Notes: Kelly On Sanchez’s Trade Value, Injury Updates

Sanchez

Towards the end of today’s session with the media, Chip Kelly was asked about the future of quarterback Mark Sanchez.

Sanchez has gone 18-for-22 for 196 yards, two touchdowns and an interception in the first two preseason games. How would the Eagles weigh potentially trading him against keeping Sanchez on the roster as the backup?




"Good question, cause Mark has played well," Kelly said. "But we haven't had anybody call or ask us anything. So that's not something we're talking about because you're just spending time on things that could happen, should happen... I don't know.

"But I know we're really happy about him. I feel very, very confident in our quarterback situation. Probably better than a lot of teams in this league going into it because I think we've got two guys right now that have actually played in games. Mark's got 68 games under his resume and is playing at a really high level right now. Obviously Nick [Foles] coming off an outstanding season last year, so we feel really confident. But I'm also a big guy that you better have two quarterbacks in this league, so unless something blows you out of the water, we're real confident with Mark starting a game for the Eagles."

The team hasn't received any calls yet and most likely won't receive any, but what if a team dialed the Eagles up tomorrow and wanted to acquire Sanchez?

"What are you giving me? We'll listen to anything for anybody," Kelly said. "We're not just gonna bury our head in the sand and say no, but there better be a pretty good deal in terms of what it is. But that's not any of our thought process. I think we need him, in terms of how he's playing right now, how he can function with what we're doing. And I've always said you need two quarterbacks."

EVALUATING SMITH'S PERFORMANCE

Kelly was asked today about what he saw from first-round pick Marcus Smith II against the Patriots.

"Marcus got a real extended look," he said. "I think he played 70 snaps, both between special teams and defense. He's got a burst, he's got some speed coming off the edge. But if you're gonna play that many plays, we're gonna need more production out of you. So still working at it, still got a lot of things to improve on."

INJURY UPDATES

* Josh Huff had X-rays taken on his shoulder, and the results were negative. His shoulder is in a sling, though, and he'll be out at least for the remainder of the week.

* Cary Williams, who suffered a hamstring injury on his interception return vs. the Patriots, was back practicing today during the portion of the session open to the media.

* Riley Cooper was practicing fully today. Jeremy Maclin was still sidelined, but Kelly said he expects Maclin to be ready to go full tomorrow. Kelly added that if the Eagles were playing a game tonight, Maclin would be able to play.

* Others not participating today: Chris Polk, LeSean McCoy, Brad Smith, Jake Knott and Jaylen Watkins. McCoy's absence was a bit of a surprise, but he had a baseball hat on and appeared to be fine. Kelly didn't mention anything about an injury with him during his pre-practice press conference.

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  • http://www.youtube.com/user/RipperEagle96?feature=mhee RJ

    Just a day off for McCoy I would imagine.

    And I wouldn’t trade Sanchez unless we get a good O-lineman, D-Lineman, or linebacker for him. Preferably a starter, or at worst a quality depth guy. I don’t know about anyone else, but I feel better about Sanchez going in and starting if (God Forbid), Foles gets injured than I do about Barkley.

    But again, Kelly said they would consider a deal for “anyone”. So it seems kind of like a question just to create a headline to create a story to me.

    • Cmeans65

      Hopefully Tannehill does terrible for the Dolphins this year and they misuse Dion Jordan again so they may finally pick up that phone and offer Jordan for some type of deal involving Sanchez.

      • paul from nc

        I’d love to get Jordan, but I’d try to trade Graham or Curry, even both. They don’t seem to fit what the Chippa wants and Jordan would fill our biggest need on D.

      • JofreyRice

        I wouldn’t part with much more than Mark Sanchez, straight up. Maybe a 4th rounder. Adding Jordan would just be adding another versatile drop 3-4 linebacker that can’t beat OTs in one on one matchups. We need passrush.

  • Kleptolia

    Closed practices.

    The closed practice sessions are far more important than the preseason games, from a scheme standpoint.
    The reason that the Eagles lacked pass rush and seemed to have problems with communication along the o-line was that players were being put into a variety of groupings and scenarios in order to beet get evaluate their capabilities. Now that that’s done, the scheme becomes the thing.
    The roster is already taking shape in the minds of the coaches. The next couple of weeks will be ironing out the details.

    A word on Brandon Bair: he’s old for an NFL lineman, yes; but he’s also very skilled at controlling his gaps. His length and athleticism were evident in the game last night. Don’t be surprised if he stays on the roster and gets some playing time in the regular season.
    My D-line prediction: Curry, Logan, Cox, Allen, Bair, Hart.

    • Kleptolia

      *better get, not beet get. Ugh. Sorry for the typo.

    • Jernst

      I think you’re nuts if you really think Ced Thornton gets cut outright

      • Kleptolia

        I think you’re probably right about me bing nuts.

        • Anebriated

          More likely they keep 7 DL

          • Kleptolia

            True.

    • Adam

      There is zero chance Thornton doesn’t make this team. Hands down our best 2 gapping d-lineman.

      • Kleptolia

        Yeah, you and Jernst are right. Thornton will make the team over Bair or Curry.
        That was a stupid oversight on my part.

        • Amar, CB who bought in

          Now what would be a scenario where we can get Curry, Cox, Cole, Graham play together on the DL…..a 4-3 you say ?
          Never mind.

    • jay ray

      meh, scheme will help, but i’d prepare myself for a decent dosing of 3rd down conversions given up by this D. Until they get a guy that can get after the QB, they will continue to get burned.

      • Kleptolia

        I still disagree with the people who are down on the Defense.
        Last night, in the first quarter, I liked what I saw of the starting defense. Thornton included! (Can’t believe I forgot about him. Again, sorry.)
        They were making stops at or behind the LOS.
        The secondary looked like a second string secondary, but that’s because it was actually a 3rd or 4th string secondary for the most part.
        When the Eagles started to sub different personnel groups, that’s when everything went south quickly.
        The play where the QB (Garopolo? Mallet?) ran the ball in was a complete loss of contain by the linebacker (Phillips, I think). When the end stunted inside, Phillips should have slid over to contain the hole. He didn’t.
        Again, it was just a preseason game. You can’t grade the Defense as a whole. You have to look at the individual pieces. What you guys have are some good 2-gap lineman (Thornton, Bair, Hart, Kruger, Cox to some extent) and at least one good rush lineman (Curry). You also have a solid LB corps, with a chance to get better as Smith develops. He has good speed and strength, but he doesn’t know how to use it. He gets pushed around due to lack of leverage.
        When your starting corners actually play a game, you might find that the QBs have to hold onto the ball just a bit longer, allowing the front seven to get to him.
        I think the Eagles will have a better defense this year than last year.
        Remember: last year in preseason everybody was wringing their hands over the defense. In the regular season, everybody was pleasantly surprised, for the most part.
        I think it will go much the same this year, with an improvement over last year. I still think it will be a top 10 defense in yards per play and turnovers.

  • DetmerWonAHeisman

    Safe to say Chip doesn’t sound too happy with the progress of our first round pick. Just saw this nugget on Marcus Smith II (via Rotoworld): “Smith played 73 snaps against the Patriots on Friday and has graded out as Pro Football Focus’ WORST 3-4 outside linebacker this preseason. He’s missed three tackles and produced just four QB hurries and four tackles after two games”.

    • John E. Zang

      Let’s give the kid a little break with the ratings and things. He hasn’t even played in a real game yet.

      • https://twitter.com/richcolton RichC, brings duck to cockfigh

        Yea, agreed. nobody thought he would be ready to contribute his first year, that’s why it’s still a little curious the took him at #26.

        • damrvrhunter

          I believe they explained that after the top two prospects Barr and Ford were gone the drop off between Smith and whomever was so severe that they knew he never last at the spot Jordsus got taken hence they ever so slightly reached. Swap Jordsus and Smith draft order in your mind and that should help you and others come to terms with the strategy. Lest I forget who said he is not expected to contribute some this season?

          • https://twitter.com/richcolton RichC, brings duck to cockfigh

            I really don’t need help with it, I just disagree with the strategy of reaching for need.

            I’m hoping he develops into a player – that’s the only thing that will justify the pick. You won’t hear me use the “B” word no matter what he does this year.

          • JofreyRice

            Ford was there when they were on the clock. They passed and traded back. Bad move, IMO.

          • Dan

            Would anyone be complaining right now if we took Mathews in the first (like ESPN projected) and Smith in the 2nd? Howie got both the guys we wanted and some picks.

            He’s got a very good feel for who will go where (see Kelly’s comments about wanting Hart but Howie taking Huff and promising Hart would be there later). He’s done a good job. Lets trust him and see what happens with Smith.

          • https://twitter.com/richcolton RichC, brings duck to cockfigh

            Yes. They would be. Part of the love for the Matthews pick is perceived value. You’re fantasy redrafting him ahead of Kelvin Benjamin and Marquise Lee – both guys with strong pre draft Eagles ties.

            I still say Smith was a panic reach.

          • Rellihcs

            With all due respect – you put stock in “predraft ties”… don’t we have both proof that there is rampant intentional bullswat/smoke screens out there AND proof that most of it pans out to be wrong? Just saying…. Benjamin is known to be a pretty akward athlete and non-dymaic NFL WR prospect. Plus the stuff came out about Lee bing a real injury concern…

          • Tom w

            They got a third round pick and traded down for smith. How in gods name was that a panic reach. The skins were gonna take him at 34. That’s not a reach at all. Both geagle and I and lawlor said he was a probable target if we traded down. The guy is already better in coverage than all of our lbs except Barwin and isn’t wven playing predator yet. Relax it’s two preseason games and the kid played well in game one

          • Rellihcs

            The word on Ford is that he’s a) never really dropped into coverage, and b) doesn’t show potential to do so. He seems like a pretty bad fit for the 3-4 to me. Have you thought about that? I personally fully buy into the fact that both of your OLBs need to be able to cover reliably.

          • JofreyRice

            a) is definitely true. He’s going to have a lot more to learn in dropping back than Marcus Smith, but I think he gives your passrush and immediate shot in the arm, right away. I don’t know that he’ll “never be able to do it”. He put up some really impressive #’s at the combine, I think he’s got the requisite physical ability.

            I guess I just don’t fully buy into the whole “3-4 OLBs have to be great in coverage” idea. There just isn’t a lot of that going on around the league, with successful defenses. They drop in zones, to the flats, etc. I think imagining your OLB is going to be able to run step for step with TEs on second down and then come back and destroy OTs on his way to the QB on third down is unrealistic. Clay Matthews

          • Anebriated

            Ford was considered a prospect who could rush the passer but that was about it. Davis is looking for guys who can rush and drop.

          • JofreyRice

            That’s pretty much what Anthony Barr was. Honestly, a lot of these guys are picked high precisely because of their ability to do that one thing really well. Davis needs to be looking for guys that can beat OTs, because Barwin can not. We need to see much more of Marcus Smith to form an opinion, but so far, I’m not feeling great about that part of his game.

      • DetmerWonAHeisman

        I hear you and I understand he’s going to need some time, just this was the first real negative thing I heard about the guy. I just think that since the guy was a first round pick, he should be a little further along than “worst” by now. Also, the Eagles needed immediate help with the pass rush by their own admission, so you don’t think they would take a developmental guy with a first round pick (since we had many holes to fill). The other thing that’s a little concerning is that Billy Davis said early in camp: “”Marcus has shown [he could] do it in college,” Davis said. “That’s one of the biggest things that attracted us to Marcus. The defense he ran at Louisville is very, very similar… Charlie Strong ran very similar to what we asked him to do here. So that was why it made such a nice fit for us.” Just thought that the learning curve wouldn’t be so huge for him if he ran a “very, very similar” defense in college.

        • MagatBrackendale

          Why not? The learning curve has apparently been pretty huge for Matthews too.

          • DetmerWonAHeisman

            Yeah……Matthews………

        • Rellihcs

          So the second preseason game rookie year makes a draft pick? Huh? I’m excited for the season too, and to see how our draft picks yet, but a little perspective is in order here I think…

          • DetmerWonAHeisman

            The perspective is that he has played over 100 preseason snaps and he is graded out as the WORST in the league….that doesn’t give you any pause for concern, Homer?

          • Rellihcs

            Nope.

          • Anebriated

            I for one would like to see the grading scale you are judging him by.

          • Tom w

            No it doesn’t idiot. Same idiots like you hates the Sanchez signing and gave up on foles after the Dallas game. Just relax and realize the sky isn’t falling

    • Jeff Asay

      He’s a rookie. We shouldn’t expect much until second half of the season at the earliest. I’m not pleased at performance, but we have reserve grading the kid a bust or the worst linebacker on the field until next season. Not many instant impacts at any position chosen late first round.

      Yeah, some position translate, like RB. We need him to do well, but if we get down on him early, he may never relax enough to perform.

      • https://twitter.com/richcolton RichC, brings duck to cockfigh

        if our getting down on him has any impact on the way he plays, then he’s in the wrong city.

      • anon

        why not? if he can’t produce right away why take him in the first?

        • Rellihcs

          Wait, you really think you draft a guy in the first round to get immediate impact? You don’t draft a guy for what he’ll do that first season. That’s just silly. By that standard Adam Rogers has always been a huge bust. Same for every tight end ever in the history of the game. It also means that the majority of first round picks in history are busts, which would in itself proove that theory to be misguided…

        • Tom w

          Because you don’t draft pkayers for how they play in year one but how you expect there career to be in yrs 2-5.

    • paul from nc

      It’s very telling that a head coach would not try to spin the play of his 1st round pick. Most thought that he was a stretch, but could it be that he’s really worse than we thought? If the PFF grade is correct, that’s just sad, for a 1st rounder. There were a lot of lower picks, and 2ns & 3rd stringers playing 3-4 OL this week.

      • MagatBrackendale

        There might be a lot of talk about first-round picks after the Monday night game, too. How about taking the Eagles picks, whatever the round, in league context..

        • paul from nc

          I thought that’s what I did. PFF rated him the worst regardless of all in the entire league, Everybody, regardless when or even if they were drafted. The worst of all 3-4 OLB’s.
          Him being a 1st rounder, just makes it worse.

    • Kev_H

      I don’t think Chip is a coddler and that is something I am happy about. Coaches need to throw down the gauntlet and keep guys on task, pressing forward.

  • Glenn

    I really like Sanchez as the backup. He provides great insurance for Foles. Don’t see a trade happening. Remember, Sanchez did not exactly have great coaching in New York with Rex Ryan, Schottenheimer, et al. A new offense installed every year. Maybe Sanchez is perfect for this system and coaching staff.

    • John E. Zang

      Yeah unless someone offers a young talent at a position of need or a first rounder I don’t see it.

    • EagleDuck

      So far I’m totally eating crow over the Sanchez thing. He’s been darn good and I’m now glad he’s on the roster!
      Still, its Preseason…

  • Jeff Asay

    Sanchez has looked good, but we don’t know anything until he’s thrust into the bright lights in November.

    • John E. Zang

      Agreed. I always thought he was overrated and drafted too highly but he’s still talented and was put in a bad situation in New York. Rex is the last guy you want to work for if you’re an offensive player. Apple doesn’t fall too far from the tree. Recall Buddy’s offense? Me neither.

      • Kev_H

        You are 100% right. I spent some time at Sanchez’ first training camp and have several colleagues and friends who were there everyday. He was impressive in every way- skills, execution, attitude, work ethic, athleticism, leadership. As far as NFL raw material goes, you could hardly ask for more, but there wasn’t much useful veteran guidance. Brian Schottenheimer was the coordinator and Kellen Clemens the “veteran” QB presence.

        Sanchez was smart to come to Philly and he should be able to get his career on track.

    • Kev_H

      Check his career and game logs. He’s been playing awhile.

  • paul from nc

    There is no way you can trade Sanchez right now unless you get a fantastic deal that includes a decent backup QB. And that won’t happen. I wasn’t that impressed when we picked him up, but he has shown to be a decent backup. If he’s gone, we’re left with Barkley and Kinney. Ouch!

  • brza

    I might have missed this somewhere but has Kelly or Davis commented at all about why Travis long played ahead of Graham? are they just trying to see how long looks against starters since theykinda know what they’ve got with Graham? Kelly complimented Long in his presser but I just didn’t see it. The guy wasn’t able to hold up at the PoA in the run game and seemed non-existent in pass game.
    I don’t get it. they complain about the lack of a pass rush but their 2 best rushers ride the bench. I was encouraged by the long look Curry got though. Hopefully they’ll utilize him better this season.

    • Iskar36

      Some one said (maybe Davis or possibly Graham himself) that he felt tightness in his back during the first half. After half, he was better so he got in at that point. So, if that back story is true, he wasn’t demoted or anything like that, just held out due to minor injury which he recovered from.

      • brza

        Oh, ok. That makes more sense than a demotion. Thanks for the info.

        • MagatBrackendale

          A “demotion”? In preseason, when the coaches are trying to evaluate nearly everybody on the roster?

    • Rockedupeaglesfan

      I believe Graham was limited with a back spasm.

      • Anebriated

        If this were true he would not have been playing on ST and would not have played the second half.

    • Anebriated

      I see what the other people have said but what I heard was that the coaching staff wanted to get a look at Long against better competition. They know what Graham is and is not already but they are getting to a point where they have to start making tough decisions. It was time to see what guys who are truely question marks going past the first cuts were able to do against better competition.

  • Adam

    No reason this trade will happen because Chip won’t get the value for Sanchez that would be worth having Barkley as a backup.

    • Amar, CB who bought in

      He knows, if Sanchez plays well, he can’t keep him beyond 2015 at backup salary.

  • Bullwinkle

    Barkley looked good. His interception was a well thrown ball that hit the receiver in stride. The INT is on the receiver. Both Sanchez and Barkley looked better in both games than I expected them to. They are making good quick decisions and throwing with accuracy. Of course, Sanchez has been the better of the 2 and almost perfect.

  • SoCalEaglesFan

    Signing Sanchez turned out to be a wise move. Perhaps it’s unfair to judge Barkley’s play considering he’s aligned with the bottom of the roster, but he’s playing against other bottom of the roster players and he just doesn’t look like a legit NFL QB to me.

    We’re going to need the Sanchize before 2014 ends. He’s not going to Canton but be glad we have him. Backup QB’s don’t get much better.

    • Curly Q

      Only using the preseason as a barometer, Sanchez looks a lot better than Eli MAnning….. I know it’s not saying much but some people call Eli elite…

      • OddBall

        A true Phil-idiot comment. The rest of league has seen Sanchez enough when it counts to be swayed by 2 preseason games.

        • Anebriated

          Actually this is a true Phil-idiot comment here. I am far from a Sanchez fan but what exactly was he working with in NJ? He has had a horrible GM running that organization who failed to put any sort of offensive talent around him(santanio holmes lol) and a head coach who cared more about the defense than he did what his offense was doing. Also he just had a torn labrum surgery which takes at least a year to recover from during which time they drafted Geno Smith and signed Vick. Im not trying to say that Dirty will be the second coming of Nick Foles but lets be honest about the situation he came from.

  • JofreyRice

    We haven’t heard much about it, but I wonder if there is some conflict between Cox & the staff? They seem to go out of their way to pay compliments to Thornton, but are always kind of lukewarm on Cox. He was really sandbagging it against the Pats. It seems like you have to accept some of that with big guys, but I felt like what he was doing was egregious. I mean, he hasn’t “arrived” enough to take the preseason off, IMO, and he looks a little sloppier in the torso this year; maybe that’s just him filling out his frame.

    Does he see his time in this system as a stepping stone to bigger and better things, namely a one gap, attacking front? I know he was supposed to be versatile, but this guy is a passrusher, not a space eater. Had spin and swim moves as a 3 technique DT in his Junior year. I thought he could be a really special DT; multi-probowls. He may have the requisite size/strength/length to play 4 or 5 tech DE, but if he doesn’t want to do it, that’s going to be a major roadblock.

    • Dan

      Very simple. They compliment Thornton more because he’s a better 2-gap DE. Cox is a great talent and actually played pretty well last year (in terms of hurries not sacks), but Thornton has turned into a beast against the run. Just hope he learns how to get after the passer.

    • https://twitter.com/richcolton RichC, brings duck to cockfigh

      Cox is a guy a lot of us were counting on becoming a dominant lineman this season. It sucks if you’re right about the reasons JR, but we can’t argue the observations. He’s been invisible so far.

      ***Edit – here’s what Chip said about Cox: “Fletch has been steady. Fletch has been really productive for us when he’s been in there in terms of what we’re asking him to do.”

      So maybe it is just scheme? DE in a 3-4 isn’t a place to get noticed.

    • Jerry Pomroy

      Really, we keep hearing that the pass rush sucks. But could our short answer be a change in scheme to a 1-gap front? I personally feel that we’re limiting ourselves with the 2-gap scheme. Think about Cox, Curry, Allen shooting gaps and not protecting them. Think about how that opens things up for the OLBs when your getting a push up the middle & forcing QBs/RBs right into the OLBs. I get that Chip likes a 2-gap 3-4 b/c that’s the way to stop the run & best defend against a Chip Kelly offense. But it requires superb OLBs that don’t exactly grow on trees.

      • JofreyRice

        Totally agree with you, Jer. Vinny Curry could be a Ray McDonald type LE, put Cox at RE in the Justin Smith role, and have Thornton on the nose. I think playing Cole/Cox off of each other on stunts and twists could still be productive for a year or two. Not as productive as Aldon/Justin in San Fran was, but much better than what we’re seeing now. San Fran has done pretty damn well stoppnig the run with their 1 gap attacking 3-4.

        But I don’t think it’s going to happen. Guys like Hart & Bair are more what the staff is looking for, it seems.

        • Token

          Its a no brainer. But they wont do it.

    • Token

      Cox will likely be one of a few young players to leave when they get a chance. Why should he play completely out of position his whole career. It would cost him money.

      • JofreyRice

        The money issue could be very real. Think about what “gold standard” 2 gap 3-4 DEs make: Tyson Jackson got, 5 years, 25 mil from the Falcons. Mike Devito got 3yrs/12M from the Chiefs. Compare that to a journeyman “good” DT like Jason Hatcher getting 4yrs/28M, or Melton getting 4yrs/29M–I know that’s Dallas, but still.

        I really felt that Fletcher Cox’s athletic ability could have put him in that upper stratosphere of 3Tech “under” tackles alongside Suh, McCoy, and Atkins, which would have meant even more $$$. He’s not going to get that by half-assing it as a 3-4 2 gapper, but maybe he plans to bet on himself by picking a destination he’s likely to succeed in, and signing short term deal after he leaves the Eagles.

        • Token

          I still have faith in Cox being a really good player. I just dont think it happens here in this scheme.

          With all the talk of building a scheme around the talent you have etc blah blah… They have really come up with the one scheme that basically neuters almost all of the D talent they had. In addition to that, they have done next to nothing to make the defense better or quicken the transition.

          I looked at Cox as one of their few talents who could probably start on any team in the league. Maybe he just wont pan out. But I think he could become really good in a 4-3. And I think he knows this scheme isnt for him. He probably has already had talks with his agent about it.

          Ive said I think they are looking to be in a position where guys like Boykin and Cox opt to leave. That would be awful the Eagles part. The idea is to draft great young talent and keep it. The Eagles rarely get the first part right. Then the few times they do they may be looking at losing those guys because the coach is hell bent on playing a certain scheme even tho he has spent 5% of his coaching life caring about the defensive side of the ball up to the point he got this job.

  • 370HSSV 0773H

    Maybe Miami would be interested in Sanchez? Hmm, I wonder if they have anybody we would want? LOL.

  • Jerry Pomroy

    I dunno, I’d be hard pressed to deal away Sanchez. Quite frankly we still don’t know if Foles is the “real deal” & a guy like Sanchez could prove a wise investment if Foles falters. Not saying that Foles is a bum or anything. But just the realist in me that keeps me on my toes & isn’t quite ready to hitch my cart with him until I can see a follow up performance.

  • Tom w

    Hilarious same clowns that buried the Sanchez signing and were crapping their pants two weeks ago about our qb situation now are scared to trade him away. Just admit you no nothing about football compared to the coaching staff and shut your mouth

    • Jerry Pomroy

      I certainly never poo-pooed the signing of Sanchez. Just poked fun at the nickname quite a few times. I’ll take a guy that had some success in this league and didn’t get a fair shake without much support in developing him from his previous organization or giving him some targets to throw to. I was more interested in signing him than the prospect of a Josh Freeman and maybe even a Pryor. One being a bit of a head case & the other a project to make into a capable QB. Of those three, I’d much rather have Sanchez for short term return on investment.