Georges Perrier Finally Sells His Chestnut Hill Home

It seems like we’ve been talking about Georges Perrier trying to sell his house for the longest time. This week, the legendary Le Bec-Fin chef tells us he’s finally managed to unload the gorgeous 9,000-square foot home, complete with a wine cellar, five fireplaces and an in-ground pool.

“I’ve been packing for days,” Perrier, 69, laments, explaining that he’s downsizing to a two-bedroom apartment at 23rd and Walnut streets. He’s moving in this week. “I have too much stuff,” he says, even after he sold many of his belongings at a much-talked-about estate sale. “Whatever I can’t carry, I will put in storage.”

The stately Chestnut Hill manse had been on the market since 2011, with an original asking price of $2.7 million, later reduced to $2.1 million. A bona fide bargain. Perrier and his then-wife Andrea (they’ve since divorced) purchased the home for $2.35 million in 2008 from Glen Senk, who was the CEO of Anthropologie at the time.

Perrier won’t say what the final price tag was, and we weren’t yet able to find a record of the sale in city records. (Redfin, however, has the sale listed as pending at $2.1 million.) But the colorful chef still owns one very important piece of Philadelphia property: 1523 Walnut Street, the former home of Le Bec-Fin.

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  • Z2

    Redfin is reporting that it closed at $1.8

    Towanda to 23rd and Walnut? Ouch.

  • Z2

    Redfin is reporting that it closed at $1.8

    Towanda to 23rd and Walnut? Ouch.

  • eaglepete

    Not to beat a dead horse and start any pro/anti Vick threads but that first statement on Vick is spot on. I was under the impression he would want out if not the starter but he makes solid points. We shall see

    • cliff henny

      not sure where he hasnt given indication. that last quote from on his way out of town from OTAs, sounded like he had no plans to sit behind foles. cant blame him-want him to be competitive, he should have said nothing, but i cant see vick as backup in philly

      • Mr. Wu

        I didn’t get that at all from his comments. I thought it was obvious he was just annoyed at the answering the same question over and over. Still my concern with having Vick as a backup isn’t Vick but the rest of the locker room who will surely be torn by Vick holding a clip board for foles.

        • theycallmerob

          I think you’re spot on. If nothing else, this offseason has shown that the powers-that-be are intent on changing the dynamics of this team. Vick as a backup is too polarizing too ignore, even if he plays the good samaritan.

  • Scott J610

    There’s no way Vick stays on this team if he doesn’t win the starting job. He’ll be cut.

  • aub32

    So that I don’t have to continue responding to individual post, I am putting my final Coop vs Avant argument here. The main thing I am seeing is that fans are arguing Avant is a better player/leader. However, I think many are viewing it wrong. This isn’t an argument of Avant vs Coop as much as it is Outside WR vs slot. Avant would be the 4th option in the slot, behind Benn, DJ2, and Ertz. Some are arguing Benn could be moved outside, but that defeats the matchup nightmare that putting him inside would afford. On the other hand Coop would be the 3rd WR option. He woul also be our best blocking WR outside, with Benn being inside.

    Therefore, my argument is that Avant would not see any offensive snaps, where as a backup outside WR might, in this case Coop. And since it’s pretty much a push in regard to their blocking and ST play. My argument is that Coop has more of a place on this roster than a 4th option slot receiver.

    • theycallmerob

      Here’s hoping Momah outplays them both!!

      • aub32

        Here Here

    • Dutch

      Cooper shouldn’t be in consideration to make the final cut. It’s a discredit and blanket disrespectful to Avant to compare Cooper to Avant. Any attempt to minimize Avant has to indicate he’s being taken for granted. Avant has been a solid and steady contributor during his tenure in Phila. Conversely, Cooper is and has always been a project.

      Avant is the closest weapon the Eagles had come to having a Boldin type receiver who makes the big catches and does so in traffic. Cooper isn’t going to catch a ball when covered or in traffic.

      • aub32

        Really Boldin. Clearly you missed my point and are just a loyalist to the player. HAHA Boldin.

        • theycallmerob

          I’ll drink to that.

          It’s funny, earlier when we were going back and forth, and I said something along the lines of “we could really use that big, physical WR2 in this offense”, I thought of how nice it would be if Howie had gotten Boldin. Since none of our WRs are like that. Unless you’re drinking Dutch’s magical juice

      • Pennguino

        Go back and look at the one handed catches in the endzone from Nick and Vick. He goes up and gets Vick’s ball. He displays the savy WR skill by pinning the defenders arm against his body and then one hands the catch from Nick. Coop bailed Foles out a few times last year with in traffic catches.

  • GEagle

    Nice article, providing one awesome stats that I didn’t know. props Sheil.

    we have our issues, but no one in this division scares me the least bit…
    ..
    This season is all about the QB. We don’t need Foles to be a gunslinger. If Foles can manage the game take care of the ball, get the ball out quickly and into the hands of a skill player in stride, then we are going to win some games next year…The Key will be for the Eagles to go into half time with a decent lead. No team will be in better shape then us, so if we can go into half time with a lead, we can really pound the ball in the second half, and by then, many teams will be worn down and we can start stampeding them…once teams get behind in the second half and are having problems stopping our run game, they are gong to be desperate to get points on the board quickly..and that’s when I hope out defensive disguise can force QBs pressing to score, to make some bad reads that our defensive can capitalize on….I’m not expecting playoffs, but it wouldn’t surprise me at all.

    • nicksaenz1

      I pointed out the turnover issue a couple of weeks ago and how painfully awful it was. We had 37 last year, with only 13 takeaways. If Kelly can’t stand turnovers and won’t play guys who turn it over, that number drops. Even if it drops a 3rd, and Billy Davis can bring a D that forces turnovers to a level that’s right in the middle of the pack, which is in the mid-20s, the +/- balances out…. Playoffs?!?!?! …Playoffs?!?!?!

      • GEagle

        I say it all the time that IMO its gong to be close to impossible to not be significantly better in the turnover margin then we were last season. It was sooooo pathetic, that there is no where to really go but UP!!!…..Football gods owe us some serious Injury and Turnover “Ju Ju”

  • GEagle

    I still have my eye on guys who could soon hit the trading block or waiver wire:
    ..
    1) Jarius Byrd…no addition would impact this team as much as Byrd

    2) Jared Odrick. he had a horrible year transitioning from 3-4 to 4-3. dolphins spent a ton of money, they are gong to have to trim the roster and this move would save them 4mil
    ..
    3) Darnell Docked is coming off a really bad year, and rumors been floating around that Cardinals might want to save 8mil and give young guys a chance.

    4) Ryan Pickett…might be a good idea to add another veteran to this Dline for a year or two. packers are extremely high on Datone Jones, which is going to make Pickett expendable
    ..
    5) Red Bryant….I don’t know if I believe it, but I keep hearing rumblings about Red being on his way out of Seatle.
    ..
    6) Jabaal Sheard: Browns have been raving about how he is transitioning to OLB, but as soon as Mingo is ready to play big minutes opposite of Kruger, they are going to want to get some value for Sheard. he won’t make it to 2014 as a Brown.

    7) Micheal Johnson…While those idiots a BGN are right, Johnson has the type of Body that chip covets at the position, and Johnson could very well be expendable, but BGN is RETARDED if they think the Bengals would take Graham or Cole. MJ is a very nice young player. THE ONLY REASON they would move him is because of MONEY. At the end of the season, the historically Cheap Bengals are going to have a major problem because Atkins, Dunlap and MJ’s contracts will all expire. I can promise you that the Bengals will NOT extend all 3…someone will be left out, and my guess is it’s Johnson….Johnson might very well be attainable, but there is NO WAY the Bengals would want the contracts of Graham or Cole in return….

    Anyone seeing any players around the year that could help us and might soon hit the trading block or waiver wire?

    • GEagle

      Notice, all my focus is on the defense..
      ..
      word out o Miami is that Brent Grimes is looking fantastic coming back from injury.. Grrrrrrr

    • Capt. Undapants

      Somebody had some coffee this morning.

      • GEagle

        Too early for autographs….”I’m not a hero”, “I’m not a role Model”….look to your parents for that lol

    • nicksaenz1

      what would you give for byrd? 3rd?

      • GEagle

        3rd and a player…Nate Allen, Phillip Hunt, Riley Cooper…..BILLS HAVE NO LEVERAGE LEFT, and when that happens, you never get fair compensation in return, so my guess is…when Byrd gets traded, it will be for a 3rd and a decent player(nothing special)…best case scenario for the bills is probably a 2nd round pick(but I doubt they would get that much).

        it’s been a while since there was an attainable player that I want as bad as Byrd,,,I guess the last one was probably Peyton, but I knew we had No shot at that

        • nicksaenz1

          Yeah I’d love nothing more than for Howie to pull that off. I’d consider throwing a 2nd rounder their way with no additional player. But if I went 3rd and a player I’d rather give up a receiver like Cooper who’s fighting for a spot on our roster. It’s conceivable a change of scenery does him some good, gives EJ/Kolb a big target, and helps clear up our receiver situation. It’s not like he’s owed big money. The trouble we’d have is reaching that long term deal Byrd wants. But, given our secondary, I think the checkbook should be pretty open.

          • Adam

            Any trade would most likely be contingent on the Eagles and Byrd coming to terms on a long term agreement.

          • GEagle

            DUH!!!!

          • Adam

            Are you 12 years old?

          • GEagle

            Lol

        • MAC

          Most of my family is from Buffalo area, except my father who grew up in Philly. I had lived in Buffalo for a while. I speak to a lot of friends that are die hard Bills fans and have a good feel for the Byrd situation. There is zero chance the Bills would trade Byrd anytime soon. I was as hopeful as any Eagles fan is and that’s why I asked a lot of my friends from there.

          The main reason is bc the Bills do have leverage. It’s the franchise tag bc it’s like $6.5 million this year and will go to approximately $8.5 next year for Byrd. That is $15 million in two years and the Bills are already offering in neighborhood of $8 million per. Byrd is not going to pull a Vincent Jackson and refuse to sign the tender and sit out until week 10. It’s not something that any player does outside of Jackson situation a few years back.

          I don’t think the Bills and Byrd get long term deal done before the deadline, but either way they will keep him. He is one of there top 3 players and they just will not let him go unless some team comes in and blows them away with an offer. Really it’s Byrd who has no leverage bc it cost Buffalo around $15 million for next 2 seasons on the franchise tag. Byrd is asking for $9 million per.

          • GEagle

            I would agree that there is no chance, had they not just let one of the best young guards in Football, who they called “their secret weapon”, Levitre walk in Free agency. Bills are 18million under the cap, yet they are causing Byrd to DESPISE HIM. the is also Precedent in Buffalo for the bills trying away a player they just Franchised. Bills did it in 2003. They Franchised Pealess price, and flipped him to the Falcons..

            my obbsession for Byrd isn’t really based on us trading for him now. I Do Not believe he will spend the next 5 years playing with the Bills, so I just hope his next Longterm contract is with us…IDEALLY we trade for him NOW, but as long as we can land him at some point when the bIlls are done jerking him around, iLl be happy. They let Levitre walk, and they don’t even have a good young guard to replace him with….Most franchises, I wouldn’t have any hope in letting a kid like Byrd walk….but I can’t put that past the Bills AT ALL. maybe it’s wishful thinking. But I don’t believe he will be a Bill Longterm, so I hope his next stop is Philly.

            The Blls Oficial website even mentions the possibility of trying Byrd. They are 18Mil under the cap. They traded away Jason Peters because they didn’t want to pay him the following year. they just let a top young guard walk and didn’t come close to replacing him…they are 18Million under the cap, and they completely Broke off talks with Byrds agent, and destroyed their relationship with one of there best players…I’m not holding my breath, but I can’t rule it out either…I also heard Byrd and Chung are pretty close. Just wish I knew more about Chip’s relationship with Byrd….Byrd could come to this Huge Market from a team that has to play games in Canada, and be a GOD!!! I just don’t know how Howie views the Safety position…how much does he think is acceptable to pay for an Elite young Safety?..

            they won’t agree to a deal with Byrd before Mondays deadline, and there is a good chance he holds out…fingers crossed!!!!

        • Richard Colton

          I’d do a Byrd for a Wolff, even up.

          • GEagle

            the dream is to have the Wolff patrolling the line of scrimmage with the Byrd flying around centerfield holding down a top defense in 2015

    • theycallmerob

      Thanks, we got that from the same post yesterday.

      • GEagle

        Yeah cuz you all visit Igglesblitz

        Fools have to take there silly shots…have fun

        • Brian

          Did you forget your meds today?

          • GEagle

            You must have forgot that when you take unnecessary shots at me for no reason, I give them back. To each his own. Go out of your way to act like a Prick, and I will react this way every single time…how is this even still a debate lol

          • theycallmerob

            well, mostly because those of us over the age of 13 tend to outgrow that mindset.

          • Mr. Wu

            Dude no offense, but you take yourself way too seriously man. You have many well thought out valid points and you seem to do a lot of research to back up the things you say here, which is good for a guy like me who doesnt have the time to find this info on my own, and I appreciate it. But the way you frame yourself in your arguments is kind of annoying and grating. When you say things like “Word on the street is” or “I am hearing rumors” or “my sources are telling me” etc. makes you sound like you think you are an industry insider or journalist or something when we all know you are not. You get your info from other blogs not “sources”. Stuff like that kind of detracts from the valid points you have.

  • Honest_T

    While I expect fumbles to improve, I think everyone expecting a marked improvement in the number of interceptions thrown is in for a rude awakening. This is the first year learning a vastly different system, and it will take some time to run it like a well oiled machine. Also, we will run almost 50% more plays.

    First, option routes mean that the QB and the WR must be on the same page. This will improve as we move through the season, but there are sure to be plenty of miscues. Second, even if the correct route is run, it may not be executed flawlessly. Perfection takes a lot of practice, studies say 10,000 hours to achieve above average execution, so don’t expect miracles in year 1. Third, Our QB options are mistake prone or inexperienced, or both. Not that they won’t improve, but we are still early in the learning curve, especially with a QB competition limited reps and assimilation.

    I do expect an improvement in the interception and fumble rate (int or fum per play), I don’t expect a lot of improvement in the raw numbers because we will be running more plays..

    • borntosuffer

      I respectfully disagree with your assessment on interceptions for two reasons – the offensive line and the fast developing plays in Kelly’s offense. If the O-line is anything near full strength, the QB will have more time to actually execute the play called this year than last. Less pressure and Kelly’s insistence of getting the ball out of the QB’s hand should reduce the interception rate. For the same reasons, I expect the QB fumble rate to go down. There will be more “opportunities” for the non-QB’s to fumble as they will be handing the ball more and the Eagles will, theoretically, run more plays than last year.

  • Stuart Philp

    I see what McNabb is saying, but the lions do have one of the better QBs in the league in Stafford and they needed to lock him up long term. He’s their franchise guy. Very few teams are in a position to say ‘this is our QB for next 5 years’.

    Is he worth it? Well he puts up good numbers, he’s young, and can keep the lions in contention for a playoff spot. If they continue to build up the team around him, they should make the playoffs, and then we’ll know if it was worth it or not.

    The problem with the lions win-loss record these last few years does not start with Stafford.

  • GEagle

    the MESS in Foxborogh continues lol..
    ..
    3 months ago, Patriots CB alfonzo Dennard was sentenced to 30days in jail and 2years of probation after being convicted of assaulting a police officer…well last night, he was arrested, suspicion of DUI.

    Those Fools in Foxboroug never learn…It’s starting to look like a madhouse for the GOLD Standard..lol Keep in mind there other CB is Aqib “far from a choir Boy” Talib lol

    • GEagle

      Hahahahaha PRICELESS via yardbarker
      on June 26, minutes after detectives left Hernandez alone in a room…he approached a mirror(apparently he didn’t know it was a two way mirror lol)…
      And the Genius Hernandez starts boasting to the mirror:
      “That’s Right. I shot him. Right in the face. saw his last breath leave his body then we dumped it out back”..as Hernandez bragged to the two way mirror with 4 officers standing on the other side taking notes..”Ain’t no one gonna find out either.Whos gonna snitch on me? Nobody! This is all between me and you, mirror” as Hernandez grinned.?.”That dumpster down the street behind the 7-11 where I tossed the gun? Perfect spot, couldn’t have drawn it up better”.
      Hahahahahahaha
      Once Hernandez finished talking, detectives entered the room to reveal to him everything he had told them, and told Hernandez that it was all recorded on Camera which caused AH to Lunge for the camera to attempt to destroy the footage which the genius thought was contained inside the camera..
      ..
      officer said “We actually let him smash the camera. We knew it would cost the department some money, but Damn if it wasn’t Hilarious” HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA
      LMFAO This Officer is AWESOME!!!!

  • theycallmerob

    It’s impossible to imagine a bigger mess than last year’s Oline and +/- differential. The Iggs weren’t just bad, they were historically bad in both categrories (I think it was FO or PFW who put up the stats). A regression to the mean would imply an average showing in both, but if the line stays healthy they have the chance to be well-above average.

    Feeling rosy today….I’d take the “over” at 7 wins right now.

    • Richard Colton

      yeah, me too. but I think its time to do some metacognitive work. Every July, I look at the previous draft and free agent signings and say “Vegas is crazy, there’s no way the birds don’t win XXX games!”

      • GEagle

        IM the same way which is so odd when I think about it…we are so cynical. I have No problem thinking the Phil’s, flyers or sixers are going to suck…but even this year I have managed to think we have a chance at being good…which is crazy, because I don’t recall us all talking like this in Febuary

        • JofreyRice

          were you banned in February?

  • Mr. Wu

    I think the birds could have a playoff caliber offense this year if #7 starts. I don’t see that happening with Foles, at least not this year. I know it’s popular to hate Vick these days but I think he still got a couple of seasons left in the tank if put in the right situation and as of now I have no doubt that he is easily the best QB we have. However if you agreed with my opinion, for arguments sake, and wanted to start vick you also have to consider:
    1)Even if Vick starts this year he will prob be gone by next year so is it worth spending the time on him.
    2)This defense is such a question mark though that we could have “the greatest show on turf #2″ and it still might not matter.(but who knows maybe this is Billy Davis’ time)

    • theycallmerob

      Well said, Wu. No one in their right mind can say Vick doesn’t have flaws; but, if he can execute what we all believe to be Chip’s offense, he is absolutely the best weapon.

      And to add one more point: (3) Vick would have to overcome 2 large intangibles unrelated to his “physical talents”- his inability to stay healthy, and recent fumbling issues. The turnovers are something Kelly has no patience for.

    • Adam

      No one argues that Vick is most likely the most talented QB on the team. He’s got a cannon for an arm and is still really fast, although he has lost a step for sure. The problem lies in the fact that Vick’s biggest weaknesses: 1) his inability to read defenses well, 2) his turnovers via fumbles and interceptions, and 3)his predisposition to hold on to the ball for far too long, creating sacks and turnovers are all traits that Chip Kelly will not put up with in his quarterback. Vick is used to playing in a system where he is the playmaker, he makes the big plays and the big runs. This will be complete opposite for Chip. His QB is a game manager and a distributor.

      Many will argue that Foles showed many of these traits last year as well. Fair point, but with a rookie like Foles it may be more fixable, whereas Vick has been showing these signs for his entire career and I highly doubt he’s able to change them now.

      Andy Reid went all in with Vick so when Vick struggled he had no choice but to let him ride it out. Mark my words, this will not be the case this year. Vick will be on the thinnest of ice and will be benched without question if he does not show improvement. Can you really have a 32 year old QB improve week in and week out on mistakes he’s been making his whole career? I just don’t think so.

      Another thing to consider is that, if the QB competition is even remotely close, even if Vick looks slightly better, why wouldn’t you just go with the young guy? Go with a guy who hasn’t come close to reaching his ceiling yet, which could be Barkley or Foles, I don’t know.

      Personally, I believe that any snaps Vick takes next year is a wasted snap. It does nothing to contribute to long term development of the team. But that’s just my opinion.

    • Richard Colton

      good post. for me, the most important question you pose is #1. Is he the long term solution? Between age, contract, injury history, past failure to adapt when opposing defenses figure him out, my guess is no.

  • Dr Rick

    I think Donovan was more qualified as a QB than as a commentator.

  • xlGmanlx

    I don’t get al the speculation about who is going to win the starting job. If 7 wins it, we know for a fact, statistics show he isn’t going to go a full 16. We KNOW there is going to be another starting QB during the season. I’m not worried about that. I personally am not going into this season with any expectations and just want to let the season unfold. I just want to see progression of the players drafted last year and hope this years rooks look as projected. If you start nailing draft classes and have good coaches, the rest is just time, luck and injuries.

    If 7 can still ball, I say you get what you can for him. He has been a warrior for the igg’s but like it or not, they need younger talent and draft picks. A good team loses a starting QB, he might suddenly become a hot commodity.

  • cliff henny

    always room for a 3rd and 5 guy. have to move the chains. this idea that kelly wont ever sub is off. he wont if it’s working. but if it’s 3rd and 8 and he has in big package, he’ll sub. if he’s rolling 1st downs and 3rd and1′s, he wont.

  • theycallmerob

    I hear you…again, that’s my “dream” scenario (just to see that giant in the red zone), but yours seems more realistic.

    In any combination, I see most of the teams catches going to: Djax, Mac, Ertz, Shady, Benn (or whoever plays slot), and then a few leftover for Celek and Casey.
    That’s why I’m kind of confused about this whole Coop/Avant debate. After those above, and Kelly’s run-heavy scheme, how many catches are left? Avant is like the perfect WR4/5- he plays inside but can play outside, great run blocker, great route runner, great hands, good special teams play, GREAT teammate/mentor/etc., and wouldn’t complain. I can live with that for 1 more year. I’ll take production over unrealized potential any day.

  • illadelphia21

    What’s w/ it…players and younger players respect it more and are more inclined to listen. There aren’t enough coaches on the team at any given position to get significant 1 on 1 time w/ a player(s) so it does actually help to have a veteran take a player under his wing. And since you talk about keeping guys where they are most effective…when the F has Coop ever been effective on the outside?! Benn, when playing well is a physical WR who has shown the ability to punish DBs. So whether he’s him lined up against a safety vs him lined up against a corner, who tend to be smaller than safeties, is moot. Chip will push as far as he can w/ the Tempo thing, but it won’t be like at Oregon. It’s gonna be less. He will have to make subs and I would expect him to make subs in critical situations, ie if we need a crucial 3rd, rather than just going at 100 mph w/ the next play. Bottom line is that Avant is a better football player than Coop, period point blank! And you can’t honestly say that in 3 yrs of the Coop experiment, you’ve seen other wise.

  • aub32

    DJ2 showed the ability to play in the NFL. Is he a star? That has yet to be seen, but he can definitely play. Also, I am not claiming Coop has unrealized potential. I like what I saw last year. If I get more of that, I’m fine. I guess you can say my argument is less about Cooper specifically. He is indeed a mediocre big WR, but he’s the one we have, and I think that Avant doesn’t have a place on this roster when it comes to seeing time at the WR position. On the flip side, Coop would be my choice to relieve either of the two outside guys in favor of keeping our playmakers in the slot.

  • G_WallyHunter

    Amen to this

  • cliff henny

    sounds about right with reid…a run worked once, well, we tried it, now we dont have to do that again.
    .
    it’s more about his over weight. he has to be able to take multiple hits. and his lack of size and speed is more to how kelly thinks. have 2 guys, one is bigger stronger and faster, maybe more raw, but those measurables will get player a long look.

  • cliff henny

    heard his route running is leaving alot to be desired. can play jump ball with ertz…heck, how great would it be if johnson split wide?! him getting a jump ball would be like us getting rebounds against 4th graders on a 8 foot rim…feel like a giant

  • eaglepete

    totally agree with this in terms of catches, as well Id take Avant all day over Cooper.

  • theycallmerob

    My only issue with DJ2 being the primary slot guy is the run formations.
    Kempski wrote on this from training camp observations, but it appears a pretty standard formation for Kelly is 1 back/4 split wide, 2 on either side to start (pre- motion/audible). Of course, this relies on having good blockers (so guys like Casey and Celek can split wide and still block downfield; to be honest, even Ertz isn’t too shabby in this respect, though he would always have that eye of the safety over top). Shady being a great rec. threat out of the backfield would also keep the LBs honest. Or a CB in zone; but someone has to watch that flat.

    Not only does such a formation, or motion to a bunch, stretch the defense and create Kelly’s desired mismatches, but as long as those guys playing inside of DJax and Mac can block and catch, Chip can avoid the substitutions (as you point out). The DJax/Mac/DJ2 trio scares me a bit on running or bubble plays, where 2 of those guys are blockers.
    Also, think of that formation- just saying, as a WR coming off the bench anyway for something like an injury, Avant can absolutely play either of those WR spots. Best run-blocking receiver on the team before Benn got here.

  • illadelphia21

    Coop did a better job of using his size by catching only 2 jump balls last year, which was better than the previous two years of zero. Still that’s only 1 more in comparison to Avant and his amazing jump ball catch. I get what your saying and I two would rather have a better playmaker than Avant. But Coop is not that guy.

  • cliff henny

    put shep in there instead on dj2, feel alot different. be curious to see the 1st time dj catches a screne and mac waves his guy by how kelly reacts…and it’s going to happen.

  • aub32

    But that’s why Benn can play that role. I can definitely see DJ, Mac, Benn, and Ertz in that formation. And if Ertz goes does, there’s Celeck or Casey. If Benn goes down, there’s Celeck or DJ2. On the flip side, if DJ or Mac go down, who would you put there. Sure you could move Benn or even Ertx, but you would be giving up the mismatch in the middle of the field. DJ2 could go out there, but as you said you’re losing something in regard to blocking, especially on bubble screens. However, with Coop out there, now you keep your inside matchups that you love and have a good blocker outside. Similarly if Benn goes down and DJ2 takes the inside, Coop can be subbed in for Mac to make up for the loss in blocking.

  • G_WallyHunter

    Avant’s ready for a choppy camp too going to be fun to hear how he’s doing. I think he’s got a spot over coop… trade coop or harbour to Belly if he wants them

  • aub32

    First off there’s no limit on the coaching staff. Just as G. Lewis was an assistant WR coach so could Avant or another established vet be. My overall point is that the on the field contribution trumps locker room presence.

    I did not say Benn can’t go against a CB. I said I would prefer him against a LB or S with the ball in space versus a CB, who in almost every case is better at covering, with the help of the sideline.

    You are also missing my point about Avant. I am not saying he is a bad option. He is the 4th option at one spot. Yes he can contribute on STs but no more so than Coop. At the same time Coop would likely be the 3rd or 4th option at WR wherether are two openings. Therefore, he is more likely to see the field at WR. Is he dominant? Not by a long shot. However, he is capable and gives much more in terms of blocking than DJ2 while allowing Benn to stay inside and take advantage of favorable matchups.

    This isn’t a case of me saying Coop is a better football player. This is me saying there’s more need for a guy like Coop ( big, capable, good blocker, athletic) than there is for a slot guy who can’t do much after the catch.

  • theycallmerob

    That’s one reason I could see Mac getting traded; unless he really, really blows us away in camp (which would be great!), all the film says he’s too soft to play for Kelly. Don’t get me wrong, I don’t think we’ll be debating Avant/Cooper again because neither should be on the team next year (at the latest).

    Kelly and Roseman might grab another team’s cut this summer, if they see a physical outside guy. I’m not too concerned giving that role to the WR2, given Kelly’s run game and short passes. We’ve definitely have enough pass-catchers on the team. And I pray Kelly already has someone in mind to draft next year.

  • theycallmerob

    Also…you’re putting a UDFA, who may not make the team, as the starting WR3? Ballsy

  • eaglepete

    yup, I often would yell at my TV for them to target Avant more often. I felt like he was left out of the mix quite a lot, always forcing throws to Celek, Maclin and Djax, meanwhile Avant is better than all of them in traffic. On a side note, it really seemed like Vick would see Cooper on the outside and just decide on a whim, hey Im throwing it to that guy maybe he can make a play instead of seeing a play open up. So many times Cooper just gets balls chucked up to him instead of in stride. That goes back to a Vick seeing the field thing which is plenty over played at this point.

  • Brian

    This is Groundhog Day.

  • aub32

    Agreed. It’s not so much he won’t sub for 3rd down situations as it is whomever is on the field for that 3rd down will likely be required to play the next two downs. That’s what I meant by not having a guy who is strictly a 3rd down guy.

  • cliff henny

    kelly will lose his $h!t when maclin self tackles himself. it’s not a good fit. i dont think kelly’s offense needs both mac and dj. wouldnt shock me if a healthy benn becomes #2 recr. benn also has to catch better.

  • illadelphia21

    He should have been traded at the before the draft or during. I know his career stats are good and all, but I just don’t see the upside to keeping a player w/ 1 yr remaining on his contract that has not shown he could breakout. Are we banking on getting a discount from him and his agent if he does, or hell even if he doesn’t, have a breakout year. That’s not smart business. And if he does breakout, finally, is it a fluke or the real Maclin. 1 out of 4 yrs of playing like a star or #1 WR isn’t good enough for me.

  • theycallmerob

    I’m hoping Benn becomes something of a Hines Ward 2.0 (just as a production doppelganger, though; Baltimore has appropriately endowed me with a hatred for all things Hines Ward related)

  • cliff henny

    probably not…but i’d never run a play that has dj2 and mac blocking for anyone…except coleman, so he’d get blown up. shep is PS bound i bet. give him a yr, see what we get next yr, but i do like him.

  • illadelphia21

    You guys are killing me. You’re actually getting me to argue against measurables…I love measurable. We are not gonna be running our WR’s from the backfield as much as you guys are making it sound. That would be seriously ridiculous to take touches away from Brown and Shady as often as it’s seemingly being talked about. And once again running out of the backfield is not about speed. The speed comes in when your getting past the 2nd level or if its a long sweep to the outside, which those rarely work in the NFL. Plus we are a zone blocking team. One of the advantages of that is that it allows for more cut back lanes.
    You have two guys, 1 is bigger, stronger, faster, and raw the other not so much. Who’s the player you want in the game? Oh, I almost forgot, ones name is Brown, the other is McCoy!

  • cliff henny

    well, need a guy who’ll get you those new downs 1st. think avant might lack speed for slot, but his blocking ability would be nice o early downs. where dj2′s size worries me. not even sure a lbr would know he’s in the way.

  • aub32

    Then who? We are going to need a bigger guy to line up on the outside to help with blocking and rest/injuries. I would prefer to keep Benn in the slot where he can take full advantage of LBs and S. DJ2 can play outside but isn’t big enough to block effectively. Shep and Momah are raw and unproven. That leaves Coop.

  • cliff henny

    not running plays, but jet sweeps and end arounds. mac and jax arent very good at either. how about a play where mccoy motions out wide, send slot into back-field, now we have blitz pickup to worry about, and we will see that play. the other area size matter is slot for blocking on early downs, either screnes or sealing edge. dj2 is just really small.
    .
    i like johnson, his size concerns me. no way around it. hope it works out for him. think he will get early nod, but i’m a shepherd fan (if anything so i can get a shephard-he spells it wrong-for my next german shepherd to wear)

  • illadelphia21

    If we’re talking about a 4th, 5th, and maybe even 6th Wr option, which I would expect avant to be, save for certain plays. Then yes that mentor, not locker room, guy is not trumped. Especially when that guy is a proven productive, best hands on the team player. Coop at the 3rd or 4th option, is a bad option. Coop coming off the bench as the 1st option to take over the outside spot, is a bad option. I’m not missing your point at all, just not agreeing w/ it. I would love to say Coop sucks, but I won’t cause I don’t truly feel that. But he is below average and below mediocre.

  • cliff henny

    i would have bet good money that one of maclin, celek, vick, cole, graham, coleman or allen would have been traded by now. if this was nba, hinski would have done a 3-way trade couple times over by now

  • theycallmerob

    maybe a camp injury on another team? wait for Andy to get the itis from some KC barbecue and send an offer his way?

  • aub32

    That’s why Benn or Ertz would be there. Coop can be packaged with DJ2 as to not lose much in the way of blocking (Mac = DJ2). The same could be done with Avant on the inside and DJ2 , but I would prefer DJ2 inside for matchup purposes, meaning Coop would be needed outside.

  • theycallmerob

    “Replaceable Riley”

  • aub32

    That’s fine of you to feel that way, but who is going to be your 1st and 2nd option off the bench to play outside? You may not like Coop, but he’s what we have.

  • theycallmerob

    Hahaha, aub this is the last I’ll say on it….but why can’t you put Avant in either spot as well? :) He’s shown to be the better blocker.

    And truth be told, I feel we’re 1 WR away anyway (Mac doesn’t fit in this scheme/setting, IMO). And even if he plays out of his mind, him or DJax has to go next year. I say let’s roll the dice now and get some value.

  • illadelphia21

    Aub, put Benn on the outside. He blocks just as we’ll if not better than Coop and jumps higher and is only an inch shorter. There is not a S or LB in this league that DJ2 can’t take advantage of from the slot position. Or you can even bring in Celeck to line up as a TE and put Ertz in the slot I you want to capitalize on a 3 wide single back run.

  • Dutch

    No, that doesn’t leave Cooper, he hasn’t been that in his previous years with the Eagles, and wasn’t playing that role in college. Cooper is at best a project that to this point hasn’t earned his position and by all that’s right should have easily been replaced if obtaining a quality backup receiver was a priority for the Eagles.

    Cooper will never be effective in the NFL so long as he shys away from contact. Marcus Colston is about the same size and has similar speed as Cooper but Colston is a constant threat because he fights defenders for the ball and plays over the middle. He has the willingness that Cooper doesn’t.

  • illadelphia21

    Benn

  • illadelphia21

    I wish. Honestly believed we could have and should have gotten a 2nd for Mac. Reid doesn’t have anymore picks to give away and he’ll never part w/ his 1st

  • theycallmerob

    At this point, I’d take like a 3rd and 5th, or maybe 3rd and another pick in ’15. I realize the value is low, but I agree with what you said above re: the “downside” to him doing great this year. I just don’t see him on the team next year.

  • cliff henny

    that defeats purpose of having coop/dj2 if coop goes out dj2 in. there is no way to slice it, dj2 size is an issue. hope they can work around it, but i wont be shocked if he’s a good player but wrong scheme. wrs have to be able to block to play for kelly, and we already have 1 that wont (maclin) and d-jax shouldnt be blocking, he should have the ball.
    .

  • aub32

    I view Avant as a liability outside, and inside I would much rather have the ball go to Benn, DJ2, Ertz, or even Celeck. Ideally I would love to have a solid big WR opposite DJax, but I can only work with what’s on the team. I disagree with you about Mac. He is talented, and if he pushes this year, and reaches that talent, then I trust Howie to find a way to keep both he and DJ. Hell, if you and others are right about Vick, who will we be paying? Cole and Meco are on the way out or restructure. The O line is signed through 2014. And even if we draft a new QB, he will only be making 5 mill a year per the new CBA.

  • Dutch

    What kind of passing attack does Kelly favor, what’s the exact attack for this “Scheme” ? All the discussion about slot receivers is moot being Kelly is loading up for a two tight end attack and he’s never been an air it out kind of coach he’s a committed run first guy.

    At present the Eagles have limited options at receiver to formulate a valid possession style passing attack which requires receivers who can actually catch between the seams in coverage and exploit intermediate and short area attack patterns. Kelly’s offense doesn’t ever intend to throw for 40 yds when 4 will do on a play just fine.

  • illadelphia21

    That’s why there are sub packages. This size thing is ridiculous. And even in a huddle situation, plays will not be called that allow for our O to be out matched by the D. So there’s no way in hell that a smart coach is going to motion McCoy out while sending DJ2 in the backfield to block. And how many times are end around and jet sweeps ran a game?! This is start to boarder on the absurd. Like all smart coaches Chip will call plays for the personnel he has on the field and not force them to do insane things. And just cause Shepard is “bigger” doesn’t mean he knows how to block for shit at this level. You could put him in the backfield and watch him easily get destroyed, and then our qb destroyed, by DL, LBs, and DBs.

  • aub32

    That doesn’t really make an argument for Avant. And if any WR goes down, there’s a much bigger case that Coop will be needed before Avant.

  • illadelphia21

    I thought I already made my arguments for Avant. Coop is ass when compared to him, and a couple more insightful points. :-) You asked a specific question so I answered it.

  • aub32

    That’s one option. I said first or 2nd. Also, playing Coop outside allows Benn to remain inside, not to mention forms a very good blocking tandem.

  • cliff henny

    shep is a good blocker, was at lsu. and that play was run often at oregon, so, it’s not a crazy play. james would motion out and thomas would replace him, it f’d up the defense assignment to no end. worked well and often. dont think either dj2 or shep have the ability of DAT, though, so yes, kelly will have to adapt. seeing how we’ve seen zero plays, alot of what i’m going off of was his offense at oregon.

    jet sweeps and end around are run lot more often by kelly than reid. DAT was dj2 at oregon, he was used in many different ways. he was more rb than wr and think our slot will be more wr than rb, but having a slot guy that can do both really stresses defense.

  • GEagle

    Silly fools lol. Although I like MJ, not giving up on graham yet

  • cliff henny

    he sounds like a dion jordan clone. must admit, name didnt ring a bell, but dont follow cinci

  • aub32

    Even as an OLB? As a DE I’m with you, but I am very nervous of him playing OLB.

  • illadelphia21

    And that’s the thing here. This isn’t college. Kelly will be able to implement some things and some things he won’t be able to. NFL defenses are a whole lot faster than most at the college level and while reverses and jet sweeps are used to try to take advantage of that speed, they seldomlu work as much as they do on the college level. W/ DJ2′s explosiveness, there is no reason why he can’t be as effective as Shepard on those type of plays. And the bigger body argument doesn’t apply cause on those plays you’re avoiding the D rather then running through them.

  • JofreyRice

    I think Jason Avant’s career long catch is like 16 yards.

  • JofreyRice

    It’s funny, because if you remember back to the TC in 2010–when Kolb was the starter, and Vick the backup, just about every TC report had some mention of a Vick-to-Cooper bomb. Now, my clearest memory of Vick to Cooper is an underthrown ball at the end of the GB playoff game that Cooper didn’t break up and Tramon Williams picked.

  • cliff henny

    i agree on the individual play…but there’s 16 games. and kelly will ask his wrs to be slightly more physical than reid, which outside of avant was not existant. i also worry about dj2 size on running plays. the overall toll is more of my concern, but dj2 has been undersized his whole life and does seems to have figured it out.
    .
    it’s tough to know what kelly will bring and what he’ll leave behind, but that DAT position was pretty badass, sure he’s trying to figure out how to make that work.

  • illadelphia21

    Funniest Comment all day!

  • illadelphia21

    Really, even more so then Graham? I’m curious, care to elaborate?

  • G_WallyHunter

    TB game, that unreal catch on a well placed sideline toss from Foles, like 25 yards? at least

  • G_WallyHunter

    I think Ertz will thrive, he’s known for his catching abilities, needs to work on the blocking (so i heard). The guy’s real smart too, graduated with degree in management science and engineering, he will pick up the concepts and schemes and playbook pretty quickly…. 6 foot 5 250 lol hopefully going to be (dare I say it) the next Gronk… He may be a valuable waiver wire pickup come week 2 or 3

  • Dutch

    This argument is or would only be effective if it were made regarding a “Progression Read Offense” Kelly has never ran a progression read offense and it’s not expected he’s going to begin now with the Eagles.

    There will be a few routes that all receivers can run out of any formation, The routes are meant to duplicate each other creating mismatches to be exploited. The headache for a defense is for any one of Kelly’s formations there are 6 to 8 plays and then the reversals that can be run. So that a bubble screen formation can also accommodate the deep out or some dive play inside with the same possibilities of success depending on how the defense is playing the formation.

  • theycallmerob

    haha, I believe you mean “July”

  • Brian

    Training camp needs to get here. FAST.

  • theycallmerob

    IMO, coverage was a big part of the ST failures. I still think DJ2 has the ability, and more importantly, the mindset to KR/PR

  • Dutch

    Benn is a longshot to make the Eagles, he would have been cut by Tampa Bay had no suitors become available to move him. He has speed over Avant and it’s expected if he gets on the field for the Eagles he would be cutting into Avant’s time. The other forecast is that Cooper won’t be around come september. Cooper is not expected to survive any open competition for a roster space.

    But let’s not get away from the mere fact that Benn is a longshot dark horse to make the Eagles.

  • theycallmerob

    I think he meant Graham

  • theycallmerob

    You’re delusional. We don’t need Avant or Benn to catch balls- that’s what Djax, Maclin, Ertz, Shady, Celek, and Casey are for (probably in that order, or close to it). What we really need is that dominant, physical blocking WR for the short passes and middle check-downs. I love Avant and his hands, but Benn fits the Kelly mold perfectly. I would not be surprised if he sees the most snaps of any WR after Djax and Mac (though I’m still hoping Mac gets traded at some point).

  • theycallmerob

    ….which is why I’m advocating for a blocking WR. Can you read, or do you choose not to?

  • Mr. Wu

    Djax ain’t moving. CK is having wet dreams about using him.

  • Dutch

    Benn since being in the NFL is a player of no consequence and he was slated to be axed from the Tampa Bay payroll had they not traded him to the Eagles for a 6th round pick.

    Benn will probably not make the Eagles team this year, not if indeed it’s an open competition affair.

    Benn is another in the long list of castoffs and longshot signees Howie located and brought into OTAs. The Eagles offense is without the guys currently brought into camp for bodies, a solid team offense now that the Offensive Line is healthy. Given Kelly’s fetish for running the ball there isn’t much he needs to do to get the offense ready for the season.

    However, it’s a pure fantasy to believe Kelly is going to be equally innovate in the passing game. He’s not a passing coach and Pat Shumur is a guru in WCO passing patterns. The Eagles don’t have WCO receivers on their roster. The most certainly have a QB that can run a WCO passing attack in Matt Barkley but not the receivers to accommodate a WCO Attack.

  • Dutch

    Avant is one of the better if not best blocking WR in the game today. A lot of what Avant does flys under the radar and is omitted from the box score and highlights. With two tight ends, it’s better to line Avant up outside to block defensive back rather than inside to face him off with a safety or linebacker. Beside in a zone blocking scheme he’s not needed in the inside he’ll eventually be in the way of linemen coming off their combination blocks in targeting linebackers and safeties on the second level.

    Avant is capable of holding his own outside blocking, of that there’s no question.

  • theycallmerob

    “With two tight ends, it’s better to line Avant up outside to block
    defensive back rather than inside to face him off with a safety or
    linebacker.”

    I could not agree more with that sentence. In fact, seeing as how we’re not winning the super bowl this year, if Maclin were to be traded I think the aforementioned scenario would do just fine.

  • JofreyRice

    OK, OK, I was exaggerating a little. He’s not really that big play receiver though. Steady, reliable, and bails out QB’s with ridiculous catches? yes. Stretching the field and making a defense pay? Nah.

  • theycallmerob

    But look at the true “pass catchers” in this offense, especially with (1) Kelly’s hand-picked 2nd rd. choice, Jimmy Graham 2.0, and (2) a RB who can catch out of the backfield. Steady, reliable, and bails out QB’s + excellent run-blocking is exactly what you need from WR4. Whoever does end up earning that slot is still only catching 35-50 balls this year.

  • G_WallyHunter

    lol ya I know… i was just playin. I don’t think he’s ever stretched the field, imagine the sight of Avant bringing in a 60 yard bomb, very funny sight. I’m sure he has in early years, but in the last 5? nadda

  • Dutch

    Trading Maclin essentially shuts the door on Jackson. Jackson is still until it’s proven he doesn’t have to be double covered generally in a two deep zone. Without Maclin who can sometimes come away with a catch and yards after the catch, there’s not reason to ever focus attention on the rest of the receivers in the Eagles stable other than Avant deep into the play, because that’s where Avant 9 times out of 10 is going to hurt a defense.

    Kelly can trade Maclin if he has the gonads, but there’s going to be severe consequences to his offensive attack and he’ll never keep a defense honest. Pat Shumur isn’t devising a WCO Passing Attack just to be legitimizing the Eagles offense, there’s going to be some use for Maclin, the entire offense can’t survive on bubble screens to D Jax and quick hits over the middle to Johnson. Maclin adds balance to a down field attack or at the very least gives the threat of a down field attack which loosens up the box for shady to exploit.

    Playing the Eagles is as simple as stopping Shady and doubling Jackson deep, if you’re even considering benching Vick there’s no reason for a defense to hesitate when it comes to defending against shady, Vick’s not there to keep the ball and head around the end.

  • Dutch

    I don’t see much wrong with Maclin’s game other than alternative routes. He needs something other than the 9 and 6 route option he was reduced to under Andy Reid. Maclin at times should be lined up inside and run outs instead of focusing him across the middle. He need new routes to run sprinkled in with a screen every now and then. Stop lining him and Jackson up outside and being predictable

  • Mr. Wu

    well our back end is the real problem. I am not too high on Davis at all. Have a bad feeling about our D as a whole. Hopefully my intuition about him is as reliable as the lottery numbers I pick.

  • Mr. Wu

    I don’t think it’s that simple anymore. Especially with these TE sets CK is putting together. I think this offence is going to be really hard to stop this year ….as long as our line stays healthy that is.

  • dutch

    I think the Offense is going to be as explosive as it ever was provided we have legitimate down field passing options defenses have to defend. Without suitable options downfield, most all teams will only have to contend with reinforcing the 7 defenders up front. I never see Celek as a threat in the middle of the field with a defender in his face, but I hope Ertz changes that perception and unseats Celek as a primary option in another year. At this point I am not looking for any major contribution from Casey or any of the free agent signees from 2013. I’ve not seen in his past where he comes as a legitimate pass catching and route running tight end.

  • Mr. Wu

    I am so sick of speculating…hahaha…..damn you september you are so far away

  • Dutch

    The offense will be a force in the division and conference. It’s the defense were the concerns are valid. Barkley and Shumur are a match made in Football Heaven. The biggest if surrounds Bryce Brown’s growth from last year and his potential to secure the ball.

    Shady may have better than 1400 rushing yds this year. If the Eagles defense can hold teams to 24 pts, the Eagles offense with a healthy offensive line could take the team to 9-7 easy

  • Dr. Rick

    Dutch,

    Yes, CK at Orygun would do all kinds of stuff that mixed up the concepts of 2 TEs or slot receivers. He would line up a RB as a slot receiver, or as a tight end, and run one TE and a slot, ore a RB as a slot and a TE as a RB, all kinds of stuff. Not to say that he will do the same thing as an Eagle, just that he has done it before.

    I think some constants from OR to the Eagles will be Zone blocking with some sort of read, and lots of mixing up of receivers, all of whom need to be able to block downfield.

    I predict only a couple of things. First, if Mike holds the ball too long Chip will pull him, and 2nd, if the receivers don’t block they will not play.

  • Bob

    IS cooper stil PS eligible?

  • JofreyRice

    Jimmy Graham 2.0? Can’t say I’m sure Ertz is going to be a 1200yard, 10-15 touchdown threat like that. He’s not nearly as fast as Graham, nor is he anywhere near as athletic. To me he wins with savvy, polished route running and versatility.

    Anyway I like Avant–particularly over Cooper. I was more or less just trying to characterize what Avant is, more than make a judgment on it, one way or the other. It seemed like OregonDucker thought Avant was some kind of big play threat.

  • borntosuffer

    Agree on Cooper – except he is a top special teams’ player. He blocks well, but so does Avant. Maybe with the added LB’s, Cooper’s special team’s value won’t mean as much.

  • GEagle

    Donovan is a FOCKin Idiot. I never seen someone so stupid that everything he says pisses people off. First of All, Donovan needs to wake the F up and understand that the Lions aren’t paying Stafford for his past loses…they are paying him this money for what they think he can do in the FUTURE…..btw, Stafford in his young, underwhelming career has already proven to be more clutch then Donovan. Say what you will about Stafford, but when the 4th quarter rolls around, that dude turns it up a notch and Always gets his team back in the game…Stafford isn’t an Elte QB yet, but he plays his BEST ball in the 4th quarter…and I doubt we can say the same thing about McHater

    I’m really excited about Sam Bradford….I expect a breakout year from him, and the Rams are really putting together an exciting roster

  • MAC

    I agree with your point completely on McNabb. Most people I know seem to think that McNabb comes off as a hater on NFL network. They see him constantly saying QB’s are not good enough to be paid that much $ like he did with Stafford. At first I defended McNabb, but the more he makes comments like this I can’t. He comes off as bitter it seems. I mean he can say it’s all about wins and losses with Stafford, but come on Stafford doesn’t seem to be the issue. In the NFL when you find a franchise QB you pay him. Everytime a true Franchise QB gets a contract he is briefly paid as a top 5 guy until the next QB’s get paid. McNabb should understand that. I am sure most Eagle fans would happily pay Stafford $17 million per to be our QB. Also most QB’s that are analyst promote getting other QB’s paid. McNabb sounds jealous and I wish he didn’t. I am one of the minority that was a big McNabb fan when he was here.

    Last thing though, Desean is a great deep threat and does put the fear into the defense. However to say he is as good of deep threat as there is in my opinion is off. Yes speed wise he scares DB’s to death, but I think bigger guys that can get deep and make the catch even while covered scare defenses more, Desean as a deep threat in my opinion does not compare to Megatron going deep, Megatron you could run stride for stride but when ball is in the air he will win.

  • nicksaenz1

    Oh, you must mean in the 4th quarter like against our beloved birds…. I loved Donovan in green. I can’t stand him in a suit with a mic.

  • GEagle

    Donovan was the best QB I ever had the pleasure of rooting for, but I swear that there is LITERALLY, NO ONE I despise behind a Mic more then Donovan…He is unwatchable to me. I see him on TV, and I race to change the channel as fast as I can….how is he so dumb. His stupid mouth has been getting him ini trouble for almost 15years….How has he not LEARNED ANYTHING yet? he has had publicist who coach him, and he still can’t manage to not make people hate him when he opens his mouth…..It’s one of the weirdest Dynamics I have ever seen in sports….best QB this city has ever had, yet he is DESPISED!!! So Odd, especially considering he is a good dude, who never gets in trouble with police, squeaky clean…yet most of us can’t stand him

  • Johnny Domino

    Paired with Mark Malone, they are unlistenable on NBC Sports radio.

  • nicksaenz1

    Being squeaky clean doesn’t mean your opinions don’t suck.

  • Brian

    Agreed. I have no reason to dislike him personally, but seeing/hearing him speak is like nails on a chalkboard.

  • GEagle

    case in Point….McFool

  • GEagle

    Dude…please read what I posted about Hernandez above,..you will Die Colt

  • Richard Colton

    some of his tweets are unintentionally funny. “looks like Aaron Hernandez’s career might be over. what do you think?” good observation D-Mac, way to put yourself out there.

  • GEagle

    I was shocked to hear McNabb talk about Vick turnovers and state that he thinks Foles would be better for this Chip Kelly offense…FOCK!!! Now I probably have to think EVERYTHING, start rooting for Vick to start and Foles to be traded. Damn you Donovan!!! You always ruin everything for me lol

  • Richard Colton

    is that a true story?

  • GEagle

    From what I’m undstanding it is….I didn’t make it up. it talks about this being in official court documents..

    If that story is TRUE, I might be one of the greatest things I have ever heard!!!

  • cliff henny

    if this is true, than we need to ‘north korea 3 generations’ everyone related to Hernandez. anyone this stupid need to have his bloodlines cleaned and cleared

  • Richard Colton

    just looked at the article – it’s a satire piece. Funny, but fake.

  • TopherC

    I understand some of the sentiment expressed here—that Donovan has become a bit of a whiner since his playing days. I don’t disagree with that entirely, but it seems a few things are getting lost here in the commentary.

    1.) Donovan is a paid radio analyst with a
    drive-time show for NBC Sports. His job is to express his opinions and the more controversial the better.

    2.) He never once said that quarterbacks are paid
    too much or that his era was under-compensated.
    I disagree that it comes across as whining in this instance. His main point is that Matthew Stafford is not a top-5 quarterback in the NFL (his salary now puts him as the 6th highest paid quarterback). Is Donovan wrong? Would anyone dispute that Matthew Stafford is not currently, and probably will not be in the future, a top 5 NFL quarterback?

    3.) The narrative around Donovan McNabb lacking the
    ability to deliver in the clutch is overplayed. It’s based solely on the inability of his team to win the Super Bowl. Based on that, the assertion that Matthew Stafford is more of a clutch quarterback than Donovan is off base. In his career, Donovan played in 16 playoff games and won 9. Matthew Stafford has
    played in 1 and he lost it. Donovan led 17 fourth quarter comebacks in his career (1.3 per season) and 25 game winning drives (1.92 per season played). Matthew Stafford has led 8 and 9 respectively (both 2 per season). At best, we don’t have nearly enough information to make a determination on who is the better clutch quarterback. On top of that; game-winning drives and comebacks are a dependent statistic in that they require your team to be behind. Donovan played on a lot of good teams, Matthew Stafford has not.

    Ultimately, I too agree that Donovan sometimes veers into
    whiner territory, particularly in his post-playing days. However, he is such a lightening-rod in this town that people often ignore facts when the topic of Donovan McNabb comes up
    in conversation.

  • Richard Colton

    interesting hypothetical Aub. Just looking at Jaw’s list – that would give us a Jay Cutler or RGIII for three years, with no dropoff even at 35. If that was the case, I’d say yes.

  • Gary

    Of course, but that’s setting the bar extremely high for Vick.

  • Adam

    I’m not sure what the big deal is with this extension. It needed to be done. Stafford’s cap number was ridiculous. What other choice did they have? Let him walk? Is there really any better options out there? I’d take Stafford on our team in a heartbeat. The kid is 25 and has put up beastly numbers. While I understand his record doesn’t reflect that, there are really a plethora of reasons why the Lions couldn’t win.

  • JofreyRice

    Right, since McNabb seems to put the Wins and Losses on the QB only, is he accepting full responsibility for the Superbowl loss?

    I appreciate what he did for the team, but as time passes and my fondness for him doesn’t grow, I realize I just don’t really like his personality all that much; bitter, passive-aggressive & overly sensitive.