Whoa. The Pope Basically Out in Favor of Gay Rights

This is big. Asked a question yesterday about the alleged “gay lobby” that protects priests in the Vatican, Pope Francis gave what is undoubtedly the most progressive papal response ever regarding gay rights.

When I meet a gay person, I have to distinguish between their being gay and being part of a lobby. If they accept the Lord and have good will, who am I to judge them? They shouldn’t be marginalized. The tendency [to homosexuality] is not the problem … they’re our brothers.”

Speaking to reporters at the end of an eight-day trip to Brazil, Francis was similarly open to the idea gay priests and clergy, while reinforcing the Church’s condemnation homosexual acts; Pope Benedict XVI, by contrast, signed a 2005 document that decreed gay men could not become priests. It’ll be fascinating to see if Philly Archbishop Charles Chaput responds in any way. He’s been an outspoken opponent of gay marriage–and he’s got a weekly column. But this is the leader of the Catholic Church we’re talking about, a man with a direct line to God. [NCR]

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  • John Christopher sunol

    Homosexuality is a No No in the church, Gay Marriage is an abominationto the Lord and very evil. Lots oepople are being deceived by this form Satan who is an Angel in sheeps clothing

  • Democratsnforward NotBackward

    THE RELIGIOUS HYPOCRISY OF HETEROSEXUAL MARRIAGE EQUALITY OPPONENTS:

    Heterosexual “marriage equality opponents” took the “until death do us part” vow in front of God, yet they have a 50% divorce rate in the U.S. They have sex outside of marriage (40.7 percent of children are born out of wedlock in this country), millions violate a Christian biblical 10th Commandment to not commit adultery, and many marry NOT for love but for opportunity, wealth, and other UN-Christian reasons. They also have MULTIPLE marriages in their lifetime, and (statistically) nearly 1 out of 5 straight men rape straight women, and 1 out 3 straight women murder babies through abortion in this country.

    The opponents sure like to detract from all of THEIR “sins,” as a heterosexual group and try to point their finger at me, a gay dude, but before pointing the finger at me, they clearly have LOT to fix within their own heterosexual group! Their hypocrisy is as clear as the light of day. Further, religious persecutionists essentially claim that they worship a God which hates, divides, and is against equality. Thank goodness I don’t support “their God.” MY GOD, supports ALL Americans (and all persons around the world) no matter who they love, the color of their skin, their faith, or gender, and I celebrate equality and love not religious hate and persecution.

  • Democratsnforward NotBackward

    A HISTORY OF RELIGIOUS DEATH, PERSECUTION, AND
    HATE:

    Moreover, the bible has lead to the slaughter of more people than any and all was combined “in the name of God,” the bible has lead to the persecution of Jews for the last ONE THOUSAND years, the bible has been used to prove that Whites can OWN Blacks as slaves, and now ignorant individuals want to get involved in my sex & love life and use the bible to say I can’t marry who I want. All of the aforementioned has been sanctioned and is currently being instigated (anti-gay animus) by Christianity by way of using their own religious interpretation (and passed down interpretation) to oppress based on gender, sexual orientation, religion, and ethnicity.

    In his book, “Holy Horrors: An Illustrated History of Religious Murder and Madness,” James A. Haught chronicles a thousand years of religious hate ranging from the witch hunts, to the numerous crusades, to the Holy Inquisition, to the religious anti-Semitic influence, which lead to the Persecution of Jews for the last 1,000 years. Also, theologian Richard Rubenstein wrote in his book, “After Auschwitz: Religion and the Origins of the Death Camps,” that the Nazis “did not invent a new villain…they took over the 2,000-year-old Christian tradition of the Jew as a villain. The roots of the death camps must be sought in the mythic structure of Christianity.”

    Here is just one biblical passage that fueled Jewish hatred: “You suffered from your own countrymen the same things those churches suffered from the
    Jews, “WHO KILLED THE LORD JESUS” and the prophets and also drove us out. They displease God and are hostile to all men in their effort to keep us from speaking to the Gentiles so that they may be saved. In this way they always heap up their sins to the limit. The wrath of God has come upon them at last.” (1 Thessalonians 2:14-16).

    Throughout history, numerous individuals have pointed to specific passages in the Bible that have
    been used to validate slavery. One insightful book, “Noah’s Curse: The Biblical Justification of American Slavery,” by Stephen R. Haynes, further shows how just “one” biblical passage fueled anti-Black sentiment over the course of hundreds of
    years. The biblical passage, “A servant of servants shall he be unto his brethren,” reads Noah’s curse on Ham. Ham is later identified as the ancestor of black Africans, and this particular biblical passage is just one that has been used historically to justify African-American slavery. Also many Christian clergymen throughout history were pro-slavery. Historian Larry Hise says in his book, “Pro Slavery,” that ministers “wrote almost half of all defenses of slavery published in America.” He
    also lists more than 250 religious men who used the Bible to prove white people were entitled to own black people.

    James A. Haught says, “Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burned, tortured, fined, and imprisoned, yet we have not advanced one inch towards uniformity. What has been the effect of the coercion? To make one half of the world fools and the other half hypocrites.” The eloquent quote that comes to mind is: “Do as I say, NOT as I do.” Indeed, the finest delusion of all is the hypocrisy of individuals who are always quick to point the finger at others, first.

  • Democratsnforward NotBackward

    FREEDOM OF RELIGION AND FREEDOM “FROM” RELIGION

    The opponents are more than welcome to spew their archaic nonsense, religious hate, and bigoted venom all they want. However, thankfully, as an American citizen who lives in the most free country in the world, I have a right to believe what they believe, AND I have a right to not believe what they believe. It’s quite dangerous when I hear frivolous blather by some individuals who seem to indicate that a religious book “trumps” our United States Constitution.

    I would certainly welcome a challenge from the opponents to try to show me where in the United States Constitution that it says Blacks and Whites couldn’t marry AND where it says same-sex couples cannot marry. They cannot show me because it doesn’t exist. As such, all of their “bible” arguments are worthless, baseless, and unfounded. Our country’s bible is the United States Constitution and not some Christian “holy” book that promotes, incest, rape, slavery, and polygamy.

    The “holy wars,” on this planet have been going on for centuries! Many religious people think THEIR religion, THEIR God, or THEIR holy book
    is superior to ALL the others. So, who is right and who is wrong? Is there a right or wrong? Is one superior to another? There are 2.1 million followers of Christianity and 1.5 billion followers of Islam on this planet. Is one religion better or superior to the other? Is the holy book for Christianity more superior or “right” versus the holy book for those who follow the Islam religion?

    Some individuals are hellbent on forcing their religious beliefs on the masses, but they fail to understand that we have freedom of religion, AND freedom from religion in the United States. I can choose to be a Christian, Mormon, Hindu, Muslim, agnostic, atheist, Buddhist, or I can choose to have NO affiliation or label whatsoever. I cherish that right as an American citizen. I’d be willing to bet opponents would never want to live in the Middle East where many people are forced under a theocratic rule to live by certain religious dictated dress codes and forced “roles” for women. They should be VERY glad we live in a free country where, we as individuals, can decide to have a religious affiliation or NO religious affiliation at all.

  • Democratsnforward NotBackward

    MARRIAGE HAS
    BEEN REDEFINED AND HAS EVOLVED OVER TIME

    In 1967, when the
    Supreme Court ruled that interracial marriage bans were
    unconstitutional, 72% of Americans were against “interracial
    marriage.” Most Americans did NOT want Whites to marry Blacks,
    Whites to marry Latinos and Whites to marry Asians. Many Americans
    believed that interracial marriage was immoral, unnatural, and
    contrary to God’s will. Additionally, before the case even reached
    the Supreme Court, Leon M. Bazile, a trial judge who upheld the ban
    on interracial marriage (ruled against allowing interracial marriage)
    quoted Johann Friedrich Blumenbach’s interpretation of race in his
    ruling:

    “Almighty God created the races white, black,
    yellow, malay and red, and he placed them on separate continents. And
    but for the interference with his arrangement there would be no cause
    for such marriages. The fact that he separated the races shows that
    he did not intend for the races to mix.”

    Further,
    marriage has NEVER been between one man and one woman, for polygamy
    has been practiced on this planet for centuries. In the “Old
    Testament,” Abraham, Jacob, David, Solomon, and others all had
    multiple wives. King Solomon, had 700 wives and 300 concubines (1
    Kings 11:3). King David had 6 wives and many concubines (2 Samuel
    5:13; 1 Chronicles 3:1-9, 14:3). Rehoboam had 18 wives and 60
    concubines (2 Chronicles 11:21). In Exodus 21:10, it even says this:
    “a man can marry an infinite amount of women without any limits
    to how many he can marry.” So, yes, the institution of marriage
    DID change and has evolved over time.

    MARRIAGE EQUALITY IS
    INEVITABLE; EVEN OPPONENTS KNOW THIS

    Among 18-35 year olds,
    support for marriage equality is at 80% and the population in general
    supports it at 60%! At this rate, marriage equality will be supported
    by the general population at 70-75% in the next 10 years, so it’s not
    a question of “if” but “when?” The social
    dinosaurs who are still living in the 1950s, will continue to want to
    get involved in my sex and love life and dictate who I can and cannot
    marry, but fortunately, their opinion is now the “minority”
    in this country. We especially saw that last year, in November 2012,
    when voters in four states approved marriage equality at the ballot
    box for the first time ever in the United States.

  • Democratsnforward NotBackward

    YOU WILL GO STRAIGHT (NO PUN INTENDED) TO HELL IF YOU DO THE FOLLOWING!!!
    THE BIBLE FORBIDS THE FOLLOWING. >>>> Getting Tattoos On
    Your Body (LEVITICUS 19:28)
    Divorcing Someone (MARK 10:8)
    Shaving (LEVITICUS 19:27)
    Cursing (EPHESIANS 5:4)
    Gossip (LEVITICUS 19:16)
    Football on Saturdays (EXODUS 20:8)
    Eating Lobster (LEVITICUS 11:10)
    Eating Pork (LEVITICUS 11:10)
    Wearing Cotton/Polyester Blends (LEVITICUS 19:19)
    Associating With Women Who Are On Their Periods (LEVITICUS 15:19-20)

    • n8c

      God gave rules to live by which if obeyed, would lead to a productive life for Israel. All of your references, except for the one in Ephesians, we’re given to Israel. None of these relate to salvation. Salvation is found in Jesus Christ alone, by his grace alone, obtained by faith alone. Once a person has come to Christ, his life will change. Your list is a good list to live by. A person goes straight to hell by side stepping the Savior and ignoring His provision for all.