Q&A: Rutgers Law Prof Who Says Pedophilia Is Not a Crime

It’s a disorder, argues Margo Kaplan.

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Margo Kaplan is not very popular today. In the Monday edition of the New York Times, the Rutgers-Camden law professor, an NYU and Harvard graduate, takes to the op-ed pages to argue that we’ve got it all wrong when it comes to pedophilia. She writes that pedophiles don’t necessarily turn out to be child molesters and that pedophilia is not a choice, i.e. a pedophile might be born that way. We reached her in her office in Camden to discuss.

pedophilia-not-a-crime-rutgers-margo-kaplanYou really lit up the comments section of the op-ed page today.
Yes, but I have to be honest. I am getting more emails of support than I ever expected. I’m shocked. I expected to get maybe 95% negative emails, but I’ve gotten so many positive ones. The online comments, though, are pretty uniformly negative, and a lot of people haven’t even read the article.

I know your pain. Who are you getting these positive emails from?
A lot of people I don’t even know. There’s a former prosecutor, a judge, a nurse. Individuals with family members who have pedophilia.

How much of the population has pedophilia?
We’re not entirely sure, but the estimates are around one-percent of the male population, and those in the female population are assumed to be much smaller. As far as the number of people with pedophilia who do sex offend and who do not, there are a lot of assumptions but very little data, because we have very little treatment, very little information.

Why is that?
There is so much stigma. There is very little reason to come forth and identify as a pedophile. There are no large scale studies, no large treatment programs, no big research studies on this. I contacted the National Institutes of Health, and they don’t spend any money on pedophilia.

But you are basically saying, hey, let’s take it easy on pedophiles.
Well, but I am not saying that about sex offenders. I say that they remain responsible for their conduct. We need to treat pedophiles before they offend. People see the word “pedophile” and think “sex offender.” People choose to sex offend children. They do not choose to be pedophiles.

Since you say there are so many misconceptions, why don’t you tell us what a pedophile really is.
A person with an intense and recurrent sexual attraction to prepubescent children, children who have not yet entered any form of puberty. And according to the DSM [Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders], it constitutes a mental disorder when you act on it, but not just that. It also constitutes a mental disorder if it causes “marked distress or interpersonal difficulty,” and, as you can imagine, pedophilia will cause this.

In your article, you open by saying that as a pedophile’s numerical age increases into teenage years and then adulthood, the numerical age of those he is attracted to does not. Are most pedophiles really starting that young?
For many individuals, it is really an onset in adolescence, similar to how many sexual attractions happen. Individuals who are heterosexual, you realize you are attracted to the opposite sex when you are a kid. For a pedophile, you get older, but you keep being attracted to little kids, and many people start to realize this during adolescence. So imagine trying to deal with that during adolescence in addition to the other confusing feelings that you’re having.

If America is totally off course on this issue, is there any country that is getting it right?
We’re not that unique. But Germany is ahead of the curve. They have a large scale treatment program called Prevention Project Dunkenfeld, which is probably the first large scale treatment project that also includes non-offenders. They have billboards everywhere: “Do you have attraction to children in ways that you shouldn’t? You are not responsible for your attraction, but you are responsible for your behavior.”

OK, so as a guy with two young kids, how do I protect them?
There’s no easy answer to that, but you want to protect them from sex offenders. Most people who offend are not actually pedophiles. It’s interesting: When you talk about pedophiles, people think about the children. And they’re right. But what about the children who are struggling with this disorder? We need to help them, too.

But you can understand if maybe I’ll just try to keep them away from pedophiles anyway.
I can understand that. We need to prevent pedophiles from sexually offending and to do that, we need to refocus on early intervention, treatment and prevention. It’s not always going to work. No treatment of any mental disorder will always work. Depression treatment, schizophrenia treatment — they don’t always work. But we don’t throw our hands into the air and wait until the consequences of those conditions become bad before we do something. With pedophiles, we’ve already thrown our hands into the air. We should not be taking this tactic. The dire consequences only make it more important that we reach out and treat early.

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  • ArrogantDrunk

    The slope gets slipperier!

    • Lūna Moon
    • Chuck

      The left goes stark raving berserk when I had suggested that this would be the next wave of “rights” push. “Hey, like depression, pedos are not to blame for their “illness.”

      • ArrogantDrunk

        Cultural Marxism

      • Jimmy Palmer

        Yeh, next you’ll see the pedophiles “Coming out of the Closet” like the gays did a few decades ago, next you’ll have the Libtards declaring that it’s perfectly normal, and society in general accepting it as an “alternate lifestyle”, and the lawmakers passing laws to protect them. No wonder the Apostle called the unregenerate “an evil and perverse generation”

        • RFlanary

          They already have – NAMBLA.

          • http://facebook.com/AnnInquirer Ann Inquirer

            Started in Frisco, right?

          • planetwingnuttia

            I see you’re a deep thinker…and American Slavery started in the south are we to think of the south as an evil place ?

          • Donald Garnto

            Wait a minute now. Slavery did not start in the south. You might want to research that

          • Freedom1966

            started in Africa, where it continues today.

          • Susan Puckett Smith

            Too right. Slavery has, in fact, been around for at least several thousand years.

          • Independent1776

            1641 Massachusetts is the first colony to legalize slavery…..

          • Independent1776

            1636
            Colonial North America’s slave trade begins when the first American slave carrier, Desire, is built and launched in Massachusetts.

          • Rich

            Actually, American slavery started in Africa where tribes were enslaving and selling each other to the Western slave traders. Which is something the African American culture wants to disregard that they were kidnapping each other first and selling each other. (Alex Haley’s “Roots” is one of the few books to make a point of that in the beginning.)

          • bre

            I think you need to re visit a history book, hate to tell ya but millions md millions of my people, native americans where slaves WAAAYYY before African americans in the south! Not to mention the hundreds of thousands of white Irish foke well before the Africans..

          • Janeen Van Dine Welsh

            American Slavery did not start in the South. American Slavery started in the New England Colonies when ships would bring in orphaned children to be sold as domestic and factory workers, and when the English crown sold the indigent and the convicted as laborers. Indenture was a form of slavery with a time limit. Indentured servitude in the American colonies started in the Massachusetts Bay Colony.

          • Betty4440

            slavery did not start in the south. and slavery is still on going just ask the muslims. because they still have slaves and also sale them to other muslims. and they have sex slaves on top of their 4 wife’s. do some home work.

          • Guest

            “Frisco”??

        • anon

          it is a lifestyle choice though, some countries allow it because it is normal there

          • Johan

            Some religions as well – islam, for example.

        • Barbara Anne Smith

          I believe someone already tried the “alternative lifestyle” in an article. Can’t remember, and can’t google as internet is going up and down like the toilet seat in a mixed bathroom. LOL. I am not positive, but I think it was a judge or psychologist or some related position.

        • Chris Banday

          I agree jimmy. Next you can marry your dog! its called evil its called the devil we can’t keep excusing actions that are inconsistent with God’s Word

          • iArgue

            Which verse was it that forbids child brides? Oh that’s right. None of the verses. Some book of virtues ya got there.

          • philly

            Read this then insert your foot in you’re mouth http://www.gotquestions.org/pedophilia.html

          • iArgue

            Gee, I don’t see what possible motivation “gotquestions” might have to whitewash Christian history. How about a less biased source, and you just live with the fact that the bible doesn’t have any qualm with child brides: “in ancient Jewish custom, Mary could have been betrothed at about 12”
            “http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_%28mother_of_Jesus%29”

            Of course, you could just spare us all the delay tactics and quote scripture on the issue.

          • Betty4440

            he is a muslim.or sounds like one any way. and agrees with having child brides. some are married with in days of their birth. because it is in the qur’an. can you see your six year old being married?. and then a man old enough to be her grandpa raping her at 9 years old? can you picture the pain and suffering your child would go through. and then trying to give birth to a baby at 10 or 11 years old. it is just the work of satan in full bloom.

          • iArgue

            The Qur’an is based in large part on the Bible and its various saints and prophets. They are both Abrahamic faiths. As the Bible has no commandment from God on the issue of child brides, it only follows that neither would the Qur’an. What you’ve seen is simply a culture shift in popular Christianity, whereby the idea of child brides and forced/arranged marriages have fallen out of favor with one culture and not the other.

            It has nothing to do with Satan. If anything, child brides are acceptable according to the bible, whereas homosexuality is explicitly forbidden.

          • abqblondie2

            Betrothed just meant promised, usually arranged by the head of household, for financial reasons.

          • iArgue

            It’s still skirting the point – In that era, there was no age of consent and children were often married off while still quite young. And the Bible simply doesn’t command against it. So, “slippery slope” arguments don’t apply from a Biblical perspective. That’s all I’m getting at. Unlike homosexuality, there is no Biblical basis for outrage.

            The God of Abraham himself saw fit to impregnate a 12-14 year old girl. I didn’t write it. And I certainly don’t worship him. But there it is, and I’m not sure why people are so willing to ignore it.

          • Guest

            Of course, you could just spare us all the delay tactics and quote scripture on the issue.

          • Johnny

            Ouch.

          • Grilles

            Whose god? Which religion is right?

          • Chris Banday

            the Lord Jesus Christ the only God the only one that died on the cross for our sins it’s not about religion it’s about a way of life he is the way the truth and the life and no other false gods will ever go before him and he’s coming soon and if you didn’t know him before you will know him then maranatha

          • Grilles

            Ah, right. I will keep an eye out on ReverbNation for his tour dates. I’m very interested in meeting him and finding out just exactly DID happen prior to 2,500 years ago.

            By the way, when was that book written again? And by whom?

        • iArgue

          At least there’s no rules against it in the Bible. So, you’ll always have *that* going for you.

        • Grilles

          There we go. Politics unmasking ignorance. You know what? Just cut off ALL medical studies. Bring back the wild west. Let the most righteous with the most weaponry win, because THAT’S the REAL power.

        • amelrodriguez

          Many absurd comments in this post. It is clear many did nor read the article. Schizophrenic paranoid people have killed and abused others. Being schizophrenic is not a crime, neither a choice, but killing or hurting others is. Best to treat the schizos before they commit crimes than to say it is a choice and just punish them after the crime have been committed. Just trade schizo for pedophile. It is the same idea.

      • Richard R

        This isn’t about creating rights or allowing people to act out and do bad things to other humans. This is about understanding why humans do what they do and to help them before they harm others. Please read the article, not just the headline.

        • John Jmburne

          Because: evil……some people are evil.

          • http://www.circumstitions.com/ Hugh7

            How nice it must be to live in a black-and-white world.

          • philly

            And how stressful to live in world where everything is justifiable with simple psychiatry. (Insert fart noise here)

          • Rich

            couldnt agree with you more

          • Richard R

            Nothing is justifiable, it’s a matter of finding what or when so that we can protect all citizens. You should really stop farting from your head though in your case it’s quite appropriate.

          • Grilles

            Where are you getting justifiable? God, the self-righteousness in some of these comments is deafening.

          • Freedom1966

            and how convenient for the selfish sickos of the world to have no moral compass and to narcissistically use psycho babble to justify their abuse of others.

          • Richard R

            This isn’t about justifying, it’s about understanding behavior so that all people are protected. You are an idiot with a very simple concept of the world. Please do not have children as there are enough stupid people in the world.

          • Grilles

            At no point in this article is there mention of justifying actions or abuse. If so, please spell it out.

          • Tom Ripley

            Evil is just a four letter word and a matter of perspective.

            I personally believe that the 9/11 hijackers (for example) just wanted to do the right thing.

          • Phil B

            All your word are just words. The thing about words is they have meanings.e·vil
            ˈēvəl/Submit
            adjective
            1.
            profoundly immoral and malevolent.
            “his evil deeds”
            synonyms: wicked, bad, wrong, immoral, sinful, foul, vile, dishonorable, corrupt, iniquitous, depraved, reprobate, villainous, nefarious, vicious, malicious; More

          • John Jmburne

            Agreed, and they were….evil.

          • Richard R

            Evil is a word stupid people use when they don’t understand the causes of bad behavior.

          • John Jmburne

            “The world is a dangerous place to live, not because of the people who are evil, but because of the people who don’t do anything about it.”
            -Albert Einstein

            Nothing is absolute?
            If someone rapes and murders your 4 year old….I’m willing to bet you will begin to believe in evil.

          • Richard R

            Again, “evil” is a word that people use when they don’t understand why something happens. No one is born evil. Everyone has the capacity to do bad things but they are normally affected by internal and external factors that they can’t always help. Referring to people as Evil is a lazy way of thinking and keeps us from understanding and figuring out how to fix issues that hopefully prevent people from committing crimes.

            I really wish people would stop creating scenarios where someone in my family dies, it’s disturbing. It’s also weird people like me are interested in research and the human mind because it allows us to help all people but for whatever reason everyone is more interested in simply keeping things as they are and punishment. What exactly has punishment done for us? If it wasn’t for science people would still be bled out when they got sick.

          • Richard R

            Nothing is absolute. There is no absolute truth. Everything is about perspective and bias. The only thing that gets close to absolute truth is science and even science recognizes that it’s not always 100% correct.

        • Sean Lee Walthour

          So u mean to say that, understanding why people rob banks, makes the act, not a crime?

          • Blubbedey

            No, but thinking about robbing a bank, or wanting to rob a bank, is not a crime. If you knew what they were planning, wouldn’t you want to try to talk the person out of robbing the bank?

          • Phil B

            If you plan it then it is conspiring and yes that’s illegal.

          • Blubbedey

            I did quite specifically say “think about” or “want to,” though, not “plan to.”

          • Phil B

            Planning is a thought process so thinking about is very similar to planning.

          • Blubbedey

            If they’re just thinking about it, how will you know they’re planning it?

          • David

            Actually you have to perform an act in furterance of the crime to bring such a discussion up to the level of conspiracy.

          • Rich

            That’s what makes it a choice and not something you grow up with or are predisposed to… ITS A CHOICE TO BE A PEDOPHILE!

          • Blubbedey

            No, it’s a choice to act upon it.

          • Tabitha Romaine Leon

            It’s a choice to ACT on pedophilia (in which they aren’t called pedophiles, they are called sex offenders), it’s not a choice to have a disorder. Is it a choice to have alzheimers? Depression? PTSD? Anxiety? Did you know that it could be genetic so they have the possibility of having it from day one?

          • Richard R

            It might be a choice to act on it but you are born with the tendencies or it might be a secondary sexual attraction. That’s why research is important.

          • Richard R

            You don’t know that. You’re making personal assumptions that aren’t based on anything more than your very small and personal perspective of human behavior.

          • Betty4440

            tell you what they could do put children in front of these people and watch the brains and when they get excited about one of these children. cut that part of the brain out . problem solved.

          • Richard R

            Actually, that could be a solution but that is why research is important. If they could for instance change something in your brain without turning you into a zombie it would be a great solution. I would though never suggest putting children in front of anyone or placing them in uncomfortable environments.

          • Xerxes

            You’re refusing to separate the urge from the act.
            Yes, it’s a choice to act on the urge and be the category of sex-offender labeled a “pedophile”.
            If they resist the urge (which they don’t have by choice), they aren’t a sex-offender, but they still have the psychological state known as pedophilia and could be accurately called a pedophile.
            It’s a bad article title, guaranteed to cause trouble because of that ambiguity.

          • Richard R

            I’m sorry, please rephrase your question so that it is a smart one.

          • Grilles

            NO. You and about a dozen others in this comment section need to read the article again and again until you can understand that the article does NOT condone, nor justify, any criminal or abusive action. It addresses looking at the tendencies and treating them before actions occur.

            Perhaps her next study will be why those with the biggest, most accusatory mouths are also the most stubborn and closed-minded.

        • Simes Jones

          sadly, people seem keen to stay in ignorance, to the point that even if a sasquatch were placed in front of them, thry would still says its a bear!…its absolutely paralyzingly blinding them from reading and comprehending even the most simple of english.

          • Tom Ripley

            Ignorance is comfortable. People generally hate changing their views and love seeing things in black and white. It’s an ego thing.

          • Freedom1966

            NO it’s a normal need to protect young children, perhaps you are a pedo from you comments.

          • Richard R

            My previous reply to you wasn’t fair and I apologize. Still, no one anywhere in this discussion has discussed allowing anyone to harm children. Please pay attention.

          • Anti-you

            While you seem like an educated man, insulting others in such a fashion profoundly lowers the view others have on you and only shows a person worth ignoring. Great idealistic points – rubbish persuasive skills. A suggestion: take courses to better develop said skills and realize harmful words are best suited for the children.

          • Richard R

            I fully agree with you and have edited my comment to reflect that. Sorry, I try but sometimes it’s hard.

          • Debbie Thompson

            You may have a different feeling about this if your child was a victim of one of these monsters, and you found out just how hard it is to put one away. They are manipulative predators. They plan ahead. Learned alot about these folks, while trying to get one prosecuted for sodomizing 5 boys (and those were just the ones we were aware of…they usually have many victims, but the victims don’t come forward, for obvious reasons. The victims are treated like they are making things up. Made to re-live it over and over in deposition after deposition). Whatta nightmare. Happy to say, though, after a long battle, we got him put away for 25 years to life. 😀

          • Debbie Thompson

            And, where’s all the news articles about the victims, and the hell they are put through? These boys were ages 8 through 11.

          • Richard R

            People that commit crimes should be punished but the focus on this article isn’t dealing with punishment. It’s trying to get help for people before they commit a crime so that there are no victims. See why that is important? Would you rather avoid the entire crime and the process you had to deal with or would you simply let things stay as they are so that others become victims?

          • Debbie Thompson

            Guess the rage got the better of me. Also learned that many of them were sexually abused as kids, themselves.

          • Richard R

            I think it’s fair to be angry. Why shouldn’t you be? I would be livid, the idea of taking someone’s innocence or poisoning someone’s character is probably one the worst things any human can do. The difference here is that research might help us all figure out how to help these people from the beginning which might mean less sexual crimes, this is important.

          • Tom Ripley

            Right. I actually know one pedophile, and he’s having a problem with his urges. He knows it’s wrong and plans to not act on them. He wanted to become a kindergarden teacher, but decided to quit his studies because he felt that he might be a threat.

            I’m not defending sexual predators, whether they are child molesters or more coventional rapists. I’m defending people who are victims of their own condition and are being villified by the society over something that they never asked for.

          • Kristina

            Seems you also did not actually read the article! Man are people really this set in their ways that they refuse to see what is being said here? Everyone here seems to be completely missing the point of this article! The point of the article, is that many people with pedophilic thoughts and impulses NEVER become predators, because they choose not to, knowing the terrible effects it has on children. They still feel like monsters inside though, and have terrible personal repercussions as a result! These people are not given a chance to get help, because of the attitudes many have that if you have these feelings, you are automatically a predator. Where is the support and help for these people? I was molested from infancy to 12 years old, both in my birth family, and in the foster care system, and as a result I had terrible feelings and thoughts that I could not control. I had control over my actions, but not the thoughts and feelings. Where is the help and support for these people who want nothing more than to rid their minds of these horrific things? This is what the author of this article is trying to say. She is not even talking about people who have committed crimes, she is talking about people with certain feelings who want nothing more than to rid themselves of these feelings, so that they do not feel like monsters, and so that they do not find themselves one day acting on impulses that are very difficult to control. Maybe if we help people before they act on these feelings that they do not feel in control of, we may prevent some of them from ever doing harm to another child. There are many people who have scary and pedophilic impulses who never act on them, but have to live with the horrific feelings they have every day, without ever feeling they have the option of getting help. These are the people the author is referring to! These are the people she is saying we should offer help to, and it seems many here do not get her point at all!

          • Betty4440

            HEY THIS WILL END UP BEING AN EXCUSE for the muslims seeing how they love these little ones and having sex with them. any excuse is better then none right.

          • suelegal

            good God Betty stop watching Fox News! Get some real information in that dumb noggin of yours

        • Pinchy

          The lack of comprehension in this comments section is staggering. Thank you Richard for demonstrating intelligence and understanding from beyond a simple egocentric perspective.

          • Gary Carkeek

            Few years ago, here in New Zealand, a political contender (head of a fundamentalist christian party), raised his profile on TV and other media – next minute, he was in prison for molesting children – Graham Capill. Was this an extreme statistical ‘outlier’ – or is this more common than we think? This guy was publicly outspoken about sexual deviancy, and his ‘christianity’ LOL

      • Richard R

        If it’s in your brain by default you cannot help it. You honestly think people wake up all of the sudden thinking they want to harm people without some form of mental issue? Don’t respond if with some stupid idea of god or religion.

        • anon

          you only consider it a mental issue because it is not the way you agree to living because you have been brainwashed to allow a specific way of living

          • Guest

            Anon, you clearly are a pedophile yourself. Your claim that people who find child rapists mentally disturbed is just “brainwashing” is sick.

          • iArgue

            Well, technically… Age of consent is cultural. Some places 18, some 12. I don’t know that this constitutes “brainwashing”, but we can say with certainty that our outrage is due in large part to social conditioning.

          • blackavengre

            Moral social fiber has a lot to answer for… Particularly the uneducated, misinformed masses of people who take to the Internet to spout their opinion as though it was fact, look at everything with a bias, and dictate what is “right or wrong” based on said social fiber which, as bias as they are, they remain ignorant to the fact that these same morals change every time you cross a country border.

          • iArgue

            It’s not just change across borders either. There’s a historical perspective people are entirely ignoring as well. Some of these commenters are all up in arms with these “slippery slope” comments, forgetting that age of consent laws and punishments have only gotten more strict over time. 80 years ago, people were getting married at 14. There were all sorts of relationships going on that would, today, be considered illegal.

            So, it’s a bit myopic to sit around pretending that gay rights advocacy has anything to do with modern efforts to treat human beings who have human issues, fairly.

          • Pinchy

            If you’d like me to explain to you why your comment is incredibly poorly reasoned and unintelligent I’d be happy to. If not, just know that you’re presenting yourself as a highly unintelligent person.

          • Richard R

            I have no idea what you mean but if it relates to god or the bible please take that ignorant stupid medieval thinking to someone who is brainwashed.

        • Sean Lee Walthour

          Okay,n understood. Jeffrey Chalmers couldn’t help himself. Great point u made

          • Richard R

            You’re making all sorts of assumptions about a single person and my thoughts. It doesn’t matter if he could help himself or not. None of that matters to whomever was affected by the crime. Research doesn’t lessen the harm someone does. It helps us to understand why so that we can hopefully prevent it from happening to anyone else.

        • Chris Banday

          Yes i do. have you ever heard of a sociopath my God there is evil in the world can’t you see that just look at Muslims suicide bombers really oMG how can people be so stupid

          • Richard R

            Evil is a word dumb people use when they don’t understand why bad things happen. See, knowing why people do things doesn’t justify bad behavior but it might helps us to keep people from doing bad things. See why it’s important?

          • Chris Banday

            I know exactly why bad things happen there is evil in the world the only reason someone would excuse evil is if they want to do two little children what this topic is the discussion of and if it really helped to study people to see why they do these things and try to help them then why have we not been able to after centuries stop terrorism and the crazy Muslims who think they’re going to get 72 virgins from stopping their bad behavior we know why they do what they do and it’s not solving a Anything!!

          • Richard R

            huh? Did you read the article? Did you see anywhere in the article where anyone mentions doing anything to children? The concept of terrorism is relatively new and not centuries old. If people would have been categorized as terrorist for centuries than everyone in the USA now would be considered a terrorist since we stole and murdered the people in this land. Bad government policies, lack of education, lack of cultural understanding is why we are at war and not because being Muslim is inherently “evil”.

          • Chris Banday

            that’s not true at all Islamic terrorism started long before Israel was a nation it is centuries old Muslims have been murdering For centuries. and we are at war because of the lack of God in the world the Muslims want us to be under Sharia law and follow the Quran and they will not stop until they have their way

          • Richard R

            Extremist muslins like extremist Christians all want us to have their one religion as their ultimate religion. There is no difference there. Muslims and Christians have been killing each other and others for centuries. We’re at war with other countries because people want too much religion in our lives. Relatively secular countries aren’t fighting wars with each other. Look at most of the the Nordic region. Look at Europe. Look at the Americas in General. Canada isn’t at war with any of it’s neighbors for any religious reasons. People don’t just simply go to war for one reason. Religion might be the one thing they focus on but it’s normally more complicated than just one thing.

          • Chris Banday

            the Christians aren’t trying to take over and are not Slattering people like the Muslims are the United States of America is always helped out other countries that have asked for their help Canada and Europe typically don’t they do to a point but that’s about it both Europe and Canada have had terrorist attacks on their land also. if you study biblical history that’s where this all started it started because of Ismal. all religions aren’t the same anyway Jesus Christ died on the cross for us he’s the only Savior that has died for us know Buddha know Allah no one else has ever done that he is the one true Christ the only reason Christians have ever fought is to protect themselves from Muslims and Nazis or whoever trying to slaughter them I don’t know where all this came from all I can say is pedophiles just need to be locked up because I’m going to tell you what you must not have young children but I could never allow them to hurt or touch any of my children or grandchildren the only way they can be helped Is through deliverance from realizing they need help and Jesus Christ is the only one that can truly help them

          • Grilles

            On that note, what’s your address? I’ll have Amazon send you some punctuation keys for your keyboard.

            I’d think that cult-related suicide bombers are raised and taught in a realm of hate, the world of “we are right and everyone else must die.” Funny how related religion and politics truly are.

      • bigdog

        You obviously didn’t read the article very well. Nowhere in the article is she saying this is okay, and that the pedophiles have to take responsibility for their actions.

        • Sean Lee Walthour

          No, she just justifies the thought process… it’s a huge difference in saying “there’s a reason for pedophilia ” & “it’s not a crime ”

          Ever consider that folks can read the article and still disagree?

          I guess sociopathic behavior doesn’t result in criminal activity, using this article’s logic

          • David Farnell

            Sigh. You are not understanding the article, Sean. “Sociopathic behavior”–pedophilia is NOT behavior. It is a misplaced desire. It is a disease that needs treatment. If a pedophile acts on those desires by molesting a child, THAT is a crime.

            Because of all this confusion on this issue, nobody can do a proper study and figure out how many pedophiles there are and how many offend, but what I’ve read seems to indicate that most, perhaps the vast majority, never molest children. They never commit the crime because hey, despite their miserable desires, they know right from wrong. I have pity for them, and I want them to be able to be treated, not have to hide their condition out of fear of being labeled sex offenders when they haven’t done anything.

            For the ones who do harm children, well, I’m a father of three and a grandfather of six. One of my daughters was called and terrorized by some sick bastard who told her nasty things when she was 10. That guy, and anyone else who harms kids, needs to be removed from society. Understanding how people with this condition tick will help reduce the number who offend. And that makes my grandkids safer.

          • Tom Ripley

            Sociopathy and sociopathic behaviour don’t always go hand in hand. You may be surprised, but there are sociopaths who recognize their condition, understand it’s possible consequences for their surroundings and prefer to follow the rules.

          • Tabitha Romaine Leon

            she said those who act on it (aka the behavior you speak of) should still be held accountable for their crimes. She is saying though, that those who haven’t followed that behavior should be helped. As for a disorder, no, having one is not a crime. If people were born with the disorder because it’s genetic (as some disorders are), are you going to lock up a newborn until it dies for something it didn’t even do?

          • Terramine Light

            There are people who are sociopathic but don’t commit crimes.

          • Xerxes

            Sociopathic tendencies don’t result in criminal activity, sociopathic actions do.

            My urge to slap you upside the head like you were a particularly snotty 10-year-old isn’t a crime, but if I actually did it somehow, it would be.

            I would, however, agree that the tiling on the article is terrible, and guaranteed to draw unnecessary ire from the simpleminded and deliberately obtuse.

          • Gary Carkeek

            Uh, sociopathic actions tend very much to be criminal activity, X – that’s why they are illegal (usually)

          • Kristina

            She does not justify the thought process! She is giving a very accurate reason for it! I know from very personal experience! The point of the article, is that many people with pedophilic thoughts and impulses NEVER become predators, because they choose not to, knowing the terrible effects it has on children. They still feel like monsters inside though, and have terrible personal repercussions as a result! These people are not given a chance to get help, because of the attitudes many have that if you have these feelings, you are automatically a predator. Where is the support and help for these people? I was molested from infancy to 12 years old, both in my birth family, and in the foster care system, and as a result I had terrible feelings and thoughts that I could not control. I had control over my actions, but not the thoughts and feelings. These were forced on me by my abusers, and I suffered greatly for it! Where is the help and support for these people who want nothing more than to rid their minds of these horrific things? This is what the author of this article is trying to say. Maybe if we help people before they act on these feelings that they do not feel in control of, we may prevent some of them from ever doing harm to another child. There are many people who have scary and pedophilic impulses who never act on them, but have to live with the horrific feelings they have every day, without ever feeling they have the option of getting help. These are the people the author is referring to, and it seems many here do not get her point at all! Wow, there sure are a lot of closed minded and ignorant people in this world! makes me sad to be a human being!

      • anonomyssy

        Well one could argue that back in the day masturbation and homosexual behavior was also viewed as mental illness…

        • Chuck

          If one knew the political lobbying that homosexuals did and how they coerced the APA (Am. Psychiatric Assoc.) to change the DSM, you would know that it STILL IS a mental disorder, otherwise known as a sin. See, if it’s a “sickness” or “syndrome,” they can’t help it, and you can’t help them.

          • batcountry1

            It was only put in for religious reasons to begin with. As “sin” is imaginary it should have never been there.

          • Chuck

            Bzzzt, it was not put in there for religious reasons. Come back to me when you actually read the original DSM classification of homosexuality.

          • batcountry1

            Bzzzt wrong. It was thanks to the sick people who believe in an imaginary friend in the sky.

          • Johan

            Exactly. The only reason homosexuality is no longer classified as a mental illness is many people’s petty, spineless adherence to political correctness.

          • Tom Ripley

            Actually, it was because psychiatrists who treated gays in institutions realized that their condition didn’t match with the definition of a mental illness, because it wasn’t directly harmful to them or others. Your ignorance actually impresses me. Could you perhaps tell me where you have learned such bizarre views?

            On the other hand, the only reason why religion isn’t classified as a delusion is due to political correctness. People should grow a pair and call it what it is.

          • iArgue

            I just spoke to God, and He agrees with you.

          • Johan

            What a load of pathetically delusional, embarrassingly ignorant drivel! The “definition of a mental illness” is NOT contingent on it being “directly harmful to them or others”!

            On the other hand, I fully agree that religion should be classified as delusion. However, it’s not political correctness that prevents it from being so classified.

          • Tom Ripley

            Then what is it, if not political correctness?

            And why do you care so much whether homosexuality should be on the list of mental illnesses or not? Left-handedness used to be considered a disability and studies have shown that left-handed people are more likely to have psychotic disorders. Left-handedness is also a bigger disadvantage in every day life than homosexuality, yet you don’t see people demanding that it should be considered a disability again, that left-handed people should be “converted” or institutionalized or anything. Or that it’s being tolerated because of political correctness.

          • Johan

            I “care so much” because it’s the truth, and because political correctness is the bane of modern society.

          • Tom Ripley

            Oh, I’m no fan of political correctness either. Anyways, what would be done to homosexuals, if you could decide?

          • Johan

            Huh, “would be done to homosexuals”? Nothing, of course, because provided any sexual acts they engage in are consensual, they pose no threat to anyone.

            That’s the problem with pedophiles – under NO circumstances can the sex be consensual. That doesn’t mean they can’t choose to abstain. If they do so, they pose no threat to anyone either.

          • Tom Ripley

            And I agree. What I don’t want is this witch hunt mentality we’re currently seeing in the society. Pedophiles need help, if they are the abstaining kind, and a lot of them won’t talk about the problem, fearing that they will get in trouble.

          • Chris Banday

            I totally agree Chuck it is a lifestyle choice I don’t give a damn what they say God said it was wrong and it is he said the same thing about all the other issues here and he’s coming back and judging the world for what they’re doing and people better hang on cuz there will be no mercy

          • iArgue

            Citation pls – Mary was like 12 when God finger blasted her full of Jesus. So you’ll have to show me where he suddenly flip-flops on that issue.

          • philly

            Nope wrong again.

          • iArgue

            Okay – Show me a chapter and verse where God condemns the taking of child brides. I’ll just wait here. Also, yes, Mary was believed to be between 10 and 14 years old. So again, lovely God you got there. It explains a lot.

          • Tom Ripley

            Sounds like a wonderful god, that one: the god of revenge and mercilessness. What is that god called? Allah?

          • philly

            Allah just means “the God”. Do u know any scripture. God is of love and forgiveness. All sinners can repent and be saved. So no not the God of revenge, that would be Satin.

          • Tom Ripley

            The whole hell thing sound very much like vengefulness to me and the old testament is full of examples of Yahveh’s mercilessness.

          • Grilles

            Nice! I didn’t catch that segment, but thanks for the recap. By the way, I didn’t see his return on Ticketmaster. Did he announce dates yet?

        • Debbie Thompson

          Consenting adults is one thing, but, children are off limits.

    • Richard R

      There is no slope, there is learning why people do what they do. This isn’t about creating rights for people to victimize others. It’s about understanding the human condition and how to help people before they hurt others.

      • ArrogantDrunk

        You’re a cuckold.

        • http://www.circumstitions.com/ Hugh7

          That word does not mean what you think it means.

          • anonymous

            Lol

        • Richard R

          Is that all you have? I’m slightly saddened by the schooling system that produced your education.

          • ArrogantDrunk

            In university talk for you then: Your pathological altruism is a vain attempt to status-signal compassion and will result in bringing unnecessary risk to non-abberant people. Get it now, Poindexter?

          • Richard R

            I’m proud of you. Thank you! Yes, I agree it seems that knowing and doing research will bring harm to humans unlike doing nothing at all and just letting things stay as they are. Good job on the big words.

          • ArrogantDrunk

            The research should really be done on you fella. Why are you protecting the pederasts? Have some unexamined feelings yourself?

          • Richard R

            Who’s protecting pedophiles? Have you or can you select any comment of mine where I say anything that contradicts protecting children from danger. Please show me one example where I say pedophilia is ok. Show me anywhere where I say anything that remotely promotes the idea of anyone hurting anyone. Show me where I say pedophiles or anyone that hurts children shouldn’t be punished or put away? If you can’t or don’t have an example I will wait for your revised response or apology.

          • ArrogantDrunk

            Your jimmies = rustled. Lol

          • Pinchy

            You are a shining example of an educated person with very little ability for intelligent reasoning. Did you really just pull the “oh you’re defending pedophiles? Maybe you are one” and expect anybody to respect your intelligence?

          • ArrogantDrunk

            This is the internet son, nobody cares about your intelligence or your ideas.

          • Grilles

            Which is why you tried to “big-word” your way into an insult, right?

          • Richard R

            Thanks, I have no idea what that means but it really doesn’t matter since you know I’m right.

          • Johnny

            aberrant*

          • Grilles

            Status-signal as a verb? VOMIT

          • flip

            Arrogant Drunk cuckold

            [kuhk-uh ld]
            Spell Syllables
            Word Origin
            noun
            1.
            the husband of an unfaithful wife.verb (used with object)
            2.
            to make a cuckold of (a husband).
            you should at lest insult correctingly correct

            [kuh-rekt]
            Spell Syllables
            Synonyms
            Word Origin
            verb (used with object)
            1.
            to set or make true, accurate, or right; removethe errors or faults from:
            The native guide corrected our pronunciation.The new glasses corrected his eyesight.
            2.
            to point out or mark the errors in:
            The teacher corrected the examination papers.
            3.
            to scold, rebuke, or punish in order to improve:
            Should parents correct their children in public?
            4.
            to counteract the operation or effect of(something hurtful or undesirable):
            The medication will correct stomach acidity.
            5.
            Mathematics, Physics. to alter or adjust so as tobring into accordance with a standard or with arequired condition.verb (used without object)
            6.
            to make a correction or corrections.
            7.
            (of stock prices) to reverse a trend, especiallytemporarily, as after a sharp advance or declinein previous trading sessions.adjective
            8.
            conforming to fact or truth; free from error;accurate:
            a correct answer.
            9.
            in accordance with an acknowledged or acceptedstandard; proper:
            correct behavior.
            10.
            characterized by or adhering to a liberal orprogressive ideology on matters of ethnicity,religion, sexuality, ecology, etc.: Is itenvironmentally correct to buy a re
            al Christmastree?

            Most of the judges in this district have correctpolitical views.

        • Xerxes

          cuckold (noun): a man whose wife has committed adultery, often regarded as an object of scorn.

          And how does that translate into:

          “Your pathological altruism is a vain attempt to status-signal compassion and will result in bringing unnecessary risk to non-abberant people.”?

      • Simes Jones

        well said.

        • William Dean Ziemer

          How is that well said?

          “Finding that something is a disease

          doesn’t mean it’s not a disease.”…?

          so,

          finding that the sum of 1 + 1 = 2,

          doesn’t mean it’s not a 2?

          or

          discovering a rat in the toilet

          doesn’t meant it’s not a rat in the toilet.

          and then,

          “if you’re born with these tendencies
          you are in fact also helping children.”

          so,

          If you are born a child raper
          you are also helping children.

          Why should one read any farther?

          • Richard R

            You should read because you’re only getting a small part of the article. You’re taking a piece out of context. If you’re going to make a decision about something you should be 100% informed.

          • William Dean Ziemer

            I read the whole thing and took nothing out of context; those statements that I (copied and pasted) are just incoherent. Apparently, they are the premise for his following words so where does that leave the reader?

      • Freedom

        Richard, I agree with helping people who may have these inclinations but I am against identifying people by their sexual inclinations. I have a inclination to lie but it does not make me a liar. Choosing to lie makes me a liar. The problem with her approach is that it is a small step to legitimizing this behavior since it is now being certified as an identity and why should we condemn an innate identity? The rational for condoning other sexual inclinations such as homosexuality is based on that same approach. This is only the beginning. Now a man came out expressing his orientation for dolphins. Not a joke, look it up.

        • ophelia

          Different than the lying example. If a priest or monk choose to be celibate, they STILL have an orientation….that is the point. If I choose to be a nun, I will still be heterosexual & don’t mind anyone saying so. Why should I?

          And FYI, everyone is a liar, truly. Whether on purpose or accident (I’ve sworn something to be true before only to realize I was wrong…accidental, but still a lie since it was not true).

          Sexually molesting or raping someone is a crime, wanting to, is not. That is the point here. If you could criminalize a desire, we would all be in jail for molestation, assault (lots of people I would like to throat punch), etc. It is only a crime if you do it, not if you think about it.

          • Aussiemum

            Food for thought…I guess it is generally such a distasteful state to recognise , especially when you have been a victim and become a parent…it is almost impossible to put your hatred & fear aside to give the condition consideration as a treatable illness ( which incidentally I thought had been proven UNTREATABLE ?)

          • Richard R

            Untreatable only because there hasn’t been much research on most sexual issues because of stigma and silly religious ideas.

          • Shelly belle

            That may be true, but the pedophiles we have observed have demonstrated an inability to control their urges. .. so how do you knowingly allow one around children?

          • Gary Carkeek

            That would merely be asking for trouble

          • Richard R

            “There’s no easy answer to that, but you
            want to protect them from sex offenders. Most people who offend are not
            actually pedophiles. It’s interesting: When you talk about pedophiles,
            people think about the children. And they’re right. But what about the
            children who are struggling with this disorder? We need to help them,
            too.”

          • allie B

            So, molestation of children as evil is a “silly religious idea”? I think raping children should be stigmatized, but then I must have silly religious ideas. Are you kidding me?

          • ophelia

            Predilection is untreatable, such as curing one of being hetero-sexual…behavior is always modifiable. If you compulsively act out, that is treatable. There are lots of studies on this. It is not untreatable, it is incurable. Which means, it requires a lifetime of work and follow up & not all will respond to treatment..

          • k

            Exactly.

          • abqblondie2

            Bravo Ophelia. Exactly right.

          • Shelly belle

            24000 children, what is the bravo about?

          • Grilles

            Her comment and understanding of what the article has suggested, not your cherry-picking of a shocking fact that you feel should negate everything else she wrote.

          • Shelly belle

            Because her arguments asserts that we may be capable of treating sickos without considering the consequences of those who fail to respond to treatment. The Consequence Of Pedophiles IN Society Already affects 1 Out of 4 female children, I brought up the missing children because without the bodies we will never truly have an accurate measurement of horror the “predilection” for children is responsible for.

          • Gary Carkeek

            True, but of course, adult men and women go missing too – all are infinitely sad.

          • Shelly belle

            Yes Gary – but If their was a disorder responsible for murdering one out of four adults, we wouldn’t be discussing how to treat that disorder without first making certain that population was not able to murder if said treatment didn’t work.

          • Gary Carkeek

            Agree – especially important with kids, as they simply do not have the capacity for nearly the same reasoning as adults, and thus are the easiest of victims. Protection first, understanding later – and ongoing – so that the minimum of victims suffer, pending greater knowledge (with, hopefully, more ability to eradicate from society)

          • IllaConsiderit

            Well, all of us wouldn’t be,only 3 out of 4.

          • http://batman-news.com PPABootsquadVinnie

            Cue the ‘Sicko’ music intro……

          • IllaConsiderit

            LMFAO :) Now picture Michael Moore with that “concerned questioning” look on his face :)

          • ophelia

            You are assigning things to me I have neither asserted or said. You cannot say what I have & have not considered. You cannot lock someone up who has not been charged with a crime. You know this, right? So yes, I think we should at least try to offer treatment to those who have never been charged, but what do we currently do? Nothing. And yes, if we are in fact planning to release people (which we do RIGHT now…) then I want to see that rehabilitation has been attempted. But again, is that standard now? No. And tell me how that is all working out?

            If you think what we do now is enough & it is in fact preventing cases, then great, I can see why you think this is all a waste of time & people like me are part of some “problem”. This article though, is allll about trying ANOTHER way to ADD ON to what we do in order to see if we can prevent victims. It isn’t about replacing current punishments, sentences, releasing anyone, etc. The current things would STAY…it’s adding another layer…but I guess why bother according to you, huh?

          • ophelia

            The bravo refers to actual data & citing where it comes from. The ONLY thing that matters in improving anything…including child safety, is using REAL facts as the basis to make a plan, find a strategy, change things. Pulling crazy numbers out of thin air isn’t going to help anything. If you want to change REALITY you have to start by basing it in REALITY. Crazy I know.

          • Cyndy Groves

            Comparing pedophilia with homosexuality is completely ignorant.

          • Michael Mooney

            no it’s not, homosexuals are the number one molesters of children, there is a link between pedophilia and homosexuality.
            Harvey Milk was “gay” but he was attracted to young teens.

          • Kristina

            The only link between homosexuals and pedophilia is that homosexuals are incredibly judged and discriminated against in our society, and some (and I mean ONLY SOME) therefore act out with sexual deviance. Imagine if you, as a heterosexual, were not accepted for your sexuality, and indeed unable to have healthy heterosexual relationships as a result of extreme discrimination! Imagine if you could not openly feel and act on your love for another consenting individual because you would be victimized by others as a result! Do you think you would have healthy and acceptable feelings and desires if you NEVER felt able to have healthy sexual relations with others, something every human being has the right, and indeed the biological need to have? We as a society have created this phenomena, and it is not the fault of homosexuality! That is an incredibly ignorant point of view in my opinion!

          • Michael Mooney

            the link between homosexuals and pedophilia is “homosexuals” commit far more child molestations than heterosexuals. period. Homosexuals are “judged” because they are sexual perverts. all homosexuals are sexually deviant.
            Romans 1:27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
            homosexuality has nothing to do with love.
            you are a willful imbecile.

          • Lakewolf Whitecrow

            The verse you plucked out is, in context, about idolatry, not homosexuality. Reread Romans 1 carefully…then read Romans 2:1.

          • Michael Mooney

            only to your delusion mind.

          • Michael Mooney

            only in your delusion mind.

          • Lakewolf Whitecrow

            Hardly. You didn’t actually read Romans 1 & 2:1, I’m guessing. You’d rather rely on Pastor Bob (or whoever your pastor is) rather than relying on the words of Jesus Christ. Read your Bible. People died for your right to do that.

          • Shelly belle

            Ophelia, the behavior may be a choice but that choice kills a child’s soul, so intentionally allowing someone who has a very strong desire to do something to them that scars them for them, can and does physiologically prevent them from having a healthy sex life with their partner. Your studies on recidivism are flawed in that a) you only know that 40% of offenders released into the community certainly will choose to harm a child again but other studies have found that of a group of 341 females who had been sexually assaulted as children – only 11% reported the crime. Child molestation is HIGHLY undetectable, minimally prosecuted and let’s not forget the 300 THOUSAND children that go missing in the US every year, never to be heard or seen again. Wamy to guess who’s disappearing the children?

          • ophelia

            I didn’t cite any studies, and I didn’t do any studies…so *I* have no studies. I was responding to an assertion that recidivism rates was 100%. Now you are asserting 300 thousand kids go missing forever each year, of which I can find no data to back up. The center for missing & exploited kids states 800 thousand are reported missing, 97% are recovered. That would make for 24,000 “never seen again” according to those numbers. And ONE forever missing child is too many….but the exaggerations need to be pointed out. The vast majority of abductions are family members & normally relating to custody issues unrelated to sex crimes in any way.

            AND FINALLY NO ONE has in ANY way said anything regarding ALLOWING someone to do anything. WHAT ARE YOU READING? Because it isn’t anything I have written. No one is asserting giving any rights to pedophiles, allowing them access to children or doing anything remotely like it. So please, back up what you are saying…since I find zero basis for it.

            And please stop schooling me on what molestation does to the victim. I’m well aware…which is why I want to see EVERY effort made to prevent it. That is the point of studying this…to see if we can STOP it. Any assertion that studying it, calling it a predilection, etc is somehow not a prevention is silliness. Predilection literally means a preference or special liking for something; a bias in favor of something. So yes, pedophilia, by definition IS a predilection. No one is talking about stopping anything we already do – this is about potentially ADDING new strategies & tools. Quit panicking & over-dramatizing this. It is a STRATEGY to prevent CHILD MOLESTATION…nothing more.

          • Shelly belle

            One out of four girls at LEAST are sexually abused before they turn 18, I’m not panicking because the real life situation is horrible enough thst it already is a very real crisis. AND I Don’t Need to “Dramatize” what those sick f#&ks do. Stockholm syndrome is not an issue for me I’m interested in protecting the real victims. Let me know how we can safely treat pedophiles WITHOUT giving them a chance to destroy even one child’s innocence, thats a conversation society should be willing to consider, nothing more and nothing less. Perhaps we don’t know much about pedophiles who are capable of not engaging in behavior that damages children but that also includes, we don’t know if such a pedophile exists and if their predilection is as light as my preference for tall men over short or Bundys need to see a woman hurt that is nothing short of an obsessive need.

          • http://batman-news.com PPABootsquadVinnie

            I always wonder about that vague term ‘abused’. Flashed? Purple Nurple? Wet Willie? A$$ pinched? Pigtails dunked in the inkwell?

          • ophelia

            While some of those things may fall under abuse, I do not think most people who say they have been abused mean those things.

            I have had grown men expose themselves to me both as a child and as an adult. While that is truly a red flag behavior which may in fact lead to escalation of behavior later in life, it never occurs to me to refer to that as abuse. I have had my butt touched more times than I care to recall, both in childhood & as an adult, again, it is truly inappropriate, but not what I refer to either. Though I do think technically it is a sexually abusive behavior, to ever touch someone in a sexual manner that in no way wants to be touched. I think all men who think it is cute, ought to rethink it. I’ve never been to a crowded bar (where people seem to think they can get away with such garbage) and not have someone fondle my butt completely uninvited, usually as I walk by & I have no clue who it was. It’s not flattering, it’s invasive.

            The problem is, as a whole, there is often a ton of sexually inappropriate things that happen to females & if you include things like butt touched & flashing, then I would say your odds are closer to 4 out of 4 having been abused than the current 1 in 4 statistic. So I think you can rest assured that when the majority of people are speaking of abuse, it means something far more significant than you have listed here.

          • Shelly belle

            Sexual abuse, ESPECIALLY with male victims, is drastically under reported. I met people in the foster care system as a teen that experienced so much abuse and only a fraction was ever reported. My step sister was 4 when she was touched and they wouldn’t even prosecute him. My abuser got 30 years but we found out years later he had at least twice the victims we thought he did. My cousin was sexually abused horrifically for over a decade and the abusers were never prosecuted. .. they wanted to protect who refused to protect them. So in my real life experience I know more predators who didn’t get caught than did.

          • ophelia

            Stockholm syndrome is not an issue for me either. 😉 I deal in reality. Reality is, this article talks about adding.another.line of potential treatment into what we already do. ADDING on…not getting rid of any, but adding. And you are no more interested in protecting real victims than I am. I assure you.

            And I never said you are dramatizing what pedos do…and you either like to twist words or you really do not take time to process what you read. What I said you are dramatizing is what is being proposed HERE…which is the ADDING of treatment to the CURRENT setup, not removing any. No one is suggesting anything we currently do be stopped.

            Stop acting like we are condoning anything or that we will be releasing them…it is NOT about that and I have made it abundantly clear. NOTHING says that. NOTHING talks about reducing any current measures. NOTHING.

            While you may not have Stockholm, you may very well have PTSD if you get so riled just reading about treatment that you accuse others of all sorts of crazy things like condoning perversion. I DO NOT CONDONE MOLESTING CHILDREN…I WANT IT TO STOP. Is that clear enough?

            Our current system is obviously not enough, hence why there are new victims all the time. This is a small hope that perhaps there is something MORE we could do on TOP OF what we already do.

            And I would have to think that there are some who could be helped by treatment & some that there is no treatment that would have any impact. And perhaps the number of those who could be helped would be very small even. I STILL think we should look at pursuing it if it stops any ONE child from being harmed, it is worth trying. This is NOT a REPLACEMENT to anything…it is trying something MORE than we currently do. Let’s say it only worked in 2% of all potential offenders (meaning those that seek help & have never been charged with a crime). Wouldn’t reducing future molestations by even 2% make it worthwhile?

          • Shelly belle

            Of course – I don’t relish even sex offenders being sexually abused in prison. But how does society protect children while treating predators? And my concern is judges letting these monsters out even earlier than they already do once they have offended. If someone has a disease that MAY infect someone and harm them, we isolate them and keep the public safe while we treat them. The real victims are the children and the facts are a man is more likely to receive more time for raping a 40 year old than a 4 year old. Let’s not even get into sentencing for those who kill children compared to those who take an adults life… not negating the value of adults also, but outlining information that leads me to believe our society does not value children.

          • ophelia

            I completely agree with you,. Our sentencing times are pitiful for crimes against children, sexual & otherwise. Even when a child is killed we sentence most often to less time than if it were an adult which seems completely backward to me. The length of sentencing & parole though really isn’t what any of this is about. I think most, if not all, here would be in favor of lengthier sentences, no time off for good behavior, and more for sex offenders. No matter what though, even if we get that, we will not ever get a person convicted of fondling a child a life sentence for it, it’s tough to get 5 years. So, the point of treatment is to do *something* in hopes of improving odds when they are released, versus doing nothing. I not only don’t relish the idea of them being abused in prison, frankly it frightens me…they will get out & they won’t be “better” for having been abused, they could very likely be even more damaged & twisted & then what? Yikes. And to be honest I can’t imagine how hard it would have to be to do the therapy as a therapist. I know i couldn’t do it.

          • Kristina

            The point of the article though, is that many people with pedophilic thoughts and impulses NEVER become predators, because they choose not to, knowing the terrible effects it has on children. They still feel like monsters inside though, and have terrible personal repercussions as a result! These people are not given a chance to get help, because of the attitudes many have that if you have these feelings, you are automatically a predator. Where is the support and help for these people? I too was molested from infancy to 12 years old, both in my birth family, and in the foster care system, and as a result I had terrible feelings and thoughts that I could not control. I had control over my actions, but not the thoughts and feelings. Where is the help and support for these people who want nothing more than to rid their minds of these horrific things? This is what the author of this article is trying to say. Maybe if we help people before they act on these feelings that they do not feel in control of, we may prevent some of them from ever doing harm to another child. There are many victims of abuse who never come forward, and there are many predators who are never caught, but there are also many people who have scary and pedophilic impulses who never act on them, but have to live with the horrific feelings they have every day, without ever feeling they have the option of getting help. These are the people the author is referring to, and it seems many here do not get her point at all!

          • IllaConsiderit

            Here’s another thing, due cases like the one where 3 three girls whom were held captive for so many in Ohio last year. Everyone thinks anyone with these attractions is also a psychopath. Everyday we all see things we wish were ours ‘that guy sure did have a nice motorcycle” but it would be wrong for me steal it and I wouldn’t feel good about about myself if stole it. That’s me I’m not a psychopath, I’m stuck with crappy human emotions like compassion, guilt, fear. Everyday I also see beautiful woman and think things like “oh’ man isn’t she hot” “if only I could spend some time with >thatsomeoneourselvesknow< that every time iv'e looked at a female and had those "guy thoughs" everyone of those females was not always "18 or over", it would probably upset young women if walked up and asked their age because I wanted to be sure if, "I should or should not" be having a sexual thought about them at the moment in most cases, too. :)

          • AZJEM

            Exactly! And I can say for sure it will mess up a persons life permanently! I am living proof. The reason it was never reported is that I didn’t realize what was really happening at first but can totally remember having actual depression and anxiety at the age of 5 and 6 and having my mom begging me to tell her what was wrong. Years down the road it was blocked out of my memory (safety mechanism) until I was in my 40’s and memories started coming back. It was old songs on the radio that gave me those anxious feelings and little by little the puzzle came together. It was my neighbors. The husband and wife were both gay but in those days you married to keep a good appearance. They had a daughter that I played with who also wound up gay. Well, the mother and father seemed to take a great interest in me as well as the daughter who was 7 years older then me. The mom was my moms best friend so it wasn’t unusual for them to have me over. It looked like they just liked to spoil me. Now I see how it’s not just men but women who have these sick desires. And it makes sense why so many things always got me upset and kept me in therapy for a good many years. I am also an ex corrections officer and had to work around many,many pedophile men and it was just about the hardest thing I’ve ever done. That was even before I realized what had happened to me. Probably a good thing I didn’t know at the time. These incidents go unreported for many reasons. Mine was one reason but there are too many reasons so these animals keep doing it. They must be stopped not cuddled and excused for what destruction they do!!!

          • ophelia

            Trying to understand isn’t trying to cuddle or excuse. The FBI studies criminals & tries to understand them so they can profile them. This is similar actually. It is trying to figure out who is most likely to act out and if they can be treated in an effective way. Because, as a former corrections officer, I am sure you are also aware that they all have parole dates (with rare exception). So they WILL all be out at some point (again with rare exception of the occasional life sentence). I for one would hope we try to do something BEFORE they are released, even if we aren’t sure it will work, it is better to try.

            I am sorry for what you have been through. I never blocked anything, but I know all too well how much of a trigger music can be. I had one song in particular that could make me vomit on cue.

          • Shelly belle

            I’m sorry for your pain, it’s not your fault and you such a strong person. But yes, children don’t get a say to what bogeyman are allowed to prowl the streets, it’s up to to the adults to protect them.

          • Kristina

            Everyone here seems to be completely missing the point of this article! The point of the article, is that many people with pedophilic thoughts and impulses NEVER become predators, because they choose not to, knowing the terrible effects it has on children. They still feel like monsters inside though, and have terrible personal repercussions as a result! These people are not given a chance to get help, because of the attitudes many have that if you have these feelings, you are automatically a predator. Where is the support and help for these people? I too was molested from infancy to 12 years old, both in my birth family, and in the foster care system, and as a result I had terrible feelings and thoughts that I could not control. I had control over my actions, but not the thoughts and feelings. Where is the help and support for these people who want nothing more than to rid their minds of these horrific things? This is what the author of this article is trying to say. She is not even talking about people who have committed crimes, she is talking about people with certain feelings who want nothing more than to rid themselves of these feelings, so that they do ot feel like monsters, and so that they do not find themselves one day acting on impulses that are very difficult to control. Maybe if we help people before they act on these feelings that they do not feel in control of, we may prevent some of them from ever doing harm to another child. There are many victims of abuse who never come forward, and there are many predators who are never caught, but there are also many people who have scary and pedophilic impulses who never act on them, but have to live with the horrific feelings they have every day, without ever feeling they have the option of getting help. These are the people the author is referring to! These are the people she is saying we should offer help to, and it seems many here do not get her point at all!

          • Kristina

            Shelly, sometimes, when that choice kills a child’s soul, it also forces certain feelings and thoughts on that child that they are not in control of, thoughts of harming other children the way they were harmed. Acting on those thoughts is criminal and should indeed be punished as such, but before that ever happens, there should be support and help in place for these people, so that the cycle of abuse can be halted. Instead, people with these feelings, who want nothing more than to be helped to get over them, are not able to receive the help they need, because the attitudes of so many are that you are a monster if you feel these things. Many who feel judged and don’t know where to turn as a result, may end up acting on certain impulses, that they may not have done, had they been supported and helped in the first place. I posted my very personal experience on this matter above today, so if you are willing to look at it from a different perspective, please read it.

          • abqblondie2

            Yes, the recidivism rate among pedophiles is massive, close to 100%.

          • ophelia

            abq I would love to see the data you pulled that from. I have never seen anything close to that in anything other than theories. Any actual data we can pull is nowhere near that even for those with no attempt to treat. I’m not saying I don’t think most will re-offend…but recidivism is based on being caught & it is FAR from 100%.

          • Shelly belle

            It’s 40% of those that are caught and convicted AND many sex crimes are never prosecuted. Often the victim, if able to come forth, is the only witness. It’s EASY to bully a 5 year old on the stand and confuse them. Alot times District Attorneys will not prosecute for that reason alone. So of those we attempted to monitor and treat at least 40% were prosecuted. And what they did the first time has consequences to the victim that destroy their childhood and rob Joys Later IN LIFE, so by all means let them have a chance to do it again like you would a convicted murderer?????

          • billorights

            Good points, especially about getting a 5 year old on the witness stand to testify against his attacker. That would be practically impossible, in my estimation.

          • Cyndy Groves

            Sexual offenders perhaps. I’d also like to know where you got your statistics.

          • Shelly belle

            Cyndy we do not know if a single pedophile is NOT a sex offender, caught, prosecuted or otherwise.

          • IllaConsiderit
          • Cyndy Groves

            While not “curable” or able to completely eradicate, the inclination to act on the impulses is considered treatable via physical and/or chemical castration in combination with other things like talk therapy. Just as certain physical illnesses may not be curable, they may be treatable.

          • Ted Shryock

            15 yrs working with pedo’s and rapists as a caregiver, I have heard and read stories of children who have experienced some of the most horrific events! After yrs of treatment and councilors, they repeat offend ASAP!

          • wisely

            I get your point, but I’m not entirely sure it’s fair to say it’s been proven untreatable. It may be closer to say that no one has yet found a sure way to cure it, which is true of just about everything, including all psychiatric illnesses, cancer, and heart disease.

          • Kristina

            Aussiemum, please read my story somewhere above posted today, and maybe you may see it a little differently. The condition for some IS treatable, and I know from personal experience! Many who have these feelings never want to act on them, and indeed never do. But without help and support for those that have these feelings, and when they are met with nothing but judgement that they are monsters, many end up not being able to control it. Without some amount of compassion and help for people who suffer from this mental illness, many who could otherwise be helped, as I was, may end up making very bad choices, and victimizing others. I’m not saying everyone who has these feelings can be helped, but indeed, many can. I am living proof.

          • William Dean Ziemer

            “orientation” What a crock! It’s called choices and not allowing your twisted imagination to fly freely into what ever morbid darkness passes through your thoughts.

            When some perverted thought comes a long, You must whip it…whip it good!

          • ophelia

            So William, you are attracted to children you just control your imagination? I can personally say I’ve never been attracted to a child, so there is no “choice” in the matter so much as not interested. Is this how people change..they mind over matter this sort of thing? I guess you may be able to enlighten us, since you seem to know how to get past it with your “whip it” theory.

          • William Dean Ziemer

            When Parents are waiting for the child in the mother’s womb to be born, they hope and some pray that the child will be born healthy and normal. If the child is born with any defect that may cause them to appear, act or function in anyway that is not like the massively overwhelming majority, it means something went “wrong” in the development of the child.

            There are “set patterns” in all of nature that, when altered from the norm, one might say the same, “Something went “wrong” in the developmental stages”.

            Whether a person’s behavior conforms to social norms is a different matter and we cannot compare the choices and actions of human-beings to the actions of purely instinctual animals.

            I know of a situation where a hunter applied to his clothing, a mixture containing the hormones of a male deer, intending to attract a doe during hunting season. instead of attracting a doe, a buck came stamping out of the woods and attacked him repeatedly. His wife (I believe) caught the whole thing on tape. The buck had no natural fear of the man; the sent of another buck was the driving force. He sensed the man was competition for does in the area.

            How does this relate? We are not driven by instinct as the animals are. Though we have natural instincts, we are not compelled to follow them. If we were, there would be no firemen, policemen soldiers… because the natural instinct is to avoid danger.

            The human species is on a different level of awareness than the rest of nature. Trying to understand human nature by looking at the rest of the animal kingdom is a sign of ignorance concerning the very thing studied.

            We have a sense of right and “wrong” and along with that 6th sense, we have an ability to knowingly choose to do one or the other; this includes our thought lives, our imagination.

            if a thought comes to mind that is contrary to what our conscience tells us is good, we know it at that moment and we can block that thought or entertain it. Wisdom will tell us which we should do. Human desire, governed by the senses, will usually lead us off the true path. When we get off that path, most societies in the past, would set us back on it by council or by force and we could continue to live a productive and healthy life in the society.

            Not getting back on the path is “wrong” and “unnatural.”

            Counseling people who repeatedly get off the path, or live off the path, that what they are doing is normal for them, is “wrong.”

            Thinking that you are giving wise counsel, when in fact you are telling people who are living abnormal lives that they are normal is in itself abnormal thinking.

            Any “normal” human being who will be honest, though it goes against modern psychology, will say that being sexually aroused by a bowl of fruit, a dead body, a goat, a child or someone of their own sex, is abnormal; it is “wrong” behavior.

            It is not brought on by some deep mysterious psychosis that must be observed and studied to understand.

            It is a matter of being in control of ones thoughts,

            which by the way, is more difficult today than ever in history because we are surrounded by sources of misinformation like this article, movies, television, internet, radio…did I cover them all?

            Then, when one is in control of their thoughts, they act on what they know to be healthy, “the right and not the wrong” and as they continue down that path, saying, “no!” every time a wrong thought tries to enter, little by little they have virtually total control over their thoughts and their actions and they will live a healthy, normal life.

            It’s not a psychosis to be studied; it’s a thought process to be tamed. Be master of your thoughts and through that, your actions. Then live a happy, productive, “normal” life.

            But, I can tell you the best way is this; give up all hope of being right, of being normal; accept that you are incapable of controlling your thoughts and your actions in the way that you believe you should; face all the things you have done in your life that hurt other people in any way; emotional or physical, and then, in-spite of all that, accept that God loves you dearly and wants you to know and experience His love.

            Then, mentally, and from the depths of your heart, deliberately take all those negative things you know of yourself and place them in the arms of Jesus and thank Him (verbally) for giving you back, in their place, only love, forgiveness and acceptance.

            You will be a new person! I assure you!
            God loves you right now!

          • ophelia

            We just disagree. If my child were born with issues i wouldn’t think something went “wrong”…as I believe what I get is what i need, whether i see it coming or not. Plenty of people with differences wouldn’t have it any other way and feel it has been nothing but a blessing in their life.

            However, to the topic, unless your assertion is that general mental disorders are untreatable & that you believe no other people have other thoughts issues that are in fact medical, or physiological, then this makes no sense to me. If you think that all issues of the brain can be cured via prayer, well then we have nothing more to discuss. I simply do not think that. I think the brain, life anything else in the body, can have it’s own problems. Sometimes we are born with the problems, sometimes we develop them via abuse or injury. But the brain, despite housing our personalities, memories, hopes & dreams, is in the end an organ, capable of all sorts of variations that may or may not be pleasant, acceptable or even safe for ourselves or others. I am interested in anything that offers hope at improving that.

            And if you don’t think brain structure effects sexual behaviors…google traumatic brain injury hypersexuality. People with certain types of brain injuries have been know to even try to have sex with siblings, parents, all sorts of behaviors they never would have exhibited prior to injury. Certainly not from a conflict of the soul…but one in the brain tissue. 😉

          • Gary Carkeek

            Sounds like you can actually skip Jesus – just place faith in William, who seems truly to know all things about humans. Does he protest too much?

          • Gary Carkeek

            Naive reasoning, to say the least

          • William Dean Ziemer

            Actually, I’m blessed by your assessment of my writing; Jesus said, “”Truly I tell you, unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.”

            He didn’t say, “If you want…you can be like a child…” but He made it an imperative.

            to those who don’t believe, or those who say they believe but actually don’t trust what God has told us, I am surly like a child in my way of thinking… “to say the least”… and I’m good with that.

          • Gary Carkeek

            You really think such frozen and naive thinking is what your predecessor had in mind when He said that? How do you know what I am writing is not the perfect reflection of His meaning?

          • Ken Wergin

            If you told what you knew was a truth, it is not a lie; when you found out it was an untruth, it is now a untruth, not a lie. A honest person would try to apologize to whomever and share your new truth. This happens in politics often. When the person finds they have told an untruth it hurts their image and ego. If they cover it only gets worse.

          • Shelly belle

            While it may not be a crime until they act on it such as with child pornography, they have no business around children and parents should be allowed to shoot them if found around their children, just like a rattle snake – regardless if they’ve bit them. She forgets to touch on one thing, comparing regular attractions to pedophilia. … Pedophiles are intensely attracted to children, an almost overwhelming desire to act on their impulses as intense as an emotion of rage.

          • ophelia

            And this is why no one would try to get help before offending…because telling anyone would then require you be reported…and people, ALL people, tend to go for self preservation first & these kinds of statements of shooting someone you *think* …*might* hurt your kids, would be counter to encouraging people to get help.

            If we do nothing to make help available before someone offends, then what? We are better off in WHAT way? Are we not complicit in some way with things not getting any safer if we are not willing to try everything we can try?

            I’ve made zero claims anything works (as I do not know the answer & have never claimed I do)…what I am saying is don’t we ALL want to find something that does? I am a survivor & I am a mom….I want every effort made in ANY avenue to reduce this…and I fail to see how trying to understand it & study it does anything that is counter to that.

          • Shelly belle

            Yes of course. But as I said the first priority needs to be the protection of children. I feel horrible for those who are abused and later act out the abuse. BUT I am also out of patience for societies willingness to continually allow sex offenders to reenter society.

          • Kristina

            Right on Ophelia! I have posted my personal story here, but in case you haven’t seen it, I will share it with you, so that you know you have the right thoughts on this matter. I was molested many times as a child (by two father figures), and as a result, in my younger years, I had fantasies, and thoughts that would be considered pedophilic, and even took advantage of other younger children when I was only 10 and 11 years old! I certainly had some serious mental illnesses due to what happened to me as a child, and I was terribly ashamed for many years because of it! I felt like a monster, and that NOBODY would understand the thoughts that I had in my head! Because of people who have attitudes like many of the ones portrayed here, I never would have sought help for my problem, NEVER! Then, one day, I confessed to a very good friend who I trusted, when I was about 20 years old, and she showed me nothing but compassion, and understanding. Because of her compassion and understanding, as well as the fact that I was terribly depressed, I sought therapy to help me overcome what had been done to me, and spent many years healing, and learning how to love myself again. If I had not had that experience with my friend, and if I had only been met with the kinds of attitudes like many on here, I would have never gotten help, and I very well could have acted on my impulses as an adult, not because I did not know any better, but because I would have had no means of releasing and expressing the horrific feelings I had inside, and dealing with them. As long as people think the way many here think, people with this mental illness, which I had, will continue to molest children. If we want the cycle to be broken, we need to stop being ignorant, as so many here seem to be. None of these people know what it is like to have feelings like this, and to not feel like anyone would understand, and to feel like a monster. And when you feel like a monster, and feel like people will only ever see you as a monster, how do we think a person will act?… Like a monster! This article sheds light on something that many people need to be open to seeing, and I believe it will save many of our children from being victims the way I was! Maybe if someone had seen my abusers before they became perpetrators, in the way my friend and therapists saw me, the way the author of this article sees it (and you too), they would not have done what they did to me! The cycle stopped with me, ONLY because people showed me compassion and understanding for what I was going through, a mental illness created by post traumatic stress. People’s ignorance here only serves to perpetuate the problem, and if they truly want to help end pedophilia, they need to open their minds to the truth about this issue, the very truths spoken about in this article! This IS NOT a black and white issue here, as many portray it! We need to open our eyes to what the author is saying. Her thoughts could save many from ever feeling the need to victimize children, and to me, this is a good thing?! Glad to see someone else here seems to agree with me! (o:

          • billorights

            Exactly. And it is the ability to RESIST temptation that builds character and makes it easier to simply “not do it”. Ask any ex-smoker or ex-drinker. All you need to do is “just say no” to the temptation, and it gets easier as time goes by to resist it. All providing “therapy” for pedophiles does is give them an excuse to act on their desires, by characterizing their condition as mental disorder that just needs to be “understood” better, rather than as a heinous crime against innocent children.

          • Kristina

            It does NOT get easier without help and support in place! That’s like saying if a person with depression acts happy instead of depressed, it will get easier with time! Even if you are able to resist, the feelings are still there, and they can tear a person apart (I know from personal experience)! The author is not talking about providing therapy for pedophiles, as many here seem to believe (is anyone actually reading the article?!). She is saying give people with the impulses (the mental illness), but who still resist the feelings to act on them (because they know it is wrong and will do terrible harm), a form of support and help to overcome the feelings BEFORE they act on them!

          • billorights

            I understand what you are saying, Kristina. I’m actually glad you showed up to post some of your comments now, because I didn’t feel exactly “right” about what I wrote 9 days ago.

            I have personally undergone almost 10 years of group psychotherapy, and can testify that it really helps. I never had a problem with pedophilic impulses, but just the experience of finding out that you are not “alone” with whatever feelings may be bothering you is an incredible discovery. Many people describe feeling “human” for the first time in their lives. I know this was my general feeling, after I had been in group therapy for a couple of years. It basically teaches you to have compassion not just for others, but also yourself. It was a very positive experience for me, and I don’t doubt that it can help just about anybody, including pedophiles.

            It is feeling completely ALONE that often causes people to go “over the edge” and commit horrible acts like pedophilia. I would now revise my earlier statement to include what I wrote here – that just being able to TALK about these feelings in an open, non-judgmental environment can indeed help immensely with being able to cope with them and not act out on them.

          • Kristina

            Thank you for sharing billorights! It’s nice to see you know what I am saying! I have very personal experience with this exact thing. I’ve posted about it, but it keeps getting deleted when I post it as my own post for some strange reason. I don’t think I have said anything I shouldn’t be posting on here, but someone must! I shared it with Jessie just a few comments above, and that one has not been deleted yet, so please feel free to hear my story. I too spent many years in therapy, and it helped me immensely! Talking, and getting things out there, is the first step to healing. Good on you for finding your voice to open up whatever feelings you needed to release, and for finding the right place to do it effectively! (o:

          • billorights

            Thanks, and “good on you” also for jostling my own memory here. I am truly convinced that I would not be alive today, had it not been for the therapy I received during the early 70’s and late 80’s. My oldest brother was not so fortunate. He committed suicide when he was 30 years old. I KNOW that he was struggling with the same issues that I was having.

          • Kristina

            Wow, I am so sorry about your brother! That is what is so sad about all of this. There are truly good people out there who have terrible things going on in their minds, and if we could only show acceptance, compassion, and understanding, these people have the ability to be helped and to heal! I’m not saying people who do bad things as a result of what is going on in their minds should not have consequences to their actions, as many here seem to think the author above is saying, but that we need to give them the opportunity to heal these things before they act out on them. Thank you for speaking so honestly with me.

          • billorights

            You are most welcome! I hope that this little exchange will be read by others, and help to soften their own views towards people who commit violent acts. I’m not saying violent criminals shouldn’t be punished either, but I also believe that people who do these things also need help, and the main reason they do these things is because they aren’t getting any help, and they feel isolated, alone, and unloved. It is also quite likely that they themselves were victims of child abuse and pedophilia, and this is “all they know how to do”. These people really do need help much more than the contempt that they traditionally have received. I’m convinced that that is the only sensible way to truly reduce crimes like pedophilia.

          • Kristina

            Agreed! Hopefully, like you said, maybe others will see the points of views we have expressed honestly here. Some people are so closed minded about things, and it makes me sad that people are so unwilling to see things from different perspectives! Life is not black and white. There are so many grey areas in between. I hope you are happy in your life now after all that you’ve been through, and I wish you well! (o:

          • jessie

            so your saying its ok to think about having sex with a child ?? Wtf is wrong with you ? Are you that pathetic ? Be with a woman not an innocent child ! Thinking about having sex with a child is disgusting and for the people saying its ok to think about a child sexually ? You deserve to get tortured in
            hell!

          • ophelia

            I don’t know how you are responding to me or what post of mine, but either you clicked on the wrong person or can’t read. No one has said it is okay to think about…no one & certainly not me. Please quote me in your response if in fact you want to accuse me of saying things, so I know what on Earth you are talking about.

            What I have said is:

            “No one is talking about stopping anything we already do – this is about potentially ADDING new strategies & tools. Quit panicking & over-dramatizing this. It is a STRATEGY to prevent CHILD MOLESTATION…nothing more”

            Please read it over like 20 times & then respond. I copied & pasted it from my last post. I am not sure how that could be interpreted in any way to elicit the response you gave.

            This is NOT about condoning…it is about identifying those who may be a threat & figuring out if there is a treatment. If that is a scary idea to you, I am not sure why. I think you all read a headline & then throw out crap without using your brain first. This article isn’t like the headline reads (headlines are to draw in clicks…nothing more)…so those of you who don’t bother ACTUALLY reading make yourselves very obvious in the comments with this silliness. Just sayin.

          • Kristina

            I posted this above, but feel the need to re-post to you here. This is truly a very personal story I am about to tell, and indeed, I can’t even believe I am putting it out here like this, but I believe what I have to say needs to be said, especially to someone like you, and many others here who refuse to see it from this angle, an angle the author of this article is trying to portray! If you believe I deserve to get tortured in hell for my story here, than you are a terrible person in my opinion, and perhaps you deserve the same! I was molested many times as a child (by two father figures), and as a result, in my younger years, I had fantasies, and thoughts that would be considered pedophilic, and even took advantage of other younger children when I was only 10 and 11 years old! I certainly had some serious mental illnesses due to what happened to me as a child, and I was terribly ashamed for many years because of it! I felt like a monster, and that NOBODY would understand the thoughts that I had in my head! Because of people who have attitudes like yours, and some of the ones posted here, I never would have sought help for my problem, NEVER! Then, one day, I confessed to a very good friend who I trusted, when I was about 20 years old, and she showed me nothing but compassion, and understanding. Because of her compassion and understanding, as well as the fact that I was terribly depressed, I sought therapy to help me overcome what had been done to me, and spent many years healing, and learning how to love myself again. If I had not had that experience with my friend, and if I had only been met with the kinds of attitudes like yours, I would have never gotten help, and I very well could have acted on my impulses as an adult, not because I did not know any better, but because I would have had no means of releasing and expressing the horrific feelings I had inside, and dealing with them. As long as people think the way many of you here think, people with this mental illness, which I had, will continue to molest children. You want the cycle to be broken, stop being ignorant, and read the damn article! None of you know what it is like to have feelings like this, and to not feel like anyone would understand, and to feel like a monster. And when you feel like a monster, and feel like people will only ever see you as a monster, how do you think a person will act?… Like a monster! This article sheds light on something that many people need to be open to seeing, and I believe it will save many of our children from being victims the way I was! Maybe if someone had seen my abusers before they became perpetrators, in the way my friend and therapists saw me, the way the author of this article sees it, they would not have done what they did to me! The cycle stopped with me, ONLY because people showed me compassion and understanding for what I was going through, a mental illness created by post traumatic stress. Your ignorance here only serves to perpetuate the problem, and if you truly want to help end pedophilia, I would suggest you open your minds to the truth about this issue, the very truths spoken about in this article! This IS NOT a black and white issue here people! Open your eyes to what the author is saying. Her thoughts could save many from ever feeling the need to victimize children, and is this not a good thing?!

        • Richard R

          Finding that something is a disease doesn’t mean it’s not a disease. Children should be protected at all cost but if you’re born with these tendencies you are in fact also helping children. Research doesn’t legitimize crime. It allows us to understand why something happens so that we might be able to keep it form happening. That is why this is important. Research like this helps to keep people from committing crimes and it lessens the chance of someone becoming a victim. Any and all research that gives us insight into human behavior is good. Keeping your eyes closed and pretending something doesn’t exist serves no purpose.

          • Stephanie

            I’m deathly afraid of what’s in the dark, and the only way I can go outside in the dark is when I close my eyes and “pretend” that nothing exists so I can sprint to my car just so I can go somewhere. Guess what, it does serve a purpose, for me to make it to my car or wait till daylight.

          • Richard R

            If you have a personal issue and you have to close your eyes to help you get over that issue there is nothing wrong with that. We’re not being literal here, it’s a saying. Like keeping your mind closed to information. Your issue is an apple to my orange.

        • Richard R

          What a person is and what they do are not the same thing. All sexual behavior is natural but not all sexual behavior is healthy. Pedophilia is dangerous because of the attraction to children and because it causes the person with pedophilia to have a hard life. Being gay has nothing to do with wanting to have sex with children. If I judged people by how much crime was committed I would think being straight is a disease since most crime is commited by straight people but that is not the case. Gay people have relationships like straight people and the only reason why it was considered bad was because of religion but religion and holly books aren’t science or facts, they are beliefs in the things no one can see or proof.

          • William Dean Ziemer

            No, homosexuality is inherently wrong and unhealthy for the homosexual and society. The whole world shouts wisdom on this; there could be no murderers, sodomites or pedophiles if not for the NATURAL order of reproduction.

            Reproduction within species is the natural, normal, healthy way in all of nature. That can only happen naturally in mammals when there is a male and a female of the species copulating naturally.

            On the crime issue, I’m not doubting your statement that “most crime is committed by straight people” but I’m sure you realize that the statement cannot stand on its own; I mean, doesn’t it have to be related to percentages of heterosexuals in society committing crimes as opposed to percentages of homosexuals in society committing crimes?

            I haven’t done a study so I can’t make any claim.

          • Richard R

            What you’re saying then is that even when homosexuality happens in nature there is no purpose in it? Homosexual behavior does appear in the natural world. You are also making a massive statement about the entirety of nature as if we humans fully understood everything about it and we don’t.

            If we did, there would be no disease or half of the horrible things that naturally happen. I think it’s quite remarkable that someone can claim to know exactly how nature works. Did you also know there are animals that never need a mate because they can impregnate themselves? Did you know some animals can literally create twins of themselves without mating? Did you know there are animals with both genitalia including humans? Did you know it’s possible for a girl to get pregnant without ever having sex with another male (very rare but possible)?

          • William Dean Ziemer

            When Parents are waiting for the child in the mother’s womb to be born, they hope and some pray that the child will be born healthy and normal. If the child is born with any defect that may cause them to appear, act or function in anyway that is not like the massively overwhelming majority, it means something went “wrong” in the development of the child.

            There are “set patterns” in all of nature that, when altered from the norm, one might say the same, “Something went “wrong” in the developmental stages”.

            Whether a person’s behavior conforms to social norms is a different matter and we cannot compare the choices and actions of human-beings to the actions of purely instinctual animals.

            I know of a situation where a hunter applied to his clothing, a mixture containing the hormones of a male deer, intending to attract a doe during hunting season. instead of attracting a doe, a buck came stamping out of the woods and attacked him repeatedly. His wife (I believe) caught the whole thing on tape. The buck had no natural fear of the man; the sent of another buck was the driving force. He sensed the man was competition for does in the area.

            How does this relate? We are not driven by instinct as the animals are. Though we have natural instincts, we are not compelled to follow them. If we were, there would be no firemen, policemen soldiers… because the natural instinct is to avoid danger.

            The human species is on a different level of awareness than the rest of nature. Trying to understand human nature by looking at the rest of the animal kingdom is a sign of ignorance concerning the very thing studied.

            We have a sense of right and “wrong” and along with that 6th sense, we have an ability to knowingly choose to do one or the other; this includes our thought lives, our imagination.

            if a thought comes to mind that is contrary to what our conscience tells us is good, we know it at that moment and we can block that thought or entertain it. Wisdom will tell us which we should do. Human desire, governed by the senses, will usually lead us off the true path. When we get off that path, most societies in the past, would set us back on it by council or by force and we could continue to live a productive and healthy life in the society.

            Not getting back on the path is “wrong” and “unnatural.”

            Counseling people who repeatedly get off the path, or live off the path, that what they are doing is normal for them, is “wrong.”

            Thinking that you are giving wise counsel, when in fact you are telling people who are living abnormal lives that they are normal is in itself abnormal thinking.

            Any “normal” human being who will be honest, though it goes against modern psychology, will say that being sexually aroused by a bowl of fruit, a dead body, a goat, a child or someone of their own sex, is abnormal; it is “wrong” behavior.

            It is not brought on by some deep mysterious psychosis that must be observed and studied to understand.

            It is a matter of being in control of ones thoughts,

            which by the way, is more difficult today than ever in history because we are surrounded by sources of misinformation like this article, movies, television, internet, radio…did I cover them all?

            Then, when one is in control of their thoughts, they act on what they know to be healthy, “the right and not the wrong” and as they continue down that path, saying, “no!” every time a wrong thought tries to enter, little by little they have virtually total control over their thoughts and their actions and they will live a healthy, normal life.

            It’s not a psychosis to be studied; it’s a thought process to be tamed. Be master of your thoughts and through that, your actions. Then live a happy, productive, “normal” life.

            But, I can tell you the best way is this; give up all hope of being right, of being normal; accept that you are incapable of controlling your thoughts and your actions in the way that you believe you should; face all the things you have done in your life that hurt other people in any way; emotional or physical, and then, in-spite of all that, accept that God loves you dearly and wants you to know and experience His love.

            Then, mentally, and from the depths of your heart, deliberately take all those negative things you know of yourself and place them in the arms of Jesus and thank Him (verbally) for giving you back, in their place, only love, forgiveness and acceptance.

            You will be a new person! I assure you!
            God loves you right now!

          • William Dean Ziemer

            This is an edit to my previous comment:

            You asked me,

            “Did you also know there are animals that never need a mate because they can impregnate themselves? Did you know some animals can literally create twins of themselves without mating?”

            Yes, I knew these facts and that is why, I stated, as I did,

            “Reproduction within species is the natural, normal, healthy way in all of nature.
            >That can only happen naturally in mammalsmammals<, when a, healthy, normal, male and female of species copulate.

          • ophelia

            I’m sooo glad you brought Jesus into this…because there have never been cases of pedophiles in churches, like ministers, clergy, other people of faith who were able to pray away their dirty thoughts about kids. You are right, MUCH better to pray about it than try to study, understand & treat it. You must alert the media how wrong they have been about how many kids have been molested by Christians.

          • William Dean Ziemer

            Hmmm,… classic misunderstanding, denial and obstinate rejection of God’s love. And with that, an unbalanced view of reality.

            But, I understand; until a person has been stirred from their slumber and awakened from their mental mirage by God’s loving touch, there is no way for them to accurately see and understand the spiritual matters under God’s rule.

            They have no divinely given spiritual compass with which to discern what is said in the Holy Scriptures nor can they appreciate that not all who carry a flag are necessarily patriots of the country represented by that flag.

            Jesus Himself taught that not all who claim His name are true disciples of His, And the Apostle Paul who wrote most of the teachings in the New Testament, continued with that thought, warning the believers that many would come in the name of Jesus and many would teach false doctrines leading people away from the grace of God, which is the Gospel, and into religious activities and adherence to laws, which have no power to purge the lustful desires of the flesh and give one confidence and boldness in the presence of God.

            Yes, I’m aware of the atrocities carried out by religious prigs, the leaders of great congregations gathered in gaudy cathedrals and their underlings who put on their special clothing to set them selves apart from us sinners.

            Here is the difference; the truth, which may now sound cliché; “God wants relationships with us, not our religions.” and for that, “You must be borne again.”

          • ophelia

            Don’t tell anyone…but I *am* born again. And I would still take my kid to a Dr for tourrette syndrome instead of an exorcist. I believe in God AND science. Hard for some to grasp. I don’t pray for things an antibiotic can fix. I don’t know any born again Christians who do, but I do know they are out there. Some take no medical interventions at all, not even for diabetes.

            The fact that we disagree on this doesn’t make me a heathen in need of saving nor in need of you using your divinely given spiritual compass to interpret Holy Scriptures for me. I feel quite fine with my ability to accurately see and understand what is under God’s rule and what we, as thinking, intelligent humans, capable of studying are in fact meant to do with our human given gifts (like develop antibiotics, insulin, therapies for schizophrenia & tourettes, etc.).

            But thank you just the same for assuming that I must not believe if in fact I also think that you can’t pray away everything.

          • William Dean Ziemer

            Both the word “Christian” and the phrase “born-again” have lost their clear original intended meaning with over-and misuse and today means very little when a person uses them like a label. to know the truth, one has to observe the actions and words of the person claiming these titles.

            Maybe you can understand that a casual look at how you responded to my mention of Jesus, might lead a person to “assume” that you were against Christianity. After all, you came on like “the accuser of the brethren” and left not even a hint of your faith in the finished work and resurrection of Christ.

            Even now, as you attempt to make a confession of faith by saying, “but I *am* born again”, every thing else you say, seems like an attack against Believers who know the power of God for healing or a defense for yourself for not believing; I’t’s not clear which it is.

            It seems more like a defense though, because I din’t bring up anything about taking or not taking medicine. I have been taking thyroid medication since I had surgery to remove those glands when I was a child (about 60 years) and I have taken cold medicine and pain pills for headaches.

            What I am against is this lie, that a person is “oriented” towards things God has told us not to do, as if that is who they are and nothing they can do except get treatment and take meds.

            God has power to close Pandora’s box, which has been opened by the Psycho industry in saying first, that Homosexuality was a disorder and finally “normal”. which was the first step in a long journey towards doom for society.

            Next, the lunatics will study why some children like to be molested and then 9 year old children will be allowed to marry 40 year old adults. And why not; Mohammad did it?

            No… Pray and resist! And if you really are “born-again”, in the sense that Jesus was explaining to Nicodemus, you might consider taking the side of God and His Holy Scripture… and science only as far as it aligns with God’s will for your life…You do know and consider God’s will for you life don’t you?

          • Gary Carkeek

            OMG, you truly are that prig, buddy. self centred and so, so opinionated. Sickening.

          • William Dean Ziemer

            I’m not at all offended by your attack against me personally Gary, but just what exactly did I say that somehow focused on me? If I say what I know to be the teaching of the Holy Scriptures, based on 40 years of studying them, how is that Self centered?

            If you have studied them and have come to a different conclusion, there is always room for discussion.

            If a mechanic, with years of experience were to make strong specific comments on some site talking about car problems, would you also call him, “self centered”.

            It’s easy to throw mud when people say things that you disagree with; it takes time and patience to put your thoughts into words and try and express your side of the story. So again I ask, what (specifically) did I say that would make me self centered?

          • Gary Carkeek

            If the mechanic fixes cars, but thinks that invisible little men run inside the engine once you petrol in the tank and turn the ignition . . . . . . .

            I don’t want to offend you, Will, I am merely pointing out you write as if you were Jesus – a true authority.

            “No… Pray and resist! And if you really are “born-again”, in the sense that Jesus was explaining to Nicodemus, you might consider taking the side of God and His Holy Scripture” – nothing egotistical here, then, Will? Of course not, so long as you are the arbiter of what constitutes a true Christian. Is a true Christian a person who: 1) says they are: 2) Gone through a ceremony 3) had an actual experience of what St Paul called Epignosis (“assured knowledge) – being a condition where we know, and know THAT we know?

          • Gary Carkeek

            “Yes, I’m aware of the atrocities carried out by religious prigs, ..”- first hand, no doubt

          • Gary Carkeek

            hehehehehee

          • ophelia

            So therefore all people naturally infertile are inherently wrong & unhealthy for themselves & society? How about those that are fertile, but are physcially or mentally incapable of caring for offspring…are they okay, or also inherently wrong/ I just need a full picture here to understand who is inherently right & who is inherently wrong.

          • hope rosary…

            The sin of sodom ezikiel 16:49… this is was it is to be a sodomite… the cry of sodom came from Lots daughter who is said to be named Plitith… (her story is In the sacred Jewish text of midrash) Plitith would go to a well in sodom to get water and she would feed a starving stranger… the people of sodom found out and they burned her to death because they veiwed the starving stranger as most would veiw a feral cat… “if you dont feed it… it will go away…” while she was burning she cried out to God in prayer! God heard her crys of and in innocence and thus was the cry of sodom… the sin or iniquity of sodom was “the habit of vexing strangers” as one author I read pointed out… and as you will read in Ezikiel 16:49 God him self makes it perfectly clear…

            the acts of rape

          • hope rosary…

            That were to be performed on the two stangers (angels) Lot brought in to the gates of sodom were what all the people of sodom men and women alike would perform on all who tried to enter sodom who were strangers… they did it as a sort of initiation… or way of shaming them and dominating them and dehumanizing them into leaving… the bible talks about how God wants ( and possibly even commands ) people to be welcoming and hospitable and even charitable when people come to the gates of our citys… the people of sodom were evil and vile heterosexual and homosexual alike… they were all lustful gluttonous greedy and all the rest of the seven deadly sins… heterosexuals have sex with same sex people all the time in prison and in porn and well even just to see what its like… this doesnt make them homosexual because when they are done with say prison if and when they get out they are straight as an arrow… the motto is what happens in prison stays in prison…

            Believe it or not may same sex couples are in chastity but really that is between them and God… and is no oneelses buisness… just as your chose to be in chastity is your business and between you and God…

            God is love… love your neighbor as yourself… Jesus commaned us to love… they will know we are christians by our love… by our love…

            Praying for you… blessed be…

          • William Dean Ziemer

            Sorry, Jewish legends and traditions have no more effect over what the Scriptures actually teach than Catholic Myths about Mary. I’ll have none of it thank you.

            All of the holy Scriptures are inspired by God and good for teaching and exhorting…not all traditions of men.

          • Gary Carkeek

            But, you will decide, based on what you have been brought up with, what is Holy Scripture. Can you SEE the actual holiness in scripture? That is, read and decide what parts of the Tradition have been written to convey True sanctity, and which parts are history, or not intended to be ‘sacred’?

          • Gary Carkeek

            Thanks William, we can now dispense with Jesus, and worship your greater knowledge. Will Zee Saves

          • William Dean Ziemer

            As if you have not already “dispensed with Jesus” Gary.
            But as Jesus said, “If they hated me, they will hate you”. So it fits like a glove doesn’t it?

          • Gary Carkeek

            Great Judge Will, as well now, eh? Only the action of God Himself will determine if you are, or are not, currently, a True Christian. Same with me, Will. Self-assertion does not seem in the Sacred Books to be much of a reliable indicator, lol.

          • William Dean Ziemer

            Gary, by calling me a judge, are you not judging?

            Instead of calling me a judge, tell me where I am scripturally wrong .

            And here is just a few examples of scripture for you, since you seem to be using the word “judge” as if it only had four letters,

            “Do you not judge those who are inside? But those who are
            outside God judges. Therefore “put away from yourselves the evil person.” (1 cor. 5:12-13)”

            “For I indeed, as absent in body but present in spirit, have already judged (as though I were present) him who has so done this deed.” (1 cor 5:3)

            “Do you not know that the saints will judge the world? And if the world will be judged by you, are you unworthy to judge the smallest matters? 3 Do you not know that we shall judge angels? How much more, things that pertain to this life?” (1 cor 6:2-3)

            I happen to believe the authority of God, which was promised in the Old Testament, given to the Church through the death and resurrection of Jesus and sealed in us by the Holy Spirit of God, is more than a quaint idea. I take it seriously and I speak it authoritatively; That is not because I think anything of myself apart from Christ but because I know Christ is in me… I’m not playing Christianity; there’s too much at stake.

          • Gary Carkeek

            Your own version, Will. Your own version. “As if you have not already “dispensed with Jesus” Gary.” – you don’t think that is judgmental??
            And, what exactly is a Saint, Will?. Is your interpretation of scripture the only recourse you have?
            Do you have any direct experience of a Higher Reality?
            Can you apply that experience to scripture in a manner that clarifies your experience for another who has also had the experience, or is all your capacity in that regard second hand, so to speak? That is, a mere belief that somehow, all this is correct? Do Great Christians include, say, Ramakrishna, Siddhartha Guatama, Mother Theresa of Calcutta, The Dalai Lama? I say they are wonderful Christian souls, in the best possible sense of the Word :-)

          • William Dean Ziemer

            Maybe you didn’t read my other response to you;… I am not denying that I am judgmental; I in fact confirmed that I am and gave scriptural references as to why I must be, which also clarified that the word “judge” is
            not a curse.

            Regarding that, If one doesn’t agree with the teachings of
            Jesus Christ, If one doesn’t agree that He, and only He, died in our place to put us in right standing with God the Father, if one rejects the truth of His resurrection, then they have rejected Christ Himself.

            The word “Christian” comes from the word
            “Christ” and that is the Greek translation of the Hebrew word Messiah, (the one who, as prophesied, was chosen and anointed to deliver Israel).

            The word “saint” refers to “holy” and the Apostle Paul used it to describe all believers in Christ because He also taught
            that holiness or “sainthood” came through Christ’s obedience to God right up to and including suffering and dying on the cross.

            Sainthood, according to Paul the Apostle, is a gift from God given at the cost of the life and blood of Jesus; any attempt to make one’s self holy is rejected by God because His standard is absolute perfection; Jesus is that absolute perfection and there is no other.

            Those who believe in truth and accept what Jesus did, have that absolute perfection in the core of who they are; though their body, which is perishing, cause them to act otherwise at times, they are holy in the presence of God who has placed His presence in their hearts.

            If you want to throw out the meaning and translations of
            words and go by your gut feeling, (which would, in fact, be “your own version”), then you have the freedom to call that
            traitor sitting in the Oval office of the White House a saint or a Christian if it makes you feel better. But with respect to the life giving truths in the Holy Scriptures, there is no shadow or twisting of their meaning.

            Still, it is given only to those who have accepted God’s free gift to us, to understand what the Spirit of Christ is telling us as we read these divinely given and preserved
            words.

            I am not ashamed of proclaiming that there is only one God
            and only one connection between Man and God; the unique title “Christ” belongs only to Christ Jesus, the Only Son of God born to men; I have been made aware of that truth by the Spirit of God, not by my “own version” or interpretation of the Holy Scriptures.

            Not everyone who calls themselves Christian, is in fact a
            Christian; not everyone who appears saintly and does kind and wonderful acts, is in fact a saint; not everyone appointed by some institute of religion has an
            eternal calling that sets them apart from others.

            “But God chose the foolish things of the world to shame the
            wise; God chose the weak things of the world to shame the strong.”(Corinthians+1:27)

            I was one of those foolish things; I was one of those weak
            things; but God Himself called me to Himself and gave me faith to see Him and believe the Gospel of Christ, at a time when I mocked Christians and their God; He filled me with His Holy Spirit soon after that experience on a night when I
            was not seeking to be filled; He has spoken to me in an audible voice on various occasions; He has given me a vision and told me to pray and the vision and the prayer came to pass; He called me to a country that I had no desire to go to and gave me faith to do that which I had no desire to do; He continues to move in me in ways that
            prove who He is and expound on who I am because He loves me.

            So yes, I do have, “direct experience of a Higher Reality”,
            not because I am good but because God choose me, and if anyone has been “truly born again”, they can confirm what I am saying because the same Spirit that works in me to say these things is also in them and will be a witness to them of what I am saying.

            “8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. 9 As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto
            you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.” (Galatians 1:8-9)

            Now (that) is the kind of judgement you may be thinking of
            and Paul knew how to use it and he did; the Church also (all believers in that Gospel) have the same authority when speaking under the influence of the Holy Spirit.

          • Gary Carkeek

            Sigh. God did and does not speak directly to or through you, William. Had He, you would not have replied in the manner you have. Though you may do some good works in this world, and though I respect you are at least trying in your own way to fulfill the biblical life the best way you can, you are also a danger to free thinking. You are a ‘Fundamentalist’ – you have no understanding of what I was querying in my last post. I shall give you a hint, for all it may be worth, for there are so many thousands upon thousands of people just like you who exactly like some of those Paul sent his letters to, to attempt to assist them in the True Path of Christianity, rather than let them in their multitude subsist in darkness, thinking it Light. St Augustine said “That which is known as the Christian religion existed among the ancients, and never did not exist; from the beginning of the human race until the time when Christ came in the flesh, at which time the true religion, which already existed began to be called Christianity”. There you have it – one of the best quotes to assist you from the darkness of the outer, toward that Light which shines only on the Inner.

          • William Dean Ziemer

            Wow Gary, your knowledge of truth is incredible! You can quote the Pope’s “Saint” Augustine but are void of knowledge of the teachings of the Apostles, (or at least of believing them) who by the way were hand picked by Jesus and told that the Holy Spirit, when He came, would teach them (ALL THINGS CONCERNING HIM).

            The fact that you don’t believe that God has not changed His mind and still speaks to and through those He chooses is perfectly normal; and again, these things don’t offend me; I expect it from most people. Very few will humble themselves to hear what I am saying and know who it is who uses me. Jesus told us as much.

            If anyone was puffed up here,(and I’m only going by this quote you just gave me) it’s your man Augustine who thought himself a philosopher. I’m not spreading the ideas of men as your religious fellow seems to have done.

            I’m sharing what God has shown me in His Holy Scriptures (“Holy” meaning pure and unadulterated with human philosophies). I have not limited my self to what others tell me but have read all the Scriptures, from Genesis to Revelation, over and over and continue to read them and search what God is saying through the Holy Spirit. And yes, he has spoken to me through these as well.

            Again, it’s not surprising that you reject me as having any truth form God; the natural mind is apt to judge anyone who makes such claims…I do it myself at times… and so did the majority of the masses when some average looking guy suddenly appeared, with that backwoods Galilean accent no less, and started making wild claims and telling people to drink His blood.

            I have no argument with you; my argument is always with the powers that would distort the truth of God, trying to force His truth into philosophy, religion and now …Political Correctness, which is not much different than a religion.

            So I pray God does what ever is necessary in your life, to get you to a place where He can get beyond what you think to be truth and there, give you a dose of His Grace and faith; I pray He will reveal His great and unsurprising love for you personally.

          • Gary Carkeek

            You might want to: A) Find out who he was (much of your theology is from him) B) Consider the meaning of the quote. Maybe add to that a little history of Christianity. You probably won’t, since you currently do not want to go to Ninevah, however I know of a fish who can convince you to turn around and take that direction. I also know this will take time, as the experiences God involves your soul with do their work in increasing your wisdom and understanding. Presently, you are prepared only for the planting of the seed. The day will arrive when you will enjoy the fruits of that seed, the shade of its Tree, linen from its fiber. Take for your staring point, William, that you KNOW very well your own level of wisdom, and it does not include epignosis.
            Current versions of biblical literature (there is NO defined set of books that can be claimed as the absolute canon) CONTAIN the True Wisdom, William – any English translation does not contain an entire volume whose every word is directly from The Lord of the Universe, which is a silly concept for the immature. Growth is the key, but that is entirely subject to God’s Will, not yours or mine. Rest happy, but remember all things are subject to change – and our own attitudes are the most recommended of all things to consciously try to change.

          • William Dean Ziemer

            Well Gary, as I said, I have no argument with you; my
            argument is a spiritual one based on the Holy Scriptures and what God has revealed to me through them by His Holy Spirit. It seems to me, (“It seems” I say) that your interests and what you find important, are based on the academic knowledge one might gain from much studying in a vast array of religious ideas; in-fact, if my senses aren’t throwing me off here, you are actually proud of your learning.

            I really don’t care about that mundane pseudo-spiritual
            stuff; my source, the Holy Scriptures, which is from God alone, is incomparably greater than human wisdom and knowledge; it would be foolishness on my part to not be extremely content and truly blessed with that; and really, anyone who thinks they pretty much have that under their belt, hasn’t understood much of it, if any at all.

            And yet, just studying it and grasping its superficial
            meaning can be either useless or a stumbling block in understanding the point, which is the eternal nature of the truths embedded therein. And these, as I have already used Scripture to point out, can only be known to those who have been born again; not by some outward public display of religious traditions but with the inward circumcision or the heart.

            As Jesus pointed out to the religious Big Heads of His day, “You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life; and it is they that bear witness about me, yet you refuse to come to me that you may have life.”

            I am not tempted in the least to consider what a person crowned a “Saint” by the Catholic Institution has to say about the Holy Scriptures, and especially not his own philosophies. Even if I did, my studies of him would have to be down on the list of importance since the Holy Scriptures contain abundantly more than I am able to digest even after 40 years of sifting through them. But If I did feel like I wanted to spend more time with extra Biblical reading, before Augustine, there are plenty of true saints who died as martyrs, under the consent of the Popes, whose writings and biographies would interest me much more and rightly so.

            I’m not saying that Augustine was not a born-again believer
            but after 40 years of following Jesus, I would think I would have heard of how he fought against the lies of the institution which concluded he was a saint. The idea that he did not, gives me reason to put less importance on what he has to say.

            Gary, I’m taking an educated guess that you have a higher level of learning than I do, whether through a college, a university or by educating yourself through whatever resources are available, which is my preferred method,
            (though I never consciously planned it that way, it’s just an observation I’ve made about myself). The point is, I really don’t care; the love God has lavished on me and the spiritual enlightening I’ve received through His Holy
            Scriptures, revealed by the Holy Spirit, is more than I would have ever imagined before He got hold of me; a time when I mocked anyone who believed in Jesus.

            You speak as if you are absolutely certain that I haven’t a
            clue what I’m talking about and it appears that you base that on what you have come to believe by reading other people.

            As for myself, I have every confidence to stand in the
            presence of God with Jesus Christ as my mediator and have no conscience of sin. From this position, I will attack everything that rises up against the knowledge
            of the true and only Christ Jesus and His Gospel.

            As a great and learned man once said,

            “For I determined to know nothing among you except Jesus
            Christ, and Him crucified.”

            My prayer for you remains and is sincere.

          • Gary Carkeek

            Your prayer is not sincere, William, you have merely avoided my points like the plague, thus ensuring you are not able to verify the understanding and enlightenment you claim. Your attempt at humility is slightly embarrassing. I also wish you well and hope above all that your stay in your ivory tower is short rather than tortuously long. Perhaps God is allowing you more time before you are further acquainted with truth, so that you will more readily absorb it when it does descend.

          • William Dean Ziemer

            Hey Gary, you say,
            “Your prayer is not sincere,…”

            Now it sounds like you are claiming divine revelation.

            And you continue:
            “you have merely avoided my points like the plague,…”

            Much of what you say would be a plague to a struggling believer and as I said, appears to come from a puffed up view of your higher learning and “thus” not worthy of a response since I already explained; I am not at war with you but with spiritual matters involving the Lies of the enemy of God and with the truth in Christ.

            You go on:
            “thus ensuring you are not able to verify the understanding
            and enlightenment you claim.”

            I’m under no pressure or sense of obligation to verify what
            I have claimed to you or even an angel; Christ in me is my verification and for anyone who has been (truly born-again) who has the spirit (and therefore the mind of Christ) they can testify as well.

            Truth is a power in itself and doesn’t need to be verified;
            it’s a seed that will be received or not and will grow or not but I can’t prove spiritual truth nor can any human being on their own, apart from the Spirit of God quickening their words to a specific hearer or group of listeners

            Not everyone believed what Jesus taught and He didn’t bother trying to explain Himself to those who were around Him.

            “Eat his body and drink his blood??? This guy has lost it!!!
            I’m outa here!…Who’s with me?”

            But at another time, He told His disciples that the word is
            like seeds that are cast out on the field; some land on good ground and others on shallow ground…

            Then you slam me again:
            “Your attempt at humility is slightly embarrassing.”

            If my humility is only an attempt and if it seems embarrassing to you and others, still, it is at least an attempt at humility and not an attempt at condescending. Still, we know that God is “Judge” and I trust my actions,
            and my motives for them, to Him alone.

            Then you say:
            “I also wish you well and hope above all that your stay in
            your ivory tower is short rather than tortuously long.”

            You don’t hesitate to make a proclamation concerning your
            insight into my heart; into my motives for my prayer for you and at the same time you say “I also wish you well…”
            first of all, I didn’t “wish you well”; this was and still is my prayer:

            “I pray God does whatever is necessary in your life, to get
            you to a place where He can get beyond what you think to be truth and there, give you a dose of His Grace and faith; I pray He will reveal His great and unsurprising love for you personally.”

            But again, I have no interest, nor is it productive, for me
            to attempt to convince you of my sincerity; my prayer is (for you) to God not (to you).

            Your wishing me well amid a plethora of belittling remarks
            seems, (I only say ‘seems”) disingenuous at best.

            And you finish with this:
            “Perhaps God is allowing you more time before you are
            further acquainted with truth, so that you will more readily absorb it when it does descend.”

            To this last statement, which obviously was meant to sting, I say amen! I have not arrived as yet and I am confident that God has so much more that He will reveal to me and all He
            reveals is truth. And of course, the more one absorbs the truth, the more readily one may receive that which follows.

            I should say though, that recently (though I have known
            these things textually for years) He has shown me (with faith) that all was accomplished through Christ; and at His death, though we who are alive today were yet unborn, received the inheritance of the Father. So now, all things in
            heaven and earth and whatever belongs to Christ, whether creations or powers, are ours through Him and they have been unlocked through His resurrection from the dead.

            Our only work, if one chooses to call it such, is to continue in the Holy Scriptures locating and claiming for ourselves, all the promises and proclamations God has given concerning those (who believe) as we lay aside all doubt and keep pushing towards Jesus with the grace and faith He has given us in Christ.

            To God be the glory through Jesus Christ our Lord. Let His
            authority be established in hearts and minds.

          • Gary Carkeek

            :-) No intention of my last comment stinging, William, though I’m not surprised it does. You are probably a person who does what amounts to ‘good works’ There are subtle differences in people who really do have a Higher Order of understanding of Real Christianity, and the ‘niceness’ that a comfortable life with all around you agreeing with your point of view permits. I’ll ask again, despite your previous flagrant ignoring of the question. Are Ramakrishna, Siddhartha Guatama, Mother Theresa of Calcutta, The Dalai Lama Christians? Here is an opportunity for you to make a clear statement (bet yo won’t though – because you are outside your comfort zone with this, and are more likely to blather bout how faithful to Jesus and god you are, lol)

          • William Dean Ziemer

            No sting at all Gary, I think you misread my intention in my
            wording but if it had stung and I had believed it was from God, then I would have done as it is written,

            “In everything give thanks, for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus concerning you.”

            I’m beginning to think I was maybe wrong in thinking you
            have a higher education than I do, unless “Gary” is a pseudonym used by two or more persons and the last entry was made by the less apt of the commenters; or,
            another option is, you’re getting annoyed by my persistence in referring to Holy Scriptures and your anger is causing you to lose your footing.
            Whatever the cause, your last comment doesn’t seem to live up to the standard I’ve seen from you in our short but educational spar.

            Actually, I disagree with your “subtle differences” premise;
            for me, the difference is obvious when comparing “people…” to “niceness” but as a teacher of ESL in a foreign country, I’ve learned to look past the lay out of
            the words and get to what the person is intending. Nevertheless, I disagree with your intended meaning on this as well; the difference for me is also obvious when comparing a person who actually has a relationship with the living God through Jesus Christ by being truly born-again, and one who is surrounded by Yes-men.

            I try not to compare myself to others but if I were to do
            that, I certainly would not fit into the later and what the finite mind might consider the more luxurious of the two; I am under attack for my stance on many mainstream Christian issues and am frequently battered by fundamentalists. But as it has been with you, my fight is for what the Scriptures actually say and for the simple truth of the Gospel of Jesus Christ. These things always seem to ruffle the feathers of those who are swinging to the liberal side of
            understanding the Holy Scriptures.

            As for this issue that seems to just be dogging your mind, no Gary, (That is your real name isn’t it?) there was no “flagrant ignoring” of your question; there wasn’t even a slight edging to one side; I answered you clearly in a way I assumed you’d understand. It was my mistake for assuming; one of us doing that is already too much.

            But so that we are absolutely clear on this, I’m copying and
            pasting your question, which you followed with your own answer:

            “Do Great Christians include, say, Ramakrishna, Siddhartha Guatama, Mother Theresa of Calcutta, The Dalai Lama? I say they are wonderful Christian souls, in the best possible sense of the Word :-)”

            This is the answer I gave to you:

            “If one doesn’t agree with the teachings of Jesus Christ, If
            one doesn’t agree that He, and only He, died in our place to put us in right standing with God the Father, if one rejects the truth of His resurrection, then they have rejected Christ Himself.”

            This would have seemed to have narrowed the nominees down to a workable number a bit but I see now it wasn’t’ clear enough; so let me be perfectly and unequivocally clear; No, the Dalai lama is not even a nominal Christian; he is not a Christian at all! How can he be? The word Christian has a definite meaning and it doesn’t include a
            state of zen; though it would include forgiving the sin of zen.

            I have not read anything that Mother Theresa of Calcutta
            wrote aside from a hand full of quotes, which I don’t recall, nor have I read any biographies about her life so my answer would have to be, I don’t know. As she was a Catholic, I’m sure she had a working knowledge of who Jesus is and could have explained the Gospel and probably believed it on some level; none of these
            makes a person a Christian. If she was a Christian, her theology was most likely a mangled mess of idols, (the worst of which is the demon that poses as the Virgin Mary) swirling around various versions of who Jesus is, was and will be.

            The Gospel of Christ being the cornerstone of salvation, none of the mix of myths and men’s traditions she may have agreed with, though they be building material that will go up in flames, would disqualify her from being
            a truly born-again believer and as such being my sister in eternity.

            As for Ramakrishna, Siddhartha and Guatama, never heard of them so I refer you back to my original
            answer; my guess is that the guidelines will disqualify them all. I noticed too that you failed to mention Mahatma
            Gandhi. From what I understand (from the movie) he started out with at least some interest in Jesus Christ but, if anyone can ever put much value in what comes out of a movie, he was not a truly born-again believer in Jesus Christ; he was not a Christian.

            You said of the entire group,
            “I say they are wonderful Christian souls, in the best
            possible sense of the Word :-)”

            What you say doesn’t line up with Holy Scriptures so it
            appears as if you reject the teaching of the Holy Scriptures or feel it is more spiritual to pick and choose which verses line up with your PC view of the Bible; is that right?

            It wearies me to have to say this again but it must be said;
            my war is not with you. You seem to want to fight a war of humanistic pseudo spiritual values and I am fighting against lies that rise up against the Gospel of Jesus Christ
            and the pure doctrines of the Holy Scriptures.

          • Gary Carkeek

            Thanks William, this last clarifies. Been a while since I dipped my cup in these waters, and I had forgotten how literal and possessive/exclusive are so many persons who call themselves Christians. And always on the inviolable Bible, about which so few have studied. What is found studying the origin and detail of the various canon is not only the richness of the material, but also how it flows from one period to another, and how many of our assumptions are proved incorrect. The parroting and exhorting of Jesus Name by people who have no idea what the Name means, and what it did in biblical times. Without a study of Hebrew/Aramaic and Greek, your actual ability to understand biblical material is limited, notwithstanding the platitudes that every church seems to have taught its dupes – “Jesus knows every language”, “If you’re born again, it doesn’t matter” etc etc. I say that before we can battle the ‘lies’ that rise up, we must first eliminate them from ourselves – a doctrine as true and as unpopular as it seems to have been in St Paul’s day. there seem to be various ‘levels’ of understanding, and we seem to progress to our personal limit and then need to take great pains to go further. At the end of the day, I am sure you are where God wants you to be, and my communications are not welcome from your point of view. Keep trusting in Him, William, but be aware that trust will be challenged. Keep your eye on truth, and the challenge will end in better vision. Rile against it, and you will become mired in what now looks like firm ground.

          • William Dean Ziemer

            Hey Gary, I see you’ve added “parroting… dupe” to the
            long list of insults you have used to try and whittle me down to size; thankfully, I know who I believe in, which is quite different than knowing what others have said about who you believe in. To be honest, there is nothing in all that you have written that truly reveals what you actually do believe in, but what you have stated here so far would seem to indicate that finite knowledge is at the top of the list… and speaking of parroting…

            You have your extra biblical understanding of the Bible, which you seem to take great pride and confidence in, it’s possible that you have approached the Bible in a strictly academic attempt to know its contents and maybe you were even hinting that you have studied Hebrew/Aramaic and Greek to do so, if that’s the case, bravo! Learning new languages is a definite challenge that takes great discipline if one is to reach a useful level of understanding the new language. It’s possible that your confidence in your knowledge is what prevents God from breaking your heart with His love.

            On the other hand, my pride has been utterly broken by God; I know the darkness crouching in wait inside me, but I know also that Christ has conquered death and given me power to rule over it. I have nothing great in this life to claim, nothing to boast about except that Christ died for sinners like me.

            God has poured out His great love in a spectacular display
            of passion and emotion for all creation to be amazed at and the amazement that one experiences is turned into an expression of that same love.

            This is what the word Christian actually means.

            The authority that it took, to raise Christ from the dead,
            is the same authority that raises Christians up to live for God. It is not through following any set of guidelines; it is each individual knowing the love of God for them and by faith, taking all of God’s promises and setting them in
            motion by speaking them into their own hearts and minds with the same authority that raised Christ up and by the power of the Holy Spirit working in us..

            You keep repeating the word “Christian” as if you think you have some greater intellectual grasp of it that morons like myself couldn’t possibly understand. But you have only an academic understanding of things, whereas I have surrendered myself to God and to His Christ; By God’s grace in me and by the faith He has established in me, I am already in an eternal relationship with God and it will not fade away.

            You have your books and your learning and your confident
            stance in them; I am one with the living God. I have the mind of Christ; you have the teachings of men; I have been chosen and set apart; you have chosen to set yourself apart. I have no credentials that any institute established by men would recognize but God is with me and I have no doubt. You have knowledge of various facts and the philosophies of numerous men. I have a sure foundation;
            you have a house of cards.

          • Gary Carkeek

            The essence of what you write is such a common theme among persons who claim Christianity as their own. You are both more eloquent and likable than most, but still suffer from an earth-bound sense that only a person who claims the Christian faith can be a true Christian. My remarks aren’t personal; in the sense of insulting you, William, they are a genuine reflection of my observations of your posts and my evaluation of them. Book learning does not limit one’s ability to be ‘with Christ’ – it will almost certainly only enhance that relationship if indeed the relationship is really there. Saddle me with arrogance if you must, but I feel the seeds I have sown will truly bear some fruit in greater understanding for you in the long run. I do not see your pride as at all utterly broken – read your post again in five years and you will surely be able to admit as much. William, being a True Christian is a growing, not a one time ‘I believe’, and then that’s that. I need to burst that bubble, as it is one you will otherwise not be able to handle without a great deal of time on the matter. Many are called, and few are chosen – if you really want to be a chosen one, you need to practice a little more Spiritual flexing and stretching exercises. I do like your ability with words, and enjoy your clarity of expression. However my principle purpose, and role here is to goad, so that you do not tarry by the wayside. May you “…abide under the shadow of the Almighty”

          • William Dean Ziemer

            Hey Gary
            There may be a reason why what I claim as truth when I write, “is such a common theme among persons who claim Christianity as their own”;

            it’s as if there is this connectedness in thought, like they draw their information from the same source; it’s strange.

            It appears that all of us odd people have some misguided idea that “Christianity” is about “Christ”.

            Go figure!

            But that just can’t be the case, right?

            Yet if I start referring to myself as a Buddhist and explain
            to them exactly what it is I believe, I’m betting they will assure me I am a “Christian” and not Buddhist, though they would probably try to enlighten me about the true meaning of both and show me their similarities, which I would politely reject, then turn to you and thumb my nose.

            Theologies (or philosophies) aside, as I said earlier, the
            word “Christian” has a specific meaning, which has been accepted and used by those of the English speaking peoples for as long as English has been a recognized
            language and is only slightly modified from its original sources.

            “The Greek word Χριστιανός (Christianos), meaning
            “follower of Christ”, comes from Χριστός (Christos), meaning “anointed one”,[6] with an adjectival ending borrowed from Latin to denote adhering to, or even belonging to, as in slave ownership.[7] In the Greek Septuagint, christos was used to translate the Hebrew מָשִׁיחַ (Mašíaḥ, messiah), meaning “[one who is] anointed.”[8] In other European languages, equivalent words to Christian are likewise derived from the Greek, such as Chrétien in French and Cristiano in Spanish.”(Thanks Wilki…)

            It’s use, with regards to the interpretation I am using,
            along with the overwhelming majority of…,

            -EVERYBODY-

            had a starting place in the history of the
            world;

            “Then Barnabas departed for Tarsus to seek Saul. And when he had found him, he brought him to Antioch. So it was that for a whole year they assembled with the church and taught a great many people. AND THE DISCIPLES
            WERE FIRST CALLED CHRISTIANS IN ANTIOCH.”
            (Acts 11:25, 26)

            You can call yourself a Christian or whatever you like but when you describe to others what you believe a Christian is, (which you have yet to do) if they have half a clue, they’ll recognize your deception/delusion.

            God called me when I was a mocker; a person with no Church or religious back ground, a person who disdained those who claimed to be Christians and wanted to tell me about Jesus.

            I was not “born-again” in a Church; I was lying on my back,
            after “lights-out”, on the top bunk, in my cubical, at the south west corner, to the right, just inside the double door entrance, on the second floor of my army barracks at Ft Monmouth NJ on October 15th 1975.

            I was totally convinced in the salvation of Jesus Christ and
            my new “right standing” with God. My heart and head were both in amazement that, in fact, God does exist and Jesus Christ is truly His savior.

            The next morning, I immediately told my bunk-mate of my nocturnal translation from unbeliever to Christian to which he laughed out loud mockingly and reminded me that I was a smoker, took drugs, was drunk always and had the
            foulest mouth of anyone he knew.

            I said,

            “I know, you’re right, but now I’m a Christian.”

            to which he retorted,

            “What denomination are you then?”

            In those days, my education and my vocabulary were nil at best; I was being trained as a long distance communication equipment repairman so I knew a few technical words the average person would know but I didn’t even know what the word meant and I told him so.

            “Which church do you belong to?”
            He asked me.

            “I don’t belong to any Church.” I replied.

            (seems like his last name was Penny)

            “Then you’re not a Christian; you have to belong to a Church to be a Christian.” He advised me with sternness and authority.

            “Well, I don’t know about that; but I know I’m a Christian.”

            In a few days, my fellow soldiers were sick of me and they
            were followed in the next few weeks by my friends and family who were responding to my evangelical letters with “Yeah, that’s great Bill; you found religion; keep it to yourself please.”

            I met with three other new believers at a bar in Red Bank,
            where we would order wine and bread and go through the Holy Scriptures encouraging each other with no religious leader standing over us telling us we shouldn’t be
            doing that in a bar and especially not while puffing on big cigars.

            I’ve never been a member of any Church though I’ve been a regular attendee of a few and even taught in their Sunday Schools. I recognize only one Church and the members are spread throughout the world and Christendom, from Catholics to Holy Rollers.

            The requirement for me to recognize a person as my
            brother/sister in Christ, is that one confess that Jesus Christ is the eternal son of God and that they believe in their heart, that He died for the sin of the world and that God raised Him from death and He is now seated at the right hand of all authority; that there is no other name in heaven or on earth, by which we must be saved, than that of Jesus Christ.

            As Paul said, so I say,
            “…even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you,

            let him be accursed.” (Galatians 1:8)

            “As we have said before, so now I say again, if anyone
            preaches any other gospel to you than what you have received, let him be accursed. For do I now persuade men, or God? Or do I seek to please men? For if I still pleased men, I would not be a bondservant of Christ.

            But I make known to you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached by me is not according to man. For I neither received it from man, nor was I taught it, but it came through the revelation of Jesus Christ.” (Galatians
            1:9-12)

          • Kristina

            In todays day in age, it makes me so sad to see such ignorance and discrimination! Attitudes like yours make me sad that I am a human being! Sexuality, both in humans, and in ALL other aspects of nature, comes in many different forms, as does love, and pleasure! For you to only be willing to view it from such a narrow minded point of view, makes you incredibly uneducated, and inherently wrong on the subject! The whole world does not agree with you at all, and in fact, most completely disagree in this day in age. There was a time when much of the world thought that people of color were worth less than white people, but that did not make it right! Your opinion is incredibly narrow minded, and offensive in my opinion, and I know many would agree with me.

          • Guest

            In all aspects of nature sicknesses exist, yes that’t true… and wherever those sicknesses that involve homosexuality in the mammal kingdom exist, it’s obvious that the species can not do what is the most natural, “reproduce its kind”. It is not normal

          • William Dean Ziemer

            In all aspects of nature sicknesses exist, yes that’t true… and wherever those sicknesses that involve homosexuality in the mammal kingdom exist, it’s obvious that the species can not do what is the most natural, “reproduce its kind”.

            It is not normal.

            In another 20 or 30 years you can come back here and argue that the pedophiles, which this article is talking about, are normal and we should accept their feelings and let them have sex with 9 year old children if the child agrees because… as you so eloquently put it,

            “ALL other aspects of nature, comes in many different forms, as does love, and pleasure!”

            Don’t look now but there is a major kink in your armor when it is constructed of caparisons to the rest of the animal kingdom; most mammals are born walking and have sex with their mother or sister if the time is right; a Lion will kill his male offspring so that he can have sex with the female offspring and if you spray female hormones on a cardboard box the males of some species will have sex with that. Where does that leave you in your argument?

            I’m sickened by your argument! You compare people born with “natural” features like skin color, eye form or hair type, to a sexual disorder born out of twisted views of normal sex and now nurtured by a society dumbed-down by people who call themselves doctors but have no understanding of human nature at all. And how can they when they make comparisons of human behavior to that of the rest of the animal world?

            Comparing digestive systems and other biochemical actions of the body is obviously useful in the field of true medicine but behavior comparisons would be an act of ignorance and maybe excusable if it were not educated people doing the comparisons; people who put a plaque on their wall and call themselves healers.

            Human beings are on such a grater level of awareness (compared to animals) it is stupid to try and connect the dots that just don’t exist. What group of animals on the face of the earth ever established rules for governing themselves in-order to improve their lives? Where does that ability come from?

            It is our awareness that some actions are good and productive for ourselves and those around us and some are destructive to the whole of the human race.

            It is not an instinct; some mysterious, undefinable, inner-awareness of danger, potential food or water or the need to procreate like that of the lower species of animals have; it is the innate ability to see that there are absolutes regarding right or wrong actions and to know and expect consequences resulting from those actions.

            Based on this knowledge, societies create laws to govern themselves by and it is an absolute necessity for them to do so. It is also necessary to have a system of correction to administer to those who refuse to go along with those laws.

            it is obvious though, that society as a whole, is decaying and can not be expected to last another thousand years unless some major cure is found for this self destructive “behavior” called Political Correctness.

          • Kristina

            You say “Human beings are on such a grater level of awareness (compared to animals) it is stupid to try and connect the dots that just don’t exist. What group of animals on the face of the earth ever established rules for governing themselves in-order to improve their lives? Where does that ability come from?”. Yes, humans are on another level of awareness, and therefore we have true love relationships, and love each other for other reasons than just reproduction! When you say “it’s obvious that the species can not do what is the most natural, “reproduce its kind”, aren’t you negating this very fact? On one hand you say we have greater awareness, and on another you seem to be saying we exist only for our biological instincts! You are contradicting yourself! We have the ability to govern ourselves, we have the ability to improve our lives, and we also have the ability to feel true love that is not necessarily connected to our biological needs to reproduce! What is wrong with that?! Who is it hurting? How is homosexuality bad for the human race? Reproduction is not the meaning of life (and indeed, with the population explosion, and how we are killing our planet as a result, it should NOT BE!). LOVE IS! It is haters like you who are bad for the human race! You quote me and imply that I would condone pedophilia by what I have said! Are you serious?! I am referring to love and pleasure between two consenting adults, where no ones innocence is being taken advantage of. Children are not yet sexually mature, and are definitely not what I was referring to. I know this from personal experience, as I was molested by three different (heterosexual!) men in my life. Adults have maturity, and have the ability to consent with maturity, and therefore what they do in the bedroom, or in their personal feelings for each other, should not concern anybody but them! There are many other terrible atrocities that are happening in this world that people like you should be concerned about, instead of how consenting and worthy adults choose to love each other. This world needs as much love as it can get, no matter what form it comes in, as long as it is not hurting anyone! And it is hatred and discrimination like you have shown here, that is far worse of a problem in this world today than love between two people of the same sex! Love is love, and hate is hate. Which one do you condone? Your words say it all! I don’t even know why I am responding to your post here! Your ignorance doesn’t even deserve my time! I’m going to go to bed with my beautiful girlfriend now!

          • William Dean Ziemer

            Kristina, you draw inaccurate and unfair conclusions; where did I say I hate anyone? I didn’t even allude to it and that is because I don’t. You are offended by my words and you strike out at me. I am offended by your words but I am not calling you a hater.

            Yes, I did use reproduction of the species as a reference to
            point out that though homosexual activities do occur in the animal kingdom, it is still “unnatural” and from what I’ve studied (not much admittedly) these observed homosexual activities are not prolonged relationships they are quirks.
            They don’t become uncontrollably impassioned by it and invent new ways to heighten their pleasure by any means possible including using strange “unnatural” objects; it is still an instinct to procreate though, for whatever reason, their instinct is off. But like I said, with animals, if you spray
            hormones on a cardboard box, that’ll do it for them.

            I noticed that, whether by intention or by accident, you
            failed to mention the conclusion I made concerning our “greater awareness”;

            “it is the innate ability to see that there are absolutes
            regarding right or wrong actions and to know and expect consequences resulting
            from those actions.”

            If a homosexual’s drive is normal and society must change to respect their desire, then what about people whose desire is to lay with dead bodies, or animals, or ham sandwiches, or… and what gives Europeans, North
            Americans, Australians… the right to say to some countries in Africa or other parts of the world that only people who have matured sexually according to our standards can become a wife or a husband to an adult?…Where does that sense of justice come from? Who makes the laws that govern societies?

            If there is no absolute right and wrong that exist apart
            from social rule, then everything is up for grabs and no one has any right to tell anyone that they should or should not behave a certain way and we as a people are arrogant to tell other peoples how to run any aspect of their societies.

            If in some African countries, all of society accepts that a 9 year old girl is to be given in marriage to the highest bidder, what superior set of rules can we use to prove they are wrong?

            What superior set of rules can we use
            to prove they are wrong?

            The article here is about pedophilia; not homosexuals. Pedophiles are people with feelings, emotions, love, compassion and some form of righteous indignation just like homosexuals, necrophiliacs or heterosexuals with any kind of paraphilia; none of it is normal or healthy. When any of these sick, abnormal behaviors are practiced in secret, no one knows and no one cares.

            But when it is advertised as normal and pushed into
            societies face every day more and more and because of it the sickness increases, spreads and infects our children and when there are people like the psychohealer who wrote this article, telling us it is not a matter of sexual fantasies gone awry; denying the existence of absolute right and wrong and ignoring the truth that the twisted person’s failure to keep their un-natural desires and passions under control is the problem, then yes, all of these are harmful to all of society.

            How can I know that? (and I have no doubt)

            Just like you and everybody else; it’s embedded in our DNA and encoded on our spirits… We know!

            Kristina, I love you as you are! I don’t care what you’ve
            done or how you live; I love you now because you are a fellow human being; but truth is truth and that truth shines on my life and my “quirks, sicknesses and depraved twists” as well.

          • William Dean Ziemer

            I’m slipping; I missed this glaring issue; you said,

            “The whole world does not agree with you at all,…”

            You are living in a PC world looking at the real world with PC colored sunglasses. You are greatly mistaken in your narrow “Western World is the World” way of seeing the world.

            Even in the Western World, it is only the PC press that perpetuates what you are saying; there is a huge, lazy, mealymouthed group of people out there who are completely in disagreement with your views.

        • William Dean Ziemer

          It’s pretty simple; you tell them “Do that even once and we’ll cut your testicles off…(surgically and humanely of course).

          I’d guess the rate of Child molestation would drop…don’t ya think?

          • William Dean Ziemer

            It is totally insane to say that these people have no choice; you show them what their choices will cause them and they will choose a different path…like controlling their twisted fantasies.

          • Richard R

            Well isn’t that the point in the article. She’s saying more research is necessary to help everyone. She wants to keep pedophiles from molesting children and she wants to protect all children. She’s concerned to find a good way to help pedophiles that doesn’t cause their lives to be destroyed before they’ve committed any sort of crime.

          • Kerry Mullins

            That’s the exact tact they took with gays in the 70’s when the APA was infiltrated by gays.

            ‘We need to help them’, that legitimized them. Her partners in crime have the other reins of this direction to normalize the behavior and to demonize those of us against that behavior…

            We’ve seen how this is going to play out. Now bakers are being sued and losing their businesses because they don’t agree with someone’s lifestyle choice….

          • Richard R

            It’s hard to respond to silly comments. So one or maybe 2 bakers out of thousands and thousands has been sued for being an ass. Is that all you have? Where do you get the information that being gay is a disease outside of flawed logic and silly superstition? If you say god says so, please do not respond.

          • ZMAN_DUDE

            Being Gay or Homosexual is a PERVERSION of Normality. Period. If you think putting your tool in the Exhaust Pipe of another human being is not perverted, You are then okay with anything. The Moral Question is this. Who gave us the gift of Sexuality???? Is it a gift from our Creator, God himself or is it a gift we give ourselves??? Your answer to the above question reveals who and what you serve on a daily basis and determines where YOU will spend ETERNITY and with whom.

          • Richard R

            Jesus talks is irrelevant and has no place in science or anywhere else outside of church. That is the only response Jesus talk deserves.

          • ZMAN_DUDE

            Ah, yes. So tell me Richard. Was the Earth a big blob of matter and everything came into existence by the Big Bang or did the Earth have a Creator just like a Timex has a Creator???? Again, the Moral question you will not answer. Who exactly gave us Humans the gift of Sexuality.??? Your answer reveals who you serve. Jesus Christ is only irrelevant to those who deny Him and have no relationship with Him. You will spend Eternity somewhere.

          • Guinevere

            The Big Bang theory was formulated by a Priest who most certainly believed in a Creator, in fact, THE Creator. So….it is not an “or” it is properly deemed an “and”

          • marah natha

            Plenty of people smarter than you believe in Jesus. Here you are denying Christians the right to express themselves but Christians have to channel gay expressions and think gays are right. Phony bologna. You might brush up on your English as well. Jesus talks IS
            ?

          • Lakewolf Whitecrow

            Maybe you should move to Syria to see what REAL persecution is!
            As Christian, I find the simperings and crying of discrimination utterly abhorrent. We as Christians are to follow the examples of Christ. Study the Book of Matthew.

          • Greg Rickard

            History and science prove you wrong. It’s interesting that many archaeological findings have shown the Bible to be true–while not one has ever disputed the Bible. I mention the Bible because it is the ultimate proof that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. Try naming another book that is batting a thousand in fulfilled prophecies.

          • djr417

            thats the dumbest statement Ive ever read. the bible contradicts itself numerous times, we dont need archaeology to dispute it (though it does).

          • Guinevere

            You obviously do not understand what you are reading, contradictions and all…so, stick to your expertise…whatever that is.

          • waltinseattle

            keep your eternity b.s. off of my penal codes.

          • Sam Medina

            Even in the framework of Darwinian evolution, homosexuality is AT BEST a mental illness which goes against the prime directive of reproductive life forms: survival to reproduce. Thus, even if you’re an evolutionist and an atheist, the only rational view is that homosexuality is an aberration contrary to the drive for genetic survival.

            Now, I’m not an evolutionist, so I know the underlying causes of homosexuality are spiritual.

          • https://sillyolme.wordpress.com/ Kay Brown

            Not neccessarilty. One hypothesis is that male androphillia is an evolutionarily SELECTED trait that helps families by having such individuals focus their attention and resources into helping their siblings raise their children. It’s called the Kinship Selection Hypothosis:

            http://psi.sagepub.com/content/17/2/45.full

          • Txtraveler

            I heard that one way back when it was called the “gay uncle theory”, and it’s still nonsense. Families without gay men are at no disadvantage compared to those with them…in fact, it’s the other way around since they don’t reproduce.

          • Guinevere

            lol…oh, shut up…

          • Nebs

            Citations please.

          • kealiaTID

            being gay isn’t a lifestyle choice just like being a pedophile isn’t a lifestyle choice. Who would want to choose to be a pedophile?!?! people are born with these disorders.

          • LansingL@aol.com

            I think it is amazing to think that the more people like PPA and Kealia,who think they are more enlightened than the rest of us when in reality it is the exact opposite. So if we take your logic to its conclusion, no one is responsible for their actions. So no matter what you character defect or weakness is you were just born that way. In other words I like to kill people because I can’t help myself AKA Ted Bundy, John Wayne Gacey etc. I am overweight because I can;t control my need to over eat. I was born that way. I abuse drugs and alchohol. I was born that way etc.etc.etc That is so ridiculous it is stupid beyond belief. Because you might have more of a weakness in a certain area does not give you license to act on it. ” Every Man / Woman will decide in their own mind what is right’. No standards or absolutes. They call that Anarchy.

          • AZJEM

            THANK YOU!!! Finally someone with a sound mind around here! I was thinking the exact same thing. Just another way to not have to be responsible for ones actions. That’s the problem with society. It’s all someone else’s fault or the person has an illness blah blah blah. I wonder if one of these idiots have ever had a family member or loved one molested by these perverts. Well, that would/should change their mind or hopefully open their eyes. This is going to back up the courts even more then they already are with this BS!!!

          • Dan Chak

            You didn’t read the article, did you? Just read the title and formed an opinion out of ignorance. In no way was she suggesting that those who commit a crime on children not be held responsible for it. She wants those who suffer from pedophilia to get treatment BEFORE they hurt someone – and how is this a bad thing??

          • Laura

            In itself it is not a bad thing but what it does is create sympathy and once people sympathize with pedophiles they will begin to make excuses for the pedophiles actions then they will start to fight for “their” rights. It is a process. Then there are groups like NAMBLA that are already trying to pass pedophilia off as normal, a normal sexual orientation. So when you ask the question “how is that a bad thing?” Try looking around. It is best and easier to just shoot pedophiles.

          • https://sillyolme.wordpress.com/ Kay Brown

            OMG! Seriously? The “final solution” for people who have NOT committed a crime?

            We can all agree that NAMBLA is not OK… but neither is killing innocent people just because they MIGHT offend. THAT is the “slippery slope” toward true immorality.

          • Lakewolf Whitecrow

            Predictive programming as to the likelihood that someone will commit a crime is slowly being phased in. If more people stopped focusing on homosexulity and started to focus on the loss of freedom in America, we’d all be better off for it.

          • Kristina

            So, if a person comes home from war with PTSD, a mental illness, and is not treated for this condition properly, and ends up killing someone due to their “weakness” as you call it, do you think they should be held completely responsible? Many people who are pedophiles, are, because they themselves were abused as children, and suffer from PTSD, as I did as a result of being molested! If I had not received help for my “weakness”, I very well could have acted on certain impulses I had, not because I would have thought it was right, but because I was messed up in my mind, and needed help! I’m not saying I wouldn’t have been responsible, but my mental illness would have had every thing to do with it, and if you treat the mental illness, you can avoid the repercussions. She is simply advocating treating it as a mental illness, and helping people from acting out on certain impulses that are there as a result of the mental illness. I posted my story above if you want to hear a very personal experience on the matter.

          • Libtardharvestor

            That has been the pattern for all unsavory predilection’s. It begins with a quest for research on an alleged mental disorder. What follows is an often rancorous exchange over the moral and physical issues involved. Eventually the lawyers use the information that flows from the exchange for the very purpose you mention, It is then, for all intents and purposes, “settled science”. Irresponsibility is the watchword of the millennials. It is almost impossible to stop. I disagree with the professor. I disagreed with the APA when they reversed their view on homosexuality. There has been very little serious work done on either “aberration” before the changes or since, and none of it peer reviewed. Of the work done, the few studies that met the desired goal were touted publically. The ones whose findings did not meet those lofty standards were ignored and lost in the files of their sponsoring organizations. I see no reason this will be any different. Practically anyone who has been around for 50 years or more has seen this set of developments transpire.

          • Lakewolf Whitecrow

            Pedophilia is not an action, it’s a predilection. Child molesters are the ones molesting children…and they are NOT the same. A child molester does NOT have to have pedophilia for them to enjoy molesting children, Many are sadists, while some are opportunists. Being attracted to women doesn’t make a man a rapist (even though American society seems to think so).

          • Michael Mooney

            sorry NO. the “predilection” of pedophilia and molesting children are inseparable. pedophiles molest children, do all molest? no, but I’m guessing the percentage is tiny. if you are not a pedophile you are not going to want to molest a child. suggesting that pedophiles don’t molest children child molesters do is disingenuous at best a lie at worst. that’s like saying alcoholics don’t kill people on the road drunk drivers do. I will say that it is possible for a pedo to not yield to temptation that’s like 1% of 1%. but we will never know that their not talking.

          • Guest

            Anarchy means that everyone is free to do whatever they want. This author has not argued for that. Sex offenders must be held responsible for their behavior. She’s arguing that no one decides on a Tuesday that they’ll be sexually attracted to children. If there’s anything to criticize here it s that she’s making an obvious point.

          • LansingL@aol.com

            Wisely that is not the way a civil society does not wait until someone does something wrong before you try and anything about it. Her way makes excuses for peoples behavor and says they are made a certain way. In reality it is about choices in life. Make the wrong ones and you should be made to pay not have someone say it isn’t your fault. It is like saying we don’t need to prevent Forest or House fires by not having laws and a Fire Dept. to make sure that it doesn’t happen.

          • Guest

            Ok. Let’s round up all the people who might commit crimes in the future and do something about it.

          • LansingL@aol.com

            Yeah we can start with you. See I know what Pedophiles do to a person. I have personal experience. I was molested by an older cousin for years. It messes with you more than you can ever know. It took me years to get free of the crap it does to a person. But someone like you cares more for the perpetrator than the victim. I for one have no sympathy for these predators. They are scum with no souls.

          • Guest

            You’re reading something in my posts that’s just not there. I think if a person is convicted of sexually offending against a minor, he ought to go to prison. I never said–and this writer never said–that the fact that a pedophile has a disorder ought to excuse the behavior. Prisons are filled up with people with disorders that did awful things and who belong in prison. A pedophile has a disorder. But, he ought to be in prison if he’s guilty of molestation.

          • LansingL@aol.com

            Regardless when you say they are born the way they are you give them license to commit the heinous acts they do to people. At what point does it happen they use that as an excuse in court and get off. I say not too long if the born that way excuse is accepted by society.

          • Guest

            I never said they were born that way. Just re-read this woman’s article–she never said it either. She did cite some evidence of neurological differences, but there’s not enough science to conclude people are born with it. (That’s almost impossible to prove anyway.) I do think it’s true that pedophiles can’t just “decide” to stop being attracted to children. They can–and must–decide not to act on those feelings.

          • kealiaTID

            It in no way whatsoever gives them an excuse to commit those acts. If your older cousin could of spoken out about his pedophilia and seeked counseling the chances that he would of committed those acts goes down 10 fold.
            You can read about the effectiveness of counseling here: http://counsellingbooks.com/bibliography/theory-and-research/general-and-comparative.html#BerginGarfield_1994

          • LansingL@aol.com

            Well maybe your willing to take the chance counseling will deter them I am not. Most sexual predators are never change and therapy is going to little to change that.

          • Kristina

            I beg to differ, from personal experience! Again, please read my story above. I am a wonderful loving mother, with a beautiful healthy and happy son, and no one would EVER say I am a pedophile! But had certain things gone differently in my life, I certainly could be! Therapy, and compassion and understanding from others for what I was going through and feeling as a result of being molested for many years (a mental illness due to PTSD), saved me, and indeed could help many people, I am sure. Not everyone, but certainly some! Again, this is not so black and white, as you portray it.

          • Spiritglogal

            This is what I’m saying…most pedophiles (that I’ve heard of, and granted that’s not ALL) HAVE at some point been themselves molested. That doesn’t make you a pedophile, but you are right that had you NOT gotten therapy, it’s likely that you might have in some way become some kind of abuser. I’m thankful that you were able to get help to stop that cycle!

          • Laura

            I am sorry for what happened to you but thousands of people that have been molested do not become child molesters. The survivors of sexual abuse do definitely need therapy and the abuser needs shot. Our whole family went to therapy. There is no cure for these people. Therapy will not help them.

          • B A Blumenthal

            ‘sought’ counseling… not ‘seeked’ – some need lessons on diction and grammar here

          • Texas ParentsCare

            Yeah, because we all know those molesters are looking up how to get help on the computer and are calling and telling everyone they have urges to molest children and they need help. Said no ever. I spoken with the Sex Crimes unit in Harris County, Texas. He said that a pedophile can NEVER be rehabilitated. NEVER. Get that? So they need to be locked up for their crimes and not allowed to be around ANY children. How many molesters (or for sake of your argument “would-be” molester do you know of that are asking for help or have gotten help for their “problem”???

          • Kristina

            I too was molested (from infancy to 12 years old), but see exactly what this woman is saying. I know exactly what pedophiles do to children, and I know the kinds of feelings and thoughts that can arise in a victim as a result. That is how the cycle of abuse continues! You were fortunate that you did not end up with the kinds of feelings I had as a child and teen and young adult as a result of what happened to me. But some, like me were not so lucky! Fortunately, I was able to control my impulses, and due to the compassion and understanding of a very close friend, I felt able to find help for my problem, and through years of therapy and healing, I overcame what happened to me as a child, but many are not so lucky. The stigma attached to this mental illness prevents many from ever seeking help, and therefore they end up acting out on their impulses. I posted my story above, so if you are willing to look at this from a different perspective, please read it. This is not a black and white issue. It is likely your molesters went through exactly what you went through as a child. The question is, how do we break the cycle? The writer of this article is simply showing one way we may be able do that. Wouldn’t that be a good thing?

          • LansingL@aol.com

            Kristina thank you for sharing your experience. It is not easy to share as a victim. I think what gets me upset is in many cases the criminal gets more attention and help than the victims. Where is the help for us? At least the criminal gets things paid for by the state. People like you and me are left to try and figure how to get well and in some cases survive. I am glad you recovered. I guess things happen for a reason. Hopefully we can help someone else who goes through this. Have a great week.

          • Kristina

            I think you may be missing the point of the article here LansingL. She is not saying the criminal aspect of pedophilia should not be punished, she is saying there are ways that some people with impulses (that they are not in control of, as I have experienced due to my abuse) can be helped before they act on those impulses. Yes, there needs to be more help for the victims, but what about the victims who end up victimizing others because they were not helped, and instead met with complete ignorance and judgement about the feelings they have inside? The author is not trying to protect the criminals, or say that they shouldn’t be punished, she is saying that if people were more open to seeing that many have these feelings, and want nothing more than help to overcome the feelings, that perhaps some may be saved from making terrible decisions, and acting on their impulses.

          • Kristina

            My full story did not post last night, so I reposted it just now, and it is at the top of the comments if you would like to hear the full version of my experience with this. (o:

          • Kristina

            My full story did not post last night, so I reposted it just now, and it is at the top of the comments if you would like to hear the full version of my experience with this. (o:

          • Meem Kaplan

            Lansing L – 9 out of 10 women I have had a conversation with concerning sexual abuse, have been victims of it. It is so much more common than most people who haven’t been victimized can believe. Extremely common.

          • Laura

            And probably not one of those ladies turned into a pedophile

          • Laura

            It has affected my family as well. You are welcome on my hunting team.

          • Laura Poye

            No lets just round up idiots that want to have sex with children. All of you who are willing to give child molesters a chance. Look into the children eyes, who’s lives that the predators have or will in the future destroy and tell them they can’t help it and they should forgive them and pay for them to get into treatment. Only a pedophile would champion these monsters

          • ZMAN_DUDE

            It is now perfectly OK to have sex with YOUR Children??? I hope you don’t have kids, Pervert.

          • BC

            That’s total bollocks.

          • Fred Hodge

            NO. Wisely?

          • Grendel007

            As of now yes. But at some point the argument will become “how can we punish them when it’s not their fault?” And then it won’t be a crime.
            It happens EVERY time. And if you don’t see that you are a fool

          • Guest

            Give an example. And, before you go to the insanity defense, it is rarely used and even more rarely successful. There’s not a single mental illness which, in and of itself, will categorically excuse you from a crime. There is no way, ever, that recognition that a person does not choose to BE a pedophile will lead to getting away with the crime of choosing to molest a minor. But, seriously, given an example of this thing that happens EVERY time.

          • marah natha

            Homosexuality was considered a mental illness. Now if you don’t want to go to their wedding and APPROVE, no longer just accept everything they do, you get death threats & maybe even lose your business. I bet none of you homosexual patronizers on here are even gay, you just think you speak the entire liberal list of talking points. Well there are homosexuals that want to try conversion therapy and they are discriminated against. When Rufus Wainwright lll said he didn’t think marriage was important, he got all kinds of hate mail. Non political homosexuals are bullied by the radicals, homosexual and straight, because there’s an agenda behind the movement.

          • Shirley Macilwraith

            That agenda is Satan’s agenda.. Because the battle is in the spiritual realm…It is not against flesh and blood, that my friends is why we cannot understand this world… Or the evil in it!!!

          • Lakewolf Whitecrow

            ” Non political homosexuals are bullied by the radicals, homosexual and straight, because there’s an agenda behind the movement.” Ohhh….you betcha…I’ve watched it happen on public streets….and the agenda stinks to high heaven.

          • Ed

            Are you pedophobic? What right do you have to say who anyone can love?

          • Laura

            I am not a pedophobic, lol. I think we should have a hunting season for them.

          • Michael Mooney

            you can’t love a child it is rightfully illegal and always should be. besides pedophilia has nothing to do with “love”, that’s the lie they say.

          • kealiaTID

            Thats some slippery slope logic right there. You’ve taken the simple concept of sexual identity way out of context and are arguing using examples that are in no way related to the initial subject.
            You need to reread my comment, a persons character is a malleable thing that can change over time. A persons sexual state is not a malleable thing and is not a reflection on the persons morals or ethics.
            As the article stated, most people who actually sexually abuse children are psychotic, not pedophiles.

          • LansingL@aol.com

            Well maybe someone in your family needs to be molested like I was and have it real havoc on tnem like it did to me and you will have a different opinion . Library’s always think they have the moral high ground when in fact in many cases have bad or no morals. ” if you believe in nothing you will fall for anything”. No one is at fault for anything in the world people like you live in.

          • LansingL@aol.com

            So if a persons sexuality is not a reflection on their morals what about adultery
            , polygamy , etc. I am sure anything goes in your world.

          • Texas ParentsCare

            A persons sexual state is not a malleable thing and is not a reflection on the persons morals or ethics????? Lies. Pure lies. What exactly is a person’s sexual state???? People’s sexual orientation CAN change especially if they have been sexually abused (and thus become confused about their sexuality)! If abused by the same sex then they may experiment sexually with the same sex and even think they are bi or gay. Many come to realize they are not bi or gay but have been lured or even bullied into an alternative lifestyle. Victims may be traumatized by flash backs, triggers, and/or reminders of the incident(s) and may call their sexuality into question but with therapy, faith, prayers, love and support they can choose heterosexuality. If you are a person of faith then God’s Word directs your morals and ethics otherwise moral relativism rules and anything goes.

          • Kristina

            So, if a person comes home from war with PTSD, a mental illness, and is not treated for this condition properly, and ends up killing someone due to their “weakness” as you call it, do you think they should be held completely responsible? Many people who are pedophiles, are, because they themselves were abused as children, and suffer from PTSD, as I did as a result of being molested! If I had not received help for my “weakness”, I very well could have acted on certain impulses I had, not because I would have thought it was right, but because I was messed up in my mind, and needed help! I’m not saying I wouldn’t have been responsible, but my mental illness would have had every thing to do with it, and if you treat the mental illness, you can avoid the repercussions. She is simply advocating treating it as a mental illness, and helping people from acting out on certain impulses that are there as a result of the mental illness. I posted my story above if you want to hear a very personal experience on the matter.

          • LansingL@aol.com

            Kristina what article? As far as personal experience I said I had personal experience with being molested by an older cousin. I never once had the inclination to do this to someone else. If anything I am very protective of innocent children and women. My issues were with lack of self worth and inferiority. I have never had an idea to harm a child in way or form. I have forgiven my cousin but I don’t want this to happen to some other person.
            Please spare me the lectures on the effects and why people do this. They do it because they choose to and choose to ignore their conscious.

          • Kristina

            Sorry LansingL, that comment about PTSD above was aimed at AZJEM, a few comments up here, and not you. Sorry for the confusion! (o:

          • Susan Whitman

            Someone stated to castrate them. All you’ve done is create a person who can’t perform with their penis, but will use other things to try and satisfy their perverse urges. The images of past experiences drive their imaginations and their desires. For those who haven’t acted out “yet,” just the thought of doing something that arouses them is enough to drive them to act out and when they suppress those urges, the urges become stronger and stronger. As far as I am concerned, execute them. We put people on death row every day for killing someone. Isn’t the murder of a child’s spirit just as important? They can’t be cured and I agree with something else someone said, if this were to happen to a child of Miss Law Professor, I wonder which bandwagon she would jump on then?

          • LansingL@aol.com

            Susan, I agree with strong punishment for these people. I don’t think anyone can know what being sexually molested does to your soul and your life unless you have been through it. It takes years to recover and in many cases you are never ok. As far as I am concerned these people are not normal or even human. I don’t buy the idea these people can’t help or don’t know what they are doing. They enjoy what they do and don’t care what their actions do the their victim or in most cases victims. These people don’t just strike once. For every victim they know about it is estimated there are several more that are not reported. They lost their humanity when thed committed their evil acts. No sympathy from me for the treatment these Beasts receive.

          • Terri Lynn Wiggins

            Thank you. We all have issues and problems. Some people have un-natural sexual urges toward children. But they can still choose to NOT hurt others. Why does our society currently revolve so much around sex? Seriously? Is there nothing more significant in people’s lives? There is a whole big world out there and it seems to me that society is focused far too much on what…an orgasm? There are wars, cancer, financial ruin, famine going on in the world. There are fascinating new discoveries in space & below the ocean surface every day. Work, education, families, holidays, seasons….is there nothing more important to people these days then sex? I feel like our world is being run by teenage boys whos only concern is where they can & can’t put their little wewes.

          • Lakewolf Whitecrow

            It is…teenage boys (or younger) in men’s bodies.

          • Meem Kaplan

            LansingL – VERY well said!!!

          • Canderous

            Anarchy doesn’t imply a lack of morals. Quite literally anarchy means no masters. Are you saying if society’s thin walls crumbled tomorrow and there were no laws, you would go around killing and hurting people? Or would you just look after you, after your family, etc?

            That is anarchy. Giving a man or woman the right to choose. Your average human being chooses Light, Love and Laughter.

          • Blaise

            Being gay isn’t a disease any more than being straight is a disease. Do not compare them to pedophiles. Pedophilia is a disease like rabies. They should be put down for the good of society.

          • Spiritglogal

            I believe that being a pedophile is more about growing up and being molested by a pedophile or otherwise abused. But even if it ISN’T a choice, as you say, would YOU want to live, with your family, including children, next door to a pedophile and RISK your children’s safety? And since there is so little help or workable treatments for them, and we don’t know who is one, the question is how do the rest of us live safely with our children if pedophilia (and honestly, the only ones we KNOW about are the offenders, right?) is de-criminalized? And THEN what? HISTORY has shown that one thing leads to another. Not overnight, but inevitable – look at MABLA (?) – the “Ma-boy love” group. They would love this to be de-criminalized! But what about the CHILDREN? Must they continually be the ones sacrificed on the altar of lust and unconstrained sexual gratification?

          • LansingL@aol.com

            Kealia what a Moronic Statement to make about Pedophiles are born the way they are. I guess then when the molest someone then we can’t punish them and they can’t be changed. So why counsil someone if it is their nature to do what they do. Maybe if someone you loves is molested will sing a different tune. Maybe you can understand the desruction they bring on their victims. With you mentality who would choose to be a lot of things ( Serial Killer, Robber, Drug or Alchohol abuser). People make bad decisions all the time. A truely sick and ignorant point of view you have in light of the way a pedophiles victims lives are ruined.

          • bree

            I must say, i have read all of your comments and you know what the hell you’re talking about, at the end of the day all it comes down to is making a choice, and hell yes rapists and pedophiles should be punished by the law for what they do! and just because someone hasn’t committed the act yet does NOT mean they won’t somewhere down the line (and if they manage to not do that good for them), watching to catch a predator is a very good example of how disgusting those people really are and how much they will lie to cover their own asses, thank you sir though, i like that there are still smart people like you out there

          • LansingL@aol.com

            Bree I know about the aftermath of what these people do to their victims from personal experience. I am gals their are people like you who recognize like I do how destructive these people are. They say for every person that these monsters get caught abusing there is usually 15 to 20 unreported. Bree have a wonderful Memorial Day Holiday.

          • B A Blumenthal

            We are’t born with these ‘disorders’ – we are born with a sinful nature at odds against God. In Jesus day these disorders were called demonic possession. No one is possessed anymore – they just have a ‘disorder’ – te word itself means a lack of order…

          • Txtraveler

            ….and over the cliff we go!

          • Guinevere

            Or …they are not born with it and do not choose it… why can’t it be both?

          • Michael Mooney

            NO one has ever been born gay let alone a pedophile. if you really think about it that is saying that an infant is born with a sexuality, doesn’t happen. sexuality begins with puberty.

          • http://batman-news.com PPABootsquadVinnie

            OK, so it’s now the time for a baker to say ‘I don’t like women’ and then it’s ‘Gays’ [how would they know?], then Blacks, then Asians, then Blind people with their damn dogs.
            Of course, refusing service to cops or Muslims should be protected. Or Germans, because they could be Nazis.
            ‘APA infiltrated by gays’ is so laughable, it’s like listening to ‘All In The Family’. Everyone knows it was The Masons.

          • Spiritglogal

            That’s just silly libspeak. No one is refusing general service to anyone because they’re gay, black, Asian or German. The point is not refusing service (in the cases of people refusing to provide a cake or flowers or whatever) to a person but to be FORCED to give assent to a CEREMONY that to them goes against their strongly held beliefs. No one has the right to make anyone do that . There will always be plenty of other bakeries or florists that will be more than happy to do the ceremony. Try going into a Muslim bakery and DEMANDING that they make such a cake for a gay wedding. I haven’t heard of anyone trying that. I wonder why. Surely they’d do so gladly (NOT). This is game-playing and BAITING. And NOT the point, which you would know if you didn’t think with your agenda!

          • Sam

            You’re spot on… and here is a guy asking for a “gay” wedding cake in a muslim bakery… https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgWIhYAtan4 I bet no one was sued!!

          • Lakewolf Whitecrow

            Baking a cake is NOT the same as being FORCED to perform or participate in a gay marriage.

          • marah natha

            They were never denied service. The owners did not want to attend the wedding or put gay slogans on the cakes, just like atheists would not put Bible verses on a cake for Jerry Falwell.

          • LansingL@aol.com

            Hey PPA being Black or a Woman , Asian is not a choice. Being Gay , Trangendered, Bi Sexual is a choice. Please don’t tell it is anythng but a choice at the end of the day. See Morons like you don’t want people to be accountable for their actions and always blame nature or genetics instead of the truth. It seems funny that the Liberals always like to talk about diversity and inlcusion unless it is someone or something they don’t agree with and then they call it them names, ban it, get rid of it. Your argument is ridiculous and does not stand up to scrutiny. But I expect nothing less from someone like you.

          • https://sillyolme.wordpress.com/ Kay Brown

            We have VERY good solid science that says that being gay (at least in men, who have been studied at greater length) is NOT a choice. We have two loci in the genome that have been identified as increasing the likelihood of being gay. We have the Fraternal Birth Order Effect, in which for every male child a woman gives birth to, the chances that the next male child will be gay increases by 30%:

            Learn Something: http://psi.sagepub.com/content/17/2/45.full

          • LansingL@aol.com

            Kay the order of the day is to have some study that says people behavior is not a persons fault ( your fat, your gay, you drink , you use drugs, you have anger issues, etc ) . I can find studies that say it’s all B S. Now we want to say being a scumbag pedofile is not their fault. Studies can be made to say anything depending on who runs them and whether they are unbiased. Look at who ran the study , what their stated goal was. For anyone who has not been personally affected like I was in being Molested it is not a choice is total bullshit. Maybe if you or this professor have someone they love affected by these monsters you will have a different opinion. Otherwise you are spreading lies that cause more harm than can be imagined, In my opinion your almost as evil as the people who commit these crimes.

          • Sam

            If genes can cause “gayness”, why do so many identical twins studies show that, at most, only 50% of identical twins share that behavior? (some studies show the concordance rate to be a mere 7.7% between monozygotic twin brothers) The rate of concordance should be much closer to 100% if what you say is true.

          • Ed

            I understand you are quite likely nothing more then a radical left wing liberal democrat troll, or I hope you are, and not just profoundly clueless.

          • waltinseattle

            so I hursd the teawings have openly abrogated the social contract of keeping certain matters out of the public sphere. as in when doing business, I dontwsnna wear clothes perhaps. if you font likd it. keep off the streets snd your children also. you cant push you prudish agenda on me!

          • Dan Chak

            Really? You are comparing the sexuality of consenting adults to pedophiles? What is wrong with you?

          • Rick Thunderwood

            Most of the gay people I know were molested as children.

          • marah natha

            Many have been. Some have bad parents who mess them up. Madonna was molested when she was 8 and Rod McKuen was too, as a child. She is an exhibitionist like Pamela Anderson, he was gay.

          • https://sillyolme.wordpress.com/ Kay Brown

            That may be true for you, but that can not be generalized, as that has been studied and debunked.

            Learn Something: http://psi.sagepub.com/content/17/2/45.full

          • Spiritglogal

            I agree. It is a slippery slope. First the APA reclassifies it (whatever) as a DISORDER. Then it becomes a PROTECTED class, then it’s LEGALIZED (or the other way around). Then you don’t DARE QUESTION it and there is the PEDOPHILE PRIDE PARADE! But what about the children that are at risk?!

          • Lakewolf Whitecrow

            Schizophrenia is a disorder. How many schizophrenia pride parades to YOU see?
            Again, for the reasons cited above, except for a handful of cases, pedophiles are not likely to be marching in pride parades any time soon.

          • Guinevere

            They already do.for as long as there has been pride parades..I honestly thought that was common, well, somewhat common knowledge..you can see NAMBLA at just about every one of ’em, some 50 something holding hands with a half naked 11 or 13 year old. I’m not joking, I’ve seen it with my own two eyes, although I wish I could burn it from my memory. They used to have signs until the LGBT threatened to sideline ’em, cuz they were hurting the cause.

          • Lakewolf Whitecrow

            Subject: Re: Comment on Q& A: Rutgers Law Prof Who Says Pedophilia Is Not a Crime

          • Lakewolf Whitecrow

            They still allow that?? When I was on the Task Force, the Gay Youth Committee was headed by a pedophile (I won’t mention any names, though I could…)

          • usmade1

            The ‘it’ is pedophilia and gay marriage being licensed, what about the majority of straight people? We’ve got rights! Don’t we?

          • Sam Medina

            Before long, pedophiles wil be suing for the right to be cub scoutmasters.

          • marah natha

            This is what Ben Carson said and got slammed by the pity police for it.

          • KyraNelson

            They’re already there. Just in the closet for now.

          • Lakewolf Whitecrow

            Not likely. See my post above.

          • Monica Guerra

            Homosexual men have already executed the same suit except they’re not all pediphiles.

          • Lakewolf Whitecrow

            You are conflating your disgust with gays with the fact that the State licenses bakers. Now, bakers have the option of advertising as “Christian bakers”, but this could seriously hurt their business. Common law was based on Christian precepts, but (except in a few special cases) common law no longer applies.
            Unfortunately,, you cannot discriminate in business. In know…I owned a business for seven years. Did I have some customers whose lifestyles I found unsavory? Yes…but I served then just the same.

          • Michael Mooney

            yes you can you can refuse business for any reason or no reason. the government had no basis to change that, it was a constitutional violation. all the hate speech laws are unconstitutional. if I say something and 75 percent of people agree with me there is little chance my free speech will be violated. but if 30-35 percent agree then that 70 or 65% may try.

          • Lakewolf Whitecrow

            Hate speech laws are unconstitutional (except when it’s a direct threat, or others act upon your words).
            https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2015/05/07/no-theres-no-hate-speech-exception-to-the-first-amendment/

            Hate CRIMES laws, on the other hand, ARE Constitutional..and we live in a Republic, NOT a Democracy, as some lawmakers and others would have you believe. There’s a reason the Founders made it a Republic…democracy = mob rule.
            http://www.williampmeyers.org/republic.html

          • Veritas

            Being a pedophile isn’t a crime, and doesn’t destroy their lives. Acting on those desires does.

            So what’s the point of what she’s saying? That treatment should be available to those who haven’t offended? It is. That feeling sexual attraction to children but not acting on it shouldn’t be a crime? It isn’t. That treatment of sexual offenders actually reduces recidivism? It doesn’t. That pedophiles can be cured of their desires? They can’t.

            So she’s just a blow hard pontificating about an issue while not really addressing the issue in any constructive way in order to appear important? That’s pretty obvious.

          • MetalDog

            “So what’s the point of what she’s saying? That treatment should be available to those who haven’t offended? It is. ”

            I read an article about 6 months ago — maybe in the NY Times? — about attempts to treat pedophiles before they act on it, and apparently there isn’t a lot of help available. They interviewed a guy who told his therapist what he was feeling, and the therapist refused to work with him anymore. Eventually he found someone who would help, but it isn’t as easy as finding a therapist to treat, say, depression.

          • waltinseattle

            try findingone for bipolar or schizophrrnia if youre not clean orderly presentable…

          • Anna

            Schizophrenic people can’t be cured and they still receive treatment.

          • LansingL@aol.com

            If you don’t act on something then you cannot be labeled. So your not a Pedophile if you don’t act on your urges. No more than someone who might have a weakness for alchohol if they don’t take a drink then they are not an alchoholic. Someone can love football if they never put football pads and never plays the game they are not a football player. The problem with modern society is we want to blame everything on genetics and being born a certain way instead of people being responsible for the actions and choices they make in life. Only a coward blames others for their own bad choices.

          • waltinseattle

            dry drunks dont exist by your definition. remissionis a meanimgless term in your outlook. and I only have t.b. whenim hacking up blood.

          • Lakewolf Whitecrow

            Dry Drunks DON”T exist ( except within the hallowed halls of AA). It’s an oxymoron.

          • Guinevere

            Dry drunks exist. Trust me. And most of society just wishes they would just break down and drink cuz everyone would be better off.

          • Guinevere

            You can be an alcoholic w/o ever taking a drink.

          • usmade1

            You sure are smart.

          • David Frazier

            @Veritas: I am a certified biblical counselor with a Masters and a Doctorate with over 4000 hours of counseling all forms of sexual deviancy. I can testify to the inaccuracy of your recent close-minded statement, that pedophiles “can’t be cured.” They absolutely can. I have witnessed it first hand–total heart transformations and complete mind-renewal–in hundreds of counselees over the years. Some folks should think and research before they speak (or parrot).

          • Mo86

            “Helping” someone implies there is a problem. But if you’re “born that way”, then you can’t help it. If you can’t help it, it must be “natural”. And if it’s natural, it must be a good thing.

            Exactly the what happened with the homosexuality issue! This used to be seen as disorder to be fixed or helped. Then homosexuals claimed to be born that way and everyone believed it, with ZERO evidence. Then it was considered natural, and then good.

            And now anyone who disagrees with homosexuality in ANY way is branded a bigot and may very well lose their job and/or business.

          • Richard R

            I’m sorry, what evidence is there that homosexuality is wrong? What studies can you provide that say that? Also, only because something is natural doesn’t always mean it’s good. In this case what is natural isn’t good because it can potentially hurt another human. Btw, if you mention the bible is your only source for saying homosexuality is wrong please don’t reply.

          • Mo86

            I didn’t say anything about homosexuality being wrong. It was the, what’s it called? The DSM? The manual mental health professionals use to categorize mental disorders.

            Show me where I’ve said anything about the bible. What are you, some kind of bigot?

          • Richard R

            Frankly, I’m not sure what you’re saying outside of the idea that the DSM was updated to mean that being gay wasn’t a mental disorder. Your statement about ZERO evidence that people are born gay is completely wrong.

          • Justin Farrell

            Okayyyy so show me some medical evidence saying that people are born gay?

          • Sam Medina

            No, she’s more likely a member of the various networks which aid and abet pedophiles.

          • marah natha

            The problem is, like homosexuals, pedophiles are being fed the lie that they were born that way, or “God made them that way.” You can educate people all you want, but like Woody Allen said, “The ‘heart’ wants what it wants.”

          • kenpachi55

            that’s what she claims but really just wants her sponsors and their friends to have a “valid” excuse in court

          • hope rosary…

            I just posted about this also… you made my point exactly… blessed be…

          • Bob Rose

            unless it is your son or daughter used as the “once”

          • http://batman-news.com PPABootsquadVinnie

            We’ll start by doing chopping off peoples’ hands for stealing first, just to see if it works.

          • wisely

            Yeah, well. There are places, I guess, where that kind of approach to criminal justice is done. Rent may be cheap there. Look into it.

          • Mary Louise Dettlo

            I agree, casturation sounds a little barbarrick, Yet if that is what it will take!
            Then pay the price.

          • Johan

            Evidently, spelling and grammar “sounds a little barbarrick” to you as well.

          • DoubleU

            Sounds cruel and unusual. Just cut their heads off.

          • AuntSue

            And rape

          • Sons of Liberty

            Aw, you screwed it up by the “humanely” ideal. Just get a tree pruner and do the job!

          • marah natha

            Once they got caught. Criminals never think they will be caught and Sandusky at Penn State proves that, at least for men that make other people rich.

          • Chris.J.Symonds

            no actually of those who are caught even those who submit to chemical castration re-offend with a few years of being released from prison. Chemical castration doesn’t always permanently alter or remove the urge….. One thing it does not do is prevent the thinking patterns

          • Richard StJohn

            Probably not. They know that if they are put into the general population of a prison their life expectancy can be measured in hours. The manner of death will be horrific rather than anything humane.

          • Scarey

            That’s what most people say. It has had no effect on child abuse rates. Prohibition of an illness just leads to untreated instances of that illness.

          • Bonnie Blood

            Yep. I think child molestation would drop off.

          • Heidi Edwards

            You are absolutely right!!!

          • Pray Hard

            No, not necessarily. Castration doesn’t necessarily stop pedophiles. Personally, I’d just as soon castrate them just below the chin.

        • Terri Rydahl

          I have been saying this for years….. once something unacceptable becomes accepted it is easier to accept the next vile thing on the list!

          • Richard R

            your comments adds nothing to the discussion. Did you read the article or just the title?

          • Kristina

            Did YOU read the article?! So many people here seem to be completely missing the point of this article! The point of the article, is that many people with pedophilic thoughts and impulses NEVER become predators, because they choose not to, knowing the terrible effects it has on children. They still feel like monsters inside though, and have terrible personal repercussions as a result! These people are not given a chance to get help, because of the attitudes many have that if you have these feelings, you are automatically a predator. Where is the support and help for these people? I was molested from infancy to 12 years old, both in my birth family, and in the foster care system, and as a result I had terrible feelings and thoughts that I could not control. I had control over my actions, but not the thoughts and feelings. Where is the help and support for these people who want nothing more than to rid their minds of these horrific things? This is what the author of this article is trying to say. She is not even talking about people who have committed crimes, she is talking about people with certain feelings who want nothing more than to rid themselves of these feelings, so that they do not feel like monsters, and so that they do not find themselves one day acting on impulses that are very difficult to control. Maybe if we help people before they act on these feelings that they do not feel in control of, we may prevent some of them from ever doing harm to another child. There are many people who have scary and pedophilic impulses who never act on them, but have to live with the horrific feelings they have every day, without ever feeling they have the option of getting help. These are the people the author is referring to! These are the people she is saying we should offer help to, and indeed, if we did, we could prevent many crimes committed against children! It seems many here do not get her point at all!

          • ophelia

            Terri – no one is accepting anything. Read the words, don’t impose a twisted interpretation. Denying that people have impulses isn’t helping anything. So prior to now no one has been molested? Is that your theory? Attempting to try to understand the why & how & then put into action something effective to potential prevent it is not only intelligent it IS the ONLY approach that makes sense. So we should just continue to shun & prosecute & throw away the key, because thus far it has been 100% effective at preventing molestation? Guess I prefer to see a glimmer of hope at something PREVENTATIVE for a change versus punitive. Call me nuts,

        • Xerxes

          Nope, no “small step” – with homosexuality, it’s two people who are consenting individuals, generally of the same age group. With pedophilia, acting on it would ALWAYS be with someone not old enough to provide consent. That’s rape, at the absolute minimum.

          • IThinkForMyself

            until you consider organizations like NAMBLA

        • Cyndy Groves

          No, no, no…your logic is completely invalid. While I may not totally agree with Margo Kaplan, I certainly do not agree with your false anslogies. Comparing the denial of equal rights justly due to homosexuals with pedophilia is not only incorrect, it shows complete ignorance. Same-sex couples are not all about sex. They love their partners the same way heterosexual do…and the relationship and intimacy is between 2 consenting individuals. Pedophila, conversely, is about sexual attractions alone, and since a child cannot legally consent, acting on those attractions can never be legal. No child would want to be abused in that manner regardless…and when sexual abuse does occur, it leaves that child horribly traumatized. As for the man supposedly attracted to dolphins, that is beastiality, which is as lso illeagal. Similarly, animals cannot give legal consent, and it’s also considered animal cruelty. Therefore comparing pedophilia and beastiality to homosexuality wreaks of homophobia and outright stupidity.

        • Nebs

          Faulty logic freedom. No matter how enlightened we may become, Pedo requires non-consenting behavior (adult/Minor).

          While creating understanding did indeed lead to things (some said slip of slope) for racial tolerance, and interracial relationships, homosexuality, handicaps etc.

          Developing understanding of identities isnt a pandora’s box. It merely de-monsters things, humanizes them.

          Pedo in an honest light doesn’t permit a slope of abiding its existence (except those countries that let men marry kids nowadays anyway or when the age of consent in America was 10 in most states until 1907).

          And not freaking out over a guy liking a dolphin isnt a bad thing even if its gross to our mindset. B/c until a dolphin can perform informed consent in a human standard it still isnt permissible in law.

        • http://batman-news.com PPABootsquadVinnie

          Like choosing to be gay, choosing to drink excessively, choosing to take drugs that will kill you? These are all ‘choices’?
          Not hardly.

        • bruh…

          That’s not a good comparison. You learn to lie you don’t learn to like. That’s whats so tricky about getting people to understand.

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          You are right on target Mr. Freedom!

        • waltinseattle

          but f one sheep…or kill one person and they brand you for behavior. burn one house and youre unfairly branded an arsenist….. yes. I can see the unfairness of it.

        • Lakewolf Whitecrow

          The difference bethomosexuality and pedophila is that homosexuals do not seek out children. They tend to stay within their own age groups. Also (aside from NAMBLA, which I LOATHE), few pedophiles are going o come out and admit their pedophilia to anyone but a therapist. The pedophiliac KNOWS that acting on these desires WILL hurt the children they are attracted to.

        • Monica Guerra

          Marion Zimmerer Bradley’s kids predicted the same things you’re talking about. Kinda gives me the chills.

      • k

        I wholeheartedly agree with that sentiment.

      • MaxSaxon

        I used to have a very well researched book about how “understanding” criminal, anti-social and evil conduct weakens our resolve to confront it.

        Homosexuality is a case in point, as is Islamic violence — two words Obama cannot even use in the same sentence, unless he can separate them by the words “Jew” or “Christian.”

      • jstan442

        this is how homosexuality started–both are perversions tha the left wants to mainstream

      • ReallyTho

        Just remember that homosexuality not so long ago was considered a mental disorder and now socially acceptable in many countries.

        It won’t be long that pedophilia will go that way. Next thing you know, people will be marrying their pets and gay men will be advocating to have sexual relationships with under age boys…

        oh wait.. :/

      • firespirit3

        Bull its about being more acceptable of these unnatural predators and the sexual revolution crowd, its logical step after this gay marriage hype…NAMBLA is a part of the gay activist community march in the gay parades as nambla as all this being forced down our throats, now we have dr touchy feely spoutin nonsense. its criminal thats it!!!!. An Obama education appointee was gay and in charge of schools and written books on it, also wrote abook how it was ok to have sex with children. this is why u have limits and say no ore everything goes

      • SkivMarine

        Pedophiles are the least treatable of all offenders. We’ve known that from at least the time that I was a victims advocate for a Sexual Assault Center in Minnesota.
        So, this professor isn’t breaking any new ground in saying it’s a disorder. To say it’s not a crime is irresponsible at best, and idiotic at worst.
        She’s probably a pedophile herself.

    • Maligan

      Slippery slope is for people who can’t argue well.

    • Deathsmind

      You seem to have hit quite a few fallacies…You may want to understand that you lost your argument before it even began.

      • ArrogantDrunk

        Check my upvotes son

        • Deathsmind

          Not sure how you making tons of fake accounts make your use of fallacies go away.

        • Grilles

          Wow! Is that akin to having ‘Likes’? If so, then man, you’re a star!

    • John Nowak

      Secular Religion Gate

      “Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political
      prosperity, religion and morality are indispensable supports. In vain
      would that man claim the tribute of patriotism who should labor to
      subvert these great pillars of human happiness–these firmest props of
      the duties of men and citizens.” -George Washington in his Farewell
      Speech, 1796-

      State Secular Religion of Morphed-Infidelism-Philosophy (history) Spreading from 1800 Government Universities, Colleges and 100,000’s Government Institutions

      “Our Nation the Untied States of America was constituted on the
      principle that our government must not fund, give official recognition
      of expertise, power of enforcement to any human behavioral group. This
      separation allows a fair selection by the majority of people to elect a
      representative, to govern with his principles from his human behavioral
      group or groups for a term of years.” -1991 John Nowak-

      “A democracy is lost, when government selects and aligns itself with
      human behavior groups (philosophy, psychology), through government
      funding, given them official expertise status, involuntary enforcement
      in our courts, government agencies, armed forces, schools and
      universities (their grand buildings liken to temples of the state), by
      the amount of trillions of tax dollars, over the human behavior group of
      Christianity.” -2004 John Nowak-

      “Professors, teachers of Psychology, Psychiatry, Sociology and
      Philosophy (infidel philosophy) have become as the nations priest to
      indoctrinate, dictate, program directly and indirectly their students
      (disciples), influencing unconstitutionally votes, causing the sensitive
      gage, the ballot box, elections to display faulty readings, especially
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      world.” -2007 John Nowak-

      “Will America see? She has gone off the mainstream spirit of
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      Resulting in the primary source of subversion around the world of
      religion and particularly morality is from the State making laws
      respecting the establishments of philosophy and psychology.” -2007 John
      Nowak-

      “Our founding fathers when written the constitution in 1787, had
      little clue, government will someday be a respecter of philosophy
      (infidel philosophy) and psychology in the vast government university
      and education system. Being the first government university institution
      wasn’t established until 1801. All universities up until 1801 were of
      private citizenry. Yale, Princeton, many of religious grass roots.
      Wasn’t until around 1879, Psychology began in German universities,
      acclaimed by the so called intelligentsia as a so called science –2010
      John Nowak–

      All religions be they secular (What is a secular religion? U.S. Supreme Court)
      or traditional could claim they promote the nation’s general welfare,
      however this does not grant Presidents, Congresses and Judges the
      authority of the “General Welfare Clause” to breach the wall of
      separation in the “Establishment Clause”. Presidents, Congresses and
      Judges for decades have violated the U.S. Constitution, have made law
      and ruled, respecting an establishment of Religion Morphed-Infidelism.
      -2015 John Nowak-

      (1960’s onward) Infidelism Morphed into so called “Free Love” Philosophy (from the 1800s and became popularized 1960’s on government universities, uninhibited sex

      Secular Religion of Morphed-Infidelism Entrenched in Government Institutions

      Equivalent God (God effect, so called expert, professional of human
      behavior, false mere appearance of truth and correctness) = Cloak to
      deceive in a false, mere use and appearance of methodologies of science
      to deceive Congress and the American people (unconstitutional). Secular
      religion funded and supported by government. (unconstitutional)

      Equivalent Temples of Egypt, Greek God Temples, Vatican,
      mega-Churches= center of power scattered across America are approx. 1800
      U.S. State Universities and Colleges campuses.

      Equivalent Bishops, Centralized hierarchy = Gov’t Professors of
      Psychology, Psychiatrist, Sociology, Associations and big Pharma
      industry.

      Equivalent Priest, Evangelist = Gov’t Psychologist, Psychiatrist,
      Sociologist, and evolutionist, 6,000,000 public school teachers are
      referral agents for Big Pharma, tens of thousands of employees beholden
      to Big Pharma Industrial Complex, Who wants to be millionaire? ….make an ungodly amount of money? (Video) (unconstitutional tax dollars and government official support)

      Equivalent Holy Spirit, morality and doctrine = Psychology,
      Psychiatry, Sociology, and Evolution so called education as Gospel
      (unconstitutional)

      Equivalent Bible, moral laws = The DSM-5 is the Atheist’s Moral Code, the psychiatrist’s Bible.
      DSM where they have almost 400 so called mental disorders, basically
      new moral laws simply voted on at a convention, based on solely
      behaviors, so they can bill and rip off the government, you and me by
      the billions (unconstitutional),

      Equivalent Genesis = World view evolution, materialism and naturalism taught by government as Gospel (unconstitutional)

      Equivalent indoctrination, control, and discipling = all gov’t
      Universities/Colleges where many of the gov’t 6,000,000 teachers are
      indoctrinated, teachers become liken to referral agents in all gov’t
      100,000 elementary/secondary schools, where 49,000,000 9 out of 10 of
      all American children are coerce to attend a monopoly so called
      educational system being 600 billions tax dollars per year is funneled
      exclusively, all gov’t jails, all gov’t hospitals, all gov’t Courts, all
      gov’t protective services, and nursing homes that receive tax dollars.
      Where in all government institutions are as many as 15 million gov’t
      bureaucrats become as referral agents for Big Pharma’s
      drugs.(unconstitutional)

      Number of Children & Adolescents Taking Psychiatric Drugs in the U.S.

      All Psychiatric 0-5 Years 1,080,168
      Drugs
      Breakdown:
      0-1 Years 274,804
      2-3 Years 370,778
      4-5 Years 500,948

      6-12 Years 4,130,340
      13-17 Years 3,617,593

      Grand Total 0-17 Years 8,389,034 of 74,500,000 (USA) are on psychiatric drugs

      Why Are So Many Toddlers Taking Psychiatric Drugs? Prozac for babies?

      (2015)
      “An analysis of 2013 IMS Data, found that over 274,000 infants (0-1
      year olds) and some 370,000 toddlers (1-3 years age) in the U.S. were on
      antianxiety (e.g. Xanax) and antidepressant (e.g. Prozac) drugs. This
      report also found over 1,400 infants were on ADHD drugs.” -The Wall
      Street Journal”-

      Senate panel examines why California foster care system ‘addicted’ to psychiatric drugs

      Simple truth 1. Do You Have a Biochemical Imbalance? (video)
      Simple truth 2. How Do Psychiatric Drugs Really Work? (video)
      Simple truth 3. What is Medication Spellbinding? (video)
      Simple truth 4. How to Help Deeply Disturbed Persons (video)
      Simple truth 5. How to Help Suicidal Depressed Persons (video)
      Simple truth 6. Psychiatric Drugs Are More Dangerous Than You Ever Imagined (video)
      Simple truth 7. Stimulant Drugs Crush the Life out of Children (video)
      Simple truth 8. ADHD Kids—A Lifelong Road to Tragedy (video)
      Simple truth 9. Stop the Psych Drugging of Children—Now! (video)
      (2008 PBS) The Medicated Child

      (2012) There Is No Such Thing as Mental Illness -Stefan Molyneux- (video)

      Most
      psychiatric drugs can cause withdrawal reactions, sometimes including
      life-threatening emotional and physical withdrawal problems. In short,
      it is not only dangerous to start taking psychiatric drugs, it can also
      be dangerous to stop them.

      Equivalent religious cult, blind following, prominence, political
      power = indoctrination, program and brain wash the populous into
      obedience and absolute blind trust without any questions
      ask.(unconstitutional)

      Equivalent inquisition = massive force incarceration, massive court
      coercion and force so called counseling, drugging through the DSM where
      they have almost 400 human behavior moral laws made into so called
      mental disorders simply by being voted on at a convention, based solely
      on behaviors (human behavior group).

      Equivalent root of all kinds of evil love of money = after tax
      dollars in the billions if not trillions if added up both primary cost
      in grants for so called education, so called research, hundreds if not
      thousands of government federal and State programs of coercion and force
      so called counseling and drugging and secondary cost of brain damage
      harm rapidly increasing the disability rate, covered by tax dollars,

      Equivalent draining of the national and citizen’s pocket book:
      Massively adding to our nation’s health care cost and the nation’s
      deficit cost. Costing each and every American citizen in both monetary
      and causative effects of tremendous harm, death and financial
      indebtedness.

      – See more at: http://www.christjustified.com/Secular-Religion-Gate.html

    • Stacie Kolinsky

      This is a choice… just like having sex with our adult partner. When it is regarding two persons of age. It is consensual… doing so, is not a sin against nature… against God. We have to be held accountable for all if our actions. When you say it is not a crime, you are condoning their behavior… you ARE giving them power to hurt children. You are allowing them to think it is okay… that is pathetic. Shame on you… you have the education… may I ask what is your religious background or moral beliefs? With all of your negative and poorly judged article you have lumped yourself into the sadistic and garbage can of illicit sex which is running our country and our world into the pit of Hell.. I have a personal outrage towards your callous and premeditated garble that you have exposed in the media. My family has been torn apart by criminals that took innocence from children. I will pray for you… if anyone agrees with you woman, it is because they are slaves to their sin… you get positive fan mail… congrats you are put on a pedistl by human pond scum… proud of yourself? Purely unethical and gruesome deviate behavior deserves to be locked up and the key thrown into oblivion… end of story. I have more inner strength and conviction to be spokesperson for the innocent than you have for the men and women you claim cannot help themselves, again, I think you should have a psychological evaluation.. because you are plum loony… ijs! There is no fury like the fury of a mother whose heart broke again when reading your statements. I have PTSD and I just relived that terrible part of my life… Shame on you!

      • ArrogantDrunk

        Your post gave me PTSD

      • Grilles

        Stacie, aside from going ‘capitalized God’ religious in your comment, which will automatically alienate you from a growing amount of readers/commenters, your misinterpretation (When you say it is not a crime, you are condoning their behavior… you ARE giving them power to hurt children. ) immediately pushed the TL, DR button.

        Of course, you can point out where the behavior has ever been insinuated as condoned, but I’m not holding my breath.

  • ScottinVA

    And here it comes… just as expected.
    Next up to bat for their “rights” are the child molesters.

    • http://www.realdoll.com/ Marie Antoinette

      This will never, ever happen in the USA. Never!

      • alan_1969

        We thought that about the gay issue too.

      • Martha Garcia

        do not be so sure…..what happen with homosexuality? is not only openly accepted and celebrated, is now mandatory to teach 4 and 5 years old about it! ..

    • Nomolos Ydrah

      Did you read the article. She is against sex offenders. She is trying to treat people for their attractions before they act on them, which is usually the primary way we find out people are pedophiles. This is reactionary and is based on children having to be harmed in order to do something about it, THEN we want to lynch the person after the fact while doing nothing to prevent future occurrences. No one wants to give child molesters rights. You are never going to find out who is capable of these things before they commit crimes if you advertise public flogging for admitting pedophile attractions without having acted on them. I hope you aren’t involved in any kind of legislation, jeez.

  • Mercyneal

    Huh ? What is she talking about? Most people who offend are not pedophiles? Anyone who molests a child is a pedophile. This woman has NO idea what she is talking about and the Times is cuckoo for printing this nut case’s efforts to get publicity.

    • TK

      Actually you’re wrong Mercyneal. It’s obvious from your comments that you are not educated on this topic and lack the information to understand the etiology of offending so best not to judge a competent professional who is looking to help prevent offending.

      • Mercyneal

        Huh? I am actually VERY educated on this topic. Show me one pedophile who has gone to prison for “thinking ” about molesting a kid. She says that pedophiles in the closet are discriminated against because they have to be in the closet. This is nonsense. NO ONE goes into a job interview talking about their sexual urges. No one has gone to prison for thinking about molesting a child.

        If someone wants to get help for their urges about molesting children, there are thousands of therapists out there to help them. ( But therapy in general will not cure their urges. )

        What goes on in therapy is confidential. A therapist may report someone who has molested a child, but they won’t report on a person who just has urges to do so. The police would think the therapist was nuts.

        That said, that so called “Virtual Pedophiles” has only 250 registered members. There are thousands and thousands of pedophiles out there who are at this moment acting on their urges….

        Also, it is almost impossible to cure pedophilia. I’ve interviewed pedophiles – well into their 70s and they all say they can’t stop. Therapy didn’t help.

        Shame on you for saying I know nothing about this.

        • http://www.presstitutes.org/ ms_anthro

          The only “cure” for pedophiles is a long drop on a short rope. They are the class of criminals most likely to reoffend and the first to tell you that they can’t and won’t stop. So, it is up to us to stop them.

        • simgiran

          That’s a red herring. The criticism was pointed to your claim that anyone who molest a child is a pedophile. Which is in contradiction to claims of sexologists. Address this, not a claim that no one has made.

          I know about a case when someone was fired from a job because some people found out he was a pedophile because what he wrote on the internet. He didn’t commit any crime and he wasn’t working with children. I know about a case when someone was fired from a school for publicly coming out as a pedophile. I know about several cases when therapists violated confidentiality. I know about a case when someone said to a therapist he’s a pedophile, got reported and was kept from seeing his own children for two weeks. Don’t talk about things you know nothing about.

          • Mercyneal

            The child who is sexually assaulted doesn’t care whether the person who sexually assaulted him or her is a pedophile or not. All he or she knows is that his life has been permanently altered forever.

            I don’t care whether someone who molests a child is a pedophile or not. I care about the children who are sexually assaulted.

            Lots of NAMBLA supporters here, I see.

          • fvckoffallah

            So what that a kid does not care? You should care. If you want to prevent a crime you need to understand motivation of the criminal. And those two groups: pedophile molesters and non-pedophile molesters have different motivation.

          • Todd Peek

            How does that logic work when applied to other crimes, like shoplifting?

          • Todd Grauman

            Nice to see a modicum of rational, reasoned dialogue on here. That’s rare on line.

          • Miriam Israel

            What is a NAMBLA?

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          • barbara lee

            If you molest a child you are a pedophile.There is no “or not” necessary here. At all. That is as definite as the fact that the victim is scarred permanently. You are or you are not, period. Forget the reasons or the actions previously, abusing makes you a pedo.

          • Raven

            “If X, then Y” does not imply “If Y, then X”.

            Yes, if you molest a child then you display that you are sexually attracted to children. But it’s entirely possible that you could be sexually attracted to children and never once molest a single child.

            Just because X (molesting a child) may be wrong (whether only legally, or only socially, or both legally and socially, or for whatever reason), that doesn’t mean we should punish every single Y (person who is sexually attracted to children).

          • Skyline

            “Experts,” with the infallible omniscience they imagine they possess, will claim that peadophilia/ inter-generational sex, incest and beastiality/zoophilia to normal and healthy. Bestiality is having a renaissance in Europe. An animal-sex-tourism industry, which has been blossoming in Denmark.

          • Of fashioned girl

            AS THEY SHOULD HAVE BEEN TERMINATED!! THEY HAVE NO BUSINESS AROUND CHILDREN-AT ALL-FOR ANY REASON. FURTHERMORE, THEY’VE DECLARED THEMSELVES UNFIT TO REMAIN IN SOCIETY. BEING EVEN A POTENTIAL THREAT TO SOCIETY’S YOUTH IS UNACCEPTABLE. PAINT IT ABY COLOR YOU WANT; THEY DON’T BELONG WORKING NEAR MUCH LESS WITH CHILDREN OR REMAINING IN SOCIETY AMONGST THEM. PERIOD.

          • Nomolos Ydrah

            Agreed they don’t belong working near children. But until one of them actually harms a child, you have no idea. If you have children and you take them to a daycare or school, anyone of the staff members there with whom you may share positive interactions could have pedophile thoughts going on in their brain and you have NO idea because they haven’t acted on it yet. How are you going to regulate those peoples’ presence around children unless you advocate surveillance into people’s private everyday moments to see whether or not they have tendencies towards pedophilia. Maybe that’s how we can isolate and neutralize all of them? Do you think this will work?

            If people know that they can get professional treatment based on educated, scientific research into these attractions and desires – this will allow them to try to save themselves from becoming a criminal. Otherwise, people with these thoughts will continue to try to fit into a society that will lynch as soon as they out themselves, leading them to keep it private and be able to freely roam among us and possibly be employed around children…

          • Todd Peek

            Your logic is naïve at best.
            Look at the subtle distinctions that are being made by this woman.
            Restrict the age group for the attraction known as pedophilia to only pre-pubescent children. So, only children younger than 11.
            This essentially normalizes the attraction to minors who are older than 11.
            Do we really think that those people who find themselves sexually attracted to children younger than 11 will suddenly, not only, recognize that this requires treatment, but also be willing to get that treatment?
            Oh yea, that’s the motivation for essentially “normalizing” pedophilia in order to remove the negative stigma. Of course there are already other groups trying to do this by renaming pedophiles with the more PC / society friendly term “Minor Attracted Persons”.
            The same groups are also lobbying for pedophilia or “Minor attraction” be treated as a sexual orientation. Why do you think this is important?
            Because lawmakers like to make laws somewhat generic and it will make the laws passed intended to protect the homosexual community instantly cover pedophiles and Minor Attracted Persons.
            The problem is that you cannot look at one article or opinion like this in a vacuum. You must look all around at the related activity around the world.

          • Johan

            If they’re older than 11, it’s not actually “pedophilia”, it’s “hebephilia” (11-15) or “ephebophilia” (15-19). Pedophilia involves attraction to pre-pubescence.

          • Robert Leichsenring

            and I think that anyone that writes in all caps on the internet should never be anywhere near a child. you cannot judge a person before anything happened. if you do, well, that’s called discrimination. we all deserve an equal chance and help to rise above our physical imperfections, not premature condemnation or social stigmas that are going to push people affected by it even further into criminality.

        • fvckoffallah

          So what? Statistically more than half of child molesters are not diagnosed with pedophilia. Agree that i do not understand how a therapy can help though.

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    • barbara lee

      Mercyneal, the tactic is to make it so saying anything wrong or politically incorrect about deviancies leads to changes in social norms (acceptance). Just by bringing it into the conversations of day to day, we are normalizing such things ~ that is part of the overall agenda. Yes, agenda. These so called “competent professionals” are no more than agents of the Frankfurt agenda when you get to the bottom of it. Look at this woman’s name and ask yourself whose agenda she promotes. These folks are in position and placed there as “professionals” to tweak social change. Whether you want it or not…. they educate via the children. Her intentions might be good, to prevent offending, but I don’t buy that too much.

      • Scott

        Barbara lee – Spot on as the Left’s perversions move forward…

      • coptic777

        Last name regardless all I see is a white person trying to justify this. Your just trying to separate yourselves from her culture as if she is somehow not white. The numbers when you look at who makes up the majority of child molesters and rapist reflect her position as well. Nice try…

        • barbara lee

          I honestly don’t know what you are trying to say.

      • Shawmaf Khubba

        I am really astounded at your reaction to Mercyneal’s assertion: “Anyone who molests a child is a pedophile.” Do you agree with this erroneous statement, or are you intentionally ignoring it to make your demagogic point? Dr. Kaplan is going based off of the evidence that she has seen. There is no way to assume that a person who molests a child is a pedophile, for the simple reason that there is no reason to take for granted that child molestation is necessarily due to pedophilia, in the same way there is no reason to take for granted that rape is necessarily due to the rapist being sexually attracted to the victim. In fact, there is a considerable amount of evidence suggesting that rapists are motivated by hate, and not lust, towards their victim. The fact that you are responding to an empirical claim with all sorts of accusations of nefarious motives without even bothering to say whether or not you think the claim is true, and why, is really astounding to me.

    • Bradley

      What she is saying is that some of those that offend dont actually have the pedophilia disorder, where their actual attraction is to little kids. The people she says that end up doing that to kids are just sexual deviants who do it just to do it, not cause thats where their attractions lay.

    • Johan

      That’s like saying any man who rapes another man is automatically homosexual, and that’s not the case at all.

      Taking prison rape as an example. Most of the men who engage in this are not homosexual. It’s all about power, as is a lot of sex crime.

    • JD

      I think she’s saying that not all sex offenders are pedophiles. Most assault, rape, or expose themselves to adults. But most don’t harm children.

  • disqus_JjYnU5MRNk

    if she received positive feedback, I bet it’s from all the pedophiles! DYFS would disagree with her opinion.

  • Charliefoxtrot

    I’d trade this woman some of the treatment centers and therapy in exchange for allowing public flogging of pedophiles. Parents, teach your kids what’s appropriate and what’s not, and make sure they know that telling you won’t get them in trouble.

    • Johan

      Do you understand at all that there is a huge difference between “pedophiles” and “child molesters”?

  • Taylor Lynn Patrick

    I will never advocate for any kind of rights for these monsters. They should just take themselves out of society all together. Bullets are real cheap.

    • Tyler Ward

      Way to take your emotions out of it and think rationally. I bet you think being gay is a “lifestyle choice” too, don’t you? lol. This is exactly why nothing will ever be done about pedophiles in our society, because the overwhelming majority of people are like you, and so that keeps those suffering from pedophilia underground, off the radar, and they never get help and they end up acting on their urge.

      P.S. No, bullets aren’t that cheap these days.

      • Todd Peek

        Tyler, take your own advice and think rationally. This is the simply the first step at normalizing pedophilia.
        Can you provide credible / conclusive proof that homosexuality is genetic or not a lifestyle choice? If not, you’re simply stating an opinion.
        Now, remember that the proof needs to be both credible and conclusive. Let’s not fool ourselves with assumptions like the claim that the majority of gay people are left handed, so there must be a genetic connection.

        • http://batman-news.com PPABootsquadVinnie

          Yes, who Wouldn’t want to live a life of slurs and prejudice and discrimination because of the sex of the person whom you love.
          That’s the one I would choose.

          • Todd Peek

            So, your answer is a wordy version of “No, I have no credible proof that sexual orientation is anything more than a lifestyle choice.”

        • Nomolos Ydrah

          This isn’t an attempt to normalize pedophilia, and as the article states over and over again – SHE DOES NOT SUPPORT SEX OFFENDERS. Have you ever heard the term “nipping it in the bud”? She’s advocating for something like this so that people can be treated and understood BEFORE they ruin a child’s life. She makes it clear that the CHOICE in this matter is whether or not one violates a child. Until then, how can you or I tell when someone is a pedophile by just looking at them? We don’t know until they harm a child, and wouldn’t you rather try to make strides towards preventing that altogether by making people with pedophile attractions more comfortable with speaking up before they harm someone so they can be treated?

          • Todd Peek

            A wolf in sheeps clothing is still a wolf.
            You must look past the stated goal to see the long term objective for what it is.

          • Tyler Ward

            You mean your delusions.

          • http://victimsofgaybullying.wordpress.com/ JBenning

            And there is help…………….all they have to do is ask. #1 Problem…..gays now have fixed so that “unwanted” desires cannot be fixed and they use all kind of excuses for it. Some folks are just plain nuts. No offensive as I am not pointing fingers at anyone. Just sayin’.

          • Simes Jones

            agreed.

          • William Bauers

            Like they treat rapists? They haven’t been able to do it, they rape almost as soon as they are released and I have not seen one rapist say he has been cured, they can’t treat a corrupted mind and besides pedos are the same, THEY ENJOY THEIR PERVERSION so why would they speak up.

          • CeceD

            I’d like that woman to state what percentage of pedos are actually “in anguish” about their perversion. My guess: not many. The only material anguish I suspect really exists is on the part of those who act out … because they’re concerned they might get caught.

          • doree10

            As the article stated had the rapist become aware of his penchant toward destructive behavior, they may never have acted on it. Might be a good subject or sex edu. instead of teaching young boys how to put a condom on a banana…

          • Blubbedey

            You seem to know an awful lot about what pedophiles think and enjoy. I can only presume that is because you have personal experience with those thoughts?

          • William Bauers

            Well yeah, since I had to live with one of those PERVERTS from 1 yr old till after kindergarten, my sister and I were RAPED by the sick F**K for years, they should get the DEATH PENALTY for their SICK ASS perversion and the lives they destroy, sounds like you favor them to me.

          • Blubbedey

            Then I strongly sympathise with you, no one should have to go through that sort of ordeal. And I also understand your anger, and I hope you got some form of justice. While I never approve of the death penalty, they should definitely be locked away under miserable conditions for the rest of their lives.

            However, I am not defending people like the one you are talking about – it sounds like they had some very deep issues and were seriously fucked in more ways than one. I’m talking about people who feel attracted to children, but know it’s wrong and don’t act on it because they are also moral humans who would never want to hurt a child. Just like not every depressed person flies a plane full of people into a mountain (topical reference, huzzah), not every paedophile tortures, rapes or even touches children.

          • Grilles

            They don’t ‘treat’ rapists in the sense of preemptively addressing the underlying behaviors. They wait until it happens, then throw them into a (privatized) prison where they learn to be even more cruel and violent, then set them loose again.

          • Candie daughterofchrist

            I get your point, however, you have to understand our reaction about this article because sexual acts with a minor is associated with pedophilia. This article just opens the door to normalizing the sexual act with a minor & be used as a defense in court in the near future. This was how abortion and homosexuality was accepted and normalized in our lifetime! God bless you!

          • Grilles

            No, it absolutely does not. It paves the way for people with a severe problem to receive help. This leads toward PREVENTING the acts, not encouraging them.

            Just let it go, instead? Let it grow? I can’t stand the thought of any child ever going through such a thing, so why not find ways of intervening before people turn into assailants?

          • Candie daughterofchrist

            Like I said, I get your point. However, again, you cannot blame the reaction of many because pedophilia is associated with sexual acts with minors. Yes, I know the definition of pedophilia. There is help for those that have these issues out there. The problem is they refuse to get help. It’s not necessary for this law professor from Rutgers to write an article about this subject especially with that title. I think she is not qualified to write such article without collaboration with a psychologist. It would have been better if she collaborated with a psychologist to better explain her view but not with the same title. With that title you would get both repulse & if the person did not read the article assume that sexual acts with a minor is no longer a crime. That is why you are getting all these type of reaction. Also, by putting this in the forefront of public discussion, is the same as if it’s normal to have sexual attraction towards a minor. I am afraid that people that have these types of inclination will act towards their urges. This article should have been written in a medical journal before printing it in the mainstream newspaper. I hope I got my point across to you. May the GOD bless you!

          • Grilles

            I don’t know about that, Candie. An underlying message about this problem is that the resources for help for those afflicted are not exactly robust. You can’t pile everyone with a disorder into “THEY,” especially when claiming that, as a whole, ‘they’ refuse to get help. This article addresses what you’re choosing to ignore, which is exploring avenues for those who want assistance to get it and to prevent the problem from turning into action.

            Maybe having that title will open more eyes. The related crimes are the acts that occur, not the disorder itself. If you disagree, then you truly do not know the definition. And how on earth do you connect a public forefront with it being normal to have that attraction? That simply makes no sense. Bringing it to the public’s attention (a very empty, small attention span at that) is important so we can unearth effective ways to deal with this condition without this immediate witch hunt, which is only vindicated after an act has been committed.

            If you are worried that people with this inclination are going to act on it, should they not be intervened with early on in an effort to derail where it might lead if left alone? Right now, it’s left alone. Right now, we are failing to deal with the problem.

        • Joseph Monbeck
      • Peter

        ALL BEHAVIOR IS A CHOICE! AND THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A GAY… ONLY HOMOSEXUALS

        • Tyler Ward

          Yes, behavior is a choice, but your natural urges and/or attractions are not a choice. The CHOICE, is whether you act on them.

      • Nomolos Ydrah

        This is how online commenting always goes wrong, you don’t agree with someone’s reply but instead of just offering a rational rebuttal, you include assumptions about the other person’s character and lifestyle choices based on your own biases. Then instead of an intelligent debate on a topic, it descends into middle school as people combine speaking their point with defending themselves against your character assumption.

        • apergerboy

          And that is why we have a Senate and Congress, to safeguard us from our irrational emotions running wild in the streets….yes perhaps off topic, but yet reminding that too many people do not know the difference between a criminal act and a personal thought.

          • Johan

            Exactly right. People should not be persecuted for their thoughts, only their actions.

          • Rich

            REALLY?!?! Thoughts lead to actions or do you think politicians campaign for no reason or commercials have no validity on TV. Actions START with thoughts! Dwell on or embrace the thought for too long and you will eventually act upon it. WOW!

          • Johan

            So every single person who’s ever wanted to kill someone (but would never actually go through with it in reality) should be incarcerated for murder?! Seriously, wake up.

          • Grilles

            No.

      • Scott

        It is a choice and try to have a cogent and calm discussion. Remember, “open minded”, “all inclusive” and “tolerance”…. If somebody does not agree with you do not scream….

        • Tyler Ward

          The “choice” is whether to act on the urges. Who you are attracted to is not a choice. If pedophiles didn’t fear persecution, then maybe they could seek help and learn techniques to keep them from thinking about making the choice to act on their attraction, which is not a choice.

          • Shawmaf Khubba

            There is a qualification to this obvious truth, which can be found in Aristotle’s Ethics book III. ” But no one is encouraged to do the things
            that are neither in our power nor voluntary; it is assumed that there is
            no gain in being persuaded not to be hot or in pain or hungry or the like,
            since we shall experience these feelings none the less. Indeed, we punish
            a man for his very ignorance, if he is thought responsible for the ignorance,
            as when penalties are doubled in the case of drunkenness; for the moving
            principle is in the man himself, since he had the power of not getting
            drunk and his getting drunk was the cause of his ignorance. And we punish
            those who are ignorant of anything in the laws that they ought to know
            and that is not difficult, and so too in the case of anything else that
            they are thought to be ignorant of through carelessness; we assume that
            it is in their power not to be ignorant, since they have the power of taking
            care.” http://classics.mit.edu/Aristotle/nicomachaen.3.iii.html

          • Simes Jones

            I agree with what you said, partially, but what “urge” any of us allows oneself to “cultivate”,”grow” and which “urge” is Fed, IS a choice. Kiddy porn is illegal for a reason, one “chooses” to view it, and indulges. One has to wonder if pedophiles do this to ‘satiate” their urges (so they dont actually go out and molest a child), or to ‘FEED” their urges which propels the very thing they might be trying to avoid?…just discussing.

        • Stone Skull

          Try and choose.. Are you able?

      • The-Poet Darkling

        Bullets are a lot cheaper than the cost of trying, convicting, and feeding these wastes of humanity; and DEFINITELY CHEAPER than the price paid by the INNOCENT VICTIMS. Think rationally? Seriously? You mean rational like you, who condone this? Who wants to protect the poor pedophiles over innocent children?? I’m thinking you may be one yourself …

        • Stone Skull

          What do you charge, try and convict a pedophile for, if they haven’t hurt anyone?Are they only a pedophile once they molest a kid? Is it possible to help them before they abuse a kid? Isn’t it worth trying? Serious questions.

          • Simes Jones

            absolutely, people have to put their emotions aside of hostility towards sex abusers for a moment and think rationally. No-one is “pardoning” abusers, but a “sex abuser” is a different thing all together to one “who wants to abuse”. If the one who is inclined “to abuse” actually wants help for his sickness, is the only solution according to your ignorance, “a bullet?”

        • Simes Jones

          No-one is saying what YOU only are thinking. put your emotions in check and read between the lines. killing never solves anything.(other than feeding your ego temporarily)

      • Joseph de Nicola

        Way cheaper than a lifetime of psychotherapy for the child who has been molested.

      • Marie Timberlake

        Are you a pedophile Tyler Ward….

        • Simes Jones

          As another said here, and is applicable here: You don’t agree with someone’s reply but instead of just offering a rational rebuttal, you include assumptions about the other person’s character and lifestyle choices based on your own biases. Then instead of an intelligent debate on a topic, it descends into middle school as people combine speaking their point with defending themselves against your character assumption.

        • Tyler Ward

          Are you? Frankly it doesn’t matter. Attack the merits of an argument, not the character of the person making them.

        • Tyler Ward

          Are you? Frankly it doesn’t matter. Attack the merits of the argument, not the person making it.

      • Lincoln Hayes Pennell

        I’ve taken my Emotions out of it and still say this … There is no excuse nor reason for us to even bother with Pedophiles … I’m shocked on how quickly it took someone to Link Homosexuality to it and disgusted as well .. two totally different problems.

        • Johan

          While they may indeed be “two totally different problems”, as far as mental abnormalities go, pedophilia is on equal footing with homosexuality.

          Neither mental abnormality is a “crime”, nor should they be. Acting on them is an entirely different matter.

          The difference (and it’s a MASSIVE difference) is the manner in which people afflicted with either condition act on their impulses.

          Homosexuality between consenting adults is perfectly acceptable, whereas acting on pedophiliac urges is NEVER acceptable under ANY circumstances.

        • Tyler Ward

          No, they’re not. You just “choose” to see them differently. They both deal with seemingly unnatural attractions. It’s your emotions that cause you to see the two differently.

      • https://twitter.com/TrotlineDesigns Ron

        Being gay is a lifestyle choice. Being a pedophile is a lifestyle choice.. being bisexual is a lifestyle choice and being a cross dresser is a lifestyle choice. Whites getting married to blacks is a lifestyle choice, being a gardener is a lifestyle choice. Selling drugs is a lifestyle choice.
        Bullets are pretty cheap in the scope of things.

        • Stone Skull

          Yeah right.. Try choosing.. Go on.

        • Simes Jones

          …and this is the problem with America today…bullets are the answer to everything. Folk aren’t using their brains anymore and thinking things through rationally, only with emotion generated by a poorly written headline that immediately evokes hysterica.

        • Johan

          Is your ignorance a “lifestyle choice”?

      • fahrenlee

        As a mother, I do not care if a pedophile never acts on their urges or desires again- the fact we cannot control their thoughts and they very well may be thinking about doing something with my child is disgusting and a violation of my child. To me, a pedophile’s urges and desires being well-managed and controlled does not ensure my child’s safety from them. (Well, I ensure my child’s safety BC my son doesn’t leave my side and doesn’t talk to strangers, but what about the precious children who are not or cannot be looked after in such a way?) I would also say that even after therapy and counseling and years of no child contact, that life for a pedophile would be torture. It is just an assumption, but I feel a fair one- would the pedophile ever truly gain peace of mind, unless they were able to with children the way they will always desire?

        • Evol Hourai

          That goes into the dangerous territory of thought policing – the current generation of feminists are trying to push the notion that even just thinking about a woman who walks by can constitute rape; obviously, this is both ridiculous and wrong. If a pedophile keeps his thoughts to himself, maybe gets off on it, but doesn’t actually hurt a child, what’s the flaming problem? The fact that he thinks about it? Autism and schizophrenia are mental disorders, same as pedophilia, but you wouldn’t dare suggest that an autist or schizophrenic cap himself.

        • Johan

          And people who really wish they could kill someone but never act on their desires? Should they be incarcerated for murder – y’know, just in case?

        • Grilles

          So is your solution to wait until someone acts out so you can know, far too late, what they WERE thinking? That’s very much a head-in-the-sand approach to a major issue that has yet to be effectively addressed by modern humans.

          Of course it’s the most wretched thought as a parent. But you can’t fully protect children by any means, much less by derailing any attempt to look deeper into ways of preventing abuse. What we currently do does not prevent abuse. Far from it.

          I also think it’s a stretch to assume that someone with a specific sexual orientation is condemned to a life of intense sexual addiction. Be honest with yourself. Has your own sex drive changed over the course of your life, and without any intervention? Who’s to say, for those who wish to seek help, that therapy can’t numb sexual urges, especially when combined with medication? Hell, watch a few pharma commercials and count how many times an adverse affect on libido and the ability to ‘perform’ are mentioned as side effects?

          We can’t let this just continue as is and punish when it’s too late. I applaud any attempt to dig into this issue, because the result of the witch-hunt mentality about it has led only to complacency and zero action toward curbing/treating it.

      • rambo

        I have already paid for my ammo…..if a pedophilie touches my grand kids i won’t worry about the cost…..cry for them you die hard liberal

        • Robert Leichsenring

          they’ll quite probably be safe if your genes run strong 😉 granddad’s aim and senility, though, that might be a bigger danger for them

        • Tyler Ward

          You’re an idiot. If a pedo touches your kid, by all means, blow’em away. I’ll even help you get rid of the evidence. However, the goal is to keep pedophiles from acting out on their urges to begin with. How are people suffering from these unnatural urges supposed to get help BEFORE they offend with morons like you threatening to shoot them if they dare show their faces?

        • Grilles

          How is this a political issue, again?

          And your bravado is simply breath-taking. Thank you.

      • HLH

        rounds are if you do your own reloading idiot. pedophiles need to be put down. they serve no positive purpose on earth.

        • Tyler Ward

          I doubt that you do either. If you vanished tomorrow, I doubt the world at large would notice. Does that mean you should be put down?

          • HLH

            and the world would probably not miss you either. at least I am productive in society unlike these POS. typical liberal mantra, its not their fault, they are good people, take responsibility and take your punishment.

          • Tyler Ward

            You’re right. I doubt the world would miss me either. And never did I say it’s not their fault. If they act on their urges and harm a child, they should pay to the fullest extent.

      • Sheeva

        I do not think being gay is a lifestyle choice – however I do not think that them taking meds to suppress this disability would stop the bad people from doing the bad things they WANT to do. To think about it – I understand they cant help, however to ACT on it – the Pedophiles CAN help. It should be stopped. I say this as a Victim! Until you can speak as a victim I would just shut up.

        • Johan

          Homosexuality is just as much of “a lifestyle choice” as pedophilia. They are both mental abnormalities, and it is indeed a “choice” as to whether or not any person afflicted with these mental abnormalities CHOOSES to act on them.

          The major difference, of course, is that provided it’s consensual, there’s nothing ‘wrong’ with homosexuality. The same can not be said of pedophilia, because it can NEVER be genuinely consensual.

      • Martyn james

        You think that people “suffer” from paedophilia? What about their victims? That’s real suffering. Any “suffering” a paedo suffers is too little and fully deserved. People like you that protect them deserve the same result.. A bullet to the face. You are scum.

        • Tyler Ward

          You do realize that there are pedophiles who never offend, right? You can be a pedophile and never touch a kid. But what better way to ensure that a pedophile never seeks counseling and ends up harming a child than by threatening them with a “bullet to the face”? You’re an irrational moron……

      • Simes Jones

        well said.

      • Rich

        Follow the strategies of the homosexual agenda since the 1980’s and watch the progressive arguments that allowed homosexuality to be accepted by the mainstream. If you are honest, you will have to conclude that the arguments this lawyer is using uses the same terminologies and arguments the homosexual agenda used to move the issue out of the “moral realm” to the “civil rights” realm – which was a genius move on the part of the homosexual agenda. Even using the DSM-III as an example was exactly what the homosexual agenda did to “declassify it” as a mental disorder. (I am not agreeing that it is or isn’t a mental disorder, rather I am pointing out that the DSM-III classified homosexuality as a mental disorder up until the early 90’s.)

        • Tyler Ward

          There is one big difference between homosexuality and pedophilia….. Pedophilia has a victim. Homosexuality does not. For that reason, pedophilia, or rather, the act of sexual abuse of a child, can never be acceptable, nor will it ever be. That doesn’t mean that we shouldn’t try to understand what makes a pedophile a pedophile and find ways to help them so that they DON’T ever abuse a child. Problem is, people are afraid of the things they can’t fully comprehend, like pedophilia for instance. This causes them to lash out and say irrational things. As long as that’s the attitude, pedophiles will remain in the shadows, never getting help or the counseling that they need, and that in turn may lead them to offend one day.

    • Mary Goodson

      Try reading the article before posting. Dumbass.

      • Todd Grauman

        Seems to be a lot of that. “Why bother reading the article? I’ll just assume what it says, ditch all rational thought, and just emote! That’s how we roll on the interwebz!”
        Small minded ninnies. And so you fools grasp the concept…NOBODY WAS TRYING TO EXCUSE THE BEHAVIOR OF ACTUAL OFFENDERS!!

        • Todd Peek

          The trouble isn’t that people didn’t read the article. The trouble is that folks like you don’t want to comprehend the actual motivation of her position.
          Your rant at the end was truncated. It should read: “Nobody was trying to excuse the behavior of actual offenders…. YET!”

        • Simes Jones

          What you say IS very true, but name calling doesn’t exactly help this train of thought, or assist in helping others understand, does it?

    • Nomolos Ydrah

      Did you read the article? The point is, it’s not that simple. How do you know who is a pedophile until they harm a child? You or I might have friends and family that you love very much, and respect very much who have pedophile attractions that you don’t even know about because our society is so quick to stigmatize and conflate the term “pedophile” with “sex offender”. People do this to gays as well, conflating gayness with “AIDS” or “pedophilia” when that couldn’t be farther from the truth.

      I’m assuming you don’t advocate Witch Burning. What used to be the single crime of “witch craft” for which one was burned at the stake or hung is now a thousand mental disorders, social disorders, physical ailments that can be treated. We never found this out until we stopped burning people who we didn’t understand.

      Because of statement’s like yours, you are perpetuating the environment where people who suspect they have certain attractions will continue to hide for fear of people like you who want them to take themselves out of society all together with cheap bullets. This represses them until they end up breaking down and acting on their attractions. Why would you want to keep this kind of environment when we can try to prevent it all together by treating these people before we have to find out the hard way that they have these attractions.

      Most people, no matter how righteous they think they are, seem like they would have more in common with Hitler or Stalin if they were to take office, jeez.

    • Shawmaf Khubba

      Did you even read the article? Or are you incapable of rationally processing the obvious truth that a person is not morally responsible for the desires they have; they are morally responsible for how they act on those desires. However, if the means of eliminating pedophilic desires were common knowledge, then a pedophile would be responsible for eliminating desires which could give rise to harmful behavior. And further inquiry into the causes of pedophilia is precisely what Dr. Kaplan is calling for. Since you seem to care so much about the victims of *pederasty*, you should be enthusiastically in support of Dr. Kaplan’s proposals, not enthusiastically against them.

    • Rodrigo GF

      Maybe you was abused as a child.

    • doree10

      If you have been a victim or closely associated with a victim I can understand your hatred-if not it is apparent you have more of a mental disorder than these people might have. Research needs to be done.

    • Sheeva

      I agree

    • Mert Zoucha

      I agree with you Taylor. Don’t even read what the pedo-lovers write.

    • gwardyck

      I am with you!

    • Julian

      Human rights are for anyone who is human… if they apply to you so should they to pedophiles. We must debate and find a better way to deal with this social issue. Margo’s article has at least some level of truth that needs to be acknowledged.

    • Mona

      Thank you. I agree. As one who suffered the through my growing up years due to a step grandfather, and two uncles who repeatedly raped me and penetrated me from 7 years old until I was 14 years old when I had a knife ready to kill my grand father before I would let him get near me again. This woman is full of it and so is her stupid opinion. These pedophiles are not born that way, they are made that way. There is no way I will ever believe that left alone and them getting treatment that they would not act on their desire that is just plan bull.

    • Simes Jones

      there-in lies the problem with america.

    • Matthew Raymond Boger

      Suicide doesn’t help at all. The helpful thing to do is to give pedophiles a place to go to help prevent them from acting on their desires. If we continue to tell them to kill themselves and ignore the issue of pedophilia by not offering them any clinical help, then child molestation will always be a huge problem. Pedophilia will always exist…it always has. Maybe establishing a center where they could get help would improve things.

    • Caleb Hubbell

      If you had a child that grew up to be a “monster”, would you tell him to kill himself or even take it into your own hands to take his life?

      • Blubbedey

        I can just picture it – Taylor’s 14 year old son, distraught, has been slowly realising that what he feels is not normal, not ok. It takes him years to work up the courage, but finally he talks to his parents. Terrified, he tells them that he is attracted to girls much younger than him, and he thinks it’s wrong, and it’s scaring him.

        Without a word, Taylor stands up, gets a gun and emotionlessly shoots the monster.

        • Guest

          lol

    • Blubbedey

      Yes, we should definitely start killing people for their thoughts, that sounds like a fantastic way to live.

    • Richard R

      Such an insightful thought you have. Pretty happy you aren’t in charge. Where in the article do you see anything about giving anyone rights?

    • Grilles

      A person with an affliction, even one as polarizing as this one, who is addressing it and taking measures to prevent affecting others will always, without fail, be a far better person, citizen, and neighbor than someone whose solution is as blind and obdurate as yours.

  • Lance Mitaro

    The media, lawmakers and even the NCMEC is keeping this lie alive. They love to conflate sex offender = pedo = child abuser = sicko = rapist = pervert = deviant all in one sentence and have you believe they all mean the same thing, AND YOU ALL FALL FOR IT.

    Here’s another depressing fact for parents: Megan’s Law doesn’t prevent anything from happening to children. Your child will catch Ebola and die before being accosted by one of “those” people.

  • http://www.realdoll.com/ Marie Antoinette

    Pedophilia will always be a crime, this law professor should be sacked, tarred & feathered in Times Square.

    • simgiran

      If you think it’s to physically attack people for having an opinion which is in many ways founded in facts, I think you pose a risk to people around you.

      • http://www.realdoll.com/ Marie Antoinette

        You need to be in the same jail cell with your idol, Jerry Sandusky.

        • simgiran

          Sandusky is in no way my idol. Do you have anything else than unsubstantiated personal attacks?

          • Guest

            Jíst hovno a žít.

          • http://www.realdoll.com/ Marie Antoinette

            Admit it, you’re a pedo.

          • simgiran

            I’m not trying to hide that. Still the claim that Sandusky is my idol is false.

          • jessie

            Wow, you agree with this article only because you are a pedo… “my genes made me do it” defense is to i cannot control my urges because I have a disorder. Bullshit, your a pervert.

    • Sweet William

      Pedophilia alone is not a crime Thoughts or desires, without action, cannot be crimes.

    • Johan

      Do you not understand that there is a huge difference between “pedophiles” and “child molesters”?

  • Penguin

    Round the degenerates up.

  • asg749d

    Wow, these comments are filled with hate and lack of intellectual tolerance. Can anyone say something negative that’s actually intellectually engaging? The author surely knew she was getting into hot waters, but at least she did that after careful research.

    • Mark81150

      You cannot have a cold sterile intellectual discussion about a crime against children, it hits that raw primal nerve in human beings to protect their children at all costs.. it takes a particulaflly cold heart to not automatically understand that..

      I was molested by a female nurse at 8 years old.. I have a nephew who was sodomized at 4 by my sis in law’s then boyfriend of three months.. and the only reason he’s alive today, is the cops got to him first.. and all your concern goes to the poor 1% who are predisposed to do this.. if you are one, and do nothing to set yourself away from any possiblity of acting on it, you’re a tickin by time bomb… period. Sterilize yourself, then get help..

      protect children first… they are NOT an after thought here for your intellectual nerdgasm..

      • fvckoffallah

        Just a century ago nobody cared much about children. Also you do not care about Syrian or Iraq children when your government foments conflicts there. But your mentality today: children children children. You are basically saying “I turn off my brain when i talk about children and i am proud of it”. LOL. You do realize that turning brain off does not help anyhow in protecting children you are so worried about.

        • Mother

          They didn’t turn their brain off, and they didn’t hurt you. You are reacting quite poorly to someone with a traumatic experience in this exact area. You are the perpetrator in this conversation because you are causing pain. The op did not hurt you.

  • Lance Mitaro

    Humanizing these people is not the real threat.. The real threat is the final frontier of a world where no segment of society is left to vilify and castigate. No evil left to point the finger at to make ourselves feel better.

    • Blubbedey

      That will never happen – people will always find something new to get enraged about, no matter how stupid.

  • barbara lee

    To say we condemn her views and have not read what has been written is a facetious slur. This is all part of an agenda … the Jewish liberalization of Western morals continues… down down down we go….. This very tactic has been used to bring about social manipulation via political correctness for a long time. Next it would be “rude” to say “hurtful things” about the pedophile who raped your daughter and YOU could be the one charged for hurting his feelings. Think this is ridiculous? It is indeed a very slippery fast slope we fall down.

    • michaelm

      Yours is one of the few who’s got it hole in one. I looked at her, and her name, and knew that her post at academe was even more secure than before, for all the reasons you’ve so eloquently elucidated here.

  • Toomanyshadesofgray

    I just love how my comment was removed. Guess it offended someone as much as these posters offend me. Hypocrisy is UGLY!!

  • P. Wisemann

    I firmly believe that individuals are responsible for their own behavior, which is why the imposition of punishment for the commission of a crime is right and just. However I also believe, with equal conviction, that as members of society, our sense of integrity should drive us to act to prevent injustices from occurring where we are able.

    Do we not have a responsibility and an obligation to protect our children? I would argue that the best method of doing so, is to prevent something as horrible as sexual abuse from ever happening to them where it is humanly possible, rather than simply responding to it when it does. In regards to people who are attracted to young children and possess the potential capacity to harm them, the case can absolutely be made for a more active involvement on society’s part in the prevention of such abusive acts occurring.

    Even if you don’t agree that there’s a moral imperative to provide help
    for people with pedophilia before any child abuse occurs for their own sake, and its quite obvious that a lot of people do not, it still makes near perfect sense
    from a practical perspective. The more often society steps in and
    provides help for these people in learning to control or suppress their
    sexual urges, the better the chances are of preventing potential child
    abuse from ever occurring in the first place.

    I’ll say it again.

    The more we, as a society, seek to help these individuals control themselves, the more we improve the chance of preventing future child abuse. EVERY person, bar
    none, should be completely on board with the idea of preventing child
    abuse.

    For the sake of protecting some of societies most vulnerable members, our disgust and outrage that someone might be attracted to a young child needs to be secondary to finding effective methods of preventing abuse from occurring.

    If this means we have to find methods of helping people suppress urges and desires that we find totally abhorrent? SO BE IT. Nobody is asking you to be at ease with pedophilia, but shouldn’t each of us work to actively prevent any child from being the victim of sexual abuse, rather than simply rage about how vile disgusting the urges that drive people to commit such acts are?

    • alan_1969

      Are you able to profile someone and tell that they are a pedophile? The only way to be 100% sure is after the fact, if they are caught and the child is believable and there is proof. Just claiming someone is a pedophile doesn’t make it so. There is a crazy mother and son from colorado that claims everyone that is against them is a pedophile. What do you suggest, as a society, how to seek these people out and help them?

      • Nomolos Ydrah

        Well, you saw what the people in this comment thread suggested. Apparently, every time that crazy mother and son in Colorado accuse people with whom they disagree with of pedophilia, then we should take those people she accused and publicly flog, hang, burn at the stake, or force them to shoot themselves and then we will be rid of child molesters…

    • Todd Peek

      Don’t be so short sighted. This is just the first step in the process to normalize the behavior and even offer legal protection for those who engage in it.
      Notice that the definition is specific to pre-puberty. We’re already seeing the grey area expanded to exclude those who are attracted to 11-14 year olds.

  • George

    Oh, the stigma against pedophiles is hurting them? Let me grab my violin over here and play you a sad song. This lady’s worldview is what’s killing the American society. Slippery slope indeed.

    • Nomolos Ydrah

      The stigma isn’t hurting pedophiles as much as it is making prevention impossible.

    • Johan

      No, the stigma against them is preventing their treatment, which is putting our kids in danger. Way to go, George!

  • Kathleen Light

    ok, all right ……so can we get a disorder in line here for the parents of the victims of this “DISORDER” cause I know what will happen if I some fool messing with my grandbaby or any baby…..a permanent CURE

  • Sarah Joy

    If what you want is who you are, any desire, no matter how damaging to yourself and others, is a tyrant over you. Please, if you have a deviant desire, do not identify yourself by it!

  • Ronald Freitas

    pedophiles when caught molesting a child will admit they are homosexuals

  • Karen Robinson

    One cure for pedophiles, “Death”.

  • Gail Holt

    AND this person who is trying to reteach the definition for this is calling herself a teacher,,,that is what makes me want to homeschool even more .. the crap they are trying to shove down your throat, and rearrange all aspects of morals that anybody may have left these days. She probably doesn’t have children and if she did would she send hers for a day in the park with one……probably not ,,but she will teach it. I think Harvard needs to search for some real teachers of common sense….looks like they don’t have any. Wonder if she knows the definition of Bullshit…. because that is what this is. Just my opinion

  • Judith Robinson

    This is a part of the process of making the abnormal seem normal…The NARAL group wants to lower the age of consent…Where are we going with all of this ???!

  • Linda Hackett-Hutchinson

    Is she on drugs or what***************She must be a Liberal***************What a jackass

  • Mary Miller

    Imo, a lot of the commenters are like me in that “pedophile” has always meant someone who molests children. Ms. Kaplan makes some good points in her article, but undermines her advice by trying to get everyone to look at the word “pedophile” in a different way. She could very possibly get many more readers to understand the points she’s making if she invented a new phrase, even if it’s as simple as “potential pedophile”. (PP)

    There’s not much mention at all of the surest cure for this condition, castration. It could be voluntary for all PPs at no cost, in privacy; for ones who have acted on their urges it should be mandatory and immediate in all cases.

    All the urgent hatred shown in most of these comments is valid, but not practical except as far as it makes you all feel better for venting. As a mother of four, grandmother of 2, I also feel that hatred, but it’s only directed at PPs who go ahead and act on their desires. The ones who are working hard at suppressing the desire should be commended and helped, not punished, especially those who take advantage of the voluntary castration offer. That’s a huge step to take in order to protect children, giving up all possibility of any sex for the rest of your life.

  • Retarded Logic

    The author Kaplan is an idiot. I doubt she’d say the same thing about a man who would get off raping and beating her. My guess is she’s a Pedo trying to convince us her perversion is ok. Not buying that load of crap.

  • Sweet William

    Pedophiles should receive treatment if identified or if they seek help.

    Child molesters should be incapacitated for life if not executed.

  • People are sick in the head :(

    This article personally makes me sick to my stomach. “Like god said”….. Its better to tie a rock to your feet and jump in water If you choose to hurt one of my children…. Clearly Put. Even if you think on hurting a child. mentally, physically, verbally.. Do us all a faver 😉

    • http://batman-news.com PPABootsquadVinnie

      Which god said that? The one from that book of fables, the bible?

  • Teresa Optional

    From what I have read it seems most of you are missing the point. Maybe you all should be go back and actually read the ENTIRE article!

  • Dean

    She got a surprising amount of support??? From paedophiles you moron.

  • MC

    Now they’re going to demand their, “rights”.

    “The love between men and boys is at the foundation of homosexuality. For the gay community to imply that boy-love is not homosexual love is ridiculous.”” – National Lesbian & Gay Journalist’s Association.

  • jill h

    All i have to say is they should all be hung in the center of town . The damage they cause goes on to the one they molested forever , but they just go on with there lives . When and if the one who was molested decided to speak up and press charges its to late ..the effect lasts a lifetime. .

  • Dee Dee

    Thinking of the paedophile is necessary to understand it. The acting out of their urges is so destructive to the victim that we cannot consider treatment over confinement, treatment with confinement essential. I am a victim and at 65 years old l am still dealing with the effects , the offender was family and believe me he never stopped and was treated very lightly by the courts when he was caught. My soul was scarred by my experience and it has affected my relationship to all those l have loved including my own children.

  • Lynn Page

    Every child molester in prison, when interviewed, will tell you…”Let me out. I’ll do it, again”……..

    • Nomolos Ydrah

      Source? (that or your portfolio of interviews with imprisoned child molesters)

  • Fred

    What will the ramifications be for “reparative therapy” if they figure out how to modify, redirect, or even eliminate pedophiles’ sexual urges?

  • JR

    I actually agree with her ultimate bottom line, that while we should have no sympathy for people who violate children, we should try to treat people who feel this unholy attraction to them in hopes that they never will. There’s clearly something wrong with these people; let’s see if there’s a way to end that threat before it manifests itself in a horrific way.

  • Philatonian

    Kaplan might as well be saying rapists are born to rape. She’s trying to turn a complex psychosocial disorder into a black-and-white conversation by riding the coattails of the “it’s not a choice” success in the gay community. It sucks.

    It’s taken the gay community more than half a century to shed the “gays will prey on your children” propaganda and Kaplan managed to undo that in one pseudo-intellectual article. Even if being gay were a choice, who cares? Homosexual relations are as benign as heterosexual ones, they are between consenting parties.

    Pedophiles are potential rapists. They target the innocent and unwilling, some too young to have the cognitively capacity to understand what’s happening. If Kaplan wants to know study some have that urge, fine, but study it the way one studies true mental disease: locked up.

  • http://batman-news.com PPABootsquadVinnie

    Substitute ‘homosexual’ for pedophilia and you can understand that it is something you are born with, and likely will Never be able to suppress or control. While the results of this kind of ‘child abuse’ is terrible, we must find another way to deal with this. Chemical castration or other drug therapy is the only way. But who wants to pay for this, you say? We are already paying for it in childhood trauma [what happens to those kids?] and incarceration. Recidivism is high. Pedophiles have to register, yet where can they live? Who would hire them? Some folks think the only alternative is a pedophile
    Devil’s Island. This is not about normalizing pedophilia, it’s about dealing with a complicated disorder. No one would Choose to live that life, and the consequences that go with it. But the same folks who hate Gays for being gay are the ones who cannot see any solution other than shooting them on sight.

    • Mother

      Your last statement is patently false. I have many homosexual friends and family members who I care about and who conduct their sexual business with CONSENTING ADULTS who are not harmed by the act. I also have a young daughter, if anyone were to admit to me that they had a sexual attraction to her at this point I would remove them from her life. If they refused to go willingly I would use any means necessary to force the removal. I’m going to have a hard enough time restraining that urge when she’s old enough to date, I’ll happily bury a knife in the eye of anyone sexually attracted to her now.

      By the way, comparing homosexuality to pedophilia is disgusting. It’s not even close to the same thing.

  • Mary Goodson

    I’d like to see a study that correlates urges for “pedophilia” with the current fashion of waxing off ALL genital hair. They call it a “Brazilian Wax”. When I first heard of that I was shocked. All I could think was that there must be a LOT of closet pedophiles. Looks like I was right.

    And to those of you writing all the angry, hateful posts…. READ. THE. ARTICLE. Sheesh. She specifically talks about people who are attracted to children, but who have NOT ACTED UPON IT. They are not criminals. They KNOW it’s not right, but they have urges they need help overcoming. IDIOTS.

  • DaBag

    I’m guessing it’s an innate sexual preference, not much unlike a foot fetish, a thing for blondes… or a preference for those of the same sex. Unfortunately for them, their sexual preference happens to be illegal (to act upon), and rightfully so. Not sure what the solution is, but give this woman props for thinking out of the politically correct box and starting a dialogue to look for a proper one.

  • Guest

    Just send all pedophiles to the Middle East, that is where they’re socially accepted. Them and the goat humpers. Problem solved. Except for the little kids and the goats that is.

  • Guest

    The “progressives” also would have us believe that all men are potential rapists. Does this mean that all men are also potential pedophiles?

  • mudnducs

    why cant it be both?

  • JW Mack

    Why all this “protect the children” crap? If any of you truly felt this way you all would be working feverishly to overturn Roe versus Wade! Hypocrites!

  • Peter

    People like her advocate calling it inter-generational intimacy.

  • J A Coghlan

    Well, it’s so sad that this represents Rutger’s attempt to validate pedos or defend them legally. Sadly too it is highly inaccurate. MRIs of children do not show same response as adults to pedo stimuli. Ergo cannot be born with it. It is not a mental disorder. On the contrary it is a choice as she briefly mentions others note. Some fantasize about murder but never commit it. Same with liking kids in that way. She ought to do more research as her sources are out of date. To suggest it is a paraphilia and thus excusable is also psychologically wrong. So, too from the psychiatry angle. The chemicals released are like a thrill from drugs for drug users. The lust perspective again is not inexcusable as not having a choice in the matter. It relates to memory, the amygdala, rejection and other social negative factors and how prefrontal cortex reacts. None of this discussed above. To over simplify it as above undermines the rights of all child abuse victims. This puts the rights of pedos 1st over victims. Sadly a worldwide issue as some are beginning to grasp. Not just Rotherham, St Helena and USA. What next? Killers are not really able to control their urges? They are born that way? Pseudo science at best.

  • Brian O’Hallarn

    After reading this, I think Margo Kaplan has a serious disorder. I think she should set up shop and show us the way and how to treat pedophiles but, one would have to know who they are first. That will be known after they have done their dirty deed to a child, then it is too late. What a naïve Professor. It was my information that a pedophile can not be cured, unless the theory by psychologists has changed. I think I will support the current method of control and keep them under wraps.

  • Steve Allen Graves

    Sexual assaults on children can be prevented by providing a through and comprehensive education about sex while they are very young. I’m talking about as soon as they know the difference between male and female. If they are aware that they can be targets for predators and understand why, Uncle Bob is gonna have a hard time convincing them to play a new game.

  • Dada Muhaimin Chowdhury

    I agree it’s a disorder, and I also think same for lesbians and gay people this is also a disorder. maybe they can be treated some times.
    but It’s crime. think about a serial killer, he also have disorder but he shouldn’t live among people. if they can give a serial killer a death penalty of course they can do same for the pedophiles. in my view pedophilia is bigger crime than serial killing. because killer stopped some ones heart beating and it finished. but pedophilia ruin someone life and let them suffer for their whole life..

    • Cpl. Brown

      Wow, out of all the comments on here, this may be the worst. I’m going to address everything that’s wrong about this.

      1. Call it a disorder if you want, but gay people and pedophiles don’t choose who they are attracted to. You can’t treat it, sorry.

      2. No, it isn’t a crime. Pedophilia is a sexual attraction to children. Maybe you’re getting that mixed up with child molestation, which is most certainly a criminal offence. They should NEVER be used interchangeably.

      3. Your serial killer analogy is what really gets me here. the label “serial killer” is placed upon somebody because of illegal acts that they have committed. You can be a pedophile and do absolutely nothing wrong in your whole life, which is the case for most of them. How can you even compare the two?

      4. Pedophilia doesn’t ruin people’s lives. A child doesn’t know if somebody is thinking about them sexually, and if you’re walking down the street, you would never know if somebody is a pedophile or not.

  • lori

    When another person is violated it’s a crime

    • Caleb Hubbell

      I agree, but isn’t that a bit redundant in context of the article?
      The writer isnt’ saying that child molestation is ok… She’s addressing how we need to prevent child molestation before it happens.

      • IllaConsiderit

        Not to the “textually disadvantaged” and/or those suffering from Low- comprehensive gland’ syndrome…
        Initially A.D is of considerable need :)

  • J. Boanerges

    When you have lost any sense of sin, you contort aberrant behavior into a nebulous “disorder” and you keep them there. Instead of calling it what it is, sin, and confessing it so they can begin healing, they are now condemned to stay that way. This is sick.

  • http://comedyplus.blogspot.com/ comedyplus

    The most common form of treatment is psychotherapy
    and/or medication. These treatments tend to be effective, but more
    often than not, pedophiles relapse into their old behavior. If you feel
    like you may suffer from Pedophilia, it might be time to seek
    professional help. Seeking help from a professional psychologist or
    psychiatrist will help you better understand yourself and your disorder,
    and will help you overcome the Pedophilia and better your way of life.

    Read the Full Page: Pedophilia – Characteristics of Pedophilia – Causes and Treatment

    AllAboutCounseling.com

  • Cpl. Brown

    I disagree with Margo Kaplan, but she makes some very good points and I’m glad she did this.

    I disagree with her for different reasons than most of the people commenting here, though.

    Pedophilia is not a crime, of course. It also isn’t a disorder. It’s a sexual orientation where one is attracted to prepubescent children. I really don’t like the part where she says it constitutes a mental disorder if it causes marked distress…then says that pedophilia WILL cause this. Hold up…what? How the hell does she know what’s going on in a pedophile’s mind? Some (most? All?) pedophiles don’t want to be defined by that term…it’s just a sexual orientation. It’s who they are, but it isn’t something that has to be anybody’s business. They don’t have to let it affect them…and you don’t need a therapist to help you cope with your urges. You can be a pedophile and never even have those urges, but still be attracted.

    Unfortunately, pedophiles can become very distressed because of this. They know it’s okay, but when there’s people like the commenters here saying the stuff they are, how is that helping matters?

    Pedophiles can also lead a very healthy life. They can go their whole life without even THINKING about having sex with a child, because they know the possible repercussions. If there’s any group of people I know about that would do anything to keep children safe, it’s the non-offending pedophiles.

  • Gawd Soljah

    White Sex Violence as European men have always been rapping little boys calling their highest form of love. Look it up, they have statues carved on their churches of little boys sucking off priests. European Occupation and World domination have them trying to bring their discussing Queer Sex practices to the norm. Self genocide is the ultimate goal of White Sex Violence, and homosexuality is self genocide 101

  • Krglr

    Her idia of considering pedoplilia as a disorder is ludicrous. To sugar-coat it just to help pedophiles feel better or to “help them” is wrong. Crime is crime. Even if she wanted to prevent people from pedophiling it would not work. If crimes could be prevented than the world wouldn’t be the way it is now. The only one who can help stop evil is God. Pedophiles need something more powerful than therapy.

    A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.

    Ezekiel 36:26

  • billyrb1

    Castrate pedophiles

    • Johan

      No, castrate only pedophiles who actually ACT on their urges. Duh.

  • PCamuck

    “If pedophilia is a sexual “disorder” then by definition so is homosexuality. But obviously the academics are just going to ignore that little inconsistency. People have been screaming for a decade that pedophilia and polygamy were the next “civil rights” issues for the liberals bleeding hearts but the ignorant just won’t believe it. They are the ones with a disorder.

    • Caleb Hubbell

      I agree that homosexuality is a mental illness just like pedophilia.
      I don’t hate gays and think they deserve equal rights, but they are consenting adults. No victim, no crime. Child molesters are a whole different story. You have sexual exploitation and one who is not mature enough to consent. Homosexuality can’t be a crime unless its forced, child molestation is a crime no matter what because there’s a victim involved.

  • PCamuck

    All those in the comments claiming this isn’t a slippery slope attempt to legitimize pedophilia don’t know history. Homosexualality was criminal, then listed as a sexual disorder until a bunch of academics decided it was not a disorder just a few years ago. Same mode, same PR. This is how it starts.

    • Caleb Hubbell

      Two consenting adults of the same sex isnt’ the same as an adult and a child. The difference is consent and ability to consent.

  • Keepingitreal

    “Pedophiles are born that way” “not a crime”… I wonder if in the near future there will be a group of people who will call other people ignorant for not letting pedophiles live out as they are and get married.

  • Jock Doubleday

    Sounds like they got to Margo Kaplan pretty young. Stockholm Syndrome, anyone?

  • oneman86

    If this is her argument for Pedophilia, then is rape, in general, a mental disorder? Is murder a disorder? Is arson and burglary a disorder? Are criminal acts, as a whole, a direct result from a mental disorder? Are the founders of NAMBLA mentally ill?

    Before you Liberals henpeck this comment apart with your defense of your denial, let me say that this quack lawyer probably doesn’t have any kids. If she does, then they live a posh and secure lifestyle. I can’t fathom ANY self-respecting parent regarding Pedophilia as a “mental disorder”. Adolescent kids to full-grown adults all have a moral compass. We all know the difference between right and wrong. Pedophilia is not something you’re “born with”. People choose to molest and rape young men and women. They’re not “confused” or “didn’t know any better”. They’re old enough and wise enough to know that it’s completely wrong, illegal, and unjustifiable. Nobody deserves it. Stop making excuses for this insidious behavior!

  • Maude Rigby

    I do not see pedophilia the same way as depression or schizophrenia. Pedophilia is a direct threat to children, always! Most other disorders are not. A person with depression is far more likely to harm himself than anyone else. Still, when he has a flare up in symptoms, we have him committed for his own good. When a pedophile has a flare up, he is molesting a child. There is no comparison! If we do not put them in prison, we should at least have a way to keep them out of society, as they are a direct threat to the children in it.

  • Vulandra

    Too many people making comments and no one read the article smh. She’s advocating getting help for those who self identify BEFORE they do anything. Even she says basically if they do the crime they should do the time…..

  • Malik

    In the books of Psychology homosexuality prior to political influence to remove it from the medical books as a sickness homosexuality was defined as a mental illiness. Pedophelia is a off shot of homosexuality. Its no difference than a rapest who seek out women.

  • J Nirel Jefferson

    PAY ATTENTION TO THE LANGUAGE WRITTEN IN THIS ARTICLE!! IT’S THE SAME LANGUAGE THEY USED WITH GAYS IN THE CLOSET. THEY’RE GETTING READY TO MAKE IT LEGAL!!

    • Bruce Wayné

      How about YOU pay attention to the WORDS in this article? Nowhere does it say in this entire article that sex offenders should not be punished. She only said that we should make preemptive strikes towards it and stopping the DESIRE before it turns into ACT. Would you rather wait for a pedophile to put his desires into act and molest a child and THEN lock him up? Or would you have him be treated and make him understand more about himself so that he gets rid of those desires such that there wont be anymore danger of him ever touching a child in the first place?

  • Wayne Rutherford

    So from your thinking to murder or rape is not a crime but just an other disorder? Crazy logic.

  • skyline

    ‘Biology is not Destiny, Human sexuality is too varied and complex to be reduced to a simple equation of genes plus hormones.’
    -UK Gay Rights Activist Peter Tatchell-

    Sexual Desire and Sexual Behavior are two distinct things.

    Anybody read Aldous Huxley?

  • skyline

    Acrotomophilia , refers to an individual whom sexual interest in amputees.
    Apotemnophilia, the sexual interest in being an amputee.

  • skyline

    Cognitive Dissonance: Peadophilia
    Peadophilia is not normal nor natural, peadophilic behavior is a choice and it is a sign of moral, cultural and social decay. Sexologist Dr Alfred Kinsey was the most deranged, dishonest, academic ever to grace this earth.

  • Soldier

    She is a disgusting monster. Hopefully someone aborts her with the rest of the perverts. I mean she’s pro-abortion I bet right? So, why not abort her from this planet since she is obviously sick in the head?

  • Adam Cole

    quit that school, they are making you more stupid

  • Nora Dennis

    What a crock of bull! I’ve agonized for years over why any adult would want to have sex with a child who doesn’t understand what sex is, who wouldn’t know how to please another person sexually if their lives (and sometimes it does) depended on it. I’m sorry but a pedophile is a sick individual who has sex with children BECAUSE THE CHILD CAN’T FIGHT BACK and if they try to fight back are told that their parent won’t believe them or will get in trouble if they do. I know from experience what these sick SOB’s are like. So what this so called Professor is spewing is a bunch of hog wash and trying to make pedophilia an acceptable behavior. God this world we are living in now is making be sick to my stomach! It’s taken me years to get over what happened to me in my childhood, and this b** is trying to make pedophilia acceptable?!!! Let’s nip it in the bud so to speak? Let’s lock the SOB up!! Don’t let them around ANY child! An adult who has sex with a child messes them up for the rest of their lives! They remember and don’t forget what was done to them! Maybe they move on with their lives, heal the best they can BUT THEY NEVER EVER FORGET!!! She’s frigging crazy to justify a pedophiles behavior as being “born with it”. God these people make me sick!!

    • Melissa Levey

      I’d say the good “doctor” actually never had any experiences with a pedophile when she was a little girl. I, too have ugly memories of my next door neighbor attempting to engage me in sexual “play”. He was physically, mentally, and spiritually ugly. He had incestuous relations with his daughters, who happened to be my best friends, and when he was “refused” the pleasure of diddling little girls, he punished his daughters by killing a pet or leaving them home alone for days at a time without money or food. Worst thing was the authorities wouldn’t take our word, and never did anything to protect us. Pedophiles don’t deserve sympathy whatsoever!

  • AM

    Now tell me again about how being “born this way” makes it good?

  • Alan Travis

    And people like this woman call themselves *scholars*. Sickening, truly sickening.
    There is no correlation between education level and common sense. None.

  • Donald Morris

    Positive e=mails ??? …. emm I would bet there from all those pedophiles.

  • Rickey White

    death to pedos

  • Karon Adams

    There IS a pill to fix this problem. it is delivered at high speed, generally to the region of the head. works every single time. solves this public health crises in moments.

    • Bruce Wayné

      How about you take a whole box of those “pills” and use them on yourself? You havent even read the entire article to understand what the actual IDEA behind it was. It was not the acceptance of pedophiles. It was the TREATMENT of pedophilia BEFORE they actually have the chance to molest a child. But ignorant fools like you who keep spouting verbal violence against people who havent even acted on their desires only makes them hide even more and makes the problem more difficult to solve.

  • Karon Adams

    and THIS is what happens when deviance is defined down into normality. this is what happens when you say, everyone can love anyone and anyone should be allowed to love who they love. this is what happens when society says ‘none of my business’. this makes me madder than just about anything. these are the people we need to simply remove from society as quickly, efficiently and unemotionally as possible. period.

  • bianca

    Pedophile doesnt mean they have had sex with a child. Thats a sex offender who is a pedophile. They are born as pedophiles, they dont have a choice. Just like people who are born with brain tumors. No choice in it… I was born with several mental illnesses & I am also a lesbian & have been since I was born, its not my choice to have all these mental health issues otherwise I would choose not too. Its hard enough for me to get through each day Ecspecially when I was a child because I didnt want to be mentally ill, I wanted to be normal like everyone else that I seen & there is soo much help and treatment for mentally ill people but yet I still didnt want to be on earth and didnt fit in anywhere.. so imagine how people feel being attracted to a child, not all of them like the way they are, some will live their whole life without acting on it once and then it will be their secret that they took to their grave, some will over power their urges and attractions but yes there will still be some who will act on it because they are not strong enough to hold themselves back & there will be some that enjoy sex offending. My personal opinion is that I think its outright wrong and disgusting to sex offend to anyone Ecspecially a child. We all think child molesters as soon as we hear the word pedophile only because we dont know how much of a percentage of people have pedophilia and can over power it and take it to their grave.. anyones family member, friend , neighbour could be this person.. just because I have several mental illnesses including depression, anger, bipolar, etc. It doesnt mean that it cant be controlled!! Hate on the sex offenders, not on the people who have no choice of who they are but wish to be different & spend their whole lives hiding their illness & not acting on them because they know its wrong.

  • ernie

    Not worth reading. What’s next bank robbers are shopaholics? There is no excuse for this behavior or anyone that defends it. They should all be castrated then electrocuted, then shot and cremated.

    • Bruce Wayné

      And here’s another ignorant fool who only contributes to the perpetual ignorance of today’s society.
      READ the artice and THEN comment.

  • fdup2

    Until we recognize that pedophilia is a disease we will never make any progress helping these men and women. Many of them were abused as a child and have no way of getting help when they begin to have these feelings. Some people who are labeled as pedophiles have never learned the proper way to love. Often pedophilia is generational because there was no good role model. I am not saying that they should not be punished when they break the law, but there needs to be help for them before they offend. We say that alcoholism is a disease and we give the AA. When are we going to help these men?

  • Simes Jones

    Yes, we all know the difference between a “thought” and “acting” upon that thought, whatever that “thought” is. Nothing is a crime, until acted upon. My concern is this; Say a pedophile speaks up on his/her condition/inclination, self aware that it is wrong and/or a”disorder”, what then?. Will it open the doors to what they did to homosexuals in the early part of the 20th century, by chemical castration? or with the methods of ‘treatment” be much more advanced and “civilized”?. Until the consequence of “coming out”(just saying) is widely understood, most pedophiles will likely NOT, and stay hidden, much like Priests do, for the shame, scrutiny, public humiliation, and uncertain consequences regarding method of treatment they will receive, given (or forcibly applied?).
    I think its a good idea to encourage treatment for what arguably is a “sickness” of the brain. No-one is trying to minimize the severity of acts of child abuse, but no-one will “fess up” unless this subject is tackled head on.

  • Circassian Beauty

    Statutory is a really gray area, but that involves adolescents, NOT children. If you do anything to a kid, you’re sick and this is one stupid woman. She’ll lose her job in a week, don’t worry. Someone set her up to reveal these opinions in an open forum to expose her. What a dumb ho.

  • William Bauers

    Not a CRIME?? Try telling that to my sister and I, she drank herself to death by 47 and it still affects me deep inside at almost 52, we were left with one of those kind souls by our mom, I was dropped off at 1yrs old, my sister was brought when I was 3, she was 3 yrs older than I, we were there until after I left kindergarten, my sister thought our mom was putting us up for adoption with that family, they were family friends. I remember one incident with that psychopath and the rest I blacked out, my sister said it was repeated assaults, he also had 4 kids of his own, one became a heroin addict and ODd, the daughter became a hooker, the other son committed suicide and the 4th I don’t know about, pedophiles don’t announce it, so how will these idiots find them, and RAPE IS RAPE, IT LEAVES ONLY VICTIMS IN ITS WAKE, CHILDREN CAN NOT GIVE MATURE CONSENT FOR SEX, it is a PERVERSION OF THE FLESH PERIOD!!! THEY LIKE SEX WITH LITTLE KIDS and there is no damn treatment for them, I CAN SEE HOW WELL SEX OFFENDERS HAVE DONE WITH THERAPY!! RAPISTS ARE RAPISTS AND SHOULD BE REMOVED FROM THE PUBLIC FOR LIFE!!

  • Candie daughterofchrist

    Maybe in this author’s ghastly & macabre low intelligence, murder is not a crime at the hands of a serial killer because they cannot control their urge.

  • Ryan Odell Goss

    Pedophilia is an illness be it a spiritual, psychological, or both but it is a crime as soon as it is acted upon. On the one hand I don’t think it helps societies to force people to hide their afflictions because then they are more likely to go untreated and act out what they play in their mind over and again when opportunity knocks for them. On the other hand, it is an awful disorder to even try to empathize with. to To be clear, pedophiles have no right to act on pedophilia, that’s not what I’m suggesting at all, but what if society were to encourage people with such afflictions to come out of the darkness, and get help? You know before they go untreated so long that they graduate from pedophile to pedophile who has molested a child, or worse? The issue is not with people being born with afflictions, or generational curses, it is with what we as a society do to help those people to overcome these things before they even become issues. To be clear, it is perfectly legal in this country to fantasize about all kinds of evils, though highly un-recommended. It is the very moment you act out on them, that they become both crimes, and choices that impact the whole society, a crime against a person is a crime against every tax paying citizen in this nation, so our money is always better spent on prevention than cure. I propose saving words like “monster for those adults who have abused children in general, but with specific emphasis on sexual abuse.” In the alternative, I propose we honor and encourage the brave choice of any man or woman pedophile who is so strong and determined they come forward and confess their affliction prior to the abuse of any, what better thing could any of us do with our time than to support those afflicted with pedophilia on a day to day basis, if it prevented children from being harmed?

    • pinksky

      What are you on about people like you make me sick excuses excuses

      • Ryan Odell Goss

        So what you are saying is you are a pedophile? If that is the case, it is your sickness that makes me sick, not people like me, people like me do whatever we can to make you well, or at least eliminate you as a threat to society.

      • Ryan Odell Goss

        People like me have nothing to do with your illness, if you are sick in this way there are people like me who would rather you come out and be purged from your affliction through whatever means possible then to be forced into the shadows where you can avoid your illness, and hurt other people. I’m not making excuses for anyone, I’m exposing the darkness real evil allows to continue by making people think invoking fear of death or being called a monster for seriously demented issues people have been born with, is better than encouraging people to come forward and address it before it develops into crime phase, that is when it is acted out upon. Lucky for you, having the disorder in your brain does not make you guilty of a crime, otherwise you would have already committed murder in your heart yes? As would I, that sort of thing is between us and God, what is a matter of law is that a crime must be committed before a consequence such as death can be applied… You do see the lack of incentive for people to come forward and seek help that they may harm no one under these deeply flawed methods yes? Or are you in your sickness you assign blame to me for, perfectly content providing a refuge of darkness for these to hide?

  • Factsheet

    FEMALE PEDOPHILES – Pedophilia is a very serious problem and potential threat and danger to children in societies’ care, educational, sports-, cultural and other leisure institutions. I agree with mrs. Margo Kaplan that it first of all should be adressed with facts and reality. However in her article in the New York Times as it was pictured above mrs. Margo Kaplan in the second alinea of her opinion article gives the strong impression that pedophiles are supposed to be males only. Allthough she corrects that in the above interview somewhat, she still gives the impression that female pedophiles are not such a huge problem to children. This is untrue. There is also a substantial number of female pedophiles out there which became more and more visible to society in the last decennia since women have emancipated from the privacy of family settings to the scrutiny of public settings. This process is still ongoing since these female pedophiles are now still stepping out of the privacy woodwork of their families so to speak and as a result the problem of female pedophiles is still substantially underestimated. Like their male counterparts they also form a substantial threat to their victims. Only think for example of the length that the parents of the victim-children of teacher Debra Lafave had to go through some years ago to protect their children from the devastating public aftermath of her prosecution and the way mrs Lafave got away from any serious punishment.

  • Peace Love Bunny

    Me torturing and murdering pedophiles is ALSO a disorder, not a crime.

    It’s genetic. You cannot blame me. I should never be prosecuted or even arrested for it.

  • ram1020

    Wow! There are tendencies that one is born with that can be reasonably expected to be suppressed! Who’d have thought.

  • justathought22

    Just another set of excuses for those that commit crimes. Just like excuses for drug addicts and thugs. When exactly do you stop protecting the criminals and start protecting the victims? Why is there such a need to protect and make excuses for criminals? IF you wanted to you could find an excuse for every behavior and then no one needs to take responsibility for their actions.

  • Shirley Johnson

    Maybe there should be mandatory testing. I know there is a test they do for criminal cases of molestation. Then, place them all in treatment/rehab centers away from children. I wish someone had done this years ago would have saved me lots of money on therapy after being attacked as a child.
    This is such a shameful thing that the victim is often blamed. Even years later I know of victims getting married and then the spouses family finds out about it (in one case the girl was 6 years old when it happened) . Victims are often treated like they have the plague. Divorce has even happened in some cases because the extended family could not come to terms with what happened to the victim. Really, like man it happened when I was a child – it was not my fault, I did not want for it to happen, And it did not turn me into a monster.

  • Audrey Z

    I understand to an extent where this women is coming from it is a mental problem they cant be cured or fixed but then she goes on to make them seem like they are the ones who need protected so they dont commit suicide what about the children like i once was who try to kill themselves becaise it is happening or did where is there protection the kids like myself who even though it happened when they were twelve at age 21 still wake up with nightsweats and night terrors and suffer from ptsd and have to see therapist after therapist and try anxiety medication after anxiety medication where is their advocate in this discussion there are plenty of people out there who suffer from one disorder or another i see no reason while someone with “pedophilia” is any different and deserves any special treatment if they have a problem they should see a doctor and its all about self control people who are attracted to people their own age dont corner others and fondle them because they cant handle their urges and if they do they get the same treatment as a pedophile society doesnt pick favorites so stop trying to make them…

  • northofmontana

    you wanna be a pedofile ,,knock yourself out ,,,but if you come with in fifty feet of my familys little ones ,the next thing you will know is just exactly what eternity looks like.

    • Guest

      See, this is why it’s impossible for pedophiles to come out and get help if they need it. Are you going to thoroughly interrogate everybody that comes within 50 feet of your kids? Even if you do, chances are you still won’t really know if somebody is a pedophile or not. I suggest you live your life without worrying about possible pedophiles being around your kids, because you simply can never know who is one and who isn’t. You probably don’t want to hear that, but most pedophiles live normal lives without hurting anybody.

  • Shannon Cooper

    You go through it then tell me it’s not a crime what is wrong with you. As a child I went through it and always believed something was wrong with me I didn’t know what I had done to deserve that kind of treatment. You are a sick woman to stand up for people like that!

    • AGuestWhoCanRead

      Didn’t read the article at all ^

  • TAODANCER59

    Pedophilia may be a disorder, but the act is a crime. Anyone who attempts to justify it with some kind of legitimacy is just as criminal as the perpetrator. It is a horrific act against the vulnerable and should be treated as the offense it is. By this logic I suppose murder is just an act, not a crime. Until of course, it happens to you.

    • Guest

      The act is a crime? The act of pedophilia? Being sexually attracted to children, just like being attracted to adults as I would assume you are, is definitely not a crime. Nobody here is trying to justify child molestation, which is a horrific act and crime, but Kaplan is right about pedophilia not being a crime. If you disagree, you probably don’t know the definition of pedophilia. And murder is an act as well as a crime, but the logic you claim Kaplan uses is not found anywhere in the article, that you presumably haven’t read.

  • Laurita Petry-Dominick

    First of all….everyone is entitled to an opinion…..people’s personal religion or beliefs are THEIR personal biz…..I don’t believe GOD appointed anyone on earth to be the self righteous judge for anyone else….judge not least he be judged….I never once heard JC ever tell anyone your going to hell and your hopeless….just a thought…..the topic of pedophilia…..sorry….I just think it’s a bunch of bull….I think it is a crime for an adult to take advantage of a child in a sexual way……I think most of the time it is calculated and premeditated…..the child has no say in the matter and no way to protect itself……if an adult feels he has leanings or tendencies in this direction…..there is no doubt in my mind that they know it’s wrong to start with….that it is unacceptable behavior…..or they wouldn’t do it in secret….I also believe they can seek help before anything ever happens….I think it is grossly unfair to make excuses for these folks and expect a child to carry the burden the rest of their life when they get sexually abused…..the people that act on these impulses deliberately choose little people that can’t defend themselves and add a measure of mental abuse as well especially if they want the child to keep silent….the adults know full well it’s wrong….if they can’t control themselves they know that too….just my opinion.

  • Sarah McMurl Metcalf

    You received Possitive emails?! Haha yeah that really don’t surprise me in this day and age were living in. .. Next thing to become a “disorder” is murder!
    Disorder is about right ! This world is full of disorder… You can’t have order without God.

  • Laurita Petry-Dominick

    Jesuschristsuperstrain…..just wondering when did GOD appoint you judge? I never once read in the bible or any other book where Jesus Christ ever said your job brothers and sisters is to judge everyone else….as a matter of fact it warns us against that….judge not least you be judged…..like I said just wondering…..it also never States one time in the good book that you should trust your fellow man….it also says vengeance is mine sayeth the lord I will repay….everyone has a right to their opinions whether we agree with them or not…

  • Kelly Brown

    She is getting postive replies from others that are pedophiles that would like to legalise being able to sexually offend children. Every decent citizen and human being needs to get together to stop this before it gets started. Why are people even listening to this rubbish!

  • Avi Hirsch

    What she is saying is essentially correct. Why do you think there is so much schoolgirl porn out there? There is nothing wrong to be attracted to young girls. It is wrong to harm them. It is a healthy fantasy and fetish, and you can give into this fantasy by having your wife or significant other wear pig tails and eat a lollipop.

    The same is true with rape fantasies. I have on occasion had “forced” consensual sex with my wife, and it was fun for both of us. It is actually very enjoyable, because I felt the rush of being dominant, while at the same time felt very close with my wife because she is sharing this with me.

    Urges are not crimes. Actions are crimes.

  • DJR

    Perverts…

  • Boagreous

    What have I been saying? First the gags get to redefine marriage and then comes rights & protections for pedophillia. The Demoncrapic party now represents the immoral and unethical behavior going on in our society today. Their day of reckoning will be upon them.

  • jordan

    She is a pedo for sure! Such a pathetic waste of skin, she should be stripped of her write to communicate in public.

  • Janette Morris

    what the hell would she know about abuse people like this should never be allowed to speak they have no idea what abuse is never mind be a victim of disgusting

  • Christebalissimo

    This ideology is brought about by WRONG and misleading psychiatric quackary. The moment someones crimes are not crimes but sympathetically treated justification, you take away a persons responsibility for his actions and make him a victim. OF COURSE IT’S A MENTAL DISORDER, as a person is not in his right mind for doing anything of that nature, but that does not justify his actions nor exempt him/her of ANY concequence. This however is the plan of psychiatry: to convince man he is a victim of his own state, and he should submit himself to the those who know better. This mentality has seeped into modern education, and your average Joe absorbs these falsehoods blindly.Next step is no one is liable for his actions as they are all diseases…even murder. Think about it : who benifits most by being able to label ALL ACTIONS as diseases and “mental diseases”. Big Pharma is a puppet master like no other! Margo, you know very well the DSM is a farce, even the culprits snigger about it, as they have created the ultimate golden goose and Bible in one blow! Who pays your wages Margo?

  • Dave Garry

    I’ve noticed that a couple of globalist masonic shills, one in England, and now in America, have gotten their orders from their satanic/pedophile masters recently to throw a tidbit for the media to report to see if we’re been conditioned yet to accept the next phase of kabbalistic externalization/”normalization” of their perverted practices. Oops, reaction bad. better tweak the propaganda a bit and see what happens…

  • McHale72

    Let’s call it a disorder. That means it can’t be fixed and we shouldn’t try. Prison is the only place for pedophiles, regardless how they got that way.

  • Smitty

    This women is an idiot I don’t care where she went to school or what degrees she has every time some one messes up they come up with the old excuse they were born that way like if you gay it couldn’t be cause you just like the same sex no it is because you were born that way or if your a serial killer no they were born that way give me a break they weren’t born that way so get over the pity party they made their choice and acted on it the end that’s no reason to give them away to get out of it in the courts cause now that will be all their excuses and some bleeding heart judge will let them go to do it again but hey no big deal let’s all feel sorry for them sorry but not here.

  • Dave Garry

    I’ve noticed that a couple of globalist masonic shills, one in England, and now in America, have gotten their orders from their satanic/pedophile masters recently to throw a tidbit for the media to report to see if we’re been conditioned yet to accept the next phase of kabbalistic externalization/”normalization” of their perverted practices. Oops, reaction bad. better tweak the propaganda a bit and see what happens…

  • bodica

    I seldom use this term, but it is merited here – this woman is an ASS! And a PAID TO PROTECT PERVERT ASS at that.
    This tranche is going on in England as well as the USA – and probably starting up in Australia, etc.
    NO HEALTHY PERSON SEXUALISES CHILDREN. AND THOSE WHO DO WILL ALWAYS LOOK FOR AN OPPORTUNITY TO EXPRESS THAT PERVERTED, SICK, HATE FILLED SADISTIC LUST.

    The ‘shout’ is not for sane and healthy people but for those who hide behind these serpentine excuses to PUT OUR CHILDREN IN DANGER.

  • Maria Martinez

    Well in my opinion if a pedophile touches any child in my family I will become a doctor and cure him. So it won’t be a crime since im just curing him of his condition or disease as Dr Margo Kaplan puts it. Right?

  • Aaron Freeman

    A single bullet to the head, cures paedophilia…

  • Joshua Daniels

    How degenerate can this world be?

  • David Bhart

    To everyone who says that pedophiles who haven’t actually acted upon their thoughts deserve prison/death/whatever, do you think that you should be charged for for murder if you really want to kill someone, but don’t actually do it?

  • LadyLetitia Kemister

    I totally agree with her, I was abused for years by someone who experienced trauma himself at these critical ages, and as such his pedofilia was born, it IS a mental illness, and needs be treated. I have been saying for years sex offenders should serve their time and then be interred in high security psych facilities until such time as their condition is managed or if not, stay there. It also stands to reason those who have these tendencies should be afforded treatment before they offend.

  • Sons of Liberty

    She probably takes part in it.

  • Maria Scott

    What a bunch of chit.

  • Pete Lanteri

    You touch a child, you should die! PERIOD!!! END OF EFFING SENTENCE!!!

  • Joanna Evans

    Disability = free money from the government. That way, they have all day to lurk around schools, playgrounds. Disgusting! Call it what it is – Perversion!

  • DanielCourtney Davis

    this is the same as being gay its a sexual choice doesn’t mean its right or you should be able to do it. if you are any of these things its a choice but you should accept you have to answer for it one day

  • Stephen B

    Change the way that psychology professionals categorize the disorder to lessen the stigma of pedophiles…wait, this sounds familiar. Once considered a mental illness until coerced to change it (without any evidence to the contrary other than political correctness) homosexuality was also considered a disorder by medical and psychology professionals. So if I am correct then we can expect in only a few decades to see pedophilia pride parades along with more shaming of those who consider pedophilia to be deviant behavior. Satan is working overtime, better gird yourself.

    • Richie

      Uh, no. Because adults can consent and children cannot.

      • Stephen B

        Ritchie, mark my words. They will use the same tactics and the same verbiage. It is evil but will soon be considered normal.

  • Jim

    The commenters who are “sensitive” to the pedophiles seem to be forgetting that if/when they act on their urges, they are committing heinous crimes against children. Anybody who has ever been a parent knows the instinctive behavior of protecting children from harm, regardless if the person is suffering from a “condition”. Pedophiles are a threat to children and people are going to protect their children – too bad for the sufferers of pedophilia. Bottom line – it sucks being a pedophile.

  • Tim

    Is there a reason for her doing this as in perhaps she is attracted to very young boys? Is this why demoncrats are in love with sharia law because it allows the molesting of children?

  • LJGriff

    WOW! Just what we need to do, provide a sexual predator an excuse to prey on children. What about having a moral compass? Yes, I will agree that an adult can look at a child, or a younger person and say that that child is a good looking child, but there is something called a moral compass that turns on which stops that adult from thinking sexual thoughts about that child. Someone who does not have that moral compass, and who can not control their behavior, is a sexual predator and does not need to be among the general public. There are no excuses. Is it a mental illness? Perhaps? But they call a mass murder a psychopath too (a mental illness).

  • Liza

    I call BULL CRAP!!!!!!!!

  • Thinker

    The only positive responses she got were from pedophiles.

    • neil allen

      And Catholics

  • Anita Wages

    Margo must be a pedophile to take up for them like this.

  • Guest

    “I am getting more emails of support than I ever expected.”
    “Who are you getting these positive emails from?”
    “Child molesters.”

  • Corelogik

    Knew this was coming,…

  • Sheeva

    Speaking as someone who was a VICTIM of this Pedophilia – I agree help should be given in advance… but I do not think it would stop the behavior! I still see them raping, molesting. sodomizing, and or killing children! I would want justice to keep them locked up. They truly should have their own island where if they want to do those bad things, they could do it to each other! I personally do not think it will stop!

  • Non Compos Mentis

    Murder is a mental disease … and rape and larceny and burglary and spousal abuse, and ….

  • Mert Zoucha

    Liberalism and pedophilia are both conditions that a person is unable to control themselves and in both cases the subject should be institutionalized permanently.

    • neil allen

      add Catholicism, which includes pedophilia

  • Fred Flinstone

    A very brave article indeed. It will take several more years for our society to recognize the wisdom of this article. It’s akin to discussing gay marriage in the 1950’s. One size does not fit all for people who are mentally ill and may commit sex crimes. Our “burn the witch! – before they even commit a crime” attitude which is dominantly displayed in many of the comments below illustrates such.

    Let agree on a base theory – these people suffer from some form of mental illness. In medieval times, anyone with a mental illness of any sort were typically put to death quite cruelly. Later death was replaced by being sentenced to life in horrible mental institutions. More recently, we have learned to recognize the many flavors of some mental illnesses and have created treatment and/or pharmaceuticals for such.

    How is this any different? Think people… Would you rather encourage someone who has thoughts of committing a sexual crime on children raise their hand and say “I’ve got a problem – please help me” or remain stigmatized that their life will be over if they even hint of such – and then risk their desires taking over their actions?

    We have the highest rate of incarceration on the planet. It’s not working folks. We need to prevent crime before it happens – it’s far most cost effective and prevents the creation of victims who have to face their unfortunate involvement for life. Again – think people…!

  • whatthewhat

    Technically, she is correct. Pedophilia is not a crime, as it is simply the attraction to the very young. Pederasty, on the other hand, is most certainly a crime…as it should be.

    • Johan

      Well said. It’s good to see at least some people are intelligent enough to comprehend the difference.

  • Johnny Yuma

    Pedophilia is only a disorder…maybe…but when it happens to your kids, you will see this so-called disorder for what it really is and that is a CRIME. That is all!

  • JR

    Childhood crushes aren’t sexual. Preschoolers don’t kiss or run around naked with the intent to have sex. So when a grown adult desires sex with children, it is not them still being childish. It is them desiring to commit an act that would scar a child, no matter how much that adult thinks it is them “loving” the child. Yes, they do need help. A person who is suicidal would be put on watch and limited for their safety. A person feeling a compulsion to harm a child should, for the safety of children, be restricted in their access.
    Pedophilia will never be comparable to homosexuality because a relationship, gay or straight, is to be between consenting adults. Pedophiles desire children who cannot consent. And even if a person is deemed ill, they are still responsible for their actions, and need to be held responsible. If a drunk driver hits a person, they are not released of their responsibility and consequences because of alcoholism. A pedophile, likewise, should face the consequences of hurting, or participating in the hurting, of children.

    I accept many things. But one must not suffer a child abuser to live.

    • neil allen

      The problem is that the Catholic church has taught a billion people that
      pedophilia is a “disability”, and that pedophiles should be hidden and protected.

    • Johan

      You’re partially correct, except that as far as mental abnormalities go, pedophilia is on equal footing with homosexuality.

      Neither mental abnormality is a “crime”, nor should they be considered as such. Acting on them, however, is an entirely different matter.

      The difference (and it’s a MASSIVE difference) is the manner in which people afflicted with either condition act on their impulses.

      Homosexuality between consenting adults is perfectly acceptable, whereas acting on pedophiliac urges is NEVER acceptable under ANY circumstances.

  • MerriAnn McLain

    We survivors of pedophiles disagree.

    • Caleb Hubbell

      What if you had a son who told you that he was a pedophile?

      • MerriAnn McLain

        I would be damned certain he was under supervision and proper care, if I had to commit him.

  • gwardyck

    maybe her children should by mauled by a pedophile…then give him a slap on the wrist and give him a few pills as penance!… I am sure her attitude would change! oh yes, blame her children instead!!!

    • neil allen

      You are clearly a Catholic, using the word “penance”

      “Penance” is the way the Catholic church got away with hiding 100% of their known pedophiles, protecting each one while multiple people knew about each child that was raped, all in brutal defiance of Jesus in Matt 18:6-14.

      She doesn’t want to protect known child rapists, like the Catholic church always did.

  • Gerry Emery

    My ass! So if it is not a crime, why not administer a little aversion therapy? Like maybe a baseball bat or castration? They’ll get the idea and then they will be cured. Problem solved. The beauty of it is that where the judicial system fails, the prisoners prevail. The life expectancy of a pedophile in prison is less than 6 months once the general population becomes aware.

  • Mark 2112

    and once again accountability takes a leap off a cliff…..great news! you’re not accountable for any of your choices! its all your genetics fault! disgusting.

    • neil allen

      Did you read the article? She wants to prevent child rapes, not protect known pedophiles, like the Catholic church did in 100% of it’s cases

      • Mark 2112

        and how does she propose to do that? by side stepping one’s accountability? you keep bringing up the Catholic Church as if that .00000001% of priests are the end all be all in terms of pedophilia. you are agreeing that pedophilia is not a choice, yet condemning the actions of those simply because it was the Church involved….

        • neil allen

          You’re lying, which we expect from Catholics, and let’s pick apart your lies.

          You say that “.00000001% of priests” are pedophiles. Your Pope Francis said it was 2% (and he’s lying). The Catholic church in the US admitted 4% were substantiate, accused child sex offenders in their own John Jay report.

          So you are either lying by 200 million times or 400 million times, so we have a baseline for your honesty.

          And the Catholic church hid 100% of the 4,392 substantiated, accused pedophile priests they admitted in the US in their own report. And they ALL told someone else in “confession”.

          Talk about avoiding accountability, 200 million times over.

          I never said pedophilia was not a choice, so you lied again. However, your Catholic church protected the known, confessed child rapists in 100% of worldwide cases, in brutal defiance of Jesus in Matt 18:6-14.

          • Mark 2112

            nice blanket statement. of course when you spout nonsense I would expect nothing less….look, we get it, you don’t like the Church….and while this behavior is disgusting to paint with a broad brush like you do is just the result of being intellectually lazy. you scream that the Church is wrong yet have no issue with backing the absurd notion that pedophila is not a choice.

          • neil allen

            You’re lying, then avoiding the truth.

            Jesus said “I am the way, the truth”, yet you very cleverly avoided the truth in your response, refusing to admit that you absolutely lied, and by 200-400 million times.

            Then you distract, avoid all of my points, all of which are all true. And I NEVER said pedophilia was not a choice, but feel free to point to where I said that.

          • Mark 2112

            i lied? i’m not the one making a blanket statement. you condemn the Church then use its faith to make a point? you’re a confused person.

          • neil allen

            You lied, by 200-400 million times, about your percentage of pedophile priests. And I use the words of Jesus, not the words of the Catholic church to prove my point. The Catholic church brutally defies Jesus in Matthew 18:6-14 by raping children, protecting and hiding the rapist, and not finding and helping every victim.

            I’m not the least bit confused

  • Joyce Clemons

    How does one know that someone is a pedophile before they commit the criminal offense of sexual imposition (or worse). This applies also to juveniles. Even the youngest kids assigned to therapeutic residential homes for sex offenses have already committed a crime. Yes they get a diagnosis and Medicaid foots the bill. Yes, many of these kids were victims themselves. Born that way? I highly doubt it. Just how do you treat a sex offender before they have been caught in the act?

  • GC

    So pedophilia is the sexual attraction to prepubescent children and is something that you are born with, but it can be treated, while the same bunch says that homosexuality is the sexual attraction to the same gender and is something that you are born with, but it can’t be treated. Anyone else see the inconsistencies?

    • neil allen

      Yes, one is child rape and pedophilia, which is a crime, was considered unforgivable by Jesus, but is protected in 100% of cases by the Catholic church.

      The other is 2 adults doing what they freely choose to do, doing something Jesus never said anything about, but is violently objected to by 400,000 Catholic male priests who have never had sex with a woman.

      Now you’re caught up with the rest of the class.

  • David Daisy May Boldock

    Paedo’s claim to have a gene that makes them do this, pretty much the same as gays state. Not the same gene you understand, but nothing short of a cop out answer. Course it is a sickness and one that needs eradicating, by injection or a rope. She should be the first to swing with lame comments like that given her status. You will never eradicate this problem by pandering to these sicko’s, but merely encourage them to continue in their vile acts!

    • neil allen

      Where do pedos and gays claim to have this gene? Please cite an online source, or admit you just made that up.

      • David Daisy May Boldock

        They do, it is well established, and i knew it was only a matter of time before some imbecile put me to the task, to gain brownie points, when you are too dumb to do your own research. Your either gay yourself or a Yank, or both!!!

        • neil allen

          So you can’t prove an online source, so you start insulting the person that asked. This is a very Catholic trait.

          Just curious – are you part of the Catholic church, where the top Cardinal in the UK was a gay hating closet gay assaulter, and where the church protected 100% of its known, confessed child rapists?

          • David Daisy May Boldock

            Church of England here mate, making me a Protestant. More paedo’s in the Catholic bunch than anywhere else as you seem to be aware. I can prove my case but why should i just to please someone on his soap box trying to make a point. You fired the first salvo of insults but keep going i know plenty of others!

          • David Daisy May Boldock

            I did reply to you but free speech on here is priceless! No doubt you will pick up on the context from that!

          • neil allen

            You replied with insults, not a legitimate source, which is a pretty standard Catholic practice.

          • David Daisy May Boldock

            Church of England moron!

          • Ma Hester

            Neil’s real name is Patrick O’Malley aka 617-PATRICK, a social media ‘expert’ too inept to hide his own troll handle. He defends child pornographers (as long as they hate the catholic church). He says all catholics are liars, will spend an eternity in hell being raped. This includes his own mother. Then he threatens priests with violence. Nice guy.

          • David Daisy May Boldock

            Deserves to be stuck on a cross Ma..I have ample big rusty nails and a nice big lump hammer :-)

          • Ma Hester

            I disagree with any violence towards Patrick O’Malley. Yes, he has repeatedly threatened people with violence. But I don’t wish to be like him: bigoted, hypocritical, cowardly.

          • David Daisy May Boldock

            Each to their own but i am a devotee of an eye for an eye!

          • Ma Hester

            I would hope that if his family, clients, and friends knew about what he says under the troll handle “neil allen”, he might reform.

          • David Daisy May Boldock

            He has friends? Now you do surprise me :-)

          • David Daisy May Boldock

            Church of England here, making me a Protestant not some vile Pope type paedo perv!

          • Ma Hester

            You mean, is she part of the same church that your Dear Old Ma was a part of?

  • John Drews

    Emil Says…….

  • Clangy Clang

    Pedophilia IS a crime always, regardless of the cause or the mental state of the perpetrator. Of course they need to be helped too, but you cannot justify pedophilia with a “mental disorder.”

    • Johan

      No, acting on it is a crime.

  • http://CCFIILE.COM/ Joe Rizoli

    They did this nonsense with homosexuality now this crap.

    • neil allen

      Homosexuality isn’t a crime against humanity and isn’t a crime in the US. Child rape is.

      I’m guessing you’re Catholic, right? Where they tell you to blend to the two, and you follow along. Just like they committed organized child rape for at least 50 year, and told you to keep quiet about it, and you did.

      • Johan

        Do you not understand that “child rape” and “pedophilia” are not the same thing?

        • neil allen

          Yep. Pedophilia is thinking about sex with children, and child rape is what thousands and thousands and thousands and thousands of Catholic priests in the US did, then confessed it to other priests, who let them out to rape more children in 100% of cases, in BRUTAL defiance of Jesus in Matt 18:6.

    • Johan

      Well, you are correct in that as far as mental abnormalities go, pedophilia is on equal footing with homosexuality. But that’s where it ends.

      Neither mental abnormality is a “crime”, nor should they be. Acting on them is an entirely different matter.

      The difference (and it’s a MASSIVE difference) is the manner in which people afflicted with either condition act on their impulses.

      Homosexuality between consenting adults is perfectly acceptable, whereas acting on pedophiliac urges is NEVER acceptable under ANY circumstances.

  • Crandall

    There is a Netflix video called Are alll Men Pedophiles which alludes to this stating that all sexual behavior on a continuum so to speak and that the only reason some practices are not out in the open is because they are illegal. Once again, the professors are trying to normalize everything so that there is no right or wrong. I hope she remembers that the child who can NOT make a decision to say yes is the victim.

  • kezza

    So this is an illness…as we all understand anyway.Just have a look at a world wide pin board on the net that shows us how many known paedophiles there are in America and Australia,and its growing all the time…..its more than alarming! in numbers.And since there’s a sympathetic mood to this article…l then suggest a solution to this problem. That ALL mothers/parents of children be armed with a gun!!
    Like magpies and savage mothers in nature that will instinctively protect their young too.l suggest we are allowed to shoot anyone touching our children. That should be cheaper for society to clean up a whole bunch of baby fiddlers shouldnt it?!

  • kezza

    The only ones emailing her are probably PAEDO”S!! you silly woman

  • Roseanna Herzer

    Those of u defending this ”abomination” NEED to google ”How to exit the matrix.” Enter sexual energy-in seacrh box. Read the article! U will FIND-just HOW deep this goes! Sick way to STEAL nrg,that is used to further enslave us ALL(except the ELites oc, the gov, cath priests ANYBODY of power HAS to ”participate”).

  • Oana Paun

    dear Margo Kaplan you are completly insane …it may be a disorder BUT IS
    STILL A CRIME …what is wrong with you people ????

    • Johan

      So, every single dangerous thought a person ever has should be considered a crime in your opinion, even if they are never ever compelled to act on those thoughts?

  • Melissa

    This is a very sensitive subject for me but I feel that if someone is having these kinds of thoughts about doing any kind of harm to a child sexually then they should be able to get the help they need to combat these feelings and change their way of thinking to a more rational normal correct way of thinking, before they commit the offense. If counseling, cognitive behavioral therapy is what these people need to prevent them from acting out and hurting a child then there should be studies done, therapy should be given.aftee all it is our job to make sure our children aren’t harmed. We always want to study the offender and make them go to therapy AFTER they have hurt and scarred a child for life, now that child will grow up with anxiety and PTSD, depression, and may even become suicidal or worse hurt another child because it was done onto them. Shooting people is not the answer. We should stop it right away, and whatever measures that need to be taken should be taken. We have numbers for people to call if they are thinking of suicide to try and prevent it, why not try and prevent sexual abuse, rape, and other forms of violence before it starts? Why do we have to wait for someone to commit the crime and then try and help them in overcrowded prison, where tax payers have to support them? Let’s stop it before it starts! I think this was the point she was trying to make in her article. And I agree with her, now yes of course if they commit the crime they have to do the time obviously but even when they do commit the crime they still receive therapy and mental help including medications and other forms of help in prison so why not before it starts? The people on here that are saying lets just shoot people just shows they have no brains and I thank God they aren’t in any real positions of power in government! Well at least I hope not. We tackle all sorts of issues everyday when it comes to addiction and mental health issues and this falls into the category of both. Why not make a place where people can get help. Us sitting around doing nothing isn’t working either!!!!

  • Bellerieve

    Lady, you are positively nuts !! Is nothing sacred in this world anymore, it is disgusting !

    • Richard R

      Did you read the article?

  • kim

    I agree totally and well done her for speaking out

  • Johan

    As far as mental abnormalities go, pedophilia is on equal footing with homosexuality.

    Neither mental abnormality is a “crime”, nor should they be considered as such. Acting on them, however, is an entirely different matter.

    The difference (and it’s a MASSIVE difference) is the manner in which people afflicted with either condition act on their impulses.

    Homosexuality between consenting adults is perfectly acceptable, whereas acting on pedophiliac urges is NEVER acceptable under ANY circumstances.

    • neil allen

      Homosexuality is not a mental abnormality in the US. Clearly, you are a Catholic, claiming there is something wrong with homosexuality, even though Jesus never, EVER said anything about it.
      Of course, as a Catholic, you follow the largest, organized Pedophile Protection Program in US history, by far, run by 100,000 priests who never had sex with a woman.
      “Acting on pedophiliac urges” was protected and hidden in 100% of cases where Catholic priests raped children and confessed it to other Catholic priests, in brutal defiance of Jesus in Matt 18:6 so the Catholic church thinks its 100% acceptable in 100% of cases.

      You should cut down on your hypocrisy and your lying, even if your church tells encourages you to do it.

      • Johan

        Nope, you are wrong.

        Homosexuality IS “a mental abnormality in the US” and everywhere else in the world, but due to people’s irrational fear of being seen to be politically incorrect, they’re simply no longer allowed to refer to it as such just incase someone’s delicate feelings are hurt.

        Oh, and I’m NOT a Catholic, I’m agnostic. So YOU should cut down on YOUR ignorance, prejudice and bigotry.

        • Richard R

          Actually, you’re not correct. Sexual variations happen all through nature including with us. There is no official agency in the states that says homosexuality is abnormal. Can you site any place that does?

          • Nick25

            Homosexuality is a depraved perversion- it’s a sickness, it’s off the charts unnatural- same as this pedophile garbage that is on the same tract to not only become legalized, but also embraced and accepted. This if friggin’ nuts.

          • Richard R

            Where do you see anyone that wants to legalize having sex with children? An your statement about homosexuality is contradicted by all major psychological agencies that aren’t religious. Look it and inform yourself. You can belief your statement to be true but a belief is not a fact or science.

          • Johan

            No, sexual ABNORMALITIES happen “all through nature including with us”. Know what else happens “all through nature including with us”? Rape, incest, infanticide, just to name a few. Are these also all perfectly normal in your opinion, simply because they occur “all through nature”?! Seriously, wake up.

          • Richard R

            Those are of course normal. But normal doesn’t excuse anything. Some animals eat their babies and it’s normal but do you think it’s ok to eat your babies? NO. So something being normal doesn’t make it necessarily right. It simply means that it occurs naturally. Nothing less, nothing more, unless you think there’s some guy with little horns making this happen in which case it’s simply ridiculous. Please do wake up. Normal doesn’t always mean good or bad. It simply means that it happens through a natural process. There are many things that are normal that aren’t good and vice versa.

          • Johan

            Know what else “occurs naturally”? Yep, that’s right, pedophilia – just like homosexuality “occurs naturally”.

            As I previously said, the truth is that homosexuality IS “a mental abnormality”, but due to people’s irrational fear of being seen to be politically incorrect, they’re simply no longer allowed to refer to it as such just incase someone’s delicate feelings are hurt.

          • Richard R

            So you’re saying that a small % of an oppressed community has been able to infiltrate most scientific groups and most social environments? If that’s the case I would be more concerned for how weak the general population is. We’ve been able to stand up to Hitler, terrorist and various wars but we’re completely defenseless against an unarmed group of people who’s symbol is a rainbow. That sounds fair and logical.

          • Johan

            Duh. Way to completely miss the point.

          • Johan

            You pathetic, deluded fool.

            Have you REALLY never heard of political correctness?!?!?!?! And while we’re at it, are you completely illiterate?!?!?!

            READ what I wrote above.

            Once again for the REALLY s l o w — the ONLY reason homosexuality is rarely referred to as “a mental abnormality” these days is due to people’s irrational fear of being seen to be politically incorrect.

            OF COURSE petty, spineless political correctness has been “able to infiltrate most scientific groups and most social environments”! It’s the most insidious ‘infiltration’ of modern society EVER, and will lead to our eventual downfall unless people like YOU actually wake up!

            Duh.

          • Johan

            >facepalm<

          • Johan

            If you were even half as smart as you delusionally think you are, you would realise that’s NOT what I was saying at all. Duh.

          • Richard R

            What are you saying?

          • Johan

            If you were even half as smart as you delusionally think you are, you’d already know what I was saying.

          • Johan

            YOU are the one who needs to wake up, because YOU are the one who refuses to accept that homosexuality falls into the same “mental abnormality” category as pedophilia – because both are contrary to our biological makeup. MANY mental abnormalities occur naturally, but they’re STILL mental abnormalities. I never said anything about “good or bad” – that’s YOU arguing against YOURSELF!

          • Richard R

            How can something that happens naturally all through nature be against our biology? Only because you don’t understand how nature works and why it does things doesn’t mean anything outside of your incomplete perception. Nature doesn’t have to follow rules. There might be some basic structures but nature can navigate through whatever path it finds.

  • http://www.amazon.com/Gregory-Kay/e/B0037LL4VS/ref=sr_ntt_srch_lnk_1?qid=1354807628&sr=8-1 Greg Kay

    You know, compulsive theft, being prone to violent rages, and even compulsions to rape are also disorders…and when you act on those urges, they are crimes and should be treated as such. Just because someone WANTS to do something, it doesn’t follow that he or she HAS to follow through with it. Functional societies require self-control, and those without it must be removed from it. Pedophilia is one of those things that must be controlled. I strongly suspect that, if instead of a raper of children, the disorder in question was a raper of grown women, Ms. Kaplan would quickly be singing a different tune.

    • Anvil Boeckmann

      I agree.Crimes should be treated as crimes. I however think the what she is trying to bring up is that being attracted to kids as a adult is not good (which it isn’t ofc) and that people should consider figuring out ways to stop that attraction. I think the major tripping point is that many people think pedophilia instantly means child abuse. Which it doesn’t necessarily. However I doubt the efficacy of such measure simply because the same thing was tried with gay sexuality being treated as a mental disorder years back and it was found to be rather hard to change sexual orientation.

  • Greg Prewitt

    Bag of hammers dumb.

  • Christopher Bowen

    Please remember, this woman is a lawyer. She wants to litigate. She is NOT someone who can legislate morality to others. People are held responsible for making responsible choices. Pedophilia is a tragically evil choice that should be eradicated at an early age.

    • Richard R

      Outside of some flaws in your statement what she is saying is exactly that.

  • Rollin Shultz

    Kaplan’s dedfinition: “A person with an intense and recurrent sexual attraction to prepubescent children, children who have not yet entered any form of puberty.

    My definition: “A person, who has not developed normal sexual relationships for fear of rejection by their peers. They focus on children who are not able to understand their motives for sexual satisfaction, because it is easier than having to deal with the true give and take of adult relationships and the exposure to vulnerability that honest relationships require.”

    She says Potato, and I say…well I say she is crazy. Every so called behavioral disorder is subject to our free will and not some product of our flesh. We are mostly products of practice and education. We learn from others, school, books, TV etc. We engage in ethical or non ethical practices based on our acceptance of our educational proclivities. The further we stray from normal practices the more we are in danger of developing unethical behaviors. In effect one loses their moral compass, through acceptance of bad teachings or lack of good teachings. Once our morality is lost, we begin to walk down a dangerous path of immorality and the behaviors that go with it.

  • Cara

    Your article should be called something else. Call it, “The importance of helping pedophiles of all ages before they commit crimes.” But to say it’s not a crime? Criminal.

    • Johan

      What she means is that having evil thoughts is not a crime, but acting on them is.

    • AGuestWhoCanRead

      Reading the article and comprehending it before commenting would help in this case. ^

    • Richard R

      I agree with you but that might be more about the newspaper trying to create controversy than doing the right thing.

  • Michael Nardacci

    Yup–this will be the new ‘civil right” and watch these bastards try to tell us that young kids have a “right” to choose to have sex with an adult. This idiot law professor will undoubtedly be among the leaders of the “movement.” Can this country get any sicker?

    • AGuestWhoCanRead

      Obviously didn’t read the article or has a very low reading comprehension level. ^

      • Michael Nardacci

        Listen, you jerk. This woman’s comments and the article contain all the usual left-wing buzz words–now we are all supposed to feel sympathy for these beasts and stop “demonizing” them. The next step will be “tolerance” and then “acceptance” and then “promotion.” The leftwing crazies have pulled this crap before and this is an opening shot in the next “civil rights” campaign. Contrary to your stupid assertion that I have a “low reading comprehension,” I have seen enough of these psychobabble statements in the past to know just where this is going.

        • Richard R

          You do have low reading comprehension.

  • Stephanie

    I just don’t get what’s so wrong with what she is saying. She still wants to hold pedophiliacs responsible for their behavior meaning that if they actually comit a crime they still go to jail and are punished to the full extent of the law. She wants something in place to try and help people who may feel the attraction to children to stop them from actually committing the crime. Which in my opinion could be great because if they can be watched so this could cut back on the actual crime!!

    • Richard R

      YAY! I don’t understand why only some people get that. Thank you!

  • Rionol

    Is this woman for real? Margo Kaplan says “MIGHT” – I wonder if her little friends in “high wealthy places” are paying her well to “assume” that it’s an illness…..DAMN EXCUSE!!!! My friend was not wrong when she read this and said “Starting to become more and more acceptable. …just so the elite of this world can continue with their heinous games…there will be a pill soon” #disgusting May the ELITE die and rot in hell.

    • AGuestWhoCanRead

      Reading comprehension is weak in this one ^

  • Larry R. Herron

    What a crock!!! But what do you expect from the left? No one is responsible for anything that they do! It’s their parents fault, it’s society fault, etc., etc., etc.

    • AGuestWhoCanRead

      Obviously doesn’t have the ability to read and comprehend what one is reading. ^

  • https://www.facebook.com/veronica.hamel.5 Veronica Hamel

    The crux of the article.

    “Do you have attraction to children in
    ways that you shouldn’t? You are not responsible for your attraction,
    but you are responsible for your behavior.”
    This seems like an impossible situation for afflicted children. Very sad!

    • Richard R

      She’s also saying there should be more research and ways to help these people.

  • Original_Miles

    Why don’t we try passing a law that allows legal killing of pedophiles?

    • Richard R

      So you’re saying it would be ok if we killed a 15 year old if he slept with a 13 year old? It would be fine to kill a 12 year old if they touched a 5 year old?

      • Original_Miles

        Anyone who touches a child in a sexual manner deserves death, yes.

        • Richard R

          You might want to move to Iran. That place is probably closer to your liking.

  • RFlanary

    No surprise here. After the deviance of homosexuality was mainstreamed, this would be the next logical step for the “anything goes” left.

  • Ewenice

    I’m sure the positive comments came from pedophiles. This is some of the worst sewer claptrap I have ever heard! Shame on this woman for giving this evil an excuse to carry out their sick fantasies that cater to demonic, lustful cravings. Next, she’ll be making excuses for serial killers. All her research & education has made her a devil’s advocate. The Bible says in the last days, evil will be called good & good will be called evil. She is just fulfilling prophecy. We need to pray for her.

    • neil allen

      You sound Catholic, and of course, the Catholic church is the largest organized pedophile protection program in the history of the US.

      In the book of Revelation, Ch 14-18, it talks about Babylon, which many believe to be the Catholic church, with it’s filthy riches and disgusting sexual habit, and the 144,000 children who could be the victims of Catholic childrape.

    • Ma Hester

      This guy’s real name is Patrick O’Malley aka 617-PATRICK, a social media ‘expert’ too inept to hide his own troll handle. He defends child pornographers (as long as they hate the catholic church). He says all catholics are liars, will spend an eternity in hell being raped. This includes his own mother. Then he threatens priests with violence. Nice guy.

      • neil allen

        Multiple lies. PROVE any one of them with actual URLs.
        PROVE any of that with valid URLs.

        “Ma Hester” is a fake account mocking Patrick’s dead mother, used by a pedophile loving supporter of the Catholic Church Of Organized Child Rape.

        It may be the account of Fr Ruben Martinez, one of tens of thousands of protected Catholic pedo-priests. He ADMITTED raping over 100 children, including his 5 year old brother. Of course, he waited until the statute of limitations expired, so he never went to jail, and is free, in someone’s neighborhood.

        Google him to learn about the Catholic church.

        Of course the Catholic church never mentioned him when they created their John Jay report admitting 4,392 substantiated, accused child sex offenders.

        But you keep hiding the truth, like your Catholic church did 100% of the time that Fr Rueben Martinzed confessed his child rapes, and they loet him free to rape some more, in BRUTAL defiance of Jesus in Matt 18:6.

    • Richard R

      Please don’t use the bible as a source. The bible was written by a bunch of mystics with all sorts of problems. Pretty sure a couple of them had wives that were under age. Actually, by every account your god sort of molested Mary since she was so young and he had lived for all eternity.

  • Melissa Stillwell

    This is a very touchy subject, but I agree, that if someone has an urge to be with a child in a sexual way and they are adults, then there should be a place where they can get the help, medication and education on why their way of thinking is wrong. Too many times a child is sexually abused and then the abuser is arrested and then give. Therapy, medication, and educated to think the correct way and made to understand why it’s wrong. Why does a child have to be abused first before the offender receives help? Wouldn’t it be better if they got help and didn’t abuse a child and turn that child’s world upside down!? I know I know I’m going to get a lot of backlash for this but let’s face it people are not born in a perfect world where we don’t make mistakes. And no I’m not a pedophile I’m a victim! I was sexually abused from the time I was 5 years old until I was 15, when I had the courage to speak out! MAYBE had their been a place for this person to get help maybe I wouldn’t be living with the emotional turmoil I am living with today. So yea I support it. If it stops even one child from becoming a victim then yes help these people who have the urge to molest a child before they actually commit the crime!!!!!

  • ttravers17

    Ok so the offer here is to get pedophiles psychological help to prevent them from acting on their impulses right? Because the thought here is that pedophiles are born or molded at a young age to be sexually attracted to young children, and that they are in no control over these urges.

    Now here’s the thing. What sort of help do you offer to a person who is sexually attracted to someone who he is not allowed to have sex with? It would be as if a gay man came to you, a psychologist, and you just tried to coax him to stop being gay and stop wanting to have sex with other men. Do you see where this sort of thing becomes absurd? There isn’t really a true course of action here, unless you believe that people’s sexual orientations can be cured.

    Although I think it’s noble to have some sort of compassion and recognize that it is not a conscious choice that they’re making, I also don’t see how things can really be altered. All you’re going to get is a psychologist telling you why your desires are wrong and how you shouldn’t act on them, something which, i’m guessing, most people already know.

    • http://facebook.com/AnnInquirer Ann Inquirer

      We are also told, gays can’t help their attraction, and it is OK for them to act upon it. Slippery slope.

      • Richard R

        You’re assuming being gay is harmful but that isn’t correct. Gays deal with consenting adults not children. Your religion might tell you it’s wrong but religions are as right and as scientific as a piece of rock.

        • http://facebook.com/AnnInquirer Ann Inquirer

          I made no assumption at all. I said, “we are told this,” especially by the media and gay groups themselves.
          BTW rocks are pretty solid and lots of scientific study has been put into lithology.

          • Richard R

            LOL, you got me :)

    • Blubbedey

      You could at least help them cope with their emotions and work out how to live a worthwhile life without letting their attraction control their lives and, of course, without ever acting on them.

  • moot

    I think it is time that society rethinks it’s stance on sexuality as a whole.

    If you look at history, you will find that a lot of people who used to be prosecuted and judged for their sexuality are now an accepted part of it. Just remember not long ago gays and lesbians were declared as mentally ill and suffered greatly. In terms of biology it is natural to be attracted to young girls, since they have the healthiest ovary tract and are the most fertile.

    Also please take a look at today’s youth. By the age of 14, most girls are experienced with sex and confident about their bodies. It is scientifically proven that children get sexually mature earlier with each generation. A lot of girls have developed female features by the age of 13 and are sexually active, while the age of consent is still unrealistically high in many countries.

    Now the question remains: If a young girl masters the responsibilities of her education, family life, work and social relationships, then how can you decide that she is not able to make the decision on who to have sex with or not?

  • http://facebook.com/AnnInquirer Ann Inquirer

    You want to “learn more,” and not be “repulsed more?” This reminds me that it is OK’d by a multitude of imams that in their male supremacist ideology it is OK to have Sex with Infants because their pedophilic “perfect man” “married” a little girl at 6 and thighed her until she was 9 when old enough to penetrate. (After all their book also says women are chattel and worth half a man.) All an excuse for pedophilia. What respectable person does not think this is vile? Count me as believing the acts of pedophilia to be a Crime Against Humanity.

    • neil allen

      or the Catholic church, which ran the largest organized pedophile protection program in the history of the US, allowing 100% of confessed child rapists to go free, and admitting 4,392 substantiated, accused pedophiles in their own John Jay report.

      • http://facebook.com/AnnInquirer Ann Inquirer

        At least the Catholics feel guilty about it. The above male supremacism (it’s no religon) does not and openly advocate for these vile acts.

        • neil allen

          Feel guilty? That’s funny. Catholics haven’t done a damn thing about it.

          But please tell me what the Catholic church has done to find and help the victims, as Jesus said in Matt 8:10-14, after saying in Matt 18:6 that child rape was unforgivable.

        • Ma Hester

          Real name is Patrick O’Malley aka 617-PATRICK, a social media ‘expert’ too inept to hide his own troll handle. He defends child pornographers (as long as they hate the catholic church). He says all catholics are liars, will spend an eternity in hell being raped. This includes his own mother. Then he threatens priests with violence. Nice guy.

          • neil allen

            PROVE any of that with valid URLs.

            “Ma Hester” is a fake account mocking Patrick’s dead mother, used by a pedophile loving supporter of the Catholic Church Of Organized Child Rape.

            It may be the account of Fr Ruben Martinez, one of tens of thousands of protected Catholic pedo-priests. He ADMITTED raping over 100 children, including his 5 year old brother. Of course, he waited until the statute of limitations expired, so he never went to jail, and is free, in someone’s neighborhood.

            Google him to learn about the Catholic church.

            Of course the Catholic church never mentioned him when they created their John Jay report admitting 4,392 substantiated, accused child sex offenders.

            I never defended any child rapist. What I probably said was that someone touching someone’s peepee is not as bad as a priest like Fr Rueben Martinez ADMITTING to RAPING over 100 childer, including his 5 year old brother.

            But you keep hiding the truth, like your Catholic church did 100% of the time that Fr Rueben Martinzed confessed his child rapes, and they loet him free to rape some more, in BRUTAL defiance of Jesus in Matt 18:6.

          • DivineWordRadio

            Have you noticed that you refer to yourself in the third person–“Patrick’s dead mother?” If you weren’t Patrick, you really wouldn’t be concerned.

            You then call Ma Hester, a “pedophile loving supporter” and the Catholic Church an organization that is “Organized Child Rape.” I guess given that Christians are called to love their enemies, if Ma Hester is a Christian, Ma would love pedophiles, and even malicious anti-Catholics such as you.

            Ruben Martinez was clearly a slug, as was Cardinal Mahoney, who kept Los Angeles wrongdoing secret and paid large settlements as hush money for years.

            You keep hiding the truth about who you are. And you repeat, over and over, a lie about what Matthew 18:6 says.

        • neil allen

          Feeling guilty doesn’t help.

  • bobby

    Is this for real? Wtf

    • Richard R

      Did you read the article or the headline?

  • http://www.oncefallen.com/ oncefallendotcom

    Why is it so difficult for people to understand that the terms “pedophile” and “s*x offender” are not mutually exclusive? And not ever s*x offender toughed a child, either.

  • Lecram Hernández

    I don’t understand, being attracted to children is a disease but being attracted to the same sex isn’t?, it’s weird and confusing because I agree with both, can someone help me with this? what are the differences?

    • http://facebook.com/AnnInquirer Ann Inquirer

      The legality of it is that a minor child cannot give consent. An adult of majority age can.

    • http://www.oncefallen.com/ oncefallendotcom

      The psychology field is subject to popular opinion at times. It wasn’t that long ago homosexuality was considered a mental disorder in the first DSM. But gay rights activists pressure the psychology community to remove it from later DSMs.

      • Lecram Hernández

        so it’s not really about science, it’s just about what’s accepted by society, being gay is accepted therefore it’s not a disease, pedophilia isn’t therefore it’s a disease. very hypocritical if you ask me, but what is right? both can’t be.

      • Richard R

        This person is assuming that science is going backwards instead of forward. By this person’s logic all science and information in the past is way better than anything we have now. This person is also saying that a small marginalized group of people forced a massive amount of psychologist here and around the world to change their minds. Does that sound logical to you?

    • Richard R

      There is no difference. The idea and the science here here is that sexuality is very complicated. All of these sexual behaviors are variations in human sexuality. They only become harmful when consent is ignored or when it causes harm. Pedophilia is harmful because it has the potential to hurt a child and it’s ultimately destructive to the person that has it since a child cannot ever consent and all children should be protected. An adult and a child cannot have a healthy relationship within a romantic context whatsoever. See the difference? Gays marry adults and have relationships with adults, not children.

      • Lecram Hernández

        that’s not my question, my question is what are the differences that make pedophilia a disease and the differences that make homosexuality or any other kind of sexuality not a disease.

        • Richard R

          The difference is classified based on the danger or harm it causes the person with the behavior. For instance, people drink alcohol but that’s not a problem. If someone drinks alcohol and it starts to affect their life in a negative way as well as others it becomes a problem and can turn into a disease. Does that answer your question? Variations in sexuality are all natural but when your sexuality can cause harms to others or yourself it is a problem.

  • Steve Lloyd

    Disorder or not. Attempt to molest my kid’s and I’ll cut your throat and do the time.

    • neil allen

      Amen

  • Gloria Peters

    30 years ago a pedophile took, raped and killed my high school friend’s 8 year old daughter. He hit her bike as an excuse to have her get into his car. How is abduction, rape and murder not crimes? I’ll be forwarding this article to my friend and see how she and her support through these years write. You have not seen nothing yet. http://loveneverforgets.com/tag/remember-vicki-lynne/

    • Matthew Raymond Boger

      Kaplan says the sexual desires of a pedophile is not a crime, but a mental disorder. When the molest a child is when a crime is committed. A pedophile who has never molested a kid is not a criminal.

    • Richard R

      Again, why isn’t anyone actually reading the article. She never said hurting a child wasn’t a crime. PLEASE READ. She’s trying to help pedophile so they don’t hurt children. Did you not read that part?

  • Sandy

    So, following through with your theory that “People choose to sex offend children. They do not choose to be pedophiles,” then murderers choose to kill but they don’t choose to be murderers. With that train of thought, all criminals are “victims”. That is hogwash. If it is possible to stop all types of crimes, fantastic but I don’t believe it’s true of any of them.

    • Richard R

      Your understanding of human nature needs revision. People don’t live in bubbles where they aren’t affected by internal and external factors. Most humans outside of first sexual traits don’t just all of sudden decide to behave a certain way.

  • Ivan

    Paedophilia tomorrow, bestiality next month, necrophilia next year. A progressive world free of hate and bigotry!

  • JoAnn Kerschner

    Greetings, I am a victim of childhood sexual abuse, I left by corporate America job a a Director of Nursing after disclosing this so I could devote my life to this, started my own non-profit, Shattered Canvas Inc.
    Do I believe the silent conversation, invisible wounds, the stigma keeps persons from getting help….absolutely. Your article should have clearly highlighted what it is like to be a victim/survivor.
    Most persons who get their stories published leave out all sides, and are not victims, perpetrators, or pedophiles. Childhood sexual abuse is an atrocity in our society of major proportions, but yet not on the forefront of the paper, media, television, etc. Why?
    I was a role model employee, director, and nurse but had to hide behind my disclosure, I was suicidal, self harmed, major depressive disorder, PTSD, flashbacks, nightmares, fought insurance for continued counseling, and yes I could go on. No one wants to hear or receive education, it is the cure, as well as telling the therapist and client story together with real names and faces. I have heard from over 100 survivors in the past few months from all over the world, they all want help!
    I still get counseling 4 hours a week, it is a lifelong issue, you don’t get over the abuse and all of the mitigating health, social, emotional, physiological effects. I have shared my whole story with every and anyone, it is important, I want my therapist to stand up and tell his side of counseling me.
    I would be delighted to talk to media, tv, speak, have my voice, the real voice and face of mental health and child sex abuse heard and seen, but it has been my experience thus far unless you are famous, have clout in the world; no one wants to hear or showcase me, a willing person to put everything out in the public eye, my face, a real one with a real name, real life on every billboard. I challenge the world to hear me. Thank goodness for trained counselors with compassion and understanding….and art therapy. Yes the cycle continues!
    JoAnn Kerschner
    Executive Director
    Shatteredcanvas.org

  • gregz

    Margo; Would you have pedophiles baby sit your children? Or aren’t you comfortable with that? Probably OK with you that others should, right?

    • Richard R

      Where does she suggest this? Please tell me where she suggest pedophiles should babysit anyone?

      • gregz

        It’s your party’s way, Richard. I’m OK, you’re OK, Do as I say, believe what I say. Never use the common sense that you may possess. Can’t you read into what liberals want you to believe? What they want to change once the populace is sucked in? Are you new to this world Richard?

        • Richard R

          So you’re literally saying nothing but simply making assumptions about everything and everyone. Sounds like solid logic.

          • gregz

            I am talking your language Richard!! How do you like it???? Liberal bullshit that I have learned from your unfortunate party.

          • Richard R

            So nothing again…perfect example of republicans and conservatives. You say everything but nothing. Listen, I need to go start a couple of wars, maybe shut down the government. I’ll see you later.

          • gregz

            Same old, same old, right Richard? Propaganda to the hilt. Let’s see! WWII=Democrats, Korean War=Democrats, Viet Nam War=Democrats, Osama Bin Laden, Terrorist, offered to the Democrats before 9/11/2001, refused by=Democrats Ku Klux Klan=Democrats, Against Negro rights and for slavery=Democrats, Protectors of the “peaceful” Islamic Cult of ISIS today=Democrats. I know this is hard for you to comprehend Richard, but facts are facts. Government shut down= tours of the White House, Federal Parks, Memorials for the Veterans! Proposed by? Get the picture? Got your free stuff??

          • Richard R

            I wasn’t around 100 years or even 60 years. We’re talking now and now your party does nothing but get in the way and start wars or try to convert everyone to Christianity. I don’t know of any remotely smart person that agrees with republican policies which isn’t to say there aren’t any as much as all the crazies have taken over making decisions for the party. Did your party not start two wars? Did your party not shut down the government? Does your party not try to deny gays rights? Was your party not in charge when 9/11 happened? Where there weapons off mass destruction in IRAQ? Did invading Iraq not destabilize the middle east? Is your party not obsessed with women and their bodies?

          • gregz

            Thank you for your response Richard. I am beginning to understand your mindset liberal brainwashing. You ignore facts when given it to you. You do not possess, or express facts in your responses. You do not know, or care to know American history.
            Let’s start with starting wars by the Republican party after 9/11/2001. This tragedy occurred because the Democrat President was too busy with his 18 year old page, and the groping, and raping of other women. Because you didn’t understand in my last response to you, his name is Bill Clinton. During his sex exploitation of women during his administration, when finally exposed by said women, air strikes were prominent to our Middle East enemies. I believe it was his strike in Libia when one of our helicopters was shot down and the bodies of our American Airmen was dragged through their streets and HUNG from a bridge, and all the muslims cheering. Are you old enough to remember that? This President was cheered by your kind along with the liberal media who said it was “Just a B.J.” His defense during the hearings was something like, “is is an is? or is is something else? He won because of your “remotely smart people that you know”
            Your two wars “started by the Republicans”. Your hero Hussain of Iraq threatened all of the middle east with war with his WOMD. It seems that the weak United Nations took this seriously and voted unanimously to invade. The U.N. then took control of their surrender terms. Months and months went by during their “talks” of surrender. Richard, do you think that that was enough time to rid your country of WOMD?
            Destabilize the Middle East? When the heck was it stable?? It was as stable as it ever could be after Bush left it the hands of the great pretender and divider. The race divider pulled out and left his chosen cult to divide and conquer! This they have done with the blessing of you, and your low information free loading wimps!
            As for your reference to the Republicans obsessed with women bodies and such. It seems that when a great candidate, black especially, appears on the Republican scene, White Democrat women remember being touched by them. Just the white woman’s claim, no facts, no evidence. The Republican is guilty!!!
            Must be nice to be stupid!!!

          • Richard R

            Free loading? you do know the red states use more social services than anyone else correct? Red states also tend to be the most stupid, least educated, most republican and most religious. That you can simply look up. Please do remain in your blissful ignorance, it keeps you young and healthy.

          • gregz

            Little Young Richard; I am so glad that you responded to me. I had more explanations to you for your last accusations of that evil Republican party. I really understand the pressure that you are under when confronted with facts. The inability of your party to acknowledge facts and truth are understood by inhabitants of “Red States”. The only subject that you responded to me when I suggested that you, and yours, are Free Loaders. Have you checked on NY and California? Surely these two big states are loaded with free loaders and certainly non religious. Check out the socialists that they elect.
            You must be referring to the Mid-West and Southern States. They certainly can be a pain, loving and believing in God, The Creator of this Universe. I also believe that they believe in God’s teaching of love and forgiveness. Isn’t Christianity terrible? Unlike the Islamic Cult that believes in the false prophet mohammed. Mohammed who murdered, raped children, stoned women for no reason than his own, taught hatred and killings to Any religion than his own. Especially the Jewish and Christians. His teachings also include beheading of Gays.Homosexuals! Quite a prophet! Your Cult??? Oh, by the way, be specific, what are the gay rights that is being denied to you?

          • Richard R

            Or course Christianity is terrible. The difference between fundamentalist Christians and Muslims doesn’t really exist. Wait, so you’re saying your god didn’t kill all of humanity during the floods? Did your god not kill the first born of many people mostly for revenge? Dead is dead right? You can drown or cut someone’s head but the result is the same. So are those red states in the south not the least educated, most poor and most religious? Will you answer that or not?

          • Richard R

            You know, at some point this gets tiring and I’m not sure it serves any purpose to keep jabbing at each other. First, The reality is that any religion can be used as a weapon. Muslims, Christians, Hindus, all of it can be dangerous in the wrong hands and the wrong minds.

            Not all republicans are this way or that way. The same goes for Democrats. Most Muslims as well as most Christians seem perfectly happy and fine. Otherwise we’d see 1 billion people and many more countries at war with each other and that’s not the case. I don’t really care what anyone is as long as it’s understood that I pay into the same federal and state taxes as everyone else. So no religion in government. Religion belongs at home, churches and private schools.

            Research is important because we learn from it. That is all any of this is about. None of this is about allowing people to turn into criminals. None of this is about finding ways to create more victims. Even if I was a crazy manic liberal why would I even remotely consider the idea of children being hurt in any way? What does it serve the whole of society to hurt children? I get upset about silly TV shows where little girls dress like adults and don’t understand why some parents buy their girls little shorts with the word juicy on them.

            It might be satisfying to sit here and talk about how one group sucks more than the other but what does that do? I could find a million ways to bash Christianity and republicans and you could do the same thing but outside of some dark happiness what purpose does that serve?

            The reality is that there’s more truth in the middle than not. I’m not interested in extremes and that includes myself and my behavior. So Christians should be respected as well as the many other religions out there since for the most part they are peaceful. The extreme small group of people always seem to be the loudest and I’d rather deal with information and facts. Peace and learning is only possible if we’re all willing to listen to each other.

  • Chris G

    I’m sure the authorities would be interested in who sent her emails of “support” for this position considering there is a 99.99% chance that they are all pedophiles.

    • Richard R

      I honestly feel bad for you and your view of the world.

  • William Dean Ziemer

    Someone standing near, slap that woman in the face! It will be an act of love; to save her and the rest of us.

    • Richard R

      Is that how you feel towards women? Is violence prevalent in your life? Is violence how you react towards conflict and discussion? I think you might need help.

      • William Dean Ziemer

        It’s actually called love and has nothing to do with her being a woman. When someone (male or female, young or old) has slipped over the edge and gone into hysteria, a sharp slap to the face or a splash of cold water can bring them back to reality.

        This woman is in the la la land of the arrogant psychobabblers. If slapping her in the face seems so monstrous, then opt for the water, but somebody help her quick before her insanity takes on a contagious nature and people start believing her and repeating her lunacy.

        • Richard R

          Did you read the article?

  • Sput Nick

    That is the RU cult for you.

  • Joseph Bonadio

    Professor care to debate me on this subject on national TV? You will loose, I’m a corrections officer who has worked with these freaks for 19 yrs, I know them better then the therapist that treat them…..Therapy doesn’t work !!! Yes they are criminals, raping a child or a adult is a crime…..You need help professor, you maybe book smart, but really your stupid

    • Richard R

      Your personal example of this isn’t research and by the time you deal with these people it’s a whole different scenario. You could debate her but I’m afraid you would lose.

      • Joseph Bonadio

        Richard these professors and doctors can have all the bullshit data in front of them, and they will loose. They have papers that they look over, they may speak to these freaks who in turn will tell them what they want to hear, it’s all bullshit. I deal with these freaks 40 plus hours per week for the last 19 yrs, I see their true colors, and I also see how they bullshit the therapist till no end. These so-called college educated people really think they aren’t being lied too, but they are, they also think therapy works, which i doesn’t. These professors and doctors will change their liberal mindset if God Forbid it was them being raped or their child. Hell I even seen female doctors have affairs with these freaks, who is the freak now?!

        • Richard R

          Like I said, the idea behind this is that people don’t end turning into psychos. You think a human is born with all the biases and all of the habits and brain power to be able to manipulate everyone from the beginning? I have a hard time believing that since we don’t have a system of 5, 8, 10 year olds in jail for committing horrible crimes. You get the end result of people who have mental problems that have dealt with very a very hard life. Outside of mental issues you’re not going to find an everyday person with a stable life in your institution.

  • Lani

    Lady……are you insane?

  • daddyody

    In case you’re totally ignorant of the movement – the goal is (at this point) to lower the age of legal consent to 14… and then 12… and then…

    Language such as “disorder” is just the first step… get the public to see it as a disease and there is sympathy for it’s “sufferers”

    40 years ago no one ever would have guessed we’d have gay marriage… remember this article in 20 or 30 years when 12 year olds are fair prey…

    • Richard R

      Where do you see that she or anyone on here is asking to lower the age of consent? Btw, it wasn’t until recently that we raise the age of consent and as far as I know no one outside of the lower and most religious states have lower age of consent. Also, have you seen any gay asking to marry a 12 year old? Most adults marrying 12 years old are straight religious people all over the world.

      • daddyody

        Look up NAMBLA (and while you’re at it – see what causes they fund, and look up Great Britian’s version of it as well)… educate yourself

  • KH

    I wonder how many government scum, senate and elite pedophiles have this cow on their payroll?

    • Richard R

      You’re comment adds nothing to this conversation outside of showing your hate and misunderstanding.

  • Carrie Barton

    This is what happens when you say that having sex with the gender is okay. I have been saying this would happen. To all of you Homosexuals that said it culdn’t

    • Richard R

      I don’t think anyone knows what you’re talking about. Also, most times when a child is molested it’s boy and a girl and mostly by straight people.

      • Carrie Barton

        Richard it has to do with bringing our society even further down

        • Richard R

          Societies are actually more stable now then they’ve ever been in the past. World wide there is way less violence and more prosperity than ever in our past which I find ironic since the world has gone from very religious to not as religious.

          • Carrie Barton

            You are so funny! Really! LMAO Have you looked outside?

          • Richard R

            Looking outside isn’t enough to create a full picture of the behavior or state of the entire world. That’s silly and superficial.

            Do you believe when it’s sunny outside your window that it’s sunny all over the world or even daytime? See, that’s how that works. You don’t make assumptions about an entire population by looking at one individual or one example.

          • Carrie Barton

            Okay, you can heave men and women have sex with children in your world. I know that it is not right and I don’t look at the person I look at their actions. You know actions do speak louder then words. And when i look outside and see the sun I always know that there is a new day starting somewhere else.

          • Richard R

            Please share with me where I say anywhere on this page it’s okay to do anything to children. I’m pointing out your narrow view nothing more.

          • Carrie Barton

            By sticking up for this , you are giving them a chance to commit the crime again. They had to have done something for someone to qualify being a pervert

  • John Jmburne

    Psychopathic mass murderers: A disorder, not a crime.

    • Richard R

      Where does she say that?

  • JD

    It looks like everyone sent this article to their reactionary aunt/uncle and asked them to comment on it.

  • chris

    sorry like anything else most people in power are or know pedo so they will of course agree with her if anyone touch my kids I will deal with them period ! We do not have enough places available in mental institutes around the world to house pedo mother decapitating they babies murderers who get away by having mental breakdowns just Hang them end of problem ~ hey if we did this Catholic chruch would brankrupt ~

  • amber

    Ok. If the pervs. Continue their attraction to childern since their 1st girlfriend etc. Please explain to me wth they molest/rape infants and toddlers. The normal human infant or toddler isn’t sexually attracted to no one. Just this fact alone trumps this sick theory this lady has posted. Do pedifiles have a condition? Yes, they are fu%@ed up in the head and dangerous to society. There is NO cure. Only life n prison or death stops them. Pills therapy etc. Is useless. This is a sick disrespectful article to all the victims of these sickos.

  • Dean Vaught

    Started out as interesting. Then a bunch of libtard idiots started with their off the wall comments. Why is it that they need to show their stupidity to the whole world? Every thing their way until the crap hits the fan. Then they try to blame everyone else! Then, here comes the atheists. Gotta get their word in somewhere. Even if it’s not part of the conversation. What a bunch of idiots! This post will probably get banned because it offends atheists or liberals.

    • Richard R

      Your comment might be silly and full of irrational ideas but it won’t get banned. We need people like you so that we can all strive to be better.

  • Matthew Raymond Boger

    If you have any human compassion in your spirit, you will be able to understand that pedophilia is something that needs to be helped, BECAUSE IT IS A DISORDER THAT LEADS TO CRIMES LIKE CHILD MOLESTATION. If pedophilia can be helped, then child molestation can decrease over time…but if we don’t do anything about it and continue to tell people who have this disorder to kill themselves, then we aren’t doing anything but letting the problem continue. Pedophilia is always going to be there…killing people who have it does nothing.

  • A sane person

    Typical of what’s wrong with our Oprahized America, everyone is a victim, even a pedophile. I wonder what’s her real motivation for defending pedophilia?

    • Richard R

      So sad, your comment makes me sad.

  • Alvin A. Almodóvar

    Amanda Rosario wrote, and I QUOTE: “She [Margo Kaplan] should take her children to their [pedophiles’] homes to take care of them.”

  • Matthew Raymond Boger

    I have lost all faith in humanity. This article talks about how Pedophilia is a mental disorder and that pedophiles should get help for their condition. The professor who is claiming this STATES that they are not responsible for their sexual desire, but they are clearly responsible for acting on those desires, therefore making them sexual offenders. People who have commented on this article think that because she is calling Pedophilia a disorder and not a crime, think that she is also saying that being a sex offender isnt a crime. GET IT THROUGH YOUR THICK SKULLS! She defines pedophilia as ” A person with an intense and recurrent sexual attraction to prepubescent children, children who have not yet entered any form of puberty. And according to the DSM [Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders], it constitutes a mental disorder when you act on it, but not just that. It also constitutes a mental disorder if it causes “marked distress or interpersonal difficulty,” and, as you can imagine, pedophilia will cause this.” What Margo is saying is that Pedophilia on its own is not a crime. When it causes a person to act out on these desires, then they become a sexual offender. THE MENTAL DISORDER ITSELF IS NOT A CRIME. If you want to call pedophilia a crime you might as well call Schizophrenia a crime, Dissociative Identity Dissorder a crime, and every other mental disorder a crime! How incredibly ignorant is that. THEN, some people who want to call pedophilia a crime have the audacity to say that people who suffer from pedophilia should go ahead and kill themselves. Really?! How would you feel if you had a mental disorder and someone told you to kill yourself instead of trying to help you out. Also, people who have read this article see helping pedophilia as trying to give them an excuse and even rights to molest children. There is so much wrong with that statement. They’re thinking that people are trying to give excuses for people who commit sexual acts on children. Margo is trying to help people with a mental disorder, she’s not trying to give sexual offenders a free pass. She is trying to help those with Pedophilia to not act out on their actions, and therefore making them sexual offenders. I swear, sometimes people do not understand when someone is trying to help humanity out. Instead, you have people claiming “Pedophiles should go kill themselves”…really…like that helps the situation. Pedophilia is always going to occur…killing people who have it will not do anything. Give these people help before they act on their sexual desires so that we have less sexual offenders. Anyways, people who see mental disorders as crimes do not truly know what they are talking about. Plus, if you ever come across an issue in the news that is controversial or something of that nature…make sure you put your biases aside rather than letting your opinion exclude everything in the article. You hurt your chances of assessing that article in an intelligent way…do yourself a favor and be smart rather than being blinded by your opinions

    • Matthew Raymond Boger

      “The purpose of human life is to serve and to show compassion and the will to help others” – Albert Schweitzer

    • A sane man

      I will accept on face value your statement that Margo is trying to help people. Shouldn’t the focus of her sympathy be toward the innocent children who’s lives are ruined by a pedophile acting out his or her fantasies? In this entire interview all her compassion is directed toward the perpetrators of evil, not their victims. Her logic flows as follows; Hitler was severely mentally ill, acting out because of that illness he orchestrated the death of 6 million jews by barbaric and brutal means. Therefore you should feel sorry for Hitler. I unapologetically and clearly state, I have no sympathy for Hitler or child molesters, and I will make sure my children are protected from those who do.

      • Matthew Raymond Boger

        I understand that we definitely need to be concerned of the safety of children, but I do not think the point of her article was to direct compassion towards the victims of child molestation. Now, that doesn’t mean she doesn’t feel for the children who have been molested, but in sharing her knowledge about the mental disorder about pedophilia, she brings about a side of the story probably not a lot of people know. Many people know more about the horrors children face due to child molestation, but not a lot of people know about the idea of pedophilia being a mental disorder. To focus her attention on the victims would be to hold back information she knows that can give people more knowledge about pedophilia. The actions people have committed on children because they have pedophilia are wrong and they need to be held accountable for them. But in her sharing her knowledge about pedophilia being a mental disorder, I believe she is trying to find a way to decrease the occurrence of pedophilia in the future. To focus her attention of the victims would continue to portray the idea that pedophiles do not need any help when they actually do.

  • Gen_Lee_Wright

    I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: I was BORN a bank robber. Who are you to judge me? When did you CHOOSE NOT to be a bank robber? Oh, cat got your tongue? That proves my point…somehow.
    Besides, all your money is FDIC insured, so there’s really no crime here anyway. I’m a bank robber and I’m not going to hide it anymore. Who’s with me? Bank robbing PRIDE MARCH, people!

    • Richard R

      Have you robbed a bank? If you have, you should be in Jail. If you haven’t robbed a bank but are thinking about it, can we help you reconsider? Do you need financial help? We don’t want you in jail so if we can help let us know. You don’t really serve a purpose to society if you’re in jail since we have to support you until you get out and after you get out I’m sure you won’t have a job so we’ll have to support you until you get a job. I do imagine you won’t be getting a great job since you have a record so we’re probably going to supplement your income until you die. I would rather help you now so you don’t end up in jail and costing the system way more and for a long time or until you’re dead. So if you need help to keep you from robbing a bank I beg you to let us know now.

  • Kristen Greathead

    all sex offenders and pedophiles should be shot they know what they are doing its another excuse to be more soft. If we shot them the 1st time and didnt give them a slap on the wrist there wouldnt be repeat offenders. There are sex offenders out there that are called enable to stand trial and are never tried. Pathetic. There wouldnt be so many messed up children we could stop the cycle now.

    • neil allen

      even Jesus said in Matthew 18:6 that child rapists would be better off at the bottom of the ocean with a rock around the neck. However, the Catholic church hid and protected 100% of the pedophile priests that confessed to raping children, so a massive religion, promising free tickets to heaven, has people convinced that this is what “God’s church” would do. Satan is very smart

    • Richard R

      An 18 year old dating a 17 year could be legally called a pedophile. Should we shoot the 18 year old? A 15 year old having sex with a 13 year old could be a pedophile, should we shoot the 15 year old? Should we do this in public, in private or at a church? Should we sell popcorn and should we allow under age children to watch?

  • Armando Kneijber

    Well if it is not to blame them, what about those priest…and the little boys they have to suffer their whole life and I can not accept that girls and boys are abused because it is (normal)..those who do it are crazy and sick. and it is not normal !!

    • Guest

      who said it was normal. Describing pedophilia as a mental disorder is the complete opposite of calling it normal

  • https://www.facebook.com/john.carswells.corner John

    Another NYU and Harvard graduate educated and unwashed liberal

    • https://www.facebook.com/john.carswells.corner John

      God I hope she never has children

    • Endymion

      Another non-liberal with a rhetorical arsenal stocked exclusively with ad hominems.

  • Survivor56

    It has been known for some time that it is a mental thinking disorder, not curable. They think differently. So It
    maybe a disorder, but it is still a crime. Psycho is a disorder but
    murder is a crime. She’s not a psychiatrist but a law professor. She’s
    ignorant. Don’t send your kids to college, if this is what they teach. Obviously she’s never been abused or been near to an abused child. Put her on the front lines to see the trauma, she will change real quick.

    • Richard R

      Your lack of understanding is alarming on many levels.

  • Liz Litts

    Same crap we heard about gays!

  • Charles_Pragnell

    This presentation examines child rape and sexual abuse from
    an adults perspective and seeks Freudian excuses for their perverse beliefs and
    actions.

    Research and statistics show that Child rape, sexual abuse,
    and exploitation is mainly committed within the family home and by a male relative.
    `Stranger’ paedophiles commit less than
    4% of child sexual abuse. Most commonly it is someone in their family, who the
    child has trusted and who shares responsibility for the child’s protection from
    such intrusions into their personage, and the harms which issue from such
    intrusions.

    The most recent research shows that children suffer severe
    and long-lasting harms from rape, sexual abuse and exploitation. Such research
    is strongly supported by the testimonies of adults who suffered childhood rape
    and sexual abuse and given to Commissions of Inquiry worldwide. Such abuses
    were mainly perpetrated by other trusted and responsible figures in churches
    and related organisations, or by entertainers (Jimmy Savile, Rolf Harris etc in
    the UK) and by eminent figures in politics, the judiciary, the police, social
    work etc. (subject of a current Inquiry in the UK ordered by the government).
    Notably their positions place them in positions of power and control over
    others.

    There is a very high rate of suicide, serious depressive illnesses,
    divorce and inability to form and maintain adult relationships, unemployment,
    drug misuse, criminal behaviours etc among those who have been raped and
    sexually abused as children.

    Child rape, sexual abuse and exploitation is mostly
    committed by persons with inadequate personalities and who lack the ability to
    love others, and have no empathy or compassion for their victims. They are
    highly cunning and manipulative in their grooming behaviours and their major
    motivation is power and control over their victims and to gain perverse pleasures
    from the harm they inflict. Such attitudes and actions are correlate with what
    psychiatry terms as psychopaths and it is highly likely that a great many are
    psycho/ sociopaths.

    Although psychopathy is seen as a mental illness, as has
    been said, the condition can now be detected by Brain MRI scans which indicates
    that there is a defect in the formation of their brain, and which denies them
    the normal feelings and emotions of the general population. Such conditions are
    therefore currently untreatable and incurable and will continue to be until
    neuro-science and surgery can offer a remedy. It is not therefore a mental
    (psychiatric) disorder.

    Incestuous child rapists and sexual abusers are primarily
    motivated by their requirement to exercise power and control over others and they
    detest situations where others have power and control over them. Hence their
    avoidance of imprisonment or having to submit to psychiatry.

    Any Freudian based treatment of paedophiles and other child
    sexual abusers is very unlikely to be of any benefit whatsoever.

    The safety and protection of children must always be the
    primary concern and in this regard the enforcement of laws and the legal system
    are failing badly. It is only a very small percentage of child rapes and sexual
    abuse which reach the Courts because of very poor standards of collecting and
    collating evidence and even those which reach the Courts, the evidential
    process strongly favours the defendant because of inadequacies in obtaining and
    presenting children’s testimonial evidence and in rules of evidence which
    protect the offender.

    Despite its very considerable inadequacies and shortcomings the criminal law system must remain as the most appropriate way to deal with paedophiles and other child rapists, until such time as neuro-science can provide a more appropriate method.

  • john

    Where do all the so called ‘dirty old men’ fit in, those who continue to see a young lady as more attractive than one of their own age ; many men continue to be attracted to woman as young as legally acceptable, even during the later years of life.

    • Endymion

      That’s natural and normal.

    • Johan

      Unless I suddenly become very rich, powerful or famous, my days of hooking up with hot young models in their early twenties are behind me as I’m now old enough to be their father. That doesn’t stop me from still finding them attractive, but I’d never consider actually acting on it these days.

  • Wames

    I have a major issue with her opening statements and then her following blanket commentary. If we have no large scale data, studies, etc, then how can she the rattle off blanket comments about what pedophiles do and don’t do? How can she say we need studies to gather data that she clearly proclaims to know?

    • Endymion

      There is science on this. It’s scant, but there’s enough to know the basics, such as that paedophiles are not the main perpetrators of child molestation. 90% of child molestation cases are committed by so-called situational offenders, non-paedophiles.

      • Wames

        If there is science on this, then where is that data and how was it collected? Were the offenders evaluated by trained psychologists? I assume this data is related to criminal collection of facts since it references actual offenders, people I assume were convicted or at least prosecuted. I worry these facts are skewed by more instances related to teenage girls with older guys, ie 20 yo guy with 16 yo girl. Those instances should not be included in such data but if convicted, that 20 yo will be considered a sex offender. No, he’s not a pedophile in the specific definition but contributes to stats about sex offenders.

        Do you only define a pedophile as someone who has a sexual attraction to prepubescent or an opportunists who preys on small children? What is the difference in the end? The DSM-IV-TR, states, “The diagnostic criteria for pedophilic disorder are intended to apply both to individuals who freely disclose this paraphilia and to individuals who deny any sexual attraction to prepubertal children (generally age 13 years or younger), despite substantial objective evidence to the contrary”

        The suggestion divorces too many critical components to a sexual offender outside of sexual preference. A serial rapists doesn’t rape out of a desire for sex, but out of a desire for control, hate, sadistic tendencies, etc. They can have normal lives, married with children, etc. To blur the differences by describing someone who is an equal opportunity offender is a matter of semantics to me. If you have an individual who has repeatedly sexually abused a child, you have a pedophile, sex offender. Even if they have mutual, adult sexual relationships to me that doesn’t negate the label. You can be heterosexual and be a pedophile, I don’t think they are mutually exclusive. But her suggestion reaches far beyond any current data. She’s suggesting pedophilia is a sexual orientation and I think that is a statement that can’t be made with complete confidence at this point but the article speaks as if that is common knowledge.

  • Rich

    I
    said years ago with the homosexual agenda push for acceptance that this
    would be the next thing to happen. (NOT that homosexuals are pedophiles
    – though SOME are.) RATHER when another “sexual taboo falls” what is
    the next taboo to fall next. I stated that
    since adultery is no longer taboo nor is homosexuality, that only leaves
    bestiality, incest and pedophilia. Considering the “win” of
    homosexuality in current popular culture AND the relentless push to
    lower the age of consent in many states, pedophilia is the next
    taboo to logically fall. Frankly, the “Professor” is actually using the
    same arguments that the homosexual agenda has used (though not proven)
    genetic, born this way, not a choice, etc. Ironically, these are the
    VERY THINGS that happened to lead to the fall of the Roman Empire. SMH
    in disbelief that this is already happening quicker than I
    anticipated. Of course, the stark mad raving liberals and homosexuals are going to jump all over these comments, but you cannot deny the reality of what is happening and what was anticipated as happening. By the way, the author here uses the EXACT SAME ARGUMENTS the pro-homosexual agenda used in the early and mid 80’s that came to fruition in the 90’s and is now culturally accepted as a norm. Mark my words, in 10 – 15 years or less, our children will be indoctrinated by the public school systems to believe it is okay to be attracted to children but they should not act on it (or maybe they will be encouraged to act on it as some pro-homosexual public schools have encouraged). If you substituted the word homosexual for every time the word pedophile is used, you will see the eerie and uncanny arguments used exactly by the pro-homosexual agenda. I fear for our children of the future.

  • abqblondie2

    Kowtowing to Muslims, once again.

    • neil allen

      actually, the Catholic church in the United States committed more organized child rape than any other institution

      • Johan

        That’s absolute bullshit.

        The Catholic church has NOTHING on islam!

        There’s a popular Afghani muslim saying that goes, “Women are for children and boys are for pleasure”. Known as “Bachi Baazi”, young boys are dressed and made up as ‘sexy’ girls to be regularly sodomised. They don’t even try to hide their sickening perversity, the poor kids are virtually status symbols!!!

        Then there’s the rampant prevalence of islamic child brides. Once again, right out in the open, and celebrated, not condemned!!!

        • neil allen

          Try to tell the truth for once.

          I said very clearly “in the United States”. We have minimal control about what other countries do.

          Now prove that muslims had more pedophiles in the United States than the 4,392 substantiated, accused childsex offending priests that the Catholic church ADMITTED in their own voluntary report.
          PROVE IT, or go drink from the cup of shut the heck up.

          • Johan

            That’s just the point. The situation is FAR worse per capita among islamic communities “in the United States” and everywhere else in the world, but it’s difficult to “PROVE IT” because islamic communities go to such great lengths to hide the truth.

            Your desperate need to vilify the Catholic church at the expense of all logic and reason is truly pathetic.

          • neil allen

            You’re lying. Your proof is that there is no proof? Awesome. No wonder you’re a Catholic.

            NO ONE went to greater lengths to hide their organized child rape than the Catholic church.
            Remember, you’ve been told, and you are not forgiven (Matt 18:6-14)

          • Johan

            As I have already clearly stated, you ignorant, illiterate moron, I am NOT Catholic.

            I understand that your pathological, irrational vendetta against Catholicism prevents you from accepting the truth, but I will not be complicit in enabling your delusion.

          • Johan

            Your ignorance truly knows no bounds.

          • Johan

            Once again, the Catholic church has NOTHING on islam where it comes to child exploitation – anywhere in the world. They are just better at silencing the truth. Your pathetically desperate denial does nothing to alter this fact.

    • Richard R

      What? Maybe you posted into the wrong article.

      • abqblondie2

        No, the largest number of pedophiles in the UK are Pakistani Muslim immigrants, who groom native girls, as young as 11. And as a person, who was raped, at age 11, by the 16 year old son, of my father’s business partner, I know how devastating being sexually active at a very young age, can do to one’s life. Children are not mentally equipped to deal with sex. And pedophelia is a very serious crime, that can destroy the victims future happiness and stability.

        • Richard R

          Did you read the article? It says when a pedophile engages with a child it is a crime. She is saying pedophiles should get help before they commit a crime against a child. She’s not saying children should be exposed or be having sex with anything or anyone.

          • abqblondie2

            Ignoring the fact that the recidivism rate is almost 100%. You cannot “fix” pedophiles. All you can do is incarcerate them. It’s sad that people want to have sex with children; but if they do, they are incapable of being “fixed.” It’s in their nature.

          • Richard R

            But isn’t that the point in doing research? What if we can find a way to fix the problem. We won’t know that until we understand more.

    • Endymion

      Oh please, don’t they do education where you live? Are your opinions spoon-fed to you by Fox News?

  • Susan

    Pedophilia is most definitely a Crime! And must not be tolerated. The moment a pedophile victimizes a child, they have destroyed the spirit and soul of that child! How about doing some good Kaplan and research what has happened to the broken children who have been victimized! How about showing compassion to those little victims and let them know that what was done to them is wrong! As soon as society makes excuses and allowances for this kind of behavior, it equates a seal of approval and becomes even more of a problem! A note to those who may have a loved one who is a pedophile…you can still love a person without approving of their behavioral flaws!

    • Matthew Raymond Boger

      What Kaplan is saying is that pedophilia is a disorder. Child molestation, an act done by pedophiles, is the crime. One cannot help themselves from what they desire, but one can help themselves from committing a crime. You state what I just said when you said “the moment a pedophile victimizes a child…” the key words here are “the moment”. Up until the moment a person molests a child, they have not committed a crime. Therefore, pedophilia on its own, without any acts committed against children, is not a crime. Plus, I understand that we definitely need to be concerned of the safety of children, but I do not think the point of her article was to direct compassion towards the victims of child molestation. Now, that doesn’t mean she doesn’t feel for the children who have been molested, but in sharing her knowledge about the mental disorder about pedophilia, she brings about a side of the story probably not a lot of people know. Many people know more about the horrors children face due to child molestation, but not a lot of people know about the idea of pedophilia being a mental disorder. To focus her attention on the victims would be to hold back information she knows that can give people more knowledge about pedophilia. The actions people have committed on children because they have pedophilia are wrong and they need to be held accountable for them. But in her sharing her knowledge about pedophilia being a mental disorder, I believe she is trying to find a way to decrease the occurrence of pedophilia in the future. To focus her attention of the victims would continue to portray the idea that pedophiles do not need any help when they actually do. Plus, who is making excuses for their actions? No where does Kaplan say that child molestation gets a free pass and can thrive in society or as you say give “allowances for this kind of behavior”. Her goal is to have people who have pedophilia to seek help before they commit child molestation to stay out of jail. She focuses on the idea that this is a mental problem that we need to treat instead of not giving them help at all. Pedophilia is a disorder, child molestation is the crime.

      • Endymion

        And the science done on this subject suggests that 90% of child molestation is committed by so-called situational offenders, not paedophiles. If we’re to prevent child molestation, or at least reduce it, we need to digest this fact.

  • TheLight

    Welcome to the slippery slope.

  • M Diaz

    If one uses the natural inclination argument for homosexuality, then that would also have to apply to pedophilia, why rely on double standards? Everyone deserves to desire, while at the same time the objects of our desires are not deserved, simply because we desire them…

    • Richard R

      One harms children who can’t conset, gay people have relationships with adults. Does that clarify it for you?

      • M Diaz

        the desire for children isn’t harming children, it’s when you give into and act out is when you are harming a child…so you are getting ahead of yourself…and your reply has NOTHING to do with my point.

        everyone deserves to desire BUT no one deserves the object of their desire

        “gay people have relationships with adults.”

        i understand that, but the desire for a person of the same sex is still there…just like the desire for children…it’s a natural inclination to that person.

        of course pedophiles are dangerous to children because we value the idea of consent….but what i am talking about happens BEFORE consent…

        Does that clarify it for you?

        • Richard R

          NO, but maybe I should say that they consider something a disease only when it has the potential to harm you. Pedophiles can’t ever have a fulfilling life because they are attracted to children and there is no way anyone is ever going to allow adults to have have relationships with children. So even if they don’t act on their behavior they will for the most part never be happy. Gay people have feelings for the same sex but they can have complete and fulfilling lives because they can have successful relationships. Also, the only people that consider being gay a bad thing are religious people but religious people aren’t scientist and the bible is as real or not as you want it to be.

          • M Diaz

            “only when it has the potential to harm you”

            it’s a natural inclination and the inclination in and of itself isn’t harmful, it’s only perceived as harmful because our society deems consent as something that is very important and children don’t have that (which i fully agree with) … again, i am not speaking about the act, i am saying if one were to use the natural inclination argument for homosexuals, that would have to apply to pedophiles too …remember, ppl thought homosexuality was a disease, and that doesn’t work because it is a natural inclination..

            “Pedophiles can’t ever have a fulfilling life”

            in this society, perhaps…but that is making a sweeping generalization about pedophiles, we don’t know if ALL pedophiles are sexually attracted to children exclusively

          • Richard R

            That is correct. She is saying it’s not criminal to have those feelings but they can turn to a crime once you act on them.

            So yes, homosexuality, like being bi, like being straight or transgendered all happen naturally. They only turn harmful when they hurt the person having the feeling or the person they’re attracted to.

            I do agree that sexuality and how it fits into your life is more complicated. You are correct. A pedophile might not exclusively only be attracted to children. If they’re also attracted to adults then they’re fine and it’s not a problem but that isn’t what this is about. This is about those people that only have attractions towards children and the harm it causes both the person with the feelings and the possible victim.

          • M Diaz

            “They only turn harmful when they hurt the person having the feeling or the person they’re attracted to.”

            which is also applied to heterosexual relationships.

        • Richard R

          I do get your point after reading again. There are studies now that conclude there are many variations of sexuality that come into play when you’re first born and that you pick up as you get older. It’s almost an imprinting of behavior. So variations of sexuality are only consider harmful if they negatively affect the person with the desire and the person desired. Does that make sense? So you are primarily born straight, gay, bi and sometimes you can consciously decide what you’re most attracted to. During your teen years when going through puberty you can imprint habits or behaviors that can give more complexity to your sexuality. It’s more complicated than this but look it up, it’s incredibly interesting.

  • Sean Lee Walthour

    Murderers aren’t really killers. Great logic here!!!

    • Matthew Raymond Boger

      not all pedophiles are child molesters but all child molesters are pedophiles.

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  • johnson

    the fact that these corrupters of innocence (innocence is hated by Satan) retain their urges with almost no attenuation into very old age,proves the conditions’s demonic provenance…what better way to ruin a life,and turn someone from the creator?

    • neil allen

      true, and Jesus said the child rapists would not be forgiven in Matthew 18:6, but in 100% of cases, the Catholic church protected hid and moved known pedophiles. Satan is strong in that church.

      • Endymion

        That’s a wilful misreading of Matthew 18:6.

        • neil allen

          Wrong. Jesus said, “but whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in Me to stumble, it would be better for him to have a heavy millstone hung around his neck, and to be drowned in the depth of the sea.”
          Or is your Catholic opinion that raping a young child doesn’t cause him to “stumble”.
          Or do you think the child rapist is forgiven, at the bottom of the sea, with a rock around their neck, horribly choking to death?
          Or was Jesus lying?
          Please clarify.

        • Ma Hester

          Patrick O’malley 617-PATRICK (real name of neil allen) believes that the victims of child abuse sinned, and so he thinks that passage applies.
          I do not believe that the victims of child abuse sinned. They were innocent.

    • Richard R

      Yes, this is all about magic and demons and beings with wings. Someone, please give this guy the Pulitzer because he just figured it all out. Better yet, can we cast a spell to rid the world of all evil or will god now allow it?

  • Philip

    It really disturbs me that many people can’t understand the points she is making. I won’t reiterate them because there is no point but it clearly demonstrates that as amazing as the human brain is, there is still a lot of potential for growth. Something to look forward to I guess.

  • Advo2020

    And what do you tell the children who receive class 1 carcinogens like Epstein Barr Viruses and Cytomegalo Virus prevalent amongst prepubescent pedo-touched kids? Latent virus’ like these can cause lyphomas like Hodgkin’s disease or Burkitts lymphoma and lie dormant for years an cause fatique and learning, physical an emotional disabilities so pervasive to eventually destroy whole families when all “therapy” is exhausted. How about NOT using the children and families who will otherwise loose their livelihood’s and exhaust benefits when health is destroyed and guilt erodes the parental framework through legal costs. How about NOT testing your clinical data on the all the rest of us?! YES chemically restrain them IN JAIL. -A survivor of all this, a mother and pediatric RN case manager

  • Brendan Farrell

    In Greece you can get a government cheque for being a child molester. This lady is a sociopath and a commie.

    http://m.nydailynews.com/life-style/health/pedophilia-disability-greece-uproar-allowing-pedophiles-kleptomaniacs-special-status-article-1.1004112

    • neil allen

      In the Catholic church, pedophilia is considered a disability, and known pedophiles get a free retirement for the rest of their life called a “prayer and penance” vacation.

      for proof, Google

      startribune Abusive priest gets disability, support from Twin Cities archdiocese

  • Britta55

    Can this woman please just explain two things:
    1: Being that early age pedophilia is a young child with a kiddie crush on another young child, how exactly does she plan on catching it in order to begin early age intervention?
    “Little Timmy! I bid you not to crush on Little Susie!”
    “Why’s that doctor?”

    “You’ll become a pedophile when you get older and then you’ll rape Little Susie’s kids!”
    2: How exactly do you plan on bring about this non-offender intervention even with adults? Germany, as well as other European countries notoriously have more sexual openness than the U.S. It only makes sense they’ve had an easier time with their pedophiles coming out of the “panic room”. As for the U.S. it would seem impossible with the social stigma attached the idea of pedophilia to begin non-offender intervention. People don’t typically walk out in public and tell you flat out, “Yeah, I like it when Little Susie’s dress flies up.” So again, how exactly do you plan to fix this problem? Ranting in NYT? Because that helps all of America’s problems right?

    By the way, this is hardly a major enough issue in my opinion. At least regarding the U.S. that is. If you’re really that bent on stopping men from feeling sexually attracted to prepubescent children I can email you a list of countries with much higher rates of what Americans call “sexual child abuse.” I’ll warn you though, in some countries it’s almost commonplace.

    Am I the only one that feels like this chick got bored one day and haphazardly threw together some psycho-babble crap with little to no scientific support probably to get some attention from people with emotional baggage?
    I know, I’ll publish a rant about the horrible consequences of catatonic patients in hospitals being mistaken for dead bodies.

  • RR

    How many times are a pair of twins both pedophiles? Did anyone guess very, very rarely. If people were “born” pedophiles and this was part of their biological make up, the answer would be always.
    What is most disturbing about this woman is that she believes humans have no self control. Lots of people want to do lots of bad things from time to time. They don’t. It’s called self discipline or self control. People who have crap like that going on in their heads need to control it. If they can’t, they need to be locked away where they can’t hurt others.

    • Richard R

      Wrong. SO wrong. There are many examples of one gay twin and one straight twin as well as 2 gay twins. You’re logic is short in facts and science.

  • Kahn

    Ok read the article. I’m curious if this author has children. For anyone that does imagine someone with this “illness” touching your child or worse. Would you still think they need treated or would you want to hunt them down like an animal and beat every last breath out of their body with your bare hands. On the other hand maybe she does have children and has a relative, friend, or husband who has done something to them and had a psychotic break and is trying to justify the actions rather than dealing with them. Another possibility is that she herself was a victim as a child… I noticed she only mentions men having this “disorder”… Maybe that’s a clue since we all know of female teachers doing this in the past. She’s also not specific on what punishment should be for offenders or treatment non offenders should get. I understand she wants to identify the illness early and treat it but making it a protected class is a mistake. If someone gets help from a therapist that info is confidential and I don’t know if I should have to give an Ada to a ped since the only thing I can think of they would need is just not to apply for a job involving children also any medication is prescribed by a doctor I don’t need to know why they take it. Unfortunately for these people it’s them that’s messed up and this sounds like a first world problem to me.

    • Richard R

      Please read again. She never said only men suffer from this issue. Man, you’re jumping all over the place. Where does she say these people should be a protected class?

  • Nia luna

    agree with people not being marked as criminals when they have done no action, but what about the actions that can’t really be measured? Emotional abuse that based in sexual thoughts can be just as damaging.
    Someone who was put in a place of power in my life when I was six sexualised me from the moment he met me. He blamed me for his urges and mentally abused me for the rest of my life, he continues to sexualise me and treat me the same way and it’s been 23 years now and only 6 months ago did he admit this while exasperated during an argument where he was saying he always loved me.
    He won’t even admit it’s his evil and not mine, so; in this case, would you judge him as a pedophile?
    Or has the fact that he refused to physically touch me excused him of his urges and the justice I should be given?

    • Richard R

      I would consider what you describe sexual abuse.

    • Endymion

      Emotional abuse takes many forms. As a culture, we’re hysterical about people finding kids attractive, and yet we sexualize them. It’s almost as though the hysteria is directly proportional to our tendency to (or failure not to) sexualize them. Through hysteria we’re perpetually foregrounding their erotic potential.
      I would contend that it is emotionally abusive to children to bring them up in a culture where they are told that all adults (particularly men) are potential sexual predators and could never have their best interests at heart.

  • Tom Ripley

    Paedophilia = thoughts

    Child molestation = actions

    If you want to sentence people for thought crimes, then you are an Orwellian fascist.

  • philly

    So then that means that all people who do unlawful and immoral things have a disorder right. Of course they do no one argues these people are messed up. We argue the morality of it. Killers should be killed not helped. Stop wasting tax money helping the population thats killing us and start helping normal people who struggle with daily life. Pffff what a crock.

    • Richard R

      There are no “normal” people that struggle with life. People with all sorts of issues, including mental issues struggle with life.

  • King Buddha

    If you teach your children, that your God impregnated a 15 year old. How do you condemn your child for doing the same thing? How old is your God? 6000 years old?

  • Blubbedey

    How is this even remotely controversial? Everything she has said is shockingly obvious. Once again, we are reminded how unbelievably backwards America’s attitude towards mental health is.

  • Rich

    This chick is off her rocker!

  • JOHN GAGE

    Why isn’t transgender also considered a mental illness then instead of telling society that we need to accept it????????

    • Johan

      Of course, in reality it IS a mental illness. It’s just that petty, spineless political correctness dictates that we’re not allowed to tell the truth in case it hurts their delicate feelings.

  • Debra Silviano

    Did
    you read the article? It is like
    any other mental disorder…..if left untreated it causes people to be
    hurt. If we can identify those with this “disorder” and treat them,
    perhaps many children will be saved from abuse. I will just say that I
    was a victim as a child, as were many females in my family. If this
    person had been identified early and treated, perhaps we could have all
    be spared some really awful futures and many years of shame. Yes, the
    consequences of pedophilia are horrendous for those who are victims, but
    what if, what if we can stop it before it happens? This is the first
    step in ending it. Nobody said pedophilia is right, it is only saying
    that it is a treatable disorder.

  • Natalia Griswold

    Seriously? Sorry it is a crime. Children getting raped is not ok. Faith in humanity gone….

    • Richard R

      Where does she say it’s ok to rape children? Please show where it says that?

  • Freedom1966

    Outrageously stupid liberal blather… So someone who steals, rapes and murders has a sort of mental disorder as well, should we decriminalize those crimes as well? Without criminalization, it would be ten times worse, and there would be no way to track these ultra narcissist perverts and protect the public from them through sex offender lists, or for them to be kept away from children by court order.

    • Richard R

      Where does she say any bad behavior shouldn’t be criminalized? Please show us where?

  • Justin Farrell

    “Getting more emails of support than I thought” Then those people are just as sick and twisted as you…You may as well advocate for the release of Paul Bernardo

    • Richard R

      Where does she say that? Where does she say people shouldn’t be punished for committing crimes? Please show us where?

      • Justin Farrell

        Umm its in the article…. More support than she expected…read it….

        • Richard R

          I asked where she says people shouldn’t be punished if they commit a crime against a child?

          • Justin Farrell

            Check your post again bud, there were numerous questions in there

          • Justin Farrell

            And I am asking where I referenced that you numpty

      • Justin Farrell

        Where do I say that she said that? Take your time and learn to read bud, it’ll help you in life.

  • Eva

    Disorders do not cause nightmares to others, c r I m e s do. I wish there was a way to transport her back to childhood where a pedophile could have their way with her so her findings were more based on facts than her attempt to excuse the most heinous, grievous crime on the face of the earth. Alcoholism is a disorder, raping someone while drunk is a crime. Only pedophiles would agree with this. Sounds like she has some sickening urges to confess.

    • Richard R

      Your comment is really disturbing. People with mental disorders do harm to other people all the time. They often also hurt themselves. Your assumption that she is a pedophile speaks to your lack of knowledge and education. She is doing this to protect children.

    • Endymion

      What she says is based on fact. What you say is based on ignorance.

  • Olivia

    Tell that to the 2 year old girl or boy being raped over and over again. What a load of crap. To want to have sex with a toddler or baby means you are fundamentally messed up. Nothing about an illness, cancer is an illness, stalking, abusing and raping children are not an illness but a crime. I don’t care if you are the president it’s a crime. Ask any survivor.

    • Richard R

      She never said it wasn’t crime. Can you post here where she said it wasn’t a crime? Please try and read slowly.

      • Endymion

        I think she can only read slowly.

  • Jaxx

    Have her work in a sex offenders prison and see if she still feels the same!!

    • Richard R

      What does that have to do with anything? People acting a certain way doesn’t mean that people aren’t sick or don’t have mental problems.

  • David Underwood

    Human beings are so eager to put people and everything else in a box and then label the box. We think we understand something once we have categorized and labeled it. The truth is so much more complex than that. Many if not most individuals can and have observed the attractiveness of members of the opposite sex, and of his/her own sex at different ages and stages of development. The vast majority understand that engaging in sex with or inappropriately touching a child is abuse and would never even consider such an abhorrent act. Child molesters are destructive and society must protect children from them. The rest is just psychobabble posturing

    • Richard R

      Yes yes, I believe up to your last comment everything is right. But do you honestly believe everything there is to know about humans is already known?

  • Fringe

    So, my being raped and molested as an 8 years old child was NOT a crime?!? When she, or someone she knows is molested, it’ll be quite interesting tsehear her switch her tune.

    • Richard R

      Did she say that? Please read. Where in the article did she say that? I’m sorry for what happened to you but this is bigger than one instance of a crime or one person. A crime is still a crime no matter if someone is sick or not.

  • Dennis Bond

    I know the cure for pedophilia. A 9m to the back of the head.

    • Richard R

      Genius! You should win the Pulitzer Price. Better yet, please run for president.

    • Endymion

      It’s also the cure for idiocy. A veritable panacea!

  • James Harper

    I know more about this topic than anyone in the current world and will stake my life on it. Take it from autistic hebephile who was granted an IQ that was nearly immeasurable as a child. Mercury exposure is the cause of homosexuality, transgenderism, minor attraction(nepiohilia,pedophilia,hebephilia) and autism. If you want to know more contact me. I completed a report recently for 5 major research universities and will be willing to share the information I’ve collected and compiled for the last five years. Those with preadolescent attraction had their two of their top instinctive processes fused together. In this particular instance it happens to be the desire and nurture instincts that were combined.

    • Debbie Thompson

      Undiagnosed/misdiagnosed/untreated infections, as well, can mess someone up really badly, mentally.

    • Endymion

      And those paedophiles who have no nurturing instinct towards children because they are naturally of a sadistic bent? There are some of those two. Admittedly in the minority. The quantity of scientific research on this subject is nowhere near being sufficient to substantiate your hypothesis, which smacks of the kind of speculation present in early sexological texts on so-called sexual inversion.

  • Mick

    The problem with you researchers is that you label everything as a disorder or mental problem. Here is an idea – take responsibility for your actions. People make DECISIONS and sure some decisions are influenced by a proclivity to make them but it is simply a greater degree of temptation for some people over others. This should not give them free passes. Increases in crimes like this and many other heinous types are almost solely due to the fact that the judicial system is rife with bleeding heart plea bargain enthusiasts – not to mention a corruption when it comes to wealth and race issues that allow big crimes to receive small punishments in the resorts that we now call jails.

    Free meals, free education, health care and so on for injuring and harming others? Little extra repercussions for repeat offenders? Then you get surprised why the crime rate goes up.

    Now add to that people like this joker who say it is not their fault. I say that if we had far harsher punishments a lot of these so called disorder inflicted individuals would find themselves cured.

    Stop perpetuating this nonsense and instead advocate better punishments and maybe we can turn around the moral degradation that is eating the once beautiful America to death.

    • Richard R

      Yes, let’s make sure never to find ways to protect and only focus on punishment. That is for sure the best way forward. Let’s also not do any research on anything ever. Let’s just deal with whatever comes when it comes cause that’s the smart and moral thing to do.

  • K

    This makes no sense. How could you identify a child as a pedophile? By definition, a child cannot be a pedophile, so her entire argument about early prevention and diagnosis is invalid. Also, the only treatment proven to be even somewhat effective is aversion therapy. As a professor, she should know this. I believe she is just trying to drum up some publicity, which she has done quite well.

    • Richard R

      a 12-16 year old could be attracted to a 5 year old. Is that not pedophilia?

    • Richard R

      Your lack of understanding and knowledge on the subject is alarming.

    • Endymion

      There is no proof that aversion therapy is effective. And a child (defined as one under an age of majority) can be a paedophile. The criterion is preferential or exclusive attraction to prepubescent children.