Morning Headlines: NYT Profiles Philly’s 13th Street. Plus: Kenny Gamble, Firehouse Demo and Turtles

• Slideshow: A Philadelphia Street, Transformed [NYT]
South Philly firehouse headed for demolition? [Inquirer]
Collingswood restaurant is up for grabs [Insider]
Threatened turtles Ridley Park’s costly ‘hidden jewel’ [Inquirer]
Kenny Gamble’s stewardship of Royal Theater dragged area down, neighbors say

Study says city dwellers would rather live on city’s north side [Wall Street Journal]
New Center City apartments double the vacancy rate [Phila Business Journal]

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  • Philly0312

    Please – can we limit our cooper stories per day? I get enough of it on every other news service. I’m dying. I’d rather know how Graham looked in pads since Sunday, and how they’ve been using him. Kills me to think he might be on the bench a lot – such a waste.

    • jabostick

      I’m already sick of it too but the stories ain’t going away until some games are played or until Tebow does something of note.

      I will say that despite it being over-analyzed, I do find the whole reaction/response to be especially interesting this year given the new regime, the amount of bubble players on the roster, etc.

    • D3Keith

      You’re not obligated to click on or view any of them.

      • #7

        Ding ding ding!!!

      • Richard Colton

        yes he is. addicted to Birds 24-7 just like a lot of people here. Not me though, I could quit anytime. I could. really…

  • illadelphia21

    IMO…the way the organization handled this was not the best way and is leading to a very complicated and polarized locker room, a divisive public image, and a general all around sh!t storm.

    If the organization took a hard line stance (which I wasn’t/am not advocating for) and cut Coop, there would be very little room for anybody to question them and the situation wouldn’t be as much of a distraction as it is. Once again I did not, think this action was warranted.

    Lurie and company went w/ the sensible approach. Yet they left out one very important part, which is consulting w/ the players. As said above, the hard line approach wouldn’t have required player consultation and would have sent a message. Whether how players felt, one way or the other, the locker room wouldn’t be influx and the distraction factor would have been negligible. However, w/ just a fine and the “middle of the road approach” w/o team consultation, we are where we are. If Lurie, Chip, and Howie had met w/ Coop, then allowed the team to hold their meeting w/ him, followed by a meeting w/o Coop, and finally concluded w/ a meeting between the team and “brass” and making a decision based off of all the input…you would have a unified front. Everybody on the same page. Players being able to express themselves and feelings about the situation. Which would lead to less media fodder. Players would still be conflicted, but they would have been heard and had an understanding of the way it is and going to be. It would have remains in house!

    Not every situation needs to be handled like this but this is a special case. If this keeps up going into our joint practice sessions w/ the Pats, then it might just be time to let Coop go. The distraction and division is just not worth it.

    • G_WallyHunter

      agreed.. it’s too bad but it’s the way it is, he isn’t worth keeping around. Maybe if he was an Eric Decker it would be a much more difficult decision, but as Sheil said, the dropoff from him to Johnson, Momah, or Shepard? isn’t that big… even tho to me that dropoff seems pretty big lol but it isn’t, Cooper isn’t anything special, whatever.
      If the eagles to drop him, they will have the worst set of WRs in the league I think, they will have to rely on CK making diamonds out of dust like he’s known for..

      • #7

        Johnson, Momah, or Shepard..I’m not aware of them ever playing in a real NFL game so how can you predict an accurate dropoff. OUt of the 3, Momah is a PROJECT.

  • firstdown

    Lets play FOOTBALL….no more talk bout the drunk white pony boy from clearwater…hes not even good @ FOOTBALL….go chip….go whoever the QB…go EAGLES….!!!!!!!!

    • #7

      #7

    • Richard Colton

      stay gold, ponyboy. stay gold.

  • Shark

    Vick killed dogs, he’s not one to judge. McCoy was accused of beating women (whether true or not, we can assume he has had his share of mistakes), he’s not one to judge. It is sad what Riley said, but I feel his punishment, a hefty fine, does fit the crime. The national media has completely overblown this and the fact that his job is being brought into question being potentially released for this incident, is ridiculous.

    • G_WallyHunter

      It is ridiculous, but when it comes to the team, it might have to be done. Picture you worked in an office of 20 or so people, half of which were black. If your boss and coworkers all saw a video of you doing what Riley did, you’d be out of a job the next day. This is no different, they are giving Riley as much slack as they can give him, but if the cancer and the “elephant in the room” doesn’t go away, then it must be done, he has absolutely no one to blame but himself

    • illadelphia21

      What’s so hard for people to understand…Below Average WR…National Media FODDER…HUGE TEAM DISTRACTION!!! It’s really not that complicated! No one on here is calling for his job, unless the attention and distraction carry on for too long!!! And please stop the dumbass comparisons of Vick and Shady’s transgressions to Cooper’s. the only similarities are that they are transgressions…which we all have them throughout life. So I guess nobody can have a opinion on any situation or anybody now?!

      • shark

        My point was that they, specifically Vick, shouldn’t be so quick to judge and possibly exile a teammate.

        • G_WallyHunter

          Vick held any judgement for that exact reason, praising forgiveness and getting second chances like he damn well should, McCoy on the other hand, wish he would just keep his mouth shut for the benefit of the team, but he didn’t

        • illadelphia21

          Vick didn’t judge and actually supported Coop and Shady didn’t throw him under the bus. He was talking about Coop on a personal level as related to their friendship. He made no indications as to whether Coop should be on or off the team or whether he should or should not be forgiven. He actually did say that he forgives him. Which is a very direct indication to move on, put this behind them, and get to the business of football. There is a big difference between forgiving and forgetting! I can forgive someone for stealing from me…doesn’t mean that I’m gonna be stupid enough to leave my wallet, unattended, around them. After I forgave them.

          • Richard Colton

            all the apologies in the world won’t make him anything more than a mediocre wide receiver. As an Eagles fan, I can forgive you being a drunken idiot at a Kenny Chesney concert, but not getting out-fought for a jumped ball by a 5-10 DB.

    • Dutch

      Why is it ridiculous his job is being brought into question? What kind of employer do you work for that allows racial epithets to fly out the mouths of employees representing their organization?

      It’s difficult for me to accept that some of you are absent an understanding on conduct in the workplace. You all are eventually going to cost your employer in amassing outrageous fines and penalties. If you did what Riley did chances are you would have been fired on the spot unless you’re working in your family run business.

  • #7

    “I’ll jump over that fence and fight every bleep over there” lol.

    Video cracked me up to be honest. Just the way he sounded.

    • G_WallyHunter

      as much as it sounds passionate, it sounds really fake at the same time. Kind of hard to distinguish.. I hope it was fake and it was the first time he’s ever use that word hahaha

      • #7

        Nope, it wasn’t fake. Just sounded funny. As a black man, hearing others use the word isn’t as offensive as it used to be. Now if someone says it to my face or to someone in my family, we have a problem

        • G_WallyHunter

          ya i was just playing obv.. I think he’s a southern born racist and he got caught, it sucks to see because that Maclin interview, seemed so sincere, he probably really won a lot of fans over with it, then he just throws it all out the window a few days later lol

        • Richard Colton

          easy to say when you’re surrounded by friends and a 10′ fence. when has he shown any heart or aggression on the field? I hate to pile on, but the idea of starting the season with Cooper starting at WR makes me sick. How great does the Vikings move to jump into the bottom of round one for Corderelle Patterson look now? wish we had a do-over.

          • illadelphia21

            Or even Rogers who went undrafted, due to character concerns, and was pick up by B-lo. I was so anticipating hearing/seeing that we signed him after the draft. But we want the “right kind of player” w/ the “right kind if attitude”. Screw pure unadulterated talent. How’s that working out for us now?!

          • #7

            Despite al of this, I think that Riley can make some plays for us and I think that he should get the start week one. WRs need to be used the right way and I don’t that Riley has. He’s not going to be a superstar, but I think that he can make some tough catches for us, something we haven had on the outside in a loooong time. I’m pulling for the kid, as long as he does not jump the fence and fight every n.. over here lol

          • illadelphia21

            Who else is gonna start wk1 for us on the outside…lol!

  • bushisamoron

    He should have been released immediately FOR THE SAKE OF THE TEAM. I am sure there are racists of all kinds on the team as in life. Riley Cooper is but one of them. However because of the nature of the sport and the fact that a new regime preaching togetherness is trying to turn around the team, the best option was to release him immediately. Even now if he is released, it looks weak. Should have happened immediately.

  • barneygoogle

    Way overdone by the hysterical media, and flubbed by the spineless Eagles. The media has treated Cooper worse than they treated Aaron Hernandez.
    Cooper, please get a good lawyer and sue the media. And get a black lawyer…drive ’em nuts.

  • mike

    Has anyone seem more than the 20 second clip? I’m guessing there’s more somewhere. Does anyone know what Cooper was responding too? Doesn’t change the word choice, but might be relevant in understanding intent. Have any of seemingly hundreds of reporters covering this story and writing thousands of words bothered to ask that question?

  • Richard Colton

    Its a shame Benn can’t get on the field but great opportunity for D Johnson, and Momah.

    • cliff henny

      think that’s probably who Gamble is talking about when saying ‘waiting’. really isnt anyone out there any better, and probably have some injury issues like Benn. at least we have all the medicals on Benn, so might as well wait week/10 days and see how his knee shakes out. like ertz pick 3 months ago, now i’m really really glad we have him, he’s basically is a WR in TE’s body. also, Salas is catching everything, and he is about same size, if not little bigger, as Maclin. have dj, dj2 who are small, but then avant, salas, shepherd and cooper have good size, along with ertz, even if Benn continues to battle that knee (which he probably will). w/ Benn, dont forgot, a good part of the reason he was cut is he has horrible hands. even if he’s 100%, we still have another major obsticle to overcome.

      • Dutch

        Collie and Lloyd were available, true Collie has injury issues but hes a sure handed and productive receiver as is Lloyd under the right circumstances and both are better than any reserve contending for playing time with the Eagles now.

        • illadelphia21

          Collie got signed by the niners

        • cliff henny

          lloyd is waiting for more injuries, so he can get a nice contract, least that’s the rumor mill on him. not sure eagles are going to meet his asking price. seeing how shep and salas are pretty much unproven, cant say lloyd is better. maybe we find our cruz or colston. but, sure, lloyd is probably better in short term, but long term, still rather see any ball that lloyd would get goto someone who’ll be here in ’14/’15. cant see that position having major effects on this yr’s game. now jax goes down…different story

          • Dutch

            Lloyd caught 74 balls last season and racked up 850 yds…… only an extraordinary young receiver in the likes of cruz can be expected to produce like that. I’m very confident Lloyd is better than any thing on the Eagles reserve roster unless even Johnson a second year player, matured into an extraordinary prospect over on offseason.

          • JofreyRice

            Lloyd is not very good with option routes. His inability to make the correct read on the coverage was the main reason why he & Brady never fully got on the same page, and a big reason why he’s no longer in NE, even though they need a receiver desperately. I think he’d be a better fit if it was all just predetermined routes in a typical WCO.

        • philliesfan136

          They will regret not bringing in Austin Collie. Huge upside, no downside. Class guy too.

          • illadelphia21

            Downside is he gets like a concussion on a weekly basis.

    • Dutch

      Reports say the kids are in a war trying to stay around. Momah is completely locked in the competition. It’s reported he’s making solid plays in camp. Yesterday, written in a couple of articles it’s said the kid stood out. Shepard is playing well and consistent but D Johnson has been described as “Uncoverable” receiver competition sounds good and contested.

  • Brent E. Sulecki

    I was thinkin of early doucet. But caplan said he’s slow and a slot guy. At this point id just take a possesion guy who is healthy and let jackson and damaris and others be the speed guys. The wr core needs some exp. Only jack and avant have real experience..riley and mac down. Benn would help..he needs to get on the field. No practice Saturday. Hope we see Benn sunday

    • Dutch

      I’m anxious to see Johnson. I like what I saw last year. With a offseason under his belt and a complete camp to build chemistry I hope he’s a difference maker or show traits of becoming one. There were some good reports on him from camp. Hope he worked on his game like Boykins obviously did.

      • Brent E. Sulecki

        he and djack have been unguardable

    • JofreyRice

      It’s hard to rate Doucet because he played with such toilet QB play. Unless you’re Larry Fitzgerald, it’s hard to overcome that.

      I’ll be curious to see if Derek Hagan gets cut by the Bucs. Good size. Average blocker. Can make some plays in the pass game. Not a future pro bowler by any means, but he might fit here.

      Also, Jeff Maehl might be available after the cutdowns. The Texans have a lot of receivers. Kelly’s shown a preference for players he’s familiar with.

      • Richard Colton

        off topic – how great would Fitzgerald look in midnight green? maybe another year of terrible QB play in Arizona and he’ll be squawking for a trade.

        • cliff henny

          better than hedi klume in a bikini!

          • JofreyRice

            let’s not get crazy, would take a lot to beat that!

          • cliff henny

            wish i could find the scene on youtube from ‘shallow hal’ when jack black is in the elevator describing his perfect women.
            .
            Larry Fitzgerald in Eagle uni would look better than that!

      • cliff henny

        love to see Maehl. maybe i just have phillies fatigue…just so worn out of retreds. even if doucet is better today than maehl,shep or salas, still rather they get reps.

        • illadelphia21

          What’s up w/ the Maehl love?

          • cliff henny

            he made alot of plays at Oregon. lot of long TDs, he was a good player. plus, rather pick up someone who is familiar with kelly’s offense at this time than trying to cram 5 months into 3 weeks.

          • Brent E. Sulecki

            At the NFL combine Jeff Maehl had a strong performance. He measured in at 6’1″ and 190 lbs and had a slower than average 40-time of 4.62 seconds. However, in the measures of quickness – 20-yard shuttle, 60-yard shuttle, and 3-cone drill – Maehl finished 2nd, 1st, and 1st respectively.[6] Maehl’s 6.42 second 3-cone drill was not only the fastest in this year’s draft, but the fastest it has been run in 6 years.[7]….

          • Brent E. Sulecki

            I will take quick over fast right now..and healthy over unhealthy…nice mention Joffrey..maybe CK is looking for him

          • illadelphia21

            No problem w/ that, although I do love me some fast. Either way, the FA market this offseason has been slim pickings. Can’t wait to see whose getting cut or put to the PS from other squads. And can’t wait to see how many players we pass over.

        • Brent E. Sulecki

          at least doucet has 139 career receptions..the only two with significant catches are desean and Jason..next is Benn at like 50 something…they need another vet.

          • Brent E. Sulecki

            nevermind looks like seattle got doucet because of harvin injury…damn

      • Brent E. Sulecki

        ive seen Maehl and now his game. and ive heard of Hagan. is either good enough to be a 3 or 4 on our team tho. I know Jason is stuck at the slot. but we need more depth. in the case that momah and shep aren’t ready and who knows if they are..momah had a good day yesterday. he has a learning curve too, not playin football for a couple years since bc. and damaris will be a huge part of the team this year. as I thought riley was. just 2 different guys you could do different things with…it hurts with Coop and maclin gone for sure.

  • Anon

    Think it’s time for TO resurrection.

    • cliff henny

      time machine a 2005 version of Owens into Kelly’s offense and he’d break every record in the books.

      • Dutch

        It’s a run dominated offense, TO doesn’t run the ball he’s best used as a target down field. Kelly’s offense is going to run and feature a limited passing game, no more than 5 yds off the line with the bubble screen being the route of choice.

        • illadelphia21

          So does that mean that we don’t need excellent or really good WRs? Serious question. Do you think a line up of DJax, Coop, DJ2, Avant, Salas, Shepard, and Momah are good enough for this year?

          • Dutch

            I thought it was going to be a tight negotiation and justification to pay Maclin what he would command. This offense isn’t set up to use two receivers in the mode of Jackson and Maclin. Maclin would have virtually been paid to be a decoy, just to relieve pressure on the speed guy. Johnson may be good enough to command Maclin’s attention from defenses. All that is needed is credible threat not 60 catches.

            Depending on the development and consistency I think the line up in your post is sufficient for this offense. Don’t forget there is going to be like 80 catches divided up between the Tight Ends in this offense. But, Celek is not looking good and some of the young tight ends are.

          • illadelphia21

            Don’t even get me started on the organization and Maclin.

            It sounds to me, from your previous comments and this one, like you think the team is going to be a “dink and dunk” type offense when not running the ball? I really hope we don’t turn into that.

          • Dutch

            Kelly plays the percentages. When he attacks down field it’s to keep the defense honest and play to the safeties then it’s back to grinding it out and taking advantage of spacing he has tight ends that can do that.

          • illadelphia21

            Ugh…Celek. I love the toughness he brings but he’s seriously lacking in almost every other department. Speed, athleticism, reliable hands, and pass pro. I heard reports a couple years back that harbor was the better blocker and Celek was the better overall player. W/ that being said I’m thinking for the TE spots:
            Ertz: who can’t block to save his life, and has been inconsistent in TC.
            Casey: who still has a lot to prove IMO,
            Harbor: just as good as Celek, although has not shown the toughness or attitude that Brent has, but is more athletic.
            Carrier: who I really just want this team to develop. He needs to improve his his hands and has been throughout TC as well as improving his route running. And I love his size and speed Combo. He’s my Riley Cooper (w/o the slurs), a guy that fans can like and want on the team w/ no rational/logical reason to justify it.

            I know it’s sacrilege to not want Celek on the squad.

          • cliff henny

            heard celek is dropping alot of balls too. he is best blocking TE, bet we’ll see his chances greatly reduced this year.
            ertz is still wet behind ears, give the guy some more time. if by mid season he’s still strugling, then we have issues. remember, he had that bs college rule that he couldnt be at our otas.
            i’m with you on harbor and cooper. these are proven marginal players that i hope dont make the team because we upgraded.

          • JofreyRice

            I’ve never thought much of Celek’s blocking, and he’s so inconsistent with catching the ball–one week he might make every play on balls thrown his way, the next week, his hands are stone.

            I was never a fan of them drafting Ertz. I’m not a huge proponent of drafting guys that are partially propped up by their system–such as TE’s from Stanford. I really would have preferred Travis Kelce. The guy blocks like a tackle, and can really move. That being said, Ertz’ superior route-running ability lets you move him out to the X position, which might have been a bit harder with Kelce right away–though I do think he has that kind of long term upside.

          • Brent E. Sulecki

            I don’t think they are…but I expect huge production from tes and backs to cover inability at wr

          • Anon

            Easier said than done, I don’t think TEs have looked great in TC. Celek having trouble catching, Ertz can’t block so it’s hard to disguise what they are doing if they have very clear limitations on skill set. Hopefully they both improve (I really like Celek) but Kelly’s gotta be a little disappointed, since TEs seem to be the new slot receivers.

  • BlindChow

    ESPN’s AFC East blogger mentioned Marvin McNutt having a great camp in Miami. Dammit.

    • cliff henny

      that guy showed nothing as an eagle. cant argue with that cut

      • illadelphia21

        6th rounder, developmental, put on the PS, brought in way to early cause of injury. What was he supposed to show? He got open on like 1 or 2 reg season plays, but him and Foles never could connect. At least see what Chip could do w/ him, if anything.

        • cliff henny

          far enough…but you sat mcnutt…this is all i remember

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4C26mNNd3mY

          • Mr. Wu

            Thanks for rehashing that lovely memory. Now can you stab me in the eye with a pencil?

          • cliff henny
          • Mr. Wu

            yes that did it….you bastard:p

            I do like the clip that plays after it though

          • Brent E. Sulecki

            my favorite part of that highlight is that Tennessee scored 44 on Detroit…wow..

          • illadelphia21

            Lol. That was probably the play that sealed his fate w/ this team.
            I only laugh to keep from crying!!!

          • cliff henny

            like how they have yellow circle and arrow, so you dont even need to run the vid.

      • Richard Colton

        He never showed any playmaking ability while he was here, but I’d give my left McNutt to have a tall WR with his speed.

        • cliff henny

          momah!

          • Richard Colton

            he has to take what he did in yesterday’s practice and do it every day.

          • cliff henny

            yup. have to give him time. guy basically didnt play in 2 yrs and now is being tossed into nfl camp. fact that he can even have good days i think is incredible.

      • BlindChow

        We essentially traded him to Miami for the late BJ Cunningham.

    • illadelphia21

      Yeah I heard that also. Reid never had a good track record w/ developing talent and I think Howie gave up on him to quickly. We used a draft pick in him for Christ sakes!!! At least try to develop him or see if the new coach could of used him and if he could do anything of value in TC.

      • Dutch

        Haunting Management issues. I like’s McNutt also but in my opinion Andy sometimes strangled talent he would not be the first player released who became a key clog in another scheme elsewheres.

  • The R

    Everyone can hate on my comment all they want but the best two non-signed wr out there is Chad and T.O you bring in one of them and instantly everyone stops talking about Riley

  • jabostick

    I wonder what staff from other teams are following Birds 24/7?

    • EaglefaninAZ

      That’s what I was thinking.

  • Explorer51

    Shephard will be the starter when all is said and done; we should stop focusing on retreads and let these young guys compete their a**es off.

  • oregon philly

    Sign TO for a good character and locker room chemistry.