Paging Stephen Starr: Great Restaurant Space Up for Grabs on Independence Mall

You may have read by now that the Dow Chemical Company is putting its historic–yes, historic; it’s listed on the National Register–office building on Independence Mall up for sale once again.

Rohm and Haas built the building in 1965 as its headquarters, and the building designed by Pietro Belluschi and George M. Ewing Co. (now EwingCole) is considered a Modernist masterpiece.

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It could also be a great place to eat. The Philadelphia Business Journal reported that besides putting the building back on the market – Dow had tried to sell it when it acquired Rohm and Haas in 2009 – the agent handling the listing, Robert Fahey of CBRE, is recommending its lobby space to would-be buyers as a retail opportunity, and in the south lobby is a 10,000-square-foot space equipped for food service.

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As it’s fitted out as a corporate cafeteria, it’s probably no surprise that few members of the public know of its existence. But the space already has the elements of a great restaurant interior, starting with those cruciform icicle lights and extending to those floor-to-ceiling windows.

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It also has an outdoor terrace. Though the Journal describes the cafeteria as open to the public, the outdoor terrace at least is marked for use by building tenants only.

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Fahey says the lobby spaces would be ideal for a bank or other retailer. Seems somebody else agreed some time back: over the cafeteria’s terrace entrance, one can make out the ghost of a First Fidelity Bank sign. That bank disappeared several mergers ago, and we guess the cafeteria, which has no name, took the bank branch’s place.

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  • Nicholas Disilvestro

    I really can’t see him handling be the back up well. You saw glimpses of his feelings towards the end of OTA’s in his interview with Mosher. He wouldn’t take it very well…he’s been in the league for 10 years and I dont think he views himself as the backup. If he doesn’t start cut him or take whatever you can get. Find out what the young guys have, and if they both suck get your qb in next years draft.

    • Mr. Wu

      Those comments were in contempt of the media not CK, it was obvious when it happened and is obvious now. He was just sick of answering the question. It’s totally media driven and you drink it up like kool aid. Some of you guys hate 7 so much you will apply any “facts” you deem necessary to rationalize your opinions that Vick should be gone from the eagles. I totally get why you wouldn’t want Vick here, but stop perpetuating nonsense. Me personally I think the problem with keeping Vick as a backup is how the rest of the locker room would handle it, not how Vick would handle it. It may cause the locker room to split and backfire on Kelly. That said, Kelly will make his decisions soon enough.

      • Nicholas Disilvestro

        Mosher asked him a question, he answered it. He gave the SAME answer even after he asked him if he wanted him to put what he said in his article. I’m not sure why you view at as “nonsense”. Maybe its not the answer YOU wanted, but its the one he gave. Get over it. He doesn’t want to be a backup. I don’t blame him. And I do agree with keeping him would prob not be good for the locker room, because there are certain people on this team that are extremely loyal to him.

        I don’t hate Vick. I think he’s a career under achiever that got by on his athletic skills that have eroded over time. I don’t see how pointing out what he said in an interview and the fact that he is a average to below average injury prone qb is “hating” on him. I guess fanboys have a different definition of hate.

        • Dutch

          Mosher as many of the philly beat writers abbreviated Vick’s comments. Mosher omitted the portion of the statement where Vick expanded he was getting tired of answer the same question presented by the press corp.

          Mosher used parts of that statement to milk material for his articles.

          • Nicholas Disilvestro

            He printed what he said. Then asked him if this is what he wanted him to put in his article before he printed it. I guess Mosher just has a personal vendetta against Mike. Stupid angry Mosher making him look bad by printing what he said. How dare he?

          • Dutch

            It’s Mosher the reporter who Vick had that testy exchange with on one of the Philly talk radio shows last year, 95 something?

            Something in regards to Mosher not being sanitary enough as an individual to cast judgement ?

            That being the case. It makes sense Vick would be growing tired of the same question from the same individuals. Contempt of the media makes more sense here.

          • Nicholas Disilvestro

            Mosher works for comcast. As far as I know he never had any type of nasty exchange with anyone. I know there are a lot of idiot reporters in this town but he really doesn’t seem like one of them. If he was I really don’t think he would have asked him twice if this was what he wanted to be put in the article.

          • Dutch

            No, I didn’t say nasty, but testy exchange behind making a unnecessary comment about Vick and the charges which sent him to prison…. Many of the local beat writers are featured on philly talk radio programs so it’s not out of the ordinary he would be in the studio when Vick was there for an on air interview. He like many others in Philly seem to reflect in their writing some ax to grind against Vick.

          • MV7

            I’ve been saying that the whole time. I think they’re all biased. The only one I’ve seen be fair is Shiel, and that ain’t no “d” riding either. Mclane, Bowen, hell all of the guys at philly.com, it’s so obvious. If Shiel is biased, he’s a pro at disguising it.

          • Dutch

            The Area writers share the same information, Mosher supposedly got the comment but directly after the alleged comment was sliced and diced most every reporter with a pen in Philly was referencing that butchered comment in their articles. It was not 3 days before every paper and blog in Philly was sourcing that quote.

            It’s like they all meet at the bar and agree to a theme. Outside of the kid Sheil there isn’t an original writers in the lot, you read one you’ve read them all, at least ‘most” all of those with a Penn State background.

          • MV7

            Exactly

        • Mr. Wu

          if you read or heard the comments in total instead of the soundbite you would realize that he answered that way because he was sick of answering the question over and over again which brought on the reply “I hope he makes a decision soon”. There is nothing wrong with quoting him to make a point, but you have to understand the context. It did happen at the end of OTA’s where the media needs a story to write about through the dead time until camp., and to the media’s cradit it worked out pretty well I would say.

          • Nicholas Disilvestro

            Can you find me the interview the whole interview then? I’m not trying to be a dick, but I would like to see what exactly was taken out of context.

          • Mr. Wu

            I dont know where the video is I saw but here:

            “Hopefully, (coach) Chip (Kelly) makes a decision before training camp, and we won’t have to answer that question,” Vick told Comcast SportsNet Philadelphia on Thursday, “so we can go out there as quarterbacks and just focus on this season and not answer questions about competition every day.”

            “I won’t want to continue to answer those questions,” Vick said. “I won’t continue to answer those questions until Chip makes a decision.”

            http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000209995/article/michael-vick-hopes-chip-kelly-picks-eagles-qb-by-camp

            the best I could find offhand but anyway you can see how that can be misconstrude right? Am I wrong??

          • Dutch

            I heard a podcast of the exchange……. I can’t remember seeing a video but it was worth the research. Once you heard the exchange between Mosher and Vick it was evident that the local writers in Philly were using that quote applying their own emphasis to fit their narratives.

            It could not have been mistaken by a listener for Vick putting pressure on Kelly to name him starter.

            I also agree with you. It’s not important that should Vick not be named starter he has bruised feelings and a dented ego, but the carry over to the veterans in that locker room has a potential to be an explosive issue. I don’t think losing with Vick on the bench is going to go well with Eagles veterans.

          • Nicholas Disilvestro

            The only “heated” exchange Vick ever had on the radio as far as I know was with Anthony Gargano on WIP. It wasnt anything personal, he asked Vick about turnovers and Vick said something to the effect that since he didn’t play football he really didn’t know what he was talking about:

            http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2012/06/01/michael-vick-says-he-will-play-more-disciplined-but-asks-how-can-i-play-the-game-of-football-and-not-get-hit-as-much/

          • Nicholas Disilvestro

            I found the article I was talking about. Read it and see if you think he would handle being the backup well. Its obvious hes tired of answering the same question over and over but he still made it clear he wanted a starter named before camp. I don’t blame him, but I dont think he would like being the backup qb…especially if in his mind he outplays Foles. It seems like you said the same in your initial reply to me.

            http://www.csnphilly.com/football-philadelphia-eagles/mike-vick-wants-starter-named-camp

          • Mr. Wu

            I read it in june….and I just read it again now and all it does is solidify my point…..there are no quotes in there about him being a back up. AND NO QUOTES OF HIM SAYING THAT HE DEMANDS KELLY NAME A STARTER. You should read it again yourself. Mosher implies it, Vick doesn’t say it. Think for yourself man

          • Nicholas Disilvestro

            I think you left your caps lock on. I never said anything about him being the back up other than that I personally don’t think he would handle it well. Just to clarify for you again, I personally do not think he would like being a back up qb at this point in his career. Ok, do we got that out of that way? I also never said he “Demanded” Chip name a starter.

            Here are some quotes from the article to support what I said. Please tell me what you find that was taken out of context:

            “Hopefully, Chip makes a decision before training camp and we won’t have to answer that question,” Vick told CSNPhilly.com,”

            “A few moments later, Vick was approached again to make sure he understood that his comments were on the record. He responded by asking the reporter to print his request that Kelly settle on a starter before camp to avoid the rampant speculation.”

          • Mr. Wu

            That second quote is a Mosher quote not a Vick quote you do realize. Yes?
            hahaha….are you for real?? I dunno …I give up man….believe what you want….do you buddy lmao

          • Nicholas Disilvestro

            Great rebuttal. Go play Madden and leave the adults alone.

      • Joe Jones

        Some people think if they repeat their opinions over and over and over again, it somehow becomes factual. “The anybody but Vick” sentiment is so strong on these boards that anything that is reported/rumored regarding Vick leads to one conclusion: Cut Vick.

        Of course, this is a flawed line of thinking. Chip Kelly had every opportunity to cut Vick in February/March. He reviewed the tape, spoke to Michael, and decided not to. If Nick Foles is as good as the media and the fans on blogs suggest he is, Vick would have been cut and the Eagles would have their franchise QB of the future. However, reality is that despite the Foles cheerleading that takes place amongst the media and fans, Foles really wasnt that good by almost any objective standard you wanna measure him by. QBR? 45.1 which ranked him 28th. How bout YPA? 6.4 which ranked him 29th.

        Of course, when discussing Foles, you have to apply all the subjective criteria in his favor, “no O line,” “he’s a rookie.” Blah blah blah.

        Nick Foles earned the right to compete for the job…..thats it. If he proves that he’s the best QB on the team, he will have the job. All the whining and crying about Vick is probably fear that their boy Foles cant beat out Vick. If Vick is as bad as the idiots on this boards say he is, why cant Chip Kelly see that? Why is Chip Kelly wasting valuable preparation time on a guy who shouldnt be on the team, let alone being in consideration for the most important position on the team?

        • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

          “Nick Foles earned the right to compete for the job…..thats it. If he
          proves that he’s the best QB on the team, he will have the job. All the
          whining and crying about Vick is probably fear that their boy Foles cant
          beat out Vick.”

          AMEN

          AND if folk had the confidence they claim to have in Foles than they should all be sitting back and popping popcorn…’cause lets’s be real if Foles is as good as many of these guys claim and Vick is as bad…it should be a breeze for Foles. No worries.

          • Joe Jones

            “popping popcorn…….” Hilarious cause its so true. Foles is so promising and Vick sucks and should be cut immediately….doesnt sound like much of a competition…..

        • MV7

          One of the realest posts that I’ve seen on this site. And it’s not about being a “fan boy”. Alot of these “fans” on here haven’t WATCHED the games…they “watched” them…and then complain lol. Vick has his part in this too. But coaching, playcalling, and players playing well around the QB. People get caught up and think it’s all about the QB and it’s not. To add on to what you said, these “fans” on these boards call Chip a “visionary”…etc etc etc, but that vision allowed him to see that he has #7 on his team…for cheap..with his back against the wall. Put him in lol. If Nicks steps up, good on him, but the thing that you fans complained about (and myself)…”Vick, slide!! Get down!!” “You compete too hard..get down..you’re dumb” Yeah you said it. Vick is not Manning and never will be, but QBs are unique and should be different..people dont’ appreciate that and that’s sad.

          People complained about B.Sanders, Vick reminds me of him..as far as INSTINCT..IMPROV. It’s fun to watch. And he can win

        • MV7

          Now you have to remember, these “fans” that you are talking about are smarter than Chip Kelly, the visionary as they call him. Please don’t forget that :)

          • MV7

            I guess I need to correct myself before the “moderators” come. I mean visionary in a good way. That’s what you guys call him. I’m just interested to see how it’s gonna look.

  • Dutch

    Chip Kelly doesn’t appear to be a fool. He’s not committed to a Quarterback that doesn’t give him a chance at ending his first season with a respectable record. Foles hasn’t experienced a winning season on any level other than maybe high school in more than 5 years. That leaves Barkley and Vick as the only possible candidate currently on the roster to lead the Eagles to a respectable and, or winning season. Kelly made that clean in relaying to the media he expects to win now.

    • theycallmerob

      I’m sorry, I guess we all missed that part where Kelly said it was a 2-man race. Quote please?

      • Dutch

        Kelly, considers this competition a 5 man competition. Kelly has express his desire to win now. Kelly has stated he doesn’t believe in a throw away seasons. With Foles as his starter he’s surrendering the season and any chance at a winning record no less competing for the division crown.

        I don’t know what you may have missed, but Kelly according to his statements in the press is not in any way on board with thinking development or losing record with the Eagles in 2013.

      • nicksaenz1

        Ha, did you read that? Kelly considers this a 5 man race, has 5 qb’s on the roster, and apparently knows that one will result in throwing the season away, which he doesn’t want to do. Wouldn’t that constitute a 4 man race then? Wouldn’t the apparent odd man out have been traded? This is priceless logic from The Delta.

        • Dutch

          this mythical competition is used only for the purpose to get Vick’s head in the game.

          It’s inconceivable to expect Nick Foles to displace Vick and lead the Eagles to a winning season being he’s not experienced leading or being part of a winning team since possibly high school 5 years ago.

          • nicksaenz1

            Delta, don’t get me wrong, Vick very well may win the job. But now you’re calling it mythical to get in his head? If the last two seasons didn’t do anything, what makes you think a “mythical competition” will?

          • Dutch

            Delta? I’ve been on several occasions but I’m not there or from the Delta. Vick could be very well named Starter until Barkley gets his feet under him, but that still doesn’t discount that this competition it’s mythical. It’s not reasonable for a new coach to install Foles starter and expect the Eagles to be competitive and finish the season with a winning record. It is not logical to believe the Eagles could be lead by a perpetual loosing QB over the last several years at every level of Football between high school and the NFL and complete the season respectable.

            The idea of Foles leading the Eagles to a winning record in 2013 is laughable.

          • MV7

            damn don’t smash him too hard lol. watch out for nicksaenz1 though. He got me pissed off one time and don’t let him get you.

          • nicksaenz1

            The Vick poser and Dutch Oven teaming up? How priceless is that?

          • MV7

            Lil man you haven’t even watched the games. I don’t team up, but I know what I believe to be fact when I see it

          • defroe81

            now as all the vick supporter say it was not all vicks fault so how is it so inconceivable foles was on bad teams… which he was. yep foles haters same as vick haters very much full of…

          • MV7

            lol

  • Max Lightfoot

    I don’t think it matters a whole lot who’s gonna play QB if the O-line doesn’t bounce back from last year. They must be able to buy the QB more time. A lot is riding on Jason Peters this year, and Lane Johnson’s learning curve and being consistent at right guard. If they can do that AND stay healthy, it’s a much better season. Chip Kelly has inherited Andy Reid’s smoking crater. Kelly absolutely needs to pick up 2-3 more wins than last year’s record, and he’ll put in whatever QB (or tag-team QBs) he believes can help do it. He may shock some people (and players and NFL “experts”), but Kelly is definitely his own guy. It won’t be dull this year, that’s one thing for sure! Go Eags!

    • Mr. Wu

      As good as this Oline can be yeah it is a bit unsettling what one or two injuries can turn it into.

      • Dutch

        after watching the debacle of the offensive line over the last 2 years my hope is the development of 1 or 2 of the swing offensive linemen who can step in and be serviceable. There is a myth that the 2011 Offensive Line was exceptional. The first 8 games of 2011 were as dismal as the injury depleted 2012 offensive line. Herreman was forced to play tackle because Harris was a complete disaster. It was no until mid Season 2011 that some legitimate line play became evident.

        In the respected reviews of the offensive lines in the NFL the Eagles were placed in the top 10, however upon further review Jason Peters was so exception in his play he elevated the entire play of the Eagles Offensive Line while the Right Guard and Tackle were horrible.Shady racked up those yards and touchdowns behind Peters and Mathis. Watkins and Herreman were no better in 2012 then they were in 2011

        • Nicholas Disilvestro

          Our line wasn’t bad in 2011. How can McCoy have the season he did if they were so terrible?

          • Dutch

            McCoy had that season behind Jason Peters, not Danny Watkins and Todd Herreman. Herreman was an emergency starter at tackle, he replace Harris who was slated to be the starting Tackle in 2011. Danny Watkins need on explanation or introduction he was an abortion and remains such. Over the initial 8 games in 2011 the Eagles offensive line was as horrible as it was in 2012 with the exception of Jason Peter.

          • Nicholas Disilvestro

            Your not making any sense. You said the line was bad in 2011…yet McCoy had the best year an Eagles rb ever had. Mathis and Peters played at a pro bowl level that year. Outside of Watkins I’m not sure which o linemen you could say was bad that year.

          • Dutch

            The line was horrible the first half of the 2011 season. By mid Season 3 players were switched around or entered onto the unit. The right Tackle, Left Guard and Center were playing out of place or new. It took Mudd a while to bring that unit up to respectable. The line up was supposed to be Peters, Herreman, Jackson, Watkins, Harris first to go wrong was Watkins holdout, Harris injury came back he had to be replaced, and Herreman was moved to cover Harris spot at Right Tackle. Mathis stepped up and played fairly well next to Peters, Kelce manage to hang tough and showed intelligence. Herreman was stuck there was noone available to relieve Herreman so he could go back inside. Make no mistake about it Herreman over the last 2 years was the gateway to the Eagles backfield.

            Shady picked up his yards and those touchdowns behind Jason Peters going left.

          • illadelphia21

            Along w/ what Dutch said…pass pro and run blocking are 2 very different things. Peters was dominate at both. Hence shady stellar yr. but Watkins struggled at both. Mathis struggled in the run, especially goal line and short yardage. Kielce was learning the ropes and played admirablely, yet lacked the strength for the run game. And Todd was alright but never finished off his blocks in pass pro. This eventually led to Vicks concision in ATL.

          • Dutch

            I was at the Georgia Dome for that game, that Atlanta front 7 was ripping the Eagles offensive line, well Watkins and Herreman. That was like the second or third game of the season. Peters and Shady kept the game close. Atlanta linebackers were delivering some wicked shots to Shady. He is a tough son of a gun. Vick got caught from the right rushing defender early in the game. Vick was also victim of a few late shots, solid shots and he was busted up and staggering back to the locker room by the second quarter.

        • illadelphia21

          Harris was not a complete disaster cause of his play. He actually played very good in TC and preseason. We thought we were set but his nagging back injuries crept up again. We knew about them before signing him. But he checked out and we thought that they were not gonna comeback.

          Todd played well, for the circumstances. Peters had a great year. Watkins sucked. Kelce did all right for a 6th rounder and and Mathis took a little time but really pulled it together at the end.

          • Dutch

            No question Mathis and Kelce saved the day from complete and utter disaster. Still Herreman managed to get in front of pass rushers every now and then, but Herreman should never be left to defend a QBs blindside. Vick is left handed, so his blindside was switched but Herreman was the path of least resistance and the cause on many days of Vick running for his life over the last two years.

            He played like what he was, a Guard who was an emergency tackle. Peters and, when Mathis caught on with Kelce made the Eagles line after mid season a respectable unit. People were up in arms with Kelce replacing Jackson. That 2011 Offensive Line did not start out the season great.

          • illadelphia21

            Not in disagreement. Just stating that it wasn’t as bad as your comment read. You have a good point about Todd. And I was one of those people up in arms about Jackson. Don’t remember who I was arguing w/, but he was way better than some fans gave him credit for. Plus he only lost his job due to lack of athleticism. And as stated by me before…I’m still holding out my final judgement on Kelce. He’s good, but his lack of strength needs much improvement. I need him to be able to stonewall a few DTs w/o help from his guards. We didn’t get a chance last he to see if he improved in this area. So hopefully he has and we see it this yr.

          • Dutch

            I have a concern about Kelce myself, that he’s going to have some difficulties with a recovering knee. His is pretty much the only man on man blocking assignment in the new scheme and he has to hold his base. With a bum knee I’m not so certain how that’s going to shape up over the course of the season.

          • illadelphia21

            Same here. We seem to have bad luck w/ players recovering from knee injuries. I have a fear that he’s just doing what players do and giving lip service to how far along he is vs how his knee actually is. Nothing to do now except hope for the best, cause Reynolds is far from the best.

          • aub32

            Hopefully he was doing plenty of upper body work since his legs were a no go.

        • MV7

          THANK YOU. People want to look at the stats, but i watched the games. Did Vick hold the ball at times, YES. Both reasons being the playcalling and Vick trying to do to much (YOU SEE THIS NICKSAENZ1). Dutch keeps it real. People see what they want to see. But the film doesn’t lie. The TEAM all played a part, not just the QB

    • Scott J610

      What last year proved was how bad Mudd was when things went south. Our so called “best” line coach in the league was only good when he had great players. He wasn’t so good preparing backups to play. It was pretty shocking how there was nobody that could step in and play decently considering how much Reid values O-linemen. I don’t know if it was bad coaching or bad talent evaluation.

      • Dutch

        I agree. I can not be more disappointed with the development of King Dunlap. There is no justification for why Dunlap was never isolated for instruction and development. The Eagles could have used 2 years to bring Dunlap up to speed and work on every part of his game and technique to make him a very credible Tackle for the NFL.

        I hope Kelly doesn’t squander the opportunity with the big guy from Stoneybrook. Dunlap and this new signee are massive. There is no reason no to dedicate time to bring him up to speed and make him in 2 years a dominating Tackle. Especially now that the Alabama Offensive Line coach is a company man in Philly. There is enough time to tear down his mechanic and built his strength, condition and technique for an unveiling in 2 years.

        • Scott J610

          Even more shocking was how bad Demetress Bell “the best free agent tackle” was. I think Sheil had stats that had him rated as the second worse tackle in the league last year. How could he have been that bad?

          • theycallmerob

            And yet, Jerrah just signed him. Legit chance to win their RT spot. To quote Kempski, I hope he lives ’til 150

          • Dutch

            Bell, like Watkin is more of a inline power drive blocker not well suited for getting off the line and down field onto the second level or playing in sync with his counterparts on the line.

          • Dutch

            scheme. Bell wasn’t the best option on the market for a zone scheme and I always felt the Eagles should have went after Miami’s Jake Long. The Eagles went the cheap route in extending Herremans and paying him to fill in at right tackle. Long eventually left Miami and went to Detroit. The Eagles could have locked up Long giving them a more stable and solid line and in the event of the injury to Peters switched long to the Left.

            Kelly comes from a good pedigree, Iowa. I expect with another year of experience coming off his starts last season he will be ok if we have to count on him at either position. My concern is center. Kelce recovering from a serious knee injury is a concern. It’s difficult to replace the confidence and intelligence factor that Kelce brings to the mix.

          • MV7

            And he’s about to get paid by Dallas. Hell he’ll probably play better

        • MV7

          I can’t even lie, I was embarrassed to say that because Dunlap was getting roasted, but I do think that he has some talent. A lot of times in the NFL…and in life…you need to meet the right person. I wouldn’t be surprised if he played well. Also, it was just time for Reid to leave, great coach, but it was just time. Later in life or to himself, he will admit that his son’s death affected him

      • Max Lightfoot

        I think years of awful drafting had a lot to do with it. Much as Andy Reid valued the O-line, his lineman draft picks were pretty dismal. Free agent signings are for filling in gaps on a good team, but the draft is for depth. You can only do so much with free agent signings – you need to build through the draft, and that failure is what killed Reid. Belichick himself could not have saved this team last year, IMO.

      • MV7

        Ain’t that the truth. What I hated is that they changed what worked in 2010. I’m not quite sure what Reid was thinking at that time to be honest. We just made the playoffs, then he changes the o-line’s entire scheme without the lineman to fit the scheme.

        • Dutch

          I respect Andy Reid for his time and effort with the Eagles, but in 2011 he was a stubborn idiot changing what worked in 2010. He set about on an extreme makeover of Mike Vick instead of letting the kid play to his instincts. He tried to show how smart he was making Vick adopt to progression reads and not running when openings showed themselves. Now, in Kansas City he’s jumped on board with using the total skill set of his Quarterback in a pistol offense. He waits until after working with Mike Vick to adapt to a strategy of using the skills of a running and mobile QB.

          That light is a little late but it’s on now.

          • MV7

            Straight up. Why is it that we 2 “haters” can see the clear picture. And on top of that MM and AR CHANGED the offense to fit Foles skill set, as every coach should. Reid got his “holy grail” of a QB. 2010 and knew he had someone he could mold and Reid reached him. Vick came out freestylin, but he changed his game too. Greatest year of football I’ve ever seen and I loved Montana, Brady, Aikman, Young. Is he better than them as far as numbers and wins? Of course not and who cares. Vick can play, and they will play him. If you don’t like it, hell don’t watch…but you will anyway LOL. Any real Eagle that says they won’t straight up liars

      • MV7

        Couldn’t have said it better.

  • MV7

    People are gonna dig and dig to find something wrong that he said. But he will not get praised for saying the right things, which he did. He just said with his own mouth that he would help the team no matter what, and what happens? In the comments below already saying that he won’t handle it well IF he loses. I can’t wait till Vick shuts everyone up again. Vick’s back is against the wall, I like that.

    • MV7

      I sat there and read last night…. all the comments saying “Foles handled the media so well, way to go Nick….blah blah blah” Not with Vick lol. Let’s find one word, hell one sentence that isn’t perfect….and they all over him on these blogs lol

      • Nicholas Disilvestro

        You seem like a fair and unbiased person. I look forward to more of your unbiased, in-depth analysis of our qb situation.

        • MV7

          Nicholas, just look closely. I see that @scottj610:disqus calls me a “Vick fanboy” and that’s fine. But he never comes with anything meaningful to talk about. “Vick sucks!! We want Foles!!”” Is all this dude says. @Scott J610 your post is right under mine and I’ll tell you straight up that I mean no harm. I just wanna talk football

          • Nicholas Disilvestro

            Thats alright, I understand. Sometimes things get too personal on the internet lol. I dont often comment on here but its a good blog and I hope nobody here takes things the wrong way. Thanks man.

      • Scott J610

        You Vick fan boys crack me up.

      • defroe81

        i think his answers were good but thats coming a month after he stated he wanted the coach to pick a starter by the begining of camp… but he did well seems like he is getting a better understanding of what might be come the season opener unlike many of his fanatics… not a vick fan anymore he disappointed me too many times but if he proves to be the starter once more as an eagles fan i have no choice but to root for the man.

  • xlGmanlx

    Why does the philly fan base try and decipher the hidden meaning behind everything. I thing Kelly tells it like it is, nothing hidden, no agenda. For those that were super paranoid that avant wasn’t mentioned by name, there you go. Camp is here and we are twisting this stuff? Repeat after me, it doesn’t get clearer until all teams play 8 REGULAR SEASON games.

  • southy

    “I would say our depth chart’s written in sand right now.”

    HA! So there IS a depth chart!

  • BrickSquadMonopoly

    Hes in a better position than you to make those calls. Just trust in the Chippah you gotta give him a chance, chastise him when he actually screws up.

  • Bdawkbdawk

    Why is the NFL more up and down or in need of continuity than college?

  • theycallmerob

    Check back to one of the articles (I believe TIm wrote), I think maybe a week ago or so when Kelly let the media publish those old interviews. That question came up, and he was taken aback; of course no one is getting benched after a bad week or practice. He seemed to imply that he would not tolerate the poor decision making which led to turnovers the last two years. By both QBs.
    Whereas with Reid, his fate was tied to Vick (for better or worse) in 2010, and especially after 2011. I mean, even on a sinking ship, Foles may never have seen time last year had Vick not been hurt.

  • FMWarner

    I get your concern, but I think that’ll happen once there is an established starter rather than just a starter. No matter who wins in camp, they’re not going to have the juice to earn that kind of leeway. They’ll earn it by being the guy all season and showing that they’re in it for the long haul.

  • Token

    ah yes, the good old “why have a opinion since you arent the coach” routine. Always refreshing.

  • illadelphia21

    To men’s expressing that while a QB should no that he can lose his job for a series of games, he should not be constantly looking over his shoulder. That only leads to errors and poor decision. I don’t think Kelly will do that, once he finds his starter, as much as he is now. However he has said nothing, as of yet, to support my thought. But no coach is stupid enough to make his starting QB feel that kind of pressure.

  • BrickSquadMonopoly

    Always