Most Unusual: Wilmington Home With Bomb Shelter Built During Cuban Missile Crisis

This redwood home on a woodsy acre has an outbuilding whose historic context beats that of most other Wilmington real estate, to be sure. In October of 1962, the country was brought to what seemed to be the brink of nuclear war. By this time, children had been crouching beneath their desks–”Duck and Cover!”–for civil defense test raids for a decade. But the Cuban Missile Crisis provoked the kind of fear that would lead a homeowner to speedily erect a stone bunker on his property.

What is the shelter good for now? Perhaps 21st-century end-of-days folks who want a place to preserve their potable water will find it appealing. Do such people live in Wilmington, Del.? If not, the listing suggests a wine cellar, which is much more fun.

As for the other aspects of the house, given the number of pine and oak walls, the decor may be responsible for the Delaware Wooden Wall Crisis of 1952.

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THE FINE PRINT
Bedrooms: 4 beds
Bathrooms: 2.5 baths
Square feet: 3,025
Asking price: $349,000
Price cut as of June 1: -$30,000
Listing: 629 Shipley Rd, Wilmington, Del.

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  • furrimurri

    No pics of the bomb shelter?
    What’s the point of the story without the pics?

  • furrimurri

    No pics of the bomb shelter?
    What’s the point of the story without the pics?

  • Brian

    Sheil reports the truth. Vick and Foles lined up with the Ones. Sal Paolantonio reports that there was a major development… Vick ran with the Ones and Foles ran with the Second team. I’ve lost all respect for Sal. That’s why this is the best place for real Eagles news. Not that it’s a Vick/Foles thing, but rather there’s no BS to create a story.

    • MV7

      That was the first report I read and Sal has always been credible in the past

    • Weapon Y

      Sal has lost all credibility as far as I’m concerned. It’s one thing to say, “I believe Michael Vick is going to be the starter.” That’s a reasonable prediction. It’s another to completely make stuff up to support what you said. That’s where I draw the line.

      • Matty Boy

        To Sal’s credit, I just saw his report on ESPN. He must’ve amended his initial report, because he stated things much more factually. He mentioned Foles split reps with the ones and that Vick hasn’t distanced himself as the starter. Maybe some of this heat is getting back to Sal.

  • MV7

    Seems like #7 had a good practice and Foles was a bit inaccurate even though tge WRs made the catches anyway at least from what I’ve read. I have to say Shiel does the best job at this

  • Weapon Y

    I’m now worried that Brandon Graham is getting shafted once again. Davis is rotating guys at other positions (i.e. Curtis Marsh at CB, Jason Phillips at ILB), but not OLB. Graham isn’t even getting looks in 4-man fronts, where he dominated last year. Either Graham is not adjusting well to the new defensive scheme or Davis is giving him the Jim Washburn treatment all over again.

  • MV7

    See lol. That’s I’m talking about. People don’t want the truth unless its in their favor

    • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

      Overall it was a good day for both of them. Though the normal concerns were there for both:

      - Vick seemed to hold the ball longer than Kelly likes – BUT he didn’t throw it and in a game time situation those may have been runs.

      - Foles seems a tad more accurate and quicker bout getting back to the line and the play off, but still has concerns re: under throwing the ball.

  • The E-Team

    MV7 just stop…save yourself some face. We know you want your boy Vick to win it but throwing out lies won’t help anyone.

    • MV7

      What lies? I have no reason to lie. We all have the Internet

    • MV7

      You mad bro?

      • Brian

        Lol, no. Although I believe in Nick Foles more than Michael Vick, I’m Team first. If Vick earns the job, by outperforming Foles, I’ll admit I was wrong and cheer for my team. I just want the Eagles to win more games than they lose this season, no matter who the quarterback is.

  • ojdiddoit

    Waiting for the pads to come on and the hitting to start before anything means anything.

    • MV7

      Yep

  • Brent E. Sulecki

    Awesome job Sheil. I want your Autograph no doubt and and Sunday if I see you you better have a pen….nice blurred lines video too. look liked the original to me. minus a couple things I suppose.

  • JofreyRice

    Just watched the PE.com recap of practice. Man, Trent Cole does not look smooth moving around as an OLB, at all. Very herky-jerky when changing direction & when flipping his hips.

    Peters looked awesome, though. Very optimistic about his return.

  • https://www.skinnypost.com/ GayleSaunders

    Sheil you deserve a slow clap for this report good stuff as usual! Felt Like I was there can’t wait till Sunday to see it live!

  • Damien

    Foles was the best QB today, Cooper was awful, and Bryce looks fast.

  • Eaglepete

    Man folks need to slow down on qb comp. At least wait a week with pads on before over analyzing.

    • Force Recon

      This comp has been blown out of proportion by the Philly media.

  • GEagle

    Vick has thrown countless INTs this offseason without ever even having a pass rush in his face….Nick Foles hasn’t had an INT recorded By the media since last year…what’s going to happen in the preseason when defenses start rushing Vick.?..and let’s not talk about how many snaps Vick has fumbled in OTAs lol

  • theycallmerob

    BREAKING NEWS: word out of camp is that Vick woke up before Foles this morning. Unverified reports mention that he also finished breakfast first. The competition has been settled, folks.

  • ridusofreid

    This defense is at least a two year transition. Barwin will spend most of his time covering TE and Graham or Cole will be rushing the passer. I would be satisfied with 6-7 wins. Does not matter which QB wins job. Each would have a rather short leash and if its Vick, he gets injured or pulled within the first six games. That ends his Eagles career.

  • Andy124

    Maclin’s down. Carted off the field. Non-contact leg injury.

  • MV7

    Seeing Cole and Graham drop in coverage makes me nervous

  • cliff henny

    well, i can drive with my feet, but it’s not a good idea.

  • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

    Vick’s answer was hilarious. Foles thinking he’ll run the read option is just as amusing.

    Chuckles all around.

    • Joe Jones

      “The legend of Nick Foles” grows every day……looks like we’ve found our franchise QB…..he’s sooooooo smart, sooooooo accurate, gets the ball out sooooooo quick. And he can run the read option…..OMG

      I cant imagine how anyone could realistically expect to compete with the greatness that is Nick Foles. LMAO

      • Jerry Goldstein

        Luckily you’re just some schlub on a comments section and not affiliated with the team.

        • MV7

          Tom, on what level has Foles won?

          • Andy124

            Tom?

      • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

        Huh?

        • Joe Jones

          sarcasm, directed at the media who cant wait to tell you how amazing Nick was in 7 on 7, where QBs are supposed to look good. There is no pass rush and a high completion rate is typical.

          • Jerry Goldstein

            Reporters gon’ report. Why are ya mad about it? LOL

          • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

            lol. Okay. I couldn’t tell. I was like..is he serious…huh?

            lol

          • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

            Until pads go on it’s just chatter. We’ll see once pads are on and pre-season games are played.

          • Dutch

            The issue with the Phila Media’s account of Foles is those same media pundits gave similar glowing accolades and reports on Kevin Kolb in the 2009 camp. How accurate, confident and supremely in command of the offense Kolb showed himself on the practice fields up at Lehigh. Google and research writers and their articles from the 2009 camp.

            Once the Eagles broke camp and we seen Kolb down at the Linc in game action it clear Kolb could not compete and, that opinion was reinforced in Arizona with the Cardinals. Despite what was written by the Phila mob with ink pens the plain truth was Kolb shouldn’t be starting in the NFL. Today all of those writers to the Man are the very guys writing how sharp Foles looks throwing in camp against shadows. The next season I found Sheil who seemed the most objective source from camp in the Phila area. Sheil never presented a fluff piece on Kolb that entire camp and let the chips fall where they may.

            When it comes to how players respond in practice if you don’t see if for yourself don’t buy into a description based on accounts in the Phila Media news sources.

          • MV7

            I would buy you a cold brew for that post. You’re exactly right. I’m not at practice, but I CLEARLY recall the writers here saying that pretty much there was no way Vick could take the job from Kolb. They wanted Kolb to win in that “competition” too. I say it often, but Shiel is the one I noticed that kept the analysis fair. People get offended that I don’t mention McManus, I really don’t know his work enough and no offense to him,

            Mosher..Bowen..and Domowitch. They just seem real biasd to me and I get that it’s hard not to be I guess

          • http://www.philthycanuck.com/ Adam

            Anybody who doesn’t agree with your view = biased. Got it.

          • MV7

            That’s the point of a blog I thought. We have our views. If you don’t get personal with it, I’m good. I don’t remember you doing so. Let’s debate

          • Dutch

            That wasn’t a competition. Everyone associated with the Eagles and fans of the Eagles believed based on the reports from camp that Kolb was the heir apparent to McNabb. Kolb had been waiting in the wings playing the part of a good solider. There were reports on how prepared he was finally to take the reigns and the Eagles weren’t going to miss a beat. The city was convinced. After camp broke I settled back in my seat and by the second series I knew as did everyone in my section knew we were watching an unmitigated disaster under center. We all thought Vick was on his way out of Phila, he had been let back in the league he sat on the bench a year and made no noise. Nobody was looking at Vick to emerge as a starter.

            Kolb got hurt against the Packers, Vick came in after his second series there was no doubt the entire city was sold on Vick and there was no turning back. In the year he sat on the bench Andy taught Vick to keep his eyes down field when he scrambled and he was brilliant. After winning the division Andy continued to tinker with Vick’s game and in conducting an extreme make over took away Vick’s instincts by forcing him to stay tattered in the pocket until he read his progressions. Horrible idea given the weakness of the Offensive Line to pass block.

          • MV7

            The Poet Dutch has spoken.

            Sit back and read the words people. It ain’t hard.

          • Joe Jones

            well said….thanks Dutch

          • xlGmanlx

            And yet when it is game time, Vick has only been above 60% once in his career. Never thrown more than 30 TD’s in a season and only played a full 16 once. The funny thing is with the MV7 sword swallowing around here, the facts show, even IF 7 wins the job, he isn’t going to play a full 16. History has shown us who 7 is and that no matter what, we will see some one else under center in 13′.

      • MV7

        Damn man! Get on board! Foles is the second coming of Montana!

      • Dutch

        The local writers spent all spring selling Foles. Writing about how good and accurate he looks. Never mind Foles and Vick were throwing to receivers who by rule could not run routes against defenders.

        Foles was basically, throwing to uncover receivers; playing catch. How is it not possible to look good when there is no defender covering a receiver? Those writers who omitted in their articles the DJax specular catch of the day were the writers saying how sharp Foles was yesterday in their writings.

        Since when is inaccuracy and underthrown balls a characteristic of a NFL QB being sharp?

        If you don’t see it at camp for yourself don’t repeat the reports posted in the Writers articles.

        • http://www.philthycanuck.com/ Adam

          Haha, you sound like a conspiracy theorist. Everyone has an agenda to you, don’t they?

          • MV7

            How do you not understand his post? How simple can he make it be?

          • http://www.philthycanuck.com/ Adam

            Are you his bodyguard or something?

          • MV7

            Don’t you respond when you think you hear the truth too? Of course, only when you want to hear it

          • http://www.philthycanuck.com/ Adam

            That doesn’t even make sense.

          • MV7

            Well you thought what I said wasn’t the truth and you responded to it. Got it?

  • illadelphia21

    I know athleticism involves more than just speed…but did Lazor really just try and sell us on Foles as athletic!!! Really! Come On. That’s too much bullish!t to take in. I don’t know about the read option, w/ Foles running it, but I can see the team surprising Ds by running him on third a short a couple times this season. Ala, Pats and Brady. And yes I know his runs are usually always QB sneaks.

    • Jerry Goldstein

      Foles played basketball in college as well as football. The dude balls. But I agree that I don’t want to see Foles running a lot. Athleticism is more than pure speed like you said.

      • cliff henny

        foles isnt brady bad. issue is by comparison to vick,who might be greatest athlete ever to play qb. the kid did get recruited by georgetown. last 25 yrs, they didnt have a lot stiffs on court. i dont think there’s any question the r/o would be better run by vick, but there’s plenty of other plays foles can outshine on that could easily sway the decision. i do think it will come down to how much foles has improved on decision making, arm strength, footwork for deep balls and release.

        • illadelphia21

          “the kid did get recruited by georgetown. last 25 yrs, they didnt have a lot stiffs on court.”
          No but they did on the bench.
          I kid.

          • Jerry Goldstein

            Regardless the point is he’s no slouch. I think he’s most comparable to big Ben. I’d like to see him bulk up not work on speed but I guess speed is Kelly’s game.

          • MV7

            Lol. Big Ben is not slow. Foles reminds me of Jim Druckenmiller. Just telling the truth. Big and slow..sure Foles can get the ball out quick, but you seem to forget that Foles had..what..6 dropped INTs last year? If those are picks like they should have been, we wouldn’t be having this conversation

          • Andy124

            If you can’t laugh at that, you’re taking this too seriously. Good stuff.

          • illadelphia21

            I’m saying tho…I thought it was funny.

        • MV7

          One thing I can say about Foles, he can move around in the pocket pretty well.

      • illadelphia21

        That doesn’t mean too much. There are tons of kids who play basketball and football in college and would not be considered or called athletic for their respective sports. Maybe/probably athletic for everyday people though.
        And please re-read the 1st sentence in my comment.

      • MV7

        zzzzzzz

    • xlGmanlx

      It isn’t like the dude ran a 7.6 40, he can extend the play or turn a coverage sack into a positive play. That is all he needs to THREATEN to do, not be Vick. Take what the defense gives you.
      What made 5 so infuriating later in his career is he refused to run even when it was clear as day, maybe fighting the ghosts of stereotypes…

      • illadelphia21

        Yes that’s what pissed me off about Donovan also. Seemed like he was to worried about shucking the stereotype of being a black QB w/ decent speed automatically makes you not a pocket passer or good QB. When he should have just focused on do whatever it took to win.

        And wasn’t my initial comment focused on Lazor selling a bill of goods concerning Foles and the read option?! So please just leave it at that, as I did. Notice how I didn’t go into what he can and can’t do outside of that!!! I didn’t even “bash” him and y’all are getting up in arms. Hilarious.

        • Jerry Goldstein

          Up in arms? We’re just discussing what you said. We say your opinion is wrong and it’s up in arms?

          • illadelphia21

            Really??? So my opinion on how Lazor is touting Foles athleticism, in context of the read option, is wrong. Come on man. I know your going hard for Foles, but stop it.

        • xlGmanlx

          I didn’t really see anything you said to refute my point. The point isn’t for foles to be Vick, it is the threat of the run, 3-5 times a game that keeps them honest. That, plus spread offense based in the running game opening up lanes should be easy. Think of Rodgers, the guy kills team late in games/season/playoffs by picking up key first downs or yardage by taking what the D gives them.

          • illadelphia21

            Whoa…Rodgers is truly athletic and faster, and actually mobile, and on a whole different level than Foles. You replied to my original comment either misconstruing or not understanding what I was saying. So I replied strictly to that and is why I said let’s leave it at that.

            So…I never claimed or eluded to Foles being Vick. I also didn’t think I needed to go into how buying time to throw the ball is a whole lot different from running the option. Could Foles pick up 2-4 yards running the option??? Probably, although I doubt consistently. But 5-10 and doing that consistently…hell no. Plus any defense that can give up those kind of yards to Foles on an option, would have to be a real sh!tty run D. I don’t expect a average D or even below average D to get taken advantage of more than once if Foles is running the option against them.

            So once again, as stated before, this was in the context of Lazor’s comments, which were in context of Foles and the read option

          • Dutch

            Rogers does good so long as he’s standing upright…. Green Bay is through so long as they are in need of offensive line help. I would dare to say Green Bay offensively is Phila now that they are desperate for offensive line help.

            Every QB that is considered miles better than Vick over the last 2 years has enjoyed the benefit of having at the least 2 extraordinary Offensive Linemen protecting them. Vick has enjoyed 1, that being Jason Peters. For all the talk of how good the Offensive Line was in 2011 there is no talk of how that line was mixed and moved around and had additions and replacements installed by Mudd to form a serviceable unit after the initial 8 games of 2011. Most of you don’t recall who was the starting tackle before Herreman’s was moved into emergency duty at right tackle, or that Mathis was slated as depth after being picked up for a try out.

            The truth of the matter is that the Eagles didn’t have a pocket, Vick was running for his life and this was proven in 2012 because Foles likewise ran for his life and finally got caught and laid out for the mash unit.

        • MV7

          He was selling it hard. Keep on selling it Lazor, but you know the truth. Vick is going to win the job

      • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

        No one is even scared of the threat of Foles running.

        His ass needs to stay in the pocket where he belongs. He’ll be laid out and he ain’t built for that life.

        lol

        • MV7

          Hell they’re hoping that Foles wins the job so it will be an easier for them. No one is scared of Foles. No one. Vick still has respect in the league and is still a threat.

          I believe Vick will win this job, but if he doesn’t, Vick will play at some point. Fans are unfortunately fickle. Chip still wants to win, and the fans that say they don’t are stupid. I want to win, and to hear philly fans say they want to lose this year..never thought I would hear that from a city that has never won a SB. You just never know in the NFL. Worst to first happens every year.

          • xlGmanlx

            Scared of Vick? Unlikely, the Chris Webb led Vikings laid out the blueprint.

          • MV7

            Who in the hell is Chris Webb

          • illadelphia21

            I hear you. And that’s why I find it weird that when I say I want The QB that gives us the best chance to win to start and then later say I want Bridgewater, people can’t understand it.

            I want the guy who I think will be the top QB next year and who I think will/could be our franchise QB. Yet I can’t and never will pull a “Suck for Luck” type deal and hope my team loses. Yet realistically I don’t think we’ll win a lot of games next year, mostly cause of our D, so we still might have a slight chance to make a play for him.

          • Andy124

            Funny, this is one where I completely disagree with T-Law. He thinks hoping for Terry is off the menu, for multiple sound reasons. However, we’re human beings. We can want our team to do well and want the best player in the next draft at the same time. We have more emotional depth than a teaspoon.

            FTR, I have no opinion on Terry or any other college QB.

          • xlGmanlx

            Yep, Kelly looks like the type to worry about fans on blogs are writing or what the media reports.

        • Dutch

          If I’m the DC and Foles is under centers, I shoot the gaps and play my defensive end to slash down instead of containing the outside to take Shady out of the play and force Foles to keep the ball and run or make quick decision on a pass attempt. Based on the tape of the kid’s games in 2012 you want him passing the ball instead of letting McCoy jump cut into a rushing lane following Peters sliding off of a combo block.

          Choice is simple, McCoy rushing 30 times, or Foles passing/running 35-45 times?

          • MV7

            there it is

          • MV7

            Call it slobbing if you want people. DC’s still respect #7′s ability..a threat..while they are salivating at the threat of Foles. Can he move in the pocket, sure, but you have to make a play. If the line protects, Vick can get it done. We all know the situation. If Vick wins, he has a short leash..GOOD. Vick has to go out there and do it, If not, he got to sit

        • MV7

          lol

        • xlGmanlx

          yup, better to have the smaller, more fragile, injury prone, non-accurate QB run it.

    • SoCalEaglesFan

      There’s a video floating around the web of Foles playing basketball with the Eagles team. He doesn’t look like Lebron on the court but he doesn’t look like a stiff, either. The guy has game on the court. Yes. He’s a good athlete. No question about it.

      • MV7

        That video should help him win the job

      • illadelphia21

        Perhaps you should read further down for my comments on that. And once again…we are talking, or rather Lazor was talking, in context of the read option.

        Folds had many instances where he would be athletic enough to buy time in the pocket. Dude’s a magician in the pocket. Or just athletic enough to roll out. However running w/ the ball…naw son! That’s where it ends.

        • Andy124

          Series of theories:
          1) Point of read-option =
          Make the defender freeze, preventing him from helping defend the RB dive.
          2) Ego driven, athletic defenders committing to the dive and watching slow-ass Foles run around the edge for 5-10 yards will feel humiliation.
          3) Said humiliation will freeze defenders as they do not wish to be humiliated again.
          4) Go back to point 1) – the read option is a mental game as much as anything else. Its goal is to use fear against the defender. They can fear the speed of Vick, or the embarrassment of being burned by Foles. As long as they fear, it can affect how they play and give an advantage to the O.

          Repeat: the above is a series of theories that I have not thought all the way through.

          • illadelphia21

            Pretty sound in theory. Well since you brought up ego driven and athletic defenders…I would think that an athletic defender ego would allow him to believe that he could cheat the pitch, just a little, and still be able to make up ground or, at least, be able to chase down Foles slow-ass from behind and only give up negligible gain(s). Of course this is dependent on the down and yardage. 3rd and 1-2…yeah Foles could freeze said defender and pick up the 1st. 1st/2nd/3rd and 4 or more…maybe not so much. And your theory goes completely out the window if the opposing D employs the Pats “Nincovich Strategy”. Like they did against The Tebow led Broncos a couple yrs ago.

            The threat of a QB being able to hurt, if not gash you, is key. And it seems your leaving that out. So, depending on the down and distance, what’s to stop an opposing D-Coord from seeing Foles in and telling his players to key in on the HB if the option is ran?
            1) if Foles is in it won’t be ran 20 times or chip should be fired.
            2) the D-Coord could be confident that he has LBs. Safeties, and yes, even D-linemen who could get to Foles in time to make those gains negligible.

      • nicksaenz1

        D-1 Bball recruits typically aren’t athletic

  • Jerry Goldstein

    I sure hope Foles only runs like 2-3 times a game. Be much better off playing to his passing strengths.

  • Max Lightfoot

    Vick: “But someday I’ll get it, man.”
    Yeah. Like someday on another team, maybe. If he doesn’t get it soon, real soon, he’ll just be a voice balloon hanging in the locker room air. And the thought of Foles doing an end-around is frightening. And hideous. Sorry about Maclin – best to him.

    • Token

      Vick has said he will slide since the ATL days. Hes a moron.

  • D-von

    Yesterday, Vick fans brought up Jordan Raanan as the best and most objective reporter in the QB race because he thought Vick had the better day. So who did he think won today?

    http://www.nj.com/eagles/index.ssf/2013/07/michael_vick_vs_nick_foles_foles_has_strong_day_in_eagles_qb_competition.html

    I’ll give you a hint. It ain’t Vick

    • illadelphia21

      What’s your point? For real…what is it? All that does is support the person’s statement of J. Raan being objective…since J. Raan is being objective.

      • D-von

        That the consensus believes Foles played better. There is nobody to support you Vick fans

        • illadelphia21

          Sigh. You state one source and then use the term consensus. Smh. And btw, I’m not arguing that he didn’t play better. I really don’t care who plays better right now…only in live action, ie, preseason.

          And big deal anyway. They both have been playing well. Slight nod to Foles or Vick doesn’t mean sh!t at this point. Also Vick fans don’t need anybody to support them. The comment that ‘there’s nobody to support Vick fans’ is just as nonsensical as your 1st comment. One, I doubt they care and Two, if you can’t see the flaw in either of your comments then your just trying to bash Vick. Cool, that’s your right, but please at least make sense while doing so.

          Also, while I do think Vick gives us the best chance to win, and subsequently, want him to start for that reason alone…I am not a Vick fan. I’m a former Vick fan. As I’ve stated numerous times before I don’t see nor want him here as the future. Give me Bridgewater! Step your game up D!

          • D-von

            When every reporter said that Foles played better than Vick yesterday, the only opinion that mattered to Vick fans was Raanan’s. Now today Raanan said Foles played better. So add him to the list with Jeff Mclane, Eloitt Shorr-Parks, Mosher, Jimmy Kempski, Les Bowen etc. who all said they thought Foles was better. That is what you call a consensus. Now If I’m a coach and I’ve two players playing well with the younger one playing slightly better than the older one guess who I’m going to pick. The younger one. You may think its nonsensical because you just hate Nick Foles, but plenty of people are seeing who the better QB is. Also lets stick with 2013 season and not the 2014 draft

          • illadelphia21

            Why would I hate Foles?! I don’t know the kid personally and by all accounts he seems like a good dude.

            Some coaches would go w/ the younger one out of two QBs who player better. But I’ve seen many times in this league, where a coach goes w/ the Vet cause of his experience, whether or not there’s a slight advantage or disadvantage.

            Why do I have to stick w/ the present season, which I already gave my views on?! You called me a Vick fan and now a Foles hater…I’m telling you I don’t want either, offering you a supportive statement for this and exposing my pick out of the lesser of two evils for me.
            Like I said…step your game up D!

          • D-von

            SMH. Talking to you is like talking to a 3 year old. The most annoying people are those who say they are neutral when in actuality they are the biased ones. Also we should stick to 2013 because we don’t know how this season will play out. So saying you want Bridgewater doesn’t really mean anything

          • illadelphia21

            And so cause of your ineptitude, talking to me is like talking to a 3 yr old. Lol. So now I gotta be childish and come down to your level. Your a clown kid! I told you my preference! Preference and bias are two different things. The fact that I want Teddy on this team supports the fact that I don’t see Vick as anything more than a stop gap and the same w/ Foles. Which goes on to support the fact that I don’t want Vick on this team past this year, which eliminates my bias. Follow me. I know it’s hard for you to keep up.

            I can support someone while realizing there limitations and while having that support be conditional or even on a time sensitive basis. Most adults and people w/ limited intelligence can do this. What’s your excuse! Jus cause I don’t believe in Foles over Vick at this particular time does not indicate or correlate to bias either.

            The most annoying people to me are those who can’t apply critical think and/or reasoning outside of a black and white level!
            I told you kid…step your game up!

          • D-von

            Lol. The fact that you want Teddy Bridgewater shows how foolish you are. Let me spell it out for you. Bridgewater is in college. He could be injured, have a bad year, decide he does not want to play football etc. But for argument sake, lets say he chooses the go into the draft and is seen as a top pick. And lets say the Eagles went 8-8. That means we probably won’t get Bridgewater. So now the QB of your dreams is not there and we are stuck with Foles and Barkley.

            Lets deal with what we have instead of imagining something we don’t know we will ever have. As of right now Foles or Barkley is our future. Vick is 33 with probably 2 good years, which means he is not our future. Plus the fact that he is TO and injury prone makes him a hindrance to the team.

          • illadelphia21

            So it’s foolish that I really don’t believe in the QBs on our roster and am not going to be short sighted by not looking ahead to the future? Dude you’re ridiculous.

            And I really don’t think we have a shot of going 8-8 w/ the defense we’re fielding at the present time.

            Your what if scenario’s are funny. I’m having one right now. Like, “what if D-von was open to an intelligent conversation from the beginning, instead of just dick riding Foles?” “What if D-von could see that not everyone thinks like him, or has limited thinking like him, and could just support his dude and chill?” “What if this discussion didn’t have to be so drawn out?” Last one is partly my fault. There’s a lot of things that can go wrong or go right. However either way, whether w/ Vick or Foles, I don’t think this team is going to be in the position for the top two picks in the up coming draft. Well who knows now since Mac went down and we don’t have a solid back up for him. So I’m hoping that we will be prepared to mortgage the future for what I think, and hope would be, a true franchise QB.

            I already stated that Vick isn’t our future, hence the bridgewater part to support that. I knew you would eventually bring it up so I grew it out there early. Yet you rebelled against it, only to go on to try to use it against me, and then act like I never took it into account in the 1st place!!! Damn homey…smh!

            Foles is almost just as turnover prone from what I saw last year. Plus you want us to deal w/ what we have but go on to talk about potential when it comes to Foles…whaaaaat!!! Luckily for you and unlike you, I can handle the complexity of situations and discussions. So I get what you’re saying and won’t hold it against you…too much.

            Stop coming at me w/ either or black and white bs. It’s not the world we live in. And thanks for the spelling lesson.

          • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

            Only Foles fans thinks looking good in shorts matters.

          • D-von

            Not just shorts. He played better than Vick in the 2012 preseason and regular season. And Foles comes with the added bonus of actually being able to read defenses

          • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

            Oh Jesus.

            No. He didn’t.

            But this isn’t last season is it?

          • D-von

            If you believed Vick played better than go ahead. But how did a rookie average more points as the QB than a 10 year vet?

          • illadelphia21

            There you go D. Good job. I’ll agree w/ you on the preseason fact. Vick looked horrible, even more than he did during regular season. I’m even w/ you on the regular season part, statistically speaking though! But I didn’t see anything from Foles that made me fall in love w/ the kid or make me think that, “yup that’s the future of our franchise and by far the best QB on the roster!” Jus didn’t work like that for me.

          • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

            Look I’ll take Vick looking bad and winning games and being in a position of win games then Foles being (slightly statistically better) and losing games.

          • illadelphia21

            Agreed

          • Token

            um. Guess how many games Vick has won the last two years.

          • illadelphia21

            More than Foles last year. Just a guess.

          • Andy124

            “Guess how many games Vick has won the last two years”
            I think what you meant to ask was, “How many games has Vick won with Bowles as DC.”… You know, ’cause it’s a team sport and all.
            Answer – one less than Foles.

          • D-von

            But we know what we have in Vick. So if Foles has potential than lets see what he can do

          • illadelphia21

            We know what we have in Foles also. I hate that argument. More accurate is Foles has more room to grow. I don’t know if I would go as far to say that it’s actually “potential”…or I should rather say I don’t know if his ceiling is as high as some of you Team Foles guys make it out to be. Or make it seem the way you talk about him. IMO, I don’t think it’s as high as I would like. If it was I’d be pulling for him to. And I would infer, that not a lot of GMs and scouts thought so either, as to where he was drafted, or he would have went higher. But there are the Tom Brady’s of the world for case in point. Well actually just one. But the sun does shine…and please don’t include Wilson…his height was the only thing holding him down, as per every scouting report unread pre-draft.

          • Andy124

            “Only Foles fans think looking good in shorts matters.”
            Context is everything.

            When the only thing you have to evaluate in a starting QB competition is those two QBs in shorts, then yes, it matters because it represents 100% of the relevant information at hand. Which, btw, is the same percentage of media attended practices that Vick has completely failed to outplay Foles.

            Once we see practices in pads, that will take precedence… until we get to see them in preseason games when that will take precedence… until we see them in regular season games when that will take precedence.

          • Pennguino

            Only Vick fans keep thinking just wait until…

            Just wait until….A new coach in Atlanta,
            until a new scheme in Atlanta,
            until he gets out of jail,
            until a true QB guru in Reid works with him,
            until a chance to start
            …Welcome to 2010. See I told all of you once he got the right coach and team he would be unstoppable….2nd half of 2010 after the league realized Vick is still vick.
            Oh crap back to …Just wait until next year when he has all of TC to be the starter,
            until he has a true off season,
            until he comes back from preseason injury,
            until he comes back from concussions,
            until 2013,
            until Chippa gets him.
            Wait until OTA’s.
            Wait until TC,
            now
            Wait until pads go on….
            How log will the Vick supporters continue to wait? I assume until he is no longer in the NFL. Then it will be “He was never given a real chance”

          • MV7

            lol

        • MV7
        • aub32

          In fairness it’s kind of to say that some of these reporters don’t have a bias when they predicted that Vicks days were numbered in Philly. Many columns had a good riddance feel to them in my opinion. I think some reporters want Foles to be better. And fans will look at any good result Foles had as great on Foles. Look at what was touted as play of the day. Many fans will see that as Foles made a great deep throw to DJax. The truth is Foles threw a would be pick that the receiver was able to make a great play and save his butt. Yet fans don’t see that. It’s all a matter of perspective.

      • Jerry Goldstein

        The point is that Foles is keeping up with the God-King Vick but the haters still hate on the kid.

        • illadelphia21

          Just like haters still hate on Vick. Stop it son! We’ve had way too many of these arguments on this site already, all the way back to last season. Plus your barking up the wrong tree w/ it!

          • Jerry Goldstein

            But there are tangible things to hate on Vick about like his piss-poor QB play the past 2 1/2 years. Foles was a rookie in a bad situation so I don’t judge him as harshly as a 10 year vet.

            Vick was outplayed last year and it continues to now but you all hear from Vick fans (not Eagles fans) is that Foles blows.

          • illadelphia21

            There’s tangible things to hate on Foles too. Hell there’s tangible things to hate on any QB.
            Please don’t make me side w/ MV7 right now :-) (nothing against you MV7) but you’re going way too hard for Foles right now. Relax man. It’s all good. And it kinda ludicrous to dismiss Eagles fans, on the basis that they are Vick fans. So I hope that wasn’t your intention.

          • MV7

            Well they see my handle on here and totally ignore my other posts about the team. What they fail to realize is that no matter the post, I could be talking the punters and people come at me because of my handle. Do I support Vick? Yes. Do I think he’s better than Foles? Yes. If people want to keep coming at me, bring it cause I don’t give a f whatthey think. IgnoIgnore if u don’t like

          • illadelphia21

            I’ve read a lot of you comments, so I get where your coming from. It just further illustrates how SOME, which seem like a lot on the blog sites BUT NOT EVERY, supporter of Foles can’t support him and let him stand on his own game. They have to try and and tear down Vick to prop up their choice. I don’t like that cause I think when they do that, they are also taking away from their own guy. Plus I’ll always be thankful to Vick for the heart and toughness he brought to this team, while starting. It’s supposed to be the kind of attitude that Philly fans love. But yet SOME are so quick to sh!t on the man.

          • MV7

            I just try to keep it real. I’m only biased, as they call me, because I think that Vick is the best option. I know Vick is better than Foles. Having to deal with people like Tom Goldstein is frustrating though. Nice post though man

          • Andy124

            Tom?

          • Warhound

            You hurt yourself with things like: ” keeping it real”, “take it to the streets”, and “settle it like men”.

          • aub32

            That’s because Foles really didn’t do much to justify bring a starter last year. Foles supporters know this so they are left to tear down Vick. If they had to rely on Foles actual performance, instead projecting and Vick bashing, they’d have to agree that Foles really didn’t do anything.

          • illadelphia21

            I don’t think he did enough either. Yet he did do enough to warrant the QB competition that’s going on now. And Vick did enough to let it happen…if that makes sense. There’s some things I like about Foles. But those things are few and not enough to make me want to crown him. (Wish I had a clip of Dennis Green when he was coaching the Cardinals right now)
            But if Vick comes into this season like he did last season and continues his horrid play, or if he doesn’t put up wins or in a position to win coupled w/ that horrible play…then by all means, lets ride w/ Foles.

          • MV7

            And I’m cool with that too. If Vick gets beat out, then Foles better play lights out because Vick can take over this team (he already has the team now) and he can win. Regardless of what you think, he had a winning record as a starter… and Foles has never won on any level

          • Andy124

            So you researched his win-loss record in highschool where he broke Drew Brees’s state passing records?

          • MV7

            Show me that winning record

          • MV7

          • Andy124

            1) Don’t have to. You’re claiming a losing record in highschool with no proof. Back it up.
            2) He broke TEXAS state records. Pretty unlikely he had a losing records at the highschool level while doing so.
            3) No, not biased at all.

          • MV7

            That’s what I thought. Prop up high school. Show me his college record? And who cares if they broke records in high school…hell or college.

            QBs are supposed to lift the players around him, and no matter how you tear down Vick to prop up Foles, Foles promptly lifted the Eagles to a 1-5 record. I don’t give a damn about him being a rookie and neither should you if he’s as good as you say he is, even though you’ve only seen him play well in the NFL ONE TIME. When did you get the credentials to project someone? NEVER, so you don’t know what you’re talking about.

            At least with Vick, we know he can win and he can lift up the play of his teammates.

            Not one time on here have I said that Vick was perfect. Vick tries to do to much, its that simple to me. 2010 there was no happy feet or bad decision making and at the time he hadn’t started a game since 2006. At least us 4 pro-vick people (probably less on here) have a leg to stand on, at least Vick has won games WHICH IS THE MOST IMPORTANT THING. I don’t care how good a QB looks in shorts.

            You people look like clowns hyping this dude up for performances in shorts. We’ll see when they put the pads on and there is a first down that’s needed..and Foles becomes a statue while #7 can get that touchdown, first down, and get down as Chippah says..he needs to work on that get down part and he don’t have to slide. The Great Randall Cunningham never slid feet first and I wouldn’t either.

          • Andy124

            Dude, you’re changing the subject, the standard tactic of someone who’s been busted. You’re the one making a claim that Foles never won on any level. You prove it. If you can’t prove it, don’t keep repeating the same unsupportable claim.

          • Warhound

            Did the QB slide rule exist for Randall?

          • illadelphia21

            Andy come on. I know he said on any level, but lets just chalk that up to hyperbole. If we gotta go back to highschool for Foles then that’s not helping the case for him.

          • Andy124

            I don’t typically call anybody out for hyperbole… unless they repeat it. He’s made that unsupportable claim multiple times. Obviously, I let it slide as hyperbole until he kept saying it as if it were a fact.

            I also think he had a winning record in his first year, and maybe his second year at Arizona. Arizona had a winning record in 2009 and 2010 when he was QB, but I’m far too lazy to confirm which games he started and finished during those seasons.

            And this is an appropriate time to repeat that using win-loss record as a way to evaluate a quarterback is a very efficient way to lose credibility.

          • illadelphia21

            Ok. Gotcha now. Solid points.

          • Pennguino

            “That’s because Foles really didn’t do much to justify bring a starter last year. Foles supporters know this so they are left to tear down Vick.”

            Why don’t you let Foles supporters think what they want to think. Just because you didn’t see it the same way as others doesn’t mean you are right.

            Foles actual performance wasn’t that bad when you consider the environment he was in. The kid could have folded under the constant pressure and hits. He didn’t. He stood in there, took his shots and improved week after week.

            NO. They don’t have to agree that Foles really didn’t do anything. They are supporters because they saw it differently than you.

            So don’t think you can tell what other people see or feel. You might need to tone it down a little.

        • MV7

          God-King Vick? This whole thread is pro-foles.

    • MV7

      Nick “Great in Shorts” Foles

      Let’s put the pads on baby

      • Jerry Goldstein

        Yeah cuz the pads will help Vick how? Make him faster?

        • MV7

          We shall see Jerry

      • Stephen Stempo

        Mike “56% completion percentage” vick

        • MV7

          Mike 60% completion percentage with Eagles” Vick

  • Weapon Y

    Who’s more annoying: the ESPN guys who roll their eyes when they hear Kelly is making Vick compete for the starting job and lecture us about how Chip Kelly’s ideas won’t work in the pros, or the Philly reporters (obviously not Sheil and Tim) who prematurely anoint Nick Foles as the next Tom Brady?

    • Andy124

      I would say the former since the latter doesn’t exist.

    • PhillyDon

      I agree about ESPN and other national NFL reporters but I’ve read and watched just about everything from the Philly media and not once hear them say Foles is the next Brady. If they said anything it was that he is a Brady type QB who stays in the pocket and can get rid of the ball quickly.

  • Dominik

    “The team announced after practice that they have signed 29-year-old receiver Dave Ball,
    who played for Kelly at the University of New Hampshire. Ball has
    bounced around since leaving UNH, most recently playing in Southern
    Indoor Football League.”

    WTF? I mean come on, why is a 29 year old Southern Indoor Football League player at the Eagles roster which is filled with talented WR (not good WR, but talented)?
    Don’t want to criticise Kelly and Roseman here, but the last two signings (the other one being the RB they already released again) weren’t as good as previous moves in this offseason.

    Look at his stations:

    Chicago Bears (2007)*
    New York Jets (2007-2008)
    Montreal Alouettes (2008)*
    Hamilton Tiger-Cats (2009–2010)
    Winnipeg Blue Bombers (2010)*
    Hamilton Tiger-Cats (2010)*
    Pittsburgh Power (2011)
    Erie Explosion (2011)
    Philadelphia Eagles (2013-present)

    Why do you even bring the guy in? Takes snaps away from all the other Wideouts.

    • Andy124

      Because he played for Chip at New Hampshire and the roster was at 89. They needed another body.

      • Weapon Y

        With the Maclin’s season over, a scout team guy is going to get some more looks. They need somebody to take those reps. The roster is back at 89.

        • Andy124

          Yup. It’ll be interesting to see who they bring in. I’m guessing it’ll be somebody big for their position.

          • illadelphia21

            Hopefully. I would want a guy like Cunningham (B.J.) just w/ more speed and able to get YAC.

      • Dominik

        I get that, but couldn’t you sign a body that has at least a minimal chance of being an NFL caliber player? Sorry, this signing is just ridiculous in my opinion.

        • GoBirds1

          When you breakon of Jerry Rice’s 1-AA RECORDS you can comment.until then STFU

  • Andy124

    Jeebus, this place has read like philly.com comments section the last 2 days.

    • http://www.philthycanuck.com/ Adam

      Sad times.

      • Dutch

        Dissenting options is good and expected, the problem is the personal attacks that those dissenting options often inspire. If you respect the forum and the authors of the forum you rise above retaliation and move on to more civil dialogue.

    • MV7

      It’s not that bad yet, not even close. I don’t even go to the comments there.

  • Mr. Wu

    Just watched a Sopoagua interview. I love the guy but he always sounds like he just smoked a pound of weed.

    • MV7

      Nothing wrong with that

    • Pennguino

      He sounds like an Islander. Good people here.

  • Damien

    Foles looks great.

  • Andy124

    Side note: Reporters say both QBs looking good. This seems to be relative to other TCs with similar, no-pads conditions. Does that mean the D is looking bad?

    I think it does.

    • Dutch

      Receivers in team activities can not run routes against defenders until Training Camp officially begins. That is a condition of the CBA. The Reporters who authored those reports surprising didn’t relay that information. They conveniently omitted that detail which didn’t fit into their narrative.

      Players can be on the field for drills with individual instruction but there can be no offense-vs.-defense drills.

      • Septhinox

        There can’t be 1 vs. 1 drills. That’s why they were doing 2 vs. 3 drills in the spring and otas.

        • Dutch

          Camp started officially Thursday, prior no offensive personnel were allowed to go against any defensive personnel at team activities.

          So the months of reports by the Phila sportswriters on how good Foles looked at OTAs where minus Foles or Vick throwing to receivers covered by defensive personnel

          • MV7

            Dutch be killing’em man lol. I’m not taking sides. Comments are on point..and funny

          • Dutch

            Dutch watches the speculation and wild opinions fester and when it’s time brings in small morsels of information relevant to the topic discussed.

            How is it possible a NFL QB throwing to uncovered receiver not look accurate? How is that different than playing catch with your grandson and, or nephew in Fairmount Park?

            Why would the reporters, crack as they believe they are not tell their reading audience “oh by the way the CBA doesn’t allow drills before camp officially begins where defenders are covering receivers”?

            What kind of competition exist between QBs when there are no defenders to contest their throws to targets?

          • Pennguino

            There are fly swatters contesting every throw.

            Jokes aside, it is still a meaningful rep for each QB. WR’s are still running routes. It is still up tot he QB to hit them in stride and ball placement. Maybe the people who actually watched the OTA’s saw that Foles was a little sharper his his accuracy by hitting the receivers in stride.

            So in the context of WR vs. air Foles looked a touch better in their eyes.

          • Septhinox

            Except that’s wrong.

            Article 21, Section 2(b)(iii) Regarding Phase 3 of OTAs and Minicamps says the following:

            “No one-on-one offense vs. defense drills are permitted (i.e., no offensive linemen vs. defensive linemen pass rush or pass protection drills, no wide receivers vs. defensive backs bump-and-run drills, and no one-on-one special teams drills involving
            both offense and defense are permitted). Special teams drills (e.g., kicking team vs. return team) are permitted, provided no live contact occurs. Team offense vs. team defense drills, including all drills listed in Appendix G to this Agreement, are permitted, provided no live contact occurs.”

            Like I said, they were doing 2 vs. 3 drills and team O vs. D. drills this summer. If they were playing against no defense at all, how would Shiel, Tim and other reporters be able to say X player on defense looks good or not?

            Even with the QB comp, reporters would have said if there was no defense.

            Edit: And here is what Appendix G says if you wondered.

            “7-on-7, 9-on-7 and l 1-on-11 drills will be permitted, providing no live contact takes place.”

            Link?

            https://www.nflplayers.com/about-us/CBA-Download/

          • nicksaenz1

            You could just throw in the fact that you can’t have interceptions in camp without coverage.

  • http://www.philthycanuck.com/ Adam

    This place went downhill fast. Yikes.

  • xlGmanlx

    Funny thing is, AP just RUSHED for more yards than 7′s career average, but he can get it done according to his #1 fan.

  • Damien

    Got to go to TC yesterday. Some things I noticed:

    QB: Foles is clearly the best QB out there, however Vick played decent today. Foles’ deep throw is much more accurate than Vick. Barkley looks like a rookie.
    RB: Shady looks a little lazy, but is producing and is in great shape. Bryce looks like he’s bigger and faster and his work ethic is crazy. Polk has a slight edge on Felix for RB3.
    WR: Desean looks pretty good and hella consistent. Avant had some circus catches. Momah looks inconsistent. Cooper dropped 3 passes.
    TE: Ertz is gonna be good. Celek has been quiet. Casey has great hands.
    OL: Peters is SO back. He is godly out there (drove Kruger 15 yards and pushed Cole to the ground). The rest of the starting oline looks very good. Bamiro, Tobin, and Watkins stand out as the best backup. Dallas Reynolds looks good too.
    DL: Hunt, Geathers, Thorton, Cox, and Logan look good. Sopoaga has been quite quiet though. Curry was okay (still adjusting).
    LB: Cole looked good in pass rush, but can’t cover. Barwin had a couple great and a couple awful coverage plays. Graham is in the same boat as Cole, however a little better. Ryans and Kendrich look good.
    CB: Marsh and Fletcher look great and could both start imo. Boykin looks consistent and Poyer looks good. Lindley made some nice plays.
    S: Nate Allen looks pretty good. Cole Anderson’s footwork is outstanding and he looks very good. Wolfe looks pretty good for a rookie as well.
    P: Donnie Jones all the way, however it’s closer than one might think.

  • MV7

    Good for Foles

  • MV7

    Getting bailed out by WRs isn’t being more accurate

  • Johnny Domino

    Can you move either of them for just picks this year with the D already shorthanded, and do you devalue them in trades later by playing them out of position?

  • nicksaenz1

    Which video showed the LBs? Was trying to find it and couldn’t.

  • Juice

    And Ertz bailed out Vick on 2 passes. One that was low and another well behind him on a crossing route.
    Newsflash” Its the WRs job to bail out the QB.
    But that still doesn’t negate Vick’s “bad decision” Int, or that fact that he’s the slowest of the 3 to get the O lined up to run a play.

  • NaBrown85

    Exactly. What extensive video did you watch to come to this conclusion about his cover skills? All I’ve seen is the tiny amount of footage PE.com puts out.

  • JofreyRice

    It was just the general practice recap, really only about 20 seconds at most. His movement looked choppy. Still early, but it’s a hell of a tall order to get a guy that wins with technique, strength & tenacity to be some kind of finesse athlete.

  • JofreyRice

    I GET THE COACHES TAPE BEAMED INTO MY BRAIN.

  • Gary

    I know, the idea of Vick sliding is pretty ridiculous.

  • MV7

    Nope, wrong again. The thought of Foles taking 5 minutes to run 10 yards is hilarious

  • Jerry Goldstein

    The thought of you not slobbing on Vick’s dong is unrealistic.

  • MV7

    Quit slobbing on mine right now

  • Jerry Goldstein

    Huh, oh I thought I was chewing on a pencil. My b cuh

  • MV7

    Keep it up. You must have knawed it down. You’re a natural

  • MV7

    Be sure to clean up your chin when you’re done

  • Jerry Goldstein

    Nah that probably happened from going in dry on your life-size Vick doll.

  • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

    Play nice Boys.

  • MV7

    That female came at me. I’m not taking any sh!t

  • Jerry Goldstein

    Tell it to your therapist crybaby! haha

  • MV7

    Tell me about the one you already visit.

  • Force Recon

    When you have to rely on your WR to keep bailing you out it makes for a long season. The jackass reporters can say that arm strength doesn’t matter in the NFL, but in reality it is a very important component of Quarterbacking. Vick starts Foles or Barkley (maybe both) get traded.

  • http://www.philthycanuck.com/ Adam

    You haven’t heard Nick Foles was the majority stakeholder of most of the the daily newspapers in the region? He uses his minions to drive his biased agenda so that he can be the starting QB the Eagles even when there’s no way he’s good enough.

  • MV7

    No fights from me sir. I prefer not to

  • Dutch

    It’s unfair to associate Foles with the product that is the local phila sports industry. This is traditional in the region. They have long conspired to hammer an issue or individual to build support from the community for their chain of thought. This isn’t Foles fault. McNabb faced the same and similar consequences with the local media. There is a list of certain athletes who rose above the local media and was sought for their opinions by national publications and outles on a variety of issues that the Phila sportswriters resented. My issue with Vick is he has a chance to have a bigger impact on the national stage but he appears to be trying to hard to please the local pundits.

  • MV7

    Yep I agree, but I’m glad that they will put on the pads and compete. When it’s time to make a big play, and that’s what QBs do in the NFL, MAKE plays…and Foles has made nothing except for one game against the worst defense in the league. I recall Vick making 4 game winning drives to take the lead int the 4th, only to have the defense cough it up? Nnamdi, Allen, the other corner..roasted. We all was on the train. I hated the “dynasty” comments too, but you think that the organization didn’t set that tone? “All in” is what they said I think, and we ALL KNEW, you can’t buy a SB. But who gets the blame? The QB. Vick..McNabb..when all they did was give their bodies to the city. If Foles wins the job. Just win. The thing is, Vick’s presence will loom and he will play. Sit down, shut up and get ready