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  • aub32

    I don’t see why anyone thought there was any other outcome. Chip chose his QB when he convinced Vick to restructure. However, he couldn’t just hand Vick the job, but he knew based on his time seeing Foles in college that Vick could beat him out. Although he had to sell the idea of Foles being a viable starter so that he can trade him this offseason for a second round pick. That pick can then be used to move up and get his eventual franchise QB. It’s all Chip Kelly’s mad genius. (sarcasm)

    • Andy124

      Jeebus aub. I thought you got hacked until I got the last word of your post.

    • EaglePete

      Good call, probably part of it anyway. It actually counters some of my comments of how Vick starting could hinder a rebuild. If we draft another QB, and keep looking for the “franchise” Vick could play a few more seasons here. Depends on how this offense operates vs the whole team of course.

      • #7

        DON’T BE SURPRISED

    • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

      Voted up for beating the conspiracy theorists at their game. lol

    • Not-aub32-fan

      ridiculous

  • daryksr

    If you didn’t see this coming from miles away, you are totally clueless. Hope we can get the full 16 out of MV7 this season, and see points-a-plenty from this offense, which could prove to be as prolific as any offense to date minus the 18-1 Patriots.

  • Cyrus Robinson

    Now that Vick is starter, I want them to use the shoulder pad fly swatters on CB blitzes, because I often see QBs getting picked off obscreen passes, and since Vick is king of getting CB blitzed, it’d help keep the turnovers down.

    • #7

      No worries about that. Chip provides an outlet at all times instead of just sending everyone on long developing routes with no o-line

  • Ron Dugan

    Ain’t no competition no mores. None of dis matters wif a bad defense.

  • Joseph Miller

    If Vick dosen’t start to Slide, we’ll see Foles soon…. Any one else see the quick Knee to Vicks chin at about the 1 min. mark in the first half on his run at the 2 yard line. He might not last 16 is he does slide, but he sure won’t if he goes head first…

    • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

      People keep forgetting that Vick rund like a back or WR PLUS he has aserious forward lean…sliding feet first is near impossible. I’ll thake the “duck and get down” he did on his first run in Carolina. I think that’s as good as it’s gonna get.

  • #7

    So there it is.

    I told you for months that Vick was not done, washed up, etc etc etc. Vick has proved that he’s the best QB for our team. I always knew that Vick would win, but what really got me fired up was the questions about his intelligence. Really? IMO, no matter how badly a QB sucks, if you’re a starter in the NFL for 10 seasons or whatever it is, you can’t fake being smart.

    All of the “can’t read a defense” crap, LOL..EAT IT. Looked like Nick “Mr.Checkdown” Foles couldn’t read the defense, and holding the ball too long. And at 6’6, that arm is WEAK..wow. I’ve gained respect for Foles, but he cannot even be mentioned in the same breath as Vick. If he could, he would have beaten Vick, right? (insert excuses here).

    Vick’s back is against the wall and I’ve been saying it for months that he would step up to the plate and take this job with ease.

    Young Foles, you hold that clipboard tightly and with pride, you hear?

    • Media Mike

      What you’re totally avoiding is seeing how much Foles can improve over the ups and downs of a 16 game season as the starter to see if we need to go into the 2014 draft for a franchise QB. Greg Cosell already said Foles has adequate NFL arm strength, Vick just happens to have on of the best 2 or 3 arms in the game.
      As is right now, I don’t see Vick being the long term answer to our needs at QB. I don’t know if Foles is or isn’t or if we need to go get Teddy Bridgewater in this draft.
      If Vick plays great football all season and minimizes the turnovers (and almost turnovers i.e. dropped INTs like happened in 2010 according to a lot of media folks), I’ll be happy to admit I was wrong. As is right now, I expect Vick to do what Vick has always done.
      That is my view on the QB situation, like it or not. If you and I don’t happen to agree, that’s fine. If you’d like to gloat that your guy won the job, go for it! But please don’t act like there isn’t a valid rhetorical leg for the Foles camp to stand on. Vick hasn’t earned that level of trust.

      • cliff henny

        we need to get Brideggewater or Marioti.

        • RIP illa

          Yup. Even if Vick plays well, he’s still getting up there in age and as far as projections, Teddy and Marioti, project better than Foles. Depending on the number of wins, Mortgage the future, if need be, and get the best QB we can and, as said before, if Vick plays well this season let him start next and have the newly drafted franchise QB ride the pine and develop. A la Rodgers!!!

    • EaglePete

      ha, you have some good ones in this thread, cafeteria and two hands now Nick. Well done. Ill say it again though, he won the battle not the war. Dont be surprised if that stadium turns on him in a heartbeat with some shoddy play even just here or there. Not rooting for it, just wont be surprised is all. Enjoy this while it lasts, that was some heat defending him last year and half. I was in his camp last preseason, just hard to be again. Still is. Need to see it to believe it again in regular season.

  • #7

    There you go Foles. Two hands now.

    • Adam Banks

      Lmao I couldn’t resist this up vote

    • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

      LMAO. SMH.

    • Mr. Wu

      HAHAHA your too much man…that joint is funny though

  • Eagles4Life

    So many bitter people on here grasping at straws after they did this:

    1. Said Vick would be gone after training camp since he “sucks.”
    2. Said Vick wasn’t intelligent enough to run the offense and/or read defenses.
    3. Said Foles has the skillset to clearly beat Vick in any sort of competition and it would show.

    Eat your crow quietly, my friends. Don’t wish injury on your starting quarterback.

    • LeClaw

      1. Vick didn’t face any blitz pressure…all vanilla stuff, so that aspect of the QB competition remains to be evaluate this weekend
      2. With pressure will Vick (who finally learned how to hold a football because he has been doing it wrong his whole life) hold onto the football?
      3. Foles fumbled two snaps, yes but I’d take my chances on a new guy fixing his fumblitous then an oldies

      • Eagles4Life

        1. Like Chip said, they had 38 opportunities to evaluate the QB spot. Do you think they didn’t blitz him any to see what he would do? Preseason is vanilla, true…but you obviously didn’t watch the games if you think nobody blitzed while Vick was in. Lastly, I’d encourage you to read this article from last year http://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2012/10/10/3480048/michael-vick-improving-against-the-blitz-draft which specifically talks about Vick against the blitz. Further, if teams blitzed so heavily, do you think MAYBE for a second that’s because they understood the Eagles scheme and part of the problem was schematics to counter the blitz?

        2. Has Foles held onto the football against vanilla?

        3. Keyword being “you,” and you are not Chip Kelly.

        • LeClaw

          My point was I’ve heard of Vick improving and looking good each off season yet when it comes to game speed he has stumbled.

          I watched the games and he had two points of pressure: Polk picked it up and he sidestepped one guy…I know what he can do on a play!!!! I am asking for consistency!!!!!!

          Thank you for that read, it was fascinating; I have hopes but my statement was made to bring the expectations of Vick down to Earth…Last year you could put Foles & Vicks stats next to each other and not see a major difference

          Our franchise QB who will take us to the playoffs is not on this roster

  • therealpistolp

    Had no picks going in.. Wanted the best man to win the job and he did!!! Vick was clearly the best QB out of the two.. I know y’all foleyacs sick right now

  • Media Mike

    Somebody posted this over on Tommy’s blog, but I think it sums up a lot of why I don’t care to see another go around of Vick as the starter.

    http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles/20130820_Will_Eagles_fans_see_a_new__revitalized_Vick_this_season_.html?viewAllLatest=y&#comments

    • EaglePete

      He said Foles, the second-year QB from Arizona, was “outstanding” when the news was conveyed. Ya Nick, team player. Alright Nick, way to be a team player, stay sharp . Weve been spouting this for a long time in threads Mike, Ill say it again, its way early.

  • theycallmerob

    Wait, how did we go from “Vick named starting QB” to “Vick regains pro bowl form, leads team to championship after drinking from fountain of youth”?

    • nicksaenz1

      You don’t get how one leads directly to the other?

    • #7

      I said none of that. I just focused on this victory. It’s a long season.

      • theycallmerob

        I’m sorry, I missed the part where I directed that at you

    • cliff henny

      have to admit, you didnt think vick had this much game left…i know i didnt, and was slightly for the guy. know it’s early, preseason, et all…it’s encouraging on a couple fronts, for this yr, and projecting future qb in ’14 draft for kelly to mold.

      • theycallmerob

        I wrote this in the new article’s thread, but I do wonder if the OL has looked that good, or if the vanilla defenses helped this along (for both qbs). I hope Vick looks this good against DC’s who have been learning from college coaches all off-season.

        But boy, if the OL really does stay healthy and run-blocks like this….watch out. Vick is like the archetype qb, physically-speaking, for Kelly’s scheme

        • cliff henny

          vanilla defenses, but it’s also vanilla offense. read where they’ve shown maybe 30%. i’m not worried about blitzing, ball isnt in qbs hands long enough and it’s not like college coaches havent tried everything. if it was 1990, i’d be 100% against kelly, cause back then it really was two different games. might be some new wrinkles, but that’s what shurmur’s here for. sure they chewed over every scenerio…kelly doesnt strike me as a guy who’ll be under prepared.

          • theycallmerob

            this is nothing against Kelly- I’m sitting shotgun on his wagon; or rather, probably hanging off the side rails whilst wielding a shotgun and a bottle of ‘shine. But he’s yet to face an NFL defense. And it’s not like Shurmur is some Obi-Wan of the WCO; I laughed at his misery many times during his coaching stint.

          • cliff henny

            yeah buddy! shooting squirrels and cowboy fans as we ride thru the NE countryside!!!

          • theycallmerob

            cowboy fans aren’t worthy of my ammo. simply run the wagon over ‘em. and I really, REALLY hate chipmunks. commie bastards.

    • Mr. Wu

      Well IDK if he will….but I hope he does

  • DunedinEagle

    Screw this team as long as Vick is at the helm. Go Skins game one. Total and complete waste of a season due to this decision. Can’t wait to watch this blow up in Chippah’s face. Take a long look at the list of coaches who risked their future on Ronnie Mexico. And before you start flaming me homers, and you know who you are, I’ve been around supporting this team longer than any current player coach and the majority of you posters and am therefor entitled to my opinion.

    • aub32

      There’s the door. Feel free to walk through it.

      • DunedinEagle

        Na I think I can outlast this crap storm.

    • Andy124

      Up vote for honesty.

  • Pennguino

    Congrats to Vick. Let’s see how long you can keep it. You’ve played well up to this point. Can you make it past the first quarter of the season before non vanilla defenses cause you to revert back to your 10 years of history. Good luck but I wont be a believer until the end of the year.

  • Max Lightfoot

    I honestly do not get why fans are divided on this. Vick is the starter, Foles the backup. So what? If Kelly/Roseman can draft a better QB next year, why would they not? Foles will probably see some play this year, due to durability issues with Michael Vick. I am happy for them both. IMO the O-line is more of a key to any Eagles success this year than the QB issue. Why all the vitriol? Just don’t get it, folks. Go Eags!

    • Guest

    • theycallmerob

      :)

      • Max Lightfoot

        The Dude: “That rug really tied the room together.”

      • Mr. Wu

        he also said “I hate the F*****g Eagles man!!” lol

  • KimbaFuzz

    Shady had trouble last season with blocking. I just want him to improve on that.

  • atlvickfan

    Baltimore, the team the Eagles beat in Week 2 last year?

  • Media Mike

    I don’t wish Vick to get hurt, I’m just certain it’ll happen. See the other guy’s comment about knowing the sun will expand.

  • #7

    Ah…so we have our first minimizer, well second. Where else was Vick supposed to win the competition? In the cafeteria?

  • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

    Boy some of ya’ll can’t let it go.

    Ya’ll pulling a Jennifer Holiday: No No No NO WAY. No No NO Way…Vick’s not WINNNING……

    Let it go. Be happy the team is fired up and ready to go and everyone seems to be buying in.

  • cliff henny

    havent seen any issues during 1st 2 games. and 50 yd bomb to jax will make teams think twice about blitzing. not like they are going thru swiss cheese oline like last yr.

  • Eagles4Life

    LOL you sound so bitter

  • Mr. Wu

    OK… but you are celebrating your prediction that the Eagles starting QB will get injured and create turnovers etc. …..sounds to me like you are rooting for the eagles to lose

  • #7

    Nah, you wish it. Just keep it real @media_mike:disqus . We all know what kind of person you are

  • Richard Colton

    Ohh the cricket again? what’s that, the third time you’ve used that pic? Vick proved he’s better in the CK offense than Foles, which just about everybody but hardcorps foles-fans saw coming. I’m excited about this O-line, Shady, Brown, the new TEs, and especially the new offense.

    Vick is a placeholder. I’m hoping he has enough to play all 16 games and be a top 15 QB still.

  • aub32

    favorite one thus far

  • #7

    POW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    LMAO

  • Media Mike

    When Vick threw two INTs and lost a fumble. Yes, that week 2.

  • ohitsdom

    Foles’ pocket presence and movement is probably his most impressive ability. I think it’s a bit too early in his career to limit him to a backup. Vick definitely earned the starting job, though.

  • #7

    Unlikely? if that defese gets some turnovers its VERY likely.

  • Media Mike

    I’m here, aren’t I #7? And we’re keeping it topical, i.e. on the QB competition, not making stuff personal.

  • #7

    You should try getting hammered in the pocket and have MM backstabbing you after talking you up to the media and see where your love goes

  • Richard Colton

    Polk wiffed on one vs the Pats that stood out for me. Brown looked blah as well. Shady picked up a # of blitzes really well – Sheil broke one down in his offensive rewind column. If you read lips (which I do) you can clearly see him mouth “IM BUYING INTO THIS OFFENSE BABY”

  • Media Mike

    I never root for the Eagles to lose. And I’ll cheer every good play Vick makes. I just don’t think having this guy on the team or on the field helps accomplish any long term goals. He clearly won the job however.

  • Media Mike

    Nail meet head. Well said Richard.

  • aub32

    Don’t do that Colton. There were plenty of neutral or 55% Foles guys that doubted Vick could adjust to this system. Please don’t down play it as if only a small portion of fanatics thought Foles was going to win the battle. Let him gloat.

  • #7

    Yep, the cricket again and you will see it more when Vick keeps shutting you people up.

  • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

    “Foles’ pocket presence and movement is probably his most impressive ability.”

    Last year. This year he’s looked more like Vick than Vick has looked like Vick.

  • EaglePete

    ya agree, I think people labeling Foles as nothing but a backup is bit hasty in the same way fans are absolutely convinced Vick can never be anything more than mediocre.

  • ohitsdom

    I’m a huge Foles fan (might be hard to tell since my username isn’t “#9″). Doesn’t mean I don’t like Vick either. Vick earned it, but there’s a pretty good chance he’ll get hurt so we’re going to need them both, anyway.

  • Andy124

    ok, I just remember a couple of great Polk blocks and their reputations, so I thought it might be a typo.

  • Media Mike

    We sure did. And a great addition playing that style of football made to our win column all year!

  • aub32

    You mean compared to Foles 3 fumbles and an INT in 4 series

  • #7

    Oh yeah, wins don’t count if they come from Mike Vick. Sheesh I keep forgetting

  • Richard Colton

    no, you’re right. the only one im 100% comfortable with running, blocking, and ball security is Shady. Hopefully that will change.

  • aub32

    What has Foles shown you that makes you think he’s any less prone to turnovers or injuries than Vick. Please name anything that you have seen in an actual game and not just more projection.

  • Media Mike

    It is all projection with Foles, so I want to see him start as many games as possible to know if we have to go into the market for a QB in the 2014 draft or not. I’m not all for tanking seasons or losing games, but Vick isn’t the long term starter for this team. Foles may be, but we don’t find that out with Vick in games. Having Vick start games is treading water, not putting together a dynasty.

  • ohitsdom

    It was a joke, of course I saw the games…

  • #7

    Nice optimism. you’re a true fan

  • Andy124

    3 downvotes already. I can’t beleive people didn’t already know the sun was going to engulf the Earth…

  • BrettConnolly

    Your point is well taken. There should be a difference between simply based on the expectations. Two things come to my mind as being important here.

    #1, Open communication. Chip emphasizes this, and I think it is going to result in a much crisper execution. If something goes awry, as in a poor series, it will be diagnosed and both Vick and Chip’s open communication will lead to a decrease in lazy mistakes. Not saying Vick is any more prone than any other QB but fatigue can lead to poor decisions. I think Chip’s expectations combined with Vick’s renewed love for the game are going to cut out some negative yardage plays.

    #2, Equal opportunity offense, Last point is to keep in mind that scheme is an end to a means. So far Chip has been upfront and honest about every aspect of his offense. I wouldn’t think “we’re an equal opportunity offense,” would be the first instance of him saying one thing and doing another. Simply put, Chip and our Birds will score points any way they can. Cheers!

  • Media Mike

    I’m not bitter, just burnt from bad turnovers from Vick the past two seasons and missing games due to injury over the past 3.

  • Richard Colton

    count me in that %. I honestly thought that if they both played well, CK would go with the 2nd year player over the 13 year vet. Foles played well, Vick played really well.

    And gloating is silly. You can gloat when you go out on a limb with a prediction. Saying last year’s starter and highest paid QB will be named this year’s starter doesn’t qualify somebody as Nostradamus.

  • ohitsdom

    I did my part.

  • theycallmerob

    As of now, 2 pm, there are 235. I almost didn’t even click on the article when I saw that #.
    Anyone care to place odds on the next hotly contested, 100+ thread? Whether or not Kelly should get rid of the relish bottle, as Azz once intimated? Ketchup vs. Mustard? Any other condiments?

  • #7

    Media Mike Foles should have won and he would have the chance to prove you right.

    He got his a.. kicked

  • aub32

    I commend you for being honest but it’s hard to begin to tell you how flawed your logic is. Did the Giants know what they they had in Eli after two years of starting and losing? Did the Jets know what they had in Sanchez after 2 years of starting and going to back to back AFC championship games? How then do you expect to know what Foles is or isn’t anymore than you do now? I get that he could tank or be fantastic, but what if he’s average, which is what the evidence thus far points toward. Then you’re right back where you started, and you’ve essentially tanked games by not putting in your best QB. Now the locker room is lost and FA aren’t flocking to play for some liar.

  • Eagles4Life

    Oh, we’ll be in the market. Proof is in the pudding. Like Chip said, they’ve had 38 opportunities to evaluate. Everyone saw the preseason games. And as Billy Davis said, “you are what your tape says you are.” He lost.

  • #7

    Just give respect Richard and cut the excuses man. Be a man..and man up lol

  • BrickSquadMonopoly

    It does after 36 turnovers in 2 years or whatever. Its time to recognize just how bad Andy Reid really is. NFL coach? maybe a high school one…

  • Richard Colton

    I’ll believe it when he does it for more than five games. I’ve seen this Mike Vick movie before. We’re on the 4th sequel and the ending is always the same.

  • Media Mike

    Oh, is that what happened?

  • Richard Colton

    you really want credit for this? come on. have it out with someone who said Foles would be named starter, because I never did. I just don’t want Vick to be – because he’s not the future of the Eagles.

  • #7

    Hmm well Foles is on clipboard duty. I would say the equals an a.. kicking, especially from a washed up, slow, old QB

  • aub32

    It kinda did. Turnovers on half his drives and a yards per attempt of almost half of Vick’s. He didn’t play awbul, but I would call that a butt kicking.

  • Eagles4Life

    Preeeeeetty much.

  • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

    Yeah.

  • RIP illa

    Sure did!

  • #7

    You be sure and get those eyes checked now, you hear? LOL

  • #7

    Preach aub32

  • Media Mike

    Aub and #7:
    Vick winning the job is clear. Any type of blowout decisive manner isn’t how it was being reported.

  • #7

    Well we have Vick, Foles, Barkley, the Great G.J. Kinne, and Dixon on the roster.

    You wanted Vick cut, so you’re saying now that you didn’t want to see what Foles had? Cmon man.

    Man up

  • Eagles4Life

    LMAO

  • Richard Colton

    that miserable pro-sports town you call home has a pro-team too. why not them? the reason you don’t get it is because you’re not a real Eagles fan. you’re somebody from another town who likes certain players on the Eagles. that’s different from liking a team.

    this is America and you can like whomever you choose. but please understand that you’ll never understand what it means to be a real Eagles fan – which is why you put A) player over team and B) one year ahead of franchise.

  • #7

    I wouldn’t say that now, but the line did him in too, not just QB play. And his terrible draft selections on D.

    Example: Nate Allen

  • MAC

    Really where you saying that in 2010 when he resurrected Vick’s career by teaching him proper footwork for a QB. Let’s not blame Reid for all of Vick’s problems. He was a huge benefit to Vick overall as a QB. Just didn’t do a good job of tailoring offense to Vick after 2010. He was so worried about Vick staying healthy and making him a pocket passer more so for the purpose of Vick’s health that he over looked what restraints he was putting on Vick. Also Reid is obsessed with passing and that is a fact.
    You can’t blame Reid for all Vick’s issues over last 2 years. Many issues such as fumbling, injuries, and negative plays have plagued Vick his whole career. Reid definitely didn’t do a good job of scheme with Vick, but he did help Vick as a passer a ton.

  • #7

    We know what we all saw on TV……

    Foles was killing it in shorts and you people were gloating soooooooooo hard…until those pads came on and that arm got weak.

  • aub32

    Of course not. Foles has been the media’s golden boy all summer. Do you expect them to focus on the negatives, and did you expect Kelly to throw Foles under the bus by saying “it’s not that close”. Look for youself. The guy had 3 fumbles and a pick. On top of that he wasn’t getting the ball down the field nearly as well as Vick, and he had much more run supporst from Shady and BB. He can move the offense, but the competition was not nearly as close as you’re trying to convince yourself.

  • Media Mike

    What I saw was both guys lead multiple TDs drives, but Vick looked somewhat better over the two games.

  • #7

    Wow!!! What an Eagles fan you are!!! Wishing that OUR QB gets hurt

    smh

  • Media Mike

    Good to see the discussion devolve into one-liners rather than stats, etc.

  • Media Mike

    Again, see prediction vs. cheering for.

  • Richard Colton

    no. I prefer vick IF chip doesn’t think Barkley is ready and foles isn’t QB of future. maybe that’s what he sees.

  • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

    Want to check that prescription there.

    3 fumbles – 1 lost and 1 INT – ypa 7.7

    No fumbles and a meaningless hail Marry interception ypa 13.3

    Yeah.

    That’s not close.

  • Media Mike

    I never said “close” I just don’t agree with “blowout.”

  • Eagles4Life

    And if someone predicted you will get in a car crash, they would probably be a bad person, right? Don’t be underhanded with your disdain and ill wishes, man.

  • #7

    Prove that bro.

    You sound like you’re not a true fan as we speak by wishing injury on YOUR STARTING QB.

    Prove THAT!

  • #7

    Ohhh…

    You wanted to see Barkley getting his WRs killed out there with that weak arm.

    Nice pick Richard..and lie.

    You wanted Foles and if I felt like digging, I could prove it.

    No need though. Vick proved you all wrong…again

  • Media Mike

    No real argument, you settled it with Elway.

  • cliff henny

    well PM is playing grandmaster chess wile everyone else is playing checkers, that helps. arm strength matters in nfl. need other skills, cant jeff george it

  • #7

    Zing!

  • cliff henny

    the int in endzone. i wasnt as mad at the int, as to how hard the ball was thrown. if foles said he was trying to squeeze it in, i’d still be mad, but he candy armed it and couldnt even throw it in stands. that’s awful.

  • nicksaenz1

    Never said Vick did have that problem nor can I speak for Foles as to why he didn’t throw to Cooper. Maybe Sheil or Tim could ask him.

  • knighn

    Yikes. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again:
    I have serious doubts about Vick. I do hope that playing under Chip Kelly’s system that Vick will keep the injuries and the turnovers down. Perhaps if he does stay relatively injury-free over the next couple of years he’ll last in the NFL past 2015. Like I’ve also said before: I doubt it but I HOPE he proves me wrong!
    (Oh, and no hugs required here, but thanks for the offer!)

  • #7

    Watch out now, you’ll be labeled as “not being a true Eagles fan” if you do not support Foles and see him for what he is.

    A backup.

  • Richard Colton

    and when you’re in the ATL with your Vick jersey on and he throws a TD – who in the bar high-fives you? the bartender? he works for tips, he has to. does anyone down there care that you predicted Mike would win the starting QB job?

  • EaglePete

    ya, very true, just meant it as theres guys who can win w/o the arm strength and some who cant with it. It matters though esp if you want to throw deep and across your body. That being said, the deep balls have to be accurate. I always though McNabb threw a nice deep ball accuracy wise.

  • #7

    It helps until they get pressure on him up the middle.

    QB Kryptonite, especially for Manning

  • Media Mike

    I thought McNabb did everything well except set his feet when he was feeling uncomfortable.

  • cliff henny

    hopefully in ’14 draft we can get our ‘elway’. i feel alot more confident we can seeing how well vick plays in kelly’s offense compared to previous yrs, and howie’s last 2 drafts.

  • Token

    I could probably use all three.

  • Richard Colton

    agreed. which is why any scenario that has Vick on this team past ’13 is a step backwards.

  • cliff henny

    vick beating out foles means to me, we are 100% qb shopping in ’14. you know i’ve been saying that since day kelly extended vick

  • aub32

    How? If Vick keeps us in contention until we find our franchise guy? Isn’t that what you want? You seem so sure one of these guys coming out in ’14 will be our guy. Who’s to say we even get one of them, or that they won’t be a bust. I don’t get why you and others are so hopeful about players that haven’t even finished playing in college, not to mention we have no idea where we or anyone else will be drafting. Isn’t the better thing to be hopeful for is that we have a QB on the roster now playing great. Why not throw your support into hoping he keeps it up instead of hoping for some kid that may end up like Barkley.

  • cliff henny

    i was for vick…and i scared to trust him. cant argue his track record. until he plays 16 games for eagles, he’s injury prone. and he cant get past that this yr.

  • #7

    I’ve made my points. Don’t really care how you take them. And at one time you called me “sensible” and that you could “actually debate with me” So to me, that means that you thought my posts were thoughtful, or you would not have responded to them,

    Yeah, I’m gloating a little bit as I’ve gotten hammered on here by many. The REASON i’m gloating is because you all said that Vick was not SMART enough to run this offense. The washed up part didn’t mean as much because I knew that was not true.

    Sorry you think that about me JofreyRice. I always voted up on most of your posts. Oh well

  • aub32

    That’s not fair. I suspect we would get the same in the other extreme if things went differently. I can see if he’s still gloating in October, but the QB was named today. I think he should get a pass after all the smack others were saying and guaranteeing before this was decided.

  • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

    lol

    Up voted for being a good sport.

    lol

  • #7

    i get that on here every single day. You should ask those other people that same question sir

  • aub32

    In fairness there were plenty of people saying he was a Vick/non eagles fan. I can’t blame him for using the same argument when no one disputed others using it.

  • knighn

    No, you’re the true fan #7. You like Vick and the Eagles so much that you can’t help but post a White version of Vick.
    #truefan

  • aub32

    Colton you sound like you’re lashing out. It’s ok buddy. Maybe next ime you will be right and can get a high five.

  • #7

    They nothing of that word “fairness”

  • theycallmerob

    Man, we’ll totally have a force shield by then. Or we’ll just kill ourselves off in another 50 years or so

  • cliff henny

    wait till dutch shows up tossing bombs. this will fly past 500

  • aub32

    We owned a lot of theams during that span, and the offensive cupboard on those Falcons teams was bare compared to what we have now, on offense.

  • Warhound

    13.3 YPA is scary!

    Top 5 All-Time:
    Rank Player YPA
    1. Otto Graham 9.0
    2. Sid Luckman 8.4
    3. Norm Van Brocklin 8.2
    4. Aaron Rodgers 8.1
    5. Steve Young 8.0

    Now, let’s see reg-season…..

  • JofreyRice

    Me calling you “sensible” in a single argument isn’t carte blanche for you to do a million “I told you so” posts. Feel free to do whatever you want on here but gloating isn’t a good look for anybody.

  • #7

    “The ONLY thing we have found out from preseason, is that Foles and Barkley are not good enough.”

    What took you so long to see that? You come on here and try to act like you’re some expert yet it was sooo obvious that neither of them could beat Vick. How can anyone take anything you post seriously?

    Then you come with your excuses smh “Vick winning the job means nothing” Really? Well Chip sure thinks it means something. You spent all of these months saying that Foles was better, then Vick dominates him in an OPEN competition and now “it means nothing” LOL.

    Just take look at your post and see how dumb..nevermind.

    Also, I bet the players aren’t complaining. Hell, the entire country could see that Vick was better, except for of course, Token lol

  • therealpistolp

    But Vick didn’t win by default.. He actually outplayed foles.. He looked top flight in both games.. Him winning does mean something for him.. Means he is not washed just yet.. Don’t try and discredit what just happened..

  • #7

    That boy Dutch is a beast lol

  • aub32

    You mean like if you were to….I don’t know…. add in the preseason where Foles had 3 more fumbles and another pick in less than a quarter worth of play. Does it suck to lose all the time. Maybe that’s why you want to see what Foles can do.

  • #7

    It was more than that sir. And if you want to call it gloating, cool.

    All you have to do is take your mouse and just scroll on past my posts sir. It’s not hard.

    Sometimes gloating can be the truth, and in this case, it is the truth

  • aub32

    I find it funny myself, as long as they stay original. I’m against the reposting of the cricket, but other than that party on.

  • #7

    They refuse to acknowledge that aub32.

  • Token

    Im still trying to figure out why you are gloating though.

    He won the job over Nick Foles, who you think is awful anyway.

    He hasnt done anything different in real games yet, with defenses actually scheming. I would at least save some of this stuff for when Vick wins some games.

  • Eagles4Life

    It’s pretty easy to figure out that this was a battle of “may the best man win” and the guy that was favored by most because of perceived superior skill lost. If you’re not excited, that’s on you. “Don’t hate the player, hate the game.”

  • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

    “a mediocre 33 year old QB with declining skills winning the QB contest.”

    There is NOTHING declining about Vick Skills.

  • Token

    Expert? No way
    Opinionated? Absolutely.

    To me Vick winning the job says way more about Foles and Barkley than it does Vick. These are two young guys drafted fairly highly against a 33 year old on a rebuilding team. And they just were. not. good. enough.

    I dont think Foles will be here next year. I dont think Vick will be here next year.

    Vick winning the job does mean nothing. Has it made him a different player? I personally dont think so. I expect the same thing Ive always gotten out of him. But that will just have to play out.

    The question that was never answered is, why is an adult so obsessive over a single player on “their favorite team”? You take anything negative said about Vick as a personal insult. That part of it I dont understand.

  • Eagles4Life

    Why don’t you just become a Cowboys fan?

  • aub32

    Dems fighting words. You better watchout. So what if he wishes injury on the best QB of our team. No one should have to be exiled to cowboy fandom.

  • nicksaenz1

    because i have a soul.

  • Warhound

    Onward and outward to the stars…..

  • Andy124

    I’m with Warhound on this one. If we don’t get out of this solar system, we’re effed.

  • knighn

    Look carefully through every team in the NFL and their QB situations. There may be as many as 10 teams looking for their new QB next season! If you’re optimistic then you say there might only be 4 or 5. Even in the best case scenario (only 4 teams looking for QBs) the Eagles may have neither the draft position nor sufficient draft ammunition to go get one of those guys. What I am saying here: the Eagles may be stuck with what they’ve got for a little while! Enjoy that the Eagles are moving in the right direction. Accept that it may take a little while to get there.

  • Eagles4Life

    LOL

  • Richard Colton

    easy – because no matter what he does this year, he’s not the future at QB for the franchise. he’s 33, declining skills, 2 bad years in a row, a history of injury, and not signed for next year. his play: good, bad, or average, retards the overall growth of the franchise.

  • aub32

    I disagree. I do not think his play in 2011 was as bad as you make it out to be. Was he great? Hell no. He did put up points and put the team in position to win. Had Brees done the same, the focus would be on the defense, like it was this year. I also think that if he plays well, it will help the franchise. He will prove Kelly can win. FAs will want to come here. The team will be in contention. That’s all we can ask for. I mean it’s not like we were raking in Lonbardis until Vick came in and ruined it. To say at 33 with this team Vick is Super Bowl or bust is unfair. Please explain the logic of how Vick making a playoff run hurts this team?

  • RIP illa

    Just wondering…since I don’t live in Philly, does that make me not a true Eagles fan? BTW…never liked the Eagles uni’s until I got older and yearned for Lurie to bring back Kelly Green.

  • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

    Well he has rolled to his right BY DESIGN. Kelly has had both Foles and Vick rolling out to their weak sides – which is perfect if you think about it. He takes away perceived weaknesses from the defenses. Flush to them right? No problem will beat you there as well.

  • Richard Colton

    he was worse in 2012 than he was in 2011 and worse in 2011 than in 2010. That’s a trend. If he was 25, we could try to explain it away. At 33? more difficult.

  • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

    lol

  • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

    Your logic isn’t sound.

    He had a worse oline in 2011 than he did in 2010 and worse still in 2012 than 2011.

    His arm is not in decline – and while he’s slower at 33 than 23 he’s still pretty damn fast. That’s not declining.

  • Richard Colton

    I gave you facts. you gave me an excuse. Aaron Rogers’ O-line last year? terrible. still put up great #s.

    He’s had three straight years of declining stats. Maybe he’ll reverse the trend this year, but very few players get better at 33.

    and yes. slower is declining. few of us get better in our mid 30s. I’m the only one I know of, and I know lots of people.