes, a bad game by him passing the ball.

    • Chali

      No receiver help. . . What proves this is that Avant was our #1 receiver. . . Everyone said the Chiefs’ secondary was jamming them at the line of scrimmage.

  • AngryTexas

    I feel like just having the koolaid man in the house made our starters revert to last years failures. Execution, execution, execution, if players don’t execute who cares what the scheme is. Maybe our “new school scheme” won’t work without new school talent across the board?

    • Ssakcis

      Took the words right outta my mouth

  • nicksaenz1

    There was a reason I said to pump the brakes after the Redskins win, noting that RG3 hadn’t played a down yet and their D was god-awful. After that Redskins game a lot of people thought we’d be 3-0 right now. We’re likely about to be 1-3 after next week. I wish we had a week 5 bye week right about now.

    • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

      Well 10 days is close enough to a bye. The guys will have some time off.

      • nicksaenz1

        Yeah, that’s very true. Much needed. This team needs to regroup. Obviously I don’t want to see 1-3, but we have to be razor sharp if we’re going to even make a game out of next Sunday. I’m clearly a little bitter at all the people who came at me for advising to pump the brakes after last Monday, saying I was just being a Negadelphian or a “hater” because I wasn’t ready to party down Broad street. Luckily, the division is still well within reach because a wild card likely isn’t.

        • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

          Just hope the rest the East implodes. And then things will seem a lot rosier. lol

          • nicksaenz1

            Luckily our overrated division champs are doing us a favor and vaGiants are following suit. A Cowboys loss is paramount this week or next. If we’re only a game out of first after the Denver game, we can forget about the first 1/4 of the season and move on accordingly. Obviously, best case scenario is shocking the world (Juwon Howard voice) and walking into Denver and stealing one and we’ll be tied for first if Dallas loses this week or next.

        • aub32

          The only glimmer of hope is that Denver doesn’t have near the pass rush that KC does.

          • nicksaenz1

            Certainly helps that Clady is out for the year. Hopefully Cole can tee-off against his replacement. We’ll get a solid idea this Monday.

        • aub32

          The only glimmer of hope is that Denver doesn’t have near the pass rush that KC does.

          • nicksaenz1

            Certainly helps that Clady is out for the year. Hopefully Cole can tee-off against his replacement. We’ll get a solid idea this Monday.

          • aub32

            I think they are still down their starting center as well. We saw the Eagles really create some pressure against a pretty decent line ast night. Hopefully Davis took note of Curry and Graham. However, all the pressure in the world will be for naught is we can’t find a way to defend the middle of the field.

          • nicksaenz1

            Yeah, our D-Line definitely got some pressure, finally, however, if Philip Rivers can read and pick apart our D, Peyton might have a field day. Moreno might look like the player everyone thought he was when he was drafted after Peyton audibles the ish out of our D.

          • aub32

            They still need to execute, and Peyton will get erratic the more you smack him around. I agree Peyton will carve up the middle of the field like a turkey if we can’t get pressure.

  • Dutch

    The Defensive Line of Kansas City dictated the pace of this game. They lived up to their billing and suffocated the Eagles pocket. The Eagles defensive line wasn’t to shabby, however, unlike Kansas City they received no help from their linebackers who routinely over ran plays, missed tackles in space and couldn’t get off KC’s offensive linemen. The linebackers have no range to support a 2 gap scheme which is going to need repairing.

    Again, the intermediate passing attack to tight ends and running backs killed the Eagles linebackers in coverage. Avery caught 6 of his 7 directly in front of the linebackers and burnt them all night. We aren’t very good covering tailbacks and tight ends again. However, the adjustments on defense were good compared to last week’s game. Good to see Vinny Curry make an appearance, but what has to occur to get Graham on the field a little more?

    The formula to beat the Eagles offense appears to be, Man coverage outside with a single safety over DJax, Stack inside to limit the damage of Shady. Make Cooper, Avant and anyone of the Tight Ends catch against man coverage. Smith was pasted to Cooper. Cooper is to slow to get separation against defensive backs at this level. There had been talk that Maclin is finished here in Philly. After witnessing the events last night that assumption should be far from the truth. Avant had an exceptional game but there is a need for another receiver who can get off the line. Smith was virtually limping and was able to shut Cooper down from doing any damage.

    • anon

      Agree w/ all of that, didn’t think our receiving core was so poor.

    • pjcostello

      More or less… the Eagles managed to run all over the Chiefs, better inside than outside. The offense simply didn’t have the ball often enough, and when they DID have the ball they just turned it over too often. Shady ran for over 150, and except for the long TD run, it was kind of quiet — but he was successful.

    • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

      Yeah I just said that on another site regarding our receiving core. Outside of Jackson, we have no credible threat. If we play a team with a good secondary..it’s a wrap. These guys aren’t getting open. At. All.

    • nicksaenz1

      Ground and pound should be this team’s new motto.

  • anon

    Not many positives to take from this game. Hurts to lose to a team that looks sooo poor offensively. The whole points was that even though our defense was terrible we could score points. Defense played well throughout the game, dont know if we can fault them for not getting critical 3rd downs we the offense just kept giving the ball back.

    Really felt like 2012 all over again.

    • Dutch

      Last night the Eagles ran into a Defensive Line capable of taking the best shots our offensive line could deliver. This offense goes as this Offensive Line takes them and Kansas City is loaded across their DLine. I don’t think this is a bad loss for a team adapting to a new concept offensively this early on in the season. The eagles made common mistakes that are correctable. Both Peters and Johnson had their hands full with their perspective opponents. There was not one player on the line who had not had their head handed back to them last night. We shall see how the offensive line responds to this whipping. I think they will bounce back.

      • anon

        I expect we’re going to see a lot of defenses cloning what KC did last night, made it look easy.

        • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

          It’s not a matter of doing what they did, it’s a question of whether or not they have the talent to do what they did. KC has a legit Dline – you want to beat this offense you’re gonna beat them up front. KC did that.

          • evanphilly

            KC has a legit D-Line, the Eagles have a legit O-Line…it was like the unstoppable force, immovable object. They both had their good/bad parts during the game. Came down to the QBs. Smith was under pressure and didn’t make mistakes. He checked down more often than not, but it moved the chains. Vick was under pressure and still tried the chuck the ball downfield with his feet not set and such.

          • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

            There wasn’t anything short open. You cant’ throw something short if it’s not there.

            And no our line was manhandled. It didn’t come down to the QBs. No one on that line looked good. Vick was getting hit at the top of his drop. Our Oline got their @ss handed to them.

          • evanphilly

            Vick turned the ball over under pressure, Smith didn’t turn the ball over under pressure. That is what I saw.

            Wasn’t the basis of the Oregon offense to read the D to see what they are running, snap the ball and in that quick second-second in a half make a decision? That is what we saw in the first two quarters against Washington. What has changed? I have a hard time believing that the Chiefs covered every single player that was available, there had to be a checkdown or two or more around. I guess we will get the breakdown in a few days or so.

            O-Line had it s moments, but yeah the right side of this line was burned all day. Herramans has looked really bad so far and even Peters was hit or miss last night. Maybe its the effect of 3 in 11 that set in..whatevs..give the players a weekend and get back to work on Tuesday. Reid beat the Eagles with a team that Piolo/Crennel/Haley built. Eagles lost with a Reid team, not a Chip Kelly team.

          • nicksaenz1

            Your last two sentences are perfectly stated. Reid very well may ruin that team in 5 years.

          • Joe H

            KC was 2-14 last year, so I don’tquiteI if Reid can ruin the team worse than last year!

          • nicksaenz1

            Took him 14 years to bring us down to 4-12, so you’re probably right. I was just noting that he hasn’t had the necessary time to allow his terrible drafting to ruin it.

          • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

            Vick didn’t turn the ball over under pressure. That was the problem. The pressure was a problem, primarily in getting him sacked and forcing 3 and outs.

            But that wasn’t VIck’s problem last night. His errors were unforced. THAT was the problem. He wasn’t under pressure on either of his two interceptions. Johnson and Kelce were under no pressure either.

            “Chiefs covered every single player that was available, there had to be a checkdown or two or more around”

            There wasn’t. The Chiefs sat on the the short routes. Vick would look for the bubble screen and often it wasn’t there. Our guys weren’t getting separation. It wasn’t a scheme issue it was an execution issue.

          • Adam

            It’s pretty crazy how you could see every single receiver on every single play, and that they were always all covered. You get the All-22 cameras live or something?

          • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

            - Now you’re just being a smart@ss.

            - If you watched the game and listened to the commentary you know receivers were covered more often than not. And couldn’t get any separation. A gimpy whats-his-name kept Cooper in check. There’s a reason you didn’t hear any TE’s name.

            - You also know that the short game was mostly taken away. There were also bad throws and dropped passes to add to the mess.

          • Always Hopeful

            Maybe it’s deeper than just an execution issue. It seems like it’s also a personnel issue. Vick, McCoy and Jackson and who else? Celek, Casey and Ertz? Cooper and Johnson are not NFL play makers.

            Poor execution coupled with marginal NFL talent is not a good combo.

          • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

            It’s a personnel issue. We don’t have the talent at WR. The Maclin injury is/was KILLER. And we finally felt it. Only took 3 games.

            SMH

          • Always Hopeful

            Maclin and Benn. Benn was more of a “underachieving” wild card, but I assume HE would have replaced Maclin before Cooper. Cooper is what he is: a mediocre professional WR. He hasn’t played above his 5th round draft status and there’s no shame in that, it just won’t help the team very much when we need him to play like a solid NFL #2 WR.

        • defroe81

          what did they do make special teams suck and turn the ball over? make vick throw int’s? make kelce mess up the snap? its not like they forced 5 turnovers more like we gave them the game.

      • G_WallyHunter

        respective opponents?

  • pjcostello

    Chip Kelly’s offense didn’t fumble the opening punt, didn’t bounce footballs off helmets, and didn’t allow an 8-minute drive to ice the game. The Eagles were sloppy and uncoordinated in all three phases of the game — I place that blame suarely on the shoulders of the head coach, but it’s not the fault of his offensive design or schemes.

    • anon

      i’d stop you right after “head coach”.

    • BlindChow

      And, most importantly, his offense wasn’t even around when the Eagles did these same things the last two years.

  • Ahab

    Does Phil Sheridan really believe what he writes? Is he incapable of analytical thought? Does he even watch the games? This loss was about execution, not scheme.

    • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

      Sheridan is a jack@ss. The end.

    • nicksaenz1

      Gotta keep the network happy. No one wants to talk about execution, that ship sailed after the last two years. There’s something new in town and ESPN loves nothing more than to beat a dead horse.

  • evanphilly

    The thing that stings about this loss is that its on a Thursday, so we are going to be hearing about this loss until Monday at the latest. Just hope that this first year ends quickly so Chip can turn the roster over the way it needs to be.

  • knighn

    Let me sum up every Phil Sheridan article:
    “Look! I can write words!”

  • Adam

    If we make Eddie Royal and Donnie Avery look this good I’m scared to think what Thomas and Decker are going to do.

    The Eagles can’t lose games that their D shows up in, because those are going to be few and far between. I don’t care how bad they look in the 4th quarter, they did enough in the first 3 that an offense built to score like Chip’s should have buried the game.

    Simply another winnable game the Eagles lost, but this stuff will take time.

    • aub32

      I’m more scared of what Welker will do to us. We shut out Bowe until that final drive. Our biggest weakness is the middle of the field. We keep letting receivers, TEs, and backs get free releases to the inside and don’t break quickly enough on the routes to have any chance of breaking up the pass. Then we either get blocked or miss tackles.

      • Adam

        Peyton and co. are going to eat us alive.

        Edit: I meant Welker, not sure why I put Decker in there. But any of them could light us up.

        • aub32

          Let’s hope they’re dumb enough to put Champ Bailey on DeSean. We are going to need him to have a better game than he did against SD just to keep us anywhere close.

          • All In Eagles

            I hate being Debbie Downer but we have a very very small chance of winning our next game. I really figured this KC game was very important so we could go into Denver at 2-1. As much as it upsets me to sit through a game watching what I just watched, I’m sort of ok with it. We have to remember that before this season started we knew it was going to be very tough to compete considering what our personnel was. And yes, it’s a bit concerning watching Vick fall over himself (did it twice) and throw some really bad passes (almost 4 picks).

          • aub32

            You’re not being negative at all. I also think it’s highly unlikely we beat Denver next week, but I do have hopes that our offense bouces back given a few positives:
            1) We have a mini bye to rest and make adjustments.

            2) Denver doesn’t have near the pass rush that KC has.

            3) DJax will have an easier matchup (Champ Bailey can’t run and DRC can’t tackle)

            Our defense will undoubtedly get caarved up, but Denver has had two very slow starts against two teams that aren’t that good. If we can get out to an early lead, hopefully our D line can take advantages of the injuries across the Denver O line. This could result in either pressure/sacks or keeping Julius Thomas in to block and consequently not catching passes over the middle. We shut down Bowe last night. Whether that was becasue Smith was too conservative or that Fletcher was able to blanket him, I’m not sure. Our biggest concern needs to be Welker. we can’t let him catch the underneath untouched and then rack up yards after the catch.

            Again, this gameplan only works if we out excute and don’t turn the ball over. I doubt we get it done, but we could at least make it a game. I like our offense verses Denver’s defense. I don’t like our defense in this game, but we should be able to muster up some pressure with Clady out.

          • nicksaenz1

            To the Bowe point, Andy has shut him down by virtue of his offense. I have Bowe in two fantasy leagues, and while the TD he caught against Dallas was nice, he still only had 4 catches for 56 yards in that game. Andy’s keeping everything short and checkdown for Smith, much to Bowe’s detriment. Andy’s going to have to let Smith open up a little bit or Bowe is going to be unhappy, again.

          • aub32

            Cooper for Bowe straight up?

          • nicksaenz1

            Might as well with how Andy’s using him. They had virtually the same stat line last night lol

          • aub32

            I think Coop had more yards. Howie needs to see if Reid will take Cooper and an injured Maclin for old times sake. We could even throw in Nate Allen, or would that ruin the deal.

          • nicksaenz1

            It might ruin it, throw in Casey Matthews to sweeten the package.

          • Always Hopeful

            The offense MUST be the lead dog on this team. The defense played well considering the bind the offense kept putting them in. This is NOT a shut down defense, but if the offense does it’s job it “should” make it easier for the defense.

            We really need to see the offense show and prove in Denver.

            I wondered this before, but is it possible to recreate the thin air of Denver in practice :-)

          • nicksaenz1

            The team should travel on Wed or Thursday of next week and do a little extra cardio this weekend.

          • aub32

            It’s a long week. Why not take the weekend off and head over Monday morning.

          • nicksaenz1

            I dig it. Rest is needed so I like that idea better.

          • Warhound

            Saturday

          • Andy124

            I read that the thin air actually has its biggest negative impact on you from days 3-7. They’d need to get there a couple weeks early or just stick to the usual schedule.

          • Warhound

            Takes a week to start to acclimate.

          • morgan c

            Not really sure why we are wishing for Champ Bailey? Last I checked, he was a first ballot HoFer, and was still damn good last year when he played, minus getting abused by some physical receivers (Torrey Smith). He will completely take Jackson out of the game, because he has smarts, and Jackson has no physicality. I’d rather see him get the ball on screens and run right at DRC.

          • All In Eagles

            I hate being Debbie Downer but we have a very very small chance of winning our next game. I really figured this KC game was very important so we could go into Denver at 2-1. As much as it upsets me to sit through a game watching what I just watched, I’m sort of ok with it. We have to remember that before this season started we knew it was going to be very tough to compete considering what our personnel was. And yes, it’s a bit concerning watching Vick fall over himself (did it twice) and throw some really bad passes (almost 4 picks).

      • nicksaenz1

        After reading his post my first thought was that he forgot Welker, who’s poised for a career day after seeing what Royal and Avery have done to us.

      • morgan c

        Welker will have 12+ catches for 150+ yards. Guaranteed. We have shown conclusively that we can’t cover the middle of the field and the slot (Avery, Charles, Roya). Oh man, this is going to be ugly

  • Joe Jones

    Vick didnt play well last night,,,,,the offensive line didnt play well last night…..Rueben Frank cites Vick’s 5 sacks as part of his regression…really? I would think that was part of the regression of the line. Vick didnt have a good game, but lets not get to the point where everything is his fault, including a porous line.

    its not an excuse, its an causal relationship.

    • aub32

      Come on Joe. You should know by now that DJ2 dropping the punt would be blamed on Vick if some of these fans and media guys could figure out a way. You’re right that Vick had his issues, and those 2 picks are definitely on him. However, it’s not like he got much help from the O line or WRs getting open.

  • Joe Jones

    Vick didnt play well last night,,,,,the offensive line didnt play well last night…..Rueben Frank cites Vick’s 5 sacks as part of his regression…really? I would think that was part of the regression of the line. Vick didnt have a good game, but lets not get to the point where everything is his fault, including a porous line.

    its not an excuse, its an causal relationship.

    • aub32

      Come on Joe. You should know by now that DJ2 dropping the punt would be blamed on Vick if some of these fans and media guys could figure out a way. You’re right that Vick had his issues, and those 2 picks are definitely on him. However, it’s not like he got much help from the O line or WRs getting open.

    • Andy124

      Some sacks are on the line, some are on the QB. Last night was no different. Plenty of blame to go around.

      • aub32

        I didn’t see too many sacks that were on Vick last night. I agree in the past he’s had an issue holding onto the ball, but he just seemed to either have a guy in his lap or no one to throw to last night.

      • aub32

        I didn’t see too many sacks that were on Vick last night. I agree in the past he’s had an issue holding onto the ball, but he just seemed to either have a guy in his lap or no one to throw to last night.

        • Andy124

          How many is too many?

          • aub32

            I don’t know if any were on him to be honest. I’m not saying all were on the O line. Some were on the coverage. We can’t call for Vick to take the sack over making a dumb decision, then blame him for the sack. Of course I’d have to see the All 22 to know if guys were open when he was taking sacks.

          • Andy124

            Agreed that we can’t tell for sure by watching from our couches.
            So in that instance, I’ll assume that what is almost always the case is in fact reality, that some of the sacks were on the line and some on the qb.

            If you want to assume the exception to the exclusion of the typical in order to defend your guy who apparently shouldn’t shoulder even part of the blame, that’s on you.

          • aub32

            I don’t think my opinion is me “protecting my guy”. The game coverage showed time and time again that there was no one open almost ever. Also, the O line was getting beat all night. Can you specifically point out a sack where you thought Vick held onto the ball too long? If not, then you are just sticking with old rhetoric and assuming instead of actually paying attention to the game. Phil Sheridan? Is that you playa?

          • Andy124

            We both admit that we can’t KNOW where the responsibility lies just from watching the game live, so we’re making assumptions. You said so yourself. The difference between us is that I’m assumping the typical (aka old rhetoric) whereas you choose to assume the atypical.

          • aub32

            What I am denying is that your opinion is less typical and more rhetoric, but we can agree to disagree here. We will find out later this week when the All 22 breakdown comes out and revisit this then. That is if both of us don’t have actual life happen and quickly forget this silly debate over semantics because truth be told the entire offense outside of Shady and Avant had a poor showing last night.

          • Andy124

            Yup. I think this is actually the first day I’ve had time to post here (outside of game day) in two weeks. And that time will quickly disappear if a few other people will do their freaking jobs.

          • aub32

            LMAO that’s hilarious. I’m in the exact same boat waiting on other people so I can get some actual work done.

          • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

            Vick was getting hit before he hit the top of his drop A LOT. Many of the sacks were on the OL.

          • aub32

            I don’t know if any were on him to be honest. I’m not saying all were on the O line. Some were on the coverage. We can’t call for Vick to take the sack over making a dumb decision, then blame him for the sack. Of course I’d have to see the All 22 to know if guys were open when he was taking sacks.

    • KobraKai7474

      Unless you are breaking down film and isolating each player on each sack, it isn’t always obvious who is at fault. I suspect that, once all is said and done, we will learn that some of sacks were on Vick for not getting the throw off and some were on the O-line for not keeping the pressure off…. and on at least a few, I am sure KC’s coverage played a role. That is the nature of the beast.

      • defroe81

        the int’s vicks fault throwing into coverage but i wont lie the o-line got manhandled so the sacks were on them.

  • Bird of Prey

    I have to give the devil his due and say the defense play pretty well, considering what it was up against. That being said, Sheridan always said some dopey stuff while he was here, why should it change now? We need a QB, period. Mike Vick, you are who we thought you are. You keep fooling us from time to time, but the pattern has always been the same, a great game, then a great statistical game, then exposure as a guy who can’t make quick reads, has to wait for his receivers to get open, and by that time he comes under duress so he makes a poor decision and throw. He was so bad with his reads last night, he had guys wide open running free 10 to 15 yards down field and instead threw into it to someone 30 yards down field in double coverage. And did it repeatedly. Kelly’s offense or anybody’s offense can’t work or be consistent if the OB isn’t.

    • aub32

      When did you see anyone running wide open? Were you watching the same game? Everyone was pretty much blanketed all night. I’d argue that Vick should have tucked and ran a little more to keep the defense from playing so much man, but to argue he wasn’t seeing open receivers is silly.

      • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

        It’s SOOOO funny looking at the Vick “haters” even screw up the critique of Vick’s bad play. Like he gave you plenty to complain about and folk complaining about the wrong thing. lol

        It’s like folk have a list of Vick complaints and trot them out whenever things go wrong regardless of what actually happened. Priceless.

        • aub32

          People see Vick have a poor game and assume it’s all the same mistakes talked up by the natioanl media. Vick played a poor game, but it was because he made a poor decision (first pick) and a bad throw (second pick). However, he also didn’t have much help, which resulted in him trying to force things. There weren’t people funning wide open that he didn’t look at though.

        • Bird of Prey

          Or Vick apologists. Or analysts, or anybody else who has a valid opinion. Stats don’t lie, nor does the all 22 or your DVR. Watch the game.

          • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

            Did you read what I wrote?

            No.

            Yeah.

      • anon

        Yeah should have busted off more of those 60 yd runs.

      • Bird of Prey

        Hmm, do you watch the field or the ball? Are the commentators correct or not? I’m speaking on two drives in the second quarter in particular, if you have a DVR take a look before you start passing other people’s views. Even Mayock was commenting on this the whole game.

        • aub32

          I wish I had DVR but I did watch the entire game in detail. Cooper was blanketed. This was shown time and time again. Our TEs were also very well covered. The only one I coldn’t see every time was DJax, but KC had him matched up with Flowers all night with help. From what I viewed, there were open rush lanes that Vick could have taken advantage of, but there weren’t many open receivers. Nor was that highlighted by Mayock. I also, haven’t seen anyone but you make that argument. So again I ask what you were watching.

        • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

          Um..Mayok even said the receivers were covered and no one was open. I think there was a play DeSean may have been open, but I also don’t think Vick had time to make that throw.

          There were running lanes open. I’m convinced he was a bit hurt ’cause after the first two runs he didn’t even try to make them.

      • nicksaenz1

        I’ll be honest, there were 3-4 plays where I saw a couple of dudes who broke open that Vick missed. There was one throw, maybe inthe 3rd, where Desean ran a drag, Vick had left the pocket to the left, and as he was about to throw Desean cut upfield but Vick went deep to a dude who was blanketed by Berry. That’s just an example. There were definitely a couple more.

        EDIT: In fairness, though, that’s roughly 10% of the passing plays that it occurred, so I don’t mean it to come off as this crushing indictment of Vick’s play. Wasn’t a good game for anyone on offense in the passing game.

        • aub32

          Was this a broken play or designed roll out. I am not making excuses, but I really don’t fault any QB for not seeing open guys while running for their life. At that point it’s street ball, and you really don’t know where guys are going. Though I may have missed seeing Jackson open.

  • egills

    questions on the game…1. when will vick learn from his mistakes? 2. why cant this team tackle? 3. what is jeff maehls value on this team ? 4. where is d johnson on offense? 5. why does curry only get 12 snaps? 6. how can you have the two worst safetys in the league? 7. why does kendricks look like a pro bowler one play and a draft bust the next all game long? 8. what is it about 3rd and long that the d cant stop? coaching or players?

    • aub32

      In response to question 8. Is it weird that I was hoping for 3rd and 2 more than 3rd and 15 last night?

      • nicksaenz1

        Not at all. Totally picked up on that. We were money in short yardage situation. If more than 3 yards were needed we found a way to shoot ourselves in the foot, but 3 or less and no one could get anywhere.

        • egills

          same here. we can stop charles on 3rd and 1 but 3rd and fifteen we drop all the way back to the first down sticks and try to build a wall for them to try to get through. embarassing.

  • Brian

    I don’t see how Kelly’s schemes are at fault. When a team turns the ball over 5 times, gives up 5 sacks, and completes 41% of their passes, they will lose. The Eagles are better than the Chiefs, but they played without focus. Maybe it was the wrong game to retire McNabb’s jersey?

    • cliff henny

      it’s not kelly’s schemes…it really hard to lose when rushing for 250+, but god bless our eagles, they found a way. defense, he just doesnt have the players. 4-5 yrs of mismanagement, cant be undone in 1 offseason, then top it off with new scheme.

      • Brian

        This loss can’t be put on the defense. 1st half Drives – Muffed punt, Interception, Punt, Touchdown, Fumble, Punt, Interception, Punt. 13 for 30.

        • cliff henny

          wasnt blaming defense at all. saying anytime a team switched 4-3 to 3-4, it takes a yr, and it’s not like he’s working with elite nfl talent. on offense, just dont understand how talking heads are questioning kelly’s scheme. offense is working, just not converting. it’s 3 games.

          • Brian

            All true.

  • cliff henny

    just have to remember, it’s only game 3. defense is getting little better(looooong way to go) and offense works. shady averages near 8, add in vicks runs, 260 on ground. when you have that, something to build on. defense gave up 19 with 4 TOs and kickoff returned to midfield, i’ll take that, overall. but must be something in water at nocare center, turns every opponents slot recr and TE into pro bowlers, has for 10 yrs.

    • Always Hopeful

      Ha, we’ve revived the careers of Eddie Royal and Donnie Avery, both DeSean Jackson wanna bes :-)

    • Warhound

      Yeah, but oddly, not ours!

  • aub32

    This is off topic but who the heck was the announcer next to Mayock, and who is he related to to have gotten his job. He was awful all night. At one point 34 for the Chiefs had a nice run and he called out Bryce Brown. He also couldn’t call the right down and distance, and he would read out stats that were on the screen and be completely wrong.

    • cliff henny

      the whole thursday night football is a crime. to the players and the fans. glad eagles game is done and gone.

      • Warhound

        Thursday games would be great if entire div had bye the same week and then played each other on the Wed and Thurs after the bye and then all four teams played div games again the next Sunday.

  • KobraKai7474

    I don’t know that last night was the result of “the system” or even of poor game planning. The simple fact was that the team was just out of sorts…. yes, Vick looked awful, but not all those turnovers were his fault, nor were all the sacks. The defense, while obviously better than last week was far from perfect, too.

    Bottom line is that the Eagles were not as mentally prepared as the Chiefs. Coming back from a tough loss on a short week is not easy for any team, and, for a rookie coach, maybe Kelly dropped the ball on that aspect of things. Say what you want about Andy Reid, but, except for last year’s death spiral, he ALWAYS had the Eagles ready to play n

    • Warhound

      It seemed as if the Birds were the ones who traveled on a short week. Esp the O-line.

  • ian

    Sheridan is an idiot. A QB throws 2 BAD interceptions, you have a muffed punt and a total of 5 turnovers and the defense has figured out the offense? Shady put up 158 yards. If Vick threw for even 55% the team would have put up at least one more score. The eagles lead the league in 20+ yd plays. I dont think the offense has been figured out. I think the players were in their heads about Reid coming back and it showed.

    • KobraKai7474

      Agreed, but, buried in Sheridan’s hyperbole is a reasonable point: With each game, opposing teams will have more film of this offense and more film of opposing defenses trying things to stop it. Over time, this WILL make it more difficult for the Eagles to do what they did to Washington. Yes, there is no reason to think Kelly won’t keep making sufficient game-to-game adjustments to keep half a step ahead of most defenses, but the days of just overwhelming and embarassing a confused team like the Eagles did on opening night are almost certainly gone.

      • aub32

        I think the thing defenses will figure out is that Chip’s scheme is not this trickery, gimmicky college offense that most pundits would try to make you believe. They find out the key to beating this offense is execution. Stack the box, and it makes it harder for Shady to run. Collapse the pocket and it makes it harder for Vick to pass. Blanket Cooper in man coverage and it makes it easier to key in on DeSean. Luckily not every defense has the personnel to do all those things simultaneously. For those that can, we need Vick to either run or Shady to break a few ankles. 2 of our big 3 had poor games, and that’s not going to cut it when facing better teams.

  • KobraKai7474

    I think there are two important takeaways from the Eagles start. 1. Washington is godawful (and that is a good thing), and 2. The Eagles are what we should have expected them to be: A rebuilding team under a new coach that is going to take some time…. at least half a season…. to really “get it”. If anything, the are a bit ahead of the schedule we should have expected them to be on.

  • Cyrus Robinson

    Honestly, I think if Maclin hadn’t gone down, we’d be 3-0 right now. Everybody talks about how the Eagles have the big 3 of DeSean, Vick, and McCoy. Well, we were supposed to have the big 4! Remember that it has been debatable for years who is the best WR in Philly, with many people feeling that Maclin is better. If he comes back healthy next year, the defense continues to solidify, and we have a good draft, I don’t see why we can’t be a top 10 team next year.
    The Eagles have not been outmatched in any of the games they’ve played. The toughest opponent was the Chargers, and the Chargers knew Billy Davis and his scheme well due to Whisenhunt, and they may even make some noise this year (especially given the LFF Blessing, where whoever plays against the Eagles in the home opener wins the Super Bowl). Last night we lost a game to a coach who knew the majority of the players like the back of his hand, yet the Eagles only lost due to careless mistake after careless mistake. Heck, if Barwin catches that quick out and runs it back, there’s a 10 point differential right there.
    The Eagles have a new scheme, new coach, some new personnel, and played 3 games in 11 days yet we’re all surprised they’re making mental errors.
    All this talk of how the sky is falling yet we’re only .5 games out of first place right now with the other teams playing badly too. The Redskins started off slowly last year too. This is the NFC East, anything can happen.

  • Chali

    I have to blame the full moon. The whole team looked terrible. Offense played great last week and Defense sucked now the Offense played awful and the Defense was ok. I’ve defended Vick in the past, but there is no defending this. It is also time to realize that Desean Jackson is a one trick pony. #1 receivers don’t go missing for a week. Avant was our #1 last night. Vick had nowhere to go with the ball, the receivers sucked so bad. Vick also cannot just throw the ball if the receiver is not open. I don’t know what other option is there for Vick if no receiver is open, continuously throw it away or take the sack or tuck and run? This was total garbage last night.

  • philliesfan136

    F#&k Rick Burkholder! Dude is a punk ass Philadelphia traitor….bad mouthing phila and it’s fans! Only wish it was winter time and he could of got a few welcome home snowballs ( with a few aa batteries inside. )

  • nicksaenz1

    Slightly broken, however, Desean was dragging to the same side of the field Vick rolled to, and was 10-15yds in front of him when he cut upfield, certainly in the line of sight of Vick to make an adjustment and hit Desean for a 20yd gain.

  • aub32

    I missed this, but again broken plays are hard. I don’t know too many QBs that can go through progressions while running for their life. It’s likely he just locked onto one option. I am not making excuses That’s how I would judge every QB. Were there any instances in the pocket?

  • nicksaenz1

    I wanna say there was one maybe two, but I can’t remember, to be honest. Even if there was, it’s possible that the pocket didn’t stay formed long enough for him to make the read. The one I described really stuck out because I flipped out more than the other few instances.

  • Warhound

    I cannot believe that when in he wrote for the Bucks County Courier Times in the early ’80s I thought he had potential, sheesh.

  • Richaud Jeaffreson

    Oh. That’s easy. Let’s just call up the “burner” hotline, and get one for next week.

  • philliesfan136

    Take a flyer on Kerry Rhodes and T.O. At least you will look like your not trying to win the Terry Bridgewater bowl! Miss ya Maclin.

  • jon h

    burner = fast guy. I thought our punt returner was one of the fastest guys in the league – put him there instead of cooper.

  • philliesfan136

    Two missed field goals ( both makeable !) Couldn’t hold onto fumble on kickoff and horse collar. This dude better hit the weight room, big time, he is the definition of a pencil neck!! Also , here we go again with the coach protecting the under achieving players…..what ever happened to coaches cutting ( A ) player for ” bad play “, but more importantly ” to make a point ” to the rest of the team!

  • philliesfan136

    Looked great …….. especially on the Chiefs final, back breaking, clock killing, 8 minute and 15 second drive.

  • philliesfan136

    I would not be surprised if the Chiefs were in the playoffs and win a playoff game this year. Their defense is loaded with talent ….. much like the Eagles between 2001 and 2005. Andy does well with talented players …. he just can’t pick them.