Mid-Century Modern Masterpiece by Jules Gregory and George Nakashima Drops Below $1M

Jules Gregory was a prominent mid-century modern architect, and like Frank Lloyd Wright, Louis Kahn, and George Nakashima, he has a significant legacy in the New York/NJ/Pennsylvania area. This home on Goat Hill Road in the riverside town of Lambertville, NJ (across the bridge from New Hope) was designed by Gregory for himself. As Henry Kuryla wrote last month in Aspire Metro:

Architects throughout the course of their careers design many masterworks for others, but often their pièce de résistance is the home they create for themselves. Such is the case for the previous home of the noted Mid-Century Modern architect Jules Gregory in Lambertville, NJ.

Gregory designed the house in 1960; in 1961, it was named one of the top 10 homes in the country by Architectural Record. As with local homes by Louis Kahn, this one pays keen attention to the resident’s connection with nature–and there’s a lot of room for such a link to be made: 10 wooded acres, in fact. (The main home and a 1,200-square-foot guest home–formerly Gregory’s studio–are separated by a footbridge over a stream.)

The roughly 1,600-square-foot, four-bedroom house would be considered very eco-friendly these days. It’s made from organic materials, and its most special features were locally sourced–from the imagination of New Hope’s George Nakashima.

The home is currently owned by mid-century modern furniture dealer Benjamin Storck, who is only its second owner. It has been on and off the market in the past year. It was listed in January 2012 for 1.25 million and has been on and off the market since. This is the first time the price has dipped beneath $1 million–an ask that was appended on June 28th. It’s now $999,000.

These photos are from different periods in the property’s lifetime. The last two images in the gallery are the floor plans for the main house and the guest house.



The Home that Architect Jules Gregory Built for Himself [Aspire metro]
315 Goat Hill Rd., Lambertville, NJ 08530

  • Dutch

    Fantastic play from all three phases of the team. Very impressed with the run defense against Washington. Griffin may have been rusty but the efforts to stop the run was exceptional and a credit to coaching and player determination. Lead by Williams, that defense played inspired ball.

    Really impressive was the sacks and tackles for loss. I liked how disciplined this unit played at time. Good to see how they pursued the ball carrier, stringing out the play each man being loyal to his gap, while the safeties come up to clean up.

    I never doubted the offense, for a while there this looked like a duplicate of that MNF game in 2010 but the defense snatched attention with crazy play like that laying out interception by Cary Williams, and I for one didn’t think he had a play like that in him. He ended with a sack and a critical pass defended as well. I’m stunned.

  • ron ross

    Pretty good first game. our D needs some more work. we can not let teams come back. when we have them on the ropes gasping for air, we have to knock them the hell out. stay hungry at all times each and every play until we win the superbowl. follow Ray Lewis’s example of being hard nose.

  • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

    Chargers came out hot against the Houston…Houston eventually remembered they were the better team, but I’m guess they are gonna be looking for some redemption against the Eagles. Should be a good time.

  • jabostick

    I hope Cole is this year what DeMeco was last year: lots of concerns in the preseason but when the real games started, super solid, dependable, leader.

    The more dependable Ryans and Cole can be, I think it allows Kendricks to run around like a wild man and be a game changer

  • Will

    Said all along the Front 7 of this Defense flashed beast Mode and was primed to break out… wow they didn’t disappoint!!!!!!!

  • cliff henny

    shakes and 12 hrs sleep trent…king dunlap is up next!

  • Run Eagles Run

    and of course there were lovely commenters here that thought he should be cut… LOL! ACHO STILL A FREE AGENT

  • TXEaglesFan

    There was something about the d in the first half when they lined up that we haven’t seen in years. Dare I say menacing. Barwin looked like he was ready to explode when he lined up. They didn’t look like that much in the second half, but I think Davis wanted to simplify and not show too much. They held on and that was enough. Now about the corners, what is the injury status for Williams, fletcher, and Boykin?

    • cliff henny

      looked to me like a defense that knows it has an offense that can erase any mistakes in 2 mins. played aggressive and looking to make plays. loved fact that ‘skins had trouble once reaching redzone too, plus 2 pnt conversion was blown up. that last 1/3 game defensive strategy was too conservative, along with offense. hopefully kelly learned valuable lesson, in new nfl no lead is safe.

  • hillbillybirdsfan

    I expected the adjustment to the new position to take longer. Kudos to Trent, he looked great last night.

  • anon

    Eagles re-sign Hughes. No Kerry Rhodes (this year)

  • anon

    Someone called into eagles live asking about Kerry Rhodes — our voices are being heard.

  • Syracuse Eagle Fan

    I think Chip really made a lot of fans go “all in” last night. The valid question as posed by a reporter is essentially is it repeatable week in and week out ? I hope so because as fun as it was for the players, as a fan it was exciting as hell!

  • therealpistolp

    Getting the 4 minute O down pact will be key.. Either that or never let up.. We gassed the skins 1st half, had em shell shocked!!

  • Adam

    Haha, reminds me of playing football growing up. I always would wait a week before training camp to start doing cardio and getting in shape.

    I puked. A lot.

  • Kev

    Chip… Love the pace, but Dude, how am I supposed grab another beer or bathroom break… If you blink, you could miss 10 plays… I have to start training never to break the seal. lol.

    • cliff henny

      it’s borderline alcoholic, but pack a cooler next to your chair.

      • morgan c

        borderline?

        • cliff henny

          depends on how packed and what’s in cooler…but yeah, i wouldnt do it infront of a women you are trying to impress

          • cheapmeat

            My wife started my Sunday with bacon, eggs and a yuengling. She smiled at me a said, ‘it’s opening weekend.’

            I’ll leave the moral of the story up to you

    • poetx99

      yooooo! i could NOT get off the couch until end of 1st qtr to get another beer. and i tivo’d it then, b/c i didn’t want twitter to get ahead of me.

      no time to post or tweet or analyze. just machine-gun-like rapid fire playsplaysplays. (hmm. machine gun kelly was already used w/ the k-gun).

      that was amazing.

    • DunedinEagle

      Dude, 2013 called, said get a DVR.

  • EagleDuck

    As a life-long Duck fan (recently migrated Eagle fan (get it?)), let me welcome you to the best football on earth. A word of caution however… You will never be able to enjoy ‘normal’ football again. Huddles make you want to scream in frustration. Timeouts are lemon juice in the proverbial paper-cut. This is your new burden… but it’s all worth it when you watch Chip’s Blur offense completely demoralize the opponent week after week after week.
    Wait til’ they start putting in the 3rd stringers to begin the 3rd quarter because it’s already a 50 point blow-out at the half!

    • DunedinEagle

      I did start to fall asleep a little once the Redskins finally got a drive going.

  • Will

    Eagles were on pace for a 100 offensive plays….crazy fast down to 14 secs in between plays….Love Chip said was kinda slow to him and he was not joking!

  • cliff henny

    hasselback on espn broke down the 4 way option that gruden touched on. kelly is cut-throat, he pick the oldest player, london fletcher, and made him the read and had him covering the most area. cant wait to see who he picks out in chargers…bet defense is going to be flying off rivers’ blind side being manned by king dunlap

  • Will

    Bolt’s at Home at the Linc in 6 days. Coming off tough lose, they only put up 28 points. I really like our chances. Kelly does not back off this time, 45-17 Eagles…our secondary gets tested River’s avoids Carey Williams…

    • Token

      Well to be fair they put up 28 on one of the best Ds in the NFL. But they are coming cross country for a early game. Our home opener. I like our chances.

      • Will

        Our D gets better, Our O is on for 100 plays, no let up! Pass Rush gets there, Eagles pin their ears back and Curry gets his chance to shine!!!!!!!

  • Eoin Cunningham

    I love all the idiots talking about this offense being too dangerous for ‘injury prone’ Mike Vick. He’s never looked safer back there. Couple of rookie mistakes by Lane Johnson resulted in some hits but no more than what Brady gets on an average night.

    • EaglePete

      difference is bigger pocket guys like Brady can handle some damage in a given game. Vick, not just based on his history but his build just appears to be more brittle. That being said, I hate to ever predict injury for any player, its a waste of quality commenting. It could happen to any player, any given time in this league.

      • Dutch

        Brittle is kind of bizarre.

        New England would never put last year’s line around Brady. However, maybe you missed Vick getting dirty and lead blocking last night. ROFL…… how often does Brady get hit or attempt to deliver a hit like Vick, or pulling off down field blocking to help his ball carriers?

        Vick’s only problem in Philly has been his front line protection.

  • Token

    Concussion for Fletcher. So Hughes or Boykin will be on the outside this week.

  • Adam

    I love the national media narritives. First it’s “Will Chip Kelly’s offense work in the NFL?”

    Yes.

    Now it’s “but for how long?!”

    Haters gonna hate.

  • Will

    Ya think everyone would be happy with a Division road win, people gonna hate on Vick and Chip. Sad if your a Eagle’s fan be happy for the team win that’s all that matter’s and look forward to next Sunday Home Opener!

  • Run Eagles Run

    thats right, hedge your bets cool guy. No one is saying we won anything more than the first game. The division looks winable, and we are excited. Go piss on your own blanket.

  • OregonDucker

    In my opinion the Eagles offense cannot be “solved”. Because Stanford had a bigger more athletic DL they restrained the Duck run game. But the Eagles have a dominate OL.

    The only possible D strategy is to have prepackaged sets that confuse the QB. This can work against Vick but Chip will just put in the split line formation to confuse the D or something else totally new.

    Chip’s smarter than the competition, and he has a photographic memory. He knows every formation ever attempted by the D and/or DC in the NFL, college, and high school. Good luck game planning Chip!

  • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

    But they didn’t. And in 2011 and 2012 they would have lost this game. They would have crumbled after the lateral. Some of you “fans” just want to be grumpy.

  • Run Eagles Run

    Maybe because you came off like an accusatory douche instead of saying what you just said. “wow man, you think we just won the super bowl”. Do you think you’re saying anything people dont know? Its the day after a huge season opening road win, after a year of shit. People are happy. What dont you get? Why do you have to come and be a pretentious douche?

    • nicksaenz1

      You have no real argument so you revert to name-calling. Mature. The reason I said what I said is because of people making more of the win than what it was, which I thought I apparent in my statement.

      • Run Eagles Run

        LOL! Not only do you have piss poor reading comprehension, you’re a tool. That’s a hell of a good combo. Best of luck to you, dummy! Keep raining on peoples parades, you must be a hell of a lot of fun at a party. “This is fun, but the party cant sustain this type of enjoyment. You could tell in the last quarter its slowed down>” Nick, just shut up. Do us all a favor. When they lose a game, you can come in and shit on everyone, ok? Then you wont feel so bad about being alone.

  • Run Eagles Run

    “Msg boards are ripe with wannabe I told you so’s.” and so you two dipshits do the same thing but from another angle? do you see why you’re stupid? is it flowing over you yet?

    • EaglePete

      why so defensive, jeez. Hes annoyed that people attack anyone for having some restraint.

  • nicksaenz1

    I thought it was awesome that Henery came back and made that. Good confidence boost to start the year.

    • cliff henny

      my negadelphian came out..i was expecting block kick return td.

  • cliff henny

    i’m excited because of the product we saw on field. i had high expectations of offense, but nothing like that 1st half. vick had 3 or 4 errant throws and an ertz drop with that bs lateral, really should have been 40 if not more. defense looked like a real live defense that wanted to hit people, knew getting sacks and TOs are a good thing again. if anyone thought we’d see anything near that as a starting point, i’m call b-llsh-t on them. great they won. i went from 6 or 7 wins to 9 or 10…and excited to see rivers sprawled out on the linc’s field after dunlap misses cole for the 10th time

  • Corry

    I hope they don’t trade him, but if he has no role on the team then they should try to get some compensation for him. I still find it hard to believe that he can’t find a role on the team even as an interior pass rusher in the nickel.

  • Richard Colton

    really pissed off that i missed the game, but 3 in 11 (as Sheil keeps saying) so that’s good. sounds like the D played well for 3 quarters and the vets: Peters, Celek, Demeco, Sconce, were saving their best for the games that count. I get home on the 14th – fired up for Sunday already.

  • Warhound

    Their was a study done back – wow maybe 10 to 20 yrs ago. Anyway, the week after an NFL team lost the male fans actually had lower testosterone and ’twas up after a win.

  • anon

    Might just have to trade. Sucks but it’s life. Most people aren’t with the employer that took them out of college. I think if we get a DB prospect and Curry can go somewhere that he can start, perfect. I think we have a lot of D-line depth unfortunately, and Kelly isn’t going to keep too many active b/c generally they aren’t rocking ST. Would be nice to see him in a couple of games (which is probably why his agent is making the comment).

  • Brian Reisman

    Vinny can either use this as motivation to prove he deserves to be on the field, or as an excuse. Just look at Trent Cole… an outstanding 4-3 pass rusher… now a stud 3-4 linebacker. Curry should learn from the veteran.

    • Eaglehaslanded

      How can he prove he deserves to be on the field if they don’t allow him on the field to play? He made plays against the run during pre-season, give him a chance. Seriously, what has Cliff Geathers done so special to earn playing time?

  • Bullwinkle

    I don’t get it. NFL teams pass more than they run, especially when they are behind. The Eagles could have used Vinny in the second half last night when the pass rush hit a lull. Vinny was our best pass rusher in the preseason games.

    • Dutch

      I don’t think it’s fair to say the pass rush hit a lull so much as they were flat out gassed in the 4th qt, Chances are Vinny if active would have equally been sucking for air. I do agree it would have been nice to have another dominating pass rusher to chase Griffin. I think that is an adjustment the coaches will have to make. They have horses on that line and if you turn them loose we see they are going to be trouble to contend with. The snap count is going to have to be a factor in keeping these boys fresh.

      Cox managed a sack late in the forth qt and he was double teamed all night. That took so doing.

  • Dutch

    This is crack pot logic……. ROFL

    53 plays in a half is impressive………. The nation of NFL Football Fans are excited after watching such a display and execution of a new scheme. Don’t believe the excitement is regulated to only Eagles Fans……… That’s something that has not been seen very often on a national telecast of a NFL match up.

    Most individuals who understand football know what they seen last night will only get better as the season matures. it’s the first game for christ sake. We were impressed last night, but wait until game 10. Demaris Johnson, in my opinion could duplicate what Desean Jackson did last night.

    I don’t see a problem with plugging and playing guys on the Eagles roster in this system.

    • nicksaenz1

      You completely missed what I said, but keep ROFL-ing.

      • Guest

        .

  • Run Eagles Run

    Someone sounds jealous! Rob, you’re an assclown. Tell me how good nick foles is and how mike vick wont be an eagle again. tool. LOL. You see these two cents you gave me rob? They were most likely at one point up my ass. You’ve been handling my ass pennies rob. You throw them in fountains. You give them to your kids to put in their piggy banks. Pennies that have been up my ass rob. You think you’re better than me? You handle my ass pennies rob!

    • theycallmerob

      therapist on vacation this week I take it?

      • Run Eagles Run

        Rob what you do in your free time is your business, but I would recommend a hooker or a fat girl. Don’t sink to that level bro, thats dark shit. I’ll be praying for you.

        • theycallmerob

          Hate to ruin it for you, but i’m definitely not you’re bro.

          • Run Eagles Run

            thats right, you’re my bitch, now shut your fat mouth and make me a sandwhich.

    • nicksaenz1

      How did the pennies get there?

      • theycallmerob

        message board pwning, of course. it’s the new currency of 12 year olds.

      • Run Eagles Run

        I load them into your moms mouth and she shoots them up there while tonguing my b-hole rim. She was your first lay, you know her tricks.

        • nicksaenz1

          So how did your cornhole get stretched out enough to fit so many up there? Rough stint being Nasty Nate’s prison b*tch?

          • Run Eagles Run

            are you a bunny or just a three year old girl? do you shit raisins? at least try and make sense nick. if you cant be funny, at least make it logical.

          • nicksaenz1

            Bunnies can type? How does one excrete raisins? If you can’t be logical, at least be funny.

          • Run Eagles Run

            Bunnies can type, they run across the keys, and it usually makes about as much sense as what your last few replies have been. get your weight up nick. toodles.

  • Run Eagles Run

    seriously though, totally flattered you decided to open your fat mouth.

  • Dutch

    Even if the Eagles would have loss the game, the pace in which they played was the most impressive fact and the execution in which the offense pulled this off was mind blowing.

    We all could see Griffin wasn’t himself, but he lead a come back to make the game interesting even at half measure. However, that takes nothing away from this being quite the impressive demonstration of Chip Kelly’s offense. Washington could have come back to win, that still would not have upstaged Chip Kelly’s offense and what the nation saw last night.

    • nicksaenz1

      Dutch, I never said it wasn’t, and clearly this point is escaping you. I’m impressed by what I saw, especially since it’s much more than all of us thought, but unlike others commenting, I’m not getting ahead of myself and treating this victory like we’re a SB favorite because of it.

      • Dutch

        It’s nothing to do with the Victory. As I said, the Eagles could have loss and the reviews would have still been the same.

        What the Eagles did last night was beyond comprehension. The win is just icing on the cake.

  • Run Eagles Run

    whys it gotta be black nick? I should have figured you a RACIST

    • nicksaenz1

      I thought you preferred it that way.

  • Dutch

    Who called the 4th Quarter plays?

    it’s not as if the kid calls his own plays……. What would you have had him do conduct a Mutiny?

    How many pass plays did Chip call in the 4th, I think 2 of the 25 total pass plays. LOL

    What game were you watching? sounds like you’re commenting on the Chargers game.

  • nicksaenz1

    I think 53 plays is impressive as well, but I’m not as blown away as you. I’m more impressed with the fact that the offense converted the plays into points, which didn’t happen much in the last years of Andy. I thought the efficiency with which they executed was better than expected and liked that they got Shady involved so much, although I’d be okay if he toned that down to like 23-25 carries a game, because 30 runs a game on a consistent level in the pros is entirely too much due to the injury risk as mentioned above. The most impressive thing was that we were generating turnovers. It’s those turnovers which created the ability for 53 plays to be run, coupled with the fumbled return that allowed to run two straight series. In short, I’m more impressed with the “how” instead of the mere fact that 53 plays were ran.

    That said, we’re completely ignoring that the D got lit up in the second half once Bob III pulled himself together and shook off the rust.

  • Dutch

    As long as the Offensive Line affords Vick and Shady the protection displayed last night there are going to be a lot of fans who dislike Vick miserable this season. Get used to it.

    He will continue to produce 110 QB Ratings, and acceptable to very good completion percentages throwing the ball less than 30 times a game and depending on the run in this scheme one of which he should have always been tasked to manage.

    Last night he hit on 60% of his passes and it was obvious no chemistry had been developed as of yet with his receivers. That was a fascinating first time around the block demonstration. As the season progresses, it’s going to get better. This is only game one.

  • Dutch

    That’s not a new development, the defense hasn’t been capable of holding leads Vick’s given them for 3 years now. It’s never been the offense it’s always been the defense, even when making playoff appearances it’s been the defense that’s folded or in the case of the Green Bay loss, special teams with the Akers 29 and 41 yard field goal misses in 2010

  • FMWarner

    Why are you all so convinced that Curry will play better than those playing ahead of him? Alfred Morris was held to 42 yards and fumbled. I’d say the run was played effectively. This is a guy that barely sniffed the field even when the Eagles ran a 4-3. We don’t see practice every day and we don’t break down tape with the coaches. What makes you so sure that you’re right and they’re wrong?

    • ztom6

      To be fair, Curry looked like a much better player in pre-season this year than he did the year before. He genuinely played like someone worth getting excited about.

  • Bert Lo

    “Washington Ethnic Degradations”…. C’mon, Chuck,that was lame.

  • FMWarner

    THANK YOU. God forbid anyone offers a thoughtful opinion on how the team looked. We’re all happy, we won a division game on the road as an underdog. That doesn’t mean we can’t have legitimate concerns. And most of the concerns offered ARE legitimate. The one that worries me the most is the potential for injury. McCoy was sucking wind out there, Vick was limping and getting hit too much. No matter how good this offense looks, it won’t matter if Shady drops dead in Week 5.

    Being a fan isn’t about blindly dismissing people who don’t think the Eagles are going to be 16-0. The commenters on this board should know that better than anyone considering how negative the offseason was in these parts.

  • FMWarner

    Did the moderator take a day off? It’s hard to talk football with reasonably intelligent people when children are allowed to spray graffiti all over the place.

  • FMWarner

    There may actually be room to go faster. The Eagles ran 77 plays, 53 in the first half, but that is a wildly misleading figure. The Eagles essentially opened the game with FIVE possessions in a row due to the defensive TD, fumble, INT, and safety.

    • ThanksUnclePhil

      This is what OR stats show almost every game. Massive yardage, most scoring drives under 3 minutes, up by 30 and then stepping off the peddle and trying to kill the second half…. It can make the D look like they’re slacking, stat-wise…

  • mksp

    Curry seems like a good kid, but you conspiracy theorists are out of your mind. Coaches are clearly going to put the best team on the field that they can (and yes, that means making decisions like cutting future HOF-er Emmanuel Acho). This is now the 2nd head coach and 2nd DC that has made Curry an inactive.

    Vinny is clearly not doing what it takes to get on the field. He seems like he has a ton of talent, so hopefully he figures it out and the eagles are able to unleash him.

    And if not, hopefully we can get a 3rd or 4th round pick for him.

  • Cyrus Robinson

    Well, we gained a great player due to a team changing schemes (DeMeco Ryans), maybe it’s time we give up a player with great potential due to a scheme change…
    Curry can play. For his own sake, he should play somewhere where he can be utilized, like Clemons out in Seattle.

  • Will

    It’s gotta be Chip Kelly plans an attack then uses best player’s to carry it out. I wonder if Vinny Curry owned King Dunlap in practice? or Brandon Graham for that matter? Phillip Rivers of the Bolts likes to pass a lot….

  • hokieduck

    Oregon played Stanford with the D line all true freshman. The defense was suffering from serious injuries both in the line and in the secondary. The offense had an off night. Still, the game should have been won. Two missed FGs and a loss in OT.

    Everyone is picking Stanford to win the Pac12 this year. Not.

  • Will

    I just saw one of the most exciting half of a football game in 41 years of watching the sport. Can’t wait till Sunday….Amazing…

  • kp1022

    Dude (and all who can’t resist with the “but…”) talk, no one here thinks this team is a legit contender at this present moment. But how you/anyone can not be looking at the big picture here is crazy to me. Put it this way: there is zero doubt that every single franchises fanbase –and ownership/front office too for that matter– save for a couple of the elites(and even they would at least consider it) would take Chip Kelly right here right now no questions asked for their team going forward.

    Frankly, I don’t really give 2 shits what our record is this season. I mean obviously on Sundays in the heat of the moment I’ll be living and dying several times over during those 3-4 hrs. But beyond that, it won’t matter to me really. Because I know the upward trajectory we’re on is steeper/faster than anyone else right now. All the implementation of various foundational elements like his overall system/concepts, daily practice routine, SCIENCE-based methods, etc hasn’t even had a chance to fully develop/settle yet. And that’s not even mentioning perhaps the most important thing: PLAYERS. Going forward this roster will continue to evolve and be fine-tuned to fit optimally with what Chip wants.

    It’s legitimately encouraging and FUN to be a fan of this team. Enjoyment of the present product and healthy optimism with an eye to where we’re headed should be the baseline for Eagles fans right now.

  • therealpistolp

    I need curry and Casey to stop crying about PT after a win… Save that for the mike Wallace’s out there.. We Rollin right now… Is it just me or is lawlor,, oh never mind… Think it’s hard for “experts” to accept that they are wrong??

  • GiveMeABreak

    Another in the long line of draft busts. If he could play, he would be out there. Exhibition game heroics are obviously not a good barometer of his ability.

  • Will

    Yup hate to use Andy’s words but Curry is a High Motor guy, brings it all day, all Game!

  • Dutch

    Exceptional effort from the Offensive Line. As this line goes so goes the Eagles. Johnson performed well against a very tough opponent. I was impressed he held his own against All Pro Kerrigan. One play Redskins ran a picture perfect scrape with the inside linebacker looping around Kerrigan for a sack. A lot of the miscues within the Offensive Line aren’t catastrophe and can be cleaned up once tapes are reviewed.

    More impressive was the speed and precision of which the Eagles ran that offense first time around the block. There weren’t many if any problems with penalties and procedure calls. It looked like the Eagles had been running this scheme for more than the 90 days they were exposed to this system in training camp.

    • All In Eagles

      That’s the beauty of this, they can only improve. And all the analysts saying SD now has tape and everyone will figure it out and it can’t last, bla bla bla. This was day 1 for all those guys in this scheme.

  • Will

    Loved the sack by Kendricks on RGIII, Spectacular play out of him all game!

    • G_WallyHunter

      Should be a highlight for eagles/skins rivalry for years to come lol
      WWF style body slam

    • Eoin Cunningham

      I loved that play but watching Kelce pancake the sh*t out of the great London Fletcher was incredible. London Bridge is falling down…

  • aub32

    Not to try and troll here, but does anyone else still want to say that Avant looks anything like Boldin-light? The one time he tries fighting for extra yards and he fumbles. The guy is good at what he does, but can we please stop giving him more credit than he deserves as a decent possesion receiver.

    • jabostick

      The fumble was disappointing but I think Avant is great at what he does – he blocks well, great leader, and he’s a super dependable guy on 3rd down that (I’d bold this if I knew how) the QBs all seem to really trust. Normally he has fantastic hands as well (which is likely where the trust comes from).

      I get what you’re saying but he’s more than just a possession receiver imo.

  • therevxxx

    no mention of ertz dropped passes? or did I miss that? I am still concerned about his play so far. A lot of dropped passes in preseason and now I think (2) (or was it one) dropped passes in the opener.

    • BlindChow

      I don’t remember any dropped passes. Only over-throws.

      • therevxxx

        i would say that the play chip challenged was a drop, no?

        • Adam

          Clear pass interference too, the corner was on his back way before the ball was in the air.

        • Warhound

          Looking for a Chip error? That challenge was one of the few.

  • usmcnole

    Dear Michael Vick,

    You are no Vonta Leach. Please do not try to block people like you are. If you want to help with a “block”, please just merely stand in the defender’s way kinda like a moving screen in basketball. – Eagles fans

    PS work on your baseball slide

    • aub32

      I don’t even think he should be setting picks. They can’t go through you in basketball. Try setting a pick against Clay Matthews and see what happens. Vick was lucky that none of the Washington players have that mean streak you see out of some of the more noteworthy defenders.

      • anon

        They were probably too tired to hit hard.

        • cliff henny

          too surprised to. didnt know it was vick was blocking them till play was over. it’s not like he was being asked to seal back edge on lbrs. i could do without it, but cant see how that exposes vick. if that knocks him out, then it really is ‘just a matter of time’ with him

          • anon

            I think CK knows Vick won’t be there 16 games, seemed pretty matter of fact about it in the press conference. I think there’s things you can do to make him play safer, but to an extent you gotta let him do his thing and tell Foles to get his arm strength up.

          • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

            Exactly.

            Kelly is simply we gona ride Vick ’till the whells fall off and hopefully we have 10 wins by the time it does.

            But dude gotta stop blocking for folk. SMH

          • aub32

            I think it did catch some players off guard, and as a result you saw them pull up. That won’t work against more aggressive and physical defenses and players that would salivate at the chance to hit a QB trying to set a pick for the RB.

          • cliff henny

            as long as he only blocks when the play side is reversed, it should be ok. defenders are looking out for blind side kill blocks. think you are giving dfenders too much credit for that quick of thinking and recognition. as long as it’s out in space too, he can just pushoff and get out of the way. it’s not ideal, but really he shouldnt be getting hurt making weak open field blocks. sure kelly had good talk with him, doubt we’ll see it again. chalk it up to 1st game energy.

          • aub32

            Again, I’m not referring to all defenders. As you can see, his blockin was effective Monday night. I’m referrign strictly to the Clay Matthews and DaMarcus Wares of the world. Those players process information and play at another level. You think that if Vick continues to block that they won’t see that on film and make it their primary goal to drill Vick, even if that means letting Shady get an extra couple yards at least once. As you said, Vick surprised the Redskins. Hell, he surprised Chip Kelly. Other defenders won’t be caught of guard.

          • cliff henny

            good thing there’s not that many clay’s and ware’s out there. sure kelly said something. as i said, doubt we’ll see it again…but sure MV will do something new that’ll have us talking and sweating

          • aub32

            No doubt. I was yelling my butt off at him running down field. “Why Vick? Sit your lil butt down before someone sits you down.” Chip Kelly didn’t even see it coming.

          • cliff henny

            as vick’s play goes, thought he did a pretty good job protecting himself. Herrmanns and LJ have to tighten things up some, and then hope for the best.

    • SunShine

      stupid but admirable. but yes, Please stop Vick. You have ALOT to lose

  • Daniel Norman Richwine

    Reason #123,855 I don’t listen to the media for my analysis but get it places like here:
    During the spring and training camp we heard how much Vick stinks and can’t play in this offense. I now hear it being seriously said that without Vick, the team is toast and since he gets hit a lot, the team can’t have a good 16 games.
    if and when Vick goes down, I have every confidence Chip will use Foles.in a way which will be about as difficult to defend and he uses Vick now.

  • Richard Colton

    love him or hate him…that’s an amazing photo. Kapadia take that one with the camera phone?

  • B-West

    My guess is the personal groupings were matchup driven. The strength of the Skins is their front 7, and their secondary is a major weakness. So, spread them out, put an extra DB on the field from their weak crop, and go to work.

    Also, I think Chip kept the entire section of the playbook that called for multiple TEs under wraps due to the score. Given his admiration for Belicheat and the signing of Casey, I’m still confident there are some interesting things to come from our TEs.

  • philliesfan123

    Poor decision by Howie Roseman extending Herremans, good chance he will continue to be weak link on the offensive line. I believe he could be replaced by Barbre at some point.

    • B-West

      I know I’m a Howie apologist…. But I always thought the Herremans and Cole extensions had Andy’s fingerprints all over them. Kind of a reward for guy’s who had been good soldier’s, and never really complained about being underpaid in the previous years.

      Howie has proven to be pretty savvy with contract language, those two contract extensions being the outliers.

    • aub32

      Not a poor decision. Herremans was resigned after switching from guard to tackle. Tackles make more than guards, and Herremans performed at a high level in 2011. He could not predict things would go so wrong in 2012 that we would draft a top 5 pick at RT. Also, don’t forget Herremans is still coming off of a season ending injury.

    • KobraKai7474

      Injuries (and comebacks from injuries) are a major part of NFL life. Howie Roseman can’t predict them any more than you or I can. Point being that, yes, Herremans seems to be lacking but it is almost certainly due to his injury (or the cumulative effect of age along with a career full of injuries). The real question here is whether he is just dealing with rust or if this is the start of his decline as a player.

  • ztom6

    I think the coaches VC needs to worry about impressing aren’t necessarily Davis and Kelly so much as Azzinaro and Fipp.

  • Mr. Wu

    hehehe …. no shit right?

  • EaglePete

    god damn Joe Carter, god damn Lindros up 3-0. Oh wait, were talking football.

    • cliff henny

      doesnt matter what sport. heck, most exciting thing sixers have done in 10-12 yrs is the ’14 draft. ‘negadelphian’ is a time honored well earned nickname. people act like we dont have endless reasons.

  • djack10

    Question for the football people on this site: On the onside kick, if the ball is headed out of bounds, shouldn’t Avant have just tried to swat it out of bounds instead of trying to corrale it? It seems like redirecting it out of bounds is a much safer play that close to the boundary, but I don’t really know. Thoughts?

    • Dutch

      Rekick after moving the ball back 5 yds

  • ztom6

    The 3-3-5 Nickel line is actually Cole-Thornton-Cox. The only sub they make for Nickel is Soap-for-Boykin. The 3 LBs are MK, Ryans, and Barwin.

    • RIP illa

      Good catch. I saw Barwin blitzing a lot and mistakenly took him for being on the line.

  • anon

    Eagles brought in Chargers ex-center David Molk for a tryout yesterday — coincidence or research?

  • Rick H

    I have stated here many times my concerns about Vick as a QB. I have to give credit were it is clearly due. Michael Vick showed me all the great abilities I have seen over the years on Monday night but What I am truly seeing is true dedication, his mission, focus and maturity. I still worry about all the same things though. First and foremost is his exposure to getting injured which would be a huge bummer. He must be excited and I am happy for him.
    Sheil, I generally disagree with you about Bryce Brown’s performance. He started that East to West running and that gets him in trouble and he gets nowhere. I did not think he played well but there appears to be a real focus by him to hold onto the ball which is good.
    The defense played really well so some of the guys that were being torched on here at least deserve credit. Nate Allen, our cornerbacks and the unknown production of our outside linebackers. Special teams were tremendous!
    I HOPE THE EAGLES KEEP IT ROLLING!!!

  • SunShine

    agreed. Its lazy analysis to say that. what makes our team more expose to injury than others?? TBH, ill be more concerned with Rodgers with their makeshift Oline than ill be with Vick.

  • Max Lightfoot

    During the preseason, I wrote that all Lane Johnson had to do was perform at a competent NFL pro level, and that meant that 2013 was a great draft for the Birds.I drew lots of flak for saying that, but given the current health of the line, that’s all he has to do. Everything above and beyond that is gravy. He could become an All Pro, but he’s bound to make some rookie mistakes on pass blocking this year. Now, with the next draft, we just need to fill some defensive holes and give the O-line some depth. And, oh yes, maybe a quarterback!

    • KobraKai7474

      Totally agree. Having a solid NFL tackle, especially one who can migrate to the left side in a few is HUGE. Having such a guy with the potential to be a 10-year pro bowler at one of the three or four most important positions on the field just makes it that much better.

  • Richard Colton

    may want to consider a few more dead-lifts ’cause (as we know) big people beat up little people. It’ll still be too late, but hey.

  • kamd03

    Unbelievable “

  • Justin

    Who cares what other coaches say? If they don’t wanna get blown out, they should step their game up.

  • EagleDuck

    Every coach who’s scared will have something negative to say about the Eagles new offense. The good coaches will shut their mouths and work on game-planning vs politicking.

  • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

    Not so much talking but a LOT more “injuries.”

  • G_WallyHunter

    They have a good point how the pace works negatively against durability, hopefully the training and the tuesdays-of will help curb this

  • #7

    What’s the problem now JofreyRice. Cmon lets hear it (sigh)

  • cliff henny

    no one thought they’d be up 26, sure there was some mental letdown. hopefully kelly learned a free lesson. when offense had to get to more normal pace, it looked little sloppy, like when all the other teams try to go kelly’s pace.

  • Will

    The Eagles actually looked out of practice and lost in a huddle…LMAO…good thing ,the Eagles learn from this…..

  • #7

    Yeah and I saw that he said that they needed to practice at a slower pace. Makes sense I guess. What I really liked was when Vick went under center and hit them PA passes. Seems like it throws off the defense when our QBs get under center because they’re in shotgun the majority of the time

  • All In Eagles

    Yep and with Denver, it seems Peyton is rarely hurried or even hit, so coverage is the only way.

  • G_WallyHunter

    tomatoes?

  • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

    No..the offense was ground to a halt b/c Kelly went conservative…and then it didn’t – remember the Avant fumble was a 3rd down conversion for a first down. Avant doesn’t fumble..they dont’ score. Chung plays better..they don’t score.

    “Vick was average at best. He held onto the ball, he danced around, he missed several wide open receivers.”

    15/25 (60%) 203 yards 2 touchdowns + 53 yards and a touchdown on the ground.

    If that is average I’ll take it. This “average” team put up 33 points. Let that sink in. 33 POINTS and they didn’t play their best game.

    C’MON MAN!!!!

  • cliff henny

    vick did leave about 14-17 pnts out there in 1st half, if not more. that’s a good thing. ‘skins were really never even clse to stopping eagles. think mccoy walks into endzone if that pass wasnt batted. lot a good to take away, but enough bad so kelly can coach them up in film room.

  • BIGJES

    i didn’t know QB rating over 100 was average did anyone else?

  • BlindChow

    We were an onside kick away from being the Chargers.

  • cliff henny

    yeah, but that 3-1 was done with mirrors. looking back, we all know that now. even if we lost, there was still a ton of positives to take away. moral of story, dont take foot off pedal till late 4th and offense needs practice at being efficient when running clock.

  • hokieduck

    If a frog had wings, it wouldn’t womp its ass every time it jumped. A W is a W. And that was one fun dang game.

  • anon

    We’ll see after we play the chiefs so we have a fair comparison.

  • nicksaenz1

    if only you realized that the only one here who sounds like a douche is the person calling others a douche. whats your obsession with urinating on blankets? you should re-read the original post before you go and question anyone else’s reading comp or calling them dummies. just because im exercising restraint (a lesson you could clearly benefit from) doesnt mean im not excited. at least counter with some reason why i should be celebrating like we won the SB instead of crying because you think im raining on the parade on broad

  • Warhound

    That’s my more reasonably priced substitute for Samuel Smith Old Tadcaster Porter (the Old Taddy’).

  • Warhound

    Not

  • Run Eagles Run

    nick, the only thing retrained on you is your intelligence. its incredibly retrained. retarded, even. it’s probably due to inhaling so many of your own farts. seriously, you’re just looking dumber by the second. People dont want to agree with me because Im an asshole, but everyone thinks youre a douchebag, Trust me. We were all talking about it behind your back. We know how sensitive and alone you are, so we try not to say anything to your face.

  • Richard Colton

    yeah. they were so good, even cowboys fans noticed.

  • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

    “vick did leave about 14-17 pnts out there in 1st half,”

    Agreed.

    He sailed some passes…was the beneficiary of some drops…and some penalties. They should have been up more. And with that they still put up 33. It’s a great way to start a new year and new regime.

    Better teams aren’t going to give them so many changes, so they need to capitalize when they can.

  • Run Eagles Run

    Thanks for your 2 cents Dick, but unfortunetly you’re too damn stupid to realize I was being sarcastic. I’m positive there are people on this site who agree with Nick’s stupid opinion. This IS an eagles fan web site. Still waiting for future pro bowler Acho to be picked up.

  • FMWarner

    Haha. Well played. Over there, he’d be captain of the debate team.

  • Run Eagles Run

    “So you’re an asshole and you have no balls”

    - Nick “The Hypocritical Douche” Saenz1

    Nick, are you friggin dense! LOL! MY GOD HOW DUMB ARE YOU! I just said, “I’M NOT TRYING TO TALK FOOTBALL WITH YOU”! Its right there dude! You replied to the comment! And then you tell me “Note, talking football with someone would…” NO SHIT SHERLOCK! I WASN’T TRYING! Lol! Wow, you are dumber than I first thought. Its almost as if you are getting dumber as we go here. Your IQ is rapidly dropping while you try to save some face, gather some of the pieces of your cherished Eagles 24/7 persona… I ask you Nick, is it worth it? Jesus. You like torturing yourself more than Jesus.

  • Dutch

    There was a load of pundits switching trains this morning. The Eagles offense last night was just stunning and obviously mind changing. The best part of what we seen is that it’s only going to get better as chemistry on offense builds.

  • nicksaenz1

    There’s no hypocrisy. I was summing up what you said in a much shorter version but it was clearly over your head.. And my mistake, I skimmed what you said because it’s mostly just trolling and nonsense, nothing of substance or intellect.

  • Run Eagles Run

    no, you’re just blathering like a moron

  • OregonDucker

    I agree Dutch. One other consideration is the impact on the stamina of the opposing D of the uptempo. They can hang for a while but they will get tired, then we can pounce.

  • Dutch

    it’s obvious to me some Eagles Fans are taking the Redskins and Coach Shanahan for granted. There is not much respect for the Skins being the NFC East Champs, and to their peril some philly fans are sleeping on Robert Griffin III.

    We saw the kid at half measure and that half was still good enough to pick apart the Eagles defense when it counted and he found a pace he was comfortable with.

    This was a good quality win for the Eagles and Chip Kelly against a sound mind in the NFL Coaching Ranks. Shanahan is a two time super bowl winning coach. He’s won back to back super bowls and there aren’t many coaches who can claim repeat championships in the NFL. Last night the Eagles reduced him to rubbish.

  • morgan c

    I hope you’re right. I just can’t get passed the fact, however, that at the end of the day this guy was a legit second round pick (re: NOT Jaiquan Jarrett), and is being passed over for no-name undrafted also rans / replacement level players.

  • Dutch

    Apparently the Eagles did. To get to Robert Griffin the Eagles sent pressure straight up the middle and often were impressive with discipline to string out plays and make tackles for losses behind the line of scrimmage. However, with weak back end defenders there was no way Washington was in a position to totally shut down the Eagles attack. They didn’t have the DBs to press the Eagles best deep threat.

  • morgan c

    I am happy to see so many other Eagle fans are as flummoxed by this as I am. I hope this leads Sheil and Tim to investigate further into what is going on here. If it’s true that this is all because Curry’s effectiveness has come at the expense of the techniques and roles they are teaching, then let’s try to get the coaches on record saying that is the case. Otherwise, it’s pure speculation.

    I realize I am posting a ton on this and I should be happy that we won and looked good – I definitely am, but I just feel that not playing a guy that could so obviously contribute is holding us back. We DEFINITELY could have used his pass rush in the second half, when Washington COMPLETELY abandoned the run, and Cole et al were understandably worn out…

    Sheil and Tim, please ask the staff about this. Go in armed with the info that his production out-paced everyone else’s in pre-season, and that he brought down running backs in the run game, so they can’t use the out of “run defense.” Let’s take them to task for ignoring a talented and high draft pick pass rusher!

  • EagleDuck

    Stupid 46 man roster… 2nd stringers at the half? :D

  • ThanksUnclePhil

    Mmmm, last season: Duckies 62, Kiffens 51.

    Kenyon Barner: 38 rushes/321* yds/5 TDs.

    Mariota 20/23/4 TDs/0 INTs (QB rating 255 [96 yards rushing on 15 carries]). There’s your future QB, Eagles fans.

    *USC Coliseum opponent record

    You can watch that game on the youtube….

  • anon

    I think Square gets played b/c he can also play NT. I’m hoping that billy will rotate VC in next game to at least see how he plays. Especially since there will be a lot of wear and tear on he line. Hopefully it’s like Casey where they are saving the good stuff for later. But CK says backups have to play ST, and ST was CRAZY last game. Redskins starting a lot of drives inside the 10. It’s really the small things that make a winning team. I’ll stop myself now before i have a CK love fest.

  • PhEaglesPhan

    Given the state of the Chargers O line, they got King Dunlap for god’s sake!! It would be a good idea to get Curry in there and attack Rivers. Whereas I could understand pass rushing against RG3, Rivers is a much easier target. And this guy loses his cool really fast, he’ll pull a Cutler and be crying on the side lines before half.

  • BIGJES

    not on desean

  • hokieduck

    Well, “blocking” may be a little hyperbolic. Getting in the way, more like it. Loved it though!

  • hokieduck

    Hey, Dutch. Doubt you remember me, but I was asking you last Spring to wait a bit before burying Chip and the Eagles. Glad to see you are happier now. Have fun… it is just beginning.

  • Dutch

    I buy that reasoning, I don’t agree always with that strategy. Against the Skins, it was beautiful watching Thornton, Cox, Square and Logan occupying blockers, and the linebackers when they were not blitzing being discipline in stringing out running plays. The scheme worked to perfection because everyone was doing their job and trusting the next guy to be in his position which eventually lead to the safeties making plays near the sidelines behind the line of scrimmage. So for that to work there has to be dedication to gap discipline. It’s difficult to argue against a plan that worked like it’s drawn up, however, there is something to say for Cox and Logan crashing through the middle of the offensive line and Graham and Cole collapsing the pocket after sealing the edge.

    I’m sure because of the talent the Eagles have on the D Line we will get to see both instances of crushing the pocket and containing the run. The D Line played exactly like I thought they could, what was stunning was the linebackers and secondary consistent play. I just have to see it again to believe what we were exposed to on monday night is how our defense is going to play this season.

  • Capt. Chippahpants

    How do people keep misspelling his name? It’s one of the first words mentioned, and bolded, in the article…

  • Will

    Awesome Divisional road Win to start the season. Things to work on good learning experience for Chip and his player’s. Eagles 45-17 over Bolts in Home Opener, they clean it up, and keep petal to the metal this game!

  • Dutch

    Totally impressed with Kendricks and I’m one that doesn’t quite believe he’s big enough for the position. But the kid played his heart out Monday Night.

    He left a lasting impression on the nation of MNF watchers and me.

  • G_WallyHunter

    Hey now, those early 3rd quarter time-outs were pretty decisive, let’s give credit where credit is due

  • aub32

    He didn’t break a tackle. He dove for the first. That’s completely different from having a guy draped around you. Any receiver can run with the ball in space or dive forward.

  • G_WallyHunter

    on many scary carries, a few where he was punching up the middle with a pretty wide grip swinging the ball, had me on edge

  • Adam

    I hope they use him more next week. With his breakaway speed it’s only a matter of time before he busts long TD run on a gassed defense.

  • therevxxx

    i can agree with that, but I still have concerns. he hasn’t looked worthy of a 2nd rd pick yet though. Still crazy early though

  • Eoin Cunningham

    Bryce had a wide grip??? DID YOU SEE SHADY? Haha it’s like he carries the ball with his wrist, it’s horrifying haha

  • Jay Matt

    Me too! Esp when he tried spinning after first contact with defenders all around him…had me screaming at the TV to make sure he heard me. :-/

  • G_WallyHunter

    Ya agreed lol but until Shady coughs it up as a result then I won’t worry about that… he must have a bald eagle grip on that thing

  • cliff henny

    hate the way shady carries the ball, have since day 1. he seems to have 6th sense and get it tucked away. guess more ikely defender are just reaching grabbing praying to get a piece of him and not end up w/ air to even go for ball.

  • All In Eagles

    Agree, that thing swings all over. Luckily he’s had like less than 5 fumbles since in the league, not sure how but eff it, keep rolling!!

  • Engwrite

    What is all this preoccupation with Kendrick’s height? He is the fastest LB 4.47/40, the best cover LB, the best pass rushing LB, has a vertical 40″ leap, and has a great motor. And he is a sure tackler. Maybe he missed a few last year but that is in part because he got there, he got to the plays. He was a sure tackler Monday and anyhow, height doesn’t help tackling, so who cares about height?

  • Engwrite

    He was targeted thrice caught one. In the challenged drop he caught the pass but didn’t maintain possession when he came down. Was their interference? Yes. In spite of that he caught the ball (which is good) but didn’t keep it (bad).

  • All In Eagles

    Yep, I just read this on ESPN I think. If Vick, Shady, Djax go down, we’re toast. Pffff, whatever. Besides the Jets game, Foles was rocking the s*** and was extremely efficient, I’m confident CK will deal with it.

  • Dutch

    That’s pretty much it in a nutshell. Foles we all saw can run the option. He may have needed 5 games to accumulate the yardage Vick did on that 30 yard dash, but Foles is serviceable for 8 and a hook slide. Opponents would concentrate all their weapons on stopping Shady if Foles has to play, they would be willing to trade off the 8 yards and a hook slide that Foles represent over the possible house run of Shady. However, based on what I saw the Eagles are deep at Running Back, no Shady but Brown and the kid are credible and serviceable in this offense. I also believe that Demaris Johnson is capable of stepping in to duplicate the speed of DJax if necessary.

    Without either Shady or Jax, we may not be as explosive, but their back ups are credible and it’s important they are filtered into the scheme to gain experience now. There’s time and room for grooming.

  • aub32

    He’s also had some big drops and fumbles in big spots that I think he gets too many passes by fans because he’s an effort guy. He’s ok for now, but I would to see him replaced for someone more dynamic in the slot. When you see some of these game breakers in the slot, it just makes me think what if we had one of those guys. I mean, just imagine if he still had Maclin as a guy to go to when teams start keying in on DeSean. I really like DeSean, but I don’t know how he holds up if he needs to catch 7-11 balls a game. He needs some help from some of these other WRs or TEs to become guys that defenses have to gameplan for.

  • G_WallyHunter

    That is quite plausible as well lol… happy I picked him 2nd overall!

  • Engwrite

    In fairness, he was stopped–had a tackler at his legs–when another guy came from his blind side and pummeled him. He could not get down. The play may’ve even been called dead before the hit (a bit of a stretch) Avant is not a fumbler and has the best hands in the team. If I’m the QB on 3rd down, I’m looking for Avant.

  • cliff henny

    i say it every carry…but, he simply doesnt fumble.

  • Dutch

    Watching Brown run the ball could give you an ulcer. On one carry where he was spin around he look close to dropping the rock, the ball kind of shifted behind him. I like that kid, and believes he has talent but I wish we could have held onto Dion Lewis.

  • aub32

    I think people confuse the heigt issue with lack of size. He has the bulk. He’s just short. London Fletcher is a great example of a really good and short ILB, and he doesn’t have some of the physical gifts such as speed and jumping ability, that Kendricks has. Now Kendricks may not be made of the same indestructable material, Londanium, as Fletcher is made out of, but height should clearly be ruled as a non factor.

  • All In Eagles

    Haha, someone didn’t have their coffee

  • nicksaenz1

    Your point about Desean is why I’ve never viewed him as a #1. I always thought we’ve had two really good #2 receivers in Maclin and Desean. I think we’ll eventually address this. Fair criticism for Avant. I’m certainly a little biased because he’s just a pro’s pro.

  • aub32

    That being said, let’s hope they all stay healthy. I would hate to think of this group of receivers without Jackson, and Vick and McCoy help each others’ game so well.

  • All In Eagles

    I agree, I hate to start blowing sunshine up everyone’s arse but shouldn’t we be able to take SD out with relative ease?

  • cliff henny

    yeah, if opponents need fumbles/mistakes by avant to stay in games with eagles, i’m good with that. while they stand around waiting, he’ll be moving the chains all day.

  • All In Eagles

    Absolutely. But come on, if GB loses Rodgers, Cobb and Lacy, they are sunk. If SF loses Kap, Boldin and Gore, say good night (apply this to 32 teams across the NFL). It’s such a ridiculous statement to begin with.

  • cliff henny

    what team besides te top teir like SF Denv wouldnt be hurt by losing their #1 rb and #1 wr or starting qb. it’s such dumb analysis. romo goes down, peterson flacco…eary team is f’d outside maybe a handfull

  • aub32

    I just can’t see DJax catching passes like that one comeback route where he got blasted over and over again. I love when he gets his dozen or so yards and dips out of bounds. I don’t need him fight for a yard or two when he’s averaging 15-20 yards per catch. He does have number talent though, and I can see him putting up numbers with the big boys this year, if they don’t put him in a position to get creamed.

  • All In Eagles

    I don’t think anyone is necessarily giving him a pass. It’s just he is super valuable on 3rd downs and he’s not a chronic fumbler. I mean, Bryce is a chronic fumbler (relatively small sample size) but I’m still cheering for him to get the ball more and rest Shady at times.

  • Dutch

    Buffalo!!!!! Avant is not a consistent fumbler, but when he Fumbles he has the luck of a buzzard it’s always on national television and at critical junctions of the game.

    I won’t rag on him, because I think he could have a super year like no other in his career

  • aub32

    Point well taken. Take Rodgers from GB and watch as they crash and burn. The same could be said of Megatron or AJ Green. Yet saying about the Eagles causes a buzz because of the novelty around our new style of offense, but you make a great point.

  • All In Eagles

    Agree, it’s only because we’re showcasing a new way to do things, that’s all. A friend asked me, ‘the Eagles looked great but how long can they fool everyone’. It threw me into a rage, haha. My reply was, ‘We’re not fooling anyone, we’re just playing football’ Chip Kelly.

  • aub32

    I’d be fine with it if we could get him some knee pads and a helmet made out of the same kevlar stuff he used to protect his ribs last year.

  • DuckFan

    Helped off the field riding the shoulders of the O-Line after he scores the game winner in the Superbowl you mean!

  • cliff henny

    the national media has protrayed kelly’s offense as a hodge podge of high school/college gimmick plays run against inferior coaching just really fast. cant blame the average fan.

  • B-West

    I like both of them, I was just speaking to the contracts.

  • Dutch

    True, but the wrinkles Chip threw in were making a coach like Shanahan look stupid. The 3 Man Line with the Tackles spread out wide had to be humiliating. The Eagles had a center and two guard on the offensive line with Peters and Jackson flanked out with the Flankers.

    This was the most bizarre thing I’d ever saw. And Shady end up going up the A Gap for 10 yards.

    That in my opinion was just showing off and rubbing it in.

  • All In Eagles

    Haha, well let’s hope they show off and rub it in regularly!! Seriously, WASH D had 5 on the line vs our 3 and I think it was Kerrigan blew right past Mccoy (who had the ball) and he hit Vick. Haha, so awesome. Seriously, with that line how do you allow 10 yards up the gut? Love it, keep it coming CK.

  • anon

    It’s a play that Chip had run in Oregon. On the Oregon game tape the D maintained a normal formation and so Kelly hit the bubble screen for a big gain with the lineman protecting. Since Haslett had seen the play, he moved 3 outside to mirror leaving no one in the box, so shady ran. The options in the play allow you to adjust to how the defense reacts to the play. The spread formation means the D can’t disguise how they are covering. Chip’s playing chess while they are playing checkers.

  • cliff henny

    he’s a quality starting guard making 4m, that’s not crazy money. had ok game by his standards. is re-learning new positon, new scheme and has rook next to him…he is a concern, but way down on my list, i’ll bet good money he’s fine if healthy.

  • aub32

    I think you’re forgetting the years they had prior to getting the contracts. Herremans had switched from guard to tackle in 2011. That warrants a pay increase by nature of the position. Cole had just come off another season with double digit sacks and looked better late in the season due to the heavy rotation. There’s no way Howie could have predicted the wheels falling off the way they did in 2012. Both contract were team friendl, and I think any thought on whether they should have been awarded is more revisionist history than whether or no it was a good move at the time.

  • nicksaenz1

    I won’t say I wish we held on to Dion Lewis, but I get your point. Brown’s issues are certainly going to hold him back until he figures it out. I don’t care if he starts carrying the ball like Tiki used to do, so long as he fixes it. If he doesn’t, we’re going to start seeing Polk get some carries.

  • Dutch

    If the Chargers come to philly trying to duplicate the redskins second half defense they are in for a long day. They just don’t have the back end defenders to play with Jackson deep. DC stacked the box knowing the Eagles were only going to run the ball to milk the clock with that large lead. Chip never focused on going over the top, or bubble screening the skins to death after halftime.

    It was like the Eagles invoked the Mercy rule. This week the Chargers will attack up the middle, so Kelce, Mathis and Herreman are set to have a field day, the scrape worked well on Johnson so the Charger will more than likely depend on that to pressure Vick in the pocket which means Celek and Ertz has to make adjustments in their routes when they see an extra linebacker going toward the pocket. Chances are we are going to see a good usage of the option routes discussed on this site.

  • Dutch

    Two things, when you come to play Baltimore or Washington, Centers and Guards know to bring their lunch because blocking Fletcher and Lewis is an all day affair and not an easy task. Kendricks showed me something definitely, my concern is his durability over the course of the season. After his display he’s going to be a target and he sometimes gets hung up on blockers.

    He’s going to have that problem until he’s physically mature and grows out. But he’s quick as a cat and the damage he can do as represented in how Davis used him Monday is twisting and looping behind Cox, Logan, Square and others on that defensive line. That kid did some damage coming around those tackles and ends on the d line. You don’t know where he’s coming from but it’s definite he’s coming.

    I loved that strategy and I’m not a big blitz guy.

  • cliff henny

    yup. was getting annoyed talking to couple redskins fan. i was willing to admit the 1st half was perfect storm, but they refused to admit the eagles, as you said, went mercy rule on them. if kelly wanted, eagles would have scored 10-14 more, easily. skns never came close to stopping the eagles.
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    think what we learned, kelly knows what he is doing. i hate shanarat and his boy, but the rat and haslett arent some hacks. they had 4 months and were overwhelmed.

  • Dutch

    Definitely agree on the Polk, Brown playing time. Polk and, or Brown is just as lethal as Shady under equal circumstances other than closing out the clock. I would rather see Shady rested in the 3rd QT to prepare for closing down in the 4th and putting the rock in his possession.

  • B-West

    Tell that to B-Dawk. DonMega. Hell, even TO. Giving contract extensions to aging players was way out of character for the Eagles. Its no shocker that Banner was out of the mix at the time of those extensions. So, it was either Howie or Reid. My theory (could very well be wrong), was that it was Reid. My response was more toward the contracts being assigned to Howie, rather than the player’s performance vs. their contract numbers.

  • Dutch

    If the kick off goes out of bounds without Avant touching the ball it’s an automatic penalty and rekick, if Avant touched it before the ball goes out, it’s the Eagles ball at the spot the ball went out of bounds.

  • djack10

    if the receiving team on a kickoff knocks the ball out of bounds, it is a turnover? i never knew that.

  • aub32

    I can’t quite agree with that. I think we will be ok with Brown, but still functional. However, with Maclin out for the year, DJax is the most important weapon on the field. He’s the sole defense against teams stacking the box. DJ2 is quick, but he doesn’t have the ability that Djax has. Teams will not show him near the same respect when it comes to coverage. DJ2 would be much better suited in the slot.

    I also don’t think the Foles transition will be as easy as you make it seem. Foles still has his fair share of short comings. Vick does as well, but his play making ability offsets them to an extent. Foles also wouldn’t be getting 8 yards. There were times when Vick barely got 3 or 4. That back door isn’t as open as some may think. It just appeared that way in some games last year because of how good some of these new QBs are at play fakes, and it was unexpected. Just look at the 3 yard TD run Vick had. I think that lone defender gets Foles, but Vick was already passed him.

  • Dutch

    I don’t want to find out……..

  • aub32

    I think my response was meant for the original post. I think Howie was justified based on play to offer extensions. Banner may have done things one way, but Howie will sign older talent to cap and team friendly deals to fit certain holes until the time comes where we can find a more permanent fixture.

  • aub32

    I agree

  • aub32

    I don’t know. Seems like every pass catcher not named DeSean is going to have pretty mediocre numbers. Sure there might be a game or two where Avant can really take advantage of a particular matchup, but if Vick is only throwing 25-30 times a game and 10-12 go DeSean’s way, what’s left for the other guys. Some of the throws are going to be incomplete. Don’t forget about the games when we will feature 12 personnel. There just doesn’t seem to many many opportunities for a guy like Avant to put up gaudy numbers, especially when he’s not really going to rack up much YAC.

  • aub32

    Polk is good, but he’s no where near as lethal as Shady. For that matter, neither is Bryce. Shady’s ability to cut is special. You might even say it’s Barry Sanders-esque. I want to see those guys get a little more burn, but let’s not go overboard.

  • cliff henny

    something different has to happen, shady cant run it 31 times a game. he’ll be drooling in the corner by ’15 when hopefuly we are a serious contender

  • Adam

    He doesn’t have the ability to start and stop in space like Shady does. He’s not the type of back. He needs to hit the 2nd level before he really starts to turn on the jets, something he didn’t get a chance to. His never going to be faster than Shady, but if Shady is winded, that means the defense is really winded, so put a fresh set of legs out there and watch it happen.

  • hokieduck

    Seriously, he meant it when he said that the players need to pick up the ball and run it over to the officials. Things will get faster as the team gels and the players begin to see how well this works (and how much fun this is).

  • hokieduck

    #7. When Chip wants to slow it down, he usually still runs the team to the line and sets. That way the defense cannot substitute. Then he has the QB step back and look to the sidelines and run off most of the clock before running the next play. That is his version of the slowdown.

    Last game was his first as an NFL head coach. I think he got a little juiced by how the first half went and thought he could rest folks like he did in college (which is even more important with 46 dressed). He usually does not make the same mistake twice.

    Charger game should be interesting.

  • hokieduck

    I think the whole team and Chip too got super psyched in the first half and the emotion of what they were doing to a very good Redskin team and coach just took over. That emotional energy sapped them also.

    That will change as they settle into the offense. Of course, I think the D fed off that energy in the first half, so it was a double edged sword.