Afternoon Obsession: Shapes of Philadelphia

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London-based graphic designer Yoni Alter taps Philadelphia with a neon wand in his Shapes of Cities series. From the towering Mellon Bank Center to the here puny Clothespin, he draws the cityscape to scale. He crafts other cities as seen from a particular vantage point. A lover of bright colors, popular culture, London, and New York, Yoni extends his heart to Philly, transforming a glass and steel skyline into an industrial kaleidoscope.

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  • Kleptolia

    Love the panic from eagles fans right now.
    Everybody relax. It’s all going to be fine. I haven’t seen this much panic over a victory since I was last reading the Oregon boards.

    • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

      “I haven’t seen this much panic over a victory…”

      And that says it all right there.

      lol

      • guest1

        victory in the preseason????

        • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

          yes. you can “win” preseason games – which makes the panic by so many even more hilarious. It’s preseaon…the sky is NOT falling.

    • Richard Colton

      the final score in a preseason game means nothing. there was plenty about this game to discourage. O-line looked like it was playing together for the first time, which it was. Secondary looked terrible, which it is. Brown looked like Bo Jackson and Bernie Kosar has a love child. We have to play better than this to improve on 4-12.

      • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

        I say we are 8-8 as a base. We did that in 2011 with more problems. If we can get it right (not shooting ourselves in the foot) we can get to 10-6 and a playoff berth.

      • guest1

        O-Line, definitely more disappointing than the D. We know the D is going to be mediocre and we can live with it, but not the O line. My biggest problem with the Eagles though is that they boast too much…why can’t Vick, D Sean, Celek, Shady just shut up and play the game…all this unstoppable, sky is the limit, nonsense talk has to stop when you are the bottom of the barrel.

        • http://www.rodericksilva.com Roderick Silva

          But on the other hand it is good that they feel like that. Imagine if they were starting the season doubting CK and the offense’s ability to move the ball?

      • http://www.rodericksilva.com Roderick Silva

        I’ll take a Bo Kosar or Bernie Jackson RB. Anything with Bo DNA in it.

    • Scott J610

      There’s no panic, just observations. And what we saw wasn’t good. The first two quarters was all that mattered – and we lost. We lost to the lousy Jaguars who played a backup QB and their defense is less than average.

      • Kleptolia

        These games are glorified scrimmages. My comment on the victory was partly tongue in cheek. On the other hand, this being a preseason game means that panic is unwarranted. Chip wasn’t using the plays that he generally likes to use. He may have been seeing how the O-line handles pressure by putting them in pass protection more often. He might have been testing Vick’s ability to win a game when it’s set squarely on his shoulders.
        All I know is that the Eagles weren’t playing the Jags out there. They were playing themselves.

        • Clark Muncie

          Agreed. Any Duck fan knew within about 3 “whiparound” seconds that last night was only an exercise. Doesn’t mean he has the NFL all figured out – yet – but last night was vanilla on a stick.

        • Scott J610

          According to Chips press conference, he couldn’t do the things he wanted on offense because of the Jaguars defense and the way they lined up.

          • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

            Do you honestly believe that?

          • Kleptolia

            I saw such a quote from Kelce, but not Chip. I saw Chip saying that he didn’t want to throw everything at his team at once. However, I didn’t see the whole presser. I might have missed that.
            I guarantee you that Chip isn’t scratching his head over the Jags scheme, though. His focus will be on individual execution along the offensive line.

        • OregonDucker

          THIS is how Chip operates. “They were playing themselves”.

          • EssellC

            OK. I’m going to calm down and trust you Oregon guys who have been following Chip longer than the average Eagles fan. I pray you are right. I don’t expect them to win a Super Bowl this year and, even if they don’t make it to the playoffs, I just want them to be competitive and see steady improving progress from game to game.

          • http://www.rodericksilva.com Roderick Silva

            It’s kinda cool to see Oregon fans in here rooting for CK. I’ve learned more about football this preseason than ever before. It has a lot to do with Birds 24/7, CK, and the Duck fans.

        • EssellC

          Oh, God, I hope you’re right about that.

  • anon

    Im sort of surprised that the O-line was surprised by the slanted fronts because I think i’ve specifically seen Oregon’s D-line do this on defense in the fish-duck films. So was surprised that Kelly didn’t adjust. That said, its probably better not to show adjustments in pre-season.

    Given the way Carolina’s D beat down the ravens i feel better about our offense. Defense is scary bad. Alfred Morris is going to crush us.

    • Finlay Jones

      After the first couple of series, the o lne looked a lot better. i

    • JamesDDl

      Plenty of work to do over the next two weeks. Watched the skins game and their D looks solid. Guessing Iggs will see a lot of whatever the jags were throwing at them for the first few games.
      Sure would like to see the starters on both sides of the ball in the jets game – think the need for reps way outweighs the injury concern. Don’t like the idea of going into week 1 with doubt and a bad taste in my mouth.

      Also like to see MV run uptempo for a couple of series, going into the season.
      Thinking that the only real reason for CK to bench MV is if he clearly demonstrates that he can’t execute the full package offense as it is intended.
      Right now we have no idea.

    • Token

      Yea the lack of adjustment is a bit worrying, preseason or not.

      Also, for whatever reason, they have hardly run the really uptemo offense at all when Vick is in the game. So I dont think the offense we see in Washington is going to be crazy fast like people expect.

      It was funny after the game Wolff said something like “Im not known for bad angles”. Well, anyone who has seen him play before knows thats a laugh. He looked just like college tape last night.

      Curry keeps making a case to start. Kendricks had atleast a good few series that I noticed. Other than that I cant think of a good thing on defense. This was Jax lead by Chad Henne after all.

      Gus had his starters playing harder than ours plain and simple. For years its been like this. To often in games the Eagles are clearly the team not giving as much as the other team. Really hoping that changes.

      • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

        “Also, for whatever reason, they have hardly run the really uptemo
        offense at all when Vick is in the game. So I dont think the offense we
        see in Washington is going to be crazy fast like people expect.”

        In the Carolina game Vick ran the uptempo and faster than Foles. Everyone seems to forge that. I expect you see his Oregon uptempo mixed with NFL passing concepts so a hybrid of the first half and second half come Redskins time.

        • anon

          vick is quicker between plays but I think Foles’ plays are quicker so it makes him seem like he’s running the offense faster.

          A question is how vanilla was the 4th quarter defense against Foles — if it was the same defense I wonder how the o-line adjusted or what Foles may have done better.

        • OregonDucker

          Shock and Awe is coming to the Skins.

          • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

            I think so to. I’m hoping to embarrass them….

      • Weapon Y

        As a Curry fan I hate to say this, but if Chip’s only going to give him reps with the third team, it’s very possible he won’t even make the roster. Even if he does, it’s likely he isn’t active on gameday. That would be a tragedy considering how well Curry has done.

        • Adam

          There is absolutely 0 chance that Vinny Curry doesn’t make the roster. Stop with this nonsense.

      • EssellC

        Me too. I think it’s a carry-over from the laid-back Reid years. Teams always, and I mean ALWAYS, seem to play with more intensity than the Eagles while the Eagles tried to finesse themselves to a win. This is not good. Chip needs to change that. They need more swagger and an intimidating attitude. That’s where Cary Williams could help.

    • rth1

      Chip Kelly didnt want to show his cards. Also, I wouldnt be surprised if he actually told Vick to throw that pick, so teams will underestimate Vick “ahh he’s just the same old Vick, nothing to worry about about prepping much for the Eagles”

      But it is great news CK obviously told Vick to get down fast.

      And its even better news Vick looked like he listened!

      Just no reason to risk an injury for 2 more yards by not sliding. The Ducks blew their whole season so many times when the QB got injured for no reason, like Dennis Dixon in 2007 or whatever year that was.

      • EssellC

        Kelly needs to tell Vick AND Brown how to secure the ball when in a crowd. The both carry the ball as though they’re Wall Street brokers carrying a briefcase. That aint gonna get it.

        • http://www.rodericksilva.com Roderick Silva

          Shady scares me too. He holds the ball like a loaf of bread.

          • BlindChow

            I hold my bread high and tight.

  • Johnny Utah

    This team sucks and is going 5-11

  • ReggieKush

    It’s going to be a long season……That’s all folks

  • Rick H

    Tim, suddenly from Kelly on down to the players this sounds like “excuse making”. Even you saying the credit goes to Gus Bradley…” sounds like that? Why have Vick run a slower paced offense??? It makes no sense! Remember all the fans and national reporters saying this offense (Oregon offense) is perfect for Vick. Eight in the box and defensive lineman slanting throws the whole offense off? Your right Tim it did but that is really alarming if you are the Eagles organization.
    I can only imagine what Haslett has planned for The Eagles on opening night. Plus I haven’t even talked about the defense. Seems to me that Davis already has a team that over pursues and is an easy team to cut back against in the running game and like last year are out of position by getting out of their assignments and gaps. Vinny Curry should be starting yet it seems like the way Baldinger was talking that he is “on the bubble” although Baldy says he has been the best defensive lineman on the team so far and he is right. Graham once again is getting to the QB’s but he doesn’t seem to be in Davis & Kelly’s plans. They do not have very much on defense to start with yet I have this fear that they will be incredibly foolish enough to trade Graham or Curry or not be on the Eagles somehow. If that happens I for one would say the Eagles from the front office all the way down to the cheerleaders are in BIG trouble. For a dress rehearsal third pre season game the Eagles looked horrible against a bad team. Defense is paper thin with a injury here or that will cause the team to be in disarray. Playing the wrong guys is another concern for the defense. Davis the D coordinator has me big time concerned about his abilities on talent evaluation and defensive design. On offense I am not buying the two different tempos of offense. Vick going slow and Foles fast??? Something is wrong there!

    • anon

      I hear you but its not that serious. From what I heard Vick has been killing running Kellys offense (see preseason 1 and 2, but heard especially at practice he’s just way better). I think the thought that Graham / Curry wouldn’t make the team is silly. D does worry me too, I don’t generally love Billy Davis, but the D didn’t look that bad aside from the cutback run. Make no mistake there will be bad plays, it happens.

      Don’t forget Gus is a great defensive mind, and he had something to prove this game. I think they game planned for it (hopefully more than CK). We have a long way to go, but i’m trusting that Chip knows what he’s doing and just didn’t want to show too much considering it’s a meaningless game.

      • G_WallyHunter

        Agreed. good points, I hate to jump to those kind of conclusions when so much information is unavailable. Who knows what CK was doing out there, testing Vick, not showing adjustments, etc…. to make assumptions that the simple slanted Dline threw off the whole offensive system and the organization should be worried (mind you, I am also worried about what Haslett has planned for Monday night lol) is a little drastic..

      • EssellC

        They DID game plan for this game. I can’t remember off-hand where I read, or heard it but, if pressed, I could locate it in the archives.

    • RIP illa

      So if Curry should be starting, where is he starting at? Are you going to start him over Cox? Cause ideally that’s what he is and where he should be. He good at getting in the backfield (penetrating). All the plays we’ve seen that make us think he should be starting are of him penetrating, either as a DT on a pass rush, or if it’s a run he’s basically 1 gapping. The problem w/ all that is that Davis is trying to get the team to 2 gap for now. That means less penetration and more eating up blocks. I wish Sheil or Tim would breakdown game film of Curry against the run when he’s 2 gapping like how he’s supposed to be doing. The. We would get a more accurate picture of whether he should really start or not. And then we can discuss whether he’d be a suitable 5 or LDE over Thorton. But you also have to keep in mind, that Davis likes a certain build for his players playing that position, ie Thorton’s height, length, and size. And also Thorton has been playing very well and following what his assignments are on this D.

      • Rick H

        You make SOME REASONABLE points! However good defensive football is about getting to the QB. I could give you 50 yrs of examples of how good/great defenses beat offenses because they disrupted the QB. The NFL today is all about the QB. Hit him/sack him/make him think and so on. You have heard over and over “we are going to suit our systems to our strengths on our team” Well then put the best guys out there and adjust the system to them. Davis is putting square pegs in round holes. It works sometimes but not all the time. To answer your question I say load up the front with Curry, Cox, Graham, Thornton,Cole and pressure the QB. The Eagles have Geathers out there. He is on his sixth team in six years. It is not happening. Put Logan and Square where they belong this early in their careers as backups and work them in.
        As for the 3rd pre season game (and I am really excited Kel y is here) he would the first head coach in a long time to shut down and hide his offense in this key dress rehearsal. Something didn’t go as planned obviously. Why do run that offense (if you think that is what they really did)? Undermine their confidence? Get away from everything they have practiced from OTA’s on? I don’t think so and I am not buying it.

        • RIP illa

          Davis is doing what he wants so right now I would say that the whole…”we’re gonna play to our personnel strength…” is more of Kelly talking for the offensive side of the ball. So I believe Davis has full autonomy on that side of the ball and right now he wants to 3-4 2 gap and yes he is doing the square peg round hole thing. Will this change…I don’t know. So the question is still there.

          The team can’t run a two gap 3-4 and put all the guys we like out there. Some just have to become part of the rotation. Unless Curry is staying responsible to the defense we’re running, eating up blocks, holding up against the run, and doing all that while he’s on his way into penetrating the backfield…then the only way he should start is if you’re willing to sit Cox or make Cox play LDE, or Thorton starts to play like crap.

          I’m all for a Nickle rush of Cox, Curry, Graham, Barwin/Cole. But to say Curry should be starting, which has become a popular narrative, w/o actuall knowing how he’s holding up against the run or whether or not he’s playing w/ in the scheme, is no good. So until he meets and/or exceeds the criteria for his defensive responsibilities, he should not start or be made a primary D-lineman. Let him stay where he’s at, which is in the rotation. His playing time should and will increase though.

          As far as the Vick and O thing…Kelly called a very unbalanced, slowed down, different O than he did towards the end of the game w/ Foles in. Vick still should have played better. Yet, by no means did Vick play bad. Kelly essentially called 2 different games. I have no concrete idea of why he did this. I just think he wanted to work on and see some different things for and from the 1st team. T-Law has a decent post about this over on his site.

          • OregonDucker

            Rip – ” Kelly essentially called 2 different games. I have no concrete idea of why he did this.” – I believe Chip did this (i.e. let Foles loose) to win the game. Even though it is preseason, Chip absolutely hates to lose.

        • http://www.rodericksilva.com Roderick Silva

          If we are going to stay 3-4 then we should look into trading some of the linemen that don’t fit. We could use a SS.

  • Brian

    I believe we saw Chip Kelly’s weakness tonight. When the run game is stuffed, you go to the passing game. His passing game is based upon the success of the running game. It doesn’t function independently. He’s learning, I imagine he will eventually figure it out, and we will be able to overcome run stuffing defenses. This is what Ron Jaworski was talking about, when he said Chip’s offense won’t work in the NFL. However, I have faith in CK to make the necessary changes to his offensive schemes.

    • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

      I think you saw a pre-season game and Kelly isn’t real interested in showing his hand.

      • anon

        CK will rule when the games count.Pre-season is for player evaluation, development and preparation, especially when there’s a new coach installing a new scheme. Relax and enjoy. Take it for what it is, not for what it isn’t.

        • G_WallyHunter

          great way to put it, and many fans on this board would save a lot of time and thinking if they just relaxed and let the preseason play out while simply praying to the football injury gods for a safe month of exhibition. You know who you are, I don’t have to name any names.
          It’s fine making assumptions and I enjoy the debate aspect of it, just as long as you don’t put too much weight into it. Personally, I just observe different parts and avoid wasting time making these major assumptions on the state of the organization and/or the O/D systems based on a few exhibition games haha

      • Brian

        I agree, but his schemes are facing a caliber of opposing defenses that he’s not had the pleasure of adjusting to in the past. I’m not saying he’s going to fail, I’m saying he’s still learning.

    • http://www.rodericksilva.com Roderick Silva

      I hear you but don’t you think he has seen this during his college days? I’m sure he faced teams that could stuff the run game. If they are stuffing your horizontally I’d have to assume you stretch them vertically along the sidelines.

    • BlindChow

      But they didn’t even try to run during that first series. It was Martyball: very few runs & lots of play-action passes with long-developing routes. When they actually went to the quick-strike “Chip Kelly Offense” when Foles was in the game there was no problem moving the ball. Did the Jags change their defensive strategy at that point? It looked to me like the play-calling was completely different.

  • joethomas215

    I am gonna remain calm, and optimistic. Go Eagles, play better against the Jets. Vick does suck,

  • Eagles4Life

    Y’all have GOT to breathe. Did we not move the ball and score? Sans the two fumbles we were looking at between 6-14 additional points than the 16 we had at the time with the first team in. The offense was erratic at the beginning, yes, but we moved the ball and put ourselves in position to score. Is that not what the purpose is in football? “Equal Opportunity Offense” anybody? The offensively line eventually got their sht together, but we only had 1 or 2 three and outs. There’s 3 phases to the game, and I don’t think it was by luck that our special teams got some things done for us as well.

    • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

      The Raiders fanbase is more optimistic than Philly’s fanbase and they don’t have a lot to be happy about. You’d think Vick fumbled the ball a few time and threw a couple of picks with the way folk are behaving.

      And yes – the D gave up that long TD run but overall they held the Jags to 24. Not bad.

      And the penalties that ended TD drives and turned them into field goal drives. But the sky is falling. And Vick sucks. And the D is abysmal. I know. I know.

      • Eagles4Life

        The comments I see sometimes just indicate how ignorant people are about football lol. It’s crazy. The amount of people saying Vick sucks is ridiculous. The guy was 15-23, had like 3-4 throwaways when receivers were covered (which is what everybody has been screaming at him to do for years), took what was given to him as far as running (didn’t take any real hits), and had a bad pick that looked like he was trying to throw away. But he sucks. The defense allowed an early TD, but tightened up. The long TD was a bad angle taken by Wolff, but that’s all. We’ve seen that happen twice this preseason, and that’s truly my only real concern. Our pass defense is better than advertised. They aren’t allowing receivers a lot of big plays, they’re keeping everything in front of them, and they are definitely staying sound when we dial up the blitz. Adjustments/tweaks have to be made, but the sky is not falling at all.

        • Richard Colton

          Our pass D made Chad Henne to Justin Blackmon look like Stafford to Megatron. The front 7 tightened up yes, but it was against an inferior team.

          • Eagles4Life

            The first drive was terrible, I acknowledge that. We allowed 144 pass yards total for the game, a little over 100 while Henne was in for those 2 and a half quarters. That’s more than efficient. If we shore up the splash plays in the run game, we’ll be fine. Bend but don’t break is the name of the game with us this year.

          • Richard Colton

            we hope. the bigger problem is lack of talent on D. I’d swap our entire defensive backfield for about 20 teams’ right now. Kendricks/Cox/Barwin/Casey/Logan – everyone else is blah.

          • anon

            I think that’s unfair. Have to at least add Chung in there. I’m surprised that you didnt include boykin.

          • Richard Colton

            ok – yeah, Boykin. But he’s a nickle, thats it. Chung? He’s the best Eagles safety. How’s that for damning with faint praise?

          • Eagles4Life

            Yeah, maybe. I’ve seen more than a couple teams win or go to the Super Bowl recently with average or below average defenses. Not saying that’s an expectation for us this year, but I’m alright with a bend but don’t break mantra, provided we can create sacks and turnovers, which I think we can.

          • anon

            I think that’s what billy davis is trying to do about. We aren’t going to be amazing but all that matters is that we prevent people from scoring points. Given we had 3 turnovers, 24 points isnt that bad.

          • Adam

            Man I think you should sit down and rewatch the game. You’re blowing a lot of stuff out of proportion.

          • Richard Colton

            Here’s what I liked: Brown’s running, no injuries, Barwin, Kendricks, Casey, Curry, Lane Johnson and Peters after the 2nd series, D Johnson on kick and punt returns.

            What I didn’t: streetball Vick, ball security, secondary vs Jags first team, safety play all night.

            Some ups, some downs. Offense didn’t look as crisp as they did vs. Carolina. what am I missing?

          • Adam

            The secondary played fine after the first drive. They’re not amazing but they are an improvement from last year. They played tight coverage and besides the blown assignment on the TD to Blackmon they kept the plays in front of them. They’re not going to be picking off balls and getting pick 6s. Just keep everything in front of them and tighten up in the RZ, which is what they’ve been doing the past 2 weeks.

            Blackmon is a talented receiver and that shouldn’t be downplayed just because he plays for Jacksonville. He was a good test and made some good plays.

          • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

            “streetball Vick,”

            Oh boy…while I can’t stand the terminology “streeball Vick” was the only thing keeping us in the game those first few series when the oline wasn’t looking so great.

          • Richard Colton

            true. but that’s not Chip’s offense, and you can’t win that way.

      • Richard Colton

        Raiders fans are clowns. they care more about makeup and costumes than football. Nothing about last night was surprising. Vick ran the offense, which we knew he could, and made a number of bad choices, which he’ll always do. Seriously, I don’t get mad at J-Roll anymore when he loafs to 1st base or swings at the 1st pitch – he’s going to do it from time to time. you just hope it doesn’t bite him in the form of injury/turnover.

        • Mark Saltveit

          You’re thinking of Juggalos, not Raiders fans.

      • OregonDucker

        After your heart has been broken a few times, you start to get cynical and negative. You know, women and football suck.

        • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

          As a woman…I object to this comment.

          lol

  • anon
    • RIP illa

      Better yet…lions release Ronnell Lewis. I want no parts of a 32 year old safety during the 1st round of cuts. But as for Lewis he’s a good young player and the lions are kinda deep at DE. So I hope we get him, as I really want us to keep 5 OLBs, switch Graham from SOLB w/ McCoy, since McCoy is longer, more agile, and can cover better. Therefore he should be backing up Barwin. And put Lewis in the rotation w/ Cole and Graham. I’m not really high on Cole as a coverage or rush OLB at the moment.

  • Explorer51

    The most worrisome thing for me, and I know all the “vanilla offense” blah blah, is that Michael Vick’s default position is stuck in the “Michael Vick Experience” days; early in his career, he was so talented he was able to bend the game to his will…and now, at 32, he has to let the game come to him and I’m just not sure if his ego will let him do that. I want to see him succeed as much as anyone but even his most ardent supporters have to admit that he looked, and played, really uncomfortably last night. And he was surrounded by the full complement of starters, including his O-line, with the full confidence of knowing that he was the anointed guy. (BTW, maybe the O-line looked less effective because Vick was so indecisive?) Will his superior arm and capability of being a better running option on the option plays outweigh his seeming inability to overcome his ego to spurn the five yard check downs or the inevitable sack? Maybe Nick Foles, with less experience and sheer talent, will strive harder for consistency and dependability because he trusts the system and his teammates more?

    • G_WallyHunter

      I hope CK recognizes this and is working on it right now. I didn’t watch the whole game, was too busy at my live fantasy draft (got McCoy in 1, Desean in 6, Vick in 8), but hopefully they’re identifying the WHY’s and fixing them here. I am still reserving real judgement until the Monday nighter… just observing for now

    • RIP illa

      Lol. No excuses for Vick…no excuses for the O-line. That’s the only real problem I had w/ what you said. The O-line got handled plain and simple. They even interviewed as to why. So please don’t try and put their errors on Vick.

    • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

      You know what worried me about Vick last night? How horribly he was selling some of those fakes. He hasn’t looked that bad at it in a couple of years. He needs to work on that.

      • Richard Colton

        agreed, but we’ve seen him sell play action before, so Im not worried – he’s not Cam Newton. what worries me is holding the ball too long and throwing off his back foot. Two steps forward (Pats, Carolina) one step back (Jags).

  • ojdiddoit

    Im not worried about Vick,this offense is going to run,run,run then run some more..You don’t have three talented backs and a QB who can scamper and not run!

    • http://www.rodericksilva.com Roderick Silva

      Teams are going to put 8 in the box until we can prove that we can hurt them with the passing game. Right now I’d have to assume the general game plan is “don’t let Shady beat you” and “force Vick to beat you with the pass”

  • Max Lightfoot

    Haven’t seen the game yet, as I live in New Mexico and the NFL Network is showing the Dallas game today. Hopefully I will catch the Eags/Jags game later in the week and see for myself. But from what I’m reading, including the posts on this blog, the Eags ran into a decent D-line last night, one that manhandled our O-line.

    Which makes sense, with a guy like Gus Bradley (my choice for Eagles coach, BTW – not that it matters now – at least we don’t have Rex Ryan). As I’ve said before (ad nauseam, perhaps), if our O-line is shaky this season, we’re gonna go 6-10 and no better – no matter who the QB is. Jason Peters is the most talented Eagle we have, so his effectiveness is paramount to this season, IMO. I will be watching closely when the game is finally broadcast out here.

    • OregonDucker

      The Eagles game is on NFL Network at 9pm Pacific today.

      • Max Lightfoot

        Thanks, Mr. Ducker!

  • DunedinEagle

    I wonder if Gus Bradley would have hitched his wagon to PickVick??? Oh well Chip & Vick will sell tickets so as long as Jeffrie is happy I guess…. Would have been too boring to go with Bradley and Foles and build something special taking a few lumps and high draft picks along the way. I can almost see the waiting list for season tickets dwindling before my very eyes.

    • Adam

      Yep, throw in the towel. Week 3 preseason was for all the marbles!

      • Richard Colton

        at this point, why bother watching? our only chance now is if Jeffery takes the franchise to LA and we start from scratch.

      • DunedinEagle

        You must have me confused with a fan. I’m merely an observer at this point and don’t like what I see anymore than the last 5-6 years. I’m not throwing in any towels I really don’t care as long as Vick is still apart of this team and to some extent McCoy and Jackson as well. You see I despise ignorance and these three have it oozing out of their ear holes.

        • Adam

          Im sorry to hear that.

  • Toms river dave

    It is irresponsible to allow Chip this facade of having Vick start. He showed himself to be mediocre the last 2 years and repeated the same last night. We need to know if Foles/ Barkley can lead this team into the future. To not use this season to find that out is highly irresponsible.

  • Toms river dave

    If Foles/ Barkley can not then this next season draft pick needs to be a qb. If they can then they can move on to olb and safety. If Vick does well this year that makes us a 7 team win instead of 5…big deal

  • Iggles4Lyfe

    Well, considering the Eagles went 4-0 last preseason, I think It’s safe to say that these games don’t matter much.

    • Iggles4Lyfe

      as far as W’s concern, anyway.

  • Myke Lowery

    can someone post pff stats of how the oline has blocked this preseason/ this game? I’m thinking Herremans isn’t having a good go at it. but the stats will probably be more telling.

  • Richard Colton

    the scrape! what a bummer, I thought we had the unstoppable play. This is worse than when Iceland stopped the “Flying V” or when Chosen blocked the Crane Kick.

    • RIP illa

      Lol. Everybody who’s at the stadium should get little double sided drums. Then we won’t have to worry about the scrape ever again!!!

    • Johnny Domino

      Just sweep the leg.

  • Byter

    A couple of things. One counter to the scrape is a triple read-option. If one of the 3 WR’s split to the right curls tight, Vick throws the ball to him instead of running. Also, I’m watching the replay of the game right now. The O-line is awful. No excuse for Vick, but Herremans was beaten badly on the interception. I’m almost wondering if Watkins is grading out better than Herremans…

    • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

      The Vick pick was very similar to the Foles pick. Bad line play yes, but their poor decision compounded the problem. Just take the sack.

      • Byter

        Agreed

      • Richard Colton

        here’s how they were different: Foles made the right decision to throw the ball away, but couldn’t execute. Vick made the wrong decision to not throw the ball away, and made a bad pass off his back foot. Let’s not call it “streetball”, let’s call it hubris.

        • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

          No it wasn’t the right decision to throw the ball away. He was being sacked. He should have taken the sack. Same as Vick.

        • poetx99

          i thought chip said in his presser that vick was trying to throw it away?

  • rocketscientist

    To me on that one “scrape” play mentioned, it looks like Herremans is free (or some other lineman right in front of the line backer with no one to block) is supposed to block that line backer…..so it seems like he should be accounted for, and if blocked, will be nullified. I dont know, possibly I am wrong but its just what I see. Herremans let the LB run right by him…………

    • hawaiieaglesfan

      The blocking scheme was to first run option playside. Herremans wa not in positon to block qb option run. The linebacker was headed for the 9 gap, not Herremans responsibilty. Just good defensive scheme for the read option. Not bad play.

      • Warhound

        Yeah, not H-rmans fault – as you say.

        • hawaiieaglefan

          Although he did miss his blocking assignment on the vick interception

  • Ray

    Vick gets named the starter and has his worst outing. Coincidence?

  • atlvickfan

    65% completions and 8 YPA last night. Those are Pro Bowl numbers. If that is what “erratic” gets you, I’ll take erratic all day.

    • Warhound

      Yeah, a YPA of eight put’s him between the two best career numbers ever; that being Otto Graham and Sid Luckman.

  • Warhound

    The first play from scrimmage, it looked to me that Vick should’ve gone with the bubble screen. Thoughts?

    • hawaiieasgles fan

      Do u have an all 22 pic?

      • Warhound

        No :( just noticed as they lined up

    • hawaiieaglefan

      Took a look at the highlight reel at nfl rush. Assuming there are 2 wr at the right (could not see top of field) 1 to wide to the left. Since the 2 wr were not in tandem (typical with chip) i dont think the screen was in play as an option. But presnap the numbers were there since the lb seemed like he had inside gap responsibilty. But post snap Vick was immediately flushed to the left due to the pressure. Had he made throw to the right side he would be throwing across his body and across the field. An ill advised throw for any qb. In the end he threw to avant who was single covered. He made the right read.

    • poetx99

      yes. he should have. this is the one where he threw the ball away? he had avant or desean (forget which) out in the flat. he looked to the flat, then looked deeper, then back to the flat, by which time the defenders were closing.

      he needs to get the ball out into space and take the 3, 4 or 5 yards there.

      that will come w/ reps.

  • Dr Rick

    We’re going to see that scrape technique a lot. Hard to know if Kelce didn’t call right protection or if Mathis just messed up or what.

    • hawaiieaglefan

      When calling a read option run play linemen do not call protection assignments. The call downfield attack blockingassignments. Unfortunately the blocking assignments are to the playside. Not to the qb option side. The scrape or spy play is designed to take the qb run away. Either you make that lb miss or get rid of th ball.

      • Dr Rick

        You are right, Plus, I had a brain f*rt and was thinking about the other stunt play but said scrape.

  • Dr Rick

    Nice article!

    I can’t watch the replay so I’m not sure why Mike was hurried and flushed so much. It seemed like he didn’t really have his feet under him in the pocket much of the time. I’m not sure how much of it was the Jags’ pressure and how much was us. He just seldom seemed to have his rhythm. He either missed his hot reads or else they just weren’t there.

    There is a nice article at Grantland about QB development, with some good stuff on footwork setting up the progression of reads.

    “His feet are telling him when to move to no. 2 and no. 3,” current San Francisco head coach Jim Harbaugh said to a room full of quarterback coaches back when he was coaching at the University of San Diego.
    “One-two-three-four-five-plant — throw it. If it’s not there, first hitch is to the [second read], and then the second hitch is to [third read].”
    This must be precise. “If you have a passing system where he’s dropping back and waiting for a guy to come open, a lot of bad stuff is going to happen,” said Harbaugh.

    http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/9590729/how-new-class-promising-nfl-quarterbacks-reach-greatness

    • hawaiieaglefan

      Good stuff. Im going to check out grandland often. Thanks for the info

  • hawaiieaglefan

    Hate to say it but the eagles oline is pretty bad in pass protection. They are seem to be more suited for run blocking. I hope they will stick to the “block for the run on every play philosopy” we saw what happened when they tried to keep a clean pocket for vick.

    • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

      Very reminiscent of the 2011 line. Good run blocking unit not so good against the pass.

      • hawaiieaglesfan

        Oline was healthy then as they are now. So no excuses. Dejavu.

  • poetx99

    the scrape technique was used on a couple of plays in the first preseason games and the eagles dealt with it.

    as others have mentioned, there are a number of things that can be done to counter. for one, you can simply call the IZR or OZR with no ‘read’, and give the ball to the RB and expect him to beat the unblocked DE

    2 – you can do the bubble screen

    3 – you can change your keys randomly and occasionally option the LB.

    if teams are routinely doing this and the eagles change the blocking assignments, they will get burned on this, big time.

    (tackle steps down like normal IZR action to entice the DE to crash, then, engages DE while everyone else blocks down. LB vacates the c gap on scrape assignment and shady cuts back into the vacated gap for huge gain.

  • hillbillybirdsfan

    Despite being pressured early I did like the fact that Vick was getting to the sidelines on runs (heck he almost even slid once) and throwing the ball away when nothing was there. I didn’t like the INT and that heave when he was in the grasp. There are multiple players on offense that can take it to the house on any given play. It’s important to avoid turnovers and negative plays and give them more opportunities to do so. Brown needs to realize that he can have a special career and make a whole lot of money if he can just tuck that darned ball away.

  • Bird of Prey

    I’m watching this game in Raleigh at 1:30 in the morning, and think the line blocks like Mudd is still the OL coach. Then I look at Vick throwing three plays in a row, and look for Marty on the sidelines. I think Vick is a veteran presance that still can’t read a defense and make a three step drop or audible into a run play when the defensive alignment screams for it. If Kelly thinks this team can win games without running it 60% of the time with this personnel, he in for a rough year. It looks like either Kelce or Mathis have no clue. Bizzare game……..

    • hawaiieaglesfan

      Sorry the way I read it the defense took the run away by running cover 1 and stacking the box. I did not see any defensive alignment that sccramed run the ball. As a matter of fact it screamed I dare you to pass. The only way you could run on that defense would be to start pulling guards to the play side to regain the numbers advantage. I dont think chip would do that during preseason. Nope what he tried to do was pass deep testing that cover 1. What chip found out is that the o line cannot pass protect.

      • hawaiieaglesfan

        *screamed

  • Nytebane

    So what you’re saying is that this isn’t all on Vick and the O-line should get some blame?? Blasphemy!!

  • Scott J610

    Glad this happened now instead of during the regular season. They have two weeks to get the O-line straightened out.

  • Mike Flick

    Good stuff, excellent explanation of the scrape.

    Looks like on the last one that Mathis just didn’t pick up the DE.

    I am anxious to see how Jax does this year, we were really close to riding the Gus Bus.

  • hawaiieaglesfan

    Good eye warhound my thoughts exactly. Thats why i love this site great football iq.

  • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

    Yes in most cases…but not when the defender already has you wrapped up and is taking you down.

  • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

    ” It was a split decision panic throw to Desean.”

    He was trying to throw it away.

  • Pennguino

    The ball traveled 21 yards. Vick’s arm is strong enough to throw that thing 40 yards falling backwards. He still had another 8 yards to even make it to the sideline where DJ is standing. He was aiming for Desean. Just another hero play.

  • kleptolia

    Here’s the link to that video, although I’m sure you already know most of this stuff.

    http://fishduck.com/2012/07/the-fishduck-minute-16-combatting-the-scrape-exchange/

  • Michael Winter Cho

    So there are other Hawaii Eagles fans? Just couldn’t stand the 49ers and then Randall came along. Wonder if you attended the UH vs Notre Dame thriller?

  • hawaiieaglesfan

    Unfortunately i know only one other perspn here who is a hardcore eagles fan here. Everyone here is a niners fan or even worse cowboys fans.
    Yes i was at that notredame game. The kickoff return for a touchdown killed hawaii

  • Michael Winter Cho

    I moved away after graduating in ’92 (Moanalua). My brother and I left the Notre Dame game in the fourth quarter. We were walking home to AMR and we could hear these roars from half a mile away, maybe more. When we got home, we were killing ourselves about leaving early!

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  • hawaiieaglesfan

    Great link. Confirms my suspicion that chip was holding back in preseason. Having Vick taking snaps under center get real!!! Sometimes chip does stuff so opposing dc will watch the film and scratch their heads.

  • poetx99

    exactly. there are too many permutations of a couple of plays to really be sure what you’re seeing and reacting to (and whether they are reacting to you or going with a traditional blocking scheme).

    if we base block the IZ play and they run scrape/replace, it can be huge just like when you happen to have the right run play dialed up against an all out blitz.

    risk / reward definitely in effect. i don’t think that will be a viable long term counter tactic unless the OLB is trying to read the QB / RB mesh on every play. and if he is he will be unduly susceptible to misdirection. at the least he is paying no mind to the slant zone when we fake the bubble screen and send the TE behind the LBs on a slant.

  • Kleptolia

    Chip runs lots of power designed to look like zone read, too. In fact, I still think that McCoy’s 21 yarder against the Panthers was a power play, even though many called it zone read. Can anybody back me up on that, or correct me?

  • goobaby

    Darren Thomas was not a legit passer. Cal pulled the same stuff last year and Oregon won 59-17, with Mariota throwing for 6 TDs.

  • Kleptolia

    That is a well founded worry. A strong corner able to defeat a receivers block could well cause big problems on these plays. That’s why Chip is so intent on his receivers being good blockers.

  • Kleptolia

    It was more than that. Thomas was a decent passer. Cal used over alignments and 5-2 looks. They ran slants and had their safeties aligned for leverage against the run. When Thomas went back to pass, he usually had a hand or two in his face and it affected him.
    Chip tweaked his blocking scheme. The next week, the opponent was running a lot of the same coverage and the Ducks just ran through them.

  • Kleptolia

    Yup.