Curio Theatre Company Doing Lesbian Romeo and Juliet

But it’s not a political statement, they promise.

You’ve no doubt seen adaptations and derivations of Shakespeare’s Romeo and Juliet many times, both on screen and on film. But you’ve probably never seen it done the way that Philadelphia’s Curio Theatre Company is set to do it: with Romeo and Juliet as lesbian lovers.

Curio’s Romeo and Juliet opens on October 11th at Calvary United Methodist Church (those liberal Methodists!) in West Philadelphia. The show marks the kickoff to the company’s 2013-14 season, all of which explores ideas surrounding gender.

Philadelphia actresses Rachel Gluck (pictured, left) and Isa St. Clair (right), both of whom are straight in real life, are playing Romeo and Juliet, respectively.

“I had been thinking that it would be interesting to do Romeo and Juliet as a same-sex production,” says Gluck. “And then a couple of months later, I happened to be in a Curio staff meeting when our artistic director says, ‘So, we’re thinking of doing a same-sex Romeo and Juliet.’ I jumped up and said, ‘Absolutely!’”

St. Clair says she was attracted to this version of the play because of its heightened sense of danger. “Not only is Juliet falling in love with the one person she cannot fall in love with,” observes St. Clair. “But she’s also falling in love with a woman, which is not only against the rules of the Church, but it’s also a surprise to herself.”

Antagonist character Tybalt, traditionally a man, is also being portrayed as and being played by a woman. “And there’s no Lord Capulet,” explains director Krista Apple. “Lady Capulet runs the house.”

It may be a lesbian version of Romeo and Juliet, but don’t expect any bawdy twists or lesbian sex scenes. Other than changed pronouns and other tweaks for the sake of practicality, the production is sticking to Shakespeare’s original text as closely as possible.

Some may see this all as a political statement. But Apple promises that it’s not.

“A few short years ago, casting the most classic of love stories with two women would have had to be, by necessity, a political statement in the United States,” Apple suggests. “Can you imaging a world, dear audience, where two women could fall in love and marry? What if they could? But women can marry now and claim each other on their taxes. And for me, that means we’re arriving at a point when this casting choice can simply be another version of this timeless story. Another lens to see it through, with new eyes.”

Below, Apple directs St. Clair and Gluck at rehearsal.

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  • rustyoldjeep

    Wouldn’t it be Julie and Juliet….

    • RDaneel

      There’s always a pitcher and a catcher, even for muff divers

    • anythingbutEXO

      maybe homo and juliet

      • aubreyfarmer

        Homeo and Juliet.

        • rustyoldjeep

          LOL

        • nobama

          No muff to tough.

    • nobama

      Filmed in the Brokeback Castle.

  • Brian Astby

    Why not a play about some homos raping a little boy, but played by straight actors?

    • Tootrue4you

      A play about Mohammed?

      • Brian Astby

        That would include mohammed.

  • James V.

    Why? Why is this crap forced down peoples’ throats? Time to halt the immorality in this once great nation.

    • caligula

      it’s not being forced down your throat. i doubt you’re going to see it. it’s just stupid more than anything. these people are just attention w-hores who will eventually grow out of their idiocy and, no doubt, marry a man to take care of them.

      • Augur Mayson

        It is being forced down people’s throats. The gay agenda is part of the Jewish agenda of cultural destruction. They like degenerate art and this thing qualifies. It not only passes as art and gets income, it erodes the culture and spreads depravity. A win-win for Z.O.G.

        You just can’t tell its being forced down our throats because you’re Caligula!

        • ralphie44

          listen to this verifiable audio list of the progenitors and leaders of the gay movement

          the guy just gives up at the end.. he cant take anymore

          www (dot) filedropper(dot)com(slash)thelist3_1

        • Randy Roadie

          Take your bigotry against Jews elsewhere.

          • dixhandley

            Although I’m not a party to anti semitism, it’s well documented that a lot of liberal enablers have a Jewish heritage. To point this out is not bigotry of any sort. I have read plenty of anti Christian b.s. yet no one ever says take that elsewhere. It seems anytime one makes a comment, with proof, not positive about a Jew, it’s racist or term bigoted. I’m not buying it. Hollywood is head up by those with Jewish heritage, refute that!

          • aubreyfarmer

            It can’t be refuted because it is a fact. The moral decline in America is accelerating and it is Jews that are behind it. Straight from the mouth of Jewish rabbis and Jewish scholars. Is it anti semitic to post the outrageous remarks of Jews? I don’t think so.

            28). “The Christians are always singing about the blood.
            Let us give them enough of it! Let us cut their throats and
            drag them over the altar! And let them drown in their own blood!
            I dream of the day when the last priest is strangled on the
            guts of the last preacher.” (Jewish Chairman of the American
            Communist Party, Gus Hall).

            29). “Wars are the Jews harvest, for with them we wipe out
            the Christians and get control of their gold. We have already
            killed 100 million of them, and the end is not yet.” (Chief
            Rabbi in France, in 1859, Rabbi Reichorn).

            30). “We Jews regard our race as superior to all humanity,
            and look forward, not to its ultimate union with other races,
            but to its triumph over them.” (Goldwin Smith, Jewish Professor
            of Modern History at Oxford University, October, 1981)

            31). “We Jews, we are the destroyers and will remain the
            destroyers. Nothing you can do will meet our demands and needs.
            We will forever destroy because we want a world of our own.”
            (You Gentiles, by Jewish Author Maurice Samuels, p. 155).

            32). “We will have a world government whether you like it
            or not. The only question is whether that government will be
            achieved by conquest or consent.” (Jewish Banker Paul Warburg,
            February 17, 1950, as he testified before the U.S. Senate).

          • Factory_Hag

            You do realize that there are lots of Jewish people who aren’t in show business and get just as disgusted as the rest of us to see people of their heritage up there on stage or the silver screen without their underwear on.

          • dixhandley

            Of course. There are plenty of wonderful human beings that are of the Jewish faith or race. Unfortunately, when it comes to liberals politics, and the ones that are the loudest, the vast majority of them are Jewish. The media, politics, entertainment. Because of this, the light, so to speak shines on them. I don’t think it’s anti Semitic to point it out.

          • aubreyfarmer

            Instead of calling him a biggot you need to educate yourself about the particular Jews that are behind the destruction of the Chritian culture. It is ignorance on your part but there is a sure cure. see 436quotesbyandaboutjews also see what a Jew that is an expert on Talmudic and secular Jews has to say about the threat that these evil doers pose to civilized man at The Real Zionist News.

          • apeon

            They are LEFTISTAS, and GODLESS—–But the language you use paints ALL Jews as evil, and reveals what is in your heart, because it came out of your mouth

          • buffonelder101

            he is half right… just doesn’t realize the Ashkenazi connection, but on second thought the serpent was half-right too… oh the garden and the invention of the half truth

        • Mark Cofta

          Wow, it just got real crazy in here. All these agendas! What’s the Christian agenda? Hate, hate, hate, fueled by lies.

          • Augur Mayson

            Hate and lies? You mean like lobbying to fling America’s borders wide open to third world immigrants and Mexican illegals by the millions, while asserting Israel’s right to exist as a Jewish, semitic state and deporting Israel’s African refugees to Uganda? If I said I wanted the right to a Christian, white ethnostate, would you not say that was racist?

    • dixhandley

      It’s part of satan’s plans. The Lord will be pushed only so far!

      • http://www.apple.com/ Norm

        Lol. Satan. You Christians hate love and true partnership.

        • Chillycat2

          And you make that statement based in what… Your own narrow hate filled intolerant bigoted views of Christians…?

        • Clee White

          Seems you have fallen for satan’s biggest lie, that he doesn’t exist. One only has to answer the calling. Christ will never force his way into your life. Many are called, few are chosen. I have experienced many supernatural events in my lifetime, God is real.

          • OlderWoman

            ‘Seems you have fallen for satan’s biggest lie, that he doesn’t exist.’

            That line from the “Usual Suspects” is very misleading. Satan’s biggest lie is that he loves his followers. Satan hates Jesus Christ because he is the Son of God. He’s jealous of Jesus because He will not allow Satan equal billing.

            That fraud in the White House serves Satan every day of his life by promoting Islam and protecting that Satanic ideology.

          • dixhandley

            Few years back, I spent a lot of time reading about Intelligent Design, just as a hobby. I was so impressed. When you study all the intricate parts that make up a human body, you can’t deny the existence of a Lord in the heavens. You just can’t. The body is so amazing. Poor Norm is living for self.

          • Clee White

            Exactly, and life here on this earth is but a vapor. Eternity is a very, very long time! ; } So, I’ll take my chances of being wrong here on earth (which I’m not) and endure whatever mockery and condemnation people feel they must present me with. Knowing that there is no condemnation in Christ makes all they say void anyway. Life without that hole in the soul is so fantastic! I wouldn’t trade it for “the world”.

        • dixhandley

          Norm, what does this even mean???

        • nobama

          Like boy robots do you Norm? C-3PO says he’s free tonight but you’ll have to bring your own oil.

    • Stephanie C.

      are they tying you in a chair and propping your eyes open with toothpicks or something?

      • James V.

        No, I have to explain this immoral, vile crap to my children. Abnormalities in nature are quite complex and hard to explain.

    • sdx76

      Clearly forced down your throat. I’m sorry, let me remove my gun from the back of your head and demand that you enjoy this particular play.

  • Tinfoil A22hat

    “Explores ideas surrounding gender” they’ve been experimenting with that for around 50 years now. We have freakshows like this as one of the results.

  • rkball

    Why not do a Mohammed play — THAT would be brave and transgressive, but, no.

    • dixhandley

      That would be an affront to obama!

    • BenDoverPls

      It’s that whole Aisha thing.

  • caligula

    so boring and trite. these mentally ill folk couldn’t think of anything original or interesting to do?

    • aubreyfarmer

      Molly Cyrus’s schedule was all booked up.

  • kingdad

    A disgusting and intentional bastardization of Shakespeare’s great work. Solely to promote a deviant and unnatural lifestyle. “In a church”, is just adding insult to injury for anyone remotely familiar with scripture and the long tradition of loving the Sinner and seeking their conversion and repentance, while hating the Sin and not promoting it as setforth in scripture itself.

    God has a long memory and those that mock him will be held accountable for their deeds.

    • Stephanie C.

      You do realize that when Shakespeare wrote and directed this ‘great work’, both roles were played by men, sweetcheeks?

      • kingdad

        You are correct about that However it was never about men loving men or women loving women. Women were not allowed to play those roles back then so why to to imply that it was perhaps something different and that this production is just a twist upon the original when all of the commentary and the article clearly show this to be a Lesbian relationship version of Romeo and Juliet.

        Back in the Day you reference a Boy, not a man, played the Girl role because his voice was higher pitched and he would be more believable. Is the Romeo women in this production going to type Baritone-butch lessons to lower her normal tenor of speech? No! so crawl back under that bathhouse door and get to work washing those towels.

      • cjkcjk

        Not only do you deceive, but you insult while doing it.
        Despicable creature.

    • Damiana Swan

      You’re not actually familiar with the history of Shakespeare, are you?

      ALL his plays were originally performed by all-male casts.

      Including Romeo and Juliet.

      • kingdad

        At least you worded it correctly unlike stephanie, boys played the roles of women for the most part. Females were not allowed to do so under the law. hence there is no way to try and equate the two.
        also see my comment/reply to stephanie c.

      • cjkcjk

        What does that have to do with his point?
        You can’t really be that stupid.

        • Damiana Swan

          My point is that anyone who is even slightly familiar with Shakespeare knows that (a) all his plays were performed by all-male casts, and (b) NONE of them bore any relation to what some people today consider “sacred”. In fact, they were quite frankly bawdy, and often included open references to non-straight relationships. It’s pretty silly to get all upset because one of his plays is being interpreted in a way that they consider to be less than PC, because Shakespeare was very often *deliberately* not PC.

          Also? I didn’t make this point earlier, but anyone who expects a church they don’t attend to live up to their own personal standards and interpretation of what JHVH thinks and wants is, well… probably going to find that reality doesn’t fit with their expectations.

          A LOT.

          • cjkcjk

            Still deceptive or just plain dumb.
            The context of the article concerns sodomy. When you say to people that female roles were filled by male actors, that is deceptive in this context. An honest commenter would have pointed out that although the roles were played by males, it was understood that the character was female regardless of how ‘bawdy’ the play may be.

  • Betsy Smith

    Hey, why promote the Gospel of Jesus Christ when you can promote deviant human lifestyles instead?

    • Craig Gleason

      The worldly view sells better. And “since narrow is the road that leads to life and few enter it” it only makes sense that this world in great numbers would accept anti-God lifestyles. We should pray for the lost, and for the elect to be delivered from evil and that the eyes of their understanding will be opened. Just make sure there is no hate or malice in our hearts, the Lord said “Father forgive them, for they don’t know what they are doing”

      • Wild Hog

        Well said. That’s all we can really do.

        • http://www.apple.com/ Norm

          First of all, Christ/God/et al are not real. Second, we all need to accept the LGBT individuals and promote their sides. I applaud this group and can’t wait to see the tea baggers freak out over two women in love.

          • Rich Wiley

            Why do we need to accept their lifestyle? Where is your proof that God isn’t real?

          • Jeebus

            Why should I accept *anyone’s* lifestyle? None of you ignorant b*tches are real.

          • buffonelder101

            acts 10:34 (kjv) Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons

          • Jeebus

            I think a play regarding something that doesn’t shove a f*cking agenda in my face would be nice.

          • C. Adkins

            nothing’s shoved in your face, you just want attention.

          • buffonelder101

            hey yall! the idiot can’t figure out the idiom

          • apeon

            ALLLLLLLLL art has an agenda

          • buffonelder101

            but not all have f*cking agendas… there is a difference… the fecal smelling penis brigade and the depravity of the sodomites leaves one with little respite.

          • seanpatriot

            First of all, Im an atheist, Secondly, its not your business what Christians believe, Thirdly, The LGBT sickos will NEVER be accepted in normal society. Fourthly, I Teabagged your mother last night.

          • apeon

            It anatomically impossible to tea bag a mother

          • tubaman

            HA,ha, ha .You are so funny and original!!!Ha,ha,ha,etc.

          • buffonelder101

            well stated

          • Karl Browne

            You can’t teabag a woman doofus

          • Wild Hog

            “Can’t wait to see the tea naggers freak out”

            That really is what it’s all about with people like you Norm. It’s the in your face that gets you off.

          • 2inthehat

            Promote their side? At the expense of institutions others view as sacred? Yeah, youre a real enlightened thinker arent you?

          • chankermechanicFMF2nd

            Funny how you libs. all now have one target. You went from Palin to tea baggers. Can’t any of you be civil and at least original or is it your total life being to be insulting? What happen to the lib. kind, caring and tolerant of differing opinions, or, is your group think that which is the only ne that counts?

          • apeon

            Stop calling them liberals—-they are LEFTISTAS—-liberals espouse liberty, freedom, respect–leftistas espouse control and domination

          • Clee White

            Liberalism is a disease according to the Psychiatric community.

          • abbeyconway

            Funny…’teabaggers’ is a homosexual word…..just noting. All the idiots who use it must be queer.

          • buffonelder101

            present company included?

          • bonch

            It’s funny to see people who are anti-gay, anti-woman, anti-sex, anti-doubt, and anti-science talk about tolerance. There’s a reason your party can’t win the White House anymore.

          • Slim Picnic

            LGBT is sooo non inclusive and bigoted. What about us polygamous. polyandrous, insectuous, minor-attraced persons. We want in on the game – unless you are too closed minded. It should be LGBTPPIMAP – again, unless you are the unenlightend ilk…get over yourself.

          • Factory_Hag

            Insectuous? Watch out for those Black Widows–I hear there’s no second date.

          • Dan Flathers

            “I applaud” “tea baggers” “we all need to accept”

            The oily language Orwell warned us of.

          • Clee White

            Isn’t that the truth. Orwell is also quoted as saying, “In a time of Universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.”

            Not being offending by the unkind speech from the lost is a spiritual milestone. Therefore, in being truthful nothing anyone says affects me. I rejoice.

          • TheBitterClinger1

            Fool yourself for a little while; even you will know the Truth. There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

          • apeon

            Interesting that you use a term ‘Tbaggers’ as derisive, when it is a practice of deviant sex???

          • Karl Browne

            It’s sucking the testicles… Get it?

          • C. Adkins

            first, nobody cares what you don’t believe in, second, two dykes getting it on is j-off material for teen boys, -big deal.

          • Jeff

            No Christ is real, you just refuse to believe

          • tlane

            So here’s the thing Jeff…. if I am wrong and there is no Christ (I am a beleiver) I am no worse for the ware…. if your wrong????? just sayin my friend!!!

          • Jeff

            You cannot be a believer in the Biblical sense if you do not believe that Jesus is the Christ. Don’t try to confuse this. Not trying pass off judgment here, you either are or not, according to Scripture.

          • John Smith

            We need to “promote their sides”? Why should we discriminate against heterosexuals? So now you want us to discriminate based upon sexual orientation? Piss off, bigot.

          • dixhandley

            Norm, do you really know what a tea bagger is, or just from what you’ve read on those loony leftwing lunatic sites? TEA means tax enough already. We don’t need to accept anything. Perhaps tolerate would be a better word, if you really understood the concept. Just remember, don’t tread on us!

          • jbourneidentity

            Good one, troll. Face cancer, bury a friend, lose a child, get sick yourself…then, I CHALLENGE you to tell me there’s no God. Have you ever considered your origins? Lightning struck and mud puddle and here we are? Ridiculous. Where are the transitional fossils? Explain the pre-Cambrian explosion of life? You can’t? I didn’t think so, but I do appreciate you capitalizing God and Christ in your comment. You should rethink the content of your post and the impact your attitude has on you and the lives of others. You need Jesus.

          • tlane

            AMEN!!!! Jesus is the light, and Norm you need LIGHT my brotha… Praying for you!!!

          • Craig Gleason

            How do we know that you are real Norm? You say Christ and God aren’t real don’t you? Did Thomas Jefferson exist? Napoleon? Attila The Hun? How do you know they existed? You don’t see them do you? You think therefore you are right? Where is your logic? What you don’t understand is that your ill feelings toward God are not because He doesn’t exist, but rather because He does exist and because you don’t see the truth in it supports all what scripture says about the blind(spiritual) How do I know this, I once was like you. I’m not superior to you, just that I was given the gift of faith to see where I stood. I’m sorry for your position and hope that God (the one who does exist) has mercy on you and your soul.

          • bonch

            If you believe in the Christian Bible, how do you justify its rampant slavery, genocide, rape, and incest? You can’t dismiss them as being part of the Old Testament, because Christians believe in the Old Testament, such as the Ten Commandments. It was the same God.

          • Craig Gleason

            Bonch, I noticed you capitalized Christian and Bible and Ten Commandments. Apparently you have some reverence for the subject. I can explain it, but you won’t understand unless you seek that information yourself by humbling yourself and asking God, who created you, to explain and reveal the truths to you. It makes sense, but as the Bible says, God’s ways are higher than ours, His understanding is just different than ours. You addressed slavery, genocide, rape and incest. Are you saying that God condoned all of these acts at one time or another? Have you read the Bible in context with the entire picture? Or are you asking questions from little pieces of knowledge that you have of the scriptures?

          • bonch

            My reverence is simply that of capitalizing proper nouns in English.

            Yes, God condoned slavery, genocide, rape, and incest in the Bible. Do you have any justification for the slaughter of the Canaanites? What about Numbers 31:7-18 in which Moses orders his army to slaughter everyone at Midian but leave the virgin girls alive to keep for themselves? That’s sexual slavery. How about Deutronomy 21:10-14 which gives instructions on capturing enemy wives and “having relations” with them?

            If you want to turn someone into an atheist, just hand them a Bible and tell them to read it cover to cover. The book is full of repulsive, immoral filth.

          • Craig Gleason

            Hi Bonch, you’re on your own. It’s my job to speak the truth not convince you of it. Narrow is the path that leads to life and few will enter it. For thousands of years men have argued this truth. I guess we’ll just have to wait and see where it shakes out. I hope that you will one day understand, but as I said, you and God will have to sort it out. If you insist on defending immoral and unacceptable lifestyles, that is your choice. yes, scripture I think, would link pedophilia with homosexuality as well as drunkenness, gluttony, murder, the list goes on. Again, you don’t get it, or see it and that’s your choice. You’re dwelling on the Old Testament and though it is part of the story, it’s not the final scene. Keep reading, maybe that atheist in you will see the light. And I appreciate your civil discourse, although I detect a slight hint of “put down” in your statement about Christianity and peoples minds”. That’s ok though. I understand your anger and I understand where you stand. Hope you have a good week.

          • bonch

            Craig, the bizarre aspect of your position is that you claim homosexuality is immoral and unacceptable, and your source for that is the Bible. Yet, the Bible condones rape, genocide, slavery, and incest, in many cases directly commanded by god.

            I’m focusing on the Old Testament because it’s part of your Bible, and it’s the same god as the New Testament. God is unchanging, remember? You believe in the Ten Commandments, don’t you? Jesus said he wasn’t there to change the laws, so the rules of the Old Testament still stand.

            Like many Christians, you’re unable to rationalize the filth of the Old Testament, so you try to ignore it. I have a question for you. Have you read your Bible cover to cover before?

          • Craig Gleason

            Hi Bonch, I apologize, but I don’t have time for a game of “Gotcha”.
            Do your research and come to your own conclusions. If you think you have all the right answers then run with it. You need no Savior? Then you will have none. It’s simple, not complicated. The filth in the bible is no different than modern day filth. As are the unrepentant men/women in the bible, still got ‘em today. Again, the crux of the Gospel is the anecdote. Have a good week.

          • bonch

            I have done my research. I’m challenging you on immoral aspects of your holy book, and you don’t have answers.

            To dismiss the filth in the Bible as being no different from modern day filth is to completely dodge the point. The filth in the Bible is commanded by your god.

            This is not a game of “gotcha”. I’m simply pointing out exactly what’s in the Bible that you base your religion on. Your god commanded genocide and slavery. You apparently have no answer to this.

            This is why Christianity and other religions are on the decline. People have access to information today, and it is the death of religion.

          • Craig Gleason

            Listen Bonch, you sound like a pretty decent fellow/girl ??

            Let me point out I said “IF” Hitler repented he would be in heaven,not (your words) “I just want everyone to read your post and see that, according to your religion,Hitler will be in heaven with you when you die”

            Ok, you got me, religions are on the decline and the death of religion is certain. You must have read that in the bible, it’s there.

            Bonch, In my universe, opinion, view, etc. the issue you have and the inability to grasp the truth, my truth, which I believe is the truth, absolute truth, meaning there can only be one truth, the issue you have is a spiritual issue. You are relying on information to disbelieve. Thousands of years before you were born men disbelieved without your modern info. There’s a reason for disbelief. It’s a long explanation, but can be found if you search. Sorry again for your position, you’re barking up the wrong tree with me. I was changed in an instant by a supernatural touch of God. Much like Saul on the road to Damascus, but not quite as dramatic, I wasn’t blinded at least. It’s not something that just makes me feel good. I’m willing to die for it, as many before me have. As I stated before, run with your belief and hope for the best. It’s your life, take it where you will, as for me I’m serving and humbling myself before my creator and grateful for Jesus Christ.

          • bonch

            I want people to read your posts because I want them to see that all HItler had to do was repent in the bunker, and he would end up in heaven with no punishment. That is the “justice” of Christianity.

            You call my questioning the “inability to grasp the truth”. I’m just asking you about what you claim. Like many Christians, the only thing you can offer is personal feelings and other anecdotes. The problem is that believers of other religions describe the exact same feelings to justify their religions. Muslims will tell you that Allah changed them.

            As for telling me to stick with my belief, I don’t have a belief. Atheism is the lack of belief. All you do is just repeat over and over that God is your creator and you are the servant of Jesus, but you don’t give any proof of God or Jesus.

            You believe something without any good reason to. You just like the way it feels when you believe in it. I’m sorry, but feelings aren’t good enough for me. I need it to be real.

          • Craig Gleason

            Actually you do have god, yourself. If seeing created things and the worlds complexity aren’t enough for you to believe in a creator then there is nothing I can say to convince you. Take your beliefs and enjoy your life, it’s your choice. You are not on my tab. If one day you decide that almighty self may not be all there is to life possibly consider an alternative. I don’t need to convince you and what you think about me is completely irrelevant in my or any other Christians life. You my cyber friend, have no idea where I have been and what I know and have done. You keep repeating I have the inability to prove God exists, take it up with Him…. Jesus was again correct when He said the world would hate us for his name. Now go enjoy your life and quit being bothered by other peoples lack of intelligence and over abundance of belief in God. Have a good week Bonch.

          • bonch

            The argument you’re using is called the argument from ignorance fallacy. You look at the complexity in life and decide that, because you can’t figure out how it came to be, God must have done it.

            One of the problems with that argument is that it raises the question–if the existence of complexity in the natural world implies a creator, than the existence of the complex creator also implies that it had an even more complex creator. It’s an infinite regression. If you think the universe had to be created because it’s too complex to exist without one, than what created the even more complex God?

          • Craig Gleason

            Bonch, honestly, Why are you so obsessed?. Go your own way and enjoy it to the fullest. I will answer to my God. If He looks at me and says “hey Bonch was right you know”….then I’ll concede. Now you’re not going to convince me of anything. Some of my closest friends, unlike me, have high degrees in engineering and medicine and they have no problem at all with God or creation, as I said it’s a spiritual issue not an intellectual one. One of my long time mentors was an engineer from M.I.T. He now conducts open forums with atheists, like you, at Harvard and Princeton and over seas at schools such as Krakow Univ. So, your knowledge of “fallacies” is appreciated, but not impressive. Move along and go enjoy your life, really, you deserve it. The bottom line is you think you have it all figured out. So run with it! GO MAN (or woman, whichever you may be) GO! All the best to you. I hope only for your best welfare and prosperity in mind, soul and spirit. You probably think you have a mind and body, and hey, if the spirit part throws you, forget about it, it’s a blessing. I’d like to be through with this conversation, you know, “pearls before swine”, so find someone else to try and sign in to your atheist club. I’m already a life long member of another and I’m not interested in yours. Have a good week.

          • bonch

            I’m not “obsessed”. I’m just replying to you in a conversation like you’re replying to me.

            I’m aware I’m not going to change your mind. I was just asking you to justify your beliefs and back up your claims. I don’t why you’re getting angry at me for asking questions about your religion.

          • Craig Gleason

            Bonch, that’s the funny thing about typed conversation. You really can’t always read the emotion behind it. There was not a hint of anger in my last reply. Sorry if you misread. Seriously, I’ve enjoyed this conversation and I wish you well. I am “shaking the dust of my feet”. If’ you’ve read the scripture you know what I’m saying “shaking the dust”. No malice or ill will toward you at all. It’s been a pleasure and at times brought a smile to my face. Have a good week.

          • Craig Gleason

            BTW Bonch, Jesus didn’t say He wasn’t there to change the laws. Get your quotes right….He said He came to fulfill the law,which he did, and summed up the commandments into “love God and love others”. You really do need to study. You’re hunger for argument would be better served with knowledge. Have a good week Bonch.

          • bonch

            The full quote from Matthew 5:17 that you’re citing is this:

            “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.”

            He specifically says he is not removing the laws of the Old Testament. That means the bizarre and grotesque laws, from slavery to stoning, still stand in your religion.

          • tlane

            I am always amazed at folks like you that, that are the first to say “dont judge” dont hate and then use words like “tea baggers” priceless… Love you Norm

          • buffonelder101

            “your hypocrisy is worse than mine” – Norm

          • tubaman

            I feel so sorry for you.You are condemned by your own words.

          • David Manes

            I find it interesting that you first say that we need to accept the LGBT individuals and promote their sides, but then you follow it up by using a homophobic reference (“tea baggers”) which side of the tolerance fence are you on?

          • buffonelder101

            i call straw man argument!..

          • Centipede Galaga

            1. God is real. 2. I accept every individual as having dignity and being worthy of love because God created each and every one of them as a reflection of His goodness. 3. It is because people have inherent dignity, worth, and are lovable that all acts that violate that dignity are not reasonable.
            I do have to love everyone, I cannot call an irrational act (a sinful act) a good thing. I think the big problem is that this whole question about human sexuality starts from anger and name calling (on both sides) and not out of charity and acceptance of mutual dignity as fellow human beings made in the image and likeness of God.

        • Craig Gleason

          There are many who are in desperate need of the true gospel of God. Salvation by grace, through by the gift of God, through Jesus Christ’s sacrifice. All of these evils are like a distraction and tend to only keep us angry and off track.

      • wayneinnh

        Unfortunately, they know exactly what they are doing.

        2 Peter 2:1 But false prophets arose among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. These false teachers will infiltrate your midst with destructive heresies, even to the point of denying the Master who bought them. As a result, they will bring swift destruction on themselves. 2 And many will follow their debauched lifestyles. Because of these false teachers, the way of truth will be slandered.

        • OlderWoman

          That includes the pope. A Jesuit who promotes the deviant lifestyle. No wonder many people see him as the False Prophet.

          • abbeyconway

            You are nuts. He said only God can judge ANYBODY who truly seeks God. It is the ACTION, not the PERSON that is sin. And not every homosexual PRACTICES it. Do you practice adultery? Same thing, fool!

          • buffonelder101

            she is right on… the pope is king of the double speak and the jesuits are truly the greatest enemy to personal consciousness on the planet besides lucifer

          • Chris L

            Really? St Ignatius of Loyola? St. Francis Xavier?

          • buffonelder101

            yes sir… you must not be a protestant. cause if you were you would know who is your biggest threat and it has always been the sons of loyola… that was the entire purpose of the jesuits… to kill and destroy protestants…. deal with it…

          • abbeyconway

            ha, ha, ha…where in the world do you people come from? You Protestants are nuts. Nuts! And so full of hate. Christ said to Peter, “Upon this rock I will build my church.” And only the Catholic Church has followed Peter down through the ages. Think, people. Think!!

          • buffonelder101

            we came from europe after being killed and chased by catholics… it is a fairly common history. and unless peter is a girl the word petra in greek wasn’t referring to him… you really didn’t read those links i posted earlier

          • abbeyconway

            So were the Muslims chased by Catholics (remember the Crusades?) . Evil be evil, Buffoon. And to pretend you are a Biblical scholar is just waaaay over the top. How to you spell ‘insane’?

          • buffonelder101

            i don’t buy that argument but i do believe they (muslims) are being used by Rome to further its agenda… and good catch on the typo… it didn’t help the sophistication of your argument.

          • like I CM

            On who’s authority does he rest to make such proclamation? That’s the question. We all know what he said

          • buffonelder101

            god of this world…. principality of the air….

          • tubaman

            idiot!!!!people make judgements about things or people every day

          • abbeyconway

            What in the world are you referring to? Hello!!! Hello!! Earth to tubaman. You must have your head in your tuba….or up your rear….

          • Clearhead

            Tsk Tsk !!

          • Kevin

            Sorry Abby, but we don’t seek God, God seeks us . The pope is wacko. We are called enemies of God before we are saved. The book of Romans lays it all out. Esp Romans 3:10-12
            10 As it is written:
            “There is no one righteous, not even one;
            11 there is no one who understands;
            there is no one who seeks God.
            12 All have turned away,
            they have together become worthless;
            there is no one who does good,
            not even one.”

          • abbeyconway

            Well, here’s hoping He finds you, because He obviously hasn’t yet. You had best do some real research on your nutty beliefs. Maybe you are a Methodist or Unitarian???

          • buffonelder101

            abbey is to busy sitting God’s throne to realize her humanity. and her sanity is the only acceptable one and by consequence everyone else is nutz. ignoramuses abound

          • Clearhead

            Or maybe he’s a roaming catlick.

          • Kevin

            Sorry Abbey, but He found me and saved me by grace when I was a day away from suicide, 26 years ago. Since then He has transformed me by renewing my mind. I now have the power of the living God living in me! Not once did I seek him BTW. Not sure what part of my beliefs you find “nuttty” since you didn’t address that. Please let me know and maybe I can clarify for you.

          • Clearhead

            Sounds lIke the DNC, IRS, NSA, TSA………ETC…..Etc…..etc….

          • Michael Modes

            It’s pretty funny seeing all the charges of heresy from a religion that is a heresy of Judaism and worships a dead mortal as the Son of God, which has nothing to do with the Messiah concept of Judaism, but is a carry over from the Sun God of paganism.

          • Preston Venzant

            show us the dead body and this goes away

          • Clearhead

            Calling someone “fool” according to Jesus, puts one in danger of …..
            ………(fill in the blank)

          • Kevin

            Show me anywhere in the bible where we seek him (before we are saved)

          • buffonelder101

            read john adams to thomas jefferson on the jesuits… i wonder daily why these bastardos are even allowed in this country

          • abbeyconway

            ummmm, because it is the TRUE CHURCH??? “Upon this rock….”???

          • buffonelder101

            http://carm.org/is-peter-the-rock

            next time don’t read from the bullet point list if you want to sound credible….

            http://www.reformation.org/simon_peter_versus_simon_magus.html

          • abbeyconway

            Wow, this whole thread is filled with wacky Protestants who are filled with hate. YOU are the ones who left Christ’s Church, you nut job.

          • buffonelder101

            after centuries of being murder by catholics.. but i wouldn’t call it hate… we just know the score and we didn’t leave scripture… and without the word you have no church… did you ever read luther’s arguments? you do realize he tried to reform the church to get it back to scripture but instead the church turned its back on him?

          • Centipede Galaga

            …the “reformation” was a raw power and money grab by nobles and secular forces from the Church. You need to do some deeper study. The violence against the Church by reformers was significantly more heinous. The prosperity, learning, and saints of all civilization have come from the Church. Christian unity is a command from the mouth of Christ Himself. How does bloody revolution accomplish this? Only in Catholicism is there the possibility to have true Christian unity, robust debate, and legitimate Christian plurality (freedom to practice the faith in the manner that the Holy Spirit guides). I pray that we can all be one in truth and spirit for the salvation of souls. God bless you all.

          • buffonelder101

            Matt 5: 27-28 (NIV) 27 “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall not commit adultery.’[a] 28 But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart.

          • Cahtolic shame

            Seems to be filled with Catholic’s who deny their history.

            As if the Catholic church is the one and only church, and the true church. Talk about arrogance!

            I dunno, you better confess that with your child molesting priest.

          • Centipede Galaga

            enlighten us, O enlightened one! Give us a history lesson about the other Churches that had God Himself found them? I have only heard one credible claim to that one.

            I see you are holding on to the child molestation problems of the last few decades. How does someone’s sin negate the power of God? Just wondering?

          • Clee White

            We are seeing that your expertise is in name calling which is are real shame. Perhaps your point would be better taken were it not laced with so much venom.

          • Clearhead

            “Dear Abbey” — “THIS ROCK” is the solidarity of Peter’s STATEMENT when Jesus asked him, “And whom do YOU say I am?” to which Peter responded ‘THOU ART THE CHRIST, THE SON OF THE LIVING GOD”. His answer directly to Peter was “…….and on this rock…….”, NOT “…..And on YOU, Peter…..” So,as you so succinctly put it in your comment above, “…..Try reading EXACTLY what he said, you idiot. Read it ALL. You just took out of context what you want to believe and what supports your twisted thinking…..” This might be a good opportunity to PRACTICE WHAT YOU PREACH.!!!

          • Centipede Galaga

            …that is some good ol’ fashioned scripture twistin’,
            This is a long and interesting conversation about the authority that Christ gave to Peter and the Apostles.

            Christ always gives sufficient evidence for what is necessary for salvation. But, God resists the proud and gives grace to the humble. This whole thing has gotten out of hand and become a scandal to non-believers. But, I will pray for you, for all these people, and for myself to Christ for that precious gift that is necessary for salvation (for all), humility.

          • flakingnapstich

            Everyone says their church is the “true” church. Why else would they belong to their church? Trying to argue that “your” church is the “right” one by claiming it’s the “true” church is circular reasoning of no value in a debate.

          • Cahtolic shame

            Talk about taking a verse out of context! Sheesh.

            “Upon this rock…”

            So, the Catholic church is built upon a fallible man (Peter.). Well, there really is no point to argue. The Catholic church is one of the most vicious, vile and controlling forms of religion ever invented.

            Shall we take a look back at these crimes? First, let’s start with something very, very mild-mannered. How about in 1428 when Pope Martin V had John Wycliffe’s body dug up and burned at the stake? Pope Martin V sure sounds pretty Godly to me (sarcasm).

            Shall we continue….

          • Centipede Galaga

            …sorry, I say John Wycliffe got off fairly easy for the heinous crime of propagating Ockham’s trash. You are barking up the wrong tree if you are gonna do a laundry list. You might as well list all the sinners in Old Testament also. The Church is not the true Church because the people are perfect, it is the true Church because of the promise of Christ. If you are looking for the perfect Church with perfect people in it, don’t go in when you find it ( you and I would make it imperfect by entering ;)
            But, if you are looking at the Church that you can get access to the saving power of Christ through the sacraments, it is the one that has been there for 2000 years. Although, the Orthodox have valid sacraments also. And they are pretty cool as well. Protestant Churches can do great stuff, but Christ is the one to rely on. History shows that the Catholic Church is the one that has been around since Christ and the Apostles. No need for shame in admitting you are a sinner, just shameful to remain one.

          • LuppersMom

            Hi Abbey, It is a waste of time to use logic on Jack Chick readers. I am from Texas and have dealt with their illiteracies for decades. God bless you for trying ad majorem Dei gloriam at least. Trust me on this, et Dominus tecum.

          • Clee White

            With very little research effort one will clearly find the god of the Catholic church is Lucifer. The evidence is astounding. The Vatican has a telescope in Arizona whose name is L.U.C.I.F.E.R. ! They couldn’t come up with anything else? Please! The telescope is located on Mt. Graham off the Hwy Rt. 666 (since changed over public outcry). Seriously folks, you can’t make this stuff up. Psalm 91 for times such as these!

          • TexasGirl

            I don’t know about any of that, but I do know this new pope has already softened toward gays and now has said you don’t have to believe in God to go to heaven. That’s enough right there to see that this “religion” is evil.

          • tubaman

            he sure isn’t a christian!!! Christ himself said that He was the only way to heaven or that place where God is.If you believe just being a good person will get you to that place called heaven,you are in big trouble!!!!

          • Winston

            A direct violation to the New Testament.

          • TexasGirl

            Would you believe I even had a Catholic on a message board like this one asking me wasn’t I afraid of going against God’s chosen messenger on earth (or some such nonsense – he was talking about the pope) … and I asked him wasn’t HE scared of going against the Son of God. Craziness, I tell you.

          • Winston

            They’re brainwashed like communists. I did go to catholic schools as a youth. They do have an indoctrination process but in all the years I went to catholic school, they never made us read the Bible or go through any scripture with us. They told us what they wanted us to know.

          • Warren1111

            Juliet: Romeo, Romeo where art thou?
            Romeo: I’ve been spurned, for you have found a lesbian lover.
            Shakespeare is turning in his grave about now.

          • SWDC

            When entities who are not taxed because of religion only? and then get directly evolved in politics and campaigning for political entities perhaps that tax free entity may need to have its tax free status reevaluated. Land value and building never mind income.

          • Archie Bunker

            but you supported a pope that smites everyone outside the religion? i bet you have never read the bible, and if you have you probably skimmed it. ill go by the word of a pope who has dedicated his whole life to god from day one. as well as his fellow cardinals voting him in. god and the church does not have to be all doom and gloom. smile and worry about yourself!

          • TexasGirl

            Um, where did I say I supported any pope? I am not Catholic and don’t follow a man-made religion such as that. You must not have understood my post at all. I will assure you I have read the entire Bible, several times, and I follow the Word of God. And I’m pretty happy about it – no doom and gloom here.
            Maybe you should go back and re-read my post?

          • Sanity

            So, I’m sorry, but you don’t follow a “man-made religion” but you follow the bible, which was written by men? The hypocrisy of your statement is pretty powerful here.

          • TexasGirl

            Sorry, but you are wrong. God inspired the Bible, and it is His Word. You can believe it’s not, but that doesn’t change it. Bored and looking for an argument you’ve had a million times, huh? Well, I’m not bored and I’ve already had this argument. B’bye.

          • Sanity

            No actually, first time I’ve met someone foolish enough to make the statement you just made. You can say all you like about the bible being his word, but that doesn’t change that men wrote it, translated it, packaged it and printed it. That leaves a lot of room for misinterpretations, which is exactly what you just accused the various man made religions of. I’m not going to fight you on belief, I will fight you on hypocrisy.

          • Clearhead

            I fear for Texas Girl in her battle with you on HYPOCRiSY !! You are obviously so much more well-read on that subject.

          • mike

            I, with no dog in this fight, would like to address this. Where you stand on the bible today depends on whether you believe it’s an essential document for salvation. If you do, then you must also believe that God, who inspired the writers of the Bible, also had a hand in all the interpretation, packaging and printing that has happened through the years. Otherwise, if the message is indeed lost, then God has fostered upon the present generation a joke of a document that doesn’t lead to salvation. That isn’t the work of a just God.

          • flakingnapstich

            “That isn’t the work of a just God.”

            HAVE you READ the Bible? God isn’t just by any human definition of the term. He’s petty, brutal, violent and downright cruel to not just unbelievers but even those who follow him. If you’re going to claim to be a Biblical Christian, then ditch this hippy-dippy “God of love” BS you’ve been sold by moderate and liberal pastors and actually READ the book you CLIAM to be the basis of your religion.

          • flakingnapstich

            “God inspired the Bible”

            Which is what Muslims say about the Koran and Mormons say about the Book of Mormon. What’s your point?

          • bonehead41

            You are comparing apples to oranges.

          • flakingnapstich

            How so? The Bible, Koran and Book of Mormon are all mythology texts taken as divinely inspired by the followers of various religions. Each book is a blend of the mythologies dominant at the time of their composition. All three borrow heavily from Jewish mythology, which itself borrowed heavily from the Persians. All three plagiarized the Zoroastrians.

            Comparing one to the other is an apples to apples comparison, unless of course you’re going to try to argue that just because you believe one is divinely inspired and the others aren’t, that there’s somehow something unfair in comparing the Bible to the Koran.

            In many ways, the Koran is an example of religion coming full circle. The Jews were heavily influenced by the Persians during their Babylonian exile. Those Jewish texts went on to inspire Muhammad, who created a religion that went on to dominate the descendants of the very people who had originally inspired the Jews!

          • bonehead41

            Sorry. I find it impossible to debate people of ignorance and irrationality of which you included
            In matters of religion.

            You are totally blind to truth and wisdom haven’t the slightest idea of what you are talking about regarding religious faith.

            Go peddle your lies to those atheists to which you have much in common.

          • flakingnapstich

            So you refuse to debate me because I took advanced religion classes at a conservative Lutheran university, learning what many first year seminary students learn about the Bible.

            You similarly refuse to debate me because of the information I learned from the comparative religion classes I took, which were geared towards helping Christians better understand other religions as an aid to evangelism.

            And you wonder why today’s 20 somethings are leaving the church in larger numbers than any previous generation.

          • BobbiM

            That would be a losing strategy. The Pharisees took that path and Jesus called them “vipers”.

          • abbeyconway

            Try reading EXACTLY what he said, you idiot. Read it ALL. You just took out of context what you want to believe and what supports your twisted thinking.

          • TexasGirl

            Your mother certainly didn’t spend much time teaching you manners, did she? I don’t have to read it again to know what I’m saying, and I certainly don’t have to read it again because you told me to. Get lost, loser (and you might want to get some help for those outbursts of anger you’re having).

          • abbeyconway

            Manners? You need a slap across your stupid, uninformed insolent face…not ‘manners’. Maybe a two by four across the head would wack some intelligence into your addled brain. Now how’s THAT for outbursts of anger…ha. ha. There is something wrong with you toots. You are filled with hate.

          • TexasGirl

            Wow … I feel so crushed. I mean, to be told how hate-filled I am by a psychopath behind a computer screen who’s spewing violent words … how can I go on??? I mean, your opinion must be true, right? Bwhahahahaha!

          • Centipede Galaga

            summary of what the Pope always says: everyone can be a great saint if they seek Christ and follow His commandments. Even sinners, if they turn from sin and love God with all their heart, mind, and strength. (prayer and the Sacraments included in all that) Peace!

          • LuppersMom

            “Get lost loser”? Whose mother did not teach manners? Just wondering. No opinion about the other malarkey.

          • Clearhead

            @ “Abbey” — Perhaps you’d care to reiterate “EXACTLY what ‘he’ said”. And while you’re at it, you might also define who ‘he’ is. And thirdly, what seems to be supporting “you idiot” ‘ s ” twisted thinking” is LOGIC. (What’s supporting yours?)

          • JorgeGeorge777

            Abbey, if you are Christian you must understand the act of homosexuality is a sin. If you do not believe it is a sin you CANNOT be a Christian. You can call yourself a Christian, but you are not.

          • Centipede Galaga

            yes, all sexual thoughts or acts outside of Marriage are sinful. But, the inclination to do these things is not necessarily sinful. Avoiding temptation to sin is virtuous. Even if you have temptation, you can be a great saint, if you ask God for His grace and cooperate with Him.

          • Derek Derek

            lol

          • Rockut

            That was an exaggeration by the press.

          • Natassia

            The pope is an idiot, but he did not say you could go to heaven without believing in God. Next time actually READ the pope’s quotes rather than believing a sensational headline.

          • TexasGirl

            Um, your psychic ability is not working very well. I didn’t read a “sensational headline”; I read several articles. Here is a quote from one from none other than the Huffington Post:

            <<>>
            He is talking about not believing in God but following one’s conscience. Although he doesn’t explicitly say you will go to heaven, that’s exactly what he’s at least hinting at.
            “Next time actually KNOW what you’re talking about before opening your mouth.” :)

          • Bad1212

            He has not softened his stance on the behaviour of gays. The church has always taught:hate the sin, love the sinner.

          • Northwest_Raised

            Tribulation is coming. Stay strong.

          • Winston

            I agree. The smoke of satan entered the Catholic Church a long time ago. The Jesuits are evil and many are Freemasons. The Vatican is the center if deception and false prophets. All must research. I was born catholic but had to divest myself from its plagues. Research.

          • Chris L

            Winston,
            I see your comments are not back up by links to factual evidence of what you state. Sorry to hear to turned your back on the One True Church Jesus founded.

          • Greg Dixon

            No, he said Catholic – not Orthodox.

          • Clearhead

            @ “Chris” — Speaking of ‘backing up by links to factual evidence’ would you like to back up your “One True Church” notion? How about ‘calling many men on earth FATHER’ ? Or maybe your alteration of the Second Commandment? You can access these questions by Kindle or by hard copy of the Holy Bible. (Oh! and don’t forget “purgatory”). Oh wait, the vatican voted that out a few years ago — my bad.

          • Winston

            Don’t make me laugh. . . one true church. Perhaps the eastern orthodox church but not the roman catholic church. Read Petrus Romanus and go through the citations in the end notes. Some good sources in it. Exo-Vaticana also has good sources for research. More than 800 sources.
            The history of the catholic church and the popes is deplorable. Research dark ages/renaissance church history. You may wish to get some historical documentaries as well. You must be pretty young if you haven’t come across any of this information yet in your life.
            I have not turned my back on Jesus Christ. I am a devout Christian and trust in biblical principles. However, the RCC has lost my Sunday offering.

          • nonosays

            Praying for you, along with Pope Francis1, Vicar of Christ.

          • Winston

            Do you know what “Vicar of Christ” means? Vicar means “instead of.” The pope in no way is comparable to Jesus Christ nor is he nor any other pope infallible. The Catholic Church declared the popes infallible. If you read more about the popes throughout history, you would certainly know they are not infallible. Many have been satanic.

          • 1twothree4
          • Winston

            Read Petrus Romanus. There is quite a bit of information about VATT in the book. Citations in the endnotes are terrific for research too.

          • plantgrrl

            Yup. Jesuit scientist aren’t entitled to fun or light-heartedness. Oh the humanity! Astronomy has a history of humorously named acronyms, my husband works in astronomy, so I’ve seen them all. If you’re gonna cite things at least be accurate though, LUCIFER is the spectrascopic camera on the telescope and is more like a reference to Venus, the morning star, not the fallen angel you kids call Satan. Get thee to an education, before you vomit on the internet: http://www.wnd.com/2013/01/what-the-devil-scientists-tap-power-of-lucifer/

          • Clee White

            Oh, thanks for clearing that up for me, deary.

          • TedCrunch

            L.U.C.I.F.E.R is an acronym for “Large Binocular Telescope Near-infrared Utility with Camera and Integral Field Unit for Extragalactic Research.” It belongs to the University of Arizona, not the Vatican who is simply using it.

            The angel Lucifer’s name means ‘Son of the Morning.’ God took that name from him when he led the rebellion, and gave him the name of ‘Satan’ which means ‘Betrayer.’

            We ought not to read more into this than necessary. However, I do agree with another commentator that Satan is the head of the Catholic church. But none of this has anything to do with the subject which is the United Methodist church. I could say a lot about the evils of that church, too, but it would be very lengthy.

          • Winston

            I know it’s an acronym. Do you have any idea how long it took them to fit an acronym to the name Lucifer? They claim they are looking for ETs but they know there are no ETs. These UFO sightings have been Lucifer and fallen angels. The Vatican is working with global powers toward one world government/one world religion and it won’t be Christianity.

          • Archie Bunker

            put your tin foil hat on

          • Winston

            I agree. You must read Petrus Romanus and Exo-Vaticana.

          • DWagner12

            Calvary United Methodist Church Methodists in West Philadelphia is not Catholic.
            So why have some bloggers come here to trash the Catholic Church ? Why isn’t the Methodist Church the subject of your distain? Is this just a excuse to trash a church that is against homosexuality and supports marriage between a man and a women?

          • Northwest_Raised

            Interesting. I’m not sure what to make of Francis yet…

          • standtall909

            No, Pope Francis does NOT CONDONE HOMOSEXUAL INTIMACIES. So misinterpreted what he said and Catholic bashers LOVE TO TWIST IT AROUND………He said that we should not CONDEMN the person that is same sex ATTRACTED! That is quite different that carrying out the sex act with someone of the same sex. Put it this way: I once heard a story that a priest shared with a group of us and goes as follows: At another gathering he was approached by a man who told him he was a homosexual. The priest responded to him…”You and I are quite alike…..God has called both of us to be CELEBATE.”

        • Mark Cofta

          That sums up modern American Christianity today: a bunch of haters who claim to speak for the god who preached love and tolerance. The only “debauched lifestyles” represented here are the fools who think that Jesus wants them to hate people. Read your own sacred texts! Stop listening to your “false teachers” who tell you that hating is the right thing to do.

          • apeon

            God ‘hates sin’—figure that out, the get back………

          • abbeyconway

            We KNOW what the texts, say! Obviously you are a homosexual who would twist ‘the truth’ to fit your deviant life style and make yourself feel better. Give it up. You are a pervert. No getting around it.

          • buffonelder101

            you are accusing mark of what you did to olderwoman… take your hypocrisy elsewhere… and mark how do you deal with “God hated esau.” that is in the scriptures so hatred therefore is acceptable as long as it is hatred of the ungodly

          • abbeyconway

            I’d say YOU are ungodly. A tool of Satan. No hypocrisy here. I don’t hate you because you are twisted. I hate what you do. I feel sorry for you. It must be hard going through life knowing there is something severely wrong with you. But don’t blame it on the normal people. Ain’t our fault. And don’t try to twist conscience into believe your perversions are normal. Truth is truth. You are losing.

          • buffonelder101

            wtf are you talking about? mark is wrong but that does not give you the right to be a hypocrite… never said you were ungodly… yet you turn it into name calling with capital letters… i think that says enough about your character to reaffirm my original rebuke of hypocrisy.

          • abbeyconway

            I didn’t see capital letters….let me try again. YOU ARE UNGODLY. YOU ARE TWISTED. YOU AREN”T NORMAL. YOU ARE PERVERTED. There. How’s that?

          • buffonelder101

            just a reminder
            you see the word “you” that you typed earlier… below is a copy and paste

            “I’d say YOU are ungodly”

            lucky for me your definition of ungodly and godly mean jack

          • abbeyconway

            ha, ha, ha, and your mother wears combat boots…..grow up, Buffoon!!!

          • buffonelder101

            grow up – meaning be able to communicate with derogatory accusations about combat boots? pretty sure you have no flames behind your smoke…

          • Clearhead

            “Dear Abbey” — You need help. Please contact Texas Girl for counselling.

          • Cahtolic shame

            Post of the day!!!!

          • buffonelder101

            and you obviously don’t know what the text say otherwise you would have referenced them…

          • abbeyconway

            Homos and atheists ALWAYS have biblical text at the ready, even though they are out of context. You people have your wires crossed. Face it. You are sick….and not normal.

          • buffonelder101

            so you let them use your weapon against you? and i think you are confusing me with a homosexual and atheist… i detest both… but i detest people more that only pick and choose from the bible and ignore other parts. and although i disagree with ben in his conclusions, his text was never taken out of context. that is weak reply from someone that has no answer but refuse to accept a rebuke

          • Clearhead

            Lighten up, Abigail — your demeaning rhetoric is hurting only yourself. You are one of God’s children, but so are the queers. Live your own life according to scripture, but when you see one of your brothers or sisters falling away, try praying for them instead of bashing them with your superiorisitc and accusative words. You don’t have to ‘tell on them’ — God knows it all, including YOUR heart.

          • Clearhead

            Judge not, Abbey, that you may not be judged.

          • Cahtolic shame

            You make a fine representative of the Catholic church.

          • jbourneidentity

            Nice twisting of Scripture, Mark. I see this is not your first time. I’m continually amazed at how you leftists will call out Christians at the blink of an eye because they don’t agree with homosexual behavior, but I’ve yet to see you or your ilk call out Muslims, who murder homosexuals by the thousands each year. Perhaps it’s because you know Christians won’t behead you, yes? When will you, or other liberals, have the courage to speak to former homosexuals who left the lifestyle because it has destroyed their lives? Christians teach tolerance of sinners, not the sin.

          • Archie Bunker

            there are boat loads of conservatives who think its a joke to think gays are sinners and that they dont care if they get married

          • tubaman

            you are absolutely WRONG.Gays are sinners as well as all humanity.Every one sins in one form or another!!!NO ONE is sinless.

          • abbeyconway

            wow…you are so deep….

          • Anonymous

            Anyone who hates and points at others is committing a bigger sin.

          • Clearhead

            And that boat (with the big hole in its bottom) is sinking off the coast of California.

          • Cahtolic shame

            This has NOTHING to do with conservatives. Nice try, though.

          • Archie Bunker

            you cant see that i was replying to someones comment in which he talks about religion, libs, and cons? nice try, though.

          • Anonymous

            Are you suggesting that homosexuality ruins lives? You are unbelievable… Do you think that denying oneself doesn’t ruin more lives than indulging in what some anachronistic group sees as a sin?

          • Centipede Galaga

            nobody ever died from not getting married. And marriage and human sexuality are ordered to procreation and building society. Anything that frustrates marriage does ruin society.

          • Andy

            Thank you . My post would have gotten me banned for life after reading all the stupid posts from non believers and the new Nazi Party the so called “Liberals “.

          • like I CM

            who’s hating Mark? or are you buying into the new practice of calling truth hate? Please say it isn’t so

          • tubaman

            you don’t hate homosexuals but the homosexual life style is still a sin in Gods eyes.

          • seanpatriot

            Im an atheist and even I know it says NOTHING about God having tolerance, CLOWN

          • Mark Cofta

            Really? So Jesus never said anything about “love thy neighbor as thyself.” It’s one of the core teachings of the New Testament and the main theme of everything Jesus is reported to have said in the Gospels. Dumbass.

        • Craig Gleason

          Yes Wayne, maybe they do know, but as much as those that killed the Lord knew what they were doing the standard holds true for believers. God knows what they are doing too, and He’s not surprised nor alarmed. He’s a God of grace and a God of judgement, we stand humbly before Him and pray that we don’t fall into temptation and get trapped by the lies of our own hearts and the world.

          • Craig Gleason

            Wayne, I’m looking at the text and thinking that where it says “they will bring swift destruction upon themselves”. The cons and the evil minded haters of God who are wolf in sheeps clothing know what their own actions are, but, certainly don’t know or believe the consequences, who would purposely bring “swift destruction” upon themselves. That’s why I said they are blind and do not see, have ears, but do not hear. God is not mocked, and He is not surprised.

        • MayaAyala

          Wow! The Bible even talks about how people would eventually follow after their own lusts and still name the name of Jesus.

          What a shame!

          One this is for certain: These are NOT “Christians” by the Biblical definition and the “Jesus” that they follow is not the Jesus found in the Bible!

        • Bob Jones

          It’s not a church. It’s a place where people pretend to be Christians.

      • Engage Gray Matter

        And we should pray for ourselves as well Craig that while we may work to renounce sin even within ourselves, we do not give in to the temptation to judge others. That’s God’s job. All human life should be treated with dignity and respect. Your post is quite apt. We should strive to remove hate and malice from our hearts. Well said.

        But I still like to stick it to politicians of all political stripes…. It is my weakness…

        • Craig Gleason

          A lot of people throughout history have made the assumption that we are “not to judge”. In fact we do “judge” but we judge things by the spirit to see if they are true or not. In other words we “test” them and see if they line up. Condemning a person to hell is not our seat to sit on. We don’t know the heart of a man, only the Lord does. Our hearts our deceitful and lie to us so much that we don’t even know the truth sometimes, that is where scripture and the Spirit of God come in to play. But to say “This guy/gal are going to hell because of their deviant lifestyle, etc” is not our place. Look at John Newton, who wrote Amazing Grace. His lifestyle would have sent him to hell, if he had died and not repented and turned to God. Until our last breath, the jury is still out.

          • bonch

            By your logic, if Hitler had repented in the bunker and accepted Jesus into his heart, he’d be in Heaven. That means you can do whatever you want and then repent at the very end of your life. In your imaginary moral landscape, there is no justice or punishment.

          • Craig Gleason

            Bonch, You are asking all the same questions, in the same way I asked them in
            times past. And I appreciate your input and your questions. However,
            I’m not too keen on your sarcasm calling my understanding “imaginary
            moral landscape”. If you would like to continue this conversation I
            will, but not if you’re too immature and arrogant to keep your comments
            polite. It’s you who have need of the truth, not me and I am willing to
            converse with you to a point. But again, ultimately, you must repent
            and turn to God on your own, I’m not going to be standing there with
            you, it’s between you and God. yes…., If Hitler had repented in the bunker and accepted Jesus into his heart, given the fact that God would have called him and given him the faith to believe, he would be in heaven. God is very much a God of justice and punishment and according scripture we all do things that demand judgement and punishment. Hitler’s issues just were very obvious and well known, yours and mine may not be. That’s the purpose of the gospel, those who call on the name of Jesus, AFTER being called by God, will be saved and forgiven.

          • bonch

            Obviously, I’m not a believer in your religion, so I don’t know why you think it’s effective to tell me that I need to repent and believe in your god.

            I just want everyone to read your post and see that, according to your religion, Hitler will be in heaven with you when you die. So one can be one of the most evil people in history, and all they have to do is repent at the very end of their life, and they won’t be punished for it.

            That is not morality or justice. That’s a “get out of jail free” card that lets people get away with the most heinous of crimes and still find divine reward. It’s hypocrisy.

          • Craig Gleason

            Ok Bonch, one more time. I didn’t say Hitler will be in heaven. Go back and read what I said. Again, I appreciate the dialogue, but your arguments and lashing out are not new. It’s not appropriate to misquote someone and if you’re not going to take the time to read what I say and understand it then we are wasting our time. And you may one day hope you have a “get out of jail free” card. But the card you’re referring to isn’t free, a heavy price was paid for it. The life of Christ, who you seem to not believe. So the point is moot to you. Have a good week.

          • bonch

            You said this:

            “If Hitler had repented in the bunker and accepted Jesus into his heart, given the fact that God would have called him and given him the faith to believe, he would be in heaven.”

            That means you said Hitler would be in heaven. You call this “lashing out” when I’m simply challenging you on your extraordinary claims.

            I don’t believe in the divinity of Jesus (if he existed at all) because you haven’t offered any proof to support it. Obviously, I’m not going to just believe something without any evidence simply because it makes you feel good to believe in it.

            You already know what it’s like not to believe in a religion because you don’t worship Poseidon or Allah. I’m just doing you one better.

      • Betsy Smith

        I pray for God to bless my enemies everyday. I do it in obedience, but I think it still helps me to remember their humanity and I, like Him, do not want any to perish.

        • Craig Gleason

          Yes

      • bonch

        What is “anti-God” about two people loving each other?

        • Craig Gleason

          Bonch, did I say it was anti-God about two people loving each other? Was I referring to a 35 year old man and a 10 year old girl? Which two love each other?

          • bonch

            Yes, you said it was anti-God for two people to romantically love each other. A 10 year old girl and a 35 year old man can’t romantically love each other.

            Now you’re comparing homosexuality to pedophilia. This is what Christianity does to people’s minds.

      • BusProf

        You do realize they are thespians?

      • Winston

        Time is short too.

    • BenDoverPls

      Amen.

    • SickOfTheStupid

      why are those that worship a ‘loving’ god so hate filled ?

      • gary

        disliking something is not hating. I bet I would dislike you based on your post but it doesn’t follow that I hate you. And your comment is so cliche and has been used so much and is just ignorant. And no saying that you are ignorant doesn;t mean I hate you. Actually our “loving” God hates sin and commands those who believe in Him to hate sin as well.

        • bonch

          Why would an all-powerful supernatural entity care which gender you sleep with? It’s so far removed from anything that matters.

        • SickOfTheStupid

          are we talking the old testament god that burned down city’s and flooded the earth or the new testament god that when asked how many times should one forgive the same sin said 7x 70 ? You know the one that said you should renounce sin in your own life but should not judge others , least you be judged

      • apeon

        Sick of the Stupid—sounds Hate Filled to me—–but then we who worship a Loving God—also hate stooopidity

      • Betsy Smith

        Why do you equate hate with calling sin a sin? My loving God, calls sin sin. Is he hate filled?

    • Markangelo

      It is a story about
      a roman christian boy & a jewish girl.
      It does not end well.
      Did you hear the one about Shakey
      being a secret Catholic in Protestant England

      • OlderWoman

        The story is about the ‘war’ between two Mafia families.

    • OlderWoman

      The United Methodist church in my town is linked with a local Communist group. Face it, it is an apostate church whose focus is to be politically correct rather than to serve the true Jesus Christ. They aren’t following scripture at all.

      • Betsy Smith

        I know. It is so sad. The flock is hungry and they are feeding the wolves.

        • buffonelder101

          like sheep i send you amongst the wolves

    • Mark Cofta

      If you promoted the gospel of JC, you wouldn’t be hating. The “deviancy” here is so-called Christians promoting hate instead of what your god taught. And how is portraying “promoting”? You’re so focused on hating people who love each other that you don’t make any sense.

      • Betsy Smith

        I don’t hate anybody. I love and have loved quite a few gay people, but the Bible teaches that homosexuality is a sin and having a lesbian version of Romeo and Juliet in a church is promoting the idea that the Bible does not condemn homosexuality as sin which it does.

        • bonch

          Do you have any original thoughts of your own or do you derive all your moral judgements from an old book of Sumero-Babylonian mythologies? If your justification for everything you believe is “the Bible says…” then you don’t actually have any good reasons to believe it.

          • buffonelder101

            study those mythologies a bit more and you will see that they are no where near analogous to the story told in scripture… good try though

          • bonch

            You’re incorrect. Genesis is based on earlier mythologies involving seven generations of gods, who created mankind in the sixth generation so the seventh generation could rest. Through oral tradition, the generations of gods became days under one god. Jesus is similar to Mithra, who was born of a virgin, was crucified, and was resurrected.

          • buffonelder101

            says you… nimrod worship explains it just as well with out the need to hold the false belief that genesis was plagiarized.

          • bonch

            So you don’t have a response to the similarities between Genesis and prior myths in that region of the world? There was even a Babylonian character named Adamah, formed from the clay by the Goddess of the Earth. The idea of Adam’s rib was taken from a Sumerian Goddess who formed infants’ bones from their mothers’ ribs.

          • Betsy Smith

            If I have once reached my destination should I leave for the sake of variety?
            I searched for truth. I found it. I’m not leaving.

          • bonch

            Yes, if your destination was reached for bad reasons.

            Does it not sway you that historians have traced the man-made origins of the Bible, particularly the Sumero-Babylonian mythologies of the Old Testament? Seven days used to be seven generations of gods. During the sixth generation of gods, mankind was created so that the seventh generation of gods could rest. There are even tablets and sculptures of these old myths.

          • Betsy Smith

            God came first. You are describing pagan representations of their interpretations of their origins and place in the universe. I don’t see what that has to do with man’s experience with God as depicted in the Bible.

          • bonch

            You haven’t yet provided proof that God exists, so to tell me “God came first” doesn’t mean anything to me. You also did not address the similarity between these pre-Genesis myths and the stories of Genesis. These similarities illustrate the manmade origins of the Bible.

          • Betsy Smith

            I agree with C.S. Lewis. These are just shadows and reflections of the real thing. Good fortune to you. I have to go.

          • bonch

            But you don’t have any evidence to back that assertion. I’ve asked you why you believe what you do, and you can only respond that you have a feeling. This is unconvincing.

          • Betsy Smith

            I’m not trying to convince you. I am trying to answer your question.

            I hate to go off topic but you believe in evolution, don’t you? You believe in Darwinian Revolution where one species evolves into another? Can this this be duplicated, measured, observed? I’m not talking natural selection, adaptation, or any of the changes we see within one group. I’m talking about one species becoming another. There is no physical evidence to support this belief and yet it is believed by many, many people. Why?

          • bonch

            Yes, evolution can be measured and observed, and there is copious physical evidence to support it.

            When you ask if it has been observed for one species to “become” another, you are asking for a direct witness to a process that takes millions of years. The observation of the change in a species comes from the fossil record and from genetics. Creationists will lie to you and tell you that there are no transitional fossils, but there are thousands of them.

            Did you know whales have leg bones embedded in their flesh? That’s because millions of years ago, they were land-walking animals, not unlike deer.

            Did you know you grew a coat of fur as an embryo and then shed it? Did you know you also had a tail? Did you know dolphin embryos grow hind leg buds?

            Did you know the laryngeal nerve, which regulates breathing and swallowing, takes an inefficient path from under your brain, down the neck, around the heart, and back up to end about two inches from where it started? A designer would just make the nerve take the most direct path, but it takes a highly inefficient path. That’s because land animals evolved from fish, which have no necks, and the laryngeal nerve connects right to the gills in fish. In a giraffe, the laryngeal nerve actually travels all the way down the neck and all the way back up again! Evolution can’t disconnect a nerve and reconnect it without harming the animal, so it simply adapts to the mammalian neck.

            Don’t waste your time not believing in evolution. It is an observed fact that even the Catholic Church accepts.

          • Betsy Smith

            Why did man lose all that body hair and strength that apes have? What would be the advantage in that?

          • bonch

            You should read up on the evolution of humanity, as it is fascinating. The answer to your question is this:

            Human bodies come from an evolutionary adaptation to endurance running on the African savannah. Our bottoms are so big because the gluteus maximus muscles are flexed when running. Our waists are narrower than other primates so that we can twist them when we run, to maintain balance.

            However, the temperatures when running on the savannah are lethal, and most animals hide in the shade during the day and regulate their body temperatures by panting. Human ancestors adapted by losing their fur and developing sweat glands all over the body to deposit moisture to cool them. Our ancestors likely fled from predators or chased prey until the animals could no longer cope with their exhaustion.

            Fossils of human ancestors have been discovered with brain sizes about 2/3rd the size of modern humans but with an upright posture designed for endurance running. For example, a specific muscle only found in humans is attached to a ridge on the back of our skull, balancing our heads when we run. This ridge is also found in these ancient fossils.

            The evolution of humans is a fascinating topic, and you’ll be surprised at how much we know if you take a look. Many creationists keep this information hidden from other Christians, but it is common knowledge in the scientific world, and the evidence is readily available.

      • buffonelder101

        you have a crappy definition of the word hate… one you use for your advantage and to justify your sinful ways… calling sin sin is not hateful anymore than rebuking a child that is doing something he should not be doing…. the correct term is rebuke but since you do not wish to accept the rebuke then you must feign superiority and accuse everyone else of hatred when it is you that is filled with it towards your creator….

    • whattim

      that is what the priests are wondering while they play with young boys. As long as homosexual activity in the church is hidden, it is okay. what a joke

      • Betsy Smith

        Any priest who hurts children will truly regret it when the one who calls the shots gets a hold of him.

        • whattim

          so will these people. so no harm no foul?

          • Betsy Smith

            I would like to see every adult abusing children caught and punished. If more were publicly exposed and prosecuted, there would be a whole lot less of it going on.
            Still, according to Jesus, it would be better for these people on the day of judgement if they had never been born.

          • whattim

            fair enough.

    • Chris L

      You are absolutely right Betsy. Immoral deviant sexual behavior has always been the #1 temptation of mankind. Yet, the good Lord designed us for healthy, happy, satisfying, sexual bliss in holy matrimony between one man & one woman. I find that more exciting & fulfilling than the world, the flesh & devils debauchery.

      • Betsy Smith

        I don’t want to get too personal here, but I agree.

      • bonch

        Homosexuals are born as they are. It even occurs in other animal species. Your crazy bigotry is the reason religiosity is on the decline worldwide.

    • bonch

      The world disagrees with your bigotry.

      • Betsy Smith

        I am a Christian. The Bible calls homosexuality sin. I do my best not to disagree with God. He has my back.

        • bonch

          Do you agree with God’s decision to order Abraham to kill his own son? What about God’s command to slaughter the Canaanites, including the women and children? What about Jesus commanding slaves to obey their masters, especially if those masters are cruel?

          The Bible is an instruction manual for slavery and genocide. If the Christian god actually existed, it would be your moral obligation to find a way to depose him and punish him for crimes against humanity.

          • Betsy Smith

            God had promised Abraham that his descendents would be as numerous as grains of sand on a beach. Abraham reasoned that it was God’s plan to bring his son back to life if he obeyed him and sacrificed his son. It was a test of faith and he passed.
            God has the right to do anything he chooses with his own creation. There are numerous examples where he destroyed those he had created. He’s God. He gets to do that.
            Jesus did tell slaves to obey their masters and serve them well, whether they were being watched or not. He also told masters to be kind to their slaves as the Hebrews had been slaves themselves in Egypt and should have compassion for them.
            It’s hard for me to reconcile, “Love your neighbor as you love yourself,” with slavery and genocide, but the bottom line is when you’re God you get to do what you want. That’s what makes you God. Still, as we are told in the book of Romans, that there is a God and what kind of God he is is evident by creation so all men are without excuse.

          • bonch

            I want to be very clear on this. If God has the right do anything he chooses, that means it’s okay when he orders genocide to be committed in his name?

            That’s called divine command theory, and it is highly immoral because it means any evil act can be done in God’s name, and the committer of the act will believe they have the right of divine will. The 9/11 hijackers believed they were doing what God wanted.

          • Betsy Smith

            Yes, anyone can believe what they are doing is God’s will, but that doesn’t change the fact that God as the actual creator of all things has the right and the ability to do with them as he pleases. I’m just repeating what he told Job.

          • bonch

            You’re citing the Bible to prove the validity of the Bible, which is circular logic. Why do you believe the Bible is true?

          • Betsy Smith

            I recognized it as truth.

          • bonch

            How did you recognize it as truth?

          • Betsy Smith

            Something inside of me. Like when you feel something in the dark, you can’t see it, but you know what it is.

          • bonch

            So, a feeling? You had a feeling after you had already convinced yourself it was true? And you don’t see the possibility of self-delusion in that?

          • Betsy Smith

            I did not convince myself it was true. The Gospel itself convinced me it was true.
            Feelings? You never paid attention to a feeling? How about a feeling of danger, that gut feeling, the feeling of falling in love?

          • bonch

            You already said that you sat down already willing to believe it was true. You convinced yourself it was true before you started.

            I pay attention to feelings, but I don’t accept them as evidence for extraordinary claims. That would illustrate a lack of critical thinking.

          • Betsy Smith

            A willingness to believe is not the same thing as being convinced of its truth. The fact that you say it does illustrates a lack of critical thinking.

          • bonch

            If you mean “willingness to believe” to mean “open-minded”, then that’s not the issue. What you have been telling me is that you read the Bible and “recognized it to be true”, and you don’t explain why or how you recognized it to be true. It is based entirely on a feeling you have. That’s a terrible reason to believe in something. If you had read the Quran and had the same feeling, would you become a Muslim? Christianity is just one of many religions in the world.

          • Betsy Smith

            I recognized it as truth. I was trying to put it into terms you might understand.
            I think the reality of God and his love for us is something we can recognize because in some way we have experienced it before.

          • bonch

            Since you won’t explain further what “recognized it as truth” entails, I’ll ask you what you use to determine the truth of something. Do you go by evidence or do you go by personal feelings?

            If a Muslim says they have the same personal recognition of truth when they read the Quran, how is their recognition of truth less valid than yours for the Bible?

          • Betsy Smith

            This is my last reply to any of your posts because I have to get back to my life now.
            From what you have written I believe you are swayed by what other people have written to explain the world around us. When I was in college one of my instructors started out his class with the statement that there were a certain average number of mistakes on any given page of any given book. He shook me to the core. I wouldn’t say I believed everything I read, but the idea that what I read might be full of mistakes upset me because I read all the time. I was the kid in class that knew the answers. If the information I got from books was wrong, what did I have?
            I think I was always a critical thinker, but I stopped assuming the information I was reading was correct and I started to question all experts.
            I suggest you do the same. You are bright and inquisitive, but you seem willing to believe anything someone in authority tells you. Realize your books are written by people just like you. Sometimes the are deluded, sometimes they are trying to control you by controlling the information you receive.
            You say the Bible falls into the same category. I say it doesn’t. It says it is the inspired word of God and He speaks to me through it.
            He has given me faith, hope and love. I like it.

          • bonch

            I have been swayed by evidence. You are swayed by feelings.

            You accuse me of believing whatever I’m told, but I am the one asking questions and investigating, while you believe everything a book tells you because you have a feeling that it’s true.

            You haven’t yet offered any proof that the Bible is the inspired word of God, and you’ve ignored the slavery and genocide in the Bible which would reflect poorly on that god.

            You don’t care about the truth. You just care about how you feel. You are willing to believe in your religion because it makes you feel good, not because it’s true. Your mind is closed because of it.

          • Betsy Smith

            You would not accept any evidence I have to offer because these things are spiritually discerned and you reject all things spiritual.
            You put your faith in science which is constantly changing as new “evidence” comes to light.
            I did not become a Christian over night. I was once an atheist.
            I hope someday you will stop assuming that your sources of knowledge are reliable and learn to think for yourself. “God” gave you a brain. Use it.

          • bonch

            I don’t have “faith” in science. Faith is belief without evidence.

            Yes, science changes as it discovers new things. That is why it can be trusted, because it strives to prove itself wrong. Religion does not do this–it declares by fiat that it is correct and then rejects all evidence against it, shutting off investigation and critical thinking.

            You are the one making assumptions about your source of knowledge You haven’t proven there’s a god. That means you don’t have a good reason to believe what you believe. I think you simply like how it makes you feel. I don’t know why you’re getting angry at me for challenging you to prove your claims.

      • Betsy Smith

        There is nothing bigoted about the Gospel of Jesus Christ. He wants everybody but if you change your mind you are allowed to leave.

        • bonch

          That contradicts your anti-gay position. People are born gay. It even occurs in other animal species.

          • Betsy Smith

            People being born gay is recent phenomenon. It used to be a life style choice that they would fight to defend.

          • bonch

            You’re making assertions with no basis in evidence. At what point in history did people start being born gay? Why do you believe this? It also raises the question, why would your God start making people gay?

          • Betsy Smith

            You misunderstand my point.
            Until the 90′s I never heard anyone say that people were born gay. It was a decision they made for themselves. It was the lifestyle they chose to live. That’s what they said.
            But being born gay works better if you want your lifestyle to be perceived as completely natural and accepted in your society. And it is working. All somebody has to say is that homosexual acts are a sin and they are condemned. Children are taught in schools that it is wrong to think badly of homosexuality and many never question what they are taught.
            So, God didn’t make people gay. People make people gay.

          • bonch

            The point of time at which you personally started hearing people say they were born gay is completely irrelevant. They are born gay. You’ve obviously never even talked to a gay person and asked them. That is closed minded.

            Homosexuality even occurs naturally in other animals. Are the animals “choosing” to be gay?

          • Betsy Smith

            You are making amazing assumptions about someone you don’t know anything about. I spent a lot of time with gay guys in the 70s and they wanted the freedom to be gay. They wouldn’t have wanted to be trapped into being gay because they were born that way.
            In fact the biggest, “flamer,” I knew told me, “Don’t let them fool you, Betsy, they all like girls.” And from what I could see it was true. The only lesbians I knew changed their sexual preferences regularly.

            Animals are not gay. They enjoy genital stimulation and are not real choosey where it comes from.

          • bonch

            You are the one making assumptions about gay people, basing your views solely on anecdotes. Gay people are born gay. This isn’t even a question.

            You’re also ignorant about homosexuality in the animal kingdom. Homosexuality is observed to occur naturally, including pair bonding between those of the same sex. It’s more than simple genital stimulation.

            The only reason you have to be bigoted toward gay people is because of your religion. No evidence or logical investigation drove you to that conclusion. Does this not occur to you?

          • Betsy Smith

            You believe gay people are born that way based on current propaganda. There is no proof of it. You believe it because that’s what you have been taught.
            I don’t believe it because it contradicts what I know to be true from experience.
            Obviously, there can be very little same sex pairing in the animal kingdom since it does not further the propagation of the species. Even an evolutionist should recognize that.
            I am not bigoted against homosexuals. I consider it a sin like any other. We are all sinners.

          • bonch

            I believe gay people are born that way because gay people are born that way. We have the testimony of gay people who knew they were gay when they were children. Nobody is choosing to be gay; why would they choose a harder life in which they would be discriminated against by bigots?

            I’m not sure what your point is by mentioning that homosexuality in the animal kingdom doesn’t further the propagation of the species. That doesn’t change the fact that homosexuality is still observed to occur in the animal kingdom.

            You believe homosexuality is a deviant, immoral lifestyle. That is bigotry. What’s worse, it’s bigotry based on no good reason, because there’s no evidence that the Bible is true.

    • Don Miller

      I heard that this “church” is staging this play in order to publicize the change of its name to the Sodom and Gomorrah United Methodist Church, followed by a mass buring of its Bibles. Don’t believe me? Can there be any other explanation? Celebrate perversity!

      • Betsy Smith

        “Cute.”

    • flakingnapstich

      Good point. The Romeo and Juliet story is a perverse one, and always has been. Originally performed by two young men, one of whom was in drag, it was always about a horny youth taking advantage of an underage girl, resulting in both of them committing suicide.

      Frankly, this lesbian version is probably going to be the tamest one to date. It looks like they at least ages Juliet to the point of being able to legally consent.

      • Betsy Smith

        I read it as two, very young people overcome by passion who married in secret because their parents hated each other. It went down hill from there.

    • luxuria

      What does this have to do with Jesus or the pope or Jesuits or lucifer, you crazy nut jobs?

      • Betsy Smith

        Gay play in a church. Should be offensive to Christians who believe the Bible. Would you roast a pig in a mosque?

    • newguy40

      Well said, Betsy. It’s really not that difficult to understand, is it?

      “Satan loves a spectacle, success, glory, and applause. If Christ has chosen the cross, Satan has chosent he stage.”
      Fr. Livio Fanzaga, The Deceiver

      • Betsy Smith

        I’ve never heard that before.
        Thank you.

    • Andrés Valgarðsson

      Not everybody wants to spread stuff like the bible.

      I for one am all for spreading a message of love instead.

      • Betsy Smith

        If someone dies for you, isn’t that love?

        • Andrés Valgarðsson

          Not if they’re the one who set it up like that in the first place.

          None of the Christian narrative makes any sense. God had to become a human to take on the world’s sin so he could be killed to atone for the sin so he could forgive us?

          That’s an obvious ‘after-the-fact’ explanation for people who want to construct a narrative to suit their ends.

          It only works if you accept original sin.(which I don’t). It only works if you accept that original sin cannot be forgiven without death (which I wouldn’t, even if I did accept the point of original sin in the first place). It only works if you accept that responsibility for a sin is able to be transferred from one person to another (which I find absurd).

          Also, even if I accepted all those points, it wouldn’t be love if he’s only doing it to save us from himself. Or so that we’ll accept him as a good guy.

          “See what a nice guy I am, I’m not even punishing you right now….so long as you don’t commit any new sins…”

          So, I don’t accept the christian narrative, I don’t know why Christians do and I don’t know why they can’t accept that maybe some people would like to not live the same kind of life that they do.

          I’m not telling you not to worship what you want. I’m just calling you out for, when someone does something to promote love and equality, your first thought is “But that’s not the same kind of love that I would prefer, so you should stop and instead be more like me.”

          • Betsy Smith

            I also have wondered why it is set up the way it is. There was a time when I would have made similar arguments. From a human stand point it doesn’t make a lot of sense.

            Even the Bible says the cross is foolishness to those who don’t believe.
            I have come to the point where I bow to the superior wisdom of the creator of the universe. He can do as he wills with his own creation. That is my faith and I am secure in it.
            You have the right, God given and otherwise to believe what you will.
            I would never seek to deprive you or anyone else of that.
            This whole thread is about whether it is appropriate for a play celebrating lesbianism to be performed in a church. I say it is not and I have the right to believe that.
            The premise of Christianity is that God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son that whosoever believeth on him should not die but should receive everlasting life. I consider that the definition of love and I have the right to believe that also.

    • Tim O’Keefe

      “A rose by any other name would still smell as sweet.” Juliet

      Is it possible this Methodist Church is no longer as such and is actually an abandoned Methodist Church?

  • dixhandley

    2% of the population not only abnormal but deviant as well. Wait until obamas pals, the Islamists, take over!

  • Craig Gleason

    Just reading today in Mathew chapter 13.

    ‘YOU WILL KEEP ON HEARING, BUT WILL NOT UNDERSTAND;
    YOU WILL KEEP ON SEEING, BUT WILL NOT PERCEIVE;

    15FOR THE HEART OF THIS PEOPLE HAS BECOME DULL,
    WITH THEIR EARS THEY SCARCELY HEAR,
    AND THEY HAVE CLOSED THEIR EYES,
    OTHERWISE THEY WOULD SEE WITH THEIR EYES,
    HEAR WITH THEIR EARS,
    AND UNDERSTAND WITH THEIR HEART AND RETURN,
    AND I WOULD HEAL THEM.’

    • dixhandley

      Why? He’s probably a pedophile himself, or an enabler!

      • Craig Gleason

        Hey Dix, I can’t make that call ’cause I don’t follow him around day to day, but I do know that it says those who are blind don’t see. It means to me that although I despise what goes on and what some people allow in their lives, is something that they will be responsible for on the day of judgement. If this “pastor” is indeed aware and allowing this to go on in the name of God, he will be held to a high account. We all fall short for sure, but we’re also supposed to accept rebuke, correction and truth.

        • dixhandley

          Well Craig, the simple reason he’s letting the show go on is enough proof for me that’s he an enabler of some sort. We all know pedophiles seek out jobs that put them among young children. Look at how many priests have been found out, and I’m Catholic!

          • Craig Gleason

            Yes, Dix, but it’s not a simple truth. It’s complex for sure. The absolute truth though is God will deal with it. We are to expose darkness and when the person refuses to accept the light, we move on. As sick and perverted and evil as some people are, our mission is to reach those with ears that hear. I get ya though. Walk in love and remember that except by His grace we all could be leading a flock astray.

          • dixhandley

            Well thought out answer. God bless!

    • aubreyfarmer

      The same demons that inspired the Pharisees to call for the murder of Christ is alive and well in the Talmudic Jews of today.

  • tkdblkblt

    Most churches rely on donations from their congregation to sustain themselves and their ministers. I’d be curious to find out how this church makes out after this. I know I would not donate a penny more to them for allowing this.

    • Worn Wranglers

      Ah, but you must understand that the extremely liberal United Methodist church and those who attend actually think that this type of “inclusion” is “Christ-like.” The church high command condones the acceptance of perversion and deviancy. I know of United Methodist churches in the Bible Belt (not the left coast or the right coast) who actually allow practicing (and openly obvious) homosexuals act as ushers and pass the offering plate during worship services. Blasphemy!!!!

      P.S. If you were aware of this decades-long behavior, you wouldn’t have been contributing to them anyway.

  • Rich Rochester

    Just saying “church” doesn’t necessarily mean anything any more. This is obviously not a church that honors God’s holy word and follows His command to edify believers. Methodists have obviously followed Episcopalians in “Anything goes…….as long as it’s tasteful.”

  • RecoveringLiberal

    Methodists are known for their extreme liberalism. This is the way the devil gets into a church.

  • Tom1689

    It’s only been 10 years since the Supreme Court pretended to uphold the Constitution while they radically changed it, and invalidated the anti-sodomy laws in more than 30 states. (Lawrence v Texas) Since then the secular-progressive Christianity-haters are determined to radically change every aspect of society, including Elizabethan masterpieces, in order to cement the radical change that they want to ensure is made permanent. Well if the Philadelphia Curio Theatre Company wants to put on a lesbian play for an empty auditorium, chaos courtesy of the Supreme Court, fine. We’ll see how much longer it is tolerated by We the People. My guess is not much. It’ll probably all come to an end with America’s fiscal bankruptcy. After that cataclysm, We the People are very likely to say enough is enough with this out-of-control moral depravity.

    • NobodyzSpecialAnymore

      You know Tom, getting head from your wife is considered Sodomy. No kidding. Been married to the same woman for 33 years, I knew that before I was married. So, Hurray for L v T!!

    • aubreyfarmer

      Jews fund and manage every gay and lesbian organization in the US. While promoting homosexuality among the Gentiles they preach intolerance of the same lifestyle for Jews.

  • Itstoolate

    Sodomites are everywhere. The queers are in our faces hourly screaming, “we are normal”..They are not….They are queers, sick, perverted, freaks…Queers, you are not normal!
    Leviticus
    20:13
    “If
    a man practices homosexuality, having sex with another man as with a woman, both
    men have committed a detestable act. They must both be put to death, for they
    are guilty of a capital offense.”

    • aubreyfarmer

      That is under the old covenant. Christ specifically said in the Book of John that we are to love our fellow man. Christ also said that he did not come to condemn the world. Condemnation is upon His return. When the Pharisees wanted to stone the adultress what did Christ say? Which ever one of you that is without sin should cast the first stone. Hate the sin and not the sinner. That is the only way. We will all answer for our sins on the day of judgement. Those that have repented and accepted the gift of salvation will spend an eternity basking in the glory of our Lord. Those that have not repented will be cast into the fires of Hell where they will perish, body and soul. So much we have been told about Scripture was fabricated to elicit a response that would fill the coffers of those posing as the Vicker of Christ. The Catholic Bible has in fact deleted the Commandment about “Thou shalt make no graven images…” Catholicism is not Christianity. Churchianity is not Christianity.

      • OlderWoman

        Fellow man means like =minded Christians. Unbelievers are not ‘fellow men and women’.

      • oldag22

        The New Testament has a little to say about it too.

        1 Corinthians 6:9-11

        9 Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men[a] 10 nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.

        Romans 1:26-32

        26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. 27 In
        the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and
        were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts
        with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their
        error.

        28 Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done. 29 They
        have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and
        depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice.
        They are gossips, 30 slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; 31 they have no understanding, no fidelity, no love, no mercy. 32 Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.

  • Jim1937

    So disgusting I think I’ll puke!

  • JohnnyCuredents

    What are the Methodists doing? Hosting this pervert story? Why lend a bogus religious legitimacy to this personality disorder and those promoting it? These are publicity hounds. Next year they will make the actor on the balcony a sheep. Will the Methodists host that perversion circus as well?

  • Break Cont

    Which church is housing this? The liberal Methodist “church”. There are some good and true Christian churches, the Methodist church is not one of them. If you go to a Methodist church and consider yourself a Christian, find a new church, one that believes and professes the Bible.

  • Texas Patriot

    I realize that other sincere Christian denominations in Philly have nothing to do with this, but if they stay silent and do not protest this abomination, they become part of its propagation.

    • SamHamilton

      No they don’t.

  • SamHamilton

    Isn’t this so two years ago? I mean, if they really wanted to push the envelope, how about a straight Jewish Juliet falling in love with a transgender Muslim Romeo?

  • sea ray

    Homoslugs trying to rewrite history as usual

  • FredCDavis

    As long as people (Christians) keep supporting organizations that are clearly against Jesus Christ, the bible, righteousness, goodness, decency, order, truth this will continue. The church is the light of the world. However the church is increasingly supporting the darkness while decreasingly speaking against it. That is hypocrisy. Those who support these organizations are enabling garbage like this to happen. Come out from among them and be ye separate (2 Corinthians 6:17)

    • aubreyfarmer

      True religion is no more cruelly assaulted by no means than the pretense of religion itself. The airwaves are repleat with modern day Pharisees. The worst of the lot are those that call themselves by the oxymoron, Christian Zionist. How far off the righteous path organized religion has strayed.

  • Rob Anders

    Two points. 1) These are United Methodists. I’m sure this isn’t the first controversial thing that’s happened in this church. 2) Crap. Another guy out of work. Can’t even play the lead role in Romeo and Juliet any more.

  • http://codephined.com Daniel Brooks

    At least it isn’t a real church.

  • ralphie44

    welcome to the jeu world order
    listen to this verifiable audio list of the progenitors and leaders of the gay movement (another multigenerational project of organized jeuish power)

    the guy just gives up at the end.. he cant take anymore

    www (dot) filedropper(dot)com(slash)thelist3_1

  • oldag22

    I don’t get the whole notion of “Liberal Methodists”. I live in the South and am Methodist and I will tell you we are NOT liberal, we are against homosexuality and many other things usually thought of as liberal.
    Around here the Presbyterian church is known to have more liberal leanings.

    • Slim Picnic

      Better check in the UMC’s Book of Discipline

      • oldag22

        I have a copy and have read it, it does not allow for acceptance of homosexual lifestyles.

    • OlderWoman

      I live in the South and know for a fact that the United Methodist church is liberal to it’s core. It promotes political correctness. It is no longer a true Christian church.And you are right about the Presbyterian Church USA (PCUSA). However, the Presbyterian Church in America (PCA) is not affiliated with the PCUSA and does not promote perversion.

      • oldag22

        The one I attend is not that way; thankfully. In fact our Pastor often speaks out against these sort of things in his sermons. I know not all Churches are the same and some things are up to the Pastors discretion, but I can say that my church follows Biblical teachings on such things as homosexuality and other “worldly trends”. It’s a good Church with good leadership and I am blessed to have it that way, if that changes someday I would be forced, sadly to change my affiliation.

  • Sealdoc

    I keep reading this genre of commenting (must be somewhat related to what source articles I choose to read) & all I can think of is “where was everyone in 2008 & 2012 on Election Day) ? Anyone want to bet on who will be the next POTUS? I’ll give you a hint: her “best friend”, or should I suggest “partner” has ties to the Muslim Brotherhood! WAKE UP! Talk is cheap get off your butts and DO SOMETHING!

    • dixhandley

      I think America is suffering from Bush/Clinton fatigue. Don’t be so quick to pencil in this lesbian. First of all, everyone had her winning in 08 and we saw what happened there. Her tribbing partner, Hummer, is so ghastly to look at.

  • Wild Hog

    What do you expect in a blue city? Their audience will be GL. The church is for publicity.

  • Todd

    You can always rely on any article about gays that has a comment section to bring out the bible thumping religious loonies. LMAO

    • dixhandley

      Remember Todd, you’re only 2% of the population. It’s chic and fashionable to be a homosexual today, but don’t forget your diaper as you age. You’ll need them. Good luck, God speed.

      • OlderWoman

        He’ll probably contract anal cancer and die a slow and painful death.

        • dixhandley

          With his judgmental attitude, perhaps!

  • xsnake

    I would’ve guessed Unitarians. Decadence in America knows no bounds. Let’s pray for a lightning strike.

    • Off Duty

      Better…a meteor.

  • Shears_of_Atropos

    So is there nothing beyond being corrupted by the GLBT crowd? Should we remake Tristan and Isolde into Thelma and Irene? Maybe Gone With the Wind, except Rhett Butler becomes Reba Butler? No, no gender politics here. /sarc

  • JeffersonsGhost

    So what. Men used to cut off their balls to play women on stage.

    • OlderWoman

      The catholic church have “Castratos”. They have had their genitals removed to maintain their feminine voices.

      Another fact that proves catholicism is pagan and perverted.

  • KMA86

    Of course it is still a political statement, Ms. Apple, nice try. And it’s time for the Methodists to read Romans chapter 1.

  • Stu

    Rubbish.

  • quailblaster

    Those who support and defend such a dangerous and unhealthy sexual behavior border more on hatred than love.

    • aubreyfarmer

      How many lesbians come down with cancer of the throat born by the HPV virus.

      • OlderWoman

        That would be interesting to know. There are a number of diseases that plague the homosexual community for their perversions.

  • yerfackingmammy

    But I thought it was the City of Brotherly Love?!

  • yerfackingmammy

    philly’s been on the cutting edge of sexual deviance for decades. maybe even centuries.

  • NobodyzSpecialAnymore

    Calling the United Methodists a Church is like calling a matchstick a fire: While technically its correct, the description is not apt.
    Why? Well the United Methodist Church allows Lesbians to be Ministers, why wouldn’t they allow a farcical Romeo and Juliet? If they refused, well that would be news.

  • Usual Suspect

    If this is not a political statement, why do it in the first place? I suspect that real-life lesbians importuned the permissive [all inclusive] United Methodist Church. How sad that the UMW cannot remember the corollary to Jesus’ non-condemnation was his admonition to .. ‘go and sin no more’.

  • BenDoverPls

    They may both be straight, but I bet one of them enjoyed the kissing scenes more than the other.

  • LaCrika

    West Philadelphia born and raised…

  • Rich Wiley

    This is sooo exciting! I just can’t wait to not go.

  • Toidi

    Methodism isn’t religion anyway; it’s about as valid as Whiskeypalianism.

  • Texas Patriot

    Every Christian church and denomination in Philly should unite to formally and loudly denounce this particular Methodist house of blasphemy. Time for the good old boy of church business to end. Preachers and pastors have a tradition of not publicly calling out their “brothers” which is yet another form, the worst of all, of elitism. To not take off the robe and put on the armor of God, in a sense, this time will not do.

    • OlderWoman

      All Methodist churches promote deviancy. They’re all in apostasy.

  • Dencal26

    Why isn’t Rachel Gluck performing in a synagogue?

  • Judas_Christ

    Is there lesbian fisting involved?

    • dixhandley

      Just tribbing!

  • http://twistedmuser.com/ Twisted Muser

    The fact that the production is in a church, is a church issue. If they approve it then fine. The congreation has to then decide if it’s okay. Personally, I wouldn’t want any version of Romeo and Juliet in my church.

  • seanpatriot

    gross

  • IvanRider

    Not a political statement? Bullsh*t!!!! This is just a backdoor to using smoke and mirror antics at an apostate church to paint legitimate churches who’d never put up with this invasion of spiritual cancer as “bigots,” in a move to delegitimize true faith in the public eye. There is no other ideological reason to specifically want to use a church, and no other reason for a church building to knowingly go along with this charade.

    This is all part of an agenda first mentioned in “After the Ball” in 1992. It’s all well-timed and choreographed cultural brainwash to normalize the abnormal. And removing the cunnilingus components of it is a shallow attempt at sanitizing the subject matter to make it appear more acceptable.

    We already had a lesbian Romeo and Juliet story – it was called “Heavenly Creatures.” And the girls’ lesbian delusions drive them to commit murder – not suicide – by the end.

    • dixhandley

      Don’t say backdoor or you’ll have oodles of homosexuals sending your email invites!

  • mkshill

    What an utterly disgusting troupe! Typical for theater people, though.

  • espy

    I can just imagine Shakespeare spinning in his grave at what his works have been turned into.

    • Moral_Hazard

      Same here. Slight changes are cool, in my opinion. Patrick Stewart’s Othello where Othello is white and everyone else black is my idea of a good slight change. But vastly differing from Shakespeare’s idea of how the play should be degrades the play.

  • Jeebus

    You know…seems like *everyone* is shoving their agenda down my throat. Gay people who want to “marry”. Xtians who throw a hissy-fit over “Season’s Greetings” instead of merry xmas. Single moms who want to spew out as many kids as they can, and have *me* pay for their f*cking Malt-o-meal. The only ones who *aren’t* are the damned Druids. So, f*ck you all…I’m becoming a Druid. The rest of you can die slow, painful deaths by @ss-cancer.

  • JoeS

    WHY ? Whats the point? Shock value? Poor reason.

  • Clee White

    2 Corinthians 4:4 In their case the god of this world (Lucifer) has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, to keep them from seeing the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.

  • Trev1331

    Just as dressing circus elephants up in funny hats and making them dance does not alter our basic understanding of elephant behavior, the underlying Shakespeare is unchanged. This is a narcissistic stunt and theatrically uninteresting.

  • JoeS

    Methodism has come a long way baby !

    • OlderWoman

      Marching into hell….willingly.

  • Texas Patriot

    Mr. Fiorillo, you can elevate your level and brand of “journalism” to new heights by following this story. You’ve done a great job exposing the mindset of a silly twit of a so-called actress with the scruples and taste of a gutter ho. You’ve revealed the apostasy of a house of worship. Now do a follow-on piece with the reactions of the Philly religious community. It’s worth your time.

  • Johnny Crawford

    Everybody involved with this production is sick and deviant. Is this a Real Methodist Church? I don’t think so.

    • JoeS

      Oh, its real alright, another effort on the road to relativism.

  • Mike Gilmer

    Actually the United Methodist Church has become more theologically conservative over the years while the Presbyterian Church has become more liberal.

    • JoeS

      And I guess this stunt is proof-positive of this ‘conservative’ move????????

      • Mike Gilmer

        I was referring to the denomination as a whole, not the individual congregation referenced in this article.

    • Texas Patriot

      More liberal than this? Perhaps the next adapted play will feature bestiality.

    • zonable

      Wrong, the UMC has been an apostate church for decades.

      • Mike Gilmer

        Well, I am not going to enter into a debate with you as to whether or not the Methodists are apostate as I am not a Methodist or even a person of faith. I was only speaking of their trend in recent years as a denomination.

    • OlderWoman

      What a lie. To be exact it’s the PCUSA that is liberal. The PCA (Presbyterian Church in America) is conservative.

      And the UMC hasn’t been Conservative for decades. It has been promoting perversion since they allowed women to be pastors.

      • Mike Gilmer

        Actually I was referring to the PCUSA and it is not a lie. With the recent growth in membership in the Methodist denomination in the South coupled with a decline in membership in the more liberal North and West, the denomination has moved to a more conservative posture theologically than in the past. Now they are no where as conservative as the Baptists or Pentecostals, I will readily concede that.

  • Richard Dunnagan

    Classy

  • Dan Flathers

    Not a political statement.

    Right.

    …and Putin didn’t play the president, either.

    • dixhandley

      Play him? Well, Putin bytch slapped Urkel.

      • Tim O’Keefe

        I see Obama as more of a Rudy from Fat Albert sort of idiom not so much like Urkel.

    • Tim O’Keefe

      Putin is not the President of Russia yet. So as protocol would dictate was not the leader of Russia our president met with. If you really believe Putin never met with Obama then you are trying as hard to be willfully ignorant as you seem to when posting in the Salem news.

      • Dan Flathers

        What the blank are you talking about?

        • Tim O’Keefe

          You said Putin played President Obama. I am pleased that we may begin to work with the Russians, hopefully on energy acquisition. USA owes the Russians a lot

  • WTFrontyardAmerica

    They call themselves artist and they can’t even come up with their own story, they have to degrade someone else’s work.

  • abbeyconway

    Methodists aren’t much of a church. At least not a Christian church.They are like the Unitarians….the Church of What’s Happening Now.

    • ben

      “At least not a Christian church.”

      Re: No-True-Scotsman logical fallacy

      • abbeyconway

        HUH????

        • ben

          Look it up (I know that’s tough) – you’ll get it.

  • http://www.facebook.com/RichLehmann Rich Lehmann

    Oh, look its two women playing Romeo & Juliet, that has only been done for about 100 years, serious it has been done for over 100 years. American Theater has gotten almost as juvenile as American Theater patrons.

  • ben

    Good for them. Ignore the hypocrite bible thumping religious zealots.They are permanently stuck in a sad, sad world.

  • Embrace Reason

    Looks like Drudge sent over the evil American Taliban Christofascists this morning to spew their small-minded Christian “love”. What a sad bunch of hypocrites, trolling around for anything that will get their granny-panties in a bunch. Laughable hatemongers. Go ahead and down-vote this comment instead of actually going out and doing real good for others. You make me ill.

    • JoeS

      No, quite the opposite. This is not the way any self respecting Church, who claims to be Christian, to be operating it’s premises.

    • Shears_of_Atropos

      Take two aspirins, but don’t bother calling me in the morning.

    • Dan Flathers

      No irony in your posting. ..

      • Jack Davis

        Hi Dan. Nice to stumble upon you outside the SNEWS.

    • Camera3

      Hillary …. Is that you? Do you buy you’re granny-panties at a store called “Spinnakers”?

    • dixhandley

      Granny pants? You boys have to wear diapers after awhile due to the damaging of your anal lining. Don’t be so judgmental and hateful.

  • Texas Patriot

    Readers, contact the article author through his email above and demand a follow on story. This is what I sent him:

    Mr. Fiorillo, you can elevate your level and brand of “journalism” to new heights by following this story. You’ve done a great job exposing the mindset of a silly twit of a so-called actress with the scruples and taste of a gutter ho. You’ve revealed the apostasy of a house of worship. Now do a follow-on piece with the reactions of the Philly religious community. It’s worth your time.

  • Shears_of_Atropos

    How about 2 Pederasts from Verona? Much Ado About Fisting? Maybe, “As You Lick It”?

    BTW: The attack on the World Trade Center wasn’t political, it was performance art, with a heightened sense of danger.

    • Moral_Hazard

      “The taming of the wimp” where Kate is a dominatrix and Petruchio is a wimpy “man” who is shown his place.

    • Fungi2bewith

      Why would you cruelly say “2 Pederasts from Verona”? Who are you to decide who someone else should love? 3,000 years of discrimination is enough!

      P. S.: Loved your comment (sarc. off). You’re good! A smile played on my lips when you went on to say “performance art, with a heightened sense of danger.”
      The Play’s the thing!

  • Shagnasty1

    I’m really tired of today’s writers who have no more imagination than to bastardize the work of somebody else. Much of this is turning the creativity of others into a pro homosexual statement and most of that involves stories and movies which would interest impressionable children. When I was overseas with no TV available I heard up to 42% of TV programming showed homosexuals in a positive manner even though there was no need for that type of character to make the story. After returning home I saw it for myself. They are funny was the most common comment. My retort is that they are not just letting this character into your house but you are allowing homosexuality into your home. Many people don’t have a problem with homosexuality but most people do not want to be involved in that lifestyle but allow it into their homes via the TV. If you don’t like what is being depicted then don’t watch it and let the advertisers know you aren’t watching that type of programming. For this and other reasons I turned off my TV service and told them exactly why. I also quit attending and supporting any Lutheran ELCA church because they, like the Methodists and American Episcopalian Church quit teaching the Bible as written but rather teach the politically correct idea that homosexuality is an acceptable lifestyle.

  • no amnesty

    Oh brother! People are sick of the media and the arts promoting homosexuality. Wow you people REALLY are SICK! Can you accomplish anything in life with a conscience or integrity? NO.

  • corybantic

    Silly Protestants! God made both man and woman for a reason!

    • dixhandley

      Protestants make up their own rules as they go along. I know, I use to be one!

      • corybantic

        Ditto.

  • Moral_Hazard

    I think a theater company should do an adaptation of Romeo and Juliet where Romeo cheats on Juliet with another woman and embezzles money from his employer and then physically assaults Juliet in a drunken rage. It should be done in a church and be celebrated for its vivid portrayal of “alternative lifestyles” and “raw passion”. Romeo’s actions should be lauded as “good and wholesome” and any religious bible-thumping wackadoo who complains that such a production should not be done in a church should be derided and mocked for being a backward troglodyte. The rest of us normal folks can feel smug in our intellectual, moral, and cultural superiority.

    • OlderWoman

      It is a fact that homosexuals have violent relationship. The lesbians are the worst.

    • Moral_Hazard

      I assume the down voters are the bible-thumping wackadoos I am writing about. Shame on you for trying to force your religious “morals” on to others.

  • zonable

    Another deviant sortie by the LGBTs.

  • Charley McCarthy

    Timex theater…takes a lickin’ and keeps on tickin’…

  • justfedup52

    America have sunk into the abyss of evil…

  • gary

    when I read the headline of this I absolutely knew that it would be a Methodist church to do this.

  • David Camp

    That’s an appropriate picture for the play.
    Two women hanging their heads in shame.
    They should be!
    There is a Great White Throne Judgment that they will appear at, before a Holy God.
    Repent!

    • ben

      Prove it?

      • dixhandley

        It’s faith baby, faith. The same type of faith you have when you frolic with another of your kind and hope he doesn’t have AIDS. You have faith your anonymous partner is clean!

        • ben

          I’ll just go ahead and translate that to “I can’t prove that the invisible sky wizard, whose laws and words I mostly ignore, btw, is real and anything more than a figment of my imagination.”

          • dixhandley

            Hey Ben, you’re a liberal…what’s up with John Kerry’s right eye? Is it a lazy eye? Thanks!

          • ben

            Mm couldn’t tell you, what with being a conservative and all.

          • dixhandley

            Look again!

  • huwwuh

    The vessels of wrath are trying to make light of a terrible judgement.

  • James A. DeHart

    If you tell a lie often enough, the people will believe. Several generations must die off, before homosexuality is embraced by the masses, unfortunately for us that realize this is deviate behavior, we will need to accept what is being pushed into our lives. I will never drop anything into the weekly offering of any church that promotes the homosexual lifestyle. As Christ would do, he saw the evil among men, and told them what to do, if they ever desired to see him again. I am content to realize Christ and I may someday break bread, in a ‘pure’ environment.

  • TheBitterClinger1

    Let them-they bring damnation on themselves and heap coals on their own heads. All too much the western world turns to the Canaanite Gods of Child sacrifice, they worship Baal and Moloch and in pride think themselves agnostic and wise. They have hardened their hearts. These fools who deny Christ while invoking His name are in for a horrible eternity–

  • mgbjay

    I am totally fed up with this kind of pointless tripe. When are we as American society going to just stand up and say enough is enough. I am up to my freaking eyebrows with all the non-traditional portrayals of absolutely everything anymore. You want to be gay, by all means GO. Enjoy your choice. But please stop stuffing this crap down the throat of the American public. We are tired of all of it, gay rights, civil rights, black rights, Mexican rights, Hungarian rights, bald rights, left handed rights, rights for this and rights for that. Enough already. Go live your lives and have fun. How about the rights of the people that just want to live theirs without constantly being made aware of what everyone else’s goddamn rights are and their respective expression thereof?

    Get over yourselves already. Give it a rest.

  • http://www.navygentleman.com/cv2 Billyb9

    in the time of the play, women weren’t allowed to be actors on the stage.

    Perhaps this is just their way of getting back at Shakespeare.

    • ben

      “Perhaps this is just their way of getting back at Shakespeare”

      You believe that was Shakespeare’s rule?

  • obamunist

    send the queers and fags back into the closet. we don’t need to see thier perversions contantly flaunted in our faces, oprah and her worshippers love it, normal folks find it revolting.

    • ben

      I think the world would be a better place if the religious zealots would return to the closet, embarrassed by their intolerance, hatred, ignorance and fear.

      But don’t worry Christians – I put the Muslims in the same category as you, because your hatred and ignorance is just as strong and just as damaging as theirs is!

      • dixhandley

        Yes, but if the Muslims get a hold of you boys, they won’t tolerate anything you do! Better hope us Christians head them off at the pass! Or it’s lights out for you!

        • ben

          Nah. There are plenty of muslims in the US that are friendly, that fight in the army for us, and that have american values at heart. Coincidentally, the same values you lack.

          • bytchwhoknits

            Now the Koran says to kill homosexuals! Yet being a typical obedient liberal, you defend islam while you condemn christianity.

          • ben

            Leviticus 20:13

            ‘If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads

            Oh the irony, it is so very, very rich.

          • bytchwhoknits

            Irony? No, I was just pointing out your hypocrisy. Your hatred for christianity is so strong, that you would rather defend the violent religion of Islam. So, to die by the hands of a muslim is more palatable than to be shamed by the words of a christian?

          • ben

            bwahahaha you complain about muslims wanting to kill homosexuals, and when pointed out to the part of your own bible that says christians should kill homosexuals, you cannot see any irony? I am unsure what is wrong with your ability to think but you might want to see someone about it.

            “Your hatred for christianity is so strong”

            Nope, I hate all religions equally.

            “you would rather defend the violent religion of Islam”

            Maybe you missed the part where I said (and I quote) “I put the Muslims in the same category as you, because your hatred and ignorance is just as strong and just as damaging as theirs is”. Hm doesn’t sound like I’m defending them, does it. No, I think you’re ALL incredibly stupid.

            “So, to die by the hands of a muslim is more palatable than to be shamed by the words of a christian?”

            Killed by Christians killed by Muslims whats the difference. As far as being shamed by a Christian, that has never happened and never will. See, I don’t participate in your mass delusion.

          • dixhandley

            Do zombies have dreams? Because they find you boys, and they will chop that thang off!

      • msb204

        Well the same could be said of homosexuals.

  • apeon

    This is an “IN YOUR FACE” highway salute to Jesus, much like the “in your face” salutes the muslims have be doing at the World Trade Center……….

    • ben

      Interesting – being born a lesbian and not being afraid of religious fundamentalists is the same thing as killing thousands of people in a terrorist attack. That makes perfect sense!

      • dixhandley

        Just out of curiosity, do you flail your arms much?

        • ben

          Only during days ending in a “y”

          • dixhandley

            I thought so. Not too hard now!

    • ben

      P.S. The WTC has no connection whatsoever to your Jesus false idol.

  • Fluoric

    This story wins today’s award for the dumbest concept. Based on the topic and location, they can expect free marketing by eager reporters and editors.

  • rennyangel2

    Can’t argue with stoopidity.

  • ellen

    okay-you people are scary. I happen to attend Curio’s productions on a regular basis. They are an inventive theatre company, run by a happily married straight couple, among others. This concept for R&J is just another approach. People fall in love with another’s spirit/soul; who cares what “packaging” that spirit comes in. Your body just houses that spirit/soul. Philly theatre companies have done all sorts of plays about a variety of cultures, religions AND political views. We just love to start the conversation…

    • OlderWoman

      Bunkum. Don’t you get bored with your new age bunkum? You people are demented. Your brand of theology is a perversion of scripture.

    • Osama0bama

      Start the conversation with yourself .. in a gay bathhouse. That’s where you belong.

  • GAS33

    Hey! Nothing new! We’ve had the real (porn) version for at LEAST 50 years! This poor rendition with nothing ‘titillating’ should gather an audience of oh, say, 16 lezzies, and that figure INCLUDES their oh-so-tolerant-and-accepting-and-enlightened dim-o-crap, liberal parents!!!!! LMAO!!!

  • Joseph P. Campbell

    Just more evidence of the perverted decline of our society and some of the churches…

  • KenFedUpWithPC

    My Homeo!!

  • Fungi2bewith

    Why not Juliet and the 3 men she falls in love with? Why are we bound by the shackles of yesterday’s norms? Loosen up people! It’s a new day!

  • Jaz

    Why show it in a church though? They’re just trying to make people angry now.

    • Fungi2bewith

      They can’t just enjoy themselves. The need, nay, demand your approval and they will be IN YOUR FACE until you give it.

  • John K.

    I am sure the devout Methodists must be so proud! God help us all!

  • Bwhhaaa hhaaa hhaaaa

    Maybe they should be doing a gay version of Dante’s Inferno at this church? It seems like that would be much more appropriate, given the circumstances.

  • mgbjay

    … Homeo, oh Homeo, where for art thou Homeo?

    What’s all this hubbub about the two lead roles being Lebanese? I see nothing wrong with that. They have been making really really good goat cheese for hundreds of years.

  • bikerdogred1

    I live 800 miles away but I would hate too miss that play think someone can e-mail the video.

    • dixhandley

      If you want to get off, you can always google lesbian porn. I think it works the same way!

  • earldumarest

    United Methodist Churches have nothing to do with Christianity. Been that way for decades.

    • Osama0bama

      Same as the Episcopals, which are even worse!

  • P K

    Note to my self:don’t go to church.

  • juandos

    Why do he pervs think they have to make a statement?

    Who are these statements for besides other pervs?

    • Jason

      …he said while sporting a .50 cal avatar.

      • juandos

        Well of course limp wristed libtards just wet themselves silly over firearms…

        • Jason

          If I was a “libtard” i would have called it an assault rifle.

          • juandos

            Yeah, sure you would have…

          • Jason

            You’ve never even shot a .50 cal rifle, tough guy.

          • juandos

            You’ve never even shot a .50 cal rifle, tough guy“…

            ROFLMAO!

            Well hey if thinking that keeps you from wetting yourself then run with it…

          • Jason

            When you’re ready, just let me know, i’ll show you how to shoot my Marlin .22

          • juandos

            In your case is that squirt gun that is fashioned to look like a Marlin or is it just a stick that looks like a .22 in your mind?

  • Wonder Woman

    John 13:34-35
    New International Version (NIV)
    34 “A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. 35 By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another.”

    And, yes, I’m conservative – but as long as no one is actively hurting anyone else, what business is it of mine who someone chooses to love?

    • OlderWoman

      Jesus was teaching brotherly love among Christians.

      Clearly, the Methodist and PCUSA and the Church of Christ aren’t included. They are now in league with the catholic Whore of BAbylon.

      • Viscount Maclennan

        Sounds like you had a nice big glass of hate for breakfast.

    • ben

      The bible also says you should kill homosexuals. Are you a Christian or not? How many gays have you killed?

      • Wonder Woman

        I’m really hoping that’s sarcasm – I’d like to give you the benefit of the doubt

        • ben

          Leviticus 20:13

          ‘If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads

          You read the bible you claim to believe in? Right?

          • Viscount Maclennan

            You do know that there is an Old Testament and a New Testament right?

          • ben

            Of course! And Jesus did, too –

            Matthew 5:18

            “For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.”

            Get to murdering those gay people like your God commanded!

          • Viscount Maclennan

            So you saying that Jesus teachings were about killing gays? You need to change your thinking or you will be in for a rude awakening in hell.

          • ben

            *shrug* He said not one letter of the law would pass out numerous times:

            Matthew 15:4-7

            For God said, ‘Honor your father and mother’ and ‘Anyone who curses their father or mother is to be put to death.’ But you say that if anyone declares that what might have been used to help their father or mother is ‘devoted to God,’ they are not to ‘honor their father or mother’ with it. Thus you nullify the word of God for the sake of your tradition. You hypocrites! Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you

          • Viscount Maclennan

            You lack basic wisdom and speak nonsense and then you refer to Isaiah ? You poor dead soul.

          • buffonelder101

            nice way to resort to attacks when someone uses your own scripture against… instead of being a d!ck you should probably take the rebuke and admit you know nothing or very little about scripture

          • Viscount Maclennan

            You keep on with that loving personality of yours it’s so endearing.

          • ben

            Well I have been rebuffed, I must say. You have countered each and every point I have made with intelligent, well thought out counter-arguments and I must concede, your side of the argument is clearly the more compelling one. Victory to you, good sir.

          • buffonelder101

            actually there is only one testament… that of christ… Christ did not nullify the old testament… take your apostasy elsewhere

          • Wonder Woman

            For me, the bible is a source of comfort – a place to turn to when I need support and strength, and a place to share my love for and support of others. Remember that the Old Testament was a collection of religious writings by ancient Israelites – the New Testament was written by the disciples of Jesus, and there is a difference.

          • ben

            Of course there is a difference… well.. no there’s no difference. Jesus proselytized numerous times that not ONE LETTER of the law would drop out.

            Jesus doesn’t give a crap what the bible is “to you”. The bible clearly sets out its rules, and for you to claim that you can pick and choose which parts to follow is hypocrisy bordering on lunacy.

          • Wonder Woman

            I really feel sorry for you – what an angry person you are. I’ll pray that you find peace.

          • buffonelder101

            he is actually right…. and you are the one that we should have pity upon. who else beside a pathetic troll would call themselves wonder woman

          • buffonelder101

            the book says be slow to anger… not “don’t be angry”… righteous anger is good anger and if someone doesn’t hate what God hates and claims to be a follower of God, that person is lying

          • Wonder Woman

            Matthew 5:43-44 Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy. But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

            Matthew 22:37-40 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

          • buffonelder101

            if i didnt try to love you, why would i try to point out the flaws in your logic? and sorry i called you a troll… you aren’t but you still are a little dense. aside from that i have edit my previous comments to not be so degrading since you did quote scripture to support your point. yet sadly at the end of the day what scripture says in Duet is still what it says. but that is us disagreeing with God, and if there is one thing i am sure of, that is the losing side of things, even if it is the side we find ourselves on

          • ben

            Well I must say, that was a compelling and well thought out argument. As you have addressed each and every point that I have raised in an intelligent and forthright manner, I have no choice but to declare you the winner of this discussion. Yay you!

          • buffonelder101

            acts 10:34 (kjv) Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons

          • buffonelder101

            the bible isn’t about you… the self-centrist bs has to stop….

      • Viscount Maclennan

        Where did Jesus, as a Christian, tell people to kill gays? Your trolling is weak.

        • ben

          Luke 16:17

          “It is easier for heaven and earth to disappear than for the least stroke of a pen to drop out of the Law.”

          You fundamentalists really don’t bother to read the bible that you purport to love, do you?

          • Viscount Maclennan

            So Catholics are fundamentalists? Your ignorance about people of faith is on full display.

          • buffonelder101

            not fundamentalist… pagan

          • Viscount Maclennan

            Is it that easy for you to lie? There is help for sociopaths you know.

          • buffonelder101

            so how is not pagan? or are you just going to be a d!ck and attack like the mad dog you are…. btw what do you do with dogs that act the way you are?

          • Viscount Maclennan

            You are a classy and charming individual. Bet you have a lot of friends.

          • buffonelder101

            you gonna answer the question or play sissy and attack when you have nothing?

          • Viscount Maclennan

            It is useless to throw pearls before swine.

          • buffonelder101

            and like a dog you return to your vomit… see i am just as snide as you… so answer the question or continue to play the swine

          • Viscount Maclennan

            Your vomit is all over this thread.

          • buffonelder101

            you still haven’t answered the question…. you do know what questions are?

          • Viscount Maclennan

            Like how you change your comments on the fly. And you deserve no answer troll.

          • buffonelder101

            what was that reply then? and how have i changed my comments?… the bible does say death to homosexuals… i can’t argue with that… it does…. I will also restate again for the record that the “church of Rome” is pagan. If you have a problem with that you might want to look in the mirror. Never really understood fools that get worked up over my opinions and start name calling to distract from their own ignorance….

          • Viscount Maclennan

            Sorry not worked up at all. Believe what you want and take it up with God when the time comes.

          • buffonelder101

            will do…. and honestly, thanks for a reasonable response… things might have been different if you would have started off on that foot.

          • buffonelder101

            want to start a thread of compliments?

          • Viscount Maclennan

            Yeah things get a little heated. Have a good day.

          • buffonelder101

            you too…. i like debating over fists.. but when name calling starts (plenty guilt on my shoulders) it is hard to keep a proper decorum

          • buffonelder101

            the key aspect of the fundamentalist is their interpretation has more authority than the scripture it is derived from…. that way they don’t need scripture and can write their own “gospel.” perfect example of the sinful nature of man

          • ben

            K. That has what to do with my post, exactly?

        • buffonelder101

          Deuteronomy 20:13… it is there if you wish to read it… but not reading doesn’t make it not exist… fool

        • dixhandley

          Is Ben not one angry Q. He loathes his own character and takes out his frustrations on others!

    • Guest

      Love and sex are two different things.

  • jerry2286

    They promise it’s not a political statement? Obama makes promises all the time and how many of those have come to pass? This is clearly a political statement, otherwise they could have done the play in a public auditorium.

  • Ron G

    United Methodists are completely crazy.

  • Mick

    filthy thespians

  • Camera3

    Let’s turn everything into the opposite of what it really is …. now we are through the looking glass ….

  • bytchwhoknits

    I am ok with gay people…why can’t gay people be ok with religious people?

    • Jason

      Religions are lifestyles and almost all religions say “no” to gay. However there are religious gays.

    • ben

      According to the bible, homosexuals should be killed.

      Are you religious or not?

      • buffonelder101

        i have been defending you, but most religious people don’t read the bible. so please find better words

      • dixhandley

        You’re an angry Q, admit it. You hate yourself, so it’s easy to take out your frustrations on those different from you. You’re no different than us. We abhor you, you abhor us. Frankly, the homosexuals I know, there is no doubt in my mind they acquired this notion of loving other men, they weren’t born this way. Nothing is 100%, so maybe some were born this way, I don’t know. But, if you acted like men with male characteristics you might be tolerated by many more. It’s when you act effeminate which I think bothers most normal people.

        • ben

          omg I’m gay????? I had no idea!!! Please tell my wife and son for me, I apparently need to go have intercourse with copious amounts of men.

          • dixhandley

            Copious? Nice!

  • Jason

    The next production will try to present adultery as perfectly normal and acceptable.

    • buffonelder101

      they have been doing that for years… one gander at the divorce rate is all the evidence you need. the next logical step for the fecal smelling penis brigade is not adultery… there next goal will be the legitimization to themselves of child rape… these are sick ppl

  • bytchwhoknits

    I was talking with a liberal friend recently and she said that I am mean spirited when I put people down, her example was of things I said about Obama. Then in the same conversation she called Rush Limbaugh, Christians, and Religions a whole bunch of derogatory names. So, the liberal way is…..don’t say anything mean about Obama or his followers, that makes you a horrible person…but you can say anything you want about conservatives and Christians. Pure hypocrisy. I’m not even a conservative or Christian. I am more of an agnostic libertarian, but she is soooooo far to the left she views me up there with Rush!

    • ben

      Well that sure is relevant to this story… Have any pictures from your prom you’d like to share?

      • bytchwhoknits

        Your posts inspired me to mention one of many experiences I have had with hypocritical liberals.

  • ocean

    The Democrat Party and rich liberal elites are using
    homosexuals as pawns to destroy and outlaw Christianity.
    Liberals want a country without a Moral Compass.
    Homosexual marriage is a Marxist and Pagan abomination.
    Welcome to Totalitarianism.

  • ocean

    Homosexuality and Beastitly is perverted sex.
    Homosexuality and Beastitly are Life Styles of
    deviant sexual behavior that are a menace to society.
    Liberal Zombies want to brainwash and force the
    public into thinking these Life Styles are normal.
    The sexual perversion of these Life Styles will
    never be normal.

  • Jakki Kimball

    Methodist church? Wow, and all the time I was thinking it would be Westboro Baptist church!

    • Dan

      or an Episcopal church

  • ocean

    One cannot reason with a Homosexual.
    One cannot reason with a Transgender.
    They all have a sickness.
    They must seek help themselves.

    • ben

      “reason with”? It sounds like you’re saying that homosexuality is a choice, which is about as dumb as saying being black is a choice.

      • bddd

        It is a choice.

        • ben

          There is zero evidence to back up that idiotic position. Kind of like there is zero evidence that your invisible sky wizard exists.

          You know, we have “reason”, “logic”, “science”, etc for a purpose, right? They are what bring you cars, flight, computers, television, radio, cell phones, space travel, power tools, light bulbs, submarines, etc etc etc. Out of curiosity, what has your “God” brought to the world?

          • bddd

            Typical. Did I once mention God? You immediately supposed I am a Christian. Well, I am! See Christ forgives ALL sins. Seek help and live a full life.

          • ben

            Of course you are. Only religious fundamentalists believe the garbage you’re spewing.

            Now maybe you’d like to take a moment to respond to a single thing I’ve written above. Or just continue to ignore it?

            Oh that reminds me:

            “live a full life”

            You can also thank medical science for that. You know, from when the average life span was 24 years back when “Jesus” was walking around to now when it’s about 80?

          • bddd

            If Christ taught being a promiscuous homosexual was a great thing, you verts would be ‘proselytizing’ not only in the mens rooms but in the streets!!!

          • ben

            Well that had nothing to do with the topic at hand. Thanks for proving that you are unable to contribute intelligently to the conversation and proving my point.

          • bddd

            In my humble opinion, you need some mental health and spiritual help. Leave the “lifestyle”, seek Christ and live a full, clean, healthy life. Christ forgives all sins. (I am a Christian and a mechanical eng. So much for your bogus claims.)

          • ben

            Ignoring again.

          • buffonelder101

            buddy you are losing your edge… take it elsewhere

          • Phillip Lozano

            Funny, Christ never says a thing in the Bible about homosexuality. He says quite a bit about judging others and taking undue pride in being religious, though.

          • aliswell

            That is an old argument used by homosexuals and their advocates to neutralize God’s view of the matter. However, the word “homosexual” wasn’t coined until the late 1800s, so you wouldn’t see the word “homosexual” uttered by Christ.

            However, the NT is quite clear that homosexuality is and remains an abomination before God:

            Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire. Jude 1:7

          • Phillip Lozano

            And you miss the point, going about your ceaseless judging, as if you could see into hearts like God.

          • Phillip Lozano

            Missing the point, still judging other folks as if you could see into their hearts like God …

          • aliswell

            Seems you’re the one missing the point.

            If we were not to judge, how on earth would we know what is wrong and what is right? Wise as serpents and harmless as doves, right?

            We’re not to judge UNRIGHTEOUSLY, but we ARE to judge. And God has made it very clear homosexual behavior is an abomination before Him. Who are you to proclaim what is clean what God has proclaimed unclean?

          • Phillip Lozano

            And who are you to speak for God? What was that about he who is without sin casting the first stone? Or is that just Jesus talking nonsense again?

          • aliswell

            Standing by the Word isn’t speaking for God, just as you advocating brushing your teeth three times a day isn’t speaking for 4 out of 5 dentists.

            Anything else?

          • Phillip Lozano

            Dentists don’t go around damning people to hell for not brushing, either. Though I guess it’s lucky for us that dental care isn’t considered an abomination, hmm?

          • aliswell

            Perhaps because failing to brush isn’t a damnable offense, whereas homosexuality is.

            You exhibit all the classic signs of avoidance, Phil. Each time I point out where you’re in error you throw up another straw man.

            You’ve lost this one, kiddo.

          • Phillip Lozano

            Take solace in your prideful righteousness, then, and go on pretending your sacred Word isn’t simply an excuse to hate in God’s name.

          • aliswell

            I don’t hate the sinners, I hate the sin.

            And tossing around the word “hate” will not lend veracity to your arguments, Phil.

          • Phillip Lozano

            And using my name like you know me doesn’t make you seem any less like a monstrously deluded bigot, darling.

          • aliswell

            Ditto using the “darling” diminutive.

          • Phillip Lozano

            Naturally you would use a diminutive for a small mind.

          • bddd

            Your mental illness is showing.

          • aliswell

            Actually, the scientists who conducted the massive, 24 year long study of homosexuality in several countries were quite displeased when the results of their research showed homosexuality IS a choice, but have decided to embrace the facts and stay out of the politics of it.

          • Phillip Lozano

            LINK, please?

          • aliswell
          • Phillip Lozano

            You cherry-picked the sole study that makes this claim, by Dr. Neil Whitehead of the discredited group NARTH (National Organization for the Research and Therapy of Homosexuality). No one in the scientific community takes
            the organization seriously because it pushes “reparative therapy” – the false notion that homosexuality is a condition which can be changed. It’s a destructive practice denounced by medicine. The so-called study was conducted specifically to present an outcome that agreed with their pre-set position.

            It’s also predicated on the notion there is a “gay gene” – a chimera as much as the notion of a “straight gene.” Modern science believes that sexual identity is forged in the womb, during gestational development. (http://www.jstor.org/stable/10.1086/668167)

          • aliswell

            Why don’t you read the study for what it reveals, rather than with the intent to refute?

            First, who is cherry picking what? You mention Dr. Whitehead’s affiliation with NARTH, but failed completely to mention his other accomplishments; Dr. Neil Whitehead, PhD., worked for the New Zealand government as a scientific researcher for 24 years, then spent four years working for the United Nations and International Atomic Energy Agency. Most recently, he serves as a consultant to Japanese universities about the effects of radiation exposure. His PhD is in biochemistry and statistics.

            And NARTH has not been “discredited” in any way; it’s been condemned only by the sexually perverse and their proponents.

            Furthermore, Dr. Whitehead is INVOLVED with the studies, but the studies themselves were conducted by different scientists in different countries over a span of 24 years. Dr. Whitehead did not influence the outcome of the distinctly different studies.

            You are railing against Dr. Whitehead’s involvement while ignoring the concise, scientific results that numerous other scientists came to conclude.

            One would almost believe you’re determined to ignore the facts and allow your emotions to guide your understanding.

          • Phillip Lozano

            You cherry picked the sole study that makes this claim, by Dr. Neil Whitehead of the discredited group NARTH (National Organization for the Research and Therapy of Homosexuality). No one in the scientific community takes
            that organization seriously because it pushes “reparative therapy” – the false notion that homosexuality is a condition which can be changed. It’s a destructive practice denounced by medicine.

            The study is also predicated on the notion of a “gay gene” – which is as much a chimera as the notion of a “straight gene.” The twin premise is flawed – science believes that sexual identity is forged in the womb during gestational development, NOT determined by DNA.

            http://io9.com/5967426/scientists-confirm-that-homosexuality-is-not-genetic–but-it-arises-in-the-womb

          • Phillip Lozano

            You cherry picked the sole study that makes this claim, by Dr. Neil Whitehead of the discredited group NARTH (National Organization for the Research and Therapy of Homosexuality). No one in the scientific community takes that organization seriously because it pushes “reparative therapy” – the false notion that homosexuality is a condition which can be changed. It’s a destructive practice denounced by medicine.

            The study is also predicated on the notion of a “gay gene” – which is as much a chimera as the notion of a “straight gene.” The twin premise is flawed – science believes that sexual identity is forged in the womb during gestational development, NOT determined by DNA.

          • buffonelder101

            so if you say it twice it must be true?

          • Phillip Lozano

            I apologize for the accidental double post. That has no bearing on what’s “true,” thank you.

          • buffonelder101

            understood ;)… i still disagree but what the heck… life is short

          • ben

            *Citation Needed*

          • aliswell

            Sorry, but a massive study of well over half a million identical twins conducted over the span of 24 years in at least 3 countries actually proves that homosexuality IS a choice.

          • ben

            “citation needed”

          • aliswell
          • buffonelder101

            ben mistated… it is not that no evidence exists. it is that there is no evidence ben is willing to accept. that is on him… like burning coals…

          • Pay

            Science is not god, nor can science dictate moral truth. You need to be more critical in your thinking.

          • ben

            Excellent point! Science is not God. (God being defined here as an imaginary being capable of unbelievable acts and creation itself, yet choosing to make the most mind-numbingly stupid choices at nearly every turn)

            Out of curiosity, what thinking have I expressed that needs to be more critical? I ask because you haven’t specifically pointed out a single thing that I have said.

          • buffonelder101

            for someone who knows scripture, you seem confused.

          • ben

            Please, enlighten me. You enjoy responding to my posts without giving a single inkling of what in my posts you take issue with.

          • buffonelder101

            pretty sure every person i have had sexual encounters with was a choice…. kinda defeats your no evidence thing…. you should retype and say “no evidence i am willing to accept” in order to fairly display your bias

          • ben

            Are you making the argument here that homosexuality is a choice, because they are having consensual sex? That is an incredibly weak argument, if so. But please, elaborate.

      • bddd

        Ben. You are all up and down on here posting. You trying to convince us or yourself that homosexuality is normal?

        • ben

          I’m not trying to convince you of anything. I am, however, trying to show you that you are morons. It’s not going too well.

          • bytchwhoknits

            You are showing everyone you are a “moron”…..that is going very well.

          • ben

            Ok

          • dixhandley

            You know, if you boys didn’t act so effeminate, you wouldn’t be difficult to tolerate. At least by me. When you boys act so girlish and take on feminine characteristics, it turns normal folks off. The same with lesbians d y kes. No one likes butch lesbians, feminine ones we do!

      • aliswell

        Ben, as a recent long-term, massive study spanning 3 countries and 24 years just confirmed, homosexuality IS a choice. No one is born gay.

        • Phillip Lozano

          Mind posting a link to this imaginary study that no one has heard of?

    • CRO

      Like in Dante’s Inferno the devil himself is so turned in onto himself with his selfishness and pride, that he is frozen at the deepest pit of hell, blind and not caring to the suffering of all of hell, which is all around him.
      Pride is a self destructive thing. This “Church” is nothing less than a synagogue of satan.

  • bddd

    I’m sure it will be a perfect display of mental illness and deviant behaviour… .

  • Ronald G Miner Jr

    That’s not a church…They may call it such, but it’s no more of a church than the Bunny Ranch

    • CRO

      My thoughts exactly!

    • m2

      No, the chicks are hotter at the Bunny Ranch. Fewer of them have moustaches and hairy legs at the Ranch. Just sayin’

  • CRO

    Methodists are heretics anyway.
    In many ways I should add!

  • Stanley J. Walljasper

    Ist here really that much demand for GLTB “entertainment”?

    Is it still that interesting or titilating after years of being bombarded withi it?

    Go figure.

    Yawn.

    • m2

      There will probably be 3 people in the audience, genders unknown.

      Yawn indeed.

  • Hedley Lamar

    Should be Juliette and Juliette…..

    • bddd

      Maybe “Romeo” had an “addadicktome”?

      • SandyLester

        Or Joe had a subtractadicktome.

  • buffonelder101

    acts 10:34 (kjv) Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Grindy-Stone/100002987975855 Grindy Stone

    Jesus was gay.

    • Archie Bunker

      with abbs like that, and his cleanliness,i could see it…..

      • buffonelder101

        i thought the diabetes took your sight

    • msb204

      Oh now isn’t that such a cute statement.

      Do you really find it cool to come on here and make such weak attempts at being shocking?

      Grow up child.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Grindy-Stone/100002987975855 Grindy Stone

        Why don’t you face reality? Jesus was gay and there’s nothing you can do to change that fact.

      • aliswell

        Collapse his comments.

      • dixhandley

        Grindy was raped by his daddy!

    • Betsy Smith

      That’s so 70s.

  • TexasGirl

    My Lord, will these people leave nothing untouched? And in a “church”? Have mercy on us, God.

  • RufusChoate

    They still end up dead at the end. Right? Wasn’t the object lesson of Romeo and Juliet that young love is tragic and fatalistic in its insane desire.

    • Betsy Smith

      The lesson was that while the priest who helped them get married thought their marriage would put an end to the feud between the families, it was actually their deaths.
      God works in mysterious ways, his wonders to perform
      They would have to leave that out of the lesson plans today, though. Smacks of religion.

      • RufusChoate

        Yes, but fundamentally the lesson was forbidden Love doesn’t conquer all in the end except in death.

        I doubt the producers even think that deeply about the moral because it is an easy argument against the idea of counterfeit marriage between two members of the same sex. In that case the laws of nature and nature’s God are being violated. Not an easy hurdle to over come.

        • Betsy Smith

          God? We don’t need no stinkin’ God!

          Before anyone misunderstands…. that is sarcasm.

  • Sam Kunz

    I am gay and I think this is stupid. Two straight man haters wanna ruin Shakespeare.

  • olesparkie

    A lesbian version of Romeo and Juliet? How passe. I’m waiting for the beastiality version. Think of it as “Shakespeare meets Hee-Haw”.

    • bddd

      HAAA! True! The perverts need to take it up a notch to achieve “shock value”!!!

  • Archie Bunker

    calm down people. we tend not to trust scientists and other smart people these days, how are you to trust what some guy in the desert wrote a couple thousand years ago? after many translations of the bible, things got lost/added along the way. when church goers dont like certain bible verses and quotes (the support of slaves, not allowing women to show any authority, ect ect) they say that it is open to interpretation. but they tend to use their confusion or fear to pull out parts of the bible to use as hate. if there is a god, no one knows what he thinks of gays, women, drug users, ect ect. thats why the new pope is great, his head is not clouded with stubbornness

    • msb204

      Sorry there Archie but we do know what God thinks of those who practice sinful acts based on His word and he will not be mocked.

      You may think that he is absent from this world but he will have the final word.

    • bddd

      Your posts “reek of sodomy”. You a vert?

    • Pay

      Archie,

      You are the authority? Ha. Too funny.

      • Archie Bunker

        haha not sure where you got that from. reading 75% of these posts i would say that i am the voice of reason though

    • buffonelder101

      some guy in a desert? who did the spell checking… i applaud your desire to summarize but you end up looking like an effing idiot when your summary has nothing to do with reality

      • Archie Bunker

        something wrong with the way i spelled desert? i think a dictionary would disagree. my opinion is a neutral one from someone who was a catholic but now agnostic. not summarizing anything, just making a non biased point.

        • buffonelder101

          hey dingbat… it wasn’t your spelling that is in question… thick brain maybe, but not spelling… my point is that one person could not have written the bible and not had errors… especially if he was in the desert with no help… go stretch credulity elsewhere.. for example… go believe you have meaning… that pushes that bounds

    • DL

      It is God you turd hurfer…

    • SandyLester

      Don’t know……huh. Pretty sure its all written down.

      • Archie Bunker

        by people who saw burning bushes and by word of mouth through stories of seas being parted. a confusing time in history.

    • CableNewsGuy

      I would trust a person holding a conversation with a fire hydrant before I would trust scientist of today or even the so called smartest man in the world Barack Obama.

      • Archie Bunker

        not sure how or why obama got dragged into this. so you would trust the word of someone who has been dead for thousands of years?

    • iiiiiiiiiiiiiiii

      You sure wasted a lot of time babbling.

  • tubaman

    disgusting!!!!!

  • Jimmy Keel

    Leave Shakespeare alone people if you want to make a point, show off or just kick people who think differently than you do then come up with your own stuff and stop messing up the classics

  • Jay Smart

    Well now god can smote them, right? Will god smote? Oh that’s right, he’ll probably do nothing. So I guess it’s OK.

    • DL

      It is God you silly little boy…

      • kmrod

        you only capitalize proper nouns/pronouns, not non-existent magic men.

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Grindy-Stone/100002987975855 Grindy Stone

          Thor, Hercules, Flying Spaghetti Monster – all myths and legends that get capitalized. We can capitalize God, too.

          • kmrod

            you can. i’m not going to bother.

        • iiiiiiiiiiiiiiii

          I smell homo

          • kmrod

            really.

            how often do you smell homos? is it the same one night after night or do you go to the club and get a new one each weekend?

          • iiiiiiiiiiiiiiii

            No – it’s you

          • kmrod

            nah, i disagree.

            it was brave of you to come out of the closet online like this. it’s the first step in telling family and friends.

            GOOD LUCK!!

        • DL

          Have you checked your dictionary lately, mr. moron….?

      • Jay Smart

        Which one?

        • DL

          There is only one Jay, you should reach out to him, it would save your eternal life my brother

          • Jay Smart

            That’s sweet. Is it the same god that priests use to molest boys?

          • DL

            I can’t answer for priests actions, God made us all as sinners, some sinners work for a church, I don’t belong to a church, many sinners don’t work for organized religion. I happen to believe priests should be allowed to marry, woman, not a man though…

  • mlon

    Why not the new Pope says who is he to judge. Heck, he says you don’t even have to believe in God to get to heaven. It all goes to prove the point wide is the road that leads to destruction. I’ve never been of the end times is coming soon crowd, but Jesus himself said in the end times even the elect will be lead astray. Makes one wonder doesn’t it?

    • kmrod

      Makes one wonder doesn’t it?

      no, it doesn’t.

    • RufusChoate

      Actually the Pope was referring, in the first case, to a very specific case of a person being accused of wrong doing, investigated thoroughly and exonerated nothing more in spite of how the media misconstrued it. .
      He also re-stated the long standing teaching of the Church that an exceptionally good and moral non-believer might be saved by the mercy of God.
      The exceptional good part is a little more difficult to imagine in a non-believer or even an atheist than you might believe.

      • mlon

        Since I know how the media plays the game I cut you slack on the first part. However, Jesus Himself proclaims over and over He is the only way to heaven. John 14:6, “I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.” Buddha will not get one to heaven, Muhammad will not get one to heaven, Confucius will not get one to heaven, and certianly your conscience will not get one to heaven. To believe otherwise is to have no understanding of penalty of sin and what Jesus’ sacrifice was all about. The bottom line is if the Pope is correct then the whole coming to earth and dying for sins was a waste of Jesus’ time.

        • RufusChoate

          Ah no. God implanted in every human heart the knowledge and apprehension of the good by natural law. If through no fault of their own they are ignorant of Christ and his Church they are blameless of rejecting Christ if they adhere to the nature law and live good lives it is likely by the mercy of God that they will not be damned.

          Invincible ignorance, the accidental ignorance of the faith because of time, culture, oppression or personal inclination does not cut one off from the mercy of God. People who are polytheists have a more difficult situation but an omnipotent and omniscient God would know the contents of each man’s heart.

          Try looking at Dante’s Paradiso for a more lyrical interpretation of the catholic view of salvation. The noble pagans who predeceased Christ were in heaven along with the Saints because a just God would not condemn the ignorant. Purgatory as a state of purification of their flawed understanding seems entirely just and reasonable.

          Frequently we all fall into the error of accentuating the insignificant and ignore the substantive. God is both infinitely good and just.

          • mlon

            Perfect illustration why I left the Roman Catholic Church. Nowhere in your post do you mention scripture. Based on what you say Jesus is either crazy or a liar since He said it Himself He is the only way to the Father. I could write an entire essay on this subject far too much to put into this post. Read the Bible my friend. It’s pretty clear. While one may know right and wrong in their heart when given the choice to accept Christ and one rejects Him all bets are off. The scripture says there is no other way one can be saved. When Adam sinned a crime was commited and the payment was death. It could only be paid through the blood of someone blameless. Hence God had to provide Himself as that sacrifice. Based on your logic Jesus died for nothing – think about it.

          • RufusChoate

            No, I don’t have to think about it. Christ’s death on the cross was for all mankind not merely people who profess his name or simply read a book without an informed understanding of scripture, because they were lucky enough to hear the word of God and participate in his sacraments. The gift of awareness of the faith and its fullest expression through the Church not ecclesial communities found by extremely flawed men in the 16th century is a precious commodity. The faith compels us to preach his Gospel to whole world but that has proven difficult.
            You’re right about not bothering with scripture quotes because I find it a waste of time in dealing with apostates and heretics in a pointless exercise of trading quotes because the core of your belief is the ultimate cafeteria Catholicism where you will emphasize scriptural ambiguity to support your weak and illogical premises.
            You kept the book but threw out the Church that Christ said would abide until the end of time.
            The Church found by Christ created the canon of the Bible and it did not wait around for a thousand years for a bad monk (Luther), power crazed Lawyer (Calvin), an impotent syphilitic mad king (Henry VIII) and an assortment of disreputable frauds to manipulate the gospel to fit their 16th century sensibility by mistranslated text and misrepresenting scripture and the Magisterium.
            You’ve lost the truth and your pinched and narrow view of the Gospel doesn’t interest me.

          • mlon

            So what you’re saying is the gospel is cryptic and it requires the church to interpret. So when Jesus and the disciples say the only way to be saved is though belief in Jesus’ life, death and resurrection it actually means something else? The answers is no. God didn’t provide us a a mystical puzzle to the way to salvation. Words mean things and Jesus makes it perfectly clear He is the way the truth and the life. I do not know how that is taking a smorgasbord approach to the Bible.

            You mentioned in a previous post the people before Jesus’ birth were sent to purgatory. First, purgatory does not exist anywhere in the scripture. In fact, purgatory was manufactured by the church to sell indulgences. It was a money making scam. The prophets and the people of God who existed before Jesus’ birth were saved because they did believe in the coming of the messiah. Abraham spoke to Jesus before His earthly birth. Moses spoke to Jesus as a man speaks to a friend. These are examples of a Christophany. I’m sorry but you and I will not see eye to eye on this. But I will say this salvation is not collective. Jesus Himself said narrow is the road. That means unless you believe in Him you are on the broad road to destruction.

          • RufusChoate

            See here is you’re basic problem. You’re an apostate and you are trying to justify your personal choice. As I said I don’t trust anyone nutty enough to think a collection vile and corrupt men in the 16th century could reinvent Christianity in order for them to assume its authority and expropriate its wealth.

            Protestantism is a heresy that makes every man an authority on scripture accord to their own desired outcome on scripture and therefore there is no authority at all. 32,000 protestant sects in 500 years is the record of this error.

            And honestly you and your ilk bore me so I will draw to a close.

      • mlon

        Knowing how the media plays the game I will cut you slack on the first point. However, the second point I cannot. Jesus Himself said He is the way the truth and the life, no one can see the Father except through Him. Paul states no one is good enough to see the kingdom of heaven. To believe otherwise is to have a lack of understanding of original sin, the penalty thereof, and the price that needs to be paid for sin. If the Pope is correct, Jesus’ sacrifice on the cross was a waste of time. Our good works without faith are like filthy rags to God. Read the Bible it’s as plain as day and is not cryptic about it.

  • http://www.nleomf.org/officers/ FlatFoot

     
    Next year, Rover and Juliet!

    What’s in a name? That which we call a milkbone
    By any other word would smell as sweet.

     

    • MacIovin

      Wassup?

  • SandyLester

    puke

  • Winston

    Is there nothing these deviates won’t destroy. They are the scourge of mankind. Terrorists.

    • JeffWest

      I agree. Christians need to stop trying to destroy everyone unlike themselves.

      • Winston

        Christians aren’t destroying them. They are destroying themselves. You give people enough rope, they will hang themselves. Stop hating Christians. They don’t hate you. Feeling guilty for shafting the Creator????

  • VeteranJack48

    C.S. Lewis once said: There are two kinds of people in the world. Those who say to God, “Thy will be done.” Then there are those to whom God says, “Alright, have it your way.” Those are referred to as the ‘Burger King’ folks. Someday folks … someday!

  • iiiiiiiiiiiiiiii

    Madness

  • Guest

    Reverse the players and the city would be bringing the people of the church up on hate crime/human rights violation charges. Be intolerant of, mock, hate, and attack Christians/Jews and the self professed “tolerant ones” praise you. “Love your neighbor as yourself” is viewed as hate by leftists/democrats.

  • lynnbaber

    “A rose by any other name is still a rose.” A gay rights congregation by any other name is still a gay rights congregation. You can’t fool God.

    • Phillip Lozano

      God knows who the real fools are, hmm?

  • OutWest Landowner

    Another example of normalization of deviation brought to decent communities by the LGBT lobby. Hope good people protest this show.

  • SGinNC

    Why would they allow these people the ability to desecrate their church?

    • Digger

      You think THIS desacrates their “church”? You should check out their theology. That “church” has been desacrated for many years. Besides, the building isn’t the church. The true believers of Jesus Christ make up the true Church.

  • raliel

    OK history lesson… Romeo & Juliet was performed originally by an all male cast and much of Shakespeare’s comedies relied on the subversion of gender and indeed many of the jokes in the plays are a reference to this, I am sure he would be more than happy with this production

    • NamelessConstitutionProponent

      “First thing we do… lets kill all the lawyers.” Yes, Shakespeare would be happy with a lot of dead lawyers as well.

      • Phillip Lozano

        He’d probably be more happy with an audience who could understand that plays are fiction.

  • NamelessConstitutionProponent

    Gay is SO yesterday. When will the “tolerant ones” start helping the truly oppressed and cast Juliet as a farm animal? Get with the times, liberals! Help the oppressed who are acting out on their genetic sexual desires.

  • raliel

    Also this is a play that has been around for quite a while and has had a myriad versions, what is so upsetting about this particular version? have any of you actually READ shakepeare in the context it was originally performed in?

    • JeffWest

      They don’t care. They’re just want to “damn” everyone who’s not like them. Like that works.

  • http://ragingvanity.wordpress.com/ God is Laughing

    Well, they call themselves “a” church, all evidence to the contrary.

  • patriotds1

    We have become Rome, God help us.

  • hillary obama

    Rome is burning
    I cannot wait for the complete melt down so we can resent the morals

  • VINCE

    Goddamn it…..why can’t we just isolate these fkg perverts to one small area of Wyoming and let them rot to hell. There is nothing more evil or perverted on earth then are homosexuals and we need to stand up to them and against them. It’s just wrong, wrong, wrong

    • JeffWest

      No good restaurants in Wyoming, that’s why.

      • VINCE

        Jeff…they can Eat each other

  • Notinonecategory

    If you’re anxious about this it could be that there is something you don’t yet know about yourself.

    • http://ragingvanity.wordpress.com/ God is Laughing

      I’m not anxious about it. It’s perverse and it’s gonna burn.

  • iatemine

    It is deviant freaks like these clowns who ruin Their own cause by piggybacking Their so-called message on the backs of the rest of Us.

    create Your own original art Freaks. Take Your agenda and go to hell.

  • williaml

    This is an embarrassment to Christianity.
    The congregation especially the pastor should be ashamed of themselves for this abomination.

    And we wonder why the World Does Not Take Christians Serious.

    • http://ragingvanity.wordpress.com/ God is Laughing

      Newsflash: They aren’t disciples of Christ. They stopped pretending over a decade ago.

    • aliswell

      The “pastor” is nothing more than a wolf in sheep’s clothing. His punishment will be even greater than those who simply reject the Savior.

  • yakko

    And the phaggotizati0n of our country continues…

  • wayne

    many churches are concerned about being political correct and not biblical correct

  • natgrenadine

    “Two households, both alike in….both alike in…. ….dignity?”

  • Anonymous

    Someone asked “Hey, why promote the Gospel of Jesus Christ when you can promote deviant human lifestyles instead?”
    Maybe because those “deviant lifestyles” are infinantly more tolerant of other people…and more fun to hang out with to boot? Get off you high horse and follow the teachings of Christ (love thy brother, turn the other cheek, etc.) and get over yourselves. You hypocritical fools…

    • Betsy Smith

      If American Christians weren’t libertarians at heart who believe you have the right to make your own mistakes do you really think our culture could have possibly attained its present form? The tolerance of Christians has allowed our opposition to take root, grow and overwhelm us.

      • JeffWest

        And the intolerance of Christians is based upon your smug self-righteousness. Worshipping the imaginary is not a healthy approach to reality.

        • USAF304x6

          In case you haven’t noticed this isn’t the 12th century. Nice way to lump us all as smug and self righteous.

          • JeffWest

            Based entirely on the comments on this thread.

        • Betsy Smith

          I repeat what I said. God allows people to decide for themselves. I have chosen God. I even accepted Christ in a United Methodist Church. I’m glad they had a sermon that day instead of putting on a gay play.

    • JeffWest

      There’s nothing more deviant than turning your back on reality in favor of manmade fantasies.

  • Jetshade

    Religious views aside, do any of you people actually know ANYTHING about the structure of theatre, Shakespere and the roles and performances of such pieces in medieval history? Because given that you’re making such a fervent fuss over the all female casting, it would appear you do not. Traditionally this would have been performed by 2 men. In the 1600s. Yes, two MEN.

    • astralweeks

      True, but did they both play men?

    • Chimes

      And one man portrayed as a woman, not two men in love with each other. You sicko qu33rs keep trying to twist a sick perverted life style into something normal, which it isn’t and never will be.

      • Jetshade

        There is very little “Roman” drama represented today that was not Greek
        in origin. Romans did introduce new aspects into their plays such as
        different costumes to represent different characters, such as a purple
        robe to represent a young man and a yellow robe to represent a woman. As
        in Greek drama, all actors in Roman plays were also men, even women
        characters. The Romans’ need for action and entertainment turned
        theatrics into something more and more violent. Crude sexual acts would
        take place on stages as part of theatrical entertainment; criminals
        would be executed for the sake of entertainment. Gladiators would fight
        lions. Men would fight each other to the death. Actions such as these
        led the Christians to rebel against “theater” as a whole.

        Read it again. Work out the details in your head.

  • thomassowell

    Wow! So transgressive and subversive! And its presentation couldn’t be any more original! Bravo already!!! Clap, clap, clap…ohhhh braaaaavo! I can just picture how this brilliant expression was conceived:
    A cramped, musty meeting room filled with all staff members. It’s quiet, occasionally punctuated with an exasperated sigh, a hand laid too loudly on the table or a cleared throat. Faces are shaped oddly by effort, hands massage temples. All brains work as one, “How can we make our version of one of the world’s most famous love stories exceptional again?”
    A hand apprehensively rises, the voice of its owner meekly offers, “I think I have it.”
    All faces turn quickly, the chief of staff looks dumbfounded and sputters in a hushed whisper, “T..t…tell us!”
    Quietly, timidly the answer is given, “We present it in a way that offends Christians.”
    There is a moment, the briefest pause of absolute silence. There is no movement; there is only a comprehensive pause. And then there is a palpable relief as the chief smiles benevolently. This is taken for its intended approval, and a tidal wave of emotion fills the room as the chief utters, “Yes!”
    The staff explodes in celebration, there is clapping, exclamations of, “Brilliant, wonderful, sublime ohhhhs and ahhhhs!!”.
    The chief stands and the room falls silent. The chief looks at the person responsible, “You are a genius. No one has thought to do anything like that. You are taking us into the essence of originality.”
    I’m not a Christian, nor religious at all and I really don’t take much interest in religion to begin with. But artists attacking Christianity or doing things to offend Christians is as innovative as going to the grocery store and seeing cans of Dr. Skipper next to Dr. Pepper. Put a little more thought into it. Please.
    If you clowns really want to be innovative when subverting or transgressing a religion, then why not use Islam as the background and make sure to have plenty of pictures of Mohammed hanging? Because you are in it more for an agenda than art, and that makes you a dogmatic. Give yourselves some obstructions ladies: art before agenda, and you have to use a different religion to offend for no other reason than that’s already been done before. How about targeting a different group?

    • Betsy Smith

      Well written as usual.

    • astralweeks

      That’s funny, well done.

    • JeffWest

      We have centuries worth of art depicting Christians torturing people, slaughtering people and burning witches, for openers. Would you like a musical celebrating the Black Plague, when Christian superstition killed 60% of Europe?

      • thomassowell

        Relax Jeff, I’d hate for you to trip over all that blind outrage and lack of perspective and fall on your face. Here, let me help you: Christians aren’t the only ones who have or are fielding a team worthy of derision. How about, just for the sake of a new flavor, targeting another one of the equally worthy groups?
        So only Christians reacted poorly to a pandemic that came from Asia? You should tape that premise to your refrigerator you rascal, you’re doing great! Don’t you listen to anyone that disagrees. You got this!

        • Betsy Smith

          He’s only been trained to think the one way.

      • Betsy Smith

        I am still trying to figure out how Christian superstition was responsible for the Black Plague. I have read a few books on plagues but I missed that.

  • https://www.facebook.com/BlowtorchOfReason BlowtorchOfReason

    The amount of hate directed towards this play (and indirectly towards all homosexuals) is disturbing. Maybe it really is a political message directed towards how much our society really does hate itself.

    • Betsy Smith

      I don’t think you are using the word, “hate,” judiciously.

      • astralweeks

        Hate, one of those words thrown out when an argument is not cogent.

        • JeffWest

          Like, “The Bible says…?”

  • kenpuck

    Topless.

    • USAF304x6

      Brilliant!

  • Maud St James

    Disgusting!

  • Howard M Ccomber

    Matthew 25:31-46: This basically sums up the commenters below. He will seperate the goats from the sheep. The good from the bad, and He will cast off those who are unworhty.

    • 1stAfterburner

      We are all unworthy, through faith Jesus makes us worthy before the Father, I am no more worthy than this bunch, the difference is I say it (homosexuality) is wrong because the New Testament proclaims it is wrong and i pray for real “Hope and Change” from my sin nature.

      • JeffWest

        Clever use of Obama in your hate-gays rant. It’s all just one big Hell to you, right?

        • 1stAfterburner

          Jeff, I do not hate homosexuals, as I wrote, I am no more worthy than they are but I do hate the sinful fallen nature in us both, but thanks to God who loves you, me and the world He has provided a way. Your argument is with scripture, your argument is with God, it is He that you must face not me:

          Romans 1:26-27

          26 For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; 27 and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error.

    • astralweeks

      tsk-tsk-tsk….Jesus told us not to judge others.

      • Moral_Hazard

        That’s what I tell my wife when she gets angry at me for cheating on her with my secretary. The essence of Christianity, which my wife so devoutly practices, is never judging another’s actions as “good” or “bad”, archaic notions at best, dangerous at worst.

      • aliswell

        An old argument used to neutralize those who would use the Word of God to judge righteously.

        If we’re not to judge ever on anything then how would you know to protect your child from the pedophile next door? After all, it would be “judgmental” to prevent that child rapist from babysitting your child, right?

        No, we’re supposed to judge righteously. If a Sodomite is telling you his perverse sexuality is perfectly natural, you’re to remind him no, it isn’t.

  • 1stAfterburner

    II Timothy III
    Final Act.

  • Stacey g

    they going to show any cooch munching!?

    • Phillip Lozano

      IDK, has any version of R&J you’ve ever seen featured cocksucking?

      • Stacey g

        sigh, did Shakespeare have two gals in mind when he wrote the play?

        • Phillip Lozano

          Did he have two men? In the days of the Globe Theatre, both male and female roles were played by men.

          • Stacey g

            sigh I know that…why do gay people have to gay everything up?

          • Phillip Lozano

            Same reason straight people have to straight everything up I guess? Or maybe you could grow up and acknowledge gay people are human beings, too.

          • Stacey g

            sigh, I don’t care who is gay or not…I am just gayed out, gay this gay that, with about 2% of the population being gay, I am tired of hearing about it…be gay, just go on with your life and be quiet.

          • Phillip Lozano

            If straight people didn’t lose their minds over everything that’s “gay,” believe you me, they would be very happy to live their lives without your insipid whining.

          • USAF304x6

            Who is losing their minds? People here are commenting about their opinions … not lining up to burn crosses or stage a huge demonstration …

          • Phillip Lozano

            Obviously you’ve been looking at the comments in a different light.

            Romeo & Juliet features – and has ALWAYS featured – underage sex (Juliet is 13), teen suicide, gang violence, etc., but what’s awful and offensive is that, this time, two girls are involved. BLASPHEMY!

          • USAF304x6

            Well considering the time period it is written in 1) Teens actually did fall in love at 13 and I don’t believe sex was ever involved in the story 2) Teen suicide unfortunately has been around much longer than this piece of fiction 3) Families of that time period actually did quarrel and feud. They weren’t “gangs”. The fact they they are twisting a wonderful piece of work and producing it in a church is what I and others here are voicing our objections to.

          • Phillip Lozano

            And gays, in THIS time period, are only asking to be respected and treated as human beings. Gays have always existed, in Shakespeare’s time as well as ours.

          • USAF304x6

            I disagree. If they were ONLY asking to be respected and treated as human beings wouldn’t take every opportunity to throw their lifestyle choice in our face at every turn in my opinion. This wouldn’t even had made any headlines at all if they were holding this ANY place other than a church.

          • Phillip Lozano

            Jeez, are gays coming to your house and gaying it up on your front doorstep? Do you get offended by children being all childish in your presence, or Jewish people being Jewish?

          • USAF304x6

            That is what I am afraid it could be coming to. Ever been to SF and unfortunately seen what is thrust on people in a public environment? The rest is a straw man argument.

          • Phillip Lozano

            The only thing wrong with SF is that it’s too expensive. I’ve been there many times and no one has ever started having gay sex spontaneously in front of me.

            The rest is not a straw man. You’re basically saying that gays can exist only if they don’t actually “be” gay.

          • USAF304x6

            No one “Spontaneously” had gay sex in front of me either but it was damn close! And sickening. I don’t take my girlfriend to a park and stick my hands down her pants – so why do they get a pass? And I disagree – “Do you get offended by children being all childish in your presence, or Jewish people being Jewish?” that IS a straw man argument. Children can no more stop being childish than you could learn to live by not breathing. I have 4 beautiful grandchildren. Gay people cannot naturally have children. Much less grandchildren. Hence my original argument that the homosexual lifestyle is not gay.
            I have enjoyed our debate Phillip but I must toddle off to work. Peace.

          • USAF304x6

            Is not “Natural” LOL – typing in a hurry. Once again – I enjoyed the debate.

          • Phillip Lozano

            “Children can no more stop being childish than you could learn to live by not breathing.”

            And neither can gay people just stop being gay. Live with it.

          • USAF304x6

            Straight people don’t “Straight” anything up – it’s the natural order. This however …

          • JeffWest

            …Is also natural. God made all of us in His image, right?

          • USAF304x6

            yes – but this doesn’t demonstrate the natural order. Procreation is the natural order of things. And pandering to the 3% means it won’t last long.

          • JeffWest

            So if one can’t procreate, one is worthless? Like, say, my 70-year-old mom?

          • USAF304x6

            Wow – really? Epic fail. Obviously she procreated hence you are here to spout on. I suppose next you’ll make a comment about “the flying spaghetti monster”?

          • Phillip Lozano

            No everyone is able to procreate, and not everyone chooses to. Do we single out non-procreators as unnatural, inflicting persecution, hate and violence on them? No, we don’t.

          • USAF304x6

            I agree. No we shouldn’t single non-procreators and no one should inflict violence or persecute them. Heck – we Christians now are suffering persecution all over the world for our beliefs. But my point is – a man and a woman together can naturally procreate as God intended. A man and a man or a woman and a woman simply cannot naturally procreate.

          • Phillip Lozano

            So what? What does procreation have to do with a person’s right to exist?

          • USAF304x6

            I never said they don’t have a right to exist. I simply said it is un-natural. Don’t try the lib “bait and switch” argument with me.

          • Phillip Lozano

            That’s no bait and switch. Your argument about what is “natural” implies that what is allegedly NOT natural cannot or should not be allowed to exist. If the existence of homosexuality was truly acceptable to you or anyone else here complaining about it, you wouldn’t be making comments about the “natural order” to begin with.

          • USAF304x6

            What a talent you have for looking into ones soul with such discernment. Not. While I do not profess to understand homosexuality I do not “damn them all to hell” rather I am a “live and let live” type of person. The only reason this even made headlines is because they are going to produce this play in a CHURCH. Which is wrong and does nothing to promote understanding. It only provokes Christians which I firmly believe was their intent.

          • Phillip Lozano

            Not all Christians are threatened by homosexuality.

          • Chimes

            That may be debatable.

          • Phillip Lozano

            Oh really? Someone made a big deal on here about their being no difference in DNA between gay and straight people.

  • sympathetic

    Stupid!

  • disqus_irCdmAu8It

    I grow increasingly more despondent for the future of our soceity and cultre. Every day I see attacks on the USA by the Left and its running dogs and fellow travelers.

  • NurseSnow

    Not Romea and Juliet? Obviously, nothing is sacred.

  • raliel

    well, apparently the whole thing is actually a hidden ritual to Yog Sothoth, and the ultimate aim is to open up the doorways of reality via the symbolic sacrifice of two women who are tainted by chaos… This will lead to the actual sacrifice of humanity to those that dwell beyond.

  • astralweeks

    Yawwwwnnnnn. Sounds even more boring than the original.

  • carlaannhogan

    What an affront to God and His Word.

    • astralweeks

      not to mention to William Shakespeare and his word.

  • oldgoat

    How nice, anything and every thing distorted and ruined by the gay community.

  • formerusaf

    It’s going to be another typical underwhelming masterpiece from the intellectually challenged P.C. people by using just a few computer clicks of exchanging a few pronouns in Shakespeare’s Romeo and Juliet . . .& getting support from either an intimidated church and/or a pastor that has questionable values. Sad.

  • abigail_adams

    Let me know when I can come out of my cave…..when all things are back to normal.

  • DiscustedONE

    Any plays in a Church like this is an abomination in its self.

    Leviticus 18:22
    King James Version (KJV)
    22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.
    1 Kings 14:24
    King James Version (KJV)
    24 And there were also sodomites in the land: and they did according to all the abominations of the nations which the Lord cast out before the children of Israel.
    The Bible is full of damnation against homosexuality.
    It is not an alternative lifesyle as far as Christianity, Jewdism is concerned. That is why the Atheists want to destroy both.

    • JeffWest

      “Jewdism”? Your knowledge of the world is an abomination. Happy Yom Kippur, genius.

    • raliel

      and the KJV of the bible is not the most accurate either…an Omniscient and Omnipotent god that has no control over creation??? laughable

      • Ken3580

        It’s accurate enough… IF you’re open minded enough to believe it.

    • Betsy Smith

      I think the book of Romans explains it best.

    • Anonymous

      Leviticus 19:18
      “‘Do not seek revenge or bear a grudge against anyone among your people, but love your neighbor as yourself. I am the LORD.

  • Jeffrey Davis

    There is no such think as a Methodist Church. It’s just a place where sick, disgusting perverts gather and call GOD a liar and there is no low a putrid homoNazi won’t sink to.

    • Betsy Smith

      Many Christians attend Methodist Churches and give them their money, but they aren’t happy about it. The individual members have no power to change it. They can only leave.

  • bonch

    This is awesome, not only because it would be an interesting portrayal of a classic story, but also because it riles up the Christian bigots in America. Christianity is now associated with hatred, closed-mindedness, and intolerance. Congratulations, Christians.

    • Betsy Smith

      Again, don’t have your gay play in a church. It is very offensive to some off us. Oh, I forgot. Nobody cares if Christians are offended.

      • bonch

        Nobody cares if it’s offensive to you because the world views you as closed-minded bigots from a different century. It doesn’t make sense that an all-powerful God would care which gender you sleep with.

        • Betsy Smith

          I get my ideas about God from his book. Where do you get yours?

          • bonch

            My conclusions come from investigation and evidence. How do you know the Bible is God’s book?

          • JeffWest

            And if the bible is God’s inerrant word, why does it keep revising and changing? First tattoos were punishable by death, now they’re not. Who is God’s copy editor?

          • bonch

            Clearly God needs to hire a messaging firm to accurately get his Word™ out.

          • Betsy Smith

            You got the Old Testament and the New. Once Christ was born, crucified and resurrected the rules changed.

          • Prof Von Nostril

            So when did he start eating pork and other unclean foods….didn’t he banish the demons into the unclean pigs? He came to “fulfill” the law and not do away with one jot or tittle…..or did I misread that one?

          • Betsy Smith

            All food is clean if eaten with thanks giving. Jesus taught it is what comes out a man’s mouth and not what goes into it that makes him unclean.

          • Betsy Smith

            You deserve a more complete answer.
            When Christ was resurrected he fulfilled the old laws of the Old Testament. The wages of sin is death and Christ conquered death so that we who accept his sacrifice are no longer bound by the old laws. We are under a new dispensation, the dispensation of grace.

            Never the less, with the exception of keeping the Sabbath, Christ reconfirmed the ten commandments with his teachings.

          • arthur

            Oh, so that’s why Jew-hating comments are in this thread. The people of the Old Testament were revised to no longer be God’s chosen people. Because other powerful people rewrote the Bible to suit their goals and their prejudices.

          • Betsy Smith

            I don’t know what you are talking about. Christians love Jews because they are God’s chosen people. Why do you think we support Israel?

          • dixhandley

            Some of the tattoos I’ve seen should warrant a good waterboarding!

          • Betsy Smith

            When I first read the Gospel of John, I recognized it as truth.

          • bonch

            I know you believe the Bible is true. I’m asking you why you believe it’s true.

          • Betsy Smith

            Once I accepted the word of God on faith, He revealed himself to me. Over time I have been regenerated. I believe I am becoming the person God created me to be before the world got a hold of me.

          • bonch

            This is a common refrain from believers–that once they accepted something without proof, the proof presented itself after they already believed in it! Surely, you must see the self-delusion inherent in that.

          • Betsy Smith

            I’m just telling you what happened. I accepted Him on faith and then He gave me proof of his existence.

          • bonch

            Again, you didn’t receive the proof until you already drew the conclusion it was true, which calls into question the objectivity of your proof.

          • Betsy Smith

            It’s more a being willing to believe.

          • bonch

            That doesn’t address my point. You only received proof after you convinced yourself of the truth behind the proof. That calls into question your judgement of what is proof, because if you already believe the conclusion, you’ll start looking for things that support it.

          • Betsy Smith

            From God’s point of view his creation is proof of his existence.
            Again, a willingness to believe is not the same thing as convincing yourself of proof or truth. When you sit down in a classroom or pick up a book there has to be a willingness to believe that what you are being taught is true or you are wasting your time and effort.

            Again, I sat down with the Gospel of John willing to believe it was the word of God. I recognized it as truth.

          • bonch

            I hope you can realize that telling a non-believer that the proof of god is the existence of things is unconvincing.

            Reading a class textbook is very different from accepting a religion without evidence. Implicit in the textbook is the fact that it was written by educators and is backed by evidence, and its sources can be researched.

            Your last paragraph admits that you drew the conclusion yourself without any proof. That is self-delusional. You didn’t go where the evidence led you. You forced yourself to believe something without any evidence.

          • Betsy Smith

            There is nothing I could tell you that would make you willing to believe that my relationship with God is real.
            There is nothing you could say to me to prove to me it isn’t.
            If you can really consider the complexity of nature and believe that Darwinian revolution explains it all, I believe you are the one willing to believe something without evidence.

          • bonch

            That’s not true. If you were able to provide sufficient evidence that God existed, I would believe it. You have yet to do so.

            I don’t know why you keep going back to evolution, as atheism and evolution are not intertwined, and many Christians believe evolution is the means that God used to create complex life.

          • Betsy Smith

            Faith is the evidence of things unseen.
            I go back to evolution because God says his creation should be proof enough of his existence. It isn’t for you so I assumed you credited evolution for the world you see around you. You can’t deny its existence but must attribute its wonder to something. You choose chance. I choose design.
            Many Christians do not spend much time reading what the Bible has to say on the subject. I would say that the main theme of the Bible is, “God created the earth and everything in it.” It says it in the beginning, the end and over and over in between. Genesis describes how it was done and yet what you say is true. They think they can have it both ways.

          • bonch

            Faith isn’t evidence of anything. Faith is belief without evidence.

            Again, I don’t know why you believe evolution and atheism are connected, because there are Christians who believe God used evolution to make complex life. They view Genesis as a parable.

            Did you know Genesis is based on previous Sumero-Babylonian mythology about seven generations of gods? In the sixth generation of gods, mankind was created so that the seventh generation could rest. We already know the manmade origins of the Genesis stories.

            If you believe the existence of the natural world means that it must have a creator, then God exists, so what created God?

          • arthur

            What if he created you to be gay? He created the women doing this play to be gay. So whose side are you on, God’s or the bible’s?

          • Betsy Smith

            The article says the women are straight.
            That people are born gay is a recent conclusion and I expect it will change in the future.
            The Bible is the inspired word of God. God and the Bible are on the same side.

          • arthur

            Because it says so in the Bible. That’s how it always goes.

          • JeffWest

            Reality.

          • Betsy Smith

            You guys are big on saying, “Perception is reality.” I perceive that God is real.

          • lizbonbon

            Suck my twat asshole

          • USAF304x6

            I take it vocabulary isn’t one of your strong points?

          • Betsy Smith

            Well, that’s not very nice.

        • dixhandley

          Then you’re not aware of natural law!

          • bonch

            You have no proof that what you believe is “natural law” actually is.

          • dixhandley

            Natural law has been around longer than both of us. Homosexuality is abnormal.

          • bonch

            You didn’t respond to my point at all. Again, you have to back your assertion with sufficient evidence. “The Bible tells me so” isn’t sufficient evidence.

      • JeffWest

        The church itself wasn’t offended.

        • Betsy Smith

          If it is true that the building is no longer being used as a church, then I’m not offended either.

      • arthur

        So nobody should stage a challenging play in a church because “it is very offensive to some of us.” And very interesting to many others, but you don’t care about others, you only care about yourself. Get over yourself. Your smug insistence that Christians are some kind of demonized minority that is also the arbiter of all morality is cancelled out by your blatant and un-Christian bigotry.

        • Betsy Smith

          Read my comments. Then read yours. Which of us fits your description?

  • SerfCityHereWeCome

    Good to know that the proglodyte deviants just want to be left alone and aren’t trying to instigate stuff or anything…

  • El_Guapo_01

    Them saying it’s not political is the equivalent to me saying I only read Playboy for the articles. Please. Do what you’re going to do, but there is no need to blatantly lie about it.

    • ben

      MMmm… no, it isn’t equivalent to that at all. Maybe you don’t know what equivalent means?

      • Prof Von Nostril

        e·quiv·a·lent ( -kw v -l nt). adj. 1. a. Equal, as in value, force, or meaning

        Meaning….hmmmmmm

        mean·ing (mnng)n.

        1. Something that is conveyed or signified; sense or significance.2. Something that one wishes to convey, especially by language

        Yeah….I think he knows what it means.

        • ben

          Bzt wrong. As he used the word incorrectly, he apparently doesn’t know what it means. The two items he made equivalent are nowhere near being equivalent.

          • Prof Von Nostril

            Equivalent’s Latin roots are “equal” and “value,” which suggests
            that the word originally was used to describe things that had the same
            value. Now it can be used to describe things that have the same effect,
            or importance, or role — for example, “England’s Parliament is the equivalent of America’s Congress.” (it is not the same) It can also be used as an adjective: “Eating a bowl of Sugar Pops for breakfast is equivalent to starting your day with two scoops of ice-cream.” (sugar pops is not ice cream).

            However, the common “would be like” would have been a less confusing choice.
            Your attention is invited to
            https://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/equivalent to start.

          • ben

            Again, you can continue with the inane attempts at recovery, but as the two things he compared were not equivalent (I.E., as the play is NOT political commentary but he DOESN’T read Playboy for the articles), you will never win the argument.

  • Chimes

    Qu33rs have to attempt to shove their sick perverted life style in normal people’s face every way they can.

    • JeffWest

      I don’t see any evidence for that. But then again, I’m not looking for a reason to hate anyone.

    • Anonymous

      I have never had a “qu33r” shove anything in my face…but church-goers protests ARE thrown in the face of anyone and everyone. Get a grip.

  • Leigh A. Mumford

    WHEN I HEARD ABOUT CURIO’S SEASON I WAS JUMPING FOR JOY. GIVEN THE LOCATION OF CURIO, THEY ARE FINALLY EMBRACING THE GAY COMMUNITY HERE IN WEST PHILLY. WE ARE EVERYWHERE OUT HERE. QUEER IS HERE, AND WE ARE USED TO IT. DAY TO DAY WE LIVE GAY AND ARE ACCEPTED AS SUCH. IT DOESNT EVEN FAZE US ANYMORE BECAUSE WE ALL KNOW THAT BEING GAY DOESNT COMPLETELY DEFINE WHO WE ARE AS INDIVIDUALS, WHICH IS WHY WE FALL IN LOVE WITH ROMEO AND JULIET. LOVE SIMPLY HAS NO BOUNDARIES. IT CANNOT BE CONTROLLED BY ANY OUTSIDE SOURCE, IT MUST EXIST. IT IS TIME WE RECOGNIZE PEOPLE AND WHO WE “ALL” ARE. CAN YOU TELL ME THAT MOST OF SHAKESPEARE’S ACTORS WERE NOT GAY IN THEIR PRIVATE LIVES? DID THEY HIDE WHEN THEY WERE IN REHEARSALS WITH EACH OTHER? PROBABLY NOT. THEATRE, MY FRIENDS OPENS OUR MINDS AND HEARTS. WE HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY TO QUESTION THE WORLD WE LIVE IN. THIS IS THE BASIC LESSON WE LEARN IN ENGLISH 101. SHAKESPEARE HAD GAY RELATIONSHIPS PEOPLE. WAKE UP! WITHIN MERCHANT OF VENICE AND TWELFTH NIGHT, GENDER BENDING, THERE ARE UNDERLYING HINTS EVERYWHERE. WAKE UP AND SMELL YOUR SHAKESPEARE PEOPLE. TAKE A CLASS READ A FOLIO! SO WHY ARE WE IN SUCH SURPRISE OF CURIO’S PORTRAYAL? WHY DO WE CRITISIZZZE THIS YOUNG ACTORS COMPANY FOR DOING WHAT ARTISTS DO BEST? THEY ARE CHALLENGING THEMSELVES TO THE ” T” IN REHEARSALS. SIMPLY BEAUTIFUL. I AM SO PROUD TO KNOW THESE WONDERFULLY BRAVE PEOPLE. OUR COUNTRY IS READY TO OPEN ITS HOLES. WE ARE MOVING INTO AN ENLIGHTENED ERA OF ACCEPTANCE. GOD ACCEPTS AND DOES NOT JUDGE US, I KNOW THIS DEEPLY. GOD HAS CHANGED WITH THE TIMES. DO YOU THINK GOD CREATED US TO JUST FORGET US? I AM SENDING ANGELS OF LIGHT TO CURIO THEATRE COMPANY FROM AN OPEN PROUD LESBIAN FOR YOUR OPENING NIGHT OCTOBER 11TH, 2013.

    I HAVE DESIGNED LIGHTING FOR MANY SHOWS AT CURIO, NEVER DID I EVER THINK THEY WOULD GET TO THIS POINT. I AM SO PROUD OF ALL OF YOU AND I THANK YOU FOR LESBIAN ROMEO AND JULIET. I HAVE WORKED SO HARD ALL MY LIFE FOR THE GAY COMMUNITY. THIS SIMPLY IS A BREATH OF FRESH AIR. THIS ACTORS IS AN EXCITING IMPORTANT TIME ~ PAY ATTENTION.

    ROMEO ROMEO WHERE FOR ART THOU LESBIAN? THESE WORDS ALONE SIMPLY CANNOT EXIST ON A PAGE ALONE. WE MUST BRING THEM TO MODERN LIFE. I CANT WAIT TO SIT FOR THE FIRST TIME EVER IN THE FRONT ROW. ~

    KINDNESS TO THOSE WHO FEAR WHAT THEY DO NOT KNOW

    ~ LEIGH A. MUMFORD

    • Betsy Smith

      I think you are making up your own God to suit yourself.
      The problem Christians have with the play is the fact that it is in a CHURCH. And the Bible does condemn homosexuality as sin. It really, really does.

      • JeffWest

        A far more open-minded church than yours, apparently.

        • Ken3580

          Are you open minded enough to read the Bible? I thought not. That open minded garbage is just a lie. If someone agrees with you, they’re open minded and if they don’t they’re closed minded. To be perfectly honest with you, you are a dishonest manipulator and that’s ALL you are.

        • Betsy Smith

          It turns out the building is not currently being used as a church. Bad taste, but not the same thing.

        • Jamie Blair

          Jeff. The same word in the bible for “open-minded” is foolish.

          • arthur

            More proof that the bible was written to suppress.

    • Miles to Code

      Do we care? Not really.

    • Ken3580

      “Thinking themselves to be wise, they became fools…” (Romans 1) FOOLS! That’s truth. You are a FOOL.

    • aliswell

      “THEATRE, MY FRIENDS OPENS OUR MINDS AND HEARTS.”

      Accepting anything deviant because it’s anti-tradition isn’t opening your heart, Leigh, it’s opening up your soul to the manipulations of the Prince of Lies.

      Jesus is the best way to open your heart and mind. He loves you and He’s got your back. Not so with the creature you serve.

    • aliswell

      “GOD ACCEPTS AND DOES NOT JUDGE US, I KNOW THIS DEEPLY. GOD HAS CHANGED WITH THE TIMES.”

      God doesn’t change, His Word is eternal and His judgments are just. Be careful, Girl, you know not what you say. You think yourself wise and are instead made a fool.

    • Jamie Blair

      You may be surprised on Judgement day.

    • BusProf

      The gay thing is no big whoop – grew up in Berkeley. The all caps thing though….

    • ben

      OH MY GOD I AM YELLING I CANT STOP SOMEONE TELL ME HOW TO TURN OFF MY CAPS LOCK I CANT STOP AHHHHHHHHH WALL OF TEXT!!!!!!!!!!!

    • 1stAfterburner

      If one claims they are a Christian they must first trample their own bible to reach the same conclusion as you.
      New Testament:
      Romans 1:26
      26 For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; 27 and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error.

    • m2

      Does being gay make you type in all caps?

  • Miles to Code

    Wow, so some acting troupe puts on a gay version of a respected play. Need publicity much?

  • Ken3580

    Some young people today think they’re doing something good and see themselves as rebels akin to those who fought in the American Revolution or freed the slaves, but they have no clue. They do not understand the true purpose of sexuality (i.e., one man and one woman bonded in wonderful, romantic and devoted love for life). They are actually ignorant of these things and have no understanding. “Thinking themselves to be wise, they became fools.”

    • arthur

      Hilarious. Thanks for the reverse of insight.

  • Brip

    This article is INCORRECT and MISLEADING. The building USED to be a church but no longer is in use so is used by the community for other purposes. Shoddy journalism.

    • Betsy Smith

      So this has been much ado about nothing?

      • Brip

        Well it is misleading to imply it is in a “church”. It is in a building that used to be a church. It is just an independent theater group. No one worships there.

        • sdwlkjazz

          Actually several congregations, Methodist, Christian, Mennonite, and Jewish Worship there.

        • Prof Von Nostril
        • Betsy Smith

          Just been to their website and it is as Prof and sdwikjazz say. Why did you say it wasn’t a church anymore?

          • Brip

            I guess I was wrong and didn’t know religious groups started using the other side of the building for worship. It is still an “ex-church” that has been set up as a community center, which now rents space to all kinds of groups. It is not mainly a church and I was unaware religious groups have started renting out space. Sorry

          • Betsy Smith

            It’s okay.

      • Jorge A. Flores

        I can’t wait to see how it turns out on the twelfth night

        • Betsy Smith

          A lesbian production of, “Taming of the Shrew,” might be amusing.

          • BusProf

            Directed by Bill Clinton.

          • Betsy Smith

            Starring his wife!
            No, then he wouldn’t go.

    • lizbonbon

      Brip is correct it is not used as a church anymore, and God knows that. Therefor he can not see the hot, whoops, I mean evil production of R&J this theater company is doing.

      • lizbonbon

        I think we all deserve a medal for figuring out how to use the comment section on this retarded site.

    • BusProf

      “Shoddy journalism” <— redundant these days.

    • Prof Von Nostril
    • Betsy Smith

      Not true. I checked their website.

  • Clearhead

    A queer, one night in Khartouhm, Lured a lesbian up to his room. A terrible fight Raged all through the night Over which should do what, And to whom.

  • Cogito

    Perverts will get off where ever possible.

  • Duke_Sweden

    Do they kill themselves by injecting each other with the AIDS virus? In the name of making a political statement?

  • Len d

    2 men originally played the parts in Shakespeare ‘s time .

    • IAMreigns

      One was dressed as and represented a woman!

  • Reardon Steele

    I soooo loathe liberals for their assault on all that is good and decent.

    • arthur

      That’s what Jesus would say.

  • Insighter1

    Well, it is Philly after all.

  • abbeyconway

    Out numbered by wacko, hate filled Protestants! Just remember “Upon this rock…..” And he wasn’t talking to Calvin or Henry the Eighth!

  • insignia37

    At a church? C’mon now. Let’s get it together ladies.

    • raliel

      at a venue that USED to be a church and is now a theatre

    • BusProf

      Oh, they’re getting it together all right.

    • ben

      Yes I agree. Priests molesting young boys is much more appropriate activity in a church.

      • Don Miller

        When the Catholic church of America experienced a severe priest shortage, it looked at three options: ordaining women, allowing male priests to marry, or allowing homosexual men into the priesthood. The church decided to bring in the homosexuals. Well, we all know how that turned out, don’t we? The massive numbers of child rape by these homosexual priests has decimated the church. For once I agree with Ben. Homosexuals have no business in the priesthood.

        • Betsy Smith

          I find it hard to believe that the Catholic Church brought in homosexual men because there weren’t enough heterosexual men interested in the priesthood.
          I know homosexuals infiltrated the priesthood but I didn’t think it was a deliberate movement by the heads of the church to beef up their number of priests. Where should I look for information on this subject?

        • ben

          Interesting bit of an historical rewrite you’ve done there. I seem to be writing this a lot in this article, but *Citation Needed*

  • Johnny Domino

    I’m cool with 2 chicks if I can watch.

  • Consultofactus

    “For it is better to dildoed and lost than never to have dildoed at all…” (I know it’s not Shakespear, but it still works…)

  • Tony Konte

    So the 3.5% LGBTXYZ’s in the face of the 96.5%. Perhaps the 96.5% should go into there bastions and put on a play “Gay Conversion through God”

  • Jamie Blair

    Let em do what they want, they’re not offending those of us who’re going to heaven. The CHURCH is the body of true-believers and not a building.

    • Guest

      Why did Jesus drive the money-changers from the Temple,then?

      • BusProf

        I thought he saved one called Mathew.

        • Guest

          Matthew was a tax collected who converted and became a disciple but he was not at the Temple. (Matthew 9:9)

      • Jamie Blair

        That’s true. But why was the veil of the temple rent after the crucifixion? Any house can be a house of prayer. If God’s spirit is no longer there it can hardly be a church.

        • Guest

          The veil was torn by God as a communication that Christ had now opened the access to the Holiest of Holies to all mankind. If there are no services conducted in the building then it is just a building.

          • Jamie Blair

            Ah, ok. Makes sense.

  • Hymie Porkensteen

    LOL, Kweers and Kweers is what i call it.. stupid lesbo’s

  • BusProf

    After all, William was a cunning linguist.

  • Don Miller

    I heard that this “church” is staging this play in order to publicize the change of its name to the Sodom and Gomorrah United Methodist Church, followed by a mass buring of its Bibles. Don’t believe me? Can there be any other explanation?

    • BusProf

      It’s natural. They are thespians.

    • ben

      “Can there be any other explanation?”

      Heh. I’m pretty sure that there can be about 1,000 more explanations, all far more believable than the asinine explanation you have presented.

      Let’s try one – They aren’t as insanely stupid as you are?

      • Don Miller

        Hey Ben, “they aren’t insanely stupid as you are?” is why they’re staging this play? That’s the most compelling and brilliant explanation you can come up with? These idiots are promoting homosexuality in a Christian church and you’re preaching some politically-correct, secular garbage to me?

        • ben

          Don, let me make something very clear here. I have participated fully in the conversation on this article, with a wide range of people, Christians, atheists, and I’m sure others.

          In my experience, you are by FAR the dumbest person I have EVER come in contact with, and I can feel the intelligence quotient points leeching out of my brain just being exposed to your mindless, angry, intolerant, incoherent ramblings. Ergo, I will not be replying to you again.

          • Don Miller

            Ben…. “I have participated fully in the conversation on this article, with a wide range of people, Christians, atheists, and I’m sure others.” Oh, sure you have. In the absense of any argument, you turn to personal insults and attacks in both of your replies to me. Not one single argument — NOT ONE. Just personal attacks. And in your final sentence — “Ergo, I will not be replying to you again” — you stomp your angry, little, liberal foot and run away. Nice job, little boy! Now go ahead and keep telling everyone that “good” churches are supposed to celebrate and promote sodomy, while “bad” churches are the ones that preach the word of God and speak out against sodomy.

  • bxdanny

    This seems kind of ridiculous, since obviously two women could not marry in 16th-century Verona. So the whole context of the play isn’t really there.

    • BusProf

      There you go again, projecting rational thought and facts onto “art.”

    • Jetshade

      I don’t know, is it more ridiculous than the DiCaprio film?

  • John Galt

    Sodom!

    • ben

      Sodom? That’s that place where the forgiving, loving God murdered thousands of babies and children because of what their parents with (supposedly) free will were doing?

      • newguy40

        Hmmm. well maybe the inhabitants of Sodom should have been following God’s law? Where do you get the idea that you have any position in which to judge the creator of the Universe? You might want to take a peek at the book of Job.

        • arthur

          How about the Black Plague? 60% of Europe dead because of Christian superstition. And this actually happened, unlike Sodom.

          • newguy40

            Or, 911 and ~2200 people killed? Or, the 100000 killed in Rwanda’s ethinc cleansing? I don’t know why there has to be suffering. The difference is that I believe in redemptive suffering. And, while I pray for relief, I also pray for acceptance of God’s will. Try it some time. You’ll like it.

        • ben

          Just standard ethics that Christians apparently don’t hold themselves to. You know, the ethics to understand that there would have been babies – infants, toddlers, and newborns in that city. Babies that had no conception of their parents sin. Babies that had not lived a life long enough to break any commandments or anger God. And babies that were murdered in cold blood and with extreme hatred by a “loving, compassionate God”. Where the h3ll are your morals?? How can you justify such an evil, atrocious act???

      • Don Miller

        Ben is judging God? I’d love to be a fly on the wall on the day that God judges Ben.

        • ben

          Don’t worry, you won’t be (psss! He doesn’t exist!)

  • Guest

    It won’t be Shakespeare’s Romeo and Juliet with two girls. They will need to call it something else and they won’t be able to attribute it to Shakespeare. I’m turning in my Methodist membership.

  • Jeff

    Putin was right.

    The only thing America excels at these days is absurdity.

  • trashman

    The congregation needs to get rid of the pastor who would let this crap occur in a place of worship. But then again a crucifix in a glass of urine is considered art? How much lamer can society get?

    • Thomas McCarr

      I missed your post but great minds….

      • arthur

        Hates gays, hates Jews, loves Jesus. That’s his point.

  • marconi314

    More validation of my decision to go into a lucritive career that has nothing to do with liberal arts.

  • knighttemplar01

    Now that being and living a deviant lifestyle has been rammed down everyones throat. Moving “forward” lets debase the bard. Homosexuals comprise at most 5% of the 310 million of us. Yet we are constantly bombarded with their twisted perversion of life. As most are progressive liberals, when the day comes that sharia law becomes accepted, they’ll all disappear, Muslims either behead or stone homosexuals, but it is a theatrical way to go out.

    • Betsy Smith

      Bloody right.

    • arthur

      You’d be so happy living in Yemen.

      • knighttemplar01

        No, I would not, but most of us are sick and tired of the tail wagging the dog, there is nothing “gay” about homosexuals, and a rainbow is supposed to be about a bright moment not various perversions. We the majority have no need to know your sexual proclivities, any more then you need to know ours.

  • nobama

    The gay left strikes again. Why would 2 straight women even want to go there unless they had gay tendencies themselves. What a rotten way to poison such a good story.

  • Lyman_Sweetwater

    Of course a JEW is involved. Most left wing Jews are immoral to the core…

    • arthur

      Thank you for confirming your narrow-minded bigotry. You may now be disregarded as a failed American.

  • Thomas McCarr

    Well isn’t this special. Will they be changing the name to Romina & Juliet? Here’s an idea, perhaps they could find a way to fit the Jesus in a bottle of urine artwork into a prop; you know sitting on a mantle or something then, one could gaze into the other’s eyes and say “what did he know about life anyway”? Iconic!

    • BusProf

      I had Church Lady (SNL) visions while reading your post. Superior, Superior, …

      • nobama

        Could it be…..Satan?….

      • Thomas McCarr

        Thanks, wasn’t Dana Carvey great! At least in those days we could laugh; now it appears that the comedy has become the reality, and it’s a really, really dark comedy.

  • tiger90

    how come they wont perform their play in a mosque ?

    • Betsy Smith

      That would be dramatic!

      • ImJustAGuy

        Dramatically bloody. Muslims don’t tolerate stuff like that.

        • Betsy Smith

          Exactly.

  • Blandly_Urbane

    Um, sex is political now, they’ve seen to it.

    • BusProf

      And all this time I thought politics was sex.

      • Blandly_Urbane

        Well the pols kind of get it confused…I think. Now I’m not sure

  • The Voice of Reason

    It will bomb. Only their friends will show up.

    • arthur

      It’s experimental theater. It’s not meant to be “Jesus Christ Superstar.”

  • JoeUSA

    I think history is repeating itself. Weimar Germany anyone?

    • BusProf

      Careful with the truth, you could hurt somebody with that.

    • Cornballbrother

      Some elements are very similar. Maybe not the ones you’re thinking of. The tactics used by LGBT; ie Floyd Corkins, Charlie Rogers, Alexandra Pennel, Larry Brinkin, Boy Scouts, OWS, attacks on traditional values etc…. are very similar to those of the National Socialists ie Ernst Rohm, Thule Society, Alfred Rosenberg, Dietrich Eckart, KinderRover etc…. The main difference here is unlike Weimer Germany, the US Federal Gov. is incredibly powerful and doesn’t seem to be vulnerable like Weimar, at least not yet.

      • JoeUSA

        Well the difference is we ALREADY have the Nazis in our government. Nazis in Weimar Germany were a political party and they were eventually elected into power. In our case our politicians have been bought or blackmailed into selling out the country. We’ve been taken over from within.

  • Vasco DeGama

    so when in act 1 scene 1 when Romeo professes his undying love for some other women to Benvolio, before meeting Juliet, how exactly will the female “Romeo” play that part???

  • JoeUSA

    I wonder how well this play would go over if it was performed at a Jewish Temple instead of a Christian Church?

  • Vasco DeGama

    I guess the next version will start the head of NAMBLA and a 9 year old boy ’cause ya gotta be sensitive to everyone!….

    • Prof Von Nostril

      Haha…funny thing is, in Shakespear’s day the female roles were played by boys and effeminate men.

      • Guest

        But they were playing a role as a woman opposite a man, not two women.

        • Prof Von Nostril

          Point awarded…..

  • nobama

    Brokeback Castle.

  • Ricardo Queso

    Apparently, Julie et some snatch.

  • Trev1331

    Just as dressing circus elephants up in funny hats and making them dance does not alter our basic understanding of elephant behavior, the underlying Shakespeare is unchanged. This is a narcissistic stunt and theatrically uninteresting

    • Prof Von Nostril

      I don’t think they’ll be invited to the Stratford festival this year…

    • ImJustAGuy

      Don’t let their denials fool you. It IS a political statement.

  • Gil Vietor

    Get edgy, do it in a Mosque.

    • Betsy Smith

      Sharp edge of a sword you mean.

    • InsidiousLexicon

      That would require a spine, as opposed to posturing and posing as a “rebel”.

  • Hank Wanky

    More like “Rosie O and Juliet”. Ha. Score.

    • Aviator 1970

      Rosie O and Degenerate

  • Rationalista2

    Are you actually expecting Biblical theology from Methodists nowadays ?

    Here’s what God thinks about homosexuality as He revealed it to Paul through Jesus Christ in Romans 1:

    “For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened.

    Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another.

    Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones.

    In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.”

    1 Corinthians 6:9-10: “Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God.”

    BTW – here’s the REAL agenda and what it’s about:

    Demanding tolerance gave way to demanding equality which gave way to demanding recognition which is now giving way to demanding superiority.

    So much for the Stonewall excuse that all they wanted was to be “left alone”…

    Gay fascists won’t be satisfied until they’ve silenced every opposition – especially true born again Bible believing Christians…

    Examine evidence where Christianity is being intimidated through bullying, threats, intimidation, laws or lawsuits – Christian business owners who are approached by gay couples trying to force them into compromising their beliefs and then suing them when they won’t…gays picketing churches who’s ministers preach that homosexuality is a sin – does that sound like “tolerance” ?

    It’s happening more and more – so it’s not just about
    marriage equality anymore – it’s about eradicating any ideology that disagrees with homosexuality.

    • Betsy Smith

      I like to start with Romans 18-20. I think it really helps explain the rest.

      • Prof Von Nostril

        Or Proverbs 29:20…not being directed at anyone but myself of course!

  • Waiting, waiting, and waiting.

    How about the story retold as a Democrat marrying a Republican, and we can perform it at someplace that would be offended by it… it won’t be political…

    How about the story retold as Christian marrying a Muslim and we can perform at an Atheist groups favorite meeting place… but it won’t be religious…

    How about retelling it as 2 conservatives marrying, and we can perform it in Hollywood whereever liberal / progressive actors / actresses like to gather… again… it won’t be political…

    Gimme a break.

    • Miles to Code

      The Dem/Rep marriage already happened. Remember Carville/Matlin?

  • Hoof Hearted

    Aside from the disgusting aspect of today’s gay militant propaganda, I might enjoy seeing those two writhing naked together in bed.

  • sidweiss

    i guess this is the montihues and the DECAPULATES lol

  • Pizza the Hut

    Me like!

    • nobama

      U wood.

      • Pizza the Hut

        What do you have against gay people

        • nobama

          Well… they’re gay. Are you gay too?

  • hudsonvalleywest

    Disgusting. I wonder if they will change the ending so that the two lesbos don’t commit suicide. I mean that wouldn’t be celebration of the deviant culture. Perhaps they’ll both survive and run off to a gay pride parade!

  • baseballpro

    They should perform this in Russia with Putin as a VIP guest.

  • Bob

    There is no depth to which the homosexual mafia will not sink. And apparently Methodists are OK with it.

    • Pizza the Hut

      What do you have against gay people?

      • nobama

        Em, they’re GAY.

        • Pizza the Hut

          I bet I can find things you do in your life that I do not approve of. How about I start saying you can no behave in that way.

          • ImJustAGuy

            Are you auditioning for the thought police now?

          • Pizza the Hut

            Nope I am not. I really could care less what you do or anyone else does. My major point is this play has zero affect on how you live your life. If you want to control the way gay people live their life why cannot I do the same with you.

          • ImJustAGuy

            Slow your roll there, partner. I NEVER said I wanted to control anyone’s life.

        • arthur

          And human beings, and fellow American citizens, and probably Christians as well, the last two just like you.

    • ImForgivenToo .

      yeah, they even hire lesbian “pastors”

    • arthur

      You’re saying every homosexual is an Italian gangster? This changes everything.

  • helvispresley

    i love how everyone is so upset about a work of fiction. btw i am talking about the bible.

    • InsidiousLexicon

      I wish I was as brave and “edgy” as you.
      Never mind that the Muslims will cut off your face if you slander THEIR “work of fiction”…You’re standing up to the wild monsters of the crucifix!

      How valiant!

  • Pizza the Hut

    Really people if you do not want to see it than do not see it. No one is forcing you to watch this show. This play has been adapted so many times (Even Shakespeare has done adaptions of this in a way.) Get over yourself and just do not pay for a ticket.

    • ImJustAGuy

      We won’t see it. But that last time I checked, this IS a forum free from PC censorship.

      • Pizza the Hut

        No one is forcing you to watch this play. You flipping out over it wanting them to stop it IS THOUGHT POLICE!

        • ImJustAGuy

          You’re leaping to conclusions. I’m not flipping out over anything. I merely commented.

  • BobbiM

    The UMC traded Biblical Christianity for political correctness decades ago.

  • Huskystar

    No real church would openly mock God..

    • arthur

      As there’s no real God, there’s not much danger.

      • russell shoats

        I am glad you will find out the hard way.

  • Koyaanisqatsi

    I hope the ‘church’ gets shut down.

    • Grumpy Cat

      You mean ‘Our Lady of the Night’?

  • 1stAfterburner

    New, not Old Testament:
    Romans 1:26-27

    26 For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; 27 and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women andwere consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error.

    • arthur

      Yes, I can understand Iron-age illiterates seeing things that way.

      • 1stAfterburner

        My message is for those who claim to adhere to Iron-age principles yet rebel against them at the same time. If you are not a Christian, the message is not for you.

  • potvin

    Wherefore art thou carpetmuncher?

  • Trenchtown Rocket

    Filthy lesbians!

    • arthur

      If by “filthy” you mean “adorable”, I agree.

      • Majolica

        No, Trenchtown simply meant “filthy.”

  • walter12

    This poor and sick nation of ours has gone insane. Judgement is coming and it will not be pretty.

  • flowpants

    I would definitely do Romeo.

  • kthomp1123

    And they wonder why people beat the hell out of gay people and bully them. I’m not saying they doth bring it upon themselves, but I am saying people like this bring it on they who doth not bring it upon themselves.

  • Greg W

    This religious drivel would be hilarious if the people promoting it didn’t have voting rights. People can cast whomever they wish for a play, you don’t have to watch the performance.

    • Majolica

      I can imagine the howls if a church hosted “Sodom and Gomorrah” play – according to the Bible.

  • Rhinobuster

    Way to go Methodists. I knew I was correct in leaving you decades ago when you were on your way to decadence..
    Wonder what old John Wessley thinks of his flock?

  • TangentToWhat

    Perform what you wish, but the women stay in jail.

    Vlad

  • ImForgivenToo .

    Romeo ad Juliet??? have they no shame to ruin such a play !!
    disgusting !

  • InsidiousLexicon

    “But women can marry now and claim each other on their taxes. “

    If that’s not real love, I don’t know what is.

    • Prof Von Nostril

      It’s called the marriage penalty tax. About time.

      • InsidiousLexicon

        What’s your point?

        • Prof Von Nostril

          Well….as insidious as it may sound especially when I’m not married…my gay friends have lived together for decades, now they want to get married. That is where two people sign an agreement with the state to allow the state to determine who gets what, when or if they decide to break up. In addition they are penalized in many situations by the idiotic tax laws. I don’t think they are very bright for signing a contract with the state. That’s all a marriage license is, a contract with the state.

          • InsidiousLexicon

            Fantastic! So it’s not really about “loving who you want to love”, it’s really about the state subsidizing sexual deviancy.

            Glad we got rid of that particularly tired canard.

          • Prof Von Nostril

            You are assuming I approve of other peoples conduct. Not necessarily so, but you can “jump to conclusions” it is a fun game.

          • InsidiousLexicon

            It is indeed a fun game. Especially when I’m indifferent about your opinions from the get-go.

          • Prof Von Nostril

            We now return you to your regularly scheduled television/MK-Ultra “programming”

            I’m gone

          • InsidiousLexicon

            You must’ve been the kid in primary school who never learned to cope with hurt feelings.

  • JimmyChonga

    From a Tragedy to a pathetic waste of time and talent. Poor Shakespeare will be rolling in his grave.

  • jmp1

    Romeo is a Tranny right? That’s the surprise ending?

    • Miles to Code

      My guess is the entire production won’t get out of first gear.

  • CenCalDevil

    shouldn’t they at least rename it Romena & Juliet?

  • JorgeGeorge777

    The devil is in the church.

  • CenCalDevil

    “hmmmmmmm, how we can s**t all over classic. I know!’
    hahaha.

  • Mike

    They should ban all scenes of lesbianism for the perversion that it is; except for the real hot ones, of course.

  • 1stAfterburner

    What about brother & sister romance Jack and Jill, is that next? Or how about a little polygamy with Romeo, Judy, Jill and Juliet?

    • Centipede Galaga

      Peter Singer believes that bestiality is justified also. So, there may be some animal & human situations soon also.

  • Mr. Bernard Wijeyasingha

    O Julio Julio! wherefore art thou Julio? Deny thy Gender and refuse thy name; Or, if thou wilt not, be but sworn my love, And I’ll no longer be a Romeo.

  • Malcolm Andrews

    United Methodist Churches have been apostate for a long time.

  • BruddahNui

    But it’s not a political statement, they promise.Riiiiight. Moronic.

  • amitorelocato

    That is not a church……it is a synagogue of satan.

  • IsleOracle

    I’m holding out for “All the President’s Women” or “Left Stuff.” How about Henriette the Eight?

    Little Men is coming soon.

  • Rodeo Clown

    Methodists went the way of h3ll 25 years ago. Couldn’t drag me in one of their places of self worship. They along with misguided Mormons, pushed the boy scouts into a homosexual bastion.

  • LCDR USN Ret

    Are you effin kidding me? In a church? Has the pastor not read the Gospel?

  • another_engineer

    Methodist is not really a religion, it’s more like a social gathering with covered plate lunches where everyone from child rapists to the psychotic are welcome.

    • MikeB

      Thats called diversity

    • Majolica

      So is that why Hillary is a Methodist?

      • Betsy Smith

        I do think it helped her along the road to where she is now. Forget the Gospel, aim for social justice and the end justifies the means. It gives you a great excuse to force your will on other people.

  • Sigint

    They’re all ‘straight’…right…..it’s all just a way to support out of work actreses in Philly.

  • Burma pilot

    Oooooo! How edgy.

    Lemme know when they do it in a Mosque.

    (we all know they’ll get hurt there, in a church? Naaa. Remember, aim low, that way you’ll always win!)

    • another_engineer

      Yup… they’re all “cutting edge” as long as it’s bashing christians.

  • Orwell

    Well golly GEE! Throw some sheep in thar too!

  • another_engineer

    And 10 years from now Rachel Gluck (pictured, left) and Isa St. Clair (right), Will still be saying ” Would you like fries with that? “

  • Henrietta Hicks

    Dat so dam durty, take a nice movie like romo and jelliet and turn it into lesbo eaten on dey poosies. Aint no reason to take a nice stury and fukk it up. Lesbo so godammed dum.

  • jcd0101

    Try it in a MOSQUE
    you bunch of liberal cowards..

    You KNOW your heads would not remain attached for very long, but not before you were both raped and abused by your new muslim overlords..

    So its a SAFE BET to abuse and intimidate christians
    Because you KNOW christians wont go around
    sawing your dumb liberal heads off..

    • 4shoes

      EXACTLY jcd0101!!!

  • 1NonPermissive

    Lesbos go to hell anyway.

  • 8Jack_Wood8

    I have no problems with lesbianism. In fact, anybody that eatspussy is a friend of mine.

  • bonehead41

    Another silly attempt by gay activists to distort and plagiarize a story to promote their deviant agenda.

    • http://www.mamaditto.com mamaditto

      Just business as usual for the purveyors of Big Sodomy.

  • Piquerish

    Homeo! Homeo! What for art thou? Nothing like a little uphill gardening to get the juices flowing.

    • Jim Harrington

      @ piq: you owe me a keyboard.

  • bovnyccc

    It is a publicity stunt. It makes no sense to me in any other way.

  • pfbonney

    I can’t wait until they perform their act in a Mosque!

  • Rockut

    Highly offensive Blasphemy!

  • Natassia

    I don’t even know what to say anymore.

  • NoYogaPantsPlease

    Perform it in a Mosque if you are so bold ladies.

    • will

      allahu akbar

    • Jim Harrington

      Truth to power dat!

      These spineless twits haven’t got the huevos to do anything to offend the religion of peace.

  • T S

    It’s really not a church. It’s just a United Methodist building. Just because you haven’t gotten around to taking down the cross doesn’t mean you’re still a church once you abandon the key tenets of the faith.

  • Cincinnatus

    The depraved “give us an inch and we’ll take a mile” crowd never disappoints. They always show who they are, even after getting their petulant demands, by hook or by crook.

  • Kini

    The Bard is rolling in his grave

  • Bob White

    This is no church. Just a building. The bible does not have a loophole for sodomites. They can agree to whatever they like the bible does not. Methodists must have lost the way, as the bible also said would occur toward the end.

    • Betsy Smith

      Many Methodists have stopped going to Methodist churches and that is why they have been turned into multipurpose venues.

      • Bob White

        Methodists have been mislead by Satan. The bible plainly warned against this, but I guess Methodist just don’t really believe their bible. Could not be more plain, Sodomites are hell bound.

        • Betsy Smith

          I just know there are people attending Methodist churches who don’t agree with these things but feel they have no power within the church organization to change anything.

          Many have left and that is why the buildings are so empty.

  • Archduke Ferdinand

    But soft. What snatch through yonder window breaks.
    It is the yeast and the infection is starting to run.

    • Majolica

      Yuk.

    • m2

      Lo! But the stench hath weakened my stomach, and dropped me to my knees. Fetch my pail, pilgrim.

  • DWagner12

    Calvary United Methodist Church Methodists in West Philadelphia is not Catholic.
    So why have some bloggers come here to trash the Catholic Church ? Why isn’t the Methodist Church the subject of your distain? Is this just a excuse to trash a church that is against homosexuality and supports marriage between a man and a women?

  • deeply divided

    Not to judge one way or the other, but does it seem to require the willful suspension of disbelief?

    “…Gluck and Isa St. Clair, both of whom are straight in real life, are playing Romeo and Juliet, respectively.

    “I had been thinking that it would be interesting to do Romeo and Juliet as a same-sex production,” says Gluck.“

    Can’t we even be a little honest about it?

  • laurie66bay

    Obviously this church is more of a liberal social club than an actual church.

    • Start The Revolt

      Spiritually dead churches like this one are really at the heart of the problem.

  • LuppersMom

    If you want to WRITE YOUR OWN play about this crapola or put on a stage production of Rubyfruit Jungle, knock yourself out. It is a free country. Express yourself and maybe some other dimwit will clap. You have the right. However, from a literary and artistic perspective this production is a joke. Revisionist Shakespeare is third rate art. Yes, even West Side Story (though I like the music).
    Most of the comments here are religious bickering. Someone needs to say that this play was dramatically ill conceived. No, I have not seen it, but the idea of changing the script that radically is like performing a symphony with kazoos. Gimmicky.
    As a British Literature scholar, I can only wince at this. R & J has never been one of his great plays, but even so I hate to see it come to this. At least they didn’t touch Lear.

    • Majolica

      Dear, dear, dear. A British Literature “scholar.”

      As Eliza Doolittle (there’s a little “Shaw revisionism” for you) would say, “My, ain’t we proud!”

    • Start The Revolt

      They would change King Lear to King Queer.

  • libsmakemelaugh

    Mhmmm, sodomy

  • HansGruber

    My father would read scripture and talk about the “end times” a lot when I was a boy, I never knew what he meant at the time, but I do now

  • 4shoes

    When will all the cowardly Christian bashers move on to islam?

    • m2

      And the very first thing the Islamo-barbarians would do is chop every damn one of their heads off.

      • Start The Revolt

        In that case I’ll donate the first one way ticket for them. Any takers? Speak up homo0s, anyone? Nothing but crickets.

  • Wayne Bergeron

    “Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter!” -Isaiah 5:20

    Is nothing sacred anymore?

  • toohottohandle

    Puke

  • mstaken

    Local theatre company decides to take a classic and put a twist on it, a different view and suddenly it’s all Sodom and Gomorrah. Chill out people. It’s a play, it’s being done with an all female cast. There was a time, actually in Shakespeare’s time, when women were banned from the stage. I think this is a wonderful change. It’s interesting, thought-provoking and more than about time. You don’t agree? You don’t like it? It doesn’t mesh with your view? Don’t go see it.

    • Majolica

      “Thought-provoking”? What exactly is thought provoking about it? It’s a lesbian romance. It would seem one grasps the point at once.

      • mstaken

        So, when this was originally done and Juliet (and all the female roles) was performed by a man in a dress and wig, was it a “gay” romance?

        • Majolica

          Can you truly be serious?

          In this new version, the dramatic intent is that both women will be perceived as women. “But she’s also falling in love with a woman, which is not only against the rules of the Church, but it’s also a surprise to herself.” The story line here is girl loves girl.

          In Shakespeare’s time, the dramatic intent was that the faux girl represented a real girl. The story was about a girl and a boy falling in love.

          What else is there to say on that point?

          • m2

            Today’s gay-jihadist movement fancies itself above all of the great achievements of human history. Next they’ll be rewriting the US Constitution. A few decades ago no one would take such arbitrary liberties with something like a work of Shakespeare, but I guess that’s what shows what amateurs they really are.

          • Not Trusting

            Well said!

        • Jim Harrington

          @miss stake- Are you really this freakin’ stupid? Please tell me you pulled the plug on your gene pool!

        • Steve Bshaw

          Isn’t all theatre gay?

        • Start The Revolt

          No, that would make it Transgendered. LOL So many perversion I can’t even keep up with them all!

    • Steve Bshaw

      How do you know that it is thought provoking if the play has not yet happened? My understanding of interpreting and evaluating plays, which admittedly, comes entirely from friends who are in that field, is that a play cannot really be evaluated or interpreted in its written form. It must be performed. And would you think it as “interesting and thought provoking” if it were recast so that Romeo was a 50 year old man and Juliet a 16 year old girl?

      • Rockut

        Well, the liberals now think its ok for teachers to seduce thier students….

  • toohottohandle

    This almost as funny as the Phillies this year.

  • quizibo

    During the time of Shakespeare all characters were played by men. Juliet was originally played by a man.

    • Majolica

      And your point is?

    • Tim O’Keefe

      Excellent point

  • Dan

    What a fine production for a church to support!!

    • Tim O’Keefe

      Is it possible this Methodist Church no longer has services?

      • Dan

        I would hope so. BTW, my first statement was intended to be facetious.

        • Tim O’Keefe

          Yes I figured that out Dan. They should have started slower like a new version of My Dinner with Andre or something.

  • Majolica

    And yet if the media reported that a church was to host a Biblically-faithful play about Sodom and Gomorrah, we can just imagine the reaction.

    • mstaken

      Most people wouldn’t get it, Sodom and Gomorrah was about inhospitality

      Lot was violating the custom of Sodom…by entertaining unknown guests
      within the city walls at night without obtaining the permission of the
      elders of the city. When the men of Sodom gathered around to demand that
      the strangers be brought out to them, “that they might know them,” they
      meant no more than to “know” who they were, and the city was
      consequently destroyed not for sexual immorality, but for the sin of
      inhospitality to strangers.

      • brunnno

        Funny! Good one -

      • Not Trusting

        Learn to read! The town was rampant with sexual immorality, that’s why Lot offered his VIRGIN daughters, so they would leave his “guest” alone. #1 because they were angels/messengers from God & #2 because in their culture during those days, when you took one into your home, you defended them with your life as one of your own!
        Geesh, it’s called read then research! Then, if you’re able (clearly your not) form an educated, well researched opinion, especially if your going to attempt to “teach/school” others!
        Inhospital to strangers? Why then was ONLY Lots’ family spared? What a drip!

      • Start The Revolt

        I see you’re reading the NHV Bible (New Hom0 Version) That’s the one where they change the words so that God blesses the perverts. The NHV Bible even has Adam and Steve instead of Adam and Eve.

      • Betsy Smith

        You could turn that into quite an amusing comedy spoof.

        I can only assume you aren’t serious. If you are I would like to know where you got this idea because you sure didn’t get it from the Bible.

      • Tim O’Keefe

        Perhaps it was their lack of lubricants.

  • VHG1

    It’s not a political statement? Then what is it?

    • m2

      No, it’ can’t be a political statement. They went ahead and told us that it isn’t. So, we have to just pretend now that it isn’t. Now we know! We don’t have to think for ourselves any more! Yes we can!

      It’s like when Odumbo says that Benghazi is a phony incident when it has been over a year, people were killed because of his ineptitude, and yet he says all is peachy and no problem.

      Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain. It’s all so Uber-phony!

    • mstaken

      Romeo and Juliet WAS a political statement at the time!

  • gregorovich512

    This truly is an abomination before the Lord!

  • Preston Venzant

    …sigh…

  • Jim Harrington

    Wow, this hep kats are so edgy…..Bahahahaha!

  • That Texas Guy!

    Really? Do we need to shred Shakespeare this way?

  • Steve Bshaw

    Worth seeing if the fight between Romeo and Tybalt is a naked cat fight.

  • arkivx

    Who cares if they are rug munchers?

    • Tim O’Keefe

      “Romeo is a dishclout to County Paris.” The Nurse

  • stopthemooching

    It used to be in Shakespeare’s time, all acting roles were played by men, so I supposed using all women is fair. However, the fact that these morons are performing this in a church just makes them pigs.

  • James Anderson

    This is definitely what many of the main line denominations have sunk to. The news is so surreal, Christ’s return for His Church has to be immanent. I strongly suggest that everyone repent so that you will not be left here to endure the wrath of Satan and then the wrath of God. http://www.artwanted.com/imageview.cfm?ID=384653

    • hopenothate

      THe wrath of God and Satan will be infinitely preferable to listening to the Christian right bleat on about their so called “morals”. Bring on Armageddon if it’ll get rid of you awful people.

  • Northwest_Raised

    Homeo and Juliet. Can’t wait to miss it.

  • Alan

    Yep I agree they aren’t trying to make a political statement.
    Just trying to make a publicity stunt to get famous & then reap the rewards

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Max-Fisher/100003558241969 Max Fisher

    These people should be hunted down and killed.

  • DaCoachK

    This is not a real church because there is no way a church would allow such, optimal word being “real.” It is just a pretend church, and it is like the pretend marriages homos get.

  • William Volk

    A lesbian version of a Shakespeare play? Why? It doesn’t take a genius to take a great work of literature and crap on it. It’s like painting a male Mona Lisa. Is that cutting-edge? Typical shallow liberal tripe and cheap shock value passing itself off as “art.” I’m sure the critics will love it, but the average person will care less. Personally, I’m a fan of Shakespeare’s work and would only be interested in seeing a faithful rendition of his plays. They don’t need to be improved by making them into pop culture political statements about the gay lifestyle. I wouldn’t be surprised if someone got an NEA grant for this garbage.

    • Tim O’Keefe

      I hear they will be remaking The Dirty Dozen with Lesbians ( Jim Brown will keep his role thank you.)

    • Shocked at ignorance

      Haha so you only see Shakespeare plays where every role is filled by men? Idiot.

    • Andrew

      William, there’s no chance in hell that you have ever read Shakespeare before. Your brain capacity could never handle the Bard’s words and stories.

  • Lucas Roberts

    I have never seen so much pathetic hatred as homophobic rants posted in the name of God. You can pretend you’re saving souls, if you want, but the bile you feel is animalistic hate. It is evil and unthinking, it precedes rational thought, and no amount of quotations from Psalms can change that.

    • Lee Bishop

      You need to read your Bible. Start with Romans I:26-32.

      • Tim O’Keefe

        “You kiss by the book.” Juliet

      • Lucas Roberts

        You need to grow up, and identify the hate you feel without masking it with quotes from Romans. You are full of anger and hate: you can cite the Bible but it won’t evict the awful feelings you have towards other human beings. Call it “religion” all you like, it sounds to me like any racist rant from the ’40s and the underlying psychology is the same. Flinging quotes from an old book doesn’t invalidate your pathetic attempt to degrade human beings you have never met.

        • Lee Bishop

          They’ve elected to degrade themselves.

      • smalltragedy

        You need to read Romans 2:1, it comes a paragraph later and goes a little something like this: 1Therefore, you have no defense, Oh man,who judges his neighbor, for that in which you judge your neighbor, of that you are guilty yourself, for you also who are judging are engaged in those things.

  • Blarney Bimfold

    Come on peeps…did you really expect anything less from the lefty loon Methodists? They abandoned the Bible years ago and it is merely a relic to look upon once in a while.

  • Smith Wesson

    Amazing, this country has no many issues to tackle but the one that is most important is all things “gay”. I don’t consider two guys that butt-slam to be some kind of heroes, nor do I think two chicks carpet dancing to be romantic. Do what you want but don’t tell me it’s normal or right. If that’s the case then legalize polygamy and beastiality. Being gay is no less or better than the latter two.

    • g

      Ummm…There is nothing wrong with polygamy…you should do research on polyamory before you comment.

  • Tony

    Wonder how many of you stone throwers had sex before you were married.

    • Tim O’Keefe

      You mean with the spouse?

  • benjaminnapier

    This is a good idea. It hurts no one and is an interesting way to look at an old and timeless story. REmember, those that do not like do not have to buy a ticket and go see it.

  • Joe blow

    Rachael Gluck? I’m gettin’ the Heebie Jeebies.

  • jetjok64

    Is it too late to cast Carmen Electra and Pam Anderson in this play. I’d pay to see that.

  • BiffBoop

    Sodomites and Muslims are the two riders of the Pale Horse of the Apocalypse: Death and Hades (Rev. 6:7-8).

    Once sodomites (Death) control the West and Muslims (Hades) control the East – both near completion – these two minions of Satan will turn against each other and conflagrate the earth, bringing the Apocalypse.

    • hopenothate

      Ah yes, the Bible, written by fallible men 1500 years ago. Not really a credible source is it?

    • Andrew

      If the apocalypse is the end of Christianity then I gladly welcome it.

  • Greg Johnson

    Shock Theatre…….what can we do to encourage ticket sales?

    • calhoun211

      Lick some carpet?

  • dbt3481

    The American left, always keeping it classy..

  • JamesFrancis75

    MORE brainwashed zombies on display

  • dan690

    Won’t they have to call it Juliet & Juliet?

    • Tim O’Keefe

      How about Much Ado about Nothing?

  • Snowpersonable

    The Methodist Church has fallen to a new low in an attempt to be “politically correct” in embracing and lending credibility to a lifestyle that offers nothing but shame and despair. Woe be unto those who call good evil and evil good.

  • Lee Bishop

    You can see why the Methodists have lost the equivalent of one church every day for the last 30 years. Disgusting how they’ve perverted God’s word.

    • Start The Revolt

      Payback is going to be a bitch! LOL!

  • calhoun211

    Which one will Madcow play?

    • Cornballbrother

      muffonious, be not a muncher nor a munchee be, and get a harness as costly as thy purse will bear. For a dyke oft judged for the quality of her steely dans.

  • Anonymous

    This thread just shows the hate within religion. All religion. You people should be ashamed of yourselves.

    • Brad Vacek

      If you are proud of your opinion in the matter, why post anonymously?

      • Bernard Clark

        Most of you so called “Christians” are about as unChrist-like in word or deed as it gets. Christ never judged others for their choices, if those choices brought no harm to others. He surrounded himself with whores, criminals and the bereft. He offered only Love and compassion. He diligently worked to improve the lives of others. His single act of anger was directed at those who used Religion to take advantage of others. Rather than spewing your vile hate at others publicly, perhaps you should be spending your time in quiet contemplation, praying to God to open your heart?

  • Tim O’Keefe

    “A rose by any other name would still smell as sweet.” Juliet

  • Tim O’Keefe

    “Tis not so deep as a grave nor wide as a church door.” Mercutio

  • HopeyChangey

    I’d like to see the android version, where one is unaware the other is an android, or they both may be. “Robot and Robot.” Party time – excellent.

  • Pizza the Hut

    I still think this is an interesting idea for a play.

  • Lisa Vollrath

    Two thoughts:

    I can’t help but think, reading over the comments posted here, that most of the folks posting them have probably never read Shakespeare in their lives, let alone seen it performed live. You wouldn’t have gone to see it anyway, so what’s the difference whether they cast women, zebras, or robots?

    In Shakespeare’s day, all plays were performed by men. In the original production in the late 1500s, both Romeo and Juliet were played by men. There is nothing new under the sun…

  • Andrew

    Famed actress Charlotte Cushman and her sister played Romeo & Juliet in Philadelphia at Walnut Street Theatre in 1846. Religious freaks, get over it, this has been done before, not just with lesbians, but with lesbian sisters and NOBODY COMPLAINED. Christers just can’t go a single day without condemning someone, not realizing that what they’re doing has been done for hundreds of years. Move on. Go pray for yourselves, nutbags. http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/06/theater/women-as-shakespeares-men.html?_r=0