Wake-Up Call: Why It’s Working For Sanchez (So Far)

Photo by: Jeff Fusco.

Photo by: Jeff Fusco.

When Mark Sanchez’s night was through Friday, tight end Zach Ertz approached the quarterback and congratulated  him on going 12-for-12.

“I said, ‘No, man, I went 11-for-12.’ He said, ‘Yeah, but that [interception] didn’t hit the ground,’ ” said Sanchez with a grin. “You have to have a sense of humor about it.”




No matter how you slice it, Sanchez has completed passes at a high rate in his limited time in an Eagles uniform. The six-year vet is 18-for-22  for 196 yards with two touchdowns and an interception over the first two preseason games. That's a completion rate of 82 percent.

The Sanchez signing seemed a bit peculiar on the surface. Chip Kelly says that he values "repetitive accuracy" in a quarterback over everything else.  Sanchez completed just 55 percent of his throws during his time with the Jets. It's very early, but to this point the six-year vet has been on time and on point with his throws.

He credits a couple things for his success to date. One is the tempo. Sanchez really seems to benefit from the whiteboard being wiped clean the moment a play is over.

"I love that there's no time to worry about anything with this offense. You just roll," he said. "You get it back the next time, if you miss a throw, you screw something up, you just move on. There's no time to wait, go back to the huddle, think about it, you have the coach yelling in your ear. It's just not like that. You move on and play. I love that tempo.

"I think it really meshes well with my personality."

The other thing is personnel. The second team has some first-team elements to it, with the likes of  Lane Johnson, Zach Ertz, Jordan Matthews and Darren Sproles all working on Sanchez's behalf. The line has given him time, his targets have gotten open and he has taken advantage.

"He's just showing you who he is," said Nick Foles. "I'm not surprised by it at all because I've always known he is a tremendous player, he is a tremendous guy. He's been a tremendous addition to the quarterback room. It's really fun to go  watch him go out there and play and execute the offense and play at a high level. He's just doing what he's been doing his whole life. It's nothing abnormal. He's just going out there and being Mark Sanchez, and I love it."

The last several weeks have been important ones for a QB trying to establish that 1) he is past his shoulder injury and that 2) he is a starting-caliber signal-caller in this league. Kelly says the Eagles haven't received any trade offers yet. And really, it wouldn't make any sense to deal Sanchez unless they were blown away because there is a decent chance you'll need him at some point this season.

Eventually, though, Sanchez hopes to once again be the man out in front. How does he balance that desire with the responsibilities of his current role?

"I just have to take every opportunity as it comes. Whether it doesn't happen for a while or I get a ton of reps, whatever that means, I can only control so much," said Sanchez. "I just have to do the very best with what I have and support the heck out of Nick, and that's what I try to do."

WHAT YOU MISSED

LeSean McCoy among those missing from Sunday's practice.

"We'll listen to anything for anybody." Sheil on possibility of a Sanchez trade, Marcus Smith's performance. 

Game review of the Eagles' offense against the Pats.

Some notes on Alex Henery, special teams snaps and Cary Williams.

Pass rush is the issue on third down, Sheil writes.

Jordan Matthews bounced back in a pretty big way.

Kelly was frustrated by his team's lack of discipline Friday night,

WHAT THEY'RE SAYING

Tommy Lawlor is feeling good about Nate Allen through two preseason games.

This summer Allen got to experience something new…stability. He has all his coaches back. The scheme is the same. He’s healthy. Life is pretty darn good. The Eagles made things even better by signing FS Malcolm Jenkins. Finally, Allen has someone on the field that can help him. Jenkins is a good player with plenty of experience. He’s a natural leader and is pushing Allen to play better.

The Eagles have played 2 preseason games and Allen looks different. He is more confident. He is more aggressive. Allen will never be Dawk or Wes Hopkins, but he can be a quality starter. Allen was supposed to battle Earl Wolff for the SS job, but right now Allen has a virtual lock on the spot.

John Gonzalez on the competition that wasn't between Alex Henery and Carey Spear.

First cuts are rapidly approaching. The Eagles will trim their roster to 75 players by Aug. 26. Barring something unforeseen happening, Spear will be tossed onto the discard pile. Kelly said the Eagles “brought him to camp to see what he can do.” They’ve evidently seen enough to indicate that Henery is well ahead of Spear.

“A lot of it is based on practice,” Kelly said. “Obviously Alex is ahead of him when you see him out there in competitive situations in practice. You can’t manufacture it and you can’t make it up. You have to go by what the numbers are. I know Alex has missed two kicks all camp. He’s 5 for 5 at [50-yard kicks or more]. He’s 8 for 8 from 45-49 [yards] in training sessions. He did miss one in the game. But it’s also something that we’re not going to throw another guy out there. Alex has definitely out-kicked Carey so far in practice.”

COMING UP

We'll speak to Pat Shurmur and Billy Davis before the Eagles' 11:35 a.m. practice.

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  • Guest

    To use his own words, when asked about a fine preseason outing by Tebow, Sanchez smiled and said something to the effect of “Yeah, he did look pretty good out there . . . Against the twos!” Can we hold back on the Sanchez hype train a bit?

  • JosephR2225

    I’ll confess that I don’t know who is out there and available, but not bringing in legitimate competition for Henery is one of the biggest failures of this offseason. Maybe a kicker with another team doesn’t survive first cuts and they can bring him in, who knows? But I hope it doesn’t come back to bite this team.

    • evanphilly

      Yeah, if Henery isn’t hitting 45 yarders in the regular season, they would have to look to bring someone in at the bye week. I hope he gets some more chances in the pre-season just to see what he can/can’t do.

    • cliff h-MOAR white goons

      Giants have 2 very good kickers. Brown and some rookie who’s sinking 60 ydrs in practice. dont worry, someone will be cut. no need to bring anyone in before end of August, dont need to have 4 month tryouts. now, if Henery is handed job b/c he beat out this Spears kid only, i’ll jump in the shotgun seat of the B&M’g bandwagon

  • evanphilly

    You know what’s helping Sanchez? Not having the NY media analyzing his every move/breath/blink. Hopefully he can benefit from a fresh start.

  • MediaMike

    To do for 2015: UPGRADE KICKER
    Alex Henery is a complete waste of space, but obviously the front office didn’t want to prioritize not losing playoff games due to poor kicking. I’m hoping this doesn’t cost us a playoff game again.

  • cliff h-MOAR white goons

    anyone know who asked the trading question. one of the dumbest questions a reporter can ask. have dead money, learning new system in 3 weeks, the hole it’d leave Eags late in yr, com’on no NFL exec will forget the last 6 yrs cause of 2 solid ps games. makes me wonder if that reporter even knows jack-S about football.

    • Johnny Domino

      Trade might only happen at year’s end, this year he is great insurance

      • cliff h-MOAR white goons

        no, Sanchez is only on a 1 yr contract. no one is trading for him then either. why would they, can just bid for him in open market and keep all assets a trade would require. there’s 0% chance of Sanchez being traded, it makes no sense.

        • Johnny Domino

          Thought I recalled a three year deal, my bad.
          Let the extension talks commence.

        • Killer44

          One reason for a trade at end of the season would be to get exclusive negotiating rights. You would get a low-level draft pick, maybe a 6 or 7.

    • southy

      Tommy Lawlor’s article mentions it was SalPal

      • cliff h-MOAR white goons

        ah. yes, that’s an ESPN question for sure. poor SalPal, he used to be good. his brain is mush, must be something in water up there in Bristol

        • MediaMike

          What’s funny is that I don’t think Sal Pal was even that good before he went to ESPN. I typically found his “writing” to be underwhelming and his work on WIP (prior to leaving for ESPN) to be quite stupid as well.

        • southy

          I was typing my response thinking to myself “I bet Cliff already knows it was Sal Pal and was just playing it cool to increase the level of ridicule.”

          • cliff h-MOAR white goons

            no, honestly didnt. i dont go over to Tommy’s site all that much anymore. mostly right now he’s linking to articles and commenting, nothing much more than what we discuss here. his game recaps are a good read, though. and Geagle has taken over that site’s comment section, so no need to read that anymore, no one has a chance to bring anything up worth interest without him going bonkers

  • B-West

    I mentioned this in a post over the weekend, but Chip’s system is just really, really QB friendly. For all of it’s efficiency, it’s often simple one defender reads or counting defenders in the box. We’ve seen it over and over in the All-22s. Vick looked great in this system for a stretch last season, too. College caveat noted, but he rolled through QBs at Oregon.

    If Foles lights it up this season and plants himself in the company of Manning, Brees, Brady, and Rodgers, then pay the man. Obviously. But if he ends up outside of that tier, it gets dicey. You don’t have to pay big dollars to get that type of QB production in this system.

    • cliff h-MOAR white goons

      yup, when they said kelly would revolutionize the NFL, i thought all the talking point typically brought up were BS. but the one that might actually change is if he can de-emphasize the qb position. imagine the competitive advantage money wise a team can have by paying a solid qb (make up ranking 15-20 on most teams) but because of Kelly and system, play like a top 5.
      .
      it’d certainly take Big Balls Chip to roll over to another QB if FOles lights it up. but with every team having to hand out 17-20m, some alot more (cough Romo) now for starting qbs, though only 4 are probably worth that money.

      • MediaMike

        I’d offer that Foles, if he has another good year, on the $18 mil / year Romo / Stafford / Cutler contract is very easy to digest for two reasons.
        1) The cap is going up, up, up due to new TV money. Simply put $18 mil / year for 2016 through -2022 isn’t $18 mil / year for 2011-2015.
        2) The Eagles have a ton of space available (and will clear a ton more with a few cuts after this season again) to frontload a deal for Foles that will keep the team out of roster crushing deferred money like Dallas and Pittsburgh keep doing to knee-cap their rosters.

        • cliff h-MOAR white goons

          yeah, i probably would too. but, if Kelly thinks he can get Foles’ play on extending Sanchez, imagine how much more money Eagles could spread around.
          .
          it’s more of a hypothetical kelly revolutionizing NFL, which we know he isnt, but if there’s one area it’s possible, think qb position is possibility.

          • MediaMike

            And I’d counter with that is the one position you really can’t revolutionize.

          • cliff h-MOAR white goons

            you think Foles is 27/2 good? Vick looked great, he was just way past getting over bad habits and injury prone. imagine a 23 yr old Vick with Kelly for 2 or 3 yrs.

          • MediaMike

            I think Vick would still have the same issues he showed in his poor play prior to getting hurt last year. Plus Vick was getting hurt too much as a young player as well. Guys that run in the NFL never learn how to read a D or stay healthy. The only real quote Kelly has ever put out there on quarterbacking had to do with accurate throwing; that isn’t Vick or any other of the scrambling bums out there.
            Foles will never do a 27:2 again, might not be a 36:12 guy like I see, and may be replaced in another year or two; but it’ll have to be with a thrower in order to be successful.

          • cliff h-MOAR white goons

            taking Vick example too literally. we know what Vick became, but if we could go into wayback machine and get kelly with 23 yr old Vick. got Kelly with 23 yr old Foles, and look what he did.
            .
            again, i’d probably and want to pay Foles. him getting paid means good yr, means successful year. but it’s a tantalizing and more fun talking point than any other manufactured Kelly is revolutionizing NFL

          • MediaMike

            I just don’t think Vick would every bring the requisite understanding of progression reads in order to be successful at what Kelly asks QBs to do.
            What I would have loved to see is Kelly’s demanding attention to detail added to Andy Reid’s passing attack with a young Donovan McNabb. McNabb would have been drilled on the correct technique on setting his feet to throw, used his athleticism correctly, still threw very few INTs, and gotten rid of the “worm burner” passes.
            Vick lacks the IQ to do all of that.

          • Piatz1019

            That’s an interesting point. We always talk about Vick as the perfect running QB but McNabb could’ve been INCREDIBLE with Kelly. He had the arm, the legs, the athleticism, the size, the smarts…but he lacked the work ethic and the courage to make tough throws. Foles will throw a long ball to Cooper before he is open if it looks like he can make the play. Manning and Brady do the same thing but average QBs wait until the WR is open which results in a lot of missed plays. McNabb only threw to a receiver when no one was within 5 yards of him. THAT was why he didn’t throw many INTs. Maybe Kelly could’ve taught him that, but that seems to be more of an intangible trait than teachable.

          • aub32

            I disagree. There are plenty of QBs who throw with anticipation. For some reason Philly fans love to highlight when Foles does it as if it’s some anomaly. Throwing with anticipation isn’t just about how smart a QB is. A lot of it has to do with arm talent. Manning has to throw with anticipation. If he waits for receivers to get open, the ball will take too long to get there. On the other side QBs like Flacco and Cutler will hold onto the ball knowing they can gun it in there. The best example is Rodgers. I don’t think a single fan will argue Rodgers can’t throw with anticipation. Then why does he take so many hits? Because he has the arm talent to not only throw with anticipation but also gun the ball when needed. He also has much more mobility than Manning. So he knows he can escape more situations and buy extra time.

            My point is fans highlight what they want. Vick threw with anticipation. However, his ability to run and throws darts were far more impressive and featured more frequently. Foles is an underrated athlete. Though his anticipatory throws are the focus because he doesn’t have a killer arm.

          • PhillySean

            I hate to be negative, but I have a hard time picturing McNabb doing the uptempo thing. He and Reid seemed to be made for each other in that they both appeared to be operating on some sort of don’t rush/panic philosophy of dealing with high pressure situations. Very subjective comments on my part, but doing things in a hurry seemed to not be part of the world they operated in.

          • MagatBrackendale

            Lacked work ethic and courage? Sounds an awful lot like Mississippi 50 years ago.

          • MagatBrackendale

            Lacks intelligence? Hmmm. That sounds an awful lot like Alabama 50 years ago.

          • https://twitter.com/richcolton RichC, brings duck to cockfigh

            All this Vick talk, I thought maybe #7 would be back to talk about his favorite “team”

            Nope – full fledged Jets Fan now. Here he is in full “7” mode weighing in on Geno/Vick debate.

            http://thejetpress.com/2014/06/24/new-york-jets-geno-smith-will-face-competition-michael-vick-starting-spot/

          • cliff h-MOAR white goons

            ha, too funny. was half hoping to see BBaaS chiming in.

          • Andy Six Score and Four

            Did you see the Toy Goddess posting on game night? With the lips avatar? That’s BBaaS.

          • cliff h-MOAR white goons

            really? she replied to me a couple times, didnt pick up on that

          • Andy Six Score and Four

            yup, really. I didn’t catch it at first either, but it’s true.

          • cliff h-MOAR white goons

            funny that people change handles. if you post enough, people can tell/smell thru it. like if i changed mine, you could tell within seconds once a sal cap discussion came up.

          • JofreyRice

            haha, good to know. A “Sex Toy Goddess” posting with a hardcore anti-Nick Foles agenda. Wow, can’t make this crap up.

          • MagatBrackendale

            Perhaps she went on a diet and no longer has the BB? Or alternately, the BB got too BIG for the avatar?

          • Explorer51

            Yeah but he’s going to have to change his screen name to #1 unless he’s a closet Geno Smith fan:

            http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000346437/article/michael-vick-to-wear-no-1-with-new-york-jets

          • lewel

            You keep track of disqus users that have a different opinion than yours? Like, one year later? You’re too cool.

          • https://twitter.com/richcolton RichC, brings duck to cockfigh

            its “your to cool” and thank you.

          • aub32

            Uhhh no it’s not.

          • https://twitter.com/richcolton RichC, brings duck to cockfigh

            for real Aub, I’m reading it now in my 3rd edition Book of Common Internet Insults (ironically not available online)

          • OverreacSean Jackson, #culture

            The accuracy…

          • anon

            spread to where though? this team doesn’t seem intent on spending money on any FAs. We have drafted guys but i don’t think all of them will stay or that any of them deserve big money deals.

          • cliff h-MOAR white goons

            they’ll stay for sometime if they get paid. not all buyouts of rookie contracts have to be for 5yrs. could be just for 2. i think that’s what Boykin will do. take a 2yrs 10m, instead of playing for 700k. win-win.

      • B-West

        I couldn’t agree more with your competitive advantage point. Please slide that budget over to the pass rusher section of the spreadsheet, please.

      • Kleptolia

        Good points, but have to say that Chip isn’t trying to de-emphasize the QB position.
        In fact, Chip is as big a believer as anybody that the QB is the most important position on the field.
        The reason that such a variety of guys with different skills have flourished in Kelley’s offense is that he tailors the offense to each man’s strength.
        In that way, you could say that Chip emphasizes the position.

    • MediaMike

      If he lights it up this year again, he gets the Cutler / Stafford / Romo level deal for productive QBs. If he’s up and down, he gets the Kaep deal for guys that you can live without.

      • cliff h-MOAR white goons

        kelly in college, yrs ago (obviously his thought process might have changed) has said he think it’s a total waste of money to pay that type of salary to qbs. he also added, unless they are Brady or Manning. so, we’ll see. fact is, the only thing equal in NFL is salary cap. if Kelly can create a top 5-10 qb while payng them 12-15m less, that’s 3 upgraded positions. be a great competitve advantage. personally, i’d pay the QB, especially Foles cause should be crazy money, do get some type of discount getting him off rookie contract a yr early (assuming he plays well).

        • MediaMike

          I don’t think you can rely on rotate-a-qb mentality in the NFL and win.

          • cliff h-MOAR white goons

            except he has already. no one but a few Foles homerest of the homers think he’s 27/2 good. biggest reason is kelly. and Vick, if he was 10 yrs younger and could stay healthy (i know it’s another hypo) would have been something to see.

          • MediaMike

            We’ll see how the year plays out, but I think that signing guys like Sanchez coupled with keeping Barkley on the roster as the 3rd shows that Kelly isn’t trying to put Foles on notice or work on transitioning to another type of QB.

          • B-West

            It would be dicey. But man… We’re talking about how good MARK SANCHEZ looks! Butt fumble guy! And Mike Vick looked really good last year. He got hurt because he always gets hurt. And I know we all love Foles, but it’s not like this guy has Andrew Luck pedigree.

            We’ll see it play out on the field, and I hope Foles goes for 50/8 and is a true blue stud and we have to break the bank. That would be a great scenario. But if he doesn’t, this team has more options than any other. We don’t have to reluctantly commit to guys like the Bengals, Niners, or Bears did this past offseason.

          • MediaMike

            Except Vick didn’t look good in a few regular season games prior to getting hurt.

          • Andy Six Score and Four

            Agreed. He ended up having more bad games than good and his overall numbers are not what makes me say, “Gee, he played in a really quarterback friendly system.”

          • MediaMike

            Yeah, Vick from the Vikings debacle forward, really demonstrated that he’s not a trustworthy NFL starter.

          • aub32

            The offense was #2 in the league and breaking records, but that’s not really a QB friendly system.

          • Andy Six Score and Four

            55% completions, 5 touchdown passes in 5 games, an 86 rating, couldn’t do crap against a Denver defense that was actually worse than ours. Real quarterback friendly.

          • anon

            Denver D was worse than ours? What? At that point they were the best run D in the league!

            I guess you give no credence to the fact that Vick’s stats came against playoff (and SB calibur teams) whereas no one that Foles played had better than an 8-8 record except GB without Rodgers.

          • Andy Six Score and Four

            When he played good D’s, which only happened once, against the Chiefs, he was terribad.

            Denver gave up more points than us and their passing D was near the bottom of the league.

          • aub32

            Foles didn’t face a defense anywhere near what KC had at the time we played them, before their injuries. DEN had the best rushing defense. What do we say our team is based on? The run. What happened when Shady couldn’t get going against the Saints? Foles struggled. I am not here to argue Vick or Foles are the better QB. Vick saw success in the system. He played really well and lead the 2nd best offense in the league. How is that not a QB friendly system if Vick, who you view as a below average QB, is leading the #2 offense in the league?

          • Andy Six Score and Four

            I do think it’s a quarterback friendly system. I don’t think Vick’s performance provides any evidence to that affect though. He would have had to put up passing stats significantly better than his last few years in order to provide support for that argument. He did not do so. A completion % under 55? Seriously? That’s awful.

          • aub32

            He was above 60% his first 2 games. He then played one of the top 2 defenses in the league followed by the team that would go on to be in the SB. He got hurt in the Giants game. Had he played an entire season and had a 55% completion percentage, then I would agree with you. He struggled against two of the best teams in the league. That happens. Again, I think Foles would have struggled just as much. Stats aren’t anything without context. I don’t know how someone could watch Vick in the system and say it did not benefit him.

          • Andy Six Score and Four

            What does Denver’s offense have to do with Vick’s passing?

          • aub32

            Who said anything about their offense? Read what I said. I mentioned their rushing defense, which is part of the reason they went to the SB along with the offense.

          • Andy Six Score and Four

            They went to the SuperBowl, they were good, because of that offense. There’s no logical reason to think that offense would have prevented Nick from playing well. There’s no logical reason to think that their run defense would have stopped Nick from playing well.

          • aub32

            Is the Eagles offense predicated off the run or the pass? If you suggest the latter then you are obviously too biased to have a meaningful discussion about Foles. That’s fine. There are other topics. So sense I am sure we both agree this offense is about first and foremost running the football, then it’s safe to say that the offense struggles when the option to run is taken away. We saw this in the first half of the Saints game. Does stopping the run affect Foles’ ability to pass? No. Does it allow defenders to focus on the passing game knowing they can stop the run without allocating extra defenders and essentially make it more difficult for the QB to pass the ball? Yes.

          • Andy Six Score and Four

            McCoy still averaged 4.6 against Denver. It was about on par with the other games I mentioned where Foles did quite well.

          • aub32

            What? He looked great in both the Redskins and Chargers game. He also looked really good against the Giants before going down. QBs tend to look worse when playing really good teams (DEN & KC)

          • https://twitter.com/richcolton RichC, brings duck to cockfigh

            Looked like a hall of famer in the Redskins game. Don’t think I ever remember a better performance by an Eagles QB.

          • Andy Six Score and Four

            Only you could say that he looked really good in a game in which he completed less than half his passes then nitpick Foles when he’s completing passes at a high rate for great yardage lots of touchdowns and almost no turnovers.

          • anon

            Is that the giants game? He had to use his fee to get big chunks but we were winning the game — he should’nt get credit for that? QBs should only be rated based on passing stats?

          • Andy Six Score and Four

            We’ve been over this a hundred times. The rushing yards are a nice perk when you are also passing the ball well. But as a quarterback, if you’re passing poorly, you’re playing poorly.

            And seeing as we’re focused on weather or not Vick’s 2013 season is an indicator of whether or not the system is “quarterback friendly” in terms of accounting for Foles’s gaudy stats, I’d say it’s the passing stats that are relevant to the discussion.

          • aub32

            So rushing yards aren’t stats? If a system is “QB friendly” then the system should highlight what the QB does best, no? Vick has abilities that Foles doesn’t. So shouldn’t a system that’s friendly for him also allow him to use his legs? He wasn’t taking many hits. His injury was noncontact. If a system gets one of the best runners in space to pick up yards, and that runner happens to be a QB, isn’t that a “QB friendly” system. Plus let’s not act like the guy isn’t throwing the ball at all.

          • Andy Six Score and Four

            Oh, so your best defense is to try to change what quarterback friendly means? The point stands that if the system was so responsible for Foles’s season, then Vick’s passing stats would have been much, much better.

          • aub32

            Vick didn’t get to play the cowboys or the redskins in the 2nd game. He didn’t play the raiders. If you’re telling me that Foles would have put up big numbers against KC and the Broncos when we played them, then you and I disagree, and I am definitely accusing you of having bias given how Foles struggled against the Saints.

          • Andy Six Score and Four

            I don’t see any reason to think Foles would not have done well against Denver. What on Earth would you base that on?

            I won’t claim he’d have been very productive against KC, they were playing great at the time, but all evidence suggests he’d have very likely done better than Vick.

          • aub32

            All what evidence. You mean his record for playing well against playoff caliber teams? Try to be objective for once when it comes to Foles. I said what I was basing my opinion on Foles against DEN. They were very good at stopping the run. I think without the run this offense struggled no matter the QB. The Saints did a really good job of bottling up Shady in the first half, and Foles struggled.

          • Andy Six Score and Four

            So your argument is that Foles would not have passed well against a poor pass defense because their run defense was good? And you’re accusing me of bias?

            And we’re never going to agree about the New Orleans game. Was he great? No. Was he good in the second half? Yes. In the end, he tossed a couple touchdowns, put up 24 points and protected the football against a very good defense in his first ever playoff game.

          • Andy Six Score and Four

            How’d he do against the Giants, Redskins and Cardinals when Shady wasn’t tearing it up?

          • aub32

            Giants: He started that game with a lead given to him by Vick. He actually lost that lead and didn’t play too well early. I don’t blame him for coming off the bench cold. That happens. However, he didn’t light things up.

            Skins: The offense got off to a really good start. However, if you watched the game, you will remember the run game and the offense stalled.

            McCoy average 4.2 ypc, and it’s not like he had one big carry to account for all the yards. So I don’t see your point on that game.

            You still fail to be objective. I am not making a point against your beloved Foles. I am making a point about the system. The system is QB friendly based on the performance of two very different QBs. However, the system is not perfect. If the run game struggles, the QB is going to have a harder time, and we will likely see the QB struggle a bit. This was evident for both QBs.

          • Andy Six Score and Four

            You’ve gone and jumped the shark. You defend Vick who completed less than half his passes against New York, then claim that Foles, who completed 64% of his passes, 2 touchdowns and no interception and threw for nearly 200 yards in a half of football in that same game with the same running game or lack thereof “didn’t light things up”.

            If 4.2 ypc against the cards is good enough to disqualify that game, where do you get off claiming that Denver’s stifling run D would have ruined Foles’s day when McCoy averaged 4.6 against them?

          • bill

            2 simple rules:
            1. If you’re going to say something positive about Foles, you MUST, MUST, MUST include many caveats to indicate that he’s probably not that good.
            2. If you’re going to talk about Mike Vick, anything less than outright positive statements are not allowed. Negative caveats, like those required for discussions of Foles, are absolutely forbidden.
            If you violate either of these two rules, you will get in an argument with the #7 fan club. Guaranteed.

          • Andy Six Score and Four

            While I agree, I can’t claim the opposite isn’t also true. :)

          • bill

            Oh certainly. But you haven’t violated either of those two rules today. So I didn’t need to note it :)

          • aub32

            I agree with what you said except for the 49ers. They signed Kaep to a very team friendly deal, and he’s the best QB of the 3 easily.

        • JofreyRice

          I’m still looking for the original quote in regards to that. I mentioned it to Chris Brown on twitter (smartfootball dude/Kelly’s #1 fan) and he had never heard of it at all. He follows Chip pretty closely, and that’s a pretty wild idea, so I figured he’d heard him say it.

          • cliff h-MOAR white goons

            it’s in Fishduck.com. it’s on one of his PDF about creating a team culture. i know it exists. though we shorthand it to ‘wouldnt pay 20m for qb’, when the quote is more about ‘not every qb is worth 100m contracts, he wouldnt pay it. should have a better system in place than to rely on 1 guy’.

          • JofreyRice

            Interesting, yeah, I’ll have to go digging through that. It’s a pretty big thing to say. I know he claims he’s not an innovator and all that, but that is like having black mass in the Vatican, in terms of NFL blasphemy. You pay guys you *think* are franchise QBs like franchise QBs.

          • cliff h-MOAR white goons

            i do know it’s a PDF you have to open, it’s not an article. sure it’s in archives. it was a long time ago, think he was the OC at Oregon. not being in NFL, not knowing how huge it is to have franchise qb, so he certainly might have changed his mind.
            .
            but, i do still agree. think teams are handing out 18-20m to qbs way too easily now. no way are all of them worth it. to me, if you are a 20m qb, means you can single handedly win. that’s Rodgers, Brees, Manning and Brady. rest need help. like Flacco…if he doesnt get that crazy bounce in Denver game, terrible safety angle, what’s his story written like today? Kaep, if that GB corner doesnt drop that INT. might put eagles in better negotiating terms with Foles. obviously alot depends on his level of play. just figuring Eagles wont be scared at table to play little hardball.

          • damrvrhunter

            What is a black mass?

          • JofreyRice

            Not exactly sure, but I thought it sounded kind of cool. I’d imagine it involves upside crosses and reading the bible backwards or something.

      • B-West

        You are probably right. My thought is that given Chip’s system, you truly can live without the “guys you can live without”. Put him in that Kaep group… You either pay him that deal, or give a Sanchez-esque player 25% of the money for 85% of the production. The competitive advantage of paying a tremendous discount for top 10 production out of the QB position is very enticing.

        • cliff h-MOAR white goons

          yup, only cause we have this guy!

        • MediaMike

          That could indeed work out if Foles is feeling pressure to sign a team-friendly deal after this season. If Foles wants to play Flacco poker, play out his 2nd round deal, and compel you to franchise tag him ——————– he won’t have to sign the Kaep deal.

          • anon

            maybe that’s secretly why sanchize is here. You’ve gotta have two guys so you don’t have to pay one :)

          • MediaMike

            Ha ha, that’s a risky secret.

        • JofreyRice

          Maybe, but they have seemed to move away from taking the competitive advantage the cap space provides by selecting blue-light special free agents, special teamers, guys who’s teamd didn’t even make offers to them, etc. Not sure that extra space would mean much, at all. For that reason, I’d be more inclined to risk overpaying a guy we know runs Kelly’s system at a high level.

          • MediaMike

            But the beauty of the whole thing is that after some 2015 roster cuts, they can front load deals and not have to worry about overpaying equating Cowboy / Steeler cap hell.

          • B-West

            The Cowboys/Steelers are obviously a mess, but I think you can make a case that the way the Eagles handle their cap can be just as debilitating to a team’s chance at success. I mean, what exactly is the difference between cutting players because you don’t have the money and not signing players at all because you are saving the money? You still end up with a lack of impact players.

          • MediaMike

            I’m with you in theory there, but what impact players have the Eagles not signed to long term deals that they should have?

          • B-West

            It would be the same front loading you are talking about with Foles. Like you said, chew up the money when you have it. I don’t remember all the free agents, but take Demarcus Ware for example. We definitely could have front loaded a deal for him to come and help the pass rush. Get him in the sports science, back to a 3-4, rotate him to lessen his snaps… I mean, it definitely would have been worth a shot given the state of the pass rush.

            I’m sure there were other potential fits, but he’s a big name so I remember it. But as with any front loading of a deal, there are a million ways to minimize the effects on the back end if they wanted to go after Byrd or Ward at safety.

          • MediaMike

            Ward seemed hell-bent to take a below market deal to play in Denver, so I don’t think we could have signed him. Ware is old, so I’d give him a big deal at 26 rather than his current age of 32. I really couldn’t justify a 3 year deal for a guy of that age coming off of a physically diminished season. Byrd just had back surgery again so that scares me.
            Now if Orakpo plays all 16 games and hits the market I’ll be screaming bloody murder if we don’t get that deal done.

          • B-West

            All that said, (and I’m not sure I want to rehash the potential free agent specifics anyway), being flush with cap space allows you to take on any risk associated with a player. It allows you to sign an old guy like Ware, front load a 3 year deal, and then cut him after two years for a chunk of dead money. It allows you to take on a player coming off an injury, kind of like a Sanchez actually. It allows you to blow another offer out of water if you wanted to, in the case of Ward. You have the room for a swing and miss or two. It’s not ideal business, but it’s the benefit of all that cap space.

            Free agent strategies change per the situation, but I think that was definitely the strategy to take this past offseason. They had a ton of young talent on cheap contracts due to drafting well the past couple years. In that situation, you don’t stockpile the money to pay them down the road. You push your chips in and add as much talent on short contracts as you possibly can. This is exactly what Seattle did last year when they brought in waves and waves of pass rushers.

          • JofreyRice

            I can’t equate the Cowboys diaper-filling in regards to cap management with the Steelers. The Steelers are usually one of the more cap-strapped franchises, true, but they stay in the hunt, and can keep guys like Polamalu instead of throwing him overboard to finish his career in SD or JAX or some other perennial commode team. And then there is the touchy subject of trophies…ugh.

          • MediaMike

            Those trophies were won years ago ( in Not For Long terms) and they team hasn’t been competitive in 3 years due to the age and lack of depth on the roster.

          • Explorer51

            I hate the frickin’ Steelers but they are 1-1 in Super Bowls in the last five years; putting it into context, they last won a Super Bowl after the Phils won a World Series…

          • aub32

            But front load deals for who? I’m with you that the cap space can lead to all sorts of possibilities, but who are they spending the money on? They showed this offseason they weren’t bringing in people and wouldn’t even pay our best WR. So why get excited about unused cap space?

    • anon

      Everything that works about this system is b/c of Foles — don’t question his majesty. Interesting that Kelly gave Sanchez some first team guys — also be interesting to see if he plays thursday and with whom he plays.

    • JofreyRice

      Definitely something to consider.

    • peteike

      It is a QB friendly offense but its also a spot where the QB and skill players can make adjustments on the fly. That involves reading the D properly and making good decisions. I still think Foles flashes at times and is a gamer, Im still sold at this point but it wont be an easy season. He is the master of the intentional grounding though, he needs to work on that ha

  • JofreyRice

    Speaking of Lane, PED or not, I’m so glad we got him over Fisher. There is reason for concern with that kid. He looks really sloppy, unbalanced and generally lousy. Couldn’t even cut block a DB properly. Really poor finisher. Yuck.

    And as close as I am to jumping onto the Ertz bandwagon, I still wish we had somehow picked up Jason Kelce’s bro, Travis. It’s amazing that even after the microfracture surgery he looks as quick as he did as a Bearcat. Huge, fast, explosive. Looks like a giant WR, but can actually block. Imagine him getting open on that y-cross; zoooooom.

    I wonder how highly Chip had D’AT rated? His combine 40 wasn’t what we expected, but he was moving in a different gear than just about everyone else on the field. I think Darren Sproles has a much more well rounded skill set, but considering his age, I’m surprised Kelly would want him more than Black Mamba.

    • cliff h-MOAR white goons

      DAT is just so skinny. Sproles is short, but thick. see what happens when someone meets DAT in a hole, and it will happen.

    • anon

      Chip probably thought he wouldn’t be there where he wanted him (5th). Though i do think CK has a bad feel for where people will be drafted.

  • Token

    Im starting to wonder about Chip and Howies ability to self scout their own players and be honest about what they see.

    Everyone, minus a few on here, knew Henery isnt gonna cut it. Hes a bum. Hopefully a kicker shakes loose at cut downs and the Eagles have the guts to make the move.

    They almost seem surprised their pass rush is bad. How is that? It was obviously terrible last year and there were no pieces added to improve it. With Smith, was it that much of a panic pick? Chip wants more production but what did he expect? The kid is a long term project at best going into this preseason. The fact that they started him in Barwins role tells me what I need to know. Hes likely wont be their pass rusher answer. Certainly not this year at least. Hes got a long way to go in order to just be a effective player on the field in any way. Was Kruger really in their minds? Maybe the marine?

    It looks like we will keep seeing trash on the roster in the form of the Casey Matthews of the world. How are he and Marsh even in camp let alone playing a ton of snaps in the preseason? Jeff Maehl is still here. This team has no WR depth and we are wasting a camp body on Jeff Maehl and BJ Cunningham again? How about some fresh blood that may have a chance of being a #5 WR. Its a bit maddening to sacrifice the chance of having some young upside potential at the bottom half of the roster in order to keep on all these ST aces that cant play in the NFL at a real position.

    Negative, negative , negative….yea I get it. Im just saying that I dont like the road they are going down in building this team. Some of it I dont even understand the thought process behind it. Some of it seems like being different just for the sake of being different. I look at this team and feel like its a franchise that made almost no attempt to improve itself over last season. A season I feel they are really full of themselves over for no good reason. It may be a team buying its own hype and that can be dangerous.

    Maybe the switch turns on and they blow the doors off teams starting week 1. Its just hard to see that happening right now. A bad secondary teamed with a terrible pass rush never equals very good outcomes. It doesnt matter how good the offense can be in theory. I dont believe this team is equipped to win games 45-41 throughout a season.

    It would be interesting to see what happens if after this year they are a 8 win team sitting on 20+ mil of cap room unspent. What if all these studs everyone thinks we have due for contracts dont have the years we want? What if Kendricks doesnt earn a contract? I mean, realistically they will sign him anyway because they cant admit when its time to let a player go. But things like that can really put this team in a bad spot. Foles, Kendricks, Logan, Cox, Ertz etc… What if a number of these guys arent who everyone thinks they are? Our entire season and the immediate future is relying on some of these young guys taking the “next step”. Its on these young guys to become studs.

    Even Foles. Everyone says they would be happy if he was just like last year. 27-2…. Thats not good enough. The Foles of last year isnt good enough. The numbers were great. But a lot of smoke and mirrors. Foles got bogged down various times last year and thats OK he was a first time starter. Overall you cant have complaints about last year. But you need to see a next step this year. I dont think with the defenses and schedule we face this year that he will get away with some of the stuff we did last year.

    • anon

      We were middle of the road in terms of sacks last year — and when you add in intentional grounding (probably evidence that our guys create rushes but are two slow for sacks) then we look pretty good. I agree, it’s hard to see where pass rush improvement will come from.

      Agree henery needs to go, but Chip said he’s hit all his comeptitive practice kicks. There are a couple of other kicking battles in the league I think we can grab someone.

      My question is given that the offense can score points and teams are often playing from behind, should we be more focused on pressing to stop the pass? At this point I wouldn’t even start my RB against the eagles it’s just too easy to win on slants, crossers and comeback routes against our secondary.

      • Token

        Its the fact that Chip would bring up practice kicks that worries me. Thats meaningless.

        Someone said the Giants have a 2nd kicker nailing 60 yarders? Brandon McManus. I dont even have to know if hes good in actual games before we get him. Im all about KNOWN bums out, unknown in. Im willing to give someone that hasnt proven themselves to be a bum a try. Because you can strike gold that way. Keeping the same bums year after year leads to nothing positive.

        • anon

          a coupe of teams are having camp battles — hopefully we can bring someone in.

      • https://twitter.com/richcolton RichC, brings duck to cockfigh

        I’d be careful about trying to excuse their awful pass rush. We can Mamula the stats (well if you add the hurries and count forced intentional groundings…). No matter how we slice it, the pass rush wasn’t there. Token’s right – we did very little in FA and very little in the draft to improve it.

        Bigger concern: if the new rules focus makes it harder for our DBs to do their jobs, doesn’t that place an even greater premium on pass rush?

        • Andy Six Score and Four

          Our pass rush was crap last year. We achieved mediocrity despite it. If it improves this year it will be primarily due to improvement from the players we’ve got and maybe a bit more schemed pressure due to familiarity enabling more trickeration.

          I wouldn’t count on the last part very much though based on reading somewhere that the Eagles were already rated quite high in the league in unblocked pressure last year.

          • https://twitter.com/richcolton RichC, brings duck to cockfigh

            Now I’m wondering who that will be. I was kind of hoping Cox and Logan would take that next step. Haven’t seen it yet. Barwin and Cole are who they are. Are we pinning our hopes to Thornton?

          • Token

            If they are sticking with the same exact scheme as last year they wont get many of those chances. No 1 gap 3-4. No 4-3. Good old talent wasting 2 gap 3-4. With 15 yard CB cushions to top it off.

            Most of the very little amount of talent we have on D is in the DL. And the scheme basically neuters that.

          • peteike

            you hope the scheme improves like it did last season in 2nd half. It was at least serviceable, that and hope minor improvements help at least a bit. Thing is, it probably wont be as bad as we think but also wont improve much at all either. I was having visions of Wide 9 with them running at will all over us.

          • Token

            You have to forget that magical end of last year. It was a perfect set of circumstances. A terrible schedule made worse by injuries and snow. The D didnt improve. Remember the Vikings?

          • peteike

            well they did, but thats not saying much. They are least a solid tackling team at times and gang to the ball. Im really optimistic about a middle of the pack squad or at least 20 range. Its the ignoring the D part and focusing on O that worries me with CK. You gotta look at who they drafted also, those WRs were a need and we still seem thin there. 3-4 OLB are tough to come by also hence the bit of a reach. Watkins, Hart, Reynolds and Allen are all solid attempts at this point just cant get instant satisfaction there.

          • Andy Six Score and Four

            Kendricks, maybe Barwin plays a little better, maybe Curry gets more PT, maybe Smith shows us something in the second half of the season…

          • https://twitter.com/richcolton RichC, brings duck to cockfigh

            OK, but if we’re depending on Kendricks to provide the pass rush, then we’re essentially pinning our hopes to Davis being more inventive with blitz packages now that he has a defense he’s more comfortable with.

          • Andy Six Score and Four

            I know. I’m not exactly trying to paint a very rosy picture here. A touch unusual for me I suppose.

    • Adam G

      How would you have improved the pass rush? I’m talking specific contracts with specific players that you would’ve given out in the Eagles situation.

      • https://twitter.com/richcolton RichC, brings duck to cockfigh

        draft and/or scheme

        • Adam G

          With this specific scheme, who in the draft and who in free agency. I’m just asking for what could they have done because it certainly seems like their hands were tied.

          • Token

            Unfortunately people like me and Richard dont get paid millions of dollars a year to break all these guys down. If you really believe there is nothing the Eagles could have done to better themselves then you really are drinking the koolaid. Kelly simply prefers coaching over talent. Size over talent. Droppers instead of pass rushers. I think the core philosophy of most of the team is just odd.

            I do know that ending up with Smith in the 1st rounder was a failure by the coach and FO.

            I wonder if getting 10 wins last year ends up being the worst thing that could have happened to this team.

          • https://twitter.com/richcolton RichC, brings duck to cockfigh

            I’ve been way too busy with my full time job advising Ruban Amaro Jr to take Howie up on his offers.

          • aub32

            It astounds me when I see people think there was absolutely nothing this team with 20M worth of cap space and tradable assets like Curry and Graham could have done to get a pass rusher.

          • Token

            Trading Curry seems like such a mistake. Maybe im really overvaluing the kid. But I think hes part of the reason you switch your scheme up. He has such potential as a 4-3 DE pass rusher. You cant teach his first step.

            But I do see your overall point. The idea that their hands were tied and they couldnt improve is ridiculous.

          • Adam G

            Is it ridiculous? There is a limited supply of rushers in Free Agency and off the top of my head besides Ware, who I don’t even think would go to philly unless overpaid, I can’t think of one other rusher that was even a viable option. If you are going to pontificate, then legitimately call out free agents they could’ve signed.

          • Token

            You are correct. There is no way the Eagles could have improved this team in the offseason. They were good enough last year.

          • aub32

            You keep asking for other people to give you names just because Ware is the only one you can think of. Here’s an idea. Go to google and look at the FAs that were available. Then you might understand why some fans don’t agree the team did all it could.

          • Adam G

            First off, I don’t keep asking. I’ve asked twice and STILL nobody has given me a specific guy. I don’t have to google. In free agency, there wasn’t anybody to sign. Don’t get so hurt that you can’t name a guy. If you are going to say they should’ve improved in free agency, then NAME SOMEBODY SPECIFIC THEY COULD’VE SIGNED.

          • Token

            I gave you a few options. Ones that didnt even involves free agents. Getting guys that would have no say in the matter. But keep on drinking the koolaid.

          • Adam G

            You actually gave options, I’m not coming at you. In fact your draft suggestions make sense. But for those that specifically talk about free agency and pass rush and 3-4 OLBs its nonsense. There was a reason they seemed to be interested in Worilds because there wasn’t anybody out there. So obviously in hind sight, if they knew all their guys wouldn’t be there with their first round pick, they could’ve traded up for Barr or whoever. But that’s not how drafts work. And there is a mountain of evidence that trading up is not a successful strategy.

          • Token

            I think at the end of the day doing almost anything else with that 1st rounder besides drafting Smith would have been a better option. I dont even remember now who all was available before and after we traded back. But theres not a chance that Smith was the best player or probably even close. Hes a reach thats a project. He could pan out as a Barwin type someday but hes got a long way to go. I think this team needed to get some kind of production out of its 1st rounder this year. They arent good enough to not.

          • JofreyRice

            haha, dude I’m definitely not Marcus Smith’s biggest fan, but I think you went from overboard to perhaps over the cliff. Fully admit it’s frustrating as crap to see Smith get thrown around like a ragdoll, but we have to see how it pans out.

          • Token

            He may well pan out to be the Barwin they want like I said. But the Eagles arent a team that can afford to have a 1st rounder be completely useless this year. I believe he will be a non factor in 2014. Its impossible that there wasnt a better option.

          • aub32

            How about Johnson, Antonio Smith, Peppers, Woodley, Rob Jackson. These were all players available.

          • Adam G

            And you basically discredit anything you are saying by mentioning those guys. Such a reach. Go back to googling to try to make your point.

          • anon

            we have cap space. I’d give a prove it deal to someone who can push to do something — you excited by malcolm jenkins before we signed him? No, but they did..

          • aub32

            These guys would all start over our current players. You’re just too into “coaches know best” mentality. That’s why you couldn’t think of any player other than Ware. You don’t watch enough football outside of what the team does and believe everything they do is the way to go.

          • Adam G

            Ah, ok. So lets go down the list. Rob Jackson would start over who exactly? Trent Cole? You kidding? You have to be I think. Antonio Smith would start over which Eagles Defensive End? Because that’s what he is, a 3-4 D End. Peppers is legit washed up, same as Woodley. Woodley has 9 sacks last two years combined, you think he’s a better option then Trent Cole who had almost as many sacks last year as he had the last two? And lastly, Johnson who was absurdly overpaid compared to his worth and is a tweener. You think you know so much more about football then you really do its kind of a joke. You sleep in your Desean Skins jersey these days or just wear it during the day?

          • anon

            You don’t think Cole and Graham and Curry really aren’t ends? Cole is old, Graham is terrible. Let’s bring in a vet that wants to show he can rush – jared allen would have been nice too.

            It’d be different if graham was good, but he’s not good, so just replace him with a vet who can at least give us cole production. Allen is only a 3rd down guy now.

          • Adam G

            Issue is you are replacing Cole with somebody who does exactly what he does. And he was not bad at rushing the QB last year. There isn’t one viable option in that list. It’s crazy to me that with all this talk by commenters on this board about getting better rushers that there isn’t one theory that is viable assuming the team stays in 3-4. I’m sorry, “trade up” isn’t going to do it. And naming a bunch of washed up players who nobody wanted, second stringers, and an immensely overpaid tweener does not prove your point.

          • anon

            it’s good if you can get a guy that fits your scheme better. I think they would try to do stuff for him. But its sort of his fault. Just learn to two gap so that you can be a 3 down guy. If you’re a 3 down guy you’ll have opportunity to get sacks. But if we can only trust you on obvious passing downs then it is what it is. He should have worked w/ someone in the offseason

          • Token

            He just isnt built for that. He cant do that every down.

          • aub32

            That’s like saying it’s Graham’s fault that he can’t just learn to cover and be a 3-4 OLB so that he can have a chance to rush the passer. Doesn’t work that way.

          • anon

            you’re saying curry can’t get fat enough? i can understand if graham just isn’t athletic enough

          • aub32

            That’s exactly what I am saying. If Curry were to gain the weight needed for the position, he wouldn’t be the same player. Adding 20-30 lbs tends to hurt a guys explosiveness.

          • aub32

            I do not like the idea of trading Curry. However, if you are going to switch to the 3-4 then we might as well get something for him. Neither of us thinks he’s going to be here long term under CK and Davis.

          • Token

            “Vinny Curry has a great pass-rush skill set, and you see that every time he’s in there,” Davis said. “When we’re out of our 3-4 mentality and in our third down, Vinny’s always in the backfield. And he does that well.

            Thats the DC saying that. The defensive coach of a team that has no clue how to get to the QB admits they have a guy who can live in the backfield. Then they go right back to the same failing scheme.

          • aub32

            No need to tell me man. I agree. We should be running a 4-3. I was okay with the switch last season. That’s what Kelly wanted and he wanted to get long term players like Barwin, Thorton, Logan, Kendricks (I know you don’t like him but he’s not going anywhere any time soon), and knott used to playing in the 3-4. I didn’t like it, but I got the reason. However, then they spend the entire 2014 offseason drafting and signing nothing but backups, and a safety who is scheme independent. So now we have the same players playing out of position.

          • Token

            You argue the players you listed are better off in a 4-3 too. Barwin is basically a SAM backer now except that he wastes snaps rushing the passer. Hes a prototype SAM in a 4-3. Logan and Thornton DTs. Kendricks WIL.

            Im a fan of a 3-4 look. But it makes no sense in this case. What we needed was a real DC to coach the 4-3 and to keep adding talent to the D>

          • aub32

            I’d argue Thorton is better in the 3-4. He couldn’t generate a consistent rush in a 4-3. Now having his main focus as stopping the run will help his game. I have made similar arguments about the other guys. I think this D would be above average in a 4-3 scheme under a different DC.

          • https://twitter.com/richcolton RichC, brings duck to cockfigh

            Well if they aren’t going to use him, what else? I have a terrible feeling we’ll be having this same conversation on more than one Monday this season. Pass rush stinks, but Curry gets, like, 8-10 snaps.

            Azz must really hate him for some reason.

          • Token

            I never cared if Jackson were traded or cut.

            However, I do hope this doesnt become commonplace. Watching talent go out the door because they didnt fit into the Chip Kelly system. Sometimes it seems like the staff has it out for Cox and Curry.

            Players around the league would take notice of that sort of thing too. It wouldnt help with FA signings.

          • anon

            I think people are going to eat up the defense b/c there is a year of tape on us now.

          • Token

            My overall thought is that the D is gonna get eaten alive and the offense isnt gonna be quite as good as everyone thinks it will be. I dont see them being a team that can win shootouts every week. If they fall behind and Shady gets effectively taken out of the game it gets really tough for this offense. I think its forgotten how good Shady McCoy is and what he did for them last year.

          • anon

            think offense will be good on the backs of shady, sproles and ertz. i don’t see mac and coop contributing a ton other than opening the middle of the field with ertz. Think matthews / mac will contribute on bubble screens.

          • https://twitter.com/richcolton RichC, brings duck to cockfigh

            well the scheme thing is self inflicted. Draft? if their plan was to reach, they could have helped themselves by reaching for pass rush.

      • Token

        Taken Ford. Traded up for Barr. Changed a obviously bad scheme around to exploit our strengths. You play a 4-3 and guys like Cox and Logan can add to the pass rush. You may be able to squeeze another few sacks out of Cole. Curry becomes a viable pass rusher. Graham maybe. Hell even a 3-4 1 gap system may help.

        FA is just too hard to know. A guy like Ware never would have came here for example.

        • anon

          at least 43under or some hybrid scheme — i agree.

    • 76mustang

      You realize Chip Kelly has never been .500 in his entire coaching career? As a head coach, he’s never won less than 10 games. What are you basing all this mis-guided angst towards the Eagles on? Seriously, take your Xanax and chill bro.

      It’s pre-season and every team is in the evaluation process. Are you convinced the Niners are done for after 34-0 drubbing at home by Denver?

      • anon

        I think at the very least their backup QBs are going to lose thier jobs. I do think Harbaugh is under a lot of pressure now It’s the only time you get to play a team like that until the SB. Your guys should be up for that game and wanting to make a statement. So yes, it does mean something when people don’t perform in pre-season.

    • aub32

      I agree with some of your points, but I think you are making a stink about others without a legit reason. I can’t believe they did not make more moves this offseason to assist with the transition to a 3-4 scheme. This team had too many pieces in the wrong spot and they seemed determined to do the same again. Hell, they were very fortunate no one took a run at Nate Allen because it seems he’s going to be the full time starter again this year.

      I disagree on Henery. We see kickers have a bad year followed by a really great year all the time. He was one of the few players doing really well in 2012. So he deserves another shot in my book.

      I think you are griping just to gripe about our WRs. You are right when you say we don’t have depth, but what are you expecting. What’s the point of switching out Maehl and BJ for two other WRs who aren’t going to make the team? Is that just so you feel better hearing about other names you don’t know? There’s a benefit in having camp bodies that know the system and don’t need time wasted on them when they will not be on the team in 3 weeks.

      • anon

        I think they should still scout-but since we run a very specific scheme and have a specific way of doing things it’s hard to bring guys in off the st.

      • Token

        This 3-4 switch is gonna take 3-5 years. Thats crazy. Especially when most pieces are better suited for another scheme.

        Hey, I know theres still Henery fans. Dont know how, but I know they are there. All I can say is good luck with that. The kid doesnt have it. When you cant trust a kicker outside of 40 yards in todays NFL its a real problem.

        As if there have never been unknown UDFA WRs who ended up being solid? Known bums out and fresh blood in. Thats how you can find good players with upside at the bottom of the roster. Guys that may have potential to be more then a ST ace. I ask, what good does it do trotting maehl and BJ out there for preseason reps? They arent NFL WRs. We should be searching for some that are.

        • aub32

          You make it sound like every year there are Victor Cruz’s to be had. That does not happen that often. So bringing in new guys just for the off chance on out of 1000 might work out isn’t worth the time it takes to coach these guys. Keep in mind I am not saying Cunninham or Maehl should make the team. I will be upset if either make it over Momah, who is your potential guy. I am saying they have value as guys who know the system and can eat up reps as well as teach guys like Pratt.

          • Token

            Unknown talent over known bums every single time. It makes no sense otherwise. I could know Chips system backwards and forwards, but if I cant play WR why am I on the team. The teammates teaching teammates thing is overrated too. That rarely happens.

    • RIP illa

      Truly epic post Token. Great readin for my Monday. Up vote!!! Don’t agree with everything but can see your point on all of it and agree with other things. Wish I had time, here at work, to get into this with you and discuss everything you brought up. Anyway…I think this is one of your best! Gonna enjoy reading the responses.

  • 370HSSV 0773H

    Sanchez has been going against 2nd string defenses.

  • Max Lightfoot

    The intellectuals over at philly.com are already calling Marcus Smith a bust, ie: Mike Mamula. Two meaningless practice games and they have him written off. He’s not gonna start as a rookie, but he’ll get there, IMO.

    It’s that fallacious thinking that every first-round pic should start – a few actually do (Lane Johnson), most (even Aaron Rodgers) do not.

    • JofreyRice

      way too early for that, but he was really bad in the Patriots game. Looked like he didn’t belong. Like I said, you hate to see your 3-4 OLB first round pick taken to the ground by a TE chipping him on his way out to a route. And was missing tackles in the running game, too.

      Hopefully, it’s like he said, that everything snowballed after he made a couple of bad plays. Pretty wild that Kelly actually called him out for it. Hopefully it’s just a minor bump in the road.

    • anon

      pre-season games are not meaningless — i’m not sure why you say that. Aaron Rodgers was drafted behind a pro bowl QB. It’s ok if that’s your strategy. But we needed a 3-4LB to start in those cases guys that are taken in the first round usually are starters.

      Even if Smith II isn’t a starter – he wasn’t out there dominating 3rd string guys either. He had one solo tackle ALL GAME and he played all game!

      Then look at ryan shazier for the complete opposite: 11 tackles a pick and a pass defense in his fist game.

      • Max Lightfoot

        They are mostly meaningless, except for one or two 2nd and 3rd-tier guys who are trying to make the team or the practice squad. I don’t put any stock in them, but overall, meaningless practice games. They are bland vanilla, if you like that sort of thing. Chip won’t tip his hand at anything. See last year’s practice games and compare them to how he opened against the Redskins.

        But be my guest – give up early on a rookie and compare him to others to make your point. Yeah, we need an OLB, obviously, but not all rookies start right away. It’s just a fact.

  • anon

    Calvin pryor is straight smashing people for the jets

    • https://twitter.com/richcolton RichC, brings duck to cockfigh

      at least we never had a shot at him. not like a certain Safety playing pretty decent ball for the Seahawks.

      • OldDuckMcDoc

        Maragos??!

        • RIP illa

          He said decent ball :-)

          • DEaglesWay

            Special Teams are important too! ;)

  • NCBiRDMann22

    Anyone mad as HELL this front office didn’t go get Calvin Pryor? This D has absolutely no one that can make a big play! Correct me if I may be wrong but they just look like a bunch of pradestrians!?!?!

    • https://twitter.com/richcolton RichC, brings duck to cockfigh

      say (for sake of argument) moving to #16 or 18 from #22 cost you a 3rd and a 5th. Would you trade Smith II, Huff, and Hart for Pryor right now?

      • NCBiRDMann22

        All day! We are continuing a dreadful experiment of replacements for a safety…ran by yours truely…Howieboy…ever since we shamed BDawk

        • anon

          ummm yes. maybe the hypo is different if we took a different player in the 3rd but we didn’t…

      • aub32

        Not pryor but other players, yes

        • https://twitter.com/richcolton RichC, brings duck to cockfigh

          trying to remember who you wanted. was it Cooks?

          • anon

            yeah have you seen that guy? But then people would be complaining that we didn’t take a OLB. But cooks would have been nice, even though i didn’t really want him (i definitely didn’t want j. matt). Would have taken Kony Ealy and Landry.

          • https://twitter.com/richcolton RichC, brings duck to cockfigh

            he looks amazing. totally would have been worth the “can you believe they cut Desean and drafted his clone” talk. I was a pulling for Dee Ford or an O-lineman with that pick.

          • aub32

            One of my main problems with cutting DeSean is that we cut him before finding out we could get Cooks. Had we drafted Cooks, then cut DeSean I would’ve been fine with it.

          • anon

            yeah they mishandled that. But CK is only human — no one is without weakness.

          • aub32

            We could have taken an OLB in the 2nd at the same spot we took Matthews. I don’t think there would have been much a drop off.

          • aub32

            Yes. I think he definitely would have been worth trading up for

      • cliff h-MOAR white goons

        not getting JMatt either, used the 3rd to move up. let’s give Smith more than 2 vanilla games. wow. wonder if 3-4 do show poorly in preseason. lot of there looks are based on disguises. 4-3 is 4-3, maybe send a LB or safety every once in a while.

        • bill

          Good friend of mine is a Steeler fan. We used to watch football together all the time mid-90s to mid-2000s. One thing I can remember from those Steelers’ defenses: they invariably started slowly. It got to the point that we’d just ignore the first two games the Steelers played, because the way the team (and especially the D) played those first two games never matched up with the rest of their season. In particular, their secondary always looked like crap those first two games.
          Haven’t paid as much attention recently.

  • Kleptolia

    ITS WORKING FOR SANCHIZE BECAUSE HE IS A SUPERNATUREL LION MAN!!
    HIS HAIR IS LIKE THE MAIN OF MUFASA! MARK SANCHEZ IS GOING TO BE A STARTER! MAYBE NOT THE STARTER FOR THE EAGLES BUT THE STARTER OF OUR HERTS!!!
    MARK SANCHEZ HAS A FOREHEAD YOU COULD PITCH A TENT ON!! HIS SHOLDERS HOLD UP THE SKY!
    SANCHISE WILL WILL GET THE EAGLES A CHAMPIONCHIP BY HIS WILL POWER AND HIS CHIN!
    GUYS!! MARK SANCHEZ IS THE FOREVER QB! CHIP KELLY WILL FIND OUT THAT NICK FAILS IS A PRETENDER! THE FUTCHER IS HER AND IT IS NAMED MARK SANCHIZE!!!!!!!!!!1!1!-!1!1!