Boot & Saddle Goes Before Neighborhood Tonight

Boot & Saddle Bar

Avram Hornik’s plans for the Boot & Saddle on South Broad Street will be going in front of the neighborhood tonight. The South Broad Street Neighbors Association (SBSNA) Zoning meeting will hear the application for Hornik’s plans to turn the Boot & Saddle into a restaurant and bar with live music.

When the plans were first revealed, SBSNA President Peter Zutter said the neighbors association was not thrilled by the idea. Since then a petition in favor of the project has been circulated online and gathered almost 1,200 signatures.

1131 South Broad Street (Boot & Saddle Bar) – The application is for the Use as a Restaurant/Bar where more than Fifty (50) people congregate, including D.J. Music, Live Entertainment, and/or self contained Sound System and Dancing by patrons, in the same building with accessory Office on the 2nd Floor, and a Single-Family Dwelling on the 3rd Floor.  No Signs on this Application.  Zoning Classification = C-2

Interested neighbors should show up to Morgan Conference Room of Methodist Hospital, Broad and Ritner Streets at 7 p.m.

SBSNA Zoning [Official Site]

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  • bobnewhart1

    if this dude is not allowed to do business in that smelly part of town, i think collectively we should all leave or commit suicide. let the people do business(major business corridor, proper zoning), period, end of story.

    the neighborhood association? have they looked around in a while? check cashing? every business is a p.o.s. down there. if we can’t do honest business in the marginal neighborhoods, then what do we have left?

  • RobertHartley

    So Bob, you want them to have violence and drunken fights in their neighborhood in addition to the current problems? Maybe if “this dude” ran his establishments with less trouble he wouldn’t be considered a plague by all neighborhoods

  • phil wood

    I must be missing all the drunken fights and violence outside of union transfer, roberthartley. Am i? Or are you just atempting a fantastic demonstration of the straw man argument?

    I kind of wish I was going to this meeting as a spectator.

  • Get A Clue

    Both his old city locations are a menace. He’s had at least 1 location shut down up town and problems at another. I love how people keep bringing up Union Transfer that’s only been open for a short while. You do realize that he has a major partner in that so he has to be a great deal more responsible.

  • hawt dawgs

    Well, in all fairness, his problems at the Old City establishments probably have more to do with the fact that they’re in Old City than anything else. That place has been a hotbed of disaster recently.

  • CauseEffect

    In all fairness he’s caused almost all the problems in Old City and Rittenhouse with his bars. Lucy’s and Drinkers cause more problems than the remaining 60 or so bars in Old City together. Quit making excuses for this snake oil saleman, he does that well enough himself. Amazingly he believes his own stories and so do his workers who are the few dimwitted commentators defending him on here.

  • Joe K

    @CauseEffect you can’t possibly be serious. He’s caused almost all problems in Old City?? There was a shooting at Bleu Martini last year. Didn’t someone get stabbed at Recess Lounge? I’m not going to go through every incident, but any late night club type bar in old city is going to have these issues. Drinkers and Lucy’s included. You’re insane if you think those are the root of the problem though. But I guess you’d have nothing to say if you didn’t just make things up to suit your argument.

  • rebecca

    @CauseEffect He may be crooked, but I don’t think he’s to blame for the problems in Old City. As a resident of OC, I can tell you that its problems are due to the bars clubs on/around 2nd and Chestnut (Bleu Martini and Recess, as previously mentioned, as well as Club 27, Mad River and Rain). Drinkers and Lucys are among the lesser offenders, to be honest.

  • David Goldfarb

    ” He’s had at least 1 location shut down up town.”

    Drinkers was only shut for being over occupancy for the number of bathrooms they had, not anything else. To be clear: not the the actual fire department capacity of the room. Flatly, it was not a legal shut down, and they were open two days later (the day in between being a Sunday). The agent who did the shutting down? Well, you can read more about him here: http://www.fbi.gov/philadelphia/press-releases/2010/ph082410.htm

    And I’d also like to point out that the partners in Union Transfer are also the partners in the Boot & Saddle. And as Mr. Hornik said at the meeting last night, a Drinkers/Lucy’s Hat Shop bar for post-college shot-and-Miller-Lite types wouldn’t work in South Philly. I don’t really care about (or care to defend) his Old City establishments, but the Boot & Saddle, Ortlieb’s, and Union Transfer are very different animals from them.

    And no, I’m not an employee of Avram’s.

  • Alex

    Not only does Union Transfer not result in any violence, smaller venues seem to me even less prone to drunken fights. I’ve never gone to KFN or Johnny Brenda’s and so much as witnessed a fight; these types of places don’t attract the sort of early 20s meat heads you find in Old City bars, you’re gonna have a bunch of shaggy haired 140 pound art students. And please, this venue is on the border with Point Breeze, I used to live in the area and I hardly think anyone would be shocked by the fact that there might be an exceptionally rare fight (as can occur at even the most peaceful of bars) considering the fact that shootings occur in that neighborhood with a good bit of frequency. That stretch of broad and the surrounding blocks needs some development other than crappy fried chicken and gooey Chinese takeouts.

  • Thomas

    I think this operator has a terrible history. In my opinion he would hurt any chances of gentrification in this neighborhood.

  • CM

    @Rebecca I live in Old City too, and Drinker’s Tavern and Lucy’s Hat shop are right up there along with the other bars you mentioned as being trouble spots. Just recently there was a huge fight in front of Drinker’s caused by the patrons. There are 30 or so other bars in our neighborhood that are run properly and don’t cause problems like that.

    Sounds like Hornik pretty much admitted at the meeting that these bars are crap establishments, by trying to reassure South Philly neighbors that Boot & Saddle won’t be like that.