Splendiferous Interiors: Chestnut Hill Home Goes From “Grey Gardens” Shell to Bright Showpiece

This house is now a home–but it certainly didn’t start out that way. When a young real estate developer saw the hulking shell that Philly Mag’s Emily Goulet describes as “a Grey Gardens-esque display of faded splendor,” he knew he could do something with it–and he renovated it in six months.

Once the infrastructure work was done, he and his wife called on the assistance of interior designer Mona Ross-Berman, who they’d contracted with as soon as they bought the house. The result, says Goulet is “a bright, uncluttered home that is equal parts sophisticated and family-friendly.”

Here, ornate dentil moldings easily hold court with shiny lacquered surfaces, iconic Mid-Century Modern pieces make perfect sense amongst more classic items, and a could-be-stuffy front parlor doubles as a racetrack for serious scooter derbies.”

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All photos by Jeffrey Totaro for Philadelphia Magazine.

Philadelphia Home: The New Modern Family Home in Chestnut Hill [Philly Mag]

  • GEagle

    What I’m about to say is not an exaggeration, I am being literal: In the first two days of Cheifs TC, Andy Reid didn’t call a single run play!!! Shady must be laughing at Jamaal Charles

    • Dominik

      Could just be: get the passing game going, which was a disaster, the run wasn’t as big of a problem last year. Next thing is: Alex Smith is a new QB, Charles a veteran RB with the team.

      • http://www.philthycanuck.com/ Adam

        It could be. But it also very well could be Andy just being Andy.

      • GEagle

        I have been waiting for a run game for 14 years, but If I read that Chip hasn’t ran a single pass play in two entire practices, I would not be happy. Eerything in life requires Balance. I’m not a fan of extremes…

        Andy isn’t in the NFC. That man gave his soul to the team I love. Didn’t abandon his responsibilities not even for a moment when he tragically lost his son…I don’t wish failure on Andy. I Genuinly am rooting for the man…but If I’m being honest I have a feeling it’s not going to go well in KC. Hope I’m wrong, but Alex Smith seems to me like the anti Andy QB. Alex just recently started to thrive, but his offenses relied heavily on a run game…this is the same Andy who had guys like Foles, Kolb, and Vick throw the ball 40 times a game…IMO, the only way Andy can find success, is if he is truly committed to allowing Nevada offense, to influence his…

        • Andy124

          I actually have a really good feeling about the Smith/Reid offense. Call it a hunch.

          • GEagle

            I Genuinly want to see that man succeed…I almost hate Jeffry Lurie for what Andy had to endured from us fans at the end…but I can’t really blame us, because after 14years, what choice did Lurie really give us? we were Hopeless, desperate for change that should have come years sooner…If we didn’t treat Andy so poorly, there is a real chance Andy would still have a job today.
            Lurie left us No choice but to Roast Andy for an entire season, and I hate Lurie for that. cord should have been pulled earlier, not just for us, but for Andy as well.

            Andy has a talent roster, and I honestly wish him nothing but the best, and plenty of success, accept when he plays us..but I don’t know how much confident I am. it’s up to Andy. Evolve, and he has a chance to succeed..lMake Alex smith throw the ball 40 times, and he will fall flat on his face!!! Alex isn’t a bad QB if you play to his strengths(which at times was a weakness for Andy).

        • Explorer51

          I really liked AR for his first few years but, man, he just stalled…and it caused all the things that ended up driving people crazy. We all know the drill…atrocious time management, repetitive play calling, abandoning the run because of matchups that only he saw, etc. etc. Yes, he took us to the playoffs and the SB but we never dominated (except for most of 2004).

          I won’t be surprised if KC looks pretty good for two or three seasons but, unfortunately for Chiefs fans, his stubbornness and unwillingness to learn and adapt will prevail.

  • Brent E. Sulecki

    excellent read Sheil. very informative. I will be looking for Harris at training camp on sunday and see what advice he can offer me. Hope JMac gets his deal done. mike Williams stats…g-48 rec-193 trg-379 yrds-2731 y/g-56.9 avg-14.2 lng-65 yac-4.9 1d-129 TDS-23…compared to Maclins…g-59 rec-257 trg-423 yrds-3442 y/g-58.3 avg-13.4 lng-83 yac-4.2 1d-158 TDS-26 …Also mac has 200+ yards in returns as well. the difference between him and Mike Williams(TB) Is that Williams make tough catches in traffic and JMac misses those kinds of plays mostly..stay healthy and ball out. he deserves a contract but he needs to get better. 25yr old WR who at times outplayed DJack. hes handled himself very well his entire career and look forward to a big season from him…HIS BEST SEASON YET…

    • Brent E. Sulecki

      Williams also has 3yrs played compared to Macs 4…Williams is tough tho. something im not sure Jmac has right now

      • Warhound

        Many of us are sure: he does not!

      • G_WallyHunter

        oh didn’t notice the year difference tho damn

    • G_WallyHunter

      Nice comparison between those two, never knew they were so close.

      • Brent E. Sulecki

        thanks. yeah Williams has definitely impressed based on when he was drafted. still think Mac offers you more as a player.

        • G_WallyHunter

          Yea I’ve like MW a lot the past couple years, he’s impressed as a #2, had him last year he had a few big games for me…(I think he was even their #1 the year before VJax came)… just never knew he was that close to Mac in numbers because Mac is always clouded by all the criticism… plus he has an extra year too which is significant, a whole extra 33.3% than MW…

        • djack10

          I think Mac will do really well in this scheme. He’ll get open on his routes. I don’t think he was ever used well in Reid’s scheme and is a better player than he seems.

  • http://www.philthycanuck.com/ Adam

    The piece on Chip Kelly in the almanac is very fascinating. Chip goes out of his way to make sure he doesn’t develop any personal relationships with his staff. It’s all business and nothing else. But with his players he’s a got a big soft spot and develops close bonds with him. He’s got quite the disdain for the media. It will be interesting to see how he deals with them if he starts the season off sluggish.

    • G_WallyHunter

      I can’t wait to see him with media, his pressers will probably be making sportscentre a lot that’s for sure lol… and NFL network… gonna be reallly funny. Hopefully he is dealing with them while winning and not, as you said, while losing

  • GEagle

    The legend of Vick is a real Dynamic. it can’t be ignored…However, the Legend of Mike Vick was not strong enough from keeping starters from wanting him benched at a certain point last year. the Legend is real, but it’s always overcome by results. if Nick is getting the ball in Deseans hands in stride so he can make a big play, and Vick ISN’T…the Legend dynamic will go away very quickly!!
    .,.
    However, my concern is that Vick would have to play and fall on his face for the Legend dynamic to disappear…If you give Foles the starting job, and keep Vick on the roster, and the team isn’t putting up 30 points a game, the LEGEND dynamic can become a PROBLEM!!!

    • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

      “.However, the Legend of Mike Vick was not strong enough from keeping
      starters from wanting him benched at a certain point last year.”

      And then they promptly went 1-5

      The grass is always greener.

      ‘TIll it’s not.

      • Token

        But but the Oline was really bad and Foles didnt have DeSean and and and the playcalling was bad and and it wasnt ideal weather conditions in those games.

      • GEagle

        But….the starters rallied around Foles didn’t they? do you not remember Maclin and Desean GUSHING OVER THE ABILITY OF NICK FOLES? Or do you suffer from Convenient amnesia?

        • MV7

          Why wouldn’t they “gush”? They’re teammates.
          GEagle, you may need to go sit down somewhere and have you a cigarette or something. You’re getting destroyed on here lol

          • GEagle

            CHild pLEASE!!!! I hold my own!

          • MV7

            LOL I guess my eyes are sprained then

          • GEagle

            That was weak…now You are trying to hard. Go home, take a nap, reload, and come back latter and you can try again

          • MV7

            I have no need for comebacks. You should have already logged off 10 minutes ago

          • GEagle

            Yeah, but Im getting paid to do this hahaha

          • MV7

            Nice job you have then.

          • MV7

            Too bad that you do a terrible job at it

          • GEagle

            Agreed!!

          • disqus_AJSAhteg45

            Stinky n1gg3r

          • Capt. Undapants

            A lot of things get spewed on this wall, but nothing so inappropriate, hurtful, or disgusting as this comment. After it is removed, I hope you are banned from this site. I also hope you learn some manners and decency.

    • Brian

      If you give Foles the starting job, and keep Vick on the roster, and the team isn’t putting up 30 points a game, the LEGEND dynamic can become a PROBLEM!!!

      Only if we’re giving up 31. Just win baby. Numbers don’t mean Sht if we’re winning.

  • Roasty

    Training camp hasn’t even hit full swing and we are getting 4 new articles before noon. Gotta love this site

  • MV7

    All Vick needs to do is stop trying to do too much and he will win this job with ease, and I mean with ease.
    Mike Vick = Comeback Player of the Year (Again)

    • GEagle

      There is an edit button…I think you meant “UNEMPLOYED Man of the year”

      • MV7

        I bet you’ll be watching!! LOL

        • GEagle

          11th row in the ENDZONE…YOU BET RIGHT!!! But I BET, Vick will ALSO BE WATCHING!!!

          • MV7

            You’re right. He’ll be lined up under center. Best view in the house except for my living room

          • disqus_AJSAhteg45

            Crack sales really fetch a nice TV these days.

      • harrynapes

        Dude you are trolling like no other. You post a down to earth comment above stating that “at the end of the day, I’ll support who’s ever starting as long as long they are successful”, and then you post some nonsense here. No one takes you seriously and this is why.

        And I actually agree with your above statement. Whether Foles or Vick or Barkley, I just want them to be successful.

        Stop being a clown and grow up.

        • GEagle

          Can you not decipher serious comments, from Jokes??..and BTW, WHO I THINK WILL WIN the starting Job, is very Different from Rooting for whoever wins! Those two things don’t have to be mutual exclusive

        • MV7

          POW!!!!!!!!

        • PhEaglesPhan

          You could not have said it better, this kat is like a yo-yo, he don;t know what the f@*k he want!

    • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

      Well I think he’ll stop trying to do to much when he isn’t running for his life every down. Last years o-line was HORRIBLE. There was no winning there. For anyone.

      Traditionally Vick’s decision making can be problematic…but he also can dig himself out of those holes as well. High risk. high reward. (Think Farve)

      With that said I think Kelly’s offenses minimizes the need to “doing too much” IF Vick buys in (completely) the job is likely his.

    • Scott J610

      Were you watching the Eagles the last two years?

      • MV7

        Damn right. Every game, several times over. Seems like you never watched any at all

  • Justin

    I don’t care who wins the QB job, as long as this team plays with heart again.

    • GEagle

      We all have our favorites but in the end that’s what it really comes down to. I practically STARTED Team Foles, because that’s who I Genuinly believe will win the job, but at the end of the day, all these players are just renting jerseys, and when real Bullets start to Fly, I’m going to root like a maniac for whoever wins the starting Job….and no matter how much we make it Foles vs. Vick, I think most people will feel this way when the real games start.
      ..
      We Genuinly hit Rock bottom last year, so the most important thing to fix is the culture. Philadelphia Eagles played with a lot of HEART and as unitedd brothers for many years…as long as we get back to that type of Ball, I can live with whatever decisions or results this year

      • MV7

        If only you meant that

  • MV7

    2010 was the most fun I ever had watching football. Vick took over this game llike he was LeBron James. Foles can never in his life come close to a performance like this

    • Token

      its 2013 now. Eagles fans love living in the past. Even tho theres no reason to. At the end year it ended with a awful Vick mistake.

      • MV7

        Well talk to Tim McManus. He’s the one who wrote the article

      • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

        Or 2 missed field goals by Akers.

        • MV7

          Vick had them beat if Akers made those chip shot FGs SMH

          • GEagle

            Yeah, and the Eagles would have been 5-0 last year if Vick wasn’t playing for the other team for the first 3 quarters!!! So what’s th point? 2012 is a better barometer than 2010 THE ANOMOLY SEAON!

          • Token

            of course he did.

  • birds are back baby

    how could I forget the legend of Mike Vick…lets see…dogs, fumbles, injuries, can’t read a defense, can’t get rid of the ball when someone is blitzing him………….almost right up there with the legends of Manning and Brady……

  • Scott J610

    It’s time for the legend to ride off into the sunset.

    • MV7

      I think he’ll be riding to the stadium to be the Starting QB for the Eagles

      • GEagle

        Hahahahah I love this guy!!! Ducth gets on my nerves…But you make me laugh. You have made a fan out of me!

      • Scott J610

        Maybe, but he won’t be leading us to the Super Bowl.

        • MV7

          Since you know what’s going to happen in the future, am I going to win the lottery?

          • GEagle

            NO! There!!! You got two big questioned answered tOday just by visiting this site…now run along. Nothing left to see! Lol

          • Scott J610

            No, you won’t win the lottery. You will wake up in a pool of vomit like you do every morning.

          • Andy124

            C’mon man.

          • MV7

            Oh thank you!! Mighty Scott J610!!

          • Scott J610

            You’re welcome.

          • MV7

            Maybe you might actually watch some games this year. Can you see that in your future??
            NOPE

          • Scott J610

            What are you, 13 years old? Is there an age limit on this site?

          • MV7

            Sir you said you could read the future

  • http://www.philthycanuck.com/ Adam

    Chip will pick the best man now. He doesn’t care what happened last year, or how what the guys previous record was, or how long he’s started. He’ll pick the guy that has the best accuracy, doesn’t turn the ball over, and gets the ball out quickly. He’ll pick the guy with the better football IQ and the better decision making skills.

    And that’s simply not Mike Vick.

    • ReggieKush

      Mike Vick will be back ballin’ this year.

    • GEagle

      Change your picture Adam..haven’t you heard? Kendrick’s has now become just a Nickle LB who will be traded!!!

    • MV7

      Ok Coach Adam

      • Nicholas Disilvestro

        you’re really ignorant

  • Andy124

    Can we change the title of the article to:

    “Eagles fans Against the Legend of Michael Vick”?

    • GEagle

      No, cause unfortunately too many fans still get their ears pissed in, and whip out there umbrella!!!

  • Scott J610

    Mark Sanchez has won more post season games than Vick.

    • GEagle

      hahahahahahah YOU JUST SHUT this thread DOWN!!! Nothing left to be said!!!

      • MV7

        ZZZZZZZ

    • MV7

      He’s the best QB at handing the ball off and getting all the credit that I’ve ever seen

      • GEagle

        Vick can’t even do that right? Or did you not count all the fumbled slaps in oTAs?

        • MV7

          You were there? How do you get access to practices so quickly?

          • GEagle

            I was at two of them!!!!

          • MV7

            I guess when you were tripping on acid you actually thought you were at practice

          • GEagle

            Suit yourself

          • MV7

            Thanks for letting us know the truth

          • GEagle

            Anytime…my mistake, must have been dreaming

          • MV7

            Are you the one that is voting down on every single one of my posts? What a troll

          • GEagle

            Seriously, I have never down voted a single comment on any site!!!! Do I look like a lil bitch who goes around down voting people without even commenting? My oppinions are KNOWN!!! And I damn sure don’t hold my tongue, so If I don’t agree with what you said, there will be a rebuttal under your post with my name on it explaining it, not acting like a PUSSY CAT down voting people annonymously..I vote comments UP, but NEVER Down Vote!

          • MV7

            Aight cool. Way to man up

          • MAC

            Your only allowed one down vote per profile. So looks like many disagree

          • MV7

            I couldn’t care less

  • GiveMeABreak

    Given the status of our secondary and linebackers (and even some spots on the d-line), I can’t see the outcome of the QB process being all that important. When you look at their relative strengths and weaknesses, they are much of a muchness. We are really fighting Dallas for who has the worst QB in the division (assuming RGIII can play). Meanwhile, we are apparently a lock to have a bad defense.

    • GEagle

      Who is the lock to have a good defense?

      • MV7

        Skins

        • GEagle

          Wuld you trade our entire defense for theirs?

          • MV7

            Not necessarily

          • GEagle

            I damn Sure wouldn’t,..young players, with better coaching, and schemes that better fit there talents, THEY IMPROVE!!!! dkins can have their 60yr old middle LB

          • MV7

            Easy now, alot of the fan base wanted him signed last year

          • GEagle

            Fans thought they were competing for a SB last year..

          • Mr. Wu

            And?

          • cliff henny

            great that rg3 isnt playing any PS games, he’s going to be rusty that first game. davis is going to create some blitze packages that’ll make labeau proud. think we might be able to steal that game

          • GEagle

            YES SIR…I already went on record with that proclamation!!! Eagles start season 1-0…. happy to have you on board the 1-0 train cLiff!!, ALL ABOARD THE STEAMROLL THE REDSKINS EXPRESS!!!!!

            We gotta jump on him and take advantage of the rust

          • nicksaenz1

            I hope you’re right about that.

          • aub32

            I wouldn’t speak poorly of LF if I were you.

    • cliff henny

      think about the saints defense when they won SB, it sucked, but had a ton of impact plays. hopefully that’s what we’ll get. have an offense that is threat to put 21 up in 5 mins at any point in game, that’ll force teams into being more agressive than normal. if teams can grind it out with us, hold offense down, we’re screwed.

      • MV7

        A defense has to be able to take the ball away and we were one of the worst in the league. There is no such thing as a great defense anymore because of the rule changes.

        • cliff henny

          think switching defenses should really help. able to deguise more now. see more free runs at qbs cause fumbles or easy ints. defense just got way to predictable, see like a theme with reid, last yr

          • MV7

            Sure that’s true. Still have to make it happen on the field. If they do, we will win if Vick is QBing (he will be)

      • GiveMeABreak

        True, but you need impact players to make impact plays and we just don’t have a lot of them on defense. Also, Gregg W ran a good defense (now we know why although I thought it was apparent during the season) and we have a question mark for our DC. Finally, I am not sure any of our QBs are going to be like Drew Brees. Maybe Chip is the equal of Sean P but only time will tell. We do know that Sean has Mickey Loomis and our front office can’t hold a candle to him. So, no matter how good Chip is, he’ll have a deficit against great coaches with better organizations like Giants, Steelers, Aints, 49ers, Packers, Ravens, etc…

  • cliff henny

    anyone else been watching ESPN coverage of other team’s practices? after watching kelly’s, they look like they’re moving in slow motion. feel like our speed is going to overwhelm teams early on. really makes me want to see what kelly can do with vick. just too many possibilities, i got to see it.

    • MV7

      You and the rest of the country wants to see this too

      • GEagle

        We are all dying with anticipation

        • MV7

          Yep, that’s why you’re on here

      • cliff henny

        rest of country just wants to be entertained, i want eagles to win too. big difference.

  • Kevin Powell

    In the end, every player cares about getting the win on the field. Off the field they will still look up to Mike and his legend.

  • MV7
  • JBrooks

    Lots of comments without anyone offering up any positive thoughts about each candidate. At the end of the day I would just like to see some wins (ideally more than 4 ><)

    The 2010 Mike Vick could return in this offense that Coach Kelly is putting together and man did I love watching Vick during that span. The past 2 seasons have been hard to watch and Philly needed a change, enter Chip Kelly. Would I love to see Vick play top quality football again, absolutely, but his age and playing style are something to keep in mind. Will he be here next season? 2 seasons from now?

    Foles played great all things considered. Anyone that says he did not have a really tough situation needs to re-evaluate. A rookie playing arguably the toughest position in football with less key players, no defense and the team already had this losing season mentality around them when he started. There seemed to be no one actually playing with anything to prove but him. He had rookie mistakes for sure but, from what Coach Kelly says, a quick-decision accurate quarterback will be great in his offense. Foles fits both of those criteria better than Vick. Can he run, no. Is that a quality the QB has to have in Kelly's system, not according to him.

    I think taking a new offensive scheme with a younger quarterback that could end up being our signal caller for 6+ years sounds like music to my ears. I am a big Vick fan but I think Foles can be the guy. I am just happy football is back and can't wait to watch our new look Eagles!

    GO BIRDS!

  • morgan c

    Vick sucks.

  • Andy

    Cox will be fine.

  • GEagle

    Lol Considering they aren’t even sure yet how they will use him during the season, I think it’s kinda hard to talk about if he is being used right lol

    • cliff henny

      out of my worry list on defense, cox is about 498th.

  • JofreyRice

    No

  • What Would Saracen Do?

    I have some questions about a couple of the provided quotes:

    1) “especially with Jason Avant now manning the slot” – as opposed to the rest of his career when he was manning the slot?

    2) “There is a severe lack of talent” – an argument can be made for that on defense since our most talented defenders have made their living in a 4-3 instead of a 3-4, so there will be some questions as to how they transition. However, I think that our offense still has some very talented pieces (e.g. McCoy, DeSean).

    • GEagle

      I don’t know how anyone thinks they can look at a roster that’s counting on so many rookies and second year players and pretend to know how much or how little talent it has…

      Our defense has a guy who is talented enough to man the interior of a top ranked niners defense for 30% of their defensive snaps. Goes ask Navaro Bowman, and Patrick Willis how bad soap is lol
      ..
      our defense also got a very important young glue piece, from a top ranked defense and playoff team who played a very important position for the Texans. BARWIN basically in two years proved to be able to do anything you could ever ask of an outside LB
      ..
      Cary Williams is quickly becoming one of my favorite eagles. Why? because finally we have a guy who is confident enough, and enough of a jerk to have that I don’t give a crap attitude necessary to play CB in this city…You aren’t forcing Cary Williams to go eat lunch in his car, I can promise you that. I still don’t understand why everyone judges him from his regular season instead of his playoff run, which is the most recent and most important position he was placed in. The dude basically only played two years of NFL CB so far. Injuries piled up, so he started playing in 2011, he played again in 2012….so when talking about an inexperienced guy, why the hell aren’t we putting the most emphasis in his MOST RECENT game tape when trying to judge the player Wenare getting? and the most recent Cary game tape says a lot of top corners underestimated him like the fans and media are doing. Top playoff QBs thought he was sweet and made it a point to try and pick on Cary…Those top QBs all went home without a ring while Cary cashed in and got paid!!!
      ..
      CB,OLB,NT are 3 of the most important positions on defense, and we just aquired young players. Who’s Charecter and mental make up we desperately needed on this defense
      ..
      we have a young man(Graham) who struggled early with injuries, first chance he got some continuity, he made the most out of his snaps better than any other DE in football, and he managed to accomplish that on a pathetic defense. he isn’t some Finess pass rusher. He is a bullrusher, who puts his helmet on your chest, uses leverage to drive OTs into the backfield, if anyone thinks doing that is a disadvantage at OLB, then you are in for a pleasant surprise. Nothing disadvantageous about giving a bullrusher an extra step or two of a head start before he gets to the Olineman.

      we have a guy, who are intelligent media wrote off as DEAD on this team, yet came out and played the best game of any Eagle last week. whether Curry ever develops onto a great run stuffer, he at the very least has a chance into developing into a TALENTED, situational pass rusher, which is always valuable to have.

      we then have a LB in Meco who Texans teammates all voiced there displeasure about losing. we all doubted him this time last year, and he had one of the best LB seasons in Phillys past 15 years..Only Carlos Emmons and Trotter could ever even compete with the year Demeco had it last year, 1st year on a new team, 2nd season coming off an Achilles injury..

      Doubt anyone thinks Cox and Kendrick’s don’t have Talent, people are just dumb and impatient and don’t factor in the human element and don’t give young guys a chance to grow before they judge.

      man, that’s a nice little foundation for a front 7, if people would give them a chance to gel and develope as a unit. Playmakers need to emerge for us to ever take that next step..and we still lack depth, and have a secondary to rebuild…But the margin between winning and losing in this league is so small, that it’s rare that I look at a team and say they don’t have talent…Teams have Talent, the problem is usually coaching and Charecter or compatibility that keeps the talent from producing….Maybe I’m a Homer, but I have a very hard time saying we have talent problems like the Jaguars or Raiders….For me, our talent level is around the TB bucaneers, they just look better than us because they were cultivating it in a healthy environment

      • cliff henny

        damn man, you can spin it better than Elway! i’m sold

        • GEagle

          We still have to be patient….My outlook on the defense, is I’m spending the first half of the season just looking at how much we are improving, how many mistakes are we correcting…and After the bye week, that’s when I’m going to really start to judge what we have…

          I don’t know that we have the answers…I just know that the naysayers don’t know ish either…So until proven otherwise, and having the proper amount of time to even Fail, I prefer optimism…I waited like 5 years to get rid of Andy, I will be damned if I act negative before the sky actually falls!

          • cliff henny

            i get fustrated when people say the d stinks, then compare it to jj. guys been gone 4 yrs, alot has happened. that side needed 2 full off seasons, everyone knew this 6 months ago. know season is upon us, and we want to win, but reids 08-11 drafts just killed that side. i’m hoping for not horrible this yr, mediocre next and by ’15 have some confidence they can win some games. till then, kelly better run the score up any chance he can get.

      • EaglePete

        all great points, and then theres the safety position. I still took some positives out of the D in first preseason game. Anything is better than that joke they fielded last season but Im not setting the bar that low. It needs to be better, esp against the run. I just want to see a defensive that can get off the field when its needed and not just get run over. Im all for Cary working out and agree with your points about his most recent play, we shall see though, his numbers werent great in coverage over the season hence the skeptics.

        • GEagle

          I’m not SOLD on him either…I’m just tired of people looking at half of the story and running with it…Who did we get? Regular season Cary or playoff Cary? The latter would excite me, yet NO MEDIA members even acknowledge his playoff run…they all just keep shoving the regular season numbers in my face…I don’t know which Cary we are getting, but I’m not automatically ready to conceded that his playoff run was an ANOMOLY….
          ..
          I have no idea which Cary we are getting, I just think the media member that pretend to have any clue about which Cary will show up for us are full of ish

      • Anon

        I was totally with you until you said we have as much talent as TB. I think we had as much talent as they did last year, but their GM pays to win (acquiring, revis,barron, goldston, vjax, etc.) in the last 2 years. We’ll see if it works out, but you’ve got to respect the way they address their needs through FA / draft. I do think we have as much talent as anyone else in our division.

        • GEagle

          actually I was talking about last years TB team…I have no clue who this TB is yet

          • Anon

            I’m just jealous of their secondary. I’ll take our QB controversy over Josh Freeman any day.

          • GEagle

            Hahaha TB wanted to trade for Foles…they obviously would take our QB situation any day over that Mutt!…as for the secondary, sure on paper it look stellar. But who’s to say Goldson didn’t cash in and wont regress. we have a huge safety problem, and Gamble knew Goldson better than anyone yet we didn’t even attempt to go after him? Why?…Revis could be the best CB in the game, or he could have lost a step. haven’t seen him play in like two years, so I have no clue who he is at this point..

            On paper they have a chance to be very good…Very interested in seeing how they gel

          • Andy124

            “TB wanted to trade for Foles”
            Say what?

          • GEagle

            Yup…TB and KC around the time of the owners meeting

  • Brent E. Sulecki

    Knott looks like Urlacher the way he plays and gets ready in his crouch.
    I like it. cant wait for the game..

    • Media Mike

      Can we compare Knott to a LB other than the one who overran plays and specialized in giving ball carriers 2-3 extra yards by hitting them further downfield on his “tackles?”

  • deerpathdave

    “Severe lack of talent’??? Former 3 former 1st and 2nd round picks at Safety. At LB, Ryans, Barwin and Cole are former pro-bowlers, while Kendricks and Graham were 1st and 2nd round picks. On the DL, there is Cox and Curry former 1st and 2nd round picks.

    At QB we have a former #1 overall with multiple probowls. At RB a former Pro Bowler. At WR a former Probowler and a 2nd round pick at TE. The Line has a couple of guys manning the left side considered by many to be the best in the game and a #4 overall pick on the right side.

    That is arguably 17 really talented guys. Maybe not the most talented, definitely not a severe lack. Funny how the media over reacts.

    • Dubiy

      joaquin jarrett was a 2nd round pick, does that make him talented? Who cares when they were picked

      • Media Mike

        The Jets seem to like Jarrett.

        • Dubiy

          Tim couch was the 1st overall pick, basing our ‘talent’ over where our guys were drafted is just the stupidest thing I’ve ever heard.

          • Media Mike

            I don’t disagree with you, but I wanted to point out that Jarrett seems to be doing ok this preseason elsewhere.

          • Dubiy

            and king dunlap is almost the chargers starting LT

          • Media Mike

            Philip Rivers should go on strike.

  • Media Mike

    Chris Burke is the man! We don’t need a mobile QB!

  • Media Mike

    I hope Dan G is ready to write another Cary Williams fight column. He’s going to throw down with Steve Smith tonight!

    • cliff henny

      my money is on Steve Smith

      • Andy124

        Football fights are the worst! Open hand slaps to the helmet… lame.

        • cliff henny

          not steve smith’s fights. that dude broken couple jaws in practice.

      • Media Mike

        Forget you Cliff. I bet you cheered for Creed, Lang, and Drago vs. Rocky! Philly wins all fights! Williams w/KO!

  • Media Mike

    The “lack of talent” on the Eagles is interesting. Guys who’d I call talented (i.e. meaning in the top quarter of starters in their player groups in the NFL right now)
    Peters, Mathis, *Lane Johnson, DeSean, Shady, Alex Henery, Cox, Graham, Ryans.

  • Token

    Phillip Hunt out for season with ACL. Dont remember reading this anywhere

    • Media Mike

      Ugghhh. At least we don’t have to worry about a difficult cut. I like Hunt as a pass rusher, but don’t know about him as an OLB in a 3-4.

      • Token

        Yea I like Hunt as a rusher in a 4-3. This is too many ACLs. Theres gotta be a reason. I always thought the Eagles had awful strength and conditioning coaches which lead to too many injuries. But it appears that number is up so far this year.

        I get that ACL is usually kind of a freak injury. But it cant be a coincidence. Theres gotta be a reason. I think the NFL in general is up on ACLs this year.

        • cliff henny

          bigger stronger and faster…only so much an ACL can take

    • GEagle

      When the hell did he get hurt?

      • Andy124

        More importantly, where? I think we all want to know if it happened on the NovaCare field. Starting to get kinda eerie.

  • GEagle

    sooo True. I too thought, ok with time I’m going to go back to Loving Donovan…NOPE!!! DMac simply will not allow us to like him. How can anyone respect a grown man who acts like a petulant immature child?

    I’m so tired of the persecuted Donovan…Mr. mcNabb, if you have really been persecuted all these years from the big bad wolf Eagles fans, then when is the SENTENCING coming from this persecution? When will it end? if you are persecuted, then it’s time to sentence you(ATleast in my mind)…

    I have tried to like him so much…Enough.. I sentence the persecute DMac to F OFF!!!!.. I really hope Lurie puts an end to the coddling of this little B***H!!! I’m a season ticket holder and I won’t miss a single game this year, and Lurie had better NOT make me sit through a McNabb Celebration this year. Lurie has been taking my hard earned money for an inferior, pathetic product for two years now. Im patient with Chip..he can win only 6games this year for all I care, and I will be there, hootin n Hollaring like a madman for all 8 of the games. I’m not asking for wins, all I ask is to please not make me sit through a DMac Celebration day. I just can’t stomach it. maybe in the future…but it is way too soon!
    ..
    Anyone who didn’t like Dmacs comments should head to CSNPHILLY and Check out Roob pleading DMac to shut up. great video by Roob.

    Everytime the air guitar is mentioned I can’t help but think, how many Eagles fans in the Delaware valley aid the same exact thing: ” The moment I saw McNabb whip out the air guitar I knew we would lose that game”….I have heard 100s of people echo that same exact sentiment!

  • GEagle

    it’s really getting to that point of LaConfora for Sal, where you try your hardest not to hear a word he says…

    How is it that so few journalists or analyst who cover the NFL care about their Credibility? irresponsible dopes like Sal and LaConfora makes you really learn to appreciate responsible journalism and analysis from guys like Mortesson, and Jay Glazier….Jay Glazier could be the first man to break every single NFL story if he wanted. but he cares about his credibility, so he prefers to hold off until he gets the proper amount of verification that the news is actually true…If he didn’t care about his credibility, and just reported everything as soon as he heard it, then no one would break a story before him….and in Today’s media, that’s very commendable and guys like Glazier should be applauded

  • MV7

    Cmon man now you know better. You know they will not look at the bigger picture. Blaming Vick is the wasy way for these simpletons. You couldn’t have said it better

  • Token

    Yep, Vicks piss poor career as a QB has not been his fault. Ive
    never seen so many apologists for a player in my life.

    When a player has a bad year you can make these excuses. But when the player has always been a bad QB his entire career, making these excuses is ridiculous.

    But I get it, you think hes cute and MV7 likes him because he has “swag”. I would suggest idolizing better people in general if Mike Vick is who you worship.

  • Nicholas Disilvestro

    Vick fumbled on the two yard line against the Steelers. We lost the game by two points and we only gave up 16 points. If we get a field goal there we win. You can’t blame that one of the defense, sorry.

  • MV7

    Happens to me everyday on here lol

  • GEagle

    the Defense will be better then this city thinks…My only question is how many games it will take for it to really arrive…A guy Like Lane, is going to need 4 or 5 games to get used to the NFl and then he should be fine…How many games does it take the defense to Gel is the question….But by the end of the year I think this city will be surprised at the brand of ball our defense is playing!…

    I think this front 7 is going to be much much better than most people seem to think, both against the run and putting pressure on QBs….If the sum of all the parts in the secondary, can be better then the individuals, and Graham,Cox,Kendrick and Barwin are getting to the QB and not forcing our CBs to cover for 5 seconds, we could be headed in the right direction as a defense…

  • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

    What?

    Do you even understand how football is played?

    1. Last year defenders were in the backfield when the ball was snapped…lol…it was bad…you can’t “run away” from that.

    2. Oline has always mattered to Vick…that’s why the oline in the A ONLY practiced run blocking – didn’t even practice against the pass.

    3. Vick’s rushing stats are down b/c Reid and crew didn’t want him running. Period. You could see his indecision in the pocket – throw – run – throw – Oh Snap!! here they come…

    4. If Vick couldn’t “run” anymore than he would have been even more beat up than he already was – he avoided A LOT of sacks b/c of his legs.

    SMH.

  • MV7

    He still can. And you’ll be watching

  • MV7

    Facts aren’t excuses. You people look at numbers too much. I don’t care about “swag”.
    At what level has Nick Foles ever won?
    NONE.
    There’s your stats since you want to use them so much.

  • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

    lol.

    I know. It’s all Vick’s fault.

    You He-Man Vick hating folk can’t see past number 7. Yet you claim other folk “worship” him.

    Priceless.

  • Nicholas Disilvestro

    I really don’t get the worship of him. Its worse than evangelical christians and Tebow. Even though most of his fans love him I doubt you find many that will tell you he’s a pro bowl qb. Reading some blogs about the Eagles you would have thought we won a superbowl in 2010.
    His numbers career wise are average to below average. I’m not sure what the obsession is with him.

  • GEagle

    Revisionist history!!! You know what I remember? for the first time in my life seeing Vick not able to run away from DLINEMAN!!! I’m not talking about LBs, I’m talking about DLILNEMAN catching him from behind…but hey, he beat shady in a Foot race, and we run the Counter offense lol, I mean Read option Offense, so All Hail mIke Vick

  • MV7

    LMAO!! I love it.

  • MV7

    I sure hope so

  • Token

    No, its just that we have seen the guy play. We see what numbers he puts up. We see how he leads NFL players in turnovers per snap. I can only assume the small amount of followers he has left are either from Newport News or enjoy his sneakers or something. I know that it cant be anything related to on the field production. Because that would signal mental instability.

  • GEagle

    Maddening isn’t it?

  • EaglesFanInAZ

    What the downfall of vick the past 2 years is that Andy tried to turn him into a pocket passer. Look at the hits he took and the bad decisions he made and you’ll notice a theme – the vast majority were in the pocket! He was born to make plays OUTSIDE of the pocket and trying to force him to become a pocket passer was a major contributing factor to the past 2 years imo.

  • GEagle

    I must have stuttured because I don’t hear any Vick apologists addressing this one. Lol

  • Token

    If theres one thing in the NFL that means a whole hell of a lot its the turnovers. It doesnt get much worse than Vick when it comes to bonehead turnovers.

    Of course Im not suprised a Vick supporter finds numbers meaningless.

    I dont care if Nick Foles won anything. This is the NFL now. Not college, not high school. It only matters what he does now. Maybe he will be awful, maybe he will be good.

    One thing we know for sure is that Vick will continue to be awful like he has been for his entire career minus a 3 or 4 games stretch in 2010. What has Vick ever won? He has been a nothing his entire career. A sub 60% passer. If not for his running back skills of the past he wouldnt have even been in the league this long.

  • http://www.philthycanuck.com/ Adam

    News flash.. Chip wants a pocket passer too.

  • Andy124

    Are you implying that Vick was a better QB in Atlanta when he was not asked to be a pocket passer?

  • MV7

    Certain players ( and Vick is one of them, Barry Sanders too) you have to let them use their instincts. Just let them play and quit trying to change them.
    They let Favre be Favre.
    Let Vick be Vick. Also, that pocket passer thing got his a## hammered. Vick can throw from the pocket, but he has to be able to play his game….like other QBs in the league do as we speak

  • MV7

    Foles is a system QB…as least that;s what he looks like to me. Make him move off his spot and you got him

  • Brian

    Plain false. It was the same offense he was so wonderful in during the 2010 season. EDIT: Also, he had his best career season in that “pocket passing” offense.

  • GEagle

    56% percent completion rate…all hail King Vick!!!

  • Andy124

    We really don’t need to exagerate to make the 2010 sss(small sample size) point. (Leaves us vulnerable to being wrong.) He had 6 great games and at least 2 to 4 more that were anywhere from good to really good.

  • MV7

    Nick Foles = ZERO Winning Seasons at ANY LEVEL OF FOOTBALL

  • GEagle

    Im the president of that club…I will be collecting Club dues from both of you at the end of the day….
    ..
    people still don’t understand that I sincerely take down voting as flattering

  • MV7

    Thank you!!

  • Maggie

    Peyton Manning has won ONE Superbowl in 16 years, yet all the world bows down and kisses his feet. Big stats. So what?

  • GEagle

    Cuz 6 rookie games is enough for you to have a valuable assesment of him? Do you happen to think that’s as good as its gonna get for Foles? Do you think he is finished product? OH that’s right, I forgot…ONLY 33 year old starters of a Decade STILL HAVE POTENTIAL around here…gotcha! Lol

  • MV7

    Well I said ” at least that;s what he looks like to me”
    You don’t seem to read well..

  • MV7

    Because people played well around him. It’s not hard to see

  • aub32

    So let me get this straight, the measure of a QB is how many great games he had? Flacco looked absolutely horrid at times last year. Eli is good for at least one WTF?!? game per month. Are you saying Vick has to be great every single game just to be the starter? Good luck getting that out of anyone on the roster.

  • GEagle

    Dude, it’s friggin BLASEPHMY to compare Vick to Barry Sanrs, the friggin all time great!!

    If Vick wants to remain on this team it should be as a punt returner lol…when I hear all the apologists list his skills, it sure sounds like a heckuva punt returner to me..QB?…NOT SO MUCH! Lol

  • MV7

    It’s not blasphemy, those both have/had instincts that cannot be taught. That was what i was comparing

  • cliff henny

    you foles guys have a lot riding on 8/9. he better show alot, the kid does have serious holes in his game too. i pretty much know what vick is going to put out there. maybe with kelly scheme, see something nearer to 2010. that’s the hope. but foles, it’ll be judgement day. i like foles, think he’s a competant back-up, but has no where near the ceiling vick does.

  • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

    And that’s what I don’t understand. If Foles had come in and lit it up (as much as was possible under the condition) then all the Foles love would make sense.

    BUT the guy came out and looked Meh…he looked like he was drafted in the third round. Say what you want about Vick but he OWNS the East. I KNOW he can beat Dallas, the Skins and the Giants…regularly.

    SO…You have a coach who likes to runt the ball and run and uptempo offense – and a QB who is great in the uptempo offense and can run the ball – oh and who can beat the bricks off of every team in the division – Kelly would be a FOOL not to play Vick if he wants to increase his odds of having a decent (8-8/9-7) season.

    Now if Foles comes into camp and just BLOWS everyone away than great – but short of that – not starting M. Vick (you know he’s gone next year) is just foolish.

  • cliff henny

    there is different levels of vick supporters. the one that think vick is all-pro and only thing holding him back was o-line and reid’s play calling make me scratch my head too. to me, vick is vick, unreal athlete, cannon arm, hopefully kelly can harness it all. the ceiling for if/when vick puts it all together is pretty high, we’ve seen it, yeah short and too infrequent, but it’s there. reason i’m for vick is foles is the alternative. kid handled himself well in horrible situation last year, but the kid has some huge holes in his game. 8/9 is huge day for foles, see what he’s improved on. hope it’s a lot, it needs to be.

  • defroe81

    not as many excuses as we have for the legend… i am no longer a vick fan as he fumbled to damn much and made dumb plays like throwing into tripple coverage but if it so happens the vet wins the job its only his to lose and there will just be more excuses for him. i will root for whoever the qb is unlike you vick supporters who would dump the team quick if foles or barkley wins out… whom im sure if vick gets traded would gladly root for vick on another team and forget about the birds… yep real fans

  • GoBirds1

    Whatwas Vick’s record in his last 7 starts? 0 – 7. Not very goodfor a legend.

  • defroe81

    anyone watch vick in the preseason last year… yep he got beat by a rookie. he should have lost the job last year IMO… but sure we are the ones making excuses for foles…

  • nicksaenz1

    If only sports science could figure out how to do that

  • Andy124

    So you’re saying if both Vick and Foles play poorly on 8/9 that it’s a win for Vick? I can’t agree with you there at all.

    Let’s just hope the whoever wins the qb competition, that’s it’s not close.

  • cliff henny

    no, i’m saying i know what vick ceiling is, it’s 2010. it’s there, it’s on tape on an nfl field. foles showed some things last yr, but to think he can get to a level vick has shown, well, i dont see it. if kelly can get MV back to 75-80% (whatever number you want to use), that’s where foles has to show he can get to. he goes out and kicks it around on 8/9, when has he ever show he can get to a level vick has played at. also, i really careless about last year. those number and stats mean nothing. line was garbage, play calling was garbage, everyone was garbage. foles deserves his chance, he showed enough to be considered.
    and yes, you always give the guy who has shown what he can do more leeway than a guy who has never shown it.

  • MV7

    LOL you think I’m falling for that

  • Andy124

    It’s a joke. A reference to Tropic Thunder.

  • Nicholas Disilvestro

    you need to see a proctologist‎ to remove your head from vick’s rear end.

  • Brian

    Excuses?

  • Pennguino

    Detroit is more Vick than it is defense. At the end of the 4th the defense bowed up and prevented a TD to lose the game. They allowed only a FG after 3 tries inside of the 10. 2 of them from the 1.
    They Held and forced OT. Vick got the ball to start OT and went sack, sack, inc. Lost 21 yards. Detroit moved it 23 yards and kick the game winning FG. The ball was in his hands and he CHOKED!

    Pitt game he converted a 3rd and 12 in the 4th. Roth that is.

  • Pennguino

    Ben only had a 3rd in 12 in the 4th. No 20+ yards. If the defense makes the stop who are you going to give the credit too? You are killing the defense here saying it is mostly their fault. But hey, if they get the stop, then I can bet you world peace VICK would be getting all the praise and the credit for the win.

  • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

    Sorry the 20+ was the Detroit game…No, I’m pointing out if Vick had fumbled the ball int he fourth – it would be his fault – but talking about a play so early in the game where…it was the screw up in the fourth (3rd and 12 doesn’t really help your case) and say “Oh it’s all Vick’s fault” is silly. That was a defensive error. period.

  • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

    You do realized he averaged on 30 passes a game in 2010 and racked up nice yardage on the ground. 2010 offense was VERY diff.

  • Pennguino

    I agree and disagree with parts of your opinion.
    There is a chance that Vick could exceed his 2010. I think this offense can be more explosive and dynamic. I don’t think it’s probable though.

    You are judging Foles in his second year with only 6 games under his belt to get to 75-80% of Vick who has 10 years in the league? It looks like you are setting this bar based on Vick’s 2010 Stats. How is that even remotely close to a reasonable expectation?

    I agree last year was garbage all on fronts but it is the only thing we have to go off of. It still counts. For Foles to not go into a fetal position after every snap in his rookie year is a credit to his fortitude. I agree he showed enough to be giving an opportunity.

    2010 Vick had a 100 QBR. His next closest was 2002 at 81.6. His QBR for 2012, the garbage year, was a 78.1 QBR. That rating is >= 5 of his first 6 years. Last year was closer to normal than 2010.

    We have not seen enough of Foles to accurately or truly evaluate where his ceiling tops out. I have no idea how good or bad Foles will be. This part is not directed at you. I push Foles so hard because of the Pro-Vick crowd that think he has done anything great in this league. He is a phenomenal athlete but just an average QB at best. His athleticism makes him an above average football player with moments of greatness. He is not the type of player that will be able to extend his career with his veteran savviness or wisdom to win a game. His physical skills are diminishing and he is 1 maybe 2 concussions away from being a mental case by age 45.

    At this stage in his career, I believe Foles has the higher ceiling.

  • Pennguino

    I agree the numbers don’t mean much but they are facts but don’t tell the whole story. The line is Romo completed a 12 yards pass. Meh. The eyes tell you that he escaped 3 or 4 of our guys to make that throw. A lot more impressive in the eyes. But its also the fallacy. Fans like us tend to put a lot of weight in these dynamic plays. These “highlights” count for 5X more weight then the actual mundane plays. The numbers are there to help tell the story. Give me the ugly win over the pretty loss any day. I assume everyone feel the same on that last sentence

  • Pennguino

    I believe its a bigger moment for Vick. He is in the twilight of his career. If he doesn’t win the starting gig this year he is probably done for. He might get the starter gig as a temp player like Pederson in ’99.
    Foles on the other hand is very young and only has to ride the bench for 2 years before he can leave. He still has his whole career on the ahead of hem.

  • Pennguino

    No worries. Vick did throw an INT in the Det game in the 4th. This is where the Pro Vick / Anti Vick crowd go at each other.
    I think it’s safe to state the the Defense is getting the majority of the blame in the Detroit and the Pitt game, both losses, from the Pro Vick crowd.
    But when the tables are turned, Vick get’s the credit for wins. Not the defense. The tables were turned with the Cle, Bal, NYG games. The defense got the final stop (INT) in the Cleveland game. Shouldn’t they get the credit for the win? They got the final stop in Baltimore game and force a 50+ FG try in the NYG game. But all we here is how Vick won 3 games.

    That is one of mt beefs. When Vick had the ball in his hands to win the game he didn’t. Yes, he is only one person. When the ball was in Foles’ hands and he had the same scenario, score and win, he did. I go back to the “he is only one person” comment. He hit the TE in the WAS game for a TD to tie the game but Evan Moore dropped it.

    Vick got sacked and lost the game in Det because he can’t block and throw the ball. Same thing for Foles. He can’t catch and throw the ball on the same play.

    I think this debate will get bigger as more info comes out and we get to see them in PS games. It is going to be unreal. :)

  • Brian

    No. HE was very different.

  • GiveMeABreak

    Pats were #5 overall defense and GB was #12 and top 5 against the pass. Plus, both are top 10 in offense. How close do you think our QBs will be to Brady or Rogers? I think the conventional wisdom is wiser than you appear to believe.

  • Andy124

    Don’t ask me to explain it.

  • GEagle

    Dominate the line of scrimmage and you can win some games. That I know!!!

  • GEagle

    Then Westbrook thought he was tough and got killed in Mma..

    You know who got Epically KTFO in MMA? Johnny Morton!! It was scary, he was laid out!!!

  • Andy124

    Yup. But Vai Sikahema humiliated Canseco, so there’s that.

  • GEagle

    God that was great!! I wish I was there live…

  • Richard Colton

    I’d feel better if we got to see him for one series. Does he play the third preseason game, or does Chip sit him until Week 1?

  • Andy124

    Sits him in the 3rd week. Plays the full game in week 4. #innovation

  • cliff henny

    gotta see him once. dont want to go into wash game blind.