Celebrity Real Estate: PA Gets Updike But Not Poe in “50 Places Every Literary Fan Should Visit”

john updike home Flavorwire has a list today called “50 Places Every Literary Fan Should Visit,” and Pennsylvania makes one appearance–not bad considering hotspots like Europe are lousy with places like Pere Lachaise and Kafka’s Prague. John Updike’s childhood home in Shillington is acknowledged as a place to visit, particularly as the John Updike Society is planning to make it a museum.

Closer to home, there’s no mention on the list of either Walt Whitman’s house in Camden, which arguably merits a mention due to Whitman’s strong regard of the city and his home there. Nor is there a mention of Philadelphia’s Poe house at Seventh and Spring Garden. Instead, Baltimore gets the Poe honors with his gravesite, which will surely enrage the Philadelphia-over-Baltimore Poe contingent.

50 Places Every Literary Fan Should Visit [Flavorwire]

  • anon

    Sheil / Tim can you ask eagles about kerry rhodes. he’s good, he’s on the street. i think i know why he’s still on the street but i’d like to hear someone say it.

  • Scott J610

    It’s a shame Bryce Brown is a fumbler because it would be nice to have him pound the ball at the end of the game. Can’t trust him yet.

    • ohitsdom

      Pounding isn’t Bryce’s style, but it definitely is Polk’s. The three backs have great, complimenting skill sets.

    • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

      Brown has only fumbled once so far this preseason. He’s coming along nicely. He’ll be alright.

  • #7

    Todd Herremans is either hurt or he got old really fast

  • #7

    They would never notice anyway. They only focus on the mistakes, then they get hyped up on a bunch of 5 yard checkdowns from Foles because he “runs the offense better/faster) even though it was timed in Carolina game I think that Vick was running it faster/better

    • Bdawk20

      Vick completes two passes: 1) comeback routes and 2) bombs. Ask him to hit a slant and it won’t happen. Ask him to lead receivers on WR/RB screens, and he makes them stop and catch it. Those little mistakes give up valuable yardage.

      • #7

        You see everything with skewed eyes

        • Bdawk20

          No. You are putting the hopes for the season on a guy who says one thing and does the opposite. Vick is going to be the same QB as last year. Foles will probably be better than last year. Whoever our long-term QB is is not on the roster, but Vick;s best value is off this team bringing us back defensive help.

          • #7

            There was a competition, right? Bdawk if you were in a competition and you won, and the boss picks the other guy because he’s younger, would you like that?

          • Dutch

            So what you are lobbying for is that we should put our hopes in a guy that hasn’t seen a winning season since High School? How many losing seasons has Vick experience outside of the one last year with the Eagles?

            That’s not going to be digested well by an overwhelming share of Eagles fans.

  • TC

    Moeaki is out for the Chiefs with fractured shoulder. I wonder if chiefs will make a trade for Harbor now.

  • Dutch

    Byrd is going to sit out the first 10 game, and return to qualify for a year so that his pension is in tact and at the end of the season the Bills are going to be left high and dry. This kid is outta there and he’s controlling his own destiny

    Everybody needs a safety, the Bill had better get the best offer they can and cut their losses or be left with nothing.

    • MAC

      Your aware he already signed the tender and is in camp as of last week. So not sitting out 10 games

  • Adam

    Bamiro has a legitimate shot at being a starting NFL RT down the road. Wouldn’t be surprised if the Eagles start grooming him to take Lane’s spot when he moves over to LT. Maybe 2015 after JP’s contract is up.

  • RIP illa

    Couldn’t of said it any better!

  • Maggie

    Right. Coaches get fired because of one player. All coaches get fired because of quarterbacks. Coaches don’t get fired because THEY make bad play-calling choices. Coaches don’t get fired because the team doesn’t want to play for them. Coaches don’t get fired because of politics. Coaches don’t get fired because of general managers’ bad drafting/trading choices. You know, the way some twits on here say EVERYTHING wrong with the Eagles is all Roseman’s fault, no matter what. No, according to you, coaches get fired because one quarterback holds the ball or runs a lot. Please.

    • Dutch

      You know what, nobody could have forecast those people who openly support a fair competition in the beginning of this process would not accept the outcome if it involved a honest thorough assessment played out before the football world with an obvious outcome.

      Nobody in Philly could have predicted these results………

      • Bdawk20

        Where did I support a fair competition? Vick shouldn’t even be on the roster right now. But he is because the players love him and he does well on the practice field. Kelly will find out soon enough.

    • Bdawk20

      Andy Reid hitched his wagon to Mike Vick, only to then try to trade for Alex Smith because he realized how bad Vick was. Reid made Vick the franchise and he sunk the ship.

  • Joeknowsnada

    Foles executes the offense better, in a sense, since he is not trying so hard on each play to hit the home run. And, just because he executed against third stringers doesn’t overly diminish his body of work. Vick is the starter, and the better QB right now, for a number of reasons, but, Foles is 6′ 6″ tall and can see the whole field, which the barely 6′ tall Mike Vick cannot do. It’s so much easier for Foles to find a passing lane, it’s ridiculous. That’s probably why Mike holds the ball too long and gets happy feet. He is so worried about the passing lane and throwing the INT, he holds it. Foles, at least, does a better job of getting the ball to the receiver on time, in the right spot, etc. Witness the throw to DeSean Jax the other night. Jax was open 1 second or more, stationary, before Vick threw it. Vick, like McNabb, needs to see you open, vs., like Brady, or Manning, throwing to a spot before you are open. That lack of confidence or anticipation will ultimately cost us, big-time. Still, Vick is the better option right now, if you want to win as many games as you can. I, for one, don’t. Let ALL the kids play.

  • nicksaenz1

    Rice

  • #7

    YAC is what hurts him, but I would still want him on my team any day

  • Richard Colton

    come on. Rice may be the greatest player in the history of football. He was showing flashes of dominance with Rich Gannon and Matt Hassleback at QB – and I’ll take McNabb and Vick over either of those guys. Avant’s a nice 3rd receiver. I like him a lot. but come on.

  • RIP illa

    Ugh…I really hate the Jerry 40 time narrative. Rice was obviously faster than what he ran in the 40. Players do run bad 40s, doesn’t mean they play at that speed. In fact there are some players, in today’s game, that train for running the 40 the whole time after their season and leading up to the combine or their proday; and these players run a great 40 time, but when game time comes or if you review their game tape, they don’t actually play at that speed. They play slower. So I guess you believe Burfict is as slow as his 5 sec 40 time?!

  • #7

    Pipe down man. It was against the Jags 3rd stringers. It was an open competition. Kelly picked the best QB and it was obvious. Period.

  • #7

    Man can that dude run though smh

  • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

    We’re going to have to agree to disagree.

    Polk – 1 fumble
    Brown – 1 fumble

    They’ll get it right with brown…folk keep forgetting he had NO college career to speak of. Hadn’t played any consistent ball since high school. Hasn’t played a full year yet in the pros.

    It will work out. He get that fumbling down don’t be surprised he start coming after Shady’s crown.

  • Anon

    Agree, i think a lot of that fundamentals coaching he would have gotten in college he didn’t get. It’s amazing that we’re just seeing pure talent right now and fresh legs. We should get as much as we can out of him b/c he’s going to be expensive when it’s time to renew his contract.

  • Bdawk20

    None of the above changes what we know about Mike Vick. Vick missed many opportunities even with the Jaguars change in zone because he couldn’t figure out to follow the scheme. He had open receivers, he missed them because they were not wide open when he decided to throw to him. He cannot pass with anticipation and that is going to kill us.

  • Dutch

    Based on the judgements of Vick’s 15 for 23 game with a touchdown and interception after the Jags game, these Foles fans would equally bench for Foles, Peyton Manning, Russell Wilson and Joe Flacco because of their games this week also……

    Hey here’s a thought let’s do away with a fair and equal competition and award the position to Foles based on some myth he’s more entitled than Vick for some reason to be filled in later…….

  • Run Eagles Run

    His athletic ability is jaw dropping. He also seems to find the best seems and direction to run. I fully expect him to get some long td runs to make up for the fumbles. The reward is worth the risk with him.

  • Bdawk20

    It’s not based on 15/23, it’s based on Vick’s career. He is what he is and he is not going to be any better for Chip Kelly than he was for Andy Reid. He will always revert back to what he knows and that is poor decision making. He has only played well when he had something to prove. Do I hope he succeeds? Sure, but he has been in this league way too long to make the same mistakes he does.

  • Run Eagles Run

    Yeah pretty sure there’s only 4 rbs on the roster… polk and or brown will see action.

  • Dutch

    I didn’t think my opinion hinted on the distribution of playing time.

    Do you have any idea what it’s like to run a back the entire 60 minutes of a Football Game?

    The Game must look like it’s running on half speed on your television screen.

  • Dutch

    Nor does it change what we know about Foles after watching him last season and through a open competition in this preSeason, and that is he’s a greater risk handling the ball than Vick and doesn’t have the heart to throw a pass through a defense greater than 8 yards.

    There’s noway you can describe foles as accurate with anticipation and placement being he’s never thrown a accurate pass against an actual defender. Check downs are usually passes to receivers and backs that have no coverage underneath the defense and zones.

  • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

    Yeah. You’re reaching there. Especially since Vick calmed down and settled in once the game wore on but penalties, Kelce bad snap and Bryce Brown’s fumble stalled drives that were moving nicely.

  • #7

    Vick shall never miss an open man ever.

    Is that the criteria Bdawk20? Not being a smart a.. I’m just interested in what your expectations are for Vick. The bar sure seems super high since it appears that you expect him to have a perfect game every week

  • #7

    I don’t have to “lay off” anything bro. Was not talking to you

  • #7

    Well he better hurry up or he’ll be laid up on that bench

  • MAC

    Come after Shady’s crown? McCoy is like 24 years old and top 5 back in the league. Brown is a solid back, but coming after Shady’s crown is not ever happening. McCoy is honestly head and shoulders above most backs in league and Brown is not even in the conversation as a RB that could unseat shady.

  • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

    He’s got this year to get it right. I have faith. lol

  • Dutch

    Similarly, if you base anything on Foles career you come up craps. What has this kid accomplished on any level of Football that makes you think he’s a better product than a 4 time pro bowl QB and recent comeback of the year award winner?

    What are you comparing Foles to if I may ask? What have you seen at any point on any level of Football where Foles as competed to make you believe he can lead a winning effort?

    If you aren’t arguing for Barkley as a possibility to lead a winning effort, you’re wasting your times. There no evidence since high school Foles understand what is required to win at this or any other level. If you claim you know or have information you’re lying to yourself.

  • Bdawk20

    Right, because Foles made none of those throws last year. Of course he made mistakes, but he makes them at a similar rate to a 10 yr veteran that everyone is making out to be the best QB.

  • Bdawk20

    How much money did we pay Vick over the past few seasons? He was one of the, if not the highest, paid QB’s in the league. What expectations do YOU have of him? Mine are equal to the money we pay him.

  • RIP illa

    All they do is just keep pushing the bar for Vick further and further back while moving it shorter or closer for Foles. You’re absolutely right…in their minds, in order to justify Vick starting over Foles, Vick cannot have a bad game. Vick can not make mistakes of any variety. Vick must be perfect. They change it and move it back constantly for Vick. It’s f’n ridiculous

  • EaglePete

    Its almost as if this team (how its made up, whoever is starting) cant seem to get out of its own way sometimes with the TOs. It could be some type of repeat as last season, only it just cant be as bad. I hope Im wrong, its just disconcerting

  • Dutch

    I totally agree!!! I’m not impressed with the spending of $4 Million in guarantees. That could have been money spend on soliciting Byrd from the Bills.

    For all this pro bowl talk, what was conveniently left out was he was in the pro bowl because Leach of the Ravens was playing in the super bowl.

  • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

    Did you watch the game?
    Did you even understand DJax quote?

    Vick’s “off scheme” was trying to make a throw while being sacked – or, though he eventually threw the ball away, scrambling around looking for the play instead of just throwing it away immediately and taking a hit in the process.

    Yes. Those are very “Mike Vick” things that we all agree he needs to be better about. But it wasn’t his whole game that was being questioned. As far as him missing open receivers…eh…he put a little too much heat on it a few times, but once again that’s NOT the end of the world. He did way more good (sliding, getting out of bounds, not forcing plays, throwing balls away) than he did bad.

  • Dutch

    Almost and close only counts in a game of Horse Shoes…….. Close and almost in Football talk translates into “Not Good Enough”…….

  • Dutch

    This is nonsense, he held the ball because the receivers were forced to run longer routes, the Jags were flooding the short zone. There was never a time pass protection was clean, the Jags were exploiting the interior of the offensive line with stunts and twist, and occasionally forcing and extra rusher to hurry throws before the Eagles routes could mature.

    That was obvious a planned attack for zone blocking. I can imagine Gus Johnson was looking at his planned attack for ZBS he is sure to see later in the year within his division. The Jags handed Kelce, Mathis and Herreman their heads on a platter.

    There is no question the Eagles lost the battle of the trenches and still Vick racked up 240 yds of offense of the Eagles 400 yds.

    You guys are looking for things that have no basic in fact.

  • Dutch

    However, Barbre is an option. He played pretty good when in for Peters. In any event we can not allow open hits on the QB. If he’s hurt maybe he should be sat down until he’s 100% healthy.

  • Bdawk20

    Well, hmm, Foles had a higher QB rating and completion % than Vick in 2012 behind that same shaky line. They had the same TD to INT ratio behind that shaky line. Foles is a 2nd year player and Vick is a veteran. Yet somehow everyone thinks it is so crazy that Foles can be better than Vick. As a rookie, he was just as good as Vick and Vick has done nothing but show he cannot improve whereas Foles has shown the opposite. I wonder where my logic is coming from. Vick threw for 11.5 yards per completion and Foles threw for 10.5 yards per completion. But, I forgot, Foles cannot throw the ball downfield apparently.

  • #7

    Hell might as well. Maybe he’s improved with Stoutland. Just don’t run any stunts at him though lol

  • #7

    Look yeah you got a point there. He probably thinks Watkins is the next coming like check down Foles

  • Bdawk20

    How can you make that statement about Foles when he is in his 2nd year? It is bad considering how close this QB competition was if that is how you really feel, because that means, to you, Vick isn’t much better.

  • Richard Colton

    if you’re not seeing some of the same things that have plagued this guy his whole career, then your weren’t watching. He’s looked good. Based on his ability to move the offense for one year only, I think he’s the right choice to start. But he was still out there: improvising, holding the ball too long, sliding head first, throwing across body, throwing off back foot.

    Or am I wrong? Did he not do all of those things last night?

  • Bdawk20

    If the improvement you are looking for is sliding or getting out of bounds, then you are in for a long year. He still held the ball out like an idiot, just because he did not fumble doesn’t mean anything. He spoke about Chip Kelly teaching him how to told the football, but like everything else Vick does, he forgets all the new stuff and reverts back to his old tricks.

  • Richard Colton

    Ohh, there must be a play in CK’s scheme that requires the QB to hold the ball for 4 seconds. That’s probably never come up in a meeting – “coach, what do I do if all my reads are covered? should I, you know, throw the ball away?”

    “No, Mike. keep holding the ball and hope for the best – I call that play the GusJohnson”

  • #7

    Now that is the truth. Which is why people are saying that this looked like the 2012 Eagles. I noticed the longer routes right off.

    What I don’t get is why is such intense debate over Vick for preseason game against the Jags?

    “He did that his whole career!!! He did that last year!!!”"

    Who gives a “freak”.

    It will all play out one way or the other, just like the QB competition did

  • Dutch

    Because it’s a fact based on his first year play and that of this preSeason. Look Foles was a projection coming out of Arizona, he’s remains a projection he is not ready and it’s obvious to the world of Football pundits and professionals.

    There are only 18% of Eagles fans in the entire world of Football Fans in the United States who believe Foles is a credible threat. That small number of fans, and those in other NFC East locations are the only people who want Foles leading Phila.

    You all have fooled yourselves to believe you’ve seen something in Foles that simply is not a reality. Ignoring the obvious flaws and lack of velocity in his arm.

  • Andy124

    Foles has led the team to touchdowns on 4 of his 7 non-kneel down drives. If that’s what dink and dunk limits us to, I can live with that.

  • #7

    Close? How can you accurately say how close it was? No one on here knows except Chip and his staff.

    You can assume all you like, but the bottom line is that Foles got beat and if he was good enough he would have won

  • Bdawk20

    Re-posting from the above because your statements are not reflecting what actually happened last season: Foles had a higher QB rating and completion % than Vick in 2012 behind that same shaky line. They had the same TD to INT ratio behind that shaky line. Foles is a 2nd year player and Vick is a veteran. Yet somehow everyone thinks it is so crazy that Foles can be better than Vick. As a rookie, he was just as good as Vick and Vick has done nothing but show he cannot improve whereas Foles has shown the opposite. I wonder where my logic is coming from. Vick threw for 11.5 yards per completion and Foles threw for 10.5 yards per completion. But, I forgot, Foles cannot throw the ball downfield apparently

  • Andy124

    According to Derek’s breakdown, there are also a couple plays that call for the qb to stare at a wide open receiver and not throw the ball to them. We call it, “The Vintage”.

  • Dutch

    There lies the problem with Reid coaching Vick, Vick should have never been cast in a role to sit in any pocket anywhere it was a total waste of his skills and andy being stubborn always claimed he knew better and in this case he was completely wrong.

    Vick was a much better QB with the Eagles before being tasked with waiting in the pocket, he was never and is not now a pocket passing QB. On the five occasions Vick’s been injured he has been knocked out of the game 4 time from a hit in the pocket waiting on down field routes to develop.

  • Bdawk20

    It doesn’t have to be pretty, just effective.

  • Dutch

    And on 2 of those possessions he turned the ball over, and fumbled on another. Although the fumble was related to the center, but Vick is counted as having fumbled under similar circumstances against the Jags, and if all things are equal. oh well!

  • #7

    You mean those TDs where he handed the ball off or scrambled….Damn sure wasn’t passing TDs. If it was within 5 yards I could believe it. If he throws over 10 yards, INT

  • Anon

    His performance last year (which was obviously mediocre if it was comparable to Vick’s) got him into the QB competition. He lost. Foles has accepted it, why can’t you?

  • Dutch

    none of Foles passes traveled more than 8 yds…… so no he’s not proven he is capable of throwing down field. No, Foles actually has a higher turn over ratio than Vick in 2012 when you do the math. I think Foles comes in at 2.1, and Vick is in the 1.7 range.

    Also, in 2012 Foles only had 3 receptions over 20 yds in 6 games in 1 other appearance. He was basically transferring the ball with long arm handoffs, not passes down field. Nor did Foles have to contend with blitzes because there was no need, teams played him to throw the ball short or behind the line of scrimmage.

  • nicksaenz1

    Those yards for Foles were mostly after the catch. While you can maybe make the case that he took advantage of the numbers and put players in position to make plays, he lost the competition. And this is coming from a fan who wanted Foles to win.

  • guest1

    Stop it…Foles is not the second coming of Montana. He is serviceable at best, and is not going to light up the NFL. Yes, Vick has his QB’s issues…but he has been more a a team leader, along with other intangibles. We are not winning the SB this year anyway, and our QB of the future is not Barkley either (now I see why he dropped) and not on this team.

  • #7

    You sure are watching Vick pretty hard for someone you hate. Now he runs wrong smh.

  • nicksaenz1

    Foles threw 5 picks and lost 3 fumbles in 7 games last year. Vick threw 10 picks and lost 5 fumbles in 10 games. Neither were good, but Vick’s was worse. Also had a Bad Decision Rate of 3.0 to Foles’ 1.8. That said, it’s all irrelevant. Let’s see what Vick’s got left in the tank.

  • nicksaenz1

    Based on your love of reverting to college days, Matt Leinart is going to lead the Bills to a SB win this year because he was a winner in college.

  • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

    Reminds me of 2011 actually. There were so many Non-QB errors on offense and defensive breakdowns that you couldn’t have Vick’s mistakes AND their mistakes AND win games – I’m hoping the TO and penalty mistakes cease – as I said on another blog – If Vick isn’t fumbling – no one else is allowed to fumble. lol

  • Dutch

    What improvement, you are comparing Foles to Vick’s worse season with the Eagles, which is hardly much to celebrate for any competing QB.

    Foles simply is not ready and if he were that would have been evident during the competition in camp which by all accounts was more than fair.

    I’d still like to know what are the improvements you rage about with Foles. He still can’t throw beyond a check down. He still doesn’t see the field and respond to openings down field. As proven his decision making isn’t the best option. What is the area of improvement you see in Foles that is not evident to everyone else watching the young man?

    I would have loved to see him working against the Jags stuns and twist first team defense. We have never seen Foles operate against a first team defense blitzing, teams didn’t blitz Foles last year they wanted him to throw down field and gave him time to locate receivers because he didn’t have NFL velocity and they knew they could break on the ball for interceptions.

    He was then and remains easy pickings, thus he doesn’t challenge himself or defenders in trying to connect with his receivers on intermediate routes. Even now you don’t see him target receivers with a defender in the vicinity.

  • Dutch

    I do believe that the level of competition in the conference you played in has a direct relation on your success in the NFL.

    Leinart doesn’t have the pieces in support of him he had at USC across the board. The Pac 12 has been a weak conference for a few years dating back before Kelly arrival at Oregon. I think Kellys success is directly due to USC being on probation and the coaching transition at Stanford over the last 6 years.

    I think if you asked Leinart to manage a game he could get the job done. I never felt he was or Sanchez were a trigger man who could pull off the success for a program like they were in at USC under Pete Carroll.

  • Dutch

    What are the other options when the defense is flooding the short zones? To whom is the dump off or check downs going then? The guy was 15 for 23 against a good defensive strategy and still managed to rack up more than 50% of the Eagles offensive production in moving the chains.

    Kelly opened up the running lanes with intermediate passes, in the second qt and half, the eagles running backs were putting a hurt on the Jags defense.

  • Dutch

    Casey’s blocking wasn’t obvious against the Jags or he must to have been on the outside, off screen targeting defensive backs.

  • Dutch

    Well Kelly and the overwhelming majority of Eagles supporters disagree with your assessment. A few Eagles loyalist believe as you on this subject. Pretty much the same segment that thought Kevin Kolb was the heir apparent to replacing McNabb.

    A simple fair and equal competition means nothing to people like you. That is not going to gain much traction on his issue and come off as sour grapes. You demanded an open and fair competition now you don’t like the obvious results. You’ll never be satisfied. It’s clear Foles has a lot of work to do to be better than Vick in his absolute worse year and depending on who is invited to camp next year that may not be good enough for Foles to start then.

  • Bdawk20

    Actually, re-watch the Patriots game. He completed throws to guys who had defenders on their backs by leading the receiver into open space. It’s not that hard to understand. Quicker release, more accurate throws (although, yes, they are shorter, but not as short as you think), and runs the offense as intended. Why do you want a QB who is going to break scheme when he cannot dissect what is in front of him??

  • Bdawk20

    Where did I wish injury on Vick? I said his value is far greater being traded and bringing us something back because it is not going to make a difference if Vick or Foles is our QB. Foles will run the offense better, Vick will make a few amazing plays, but not be as consistent. Vick’s value is as high as it will ever be and after he bombs this season, which he will, there is nothing for us to get back for him.

  • nicksaenz1

    So you’ll rip apart Foles’ college record and ignore the fact that he set every school passing record w/o 5star athletes at all skill positions and lost games that were shootouts due to a terrible D, but you just now said that Leinart n Sanchez needed those same types of players for success? What do you think Barkley had that made him so good? Good ol’ Dutch logic at it again. Don’t actually respond. You’ll just try to spin your argument again.

  • Bdawk20

    Thanks for the tired cliche.

  • Dutch

    If that is indeed the approach the Eagles are taking, they should never win a title and would be served a type of justice in the universe of karma to spend time this season on a continuous chase of backs streaking down the sidelines on their way to long rushing touchdowns.

    The eagles could have drafted the Honey Badger he was available for the taking to fill a position of need and was deemed a certified playmaker. And he likes girls.

  • Anon

    Agree with all of that. The way he dances between the tackles and in space it’d be a real shame if he couldn’t fix the problem, but as I watched his highlight videos he’s WAY better than last year.

  • #7

    Why can’t you support the team instead of holding your daily “critique every throw Vick makes” show.

  • RIP illa

    Cause he crossed that line, long ago. The line that separates supporting Foles and being a Vick hater.

    Foles supporters can accept that he lost the comp and are still routing for the Eagles to do well. Vick haters are still crying and whining and changing the criteria to suit their needs/hate. Vick must play perfect on every play, whether be it hand off or pass!

  • Bdawk20

    Where did I critique every throw Vick makes? His body of work speaks for itself, and it’s not good. But go ahead and pretend it is to counter my points, it’s a good strategy.

  • #7

    And they are proving this to be true that’s for sure.

  • #7

    They can keep raising it. I know check down Foles let them down, but it will take a while. Foles can Fumble, throw ints, and still have the fan base pulling for him lol. Oh, and lose games too

  • RIP illa

    Exactly

  • #7

    That’s what I’m talking about. It’s as simple as
    That. These Foles supporters just refuse to acknowledge that he got beat down.

  • Maggie

    Greatest receiver no doubt. Mind you, he played with 2 of the greatest QB’s throwing to him most of the time, a great RB or two and a good O line. And leave us not forget the coaching. So many, not necessarily you Richard, forget that football is a team game.

  • B-West

    I’m just gonna assume sarcasm to save time.

  • Dutch

    Passing records a the University of Arizona isn’t much of an accomplishment, it’s not as if it’s UCLA, USC or Stanford or as if Arizona has enjoyed the same or similar stellar Football history of those schools, hell it’s not even Cal or in the same category. University of Arizona Basketball, well that’s a different story. Barkley holds the completion and yardage records in the Pac 12 and Foles isn’t even close.

  • Dutch

    It’s not measured how many were recovered, but rather how many times he fumbled. and in 7 games he laid the ball on the ground 8 times and gave up 5 picks, and three potential pick offs were dropped by defenders.

    Foles proved to be a bigger risk than Vick and in this year’s preseason and evaluation non of that has shown itself to have gotten any better. On 4 of his possession he gave the ball away on two occasions, one being a fumble in the pocket, and another a turn over in the red zone.

    Playing against the lessor talented players on a defense should help Foles develop confidence while at the same time improving his mechanics and improve his velocity to NFL readiness.

  • BrickSquadMonopoly

    Yeah but Wolff deserves a legitimate scope. We more than know what were getting with Nate.

  • Bdawk20

    Check down Foles, you coined that name, right?? How long did that take? Come up with one for LeSean McCoy, how about Shady McCoy?? That sounds like a good one. Tell all your friends!

  • Bdawk20

    Hey, look at this guy, exaggerating everything to try to make his point right. Foles must be a 5 year old because he cannot throw the ball more than 4 yards to a receiver.

  • Bdawk20

    Do you coach for the Eagles? If you do, you should probably get back to that. If you don’t, then the above means nothing to anyone.

  • Max Lightfoot

    So let me guess – Vick’s best option is to hang onto the ball and run? Maybe you’ve never heard of it, but there is such a thing as throwing the ball away. If that’s what you want for Vick, him running out of the pocket and getting killed by a DB, then Vick’s gonna have an awfully short season. He’s reverting back to the same stuff he ran last year. Kelly’s whole deal is to get rid rid of the ball ASAP, not hang onto it and injured. But YMMV.

  • Bdawk20

    Finally, good logic. Chip Kelly’s offense is all about taking what the defense gives you, not improvisation and throwing the ball down field. It’s surgical, it’s quick passes, it’s the opposite of what Michael Vick is good at it. Sure, he is good at it in practice because there is no pressure and our defense blows. Everyone forgets that Reid tried to trade for Alex Smith to replace Vick last season because he just isn’t up to stuff. Kelly will find this out the hard way.

  • nicksaenz1

    Being the best receiver at Arizona and a guy transferring to Arizona from a perennial top 25 program in UT aren’t the most ringing endorsements to 5 star talent, where as Barkley threw to the Biletnikoff winner of 2012 and Leinart had the benefit of throwing to Biletnikoff finalist Dwayne Jarrett. If I wanted to see a spin cycle I’d watch my washing machine.

  • GoBirds1

    whenKelly’s system ask to get rid of the ball in 1.5 seconds,
    Why in 19 of 26 of Vicksdrop acks he held the ball for morethan 3 seconds? How is that progress?

  • Andy124

    To be fair, the 1.5 seconds thing has been overblown imo. It’s basically coachspeak, like, if you touch a football you should catch it. That’s not realistic.

    The 1.5 seconds is more of an ideal than an expectation.

    I agree with your main point, just pointing out the problem with focussing on the 1.5 seconds tidbit.

  • knighn

    IT is completely true that Vick hold the ball more than most quarterbacks.

  • #7

    If you knew football, you would know that is unrealistic most of the time. Vick may have been doing something right. He won the job

  • knighn

    I replied with a little more detail to GoBirds1.

  • Andy124

    Weird. Your post wasn’t showing at all. I switched up the sort and poof, there it was.

  • knighn

    Ah, the magic of Disqus…

  • nicksaenz1

    Can’t turn a ho into a housewife…

  • knighn

    Andy Reid was a very good coach. He was and remains a very flawed coach. For all of his flaws, he brought the longest extended streak of success to the Eagles since 1960. He made the Eagles a consistent contender.

    I hope, in time that fans realize that Andy Reid was a good coach for Philly. I hope, ultimately, that Chip Kelly ends up as a better coach for Philly, because that will mean that the Eagles will finally have their Super Bowl win…