Village Whiskey Around the Web II

Bloggers are continuing to investigate Jose GarcesVillage Whiskey, one even breaks their gaze from the “meat monster” in order to talk about the liquor.

Count Kate of Philly Food and Drink among the decadent and gluttonous who have been wowed by the “Village King” burger. [Philly Food and Drink]

Phoodie sits down not to try the beef but to quaff an equally formidable lineup of drinks. [Phoodie.info]

Femme Fermentable on the other hand is disappointed with VW, and leaves a “Dear Jose” letter behind as she heads off to New England. Oddly, this isn’t the first time we’ve seen a poor experience at a Jose Garces establishment framed as a break-up letter. [Femme Fermental]

Previous Village Whiskey Around the Web [f8b8z]

  • http://rolandafaim.wordpress.com/ Roland

    Femme Fermental is spot on about the burger

  • least important person

    A very entertaining and factual letter Femme
    have said it before and i will say it again
    RESERVATION SYSTEMS SUCK
    it invariably upset many people in a crowded restaurant
    The only real use for Reservation system is for special occasions (birthdays and proposals)
    A place like Village Whisky doesn’t need it
    I am looking forward to trying it out but VW is a place where you just swing over and hang
    As a consumer you pay higher prices to partially cover the expense of computers and OpenTable service that restaurants use

  • JD

    Femme Fermental’s review just doesn’t fly with me. I get the feeling a more honest review from her would have said “my burger fell apart. booooo” but she felt the need to write more than that so we got more, but a lot of it was nonsense:
    1)You will wait to be seated anywhere worth going on a friday night in center city. Complaining about that is either evidence of ignorance or lameness.
    2)She says he soft pretzel “actually fell more into the ‘bread’ category, than the “soft pretzel” category.” That just doesn’t make sense. What does that mean? Criticizing a bread product for being bread. goodness.
    Having said that my whiskey king was a mess as well – the 8oz burger holds up much better than the 10o. I agree that the foie gras gets lost amid the bacon, blue cheese and really sweet cipollini. It’s also the most tender, flavorful patty of ground beef I have ever had. I’ve eaten both of their burgers and I’ll order the regular burger there many more times but probably not the whiskey king.

  • Dave

    The “soft pretzel” comment makes perfect sense; similar to comparing a bad bagel to bread. If you’ve had a good pretzel (no, not the Soft Pretzel’s sold in the freezer section) then you would understand. The good ones have nice pull/chewiness to them, thanks to the well-developed gluten.

    I think I just talked myself in to getting a soft pretzel.

  • JD

    Oh, I understand good pretzels. Most in Philly are horrible. The issue I had with the pretzel bit is really that she didn’t to convey any information about how the pretzel failed to impress her. It’s like saying “this burgundy is too much like wine.” Do you have any idea what I mean by that? I don’t either, because I didn’t convey any useful information except that I’m not satisfied with the burgundy. See?

  • http://phillymarketcafe.blogspot.com/ Gaetano X

    I think Femme lays it out plainly/cogently. She says the bun is soaked through with fat,and it fell apart. WTF…How do you defend crap like that?

    “I agree that the foie gras gets lost amid the bacon, blue cheese and really sweet cipollini.”

    SERIOUSLY?

    I smell a cheezy, $24, played out contrivance

  • http://phillymarketcafe.blogspot.com/ Gaetano X

    I think Femme lays it out plainly/cogently. She says the bun is soaked through with fat,and it fell apart. WTF…How do you defend crap like that?

    “I agree that the foie gras gets lost amid the bacon, blue cheese and really sweet cipollini.”

    SERIOUSLY?

    I smell a cheezy, $24, played out contrivance

  • http://phillymarketcafe.blogspot.com/ Gaetano X

    I think Femme lays it out plainly/cogently. She says the bun is soaked through with fat,and it fell apart. WTF…How do you defend crap like that?

    “I agree that the foie gras gets lost amid the bacon, blue cheese and really sweet cipollini.”

    SERIOUSLY?

    I smell a cheezy, $24, played out contrivance

  • http://phillymarketcafe.blogspot.com/ Gaetano X

    I think Femme lays it out plainly/cogently. She says the bun is soaked through with fat,and it fell apart. WTF…How do you defend crap like that?

    “I agree that the foie gras gets lost amid the bacon, blue cheese and really sweet cipollini.”

    SERIOUSLY?

    I smell a cheezy, $24, played out contrivance

  • http://phillymarketcafe.blogspot.com/ Gaetano X

    I think Femme lays it out plainly/cogently. She says the bun is soaked through with fat,and it fell apart. WTF…How do you defend crap like that?

    “I agree that the foie gras gets lost amid the bacon, blue cheese and really sweet cipollini.”

    SERIOUSLY?

    I smell a cheezy, $24, played out contrivance

  • http://phillymarketcafe.blogspot.com/ Gaetano X

    I think Femme lays it out plainly/cogently. She says the bun is soaked through with fat,and it fell apart. WTF…How do you defend crap like that?

    “I agree that the foie gras gets lost amid the bacon, blue cheese and really sweet cipollini.”

    SERIOUSLY?

    I smell a cheezy, $24, played out contrivance

  • Dude

    JD – Your analogy is horrible, and you’re missing Dave’s point. Her comment made perfect sense – the pretzel was more like regular bread than a pretzel, and was therefore unsatisfying, even though on its own terms, it might have been a tasty piece of bread.

    A more apt analogy would be to say “this burgundy is too much like grape juice.” Which would imply to the reader that the burgundy lacked the complexity and layers of flavor you’d want from a burgundy, and just tasted like smooshed grapes instead. Even though burgundy is really just a type of grape juice.

  • Marty B.

    This is one of those threads where you wonder if there’s something “off blog” between JD and the Femme. I think Gaetano and Dude hit most of the flaws in JD’s snipe (posted on an aggregator blog as opposed to taking his criticism directly to the writer), but let’s not forget that the whole pretzel thing was an afterthought to a paragraph trashing the duck fries and the quail.

    Whole post seemed pretty substantiated for a blog post. on the other hand, JD taking issue with the writing instead of substantiating his defense of Village Whiskey with counters to Femme’s substance “just doesn’t fly” with me and apparently other readers as well.

  • JD

    Dude, you are wrong. My analogy is perfectly apt. Yours is not. Bread is a general category of grain based, cooked and leavened products. A pretzel is a type of bread. Wine is a grape juice based product. It contains alcohol and traces of other substances that are not present in fresh juice.
    Saying a pretzel is too much like bread is not saying the texture is off as suggested above. There are other ways a pretzel could be considered “bready” – for instance it could have had too high a crumb to crust ratio. Or it could have been missing that special crust once expects from a pretzel. It could have been the texture of either the crust or crumb. These are all qualities that can distinguish a pretzel from other types of breads. None of us know what her problem with the pretzel was because she did not tell us.

  • rory

    this is ridiculous!

    i think we all know what FF meant by the bread line. it didn’t have the chewiness of a soft pretzel. at least, that’s how everyone except JD viewed it (also, it’s a blog post…calm down with the critique of a quick critique!).

    plus, the critique of the reservation was that she was quoted one period of time (30-40 minutes) and it turned out to be horribly wrong. Now that happens–especially at a drinking based establishment–but it’s rightfully very annoying for the customer. She didn’t complain about waiting, she complained about being given an extremely inaccurate expected time to wait.

    I’m with Dude…what’d FF do to get you so mad?

  • Marty B.

    JD, have you heard pizza crust every described as “too much like bread”? It’s a fair criticism of pizza crust, as it is with pretzels. Your animosity toward FF’s bittersweet parting shot at Garces (of whom she’s otherwise a big fan) has been proven to be irrational, and your insistence leads some readers to fear we may see you have a total Femme Fermental meltdown in this thread.

    Rory, “bread line” heh heh.