Roseman On Bradford: ‘We’d Like To Have Him Back’

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Photo by: Jeff Fusco

The Eagles are hoping to get Sam Bradford back under contract, according to Howie Roseman. It’s just a matter of whether the two sides can find some middle ground.

Speaking to Dave Spadaro on the team site’s podcast, Roseman was asked for his thoughts on where things stand with the free-agent to be.

“We’ve all been clear that we like Sam, and we’d like to have him back. It goes then between all of us and whether we can figure something out that makes sense on both sides,” said Roseman. “Sometimes we get into a situation where we sit here and it will make sense from the team’s perspective but when you’re talking about a negotiation, it’s also got to work for the other side and the player, and we understand that. But hopefully this will all work out and we’ll look at that depth chart when we line up here in July and be really excited about the position.”

The team has until 4 p.m. on March 1 to apply the franchise tag, though there haven’t been any signs to this point that the Eagles plan to use it. That would allow Bradford to test the market, which as we laid out on Thursday, appears a bit murky for the QB at the moment.

With such uncertainty at the position, the Eagles are exploring various avenues. Roseman was asked about the report that they are expected to inquire about potentially adding Nick Foles.

“Well it’s our job as we run this team as we help kind of put it together to look at every option at that position,” he said. “You sit in the office right now and there’s not a lot of names on the quarterback depth chart that are under contract right now. And so we’ve gotta look at every option. We’ve gotta look at every possibility, and they go from starting possibilities to backup possibilities to who’s going to be our third. We take four to camp, we’ve got one right now on our roster, and so we’ve gotta bring quarterbacks in here. So every discussion that we’re having isn’t necessarily only on the basis of who’s going to be our starter, it’s also: who’s going to be here to compete and add depth and value to that position?”

A couple other highlights:

— Roseman talked about the state of the salary cap after actively signing some of their own to new contracts early this offseason:

“It’s challenging as we go forward here this year and next, but the name of the game is to have good players and to keep good players and we have to make sure we’re able to do that not only again for this season but as we get into 2017 and 2018, knowing that we’re keeping these guys…

“Probably a little tighter than it had been in the past. We had gotten accustomed to pushing over a lot of money (from the previous year); it’s going to be much more difficult to do that.  We still have a couple things we’d like to do here in this offseason.”

— Including working out a long-term deal for Fletcher Cox. Roseman talked about where things stand with the d-lineman.

“We want him here long-term. There’s no question. He knows that we feel that way.

“It’s just sometimes these things take longer because they are complicated when you’re not talking about one, two, three million dollar a year player, and then the dynamic of the years under contract and everything that goes into a negotiation. But there’s no question what type of player he is and what kind of person he is and how important he is to this team and how important it is for all of us to have him here going forward.”

You can listen to the entire podcast here.

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  • B-West

    I can’t tell if he just likes taking shots at Chip, or he doesn’t like working with a tighter margin. The cushion that the Eagles, and Howie, operate with against the salary cap has bugged me for years. It could be good for Howie to work closer to the limit and learn to maximize his resources.

    • OldDocNewSeason

      Pretty sure he’s taking a shot at Chip. Reality is the only reason the Eagles would be any tighter this year is if they sign Bradford, and if they choose to do that it’s because they believe he’s a good QB. Paying a QB you believe to be good is a nice problem to have.

      Even with that they can carve $20m plus in cap space easily.

      • Basscase

        Really, the main reason why they’ve had cap room for a while is because they haven’t had a franchise QB to cut into it.

        • Rockedupeaglesfan

          Seems like they always had room to push money. Even during the Donovan years

          • Basscase

            Partially because they signed rookies before their years were up to team-friendly deals. Now that there’s a rookie wage cap, it leaves more money to go to other players, thereby pushing other salaries up.

        • OldDocNewSeason

          Exactly. That, and they drafted so abysmally in 2010 and 2011 that there was almost nobody worth re-signing for decent money.

          The only really bad contract* on the team from Chip’s time as GM is Murray. Maxwell’s isn’t great but it’s cheap to get out of after 16 and I can uneerstand the desire to go after the top CB last year given the issues in the secondary.

          • KAO

            Both Murray contract and Maxwell arent bad considering they can be cut for nothing after two seasons. Which I predict will be the case.

          • OldDocNewSeason

            I certainly don’t think the Maxwell deal is bad. It’s just a little higher over the first two years than Kareem Jackson’s and Kareem was a far less hot commodity last year.

            Murray’s is bad in the sense I don’t think you should throw that sort of money at a RB, but in terms of ‘market value’ it’s OK.

          • KAO

            Agreed. I wanted Kareem but guess Chip saw something in Maxwell not fitting the scheme at all lol Could of drafted two rookie RBs, not signed Murray of Mathews and got at least same production.

          • jokyjoky

            Did you put the asterisk there as a point of reference to the abysmal contract they gave to Cooper? In relative size the money doesn’t hurt the team, but when considering productivity and assessing the totality of value added (change tone of voice up half an octave and make it slightly inquisitive – think curious professorial tone) one could argue that this contract was really, really bad.

          • OldDocNewSeason

            Nah. Austin. Edited to add that. Should be there if youbrefresh.

            Riley contract was all Howie.

          • glngarryglnross

            Murray isnt bad either. Can get out of it after 2016 as well.

      • Rockedupeaglesfan

        I’d also file that one under, Shots Fired!!

        • OldDocNewSeason

          I hate the passive aggressive stuff. Sure Chip made a similarly immature “football guy” reference in his press conference in SF.

          Man up and say what you want to or STFU. It’s like high school.

          • Rockedupeaglesfan

            Right. Just say, Chip structured the contracts differently than we have in the past. Now we are moving back towards the structure we are more comfortable with.

            It’s like saying they want Sam back. Yeah, they want him back for about 8 mil a year. Sound good Sam? No? Oh well, we tried. We wanted him back after all.

          • OldDocNewSeason

            Honestly, I think Howie still had a huge part in structuring the deals. I mean, Lurie said that was still his area. The contracts are all the same. Big money on paper, but the team can get out cheaply after two years. Figures in year 1 were higher than normal for some guys but they had crazy cap space last year so that made sense. Plus you can’t get guys as cheap in year one when they don’t still have a year to go on their deals.

          • Rockedupeaglesfan

            He may have had a hand in structure, but I’m sure Chip did the negotiations. He wouldn’t let some nerd tell him how much a player is valued at. But maybe after guarantees and years were set it was Howie’s job to fit them into a contract. Maybe it was a different lawyers job

          • OldDocNewSeason

            Sure, but actual contract structure and the like was all Howie IMO. Be interested to know what the dynamic was in terms of setting total $ amounts. Suspect in most cases there wouldn’t have been too much disagreement. Problem with DeMarco’s deal wasn’t that they paid more than market rate, it was that they signed him at all. Same thing with Maxwell.

          • jokyjoky

            No point in speculating on who had what say on the contracts. We’ll never know directly. It could be that Howie’s role was to ensure that the minutia didn’t get out of control, but the big issues such as amount and length of contract could have been negotiated by Chip. You know he’s a fast talker and a fast walker. He probably did it in the hallway and took a left after directing the agents to Howie’s office all the while writing out the big picture on a sticky note and forwarding, via the agent, to Howie. :) I mean, if he can quick draw McGraw McCoy in less than 15 min, these lesser issues certainly couldn’t take too long either. IJS with a smile though.

          • OldDocNewSeason

            Pre-2015 contracts were Howie. I don’t think there’s any debate on that.

            Last year is a little murkier. Ultimately cap management was still Howie’s remit but if Chip wanted to spend on a shiny bauble, I suspect he’d have been able to push it through.

      • B-West

        Agreed, I don’t think they’re even particularly tight right now. I was surprised to see him praise the idea of carrying money over, though. They rarely capitalize on those bubbles when they have extra cash. It doesn’t seem like a margin that is easy to make use of anyway. I’d rather they routinely work closer to the current cap.

        • OldDocNewSeason

          I like leaving 15-20m going into the season. Gives you flexibility to re-sign guys during the season if you want and allows you to make trades during the year if players get injured, or you decide you’re only a player or two away.

          • B-West

            Good in theory, but I don’t think it comes to fruition very often. The NFL trade deadline is a snooze fest, and most of these guys shut down contract talks during the season.

            My main beefs are the use or lose nature of the rollover money, and the fact that it’s a good way to get yourself in cap trouble for the following season. Well, you could get yourself in trouble before the cap jumped 12 mil every season.

            I don’t mind keeping clean books, but at some point, unused cap space is a wasted opportunity to make your football team better.

          • OldDocNewSeason

            I think it can make sense in the right circumstances. If you think you’re close to winning it all, especially if you’ve got an ageing QB, you should be pushing it to the limit.

            Alternatively, if you know you’ve got players on big money coming to the end of their careers there’s no harm getting close to the cap because that money will soon be coming off with no dead.

            Where I struggle is when you see a team like Miami or Buffalo get into cap trouble. They’re just spending crazy money in the hope of catching NE, but they’re doing it at a time when neither of them has a particularly good QB, and they’ve never really shown signs of getting close to winning the AFCE, never mind winning a SB.

      • I Can’t Find My Puffy Coat

        Definitely a shot at Chip.

    • dnabrice

      Especially not bringing back Dawk. Because they essentially used those savings to sign Vince Young….

  • Will:↑↑↓↓←→←→BA

    Well. I’m not even paying attention to first round QBs anymore. If Sammy doesn’t cost a shoulder and a knee then he will be an Eagle in 2016. Doesn’t sound like Washington is going to break open the vault for Cousin… so this should be fun

    Side Note… I hope Bosa doesn’t end up in Dallas

    • Kelly’s Man dog.

      I think Kirk has a lot more leverage in DC, they pretty much have to bring him back.

      • Will:↑↑↓↓←→←→BA

        RG3…. the comeback part 2?

        • Kelly’s Man dog.

          Haha, that would be crazy, if rg3 planned some sort of chip Kellyesque power play and got Kirk out of DC.

          • Basscase

            They could elect RG3 as mayor of DC right now and he’d still be shipped out.

    • cliff-Partying w/ Dez’ Monkey

      dallas is picking 4th, they are going to get a good player.

      • dnabrice

        Here’s to hoping they pick another Claiborne!

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  • Cleon

    Maybe now the Bradford haters will stop…hatin

    • http://Philly.com/ Mark Kirn

      They’ve already convinced themselves that there’s no way they can be wrong.

      • CHRIS – Birds 24/7 FFL Champ

        If bradford re-signs, comes back, lights it up, stays healthy for the whole season (ok fine let him miss a game or two because, history), I will happily say I was wrong. I have no problem doing that. I just don’t believe that will happen.

        • cliff-Partying w/ Dez’ Monkey

          right, im just giving my opinion on whether the guy should be signed or not. he’s eagles starting qb, i’ll be pulling for the guy. heck, I cheered on Vick.

    • A Roy

      I don’t hate Bradford. I just don’t think he’s good enough to take us where we want to go.

      • glngarryglnross

        nope for some here that makes you a hater.

    • cliff-Partying w/ Dez’ Monkey

      let’s play a game, ignore Sam was an Eagle last year and played on another 7-9 STL team, missed 2.5 games, again, and had the 26th QB rating, would you be interested in signing him to a 3yr 50m contract?

      • Rockedupeaglesfan

        Well said

        • cliff-Partying w/ Dez’ Monkey

          dont act surprised, I make a lot of good points, in between movies references, talking about hookers and blow, and giving extremely inappropriate advise to the kids out there

          • Rockedupeaglesfan

            Haha. No surprise here. I’m not a Bradford guy, but we tend to overvalue our guys. Thinking of him on Stl makes it seem more cut and dry.

      • CHRIS – Birds 24/7 FFL Champ

        Thank you

      • OldDocNewSeason

        Probably not, but then I wouldn’t have seen much of him.

        I thought he played pretty well towards the end of last year. Coming back from back-to-back ACLs is no joke.

        • cliff-Partying w/ Dez’ Monkey

          agree. for me it’s mostly the contract. if Howie can get him at decent price with out after 2 yrs, i’ll be ok with him.

          • OldDocNewSeason

            The slight irony to all of this is that the anti-Bradford camp seem to be envisaging a red hot market for Sam’s services, while those who want him back expect there to be relatively low demand.

            Two years with an easy out is fine by me. Not sure why people are so focussed on the gross per annum amount. It never means anything.

          • CHRIS – Birds 24/7 FFL Champ

            I’m sort of weird here, based on the description of your two camps. I don’t want him, but also don’t see a huge market for him. I think the low market speaks volumes.

          • OldDocNewSeason

            I’m simplifying, but it sure seems like most people who want him gone are the ones saying you’d have to handcuff yourself to him for five years at $20m pa, and those who want him back are the ones saying demand for him will be much lower than that.

            I expect the market to be pretty subdued, mostly because his injury history will (and should) scare people. I’m cool with a mid-range deal if he can be cut after 17. Anything more than that and I start to lose interest.

          • CHRIS – Birds 24/7 FFL Champ

            Yea, I don’t want him back because I feel like the new regime should take the opportunity to start fresh (if it presents itself, obviously) and Sam just doesn’t get it done and always has a million excuses for it. But, if they do the research and he’s the best guy for them and it is relatively low cost, i’ll still dust off my puffy coat and enjoy football come August. Just don’t think it’s the best thing for the franchise moving forward. Any QB who comes in (rookie or otherwise) is still learning a new system, Sam included. So he holds no value to me in that regard.

          • OldDocNewSeason

            I *really* don’t like this year’s QBs. If it wasn’t for that, I’d be much more in favour of moving on.

            For now I see Bradford as a decent stop-gap who can keep us in playoff contention while we take potshots in the draft for a long-term solution.

          • CHRIS – Birds 24/7 FFL Champ

            If we kept Sam for 2yr deal, say 16AAV, would you draft one of the top 3 qbs if they made it to 13? Or signing sam helps you draft elsewhere? I think I still would. But, Sams not my guy, if I were more confident in him moving forward i’d love to address another position.

          • OldDocNewSeason

            I wouldn’t take any of the top 3 at 13. Don’t think they’re worth it and I’d rather we use this year’s draft to retool in the trenches. No objection to taking a flier on a QB in the 3rd or 4th, but I just think it’s a bad QB class for the most part.

          • glngarryglnross

            what low market? it hasnt even started yet?

      • JReamer

        That is an excellent point Cliff, however we wouldn’t have seen as much of him, as Doc said, we wouldn’t have known that his receivers dropped so many passes. Nor would we have seen his improvement second half of the year. We just wouldn’t have cared had he spent another seemingly mediocre year in STL. It’s different when you’ve watched every play of the guy’s season. I’m not saying I want him back because I believe ultimately, be it this year or next, we’ll draft a guy that Howie and Co. deem to be the franchise.

      • Cleon

        He didn’t play ball in 2 years,give em the benefit of the doubt..& no I wouldn’t sign him for that but if he can knock a few chips off the top I’m all in.

        • glngarryglnross

          nothing like being all in on a crappy QB. Give you credit for knowing where to pick your spots.

        • cliff-Partying w/ Dez’ Monkey

          so, you’re defense is he’s hurt a lot?

          • Cleon

            No my defense is he’s a baller ur just too hung up on rookie qbs taking u too the promise land.give em a chance & if u don’t it seems like Howie & Co do so u might be looking really depressed when the 2016 rolls around.

      • botto

        only at whatever price he wants, nothing less

  • Norm Snead

    Roseman has a number / parameters that he will not go above to keep Bradford. That number or parameters are not above fair market value and likely is less. It is likely at least one team will offer Bradford more than fair market value. If that team has not just gotten a new head coach and has better receivers that can catch the ball and / or is perceived to have a better shot at the SB than the Eagles that makes it even more likely that Bradford will not be retained by the Eagles. Bye, Bye Sam!

    • OldDocNewSeason

      “It is likely at least one team will offer Bradford more than fair market value.”

      This is, by definition, impossible.

    • https://twitter.com/richcolton RichC

      put yourself out there. which team?

      • OldDocNewSeason

        Not gonna lie, Bradford to SF and RGIII to the Rams has some bizarro world-type appeal to me.

        Or Bradford AND RGIII to the Rams so they can proclaim ultimate victory in all QB trades ever. But still be terrible at football.

        • https://twitter.com/richcolton RichC

          RGIII to the Rams was topic on PTI last night. I guess it works, if you buy into the logic that the LA team will want some star power to fill seats. We used the same argument to convince ourselves that Jacksonville wanted Tim Tebow and they never took the bait.

          These NFL front offices aren’t run by rubes.

          Bradford to 49ers is interesting. Would Chip double down on a mistake? Wonder who gets Kaep in that scenario?

          • OldDocNewSeason

            Everyone wants Tebow, it’s just that there’s a league-wide anti-Christian conspiracy going on. A sane person on the internet said so.

            I only really mentioned LA because of the original trade, but it does make some sense. They have rubbish QBs on their roster and I doubt they’ll find a solution at 15. Plus the whole “big name, new city thing”.

            SF’s a definite possibility for Bradford. I can’t see Chip wanting Kaep. Dude has no idea how to make quick reads and smart decisions. Just not his game at all. I think it would be awful for Bradford’s career though. That roster might be even worse than TEN’s.

          • anon

            Chip doesn’t have any say. They have Kap already at a high price. Why take Sammy B whose stats have always been ass. Unclear to me that Sam would even want to play for chip and that terrible offense.

          • I Can’t Find My Puffy Coat

            Cecil’s not making decisions. It’s foolish to think he’s got no say at all.

          • OldDocNewSeason

            Kaep can be cut any time so his high price doesn’t really matter. If they want, they can cut him and sign Bradford, or whoever else they want.

          • Rockedupeaglesfan

            This. Plus Kaep seems to really want out

          • OldDocNewSeason

            Don’t blame him. Benching someone for Blaine Gabbert is just mean spirited.

          • aub32

            In fairness, Jax did try to trade for Tebow when he left the Broncos, but Tebow wanted to go to NY. Then after that debacle Jacksonville had no more interest.

        • glngarryglnross

          i gotta think Kelly watched Bradford and said “eff that, I dont want him again”

      • Norm Snead

        I do not know which team will offer Bradford more than market value. I just think it is likely at least one does because that how it is with QB’s in the NFL. Is it possible,a strong market will not develop for Bradford? Sure, but I doubt that will happen. At least one team will convince themselves it is worth the gamble. And maybe it is worth the gamble if you have enough of all the other pieces. Plus in a lot of cases I think Bradford for the same money would prefer “the other team” versus the Eagles making it less likely Bradford will sign with the Eagles. It could be the Eagles go “Total Hinkie” this year to collect the maximum number of draft picks(including compensatory picks from losing free agents), and will try and roll over maximum cap space to next year while building for the future by extending the best young players and letting the rest walk. Roseman&Co will give lip service to keeping Sam / winning but that will not be the primary objective. That probably is the best approach by Roeman&Co for 2016 because with a new coach / coordinators, new schemes, so many holes to fill and even with Sam back the birds are winning nada in 2016 no matter what. If the Eagles want to vie for the SB by 2017 the Eagles need major new blood on the OL, they will need a stud running back if Murray does not get better(likely), at least 1 more stud linebacker, a stud receiver, some strong back up players and of course a QB. It is never easy. The best approach for the Eagles right now is the slow, steady, patient approach, not the impatient we most win now approach. That way when the Eagles’ franchise QB appears they will have enough of the pieces and can then go all in to try and get the SB. The best thing we can do s fans is enjoy the process and if a SB comes it is some nice gravy. Don’t forget Bradford’s ceiling is average NFL starting QB. Think Alex Smith. Can somebody win a SB with Bradford or Alex Smith? It is possible. But not the Eagles in 2016.

    • I Can’t Find My Puffy Coat

      The question to me is, what is FMV for him?

      • JosephR2225

        About $19.5M/yr

        • I Can’t Find My Puffy Coat

          All signs point to under, but I wouldn’t be shocked.

          • JosephR2225

            Maybe. That’s just roughly the median for starting QB contracts not including rookie deals. So if it’s under, I wouldn’t think it would by under by very much.

      • Norm Snead

        Something in the ball park of $18MM a year, 4 years, 36MM guaranteed. Plus some manipulation is done so 2016 cap hit is as little as possible maybe $10MM-$12MM. The contract is structured so you cannot cut Bradford until 2018(after two years), or incur a crazy cap hit. My guess from reading between the lines is Howie’s number is less than the above. A lot of small factors work against the Eagles keeping Bradford. But it is possible they keep him but I doubt it. It depends how Pedersen rates Bradford versus the alternatives. If Pedersen really wants Bradford he can probably push Roseman / Lurie to pay what it takes to keep Bradford. But he would be risking political capital. If Bradford did not pan out that is strike 1 for Perdersen and do not object to the Monday night Xmas party. That would be strike 2 and strike 3.

  • Norm Snead

    The Eagles ought to either go “Total Hinkie” and not try and retain their free agents, not sign any players that would reduce the compensatory picks the Eagles would receive for losing free agents and collect as many draft picks as possible and carry as much cap space to next year as possible OR go all in keep Bradford or get some other high priced QB, and sign whatever free agents give the best chance to win in 2016. The wise move is go “Total Hinkie”. No matter what the Eagles do it is very low probability they will be very good next year. Why? Bradford is not that good, the Eagles just got a new head coach with totally new schemes, new GM, and the Eagles have too many holes to fill to be competitive next year. The new regime Pederson / Roseman would be smart to sacrifice next year to get set up for the future. That improves the new regime’s chances of surviving longer term. That is similar to want many new CEO’s do. They clean house and take all the hits early on so the hits / poor performance can be blamed on the previous regime.

  • NCBiRDMann22

    Hahaha what a crock of sh77 this is! Rosebuds is blowing smoke. Trade bait at best. Sam will not be starting for this team next year…cut it out Rosebuds

    • I Can’t Find My Puffy Coat

      Trade bait requires tag. So that’s dumb. All he’s saying is at the right price, he wants him back. And there’s likely a significant chasm between his number and Condon’s.

  • I Can’t Find My Puffy Coat

    Token, is that what you’ve needed to see? It’s pretty clear that Roseman wants him back at the right price based on these comments. Still want to argue that Roseman doesn’t want him at all?

    • NCBiRDMann22

      Means nothing to me really…Pederson will pick his QB…has said a lot about drafting his QB

      • I Can’t Find My Puffy Coat

        He’s also said he likes Bradford.

        • NCBiRDMann22

          Sam is Your man…Not mine!!!!

          • I Can’t Find My Puffy Coat

            Not sure anyone is claiming him, but okay. The specs were a bad choice by Sam.

        • Kev_H

          Yeah. He’s a coach not a fan. He’ll have his QBs. Not his QB. Like Howie says, they have one and need 3 more pretty quickly.

      • Token

        Its the same people that were obsessed with Foles that are obsessed with Bradford. Talking other options with them isnt worth the effort until Bradford is signed elsewhere.

    • CHRIS – Birds 24/7 FFL Champ

      Hasn’t howie said basically this since the end of the season? Maybe he said it with more conviction today but when I read this, it didn’t feel like new news to me.

      • I Can’t Find My Puffy Coat

        It’s not news. But apparently, for some, it’s needs spelled out.

        • Token

          lol.

          I know Howie. Hes cut from the same cloth as Banner. If Howie Roseman wanted Bradford, hed be here. And talks would have been ongoing for months already, counting the months before and during the season. They havent.

          I know you believe that “o well maybe Howie just knows their number and gave up”. Not how negotiation works. If they were anywhere in the realm of possibility of working something out, they would have been talking for awhile. Especially since we are talking about a QB.

          • glngarryglnross

            I know Im just a chipbot and i was supposed to leave when he went to SF. But I gotta agree w you on Howie and the thought process.

          • I Can’t Find My Puffy Coat

            Gave up? Never said it. Calling their bluff. He’ll sign Bradford at the right number, likely under $18/yr AAV. He’s not budging. Neither are they. Pretty simple stuff. If Condon can’t get it from CLE or HOU, they’ll talk again. This is actually something Banner would do, so we agree there.

          • Token

            Cant wait til hes done and gone. Put another ridiculous topic behind us.

    • cliff-Partying w/ Dez’ Monkey

      nawh man, you aren’t focusing on the stuff Howie didn’t say.

      • I Can’t Find My Puffy Coat

        Well, now it’s obvious what I didn’t do again…

        • cliff-Partying w/ Dez’ Monkey

          hahaha, jack really yeasted you up

      • Token

        I feel like I do this same argument at least once a year.

        For the things I might be bad at, ive proven to be pretty good at reading the Eagles tea leaves over the years.

        We have been through this now with McCoy, Foles, Chip and Jackson. Every time im mocked for my position that ends up being reality. Its a weird thing.

        But, all I can do I guess is just state my opinion. The situation will take care of itself. And then, just like Foles, everyone can revert back to saying they never wanted him anyway.

        • botto

          hey if no one else will offer you compliments at least you can do it to yourself. don’t get hurt patting yourself on the back though. I’d hate to see you not able to type you opinions for any amount of time

        • Redstone

          For what it is worth, I have always thought you were right on many things. Just not an Eagles fan at heart. More of a talkinghead. The former goes into suspended-belief at various times of the year and the latter never does. What we do as Eagle fans is far more difficult. I thought you were looking to adopt Arizona as your new team?

    • Rockedupeaglesfan

      Yeah Howie wants him at about 8 mil per

      • https://twitter.com/richcolton RichC

        where do I sign?

        • Rockedupeaglesfan

          Apparently John Clayton thinks he’ll get Nick Foles money

          • cliff-Partying w/ Dez’ Monkey

            what did FOles get? 12-13m/yr for 2 yrs? yeah, i’d do that

          • Rockedupeaglesfan

            Sure. Would Condon?

          • cliff-Partying w/ Dez’ Monkey

            assuming there’s a lot of bidders. if he goes money hunting to CLE, after making 78m, then more power to him. Houston is the only other place i’d think offers some hope of winning.

          • I Can’t Find My Puffy Coat

            Denver, assuming no Osweiler.

          • cliff-Partying w/ Dez’ Monkey

            they’d be fools to take Bradford over Osweiler.

          • dnabrice

            I think Bradford would win SB with that Defense.

          • cliff-Partying w/ Dez’ Monkey

            almost any QB that isn’t a TO machine wins with that defense

          • Rockedupeaglesfan

            I think Hou is much better. I don’t see us as that much better than SF

          • Sam Bradfords Chicken Legs

            SF got 12 draft picks…. I miss those days.

          • cliff-Partying w/ Dez’ Monkey

            had that for last couple years and Balke has done next to nothing with them.

          • Sam Bradfords Chicken Legs

            The good ones retired LOL

          • cliff-Partying w/ Dez’ Monkey

            after the SB, had young QB, all those picks, thought SF was going to be a powerhouse for rest of decade. they Murphy Law’d it, everything went wrong

          • Sam Bradfords Chicken Legs

            Seriously it’s nuts what happened there. They were beasts, truly. Harbaugh had them playing like real football players. Still find it funny Tomsula made 14 mil in one year as to Harbaugh making 25 (i believe it’s 25) over his whole tenure.

          • Sam Bradfords Chicken Legs

            Nah but seriously, I want 12 draft picks. Go figure, Chip gives ours away then walks into 12.

          • JosephR2225

            Yeah, those 2010 and 2011 drafts sure were the good old days.

          • Sam Bradfords Chicken Legs

            Reports just came out Houston doesn’t want a retread qb.

          • A Roy

            You can’t believe everything you read/hear this time of year. I’m betting Houston signs Bradford and drafts Hackenburg. That’s two…two…two mistakes in one!

          • glngarryglnross

            since when has Bradford acted like winning was important to him?

          • I Can’t Find My Puffy Coat

            Thought it was like 2/24.

      • I Can’t Find My Puffy Coat

        Hahaha nice

    • Token

      What else is he supposed to say? Bradford is a bum everyone we don’t want him? Come on. You arent a babe in the woods. This isnt your first year watching the NFL. This is Howie Roseman making it seem like the Eagles gave it a darn good effort to keep Bradford to appease the many many Bradford fluffers that have bloomed in the last 6 months.

      • Basscase

        I wish I could see it differently, but this is an expected and classic setup.

        • I Can’t Find My Puffy Coat

          He’s more than likely gone. I’m fully aware of this. But I’m not sure why it’s hard to fathom that, at the right number, Howie wants to bring Bradford back. That number is likely around $17mil/yr AAV.

      • glngarryglnross

        bradford fluffer. No such thing.

      • I Can’t Find My Puffy Coat

        Saying the team is moving in a different direction is the way to handle it. He said they’re trying to bring him back. Pretty strong words. Don’t up the ante because you asked for evidence to prove a point and that its in front of your face you’re rejecting it because “obv he doesn’t mean it!”

        • Token

          You act as if you have been around the eagles FO for a year. A newbie. You are being knowingly blind yet again. This is how the Eagles operate. They loved Nick Foles publicly too. O well. Ill just wait til this is done then we can talk about your stance at that time.

          • I Can’t Find My Puffy Coat

            “We want to bring him back.”
            “He’s our QB for the next 1,000 years.”

            Same exact thing. Totally.

          • Token

            Go back and read Luries comments on Foles. You cant hide your Bradford love anymore atleast. That ship sailed. This round about is full blown Puffy Coats Foles defending all over again

          • I Can’t Find My Puffy Coat

            The fact that you’ve taken defense of logic around the handling of our QB situation as “Bradford love” tells me everything I need to know. I’ve said countless times I don’t care if Bradford is our QB.

            Also, we were talking about Howie. Not Lurie. So he’s irrelevant here.

          • Token

            O no. You have tried to downplay your Bradford love slowly and steadily over the past couple months. But taking such a hardline here seems to go against “not caring”.

            You simply want to be on the other side of the argument from me. But its just looking weird now.

            Howie Roseman on Nick Foles…..just for what its worth……..

            “I think that we have tremendous support for Nick,” Roseman said in a chat with Philly writers covering the combine. “I think we’ve been unquestioned about Nick. Even when we talk about Mike Vick, that there’s not an opportunity for a starting spot here, I think that’s a reflection on Nick Foles and where he is in his career.”

            “I think he has tremendous support within the building and within the organization and [we’re] really excited about him as a player and a person in the Eagles organization.””

            I would say thats even stronger support for Foles then for Bradford now. Lurie as well. I cant force you to read tea leaves correctly. I just figured you would have learned by now how the game works.

          • I Can’t Find My Puffy Coat

            Whatever you gotta tell yourself buddy.

          • javier

            token just showed you up

          • I Can’t Find My Puffy Coat

            Haha

          • OldDocNewSeason

            Also, Foles was under contract. So there’s that….

          • I Can’t Find My Puffy Coat

            Stop it with your facts.

          • OldDocNewSeason

            I love the “what else do you expect him to say?” schtick from those that had convinced themselves the Eagles had no interest.

            How about, I dunno, nothing? He was speaking to Spuds FFS. The questions were going to be about whatever Howie wanted to talk about. Easiest thing in the world would have been to just spend 10 minutes shooting the shizzy about how excited Howie is about the new coaching regime.

            But anyway, you looooooove Bradford. I read it on the internet. It’s not that you just think he’s OK and worth having back at the right price. It’s love.

          • I Can’t Find My Puffy Coat

            Remember the Chase Utley letter from Always Sunny? I’m working on one to Sam as we speak.

          • OldDocNewSeason

            You can call him Sam, because you are friends.

        • A Roy

          Stated: Trying to bring him back.
          .
          Inferred: At a cheap, team-friendly deal where we can get rid of him as soon as the QB we draft is GTG.

  • OldDocNewSeason

    Completely off topic, but did Howie just take a wizz on the cheerleader on the right’s lollipop or something? She looks pretty mad.

    • cliff-Partying w/ Dez’ Monkey

      nawh, that’s just how mid to late 30 women look, all the time

      • TimKerrForPresident

        Hahaha

      • CHRIS – Birds 24/7 FFL Champ

        she has the “let me speak with your manager” look

        • cliff-Partying w/ Dez’ Monkey

          lol. probably looking at another woman thinking ‘oh, she should not be wearing THOSE jeans!”

          • paul from nc

            She looks a bit too chunky to be a cheerleader.
            Thighs look like Beyonce’s at the Super Bowl

      • OldDocNewSeason

        Who tf is responsible for employing a cheerleader in her mid/late 30s?

        Heads should roll.

        • cliff-Partying w/ Dez’ Monkey

          Howie, the Milf Hunter

          • glngarryglnross

            simply awesome

        • I Can’t Find My Puffy Coat

          NO employed a mom in her late 30s early 40s recently.

          • OldDocNewSeason

            In the canteen?

          • I Can’t Find My Puffy Coat

            Cheerleader

          • OldDocNewSeason

            Madness. What is wrong with the world?

        • Johnny Domino

          That’s affirmative action for ya

      • TimKerrForPresident

        When my wife gets like that, I just shake my head and walk away. Go ahead and get in an argument with the neighbor kids. All that means is that I will probably have to make a beer run for the little ba$tards later so they don’t eff with your car. Sigh.

      • https://twitter.com/richcolton RichC

        R.B.F. syndrome. its a real thing.

    • JosephR2225

      That’s the face everybody gets when they look at Howie.

      • Kelly’s Man dog.

        It’s helped him out in trades and contract negotiations, no one wants to look at him for too long…

        • cliff-Partying w/ Dez’ Monkey

          mean spirited 2nd post, nice. much better than your first

          • Kelly’s Man dog.

            I’m like a fine wine, I get better over time

      • cloisterwater

        In fairness, he has peed on a lot of lollipops

    • Johnny Domino

      Got a knot in her Vera Wang

  • Papale77

    Rams cut Chris Long and James Laurinaitis. Interest in both?

    • Rockedupeaglesfan

      And Cook. They must be clearing cap space to bring Sammy B back

      • Johnny Domino

        If they did, I could take Foles back from them in a trade for Murray and draft a QB.

    • B-West

      So, I checked out Chris Long’s pro-football reference page for some info, and he has “White Thunder” listed as his nickname. LOL.

      http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/L/LongCh99.htm

  • myeagles_need_OL

    Laureniatis as our SAM?

    • cliff-Partying w/ Dez’ Monkey

      only thing I know about him is his dad’s either Hawk or Animal from The Road Warriors. doesn’t he have injury concerns?

      • OldDocNewSeason

        only thing I know about him is his dad’s either Hawk or Animal from The Road Warriors.

        You say this like you need to know more?

        • Will:↑↑↓↓←→←→BA

          Whaaaaaaaaaaaaat a rush!

      • Rambler

        His dad Joe Laurinaitis was Road Warrior Animal. The OSU games were fun when James played there because a bunch of fans would wear some of the crazy Road Warrior gear.

      • JosephR2225

        Concussion issues from getting hit with a folding chair as a child.

      • myeagles_need_OL

        I don’t believe so.

        he’s played all 16 games ever year he’s been in the NFL.

  • CHRIS – Birds 24/7 FFL Champ

    LOL

    Ian Rapoport ‏@RapSheet

    #Cowboys DE Randy Gregory has been suspended for the first 4 games of 2016 for violating @NFL substance abuse policy. He has a history.

    • CHRIS – Birds 24/7 FFL Champ

      Per @NFL drug policy, Randy Gregory failed 4 tests. 1st at combine — in the program. Then 2-gm fine, then 4-gm fine, then 4-gm suspension

      • Rockedupeaglesfan

        Wow 4 failed tests in under a year. One at the combine when you know you’ll get tested. That’s brain dead

    • cliff-Partying w/ Dez’ Monkey

      wonder if this helps or hurts his case to be back w/ dallas. dallas would only have to pay him 12 checks, and he’ll be almost untouchable by every other team so they might get to really lowball him.

      • I Can’t Find My Puffy Coat

        He’s a 2nd year guy.

        • Will:↑↑↓↓←→←→BA

          Didn’t take long

        • cliff-Partying w/ Dez’ Monkey

          oh, man, brainfart, was thinking of Hardy. difficult to keep all those knuckleheads straight

          • Beta20

            naaah. you were just following B24/7 rule #1: drink before you type.

        • JosephR2225

          This was a perfect opportunity to tell Cliff to think before he types.

          • I Can’t Find My Puffy Coat

            I didn’t think before I typed.

      • CHRIS – Birds 24/7 FFL Champ

        wonder if this affects their draft approach, take a first round pass rusher instead of that shiny new QB. hardy is gone, gregory 4 games and clearly on his way to a 1yr ban

        • cliff-Partying w/ Dez’ Monkey

          they need everything on defense. Bosa I guess?

        • peteike

          That’s what I’d love, even gave you upvote. We know what will happen right, they take Wentz. Small school, big tools guy like Romo

      • OldDocNewSeason

        You confusing Gregory and Hardy?

        • cliff-Partying w/ Dez’ Monkey

          yup. too many idiots on one team

    • JosephR2225

      And the oddsmakers take a beating.

    • dnabrice

      So the personal conduct and substance abuse policy violations don’t escalate each other?

    • Beta20

      Not to be a jerk, but history or not, you can get a 4 game suspension in yr 2 and still make $$$$ a la LJ. PEDs and substance abuse are different cats, but just sayin’.

  • Truthsayer

    Since I cannot make a comment on the article on the other site. When is Mc Coy getting arrested? If that was you or I who hit someone, cop or not, we would have gone straight to jail. You could have used an egg timer to time how long it took to make that decision. This a hole is out walking the streets. I demand justice.

    • G_WallyHunter

      No real evidence and questions of doubt.. it’s not happening and he’ll start week 1.
      Cops won’t fight a $1 million lawyer and lose like that in the public eye, just another player getting off with money.

      Remember when Fitz paid a lawyer almost 7 digits to get his Arizona photo radar tickets tossed out? 4/5 of them got tossed, he did it on principle. No more photo radars in the state of Arizona. These guys have tons of money and they’ll throw whatever they need to at a lawyer to get it tossed.

      Couple of cops doing what cops do in the off hours, probably acting like tough guys without their badge and they pick the wrong fight with big football players and get their @$$ kicked and then start crying with their badge.

      • Token

        There are still photo radars in AZ.

        • G_WallyHunter

          Damnit token it sounded good, thanks. Only hole in my story

          • TimKerrForPresident

            I hate contradicting Canadians, but you need to understand the deep culture of Philadelphia. Thankfully there is no race angle to this story, but if you beat someone, while they are prone, and present no immediate threat, it is aggravated assault.

            If those “someones” are cops, in this city, it will not just go away. He may be exonerated in a trial, but the FOP will create an unholy stink until charges are filed. Go look up Frank Rizzo if you want to understand the relationship between the city and the boys in blue.

            Just an fyi. Not trying to be a jerk.

          • G_WallyHunter

            Didn’t come off as jerkish at all, I can respect a Philly resident chiming in and correcting me there, I’ve never been, only in my dreams for the last 13 years. I can safely say I’m speaking from no idea of how it is in the city with culture and police relationships for lack of better words, please excuse my ignorance there.

            My main point is I think McCoy will get off scot free with his money, the whole spiel about the cops causing it is just a rant. They jumped the guys no question, I hope he does do time he deserves it, just don’t think it will stick. What’s FOP?

          • TimKerrForPresident

            Fraternal Order of Police.

            You still owe us all a shout when you come down. Trust me. You will have a terrific time.

          • G_WallyHunter

            I plan on notifying you when I do, could possibly happen this season. The wife wants to go down we might make a 4-5 day trip. Must check out the flight prices in September and October..

            So FOP would mean he might get off the hook legally but he won’t get off the hook with the police and the way they’ll be treating him in the future?

            I will look into Frank Rizzo

          • TimKerrForPresident

            Sure, but it is mostly a political issue. If the rank and file are upset it makes it very difficult for our new mayor.

            First cheesesteaks, or roast pork, on me when you folks come.

          • G_WallyHunter

            Lol with the way my dollar is I’ll definitely hold you to it..

          • ACViking

            Tougher than the Cuban army

          • TimKerrForPresident

            Who is? Sorry, long week.

          • ACViking

            famous Rizzo quote in the 1970s when mayor abt the Philadelphia PD.

          • TimKerrForPresident

            Ah, yes. Frank was a piece of work.

            ‘When I’m finished with them, I’ll make Attila the Hun look like a f#g.”

            That is likely the most famous Frankie was not a nice guy.

          • peteike

            The police high profile cases are in the public eye more than ever. These cops getting in a fight at that place off duty, not reporting it or calling it in etc. tough spot the police are in. They can’t use what would normally be an easy case vs a celebrity basically.

          • cliff-Partying w/ Dez’ Monkey

            wait, Frank Rizzo is a real guy? thought he was a character the Jerky Boys made up. one of their better calls was when Frank Rizzo wanted a mechanic job.

          • Joe from Easton

            Open ya F****ing Jack**s!

  • Kcantihwd

    Can anybody offer a valid reason for a salary cap, other than a bunch of cheap ass owners resorting to the “Good guy, Bad guy” negotiating tactic to make the game less competitive and less interesting? It certainly inhibits the ability of the coaching staff while they’re dealing with what should be highly resentfull players.

    • Andy Six Score and Four

      self evident.

    • I swoop therefore I am…Eagle

      So an owner like Jerry and all his money can’t offer all the best players in the league 10 mil a piece to play for the cowgirls. Helps keep teams in check and a more even level of competition

  • The same old bull!

    Why would the Eagles even consider Foles? Foles stink and he proved it last season with the Rams. Bradford isn’t much better. The Eagles need to go after one of the free agent QB’s and see what the draft offers next season. Either way, Bradford or Foles you can be sure the Eagles won’t be going far next season.

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