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• Slideshow: A Philadelphia Street, Transformed [NYT]
South Philly firehouse headed for demolition? [Inquirer]
Collingswood restaurant is up for grabs [Insider]
Threatened turtles Ridley Park’s costly ‘hidden jewel’ [Inquirer]
Kenny Gamble’s stewardship of Royal Theater dragged area down, neighbors say

Study says city dwellers would rather live on city’s north side [Wall Street Journal]
New Center City apartments double the vacancy rate [Phila Business Journal]

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  • Philly0312

    Please – can we limit our cooper stories per day? I get enough of it on every other news service. I’m dying. I’d rather know how Graham looked in pads since Sunday, and how they’ve been using him. Kills me to think he might be on the bench a lot – such a waste.

    • jabostick

      I’m already sick of it too but the stories ain’t going away until some games are played or until Tebow does something of note.

      I will say that despite it being over-analyzed, I do find the whole reaction/response to be especially interesting this year given the new regime, the amount of bubble players on the roster, etc.

    • D3Keith

      You’re not obligated to click on or view any of them.

      • #7

        Ding ding ding!!!

      • Richard Colton

        yes he is. addicted to Birds 24-7 just like a lot of people here. Not me though, I could quit anytime. I could. really…

  • illadelphia21

    IMO…the way the organization handled this was not the best way and is leading to a very complicated and polarized locker room, a divisive public image, and a general all around sh!t storm.

    If the organization took a hard line stance (which I wasn’t/am not advocating for) and cut Coop, there would be very little room for anybody to question them and the situation wouldn’t be as much of a distraction as it is. Once again I did not, think this action was warranted.

    Lurie and company went w/ the sensible approach. Yet they left out one very important part, which is consulting w/ the players. As said above, the hard line approach wouldn’t have required player consultation and would have sent a message. Whether how players felt, one way or the other, the locker room wouldn’t be influx and the distraction factor would have been negligible. However, w/ just a fine and the “middle of the road approach” w/o team consultation, we are where we are. If Lurie, Chip, and Howie had met w/ Coop, then allowed the team to hold their meeting w/ him, followed by a meeting w/o Coop, and finally concluded w/ a meeting between the team and “brass” and making a decision based off of all the input…you would have a unified front. Everybody on the same page. Players being able to express themselves and feelings about the situation. Which would lead to less media fodder. Players would still be conflicted, but they would have been heard and had an understanding of the way it is and going to be. It would have remains in house!

    Not every situation needs to be handled like this but this is a special case. If this keeps up going into our joint practice sessions w/ the Pats, then it might just be time to let Coop go. The distraction and division is just not worth it.

    • G_WallyHunter

      agreed.. it’s too bad but it’s the way it is, he isn’t worth keeping around. Maybe if he was an Eric Decker it would be a much more difficult decision, but as Sheil said, the dropoff from him to Johnson, Momah, or Shepard? isn’t that big… even tho to me that dropoff seems pretty big lol but it isn’t, Cooper isn’t anything special, whatever.
      If the eagles to drop him, they will have the worst set of WRs in the league I think, they will have to rely on CK making diamonds out of dust like he’s known for..

      • #7

        Johnson, Momah, or Shepard..I’m not aware of them ever playing in a real NFL game so how can you predict an accurate dropoff. OUt of the 3, Momah is a PROJECT.

  • firstdown

    Lets play FOOTBALL….no more talk bout the drunk white pony boy from clearwater…hes not even good @ FOOTBALL….go chip….go whoever the QB…go EAGLES….!!!!!!!!

    • #7

      #7

    • Richard Colton

      stay gold, ponyboy. stay gold.

  • Shark

    Vick killed dogs, he’s not one to judge. McCoy was accused of beating women (whether true or not, we can assume he has had his share of mistakes), he’s not one to judge. It is sad what Riley said, but I feel his punishment, a hefty fine, does fit the crime. The national media has completely overblown this and the fact that his job is being brought into question being potentially released for this incident, is ridiculous.

    • G_WallyHunter

      It is ridiculous, but when it comes to the team, it might have to be done. Picture you worked in an office of 20 or so people, half of which were black. If your boss and coworkers all saw a video of you doing what Riley did, you’d be out of a job the next day. This is no different, they are giving Riley as much slack as they can give him, but if the cancer and the “elephant in the room” doesn’t go away, then it must be done, he has absolutely no one to blame but himself

    • illadelphia21

      What’s so hard for people to understand…Below Average WR…National Media FODDER…HUGE TEAM DISTRACTION!!! It’s really not that complicated! No one on here is calling for his job, unless the attention and distraction carry on for too long!!! And please stop the dumbass comparisons of Vick and Shady’s transgressions to Cooper’s. the only similarities are that they are transgressions…which we all have them throughout life. So I guess nobody can have a opinion on any situation or anybody now?!

      • shark

        My point was that they, specifically Vick, shouldn’t be so quick to judge and possibly exile a teammate.

        • G_WallyHunter

          Vick held any judgement for that exact reason, praising forgiveness and getting second chances like he damn well should, McCoy on the other hand, wish he would just keep his mouth shut for the benefit of the team, but he didn’t

        • illadelphia21

          Vick didn’t judge and actually supported Coop and Shady didn’t throw him under the bus. He was talking about Coop on a personal level as related to their friendship. He made no indications as to whether Coop should be on or off the team or whether he should or should not be forgiven. He actually did say that he forgives him. Which is a very direct indication to move on, put this behind them, and get to the business of football. There is a big difference between forgiving and forgetting! I can forgive someone for stealing from me…doesn’t mean that I’m gonna be stupid enough to leave my wallet, unattended, around them. After I forgave them.

          • Richard Colton

            all the apologies in the world won’t make him anything more than a mediocre wide receiver. As an Eagles fan, I can forgive you being a drunken idiot at a Kenny Chesney concert, but not getting out-fought for a jumped ball by a 5-10 DB.

    • Dutch

      Why is it ridiculous his job is being brought into question? What kind of employer do you work for that allows racial epithets to fly out the mouths of employees representing their organization?

      It’s difficult for me to accept that some of you are absent an understanding on conduct in the workplace. You all are eventually going to cost your employer in amassing outrageous fines and penalties. If you did what Riley did chances are you would have been fired on the spot unless you’re working in your family run business.

  • #7

    “I’ll jump over that fence and fight every bleep over there” lol.

    Video cracked me up to be honest. Just the way he sounded.

    • G_WallyHunter

      as much as it sounds passionate, it sounds really fake at the same time. Kind of hard to distinguish.. I hope it was fake and it was the first time he’s ever use that word hahaha

      • #7

        Nope, it wasn’t fake. Just sounded funny. As a black man, hearing others use the word isn’t as offensive as it used to be. Now if someone says it to my face or to someone in my family, we have a problem

        • G_WallyHunter

          ya i was just playing obv.. I think he’s a southern born racist and he got caught, it sucks to see because that Maclin interview, seemed so sincere, he probably really won a lot of fans over with it, then he just throws it all out the window a few days later lol

        • Richard Colton

          easy to say when you’re surrounded by friends and a 10′ fence. when has he shown any heart or aggression on the field? I hate to pile on, but the idea of starting the season with Cooper starting at WR makes me sick. How great does the Vikings move to jump into the bottom of round one for Corderelle Patterson look now? wish we had a do-over.

          • illadelphia21

            Or even Rogers who went undrafted, due to character concerns, and was pick up by B-lo. I was so anticipating hearing/seeing that we signed him after the draft. But we want the “right kind of player” w/ the “right kind if attitude”. Screw pure unadulterated talent. How’s that working out for us now?!

          • #7

            Despite al of this, I think that Riley can make some plays for us and I think that he should get the start week one. WRs need to be used the right way and I don’t that Riley has. He’s not going to be a superstar, but I think that he can make some tough catches for us, something we haven had on the outside in a loooong time. I’m pulling for the kid, as long as he does not jump the fence and fight every n.. over here lol

          • illadelphia21

            Who else is gonna start wk1 for us on the outside…lol!

  • bushisamoron

    He should have been released immediately FOR THE SAKE OF THE TEAM. I am sure there are racists of all kinds on the team as in life. Riley Cooper is but one of them. However because of the nature of the sport and the fact that a new regime preaching togetherness is trying to turn around the team, the best option was to release him immediately. Even now if he is released, it looks weak. Should have happened immediately.

  • barneygoogle

    Way overdone by the hysterical media, and flubbed by the spineless Eagles. The media has treated Cooper worse than they treated Aaron Hernandez.
    Cooper, please get a good lawyer and sue the media. And get a black lawyer…drive ‘em nuts.

  • mike

    Has anyone seem more than the 20 second clip? I’m guessing there’s more somewhere. Does anyone know what Cooper was responding too? Doesn’t change the word choice, but might be relevant in understanding intent. Have any of seemingly hundreds of reporters covering this story and writing thousands of words bothered to ask that question?

  • Richard Colton

    Its a shame Benn can’t get on the field but great opportunity for D Johnson, and Momah.

    • cliff henny

      think that’s probably who Gamble is talking about when saying ‘waiting’. really isnt anyone out there any better, and probably have some injury issues like Benn. at least we have all the medicals on Benn, so might as well wait week/10 days and see how his knee shakes out. like ertz pick 3 months ago, now i’m really really glad we have him, he’s basically is a WR in TE’s body. also, Salas is catching everything, and he is about same size, if not little bigger, as Maclin. have dj, dj2 who are small, but then avant, salas, shepherd and cooper have good size, along with ertz, even if Benn continues to battle that knee (which he probably will). w/ Benn, dont forgot, a good part of the reason he was cut is he has horrible hands. even if he’s 100%, we still have another major obsticle to overcome.

      • Dutch

        Collie and Lloyd were available, true Collie has injury issues but hes a sure handed and productive receiver as is Lloyd under the right circumstances and both are better than any reserve contending for playing time with the Eagles now.

        • illadelphia21

          Collie got signed by the niners

        • cliff henny

          lloyd is waiting for more injuries, so he can get a nice contract, least that’s the rumor mill on him. not sure eagles are going to meet his asking price. seeing how shep and salas are pretty much unproven, cant say lloyd is better. maybe we find our cruz or colston. but, sure, lloyd is probably better in short term, but long term, still rather see any ball that lloyd would get goto someone who’ll be here in ’14/’15. cant see that position having major effects on this yr’s game. now jax goes down…different story

          • Dutch

            Lloyd caught 74 balls last season and racked up 850 yds…… only an extraordinary young receiver in the likes of cruz can be expected to produce like that. I’m very confident Lloyd is better than any thing on the Eagles reserve roster unless even Johnson a second year player, matured into an extraordinary prospect over on offseason.

          • JofreyRice

            Lloyd is not very good with option routes. His inability to make the correct read on the coverage was the main reason why he & Brady never fully got on the same page, and a big reason why he’s no longer in NE, even though they need a receiver desperately. I think he’d be a better fit if it was all just predetermined routes in a typical WCO.

        • philliesfan136

          They will regret not bringing in Austin Collie. Huge upside, no downside. Class guy too.

          • illadelphia21

            Downside is he gets like a concussion on a weekly basis.

    • Dutch

      Reports say the kids are in a war trying to stay around. Momah is completely locked in the competition. It’s reported he’s making solid plays in camp. Yesterday, written in a couple of articles it’s said the kid stood out. Shepard is playing well and consistent but D Johnson has been described as “Uncoverable” receiver competition sounds good and contested.

  • Brent E. Sulecki

    I was thinkin of early doucet. But caplan said he’s slow and a slot guy. At this point id just take a possesion guy who is healthy and let jackson and damaris and others be the speed guys. The wr core needs some exp. Only jack and avant have real experience..riley and mac down. Benn would help..he needs to get on the field. No practice Saturday. Hope we see Benn sunday

    • Dutch

      I’m anxious to see Johnson. I like what I saw last year. With a offseason under his belt and a complete camp to build chemistry I hope he’s a difference maker or show traits of becoming one. There were some good reports on him from camp. Hope he worked on his game like Boykins obviously did.

      • Brent E. Sulecki

        he and djack have been unguardable

    • JofreyRice

      It’s hard to rate Doucet because he played with such toilet QB play. Unless you’re Larry Fitzgerald, it’s hard to overcome that.

      I’ll be curious to see if Derek Hagan gets cut by the Bucs. Good size. Average blocker. Can make some plays in the pass game. Not a future pro bowler by any means, but he might fit here.

      Also, Jeff Maehl might be available after the cutdowns. The Texans have a lot of receivers. Kelly’s shown a preference for players he’s familiar with.

      • Richard Colton

        off topic – how great would Fitzgerald look in midnight green? maybe another year of terrible QB play in Arizona and he’ll be squawking for a trade.

        • cliff henny

          better than hedi klume in a bikini!

          • JofreyRice

            let’s not get crazy, would take a lot to beat that!

          • cliff henny

            wish i could find the scene on youtube from ‘shallow hal’ when jack black is in the elevator describing his perfect women.
            .
            Larry Fitzgerald in Eagle uni would look better than that!

      • cliff henny

        love to see Maehl. maybe i just have phillies fatigue…just so worn out of retreds. even if doucet is better today than maehl,shep or salas, still rather they get reps.

        • illadelphia21

          What’s up w/ the Maehl love?

          • cliff henny

            he made alot of plays at Oregon. lot of long TDs, he was a good player. plus, rather pick up someone who is familiar with kelly’s offense at this time than trying to cram 5 months into 3 weeks.

          • Brent E. Sulecki

            At the NFL combine Jeff Maehl had a strong performance. He measured in at 6’1″ and 190 lbs and had a slower than average 40-time of 4.62 seconds. However, in the measures of quickness – 20-yard shuttle, 60-yard shuttle, and 3-cone drill – Maehl finished 2nd, 1st, and 1st respectively.[6] Maehl’s 6.42 second 3-cone drill was not only the fastest in this year’s draft, but the fastest it has been run in 6 years.[7]….

          • Brent E. Sulecki

            I will take quick over fast right now..and healthy over unhealthy…nice mention Joffrey..maybe CK is looking for him

          • illadelphia21

            No problem w/ that, although I do love me some fast. Either way, the FA market this offseason has been slim pickings. Can’t wait to see whose getting cut or put to the PS from other squads. And can’t wait to see how many players we pass over.

        • Brent E. Sulecki

          at least doucet has 139 career receptions..the only two with significant catches are desean and Jason..next is Benn at like 50 something…they need another vet.

          • Brent E. Sulecki

            nevermind looks like seattle got doucet because of harvin injury…damn

      • Brent E. Sulecki

        ive seen Maehl and now his game. and ive heard of Hagan. is either good enough to be a 3 or 4 on our team tho. I know Jason is stuck at the slot. but we need more depth. in the case that momah and shep aren’t ready and who knows if they are..momah had a good day yesterday. he has a learning curve too, not playin football for a couple years since bc. and damaris will be a huge part of the team this year. as I thought riley was. just 2 different guys you could do different things with…it hurts with Coop and maclin gone for sure.

  • Anon

    Think it’s time for TO resurrection.

    • cliff henny

      time machine a 2005 version of Owens into Kelly’s offense and he’d break every record in the books.

      • Dutch

        It’s a run dominated offense, TO doesn’t run the ball he’s best used as a target down field. Kelly’s offense is going to run and feature a limited passing game, no more than 5 yds off the line with the bubble screen being the route of choice.

        • illadelphia21

          So does that mean that we don’t need excellent or really good WRs? Serious question. Do you think a line up of DJax, Coop, DJ2, Avant, Salas, Shepard, and Momah are good enough for this year?

          • Dutch

            I thought it was going to be a tight negotiation and justification to pay Maclin what he would command. This offense isn’t set up to use two receivers in the mode of Jackson and Maclin. Maclin would have virtually been paid to be a decoy, just to relieve pressure on the speed guy. Johnson may be good enough to command Maclin’s attention from defenses. All that is needed is credible threat not 60 catches.

            Depending on the development and consistency I think the line up in your post is sufficient for this offense. Don’t forget there is going to be like 80 catches divided up between the Tight Ends in this offense. But, Celek is not looking good and some of the young tight ends are.

          • illadelphia21

            Don’t even get me started on the organization and Maclin.

            It sounds to me, from your previous comments and this one, like you think the team is going to be a “dink and dunk” type offense when not running the ball? I really hope we don’t turn into that.

          • Dutch

            Kelly plays the percentages. When he attacks down field it’s to keep the defense honest and play to the safeties then it’s back to grinding it out and taking advantage of spacing he has tight ends that can do that.

          • illadelphia21

            Ugh…Celek. I love the toughness he brings but he’s seriously lacking in almost every other department. Speed, athleticism, reliable hands, and pass pro. I heard reports a couple years back that harbor was the better blocker and Celek was the better overall player. W/ that being said I’m thinking for the TE spots:
            Ertz: who can’t block to save his life, and has been inconsistent in TC.
            Casey: who still has a lot to prove IMO,
            Harbor: just as good as Celek, although has not shown the toughness or attitude that Brent has, but is more athletic.
            Carrier: who I really just want this team to develop. He needs to improve his his hands and has been throughout TC as well as improving his route running. And I love his size and speed Combo. He’s my Riley Cooper (w/o the slurs), a guy that fans can like and want on the team w/ no rational/logical reason to justify it.

            I know it’s sacrilege to not want Celek on the squad.

          • cliff henny

            heard celek is dropping alot of balls too. he is best blocking TE, bet we’ll see his chances greatly reduced this year.
            ertz is still wet behind ears, give the guy some more time. if by mid season he’s still strugling, then we have issues. remember, he had that bs college rule that he couldnt be at our otas.
            i’m with you on harbor and cooper. these are proven marginal players that i hope dont make the team because we upgraded.

          • JofreyRice

            I’ve never thought much of Celek’s blocking, and he’s so inconsistent with catching the ball–one week he might make every play on balls thrown his way, the next week, his hands are stone.

            I was never a fan of them drafting Ertz. I’m not a huge proponent of drafting guys that are partially propped up by their system–such as TE’s from Stanford. I really would have preferred Travis Kelce. The guy blocks like a tackle, and can really move. That being said, Ertz’ superior route-running ability lets you move him out to the X position, which might have been a bit harder with Kelce right away–though I do think he has that kind of long term upside.

          • Brent E. Sulecki

            I don’t think they are…but I expect huge production from tes and backs to cover inability at wr

          • Anon

            Easier said than done, I don’t think TEs have looked great in TC. Celek having trouble catching, Ertz can’t block so it’s hard to disguise what they are doing if they have very clear limitations on skill set. Hopefully they both improve (I really like Celek) but Kelly’s gotta be a little disappointed, since TEs seem to be the new slot receivers.

  • BlindChow

    ESPN’s AFC East blogger mentioned Marvin McNutt having a great camp in Miami. Dammit.

    • cliff henny

      that guy showed nothing as an eagle. cant argue with that cut

      • illadelphia21

        6th rounder, developmental, put on the PS, brought in way to early cause of injury. What was he supposed to show? He got open on like 1 or 2 reg season plays, but him and Foles never could connect. At least see what Chip could do w/ him, if anything.

        • cliff henny

          far enough…but you sat mcnutt…this is all i remember

          • Mr. Wu

            Thanks for rehashing that lovely memory. Now can you stab me in the eye with a pencil?

          • cliff henny

            will this do?

          • Mr. Wu

            yes that did it….you bastard:p

            I do like the clip that plays after it though

          • Brent E. Sulecki

            my favorite part of that highlight is that Tennessee scored 44 on Detroit…wow..

          • illadelphia21

            Lol. That was probably the play that sealed his fate w/ this team.
            I only laugh to keep from crying!!!

          • cliff henny

            like how they have yellow circle and arrow, so you dont even need to run the vid.

      • Richard Colton

        He never showed any playmaking ability while he was here, but I’d give my left McNutt to have a tall WR with his speed.

        • cliff henny

          momah!

          • Richard Colton

            he has to take what he did in yesterday’s practice and do it every day.

          • cliff henny

            yup. have to give him time. guy basically didnt play in 2 yrs and now is being tossed into nfl camp. fact that he can even have good days i think is incredible.

      • BlindChow

        We essentially traded him to Miami for the late BJ Cunningham.

    • illadelphia21

      Yeah I heard that also. Reid never had a good track record w/ developing talent and I think Howie gave up on him to quickly. We used a draft pick in him for Christ sakes!!! At least try to develop him or see if the new coach could of used him and if he could do anything of value in TC.

      • Dutch

        Haunting Management issues. I like’s McNutt also but in my opinion Andy sometimes strangled talent he would not be the first player released who became a key clog in another scheme elsewheres.

  • The R

    Everyone can hate on my comment all they want but the best two non-signed wr out there is Chad and T.O you bring in one of them and instantly everyone stops talking about Riley

  • jabostick

    I wonder what staff from other teams are following Birds 24/7?

    • EaglefaninAZ

      That’s what I was thinking.

  • Explorer51

    Shephard will be the starter when all is said and done; we should stop focusing on retreads and let these young guys compete their a**es off.

  • oregon philly

    Sign TO for a good character and locker room chemistry.

  • Brent E. Sulecki

    like I said. Cooper and Decker…whats the difference….more opportunity and draft position by maybe a round or so…not much…he needs to be used better.

  • Myke Lowery

    I just remember him not even trying to break up the game ending interception against green bay in the playoffs

  • Token

    You would hope so. The level of player is not worth this level of distraction. A potentially split locker room over Riley Cooper? Thats just dumb.

    Kelly just doesnt seem to have a firm grip on this team like I was hoping the new coach would have. I was hoping the new guy would come in a restore order that had been lost in the later Reid years. But so far its just a continuation of the same things. I have a feeling we will be seeing the same undisciplined team on the field.

  • G_WallyHunter

    Yeah, If CK and HR continue to hold on to him past the point where it’s clearly a cancer, then that’s too bad and a bad start to the season, I hope he gets let go, not worth the distraction, too much riding on this year to sacrifice it for a #3 or 4 receiver, although I understand and agree with what Brent is saying below, that he could be a #2 like Decker given the right opportunities..

  • illadelphia21

    Minimizing by trying to compare this to Shady throwing a girl off the bus he paid for w/ his own money, while throwing his own party, is foolish. I’m hated Kobe at the time of his incident but was not so stupid to actually believe he raped that girl. So Kobe raping a girl…false! Apples to oranges arguments are really getting me to understand and see how Coop can think the racist remark he slit out is acceptable…of course only when cameras aren’t on.
    And what has Coop done to ever “deserve” a chance to start? I thought we were all for starters EARNING their spot? In three years Coop has shown nothing to “deserve” let alone earn the chance to be a starter.
    The cut talk is strictly based on the distraction level. And when you have a below average player creating a tremendous distraction, he deserves to be cut if the situation cannot be reigned in.

  • Dutch

    This is utterly stupefying. Those of you that can find a comparison between Vick’s transgressions and Reily’s idiocy can only do so by viewing equally offended african americans teammates and, fans that support the Eagle and NFL as parallel to dogs. It’s so easy for some to say get over it, or it’s just a word and other nonsense to trivialize the infraction. Simply because you can’t relate to the hurt. That’s not out of the ordinary for those not exposed to other cultures on a personal level. If you spend no time with people of other cultures you wouldn’t know the traits of humanity you share with those people.

    However, There is no way you can mesh the two incidents Vick’s incidents were related to animals, unless you view minorities as animals what is the correlation?

    There is no room in the workplace or greater society for elements of discrimination and, or an idea of supremacy. What Cooper did is an affront to the very principles of what America is all about, Equality and Justice for All.

    Apparently it’s difficult and impossible for you to understand the offense because you don’t see the humanity in the offended.

    If you don’t understand how this could be so hurtful stop discounting the incident and try and learn from someone offended why they are.

  • G_WallyHunter

    Boom, and clearly the Eagles understand this, trying to mitigate it and what not, and they understand that if it can’t be then there’s a concern. If Maclin was healthy, you think he would have been cut on wednesday? I dono, thats a toughy

  • Brent E. Sulecki

    andy never gave him a fair shot. question is..is he sorry he said it…like really sorry and disgusted with himself. or is he sorry because he got caught saying it. I think this will make him take a long look in the mirror for sure.
    this will be a tough season for him.. and character building for sure…but all the practices ive watched and gone to. ive seen the kid show up and play well. and don’t think Ive seen a drop..not that it hasn’t happen…I mean yesterday got a 40yd or so td from foles…the other day mike hit him for 2 redzone tds..should have been happening long before when andy was here

  • Broadcasting Wisdom

    What has he done? He has caught more TDs in the last year than any other healthy player on the roster. We all know Desean, for all his talents, disappears in the red zone. Avant is too slow to get open in the red zone. He literally caught every red zone opportunity thrown his way last year. I’m not saying Cooper is an elite Pro Bowl type player, but he is certainly not “below average.” Youtube Riley Cooper’s highlights – the guy is a ridiculous athlete with size and strength who was buried behind Jackson and Maclin with a head coach who didn’t think “wow, every time I throw it up to Riley in the endzone he catches it, maybe I should call more plays for him.” I know some people can’t forgive what he said or separate it from what he has done on the field, which is fine. But on the field, he has earned a starting job with his production more than any other healthy receiver on the roster.

  • illadelphia21

    Since I can’t edit for some reason and its really bothering me:
    *I hated Kobe…
    *spit out is…

  • G_WallyHunter

    I think if anything this will motivate him even more than he was motivated to have a much better year, that’s if he doesn’t get knocked out in the first few weeks. I can easily see a few D players (not Robinson in week 3, though) taking that 10,000 or 1 gm suspension to knock him down so he doesn’t get back up… we’ll see… someone will want to take a headshot though, inevitable

  • Brent E. Sulecki

    yeah he will be a target for sure..until coaches see it..and pull the players aside and tell them to play the game and stop sweatin cooper…ive seen riley mix it up on the field before…I don’t think this will be new…but his reaction this time to a db in his grill or a safety taking a cheap shot will be magnified…he must tread lightly..and think before he acts

  • Dutch

    That’s how I see this thing playing out. Cooper will have a stunning year because he’s forced to focus and avoid distractions. I think the Team can rebound from this and rally to Coopers side in the event he begins to take on physical consequences once the season starts. There is no question this is an issue that builds character or destroys team unity. No question in my mind that if Cooper goes out and performs showing his teammates he’s all in on them, they will get all in behind him.

    They’re just not going out after a game drinking with him and eventually over time that will get better depending on the man Cooper really turns out to be in Philly.

  • Brent E. Sulecki

    yeah sad thing is though. as much as we see him possibly being a #2. at the moment hes not. and could get sacrificed to help the teams divide

  • G_WallyHunter

    yup, and watch his mouth lol. We’ll see, I’m rootin for the guy, but I don’t really care if he gets cut. Those mics down on the field don’t want to catch him using a word for the second time in his life, so yes, he needs to be very careful.

  • illadelphia21

    1st Andy gave him more than a fair shot. Andy held on to Coop and Avants spots like they were etched in stone. He never brought in real Competion for them either through the draft or FA until Damaris, who would eventually be Avants replacement in the slot, yet he still wasn’t in a position to actually challenge for that spot.
    Coop has been the 1st player off the bench for the outside WR position for 2 out if the 3 previous years. If that’s not a “fair shot” then I don’t know what is! Especially w/ injury prone Maclin and Jackson’s slight stature.
    And that’s the problem. Coop balls out every year in TC but never in the regular season. In 3 years, he has done absolutely nothing to deserve a shot at starting other than being the only WR off the bench who’s not a slot WR.

  • G_WallyHunter

    and if that’s done then it needs to be done, I don’t care, Shepard can step up take his place… I mean the divide just seems too strong. If Eagles get rid of him, it would absolutely suck to see him go post 1000 / 8TDs somewhere else, but hell, who even knows if another team would pick him up lol, thats iffy

  • Brent E. Sulecki

    yeah agreed G

  • Brent E. Sulecki

    seriously if you get a chance check out Jason whitlocks take on this..hes on fox sports. its worth the read. language in nfl and sports is brutal

  • G_WallyHunter

    I can’t see any team picking him up, who wants to bring that into the locker room, ESPECIALLY after all of this stupid media attention..

  • Brent E. Sulecki

    well this appears to be his last year. we will see what he does given the opportunity to perform and make plays…we will know quickly what CK thinks of him…at the moment I think he likes him on the team. not withstanding the current divide

  • Brent E. Sulecki

    yeah good point..his next few months will be brutal

  • G_WallyHunter
  • Brent E. Sulecki

    that ball was WAY UNDERTHROWN to a 6 3 wideout..with space in front of him. that mike fault im sorry. that’s not on riley that the ball was thrown like shit

  • #7

    No. You people blamed Mike Vick for that lol

  • Brent E. Sulecki

  • Brent E. Sulecki

    take a look and judge for yourself…riley even makes the play before that play as well. big body wideout

  • Brent E. Sulecki

    thanks G

  • illadelphia21

    Don’t confuse me w/ people who can’t separate based on situations.
    So really…he caught more TDs than Maclin??? Actually He caught 1 more than Desean last year at 3 TDs.
    Your out of your mind. Stop watching highlights and watch actual games!
    All of a sudden this
    http://www.nfl.com/player/rileycooper/497282/careerstats
    earns you the right to be a starter??? SMH!

  • G_WallyHunter

    That is a great read, best read I’ve red on the issue… I don’t want him cut, I really really REALLY hope that he can play at a high level and that players can just move on, whether they respect him or not. But we’ll see, it will be exciting to see, but I support everything Whitlock’s saying for sure, thanks for bringing that to my attention

  • Guest

    That was depressing to watch.

  • G_WallyHunter

    you should read the article I posted below by Whitlock (Brent found it), it may sway your opinion a little bit. Don’t get me wrong, I respect what you’re saying and that right there is the one side to the argument that nobody can argue.. it’s the biggest issue and I agree, you can’t just brush it under the rug….. but Whitlock raises some really good points (being someone of the race too, completely understands the offence, like you’re saying people don’t)..

  • illadelphia21

    Fucking THANK YOU DUTCH!!! I’m so tired of reading the same stupid apples to oranges comparisons on various sites especially this one.
    The people who make them either have no clue as to how it comes across or just don’t give a damn.

  • Brent E. Sulecki

    that’s true for sure..where was desean I forgot what happened to him. was he hurt. I saw maclin

  • illadelphia21

    I read that article and it was good and he articulated his point of view very well. Still doesn’t make the fact of how irritating it is to read these dumb reasons as why shady cant speak about how he’s been hurt on a personal level by his friend.

  • Dutch

    This is the value in the discussion. The issue is now not that folks are offended, all races of conscious individuals are equally offended. The issue now can turn to explaining why those who are offended in the context of what Cooper said are.

    In my opinion key among those who don’t understand is their lacking of social relations across racial lines. Most often their perceptions of minorities is based in the common stereotype. Part of that fallacy is expecting minorities to be soulless and void of human dignity, sensitivity and emotions. Thus it’s easy to equate what Vick did to dogs with how Riley offended a large segment of the American population.

  • G_WallyHunter

    Oh I agree with you there, I was just talking from the standpoint of opinions of how it should be handled. I agree, anyone who wants to bring in Vick’s past or Shady’s past to relate to this is just stupid. The team isn’t full of women (I know, many men are offended by that kind of violence, but its not the same)… and Vick, let’s just not go there. This is different shit therefore it should be part of a different pile of shit..

  • G_WallyHunter

    jeeze so depressing, I remember sitting on my couch, watching that play, and looking down at the ground in absolute disgust and sadness and disappointment, like it was yesterday…
    This was 2010 as we all know, dono where Desean would have been, but we do know that he did the miracle at meadowlands II 3 weeks before this.. don’t think he was injured?

  • G_WallyHunter

    I hope he is forced to focus and he does just that. That’s also a good point, maybe he gets smoked a few times in the preseason, and the team will begin to have a change of heart and say alright Riley’s taken enough now lol.. it is completely question of character, how does Riley handle this? How does he act going forward? will largely determine what the team does. He has to somehow, as hard as it will be, earn back the respect of the guys that lost.

    Does this incident confirm to teammates that he is in fact a racist? or is it an incident that most would have never saw coming, way different than any Riley they knew? Someone brought this up earlier in the boards, and it really does come down to this. Having a 40% new roster does not help the cause..

  • Richard Colton

    his hair is stunning

  • illadelphia21

    I’m hoping that’s how this works out. Despite my hate for Coop, before the incident, I always wanted him to be much much more than what he’s shown. And that’s where the hate comes from. I do wish he was faster but that’s neither here nor there.

  • G_WallyHunter

    hey as he should have been, as you watch the video, Vick has tons of time (enough for a nice pump fake), the pocket was still huge even when he threw it, he could have waited another half second to let Riley get that extra step…. then he underthrows a 6 foot 4 receiver who had a full endzone behind him to a 5 foot 11 tramon williams….
    I’m no Vick hater, I like him a lot, but this is ALL on Vick, sure Cooper could have MAYBE gotten a hand in there, but he was in full stride, can’t be expected to make that kind of adjustment to a ball that’s 3-5 yards underthrown

  • Dutch

    In all honesty, I forget Riley Cooper was 25 years old. He’s a kid. He’s cast into a potentially powerful role with this in America. Riley Cooper can become a force for good dialogue on race and a serviceable receiver.

    or he can become a casualty. I hope for the betterment of man he becomes the former.

  • G_WallyHunter

    Exactly, another thing people overlook, 25 years old lol, very much so a kid.

  • illadelphia21

    Desean just got doe turning a 5-10 yrd pass, deep at are own end, into something like a 50yrd completion to be able to put us in a position to win that game.
    That play was a tough one, cause Vick and Coop weren’t on the same page. Vick went inside and Coop wanted it outside. Williams was like, ok I’ll take it then. Would have wanted to see a better reaction from Coop to at least attempt to break up the play, but I can’t fault him too much. Just like I don’t fault Vick too much. It just happens. Coop had inside position, but at the exact same time that Vick started to throw, Coop started to fade out.
    I do blame Vick for not using his legs, as that was the last pass that I thought he would ever try to attempt. 30 secs left, a defense on its heels and gassed, from the game in general and Jackson’s play, and 2 or 3 timeouts. I was so thinking that when went no huddle, that Vick was going to drop back then run an impromptu QB draw for the win or at least to put us closer to the GL.

  • illadelphia21

    So true! Even as a black man…I want that hair!

  • Dutch

    What’s the kid have a Mo Hawk, no the Pony tail…….. I personally can’t get over that cut off sleeve on a lumberjack shirt……… I can’t get that image out of my mind. That is truly Florida Hillbilly Wear.

  • illadelphia21

    Yeah that was bad. But did you see the video of him arguing w/ the kid outside of concert? The whole outfit was screaming “backwater”!!!

  • Dutch

    I thought the barber shop was an important social engagement? The guys all talk about the discussions in the barbershop.

  • illadelphia21

    I could have still had that hair and gone to the barbershop for an edge up or shave.

  • Broadcasting Wisdom

    Don’t have time for an essay of my own, but the point is that Cooper is the 2nd best healthy receiver on the team, has made better plays in actual NFL games than any other healthy player on the team, and deserves to start based on his performance and potential. You call them flash in the pan plays, all I know is no Eagle receiver has made those type of touchdown circus catches in the 20 years I’ve had season tickets since Cris all he does is catch touchdowns Carter. Again, he’s not a pro bowler, but could he give us 50 catches, 700 yards, and 10 touchdowns as a WR2? Absolutely.

  • Poopdollar

    unfortunately your concerns are not a high priority for the Birds. Thank you for your life story.

  • Richard Colton

    are those strong, high character guys on the team yet? Here’s how I see it – this is year one of the Chip Kelly reboot. Other than the rookies and a few guys on the defense, I cant say with certainty who the starters will be in ’14 or ’15. It’s not a stable team. Successful teams build with character guys. Character teams can get over the hump with a suspect player or two.

  • Curly

    I understand what you’re saying but I disagree. At this time, we can’t take a risk on guys with character concerns. in 2004, we had a really strong locker room with guys like Dawkins, Hugh Douglas, Trotter…. yet, freakin T.O. brought the whole team down….. Can’t risk it with this roster. Just saying

  • Richard Colton

    T.O. was the greatest locker room cancer in the history of sport. I’m not sure he’s the best example. The one I like to use is Rodman on the Bulls, mostly because I was sure it would backfire and I had to eat crow.

  • illadelphia21

    Lol. I get that. Although I blame McNabb just as much, if not more, as T.O. I can see the point of those not wanting to risk it at this time. I won’t really argue against that. We’ll see what happens w/ the roster make up, going forward.

  • Dutch

    If TO brought the whole team down, the locker room could not have been that strong. The fact was TO made a legitimate point, the message was diluted because of how he went about delivering that message and some of the guys in that locker room identified with the principle of the complaint. TO played on a injured leg, how much more did he need to show to be considered committed?

  • illadelphia21

    Excellent points

  • cliff henny

    say give couple young guys a chance. specifically at WR, see no reason to retred a driver or doucet, rather give shepherd, salas, ertz, and/or dj2 all the reps. have d-jax and avant along w/ rbs shulder the load, and bring along some young talent.

  • Dutch

    What you are saying is indeed true and sound logic. The foundation of the program has to be stable and mature guys. But there’s not a team with a winning reputation or championship who doesn’t have pure playmakers who have some issues under the hood. Avant and TO are the opposite of two extremes, but it’s the support in the middle that makes the unit balanced and competitive.

    There is no getting away from needing playmakers to sustain a winning culture and contest for a championship.

  • illadelphia21

    Really…they aren’t?! Damn that sucks. Thanks for pointing that out to me and thanks for your intelligent contribution.
    Maybe you can help me w/ something else…seeing as how this is not a Cooper article why are you commenting? Are you trolls trying to delve into actual football convo?

  • takeo

    Cancer or not, that was the most funny season the Eagles has ever had and the only trip we made to the superbowl after Colombo discovered the Americas …
    Let the good guys to the boy scouts and bring people who can play football. Good coaches can manage the Rodmans and win, no one can squeeze big plays from Trash and Pinkston.

  • illadelphia21

    That’s kinda what I was talking about in my 1st comment. But Rich C.’s response made think about how we don’t really have a strong enough locker room for that yet and still have no clue if we’ll have one going forward.

  • illadelphia21

    What bout Donald Jones. I really think we should bring him in if he’s completely healthy.

  • cliff henny

    but why? as a fan, knowing we’re hoping to win this year, but building for ’15, would you want jones, driver, lloyd getting any ball or rep over dj2, shep or salas. it’s probably a knotch lower in talent, but doubt it would effect outcomes of any games unless guys i mentioned just cant play. if they cant play, then we have whole new bag of issues.

  • illadelphia21

    Kind of. I’m not really a big Salas fan. I do want DJ2’s targets and playing time to increase, and originally I was looking forward to having Shep in the PS. Now I’m still not that big on Salas, feel the same bout DJ2, and I’m trending up on Shep. Besides, Jones is young enough to help build this team and fits in to the type of player they are looking for.

  • Dutch

    There lies the problem, I nor does many other fans not see the Eagles not contesting. We don’t see a deficient talent level, although we don’t have depth, nor to we think the team was as bad as 4-12 in as much as the team under Andy the last two years was not managed well.

    There are a number of you who see the entire team as trash. With Shady, Vick and Peters back in the line-up and healthy along with a more cohesive offensive line I like the Eagles chances, and Shady and Peters going back to pro bowl form under new management.

  • cliff henny

    heard alot of great reports coming out on salas, catching everything. all we have are reports. i’d like to see salas and shep in 1 PS game. DJ2 is going to have a nice year.
    just has to be something wrong w/ jones to still be unsigned.

  • Dutch

    So many of the veterans were recent free agent pick ups and none felt they had the right to step up last year. Vick was only here 3 seasons and it’s obvious newer guys look to Vick, but Vick didn’t think he was in position to confront other veterans who came only a year after he arrived.

    I understand the dilemma there.

  • illadelphia21

    You’re probably right.

  • Dutch

    I had also, I don’t think we can discount Salas based on what’s written about him in camp. There are a number of receivers coming up big. there is stiff competition in those reps. Maybe Maclin getting injured wasn’t a total waste after all. These kid are getting reps they may not have ordinary had and doing something with these opportunities.

  • Richard Colton

    remember how you said you wanted the Cooper stories to end so the trolls would leave? nope…they stayed

  • cliff henny

    GD espn! them going to facebook made the trolls disperse thru-out internet world. regular posters just need to freeze them out.

  • illadelphia21

    Never had a problem w/ the O. I thought we were pretty much set there minus some depth moves. It was the D that I was concerned about. And still am.

  • cliff henny

    yup, why i’m not worried about bringing new WR. still think we’ll score plenty with guys we have, and can use this time to develope young talent. with you, defense is going to be issue all yr. can see us playing much better, very competitive but just not holding any leads. why i just cant see winning record till i can get a live look at new d.