Eagles Wake-Up Call: Belichick On Kelly, Foles

NFL: Preseason-New England Patriots at Washington Redskins

FOXBORO, Mass. Bill Belichick said he didn’t study the Eagles’ offense last year. He had no reason to since they weren’t on the Patriots’ schedule.

But he clearly took notice of what his old pal Chip Kelly was able to accomplish – specifically offensively – in his first season as an NFL head coach.




"No, I think Chip is a good coach, does a good job," Belichick said, when asked if he was surprised that the Eagles were 10-6 and won the NFC East. "They’re a good football team. I think that the play that they got at quarterback last year was real good. I’m not sure that anybody totally saw that coming, but that was a big part of it. They had a lot of explosive plays. They’re very dynamic on offense and created more explosive plays than anybody in the league. They do a good job."

One focus this season will be on whether the Eagles can produce those explosive plays without DeSean Jackson. They led the NFL with 80 pass plays of 20+ yards in 2013. Jackson accounted for 25 of those, second-most in the league. Belichick, though, seemed confident that the offense could continue to do damage downfield.

"I think you have to give Chip a lot of credit for that," Belichick said. "There are a lot of other teams that have good players too. They produce more big plays than anybody else, so I think certainly his scheme has something to do with it. But, of course they have great players. They have a great running back, quarterback had a great year, they had a receiver that had a big year, good tight ends, good offensive line, healthy offensive line. Those guys played virtually every snap.

"There are a lot of things that go into it. I don’t think you can just point to one guy or one play or anything. It was the whole combination of the staff, the players, the execution, play-calling, all the above. Bottom line is though it’s good. That was the bottom line."

Last summer, when the Patriots practiced against the Eagles, Michael Vick and Nick Foles were competing for the starting job. Few know better than Belichick how the fate of a coach is directly connected to the starting quarterback.

Belichick said he liked what he saw out of Foles last summer, but was not expecting him to blow up with a 27 TD/2 INT season.

"The year that Foles had relative to production, touchdowns, interceptions, his overall handling a team was great," Belichick said. "It was outstanding. I don’t know that at that point [when] we were there at training camp, I would have necessarily said that I saw that coming, but you see a good football player. He had a great year."

WHAT YOU MISSED

My Eagles-Patriots practice observations on the Birds' defense stepping up, car trouble and more.

Camp notes from T-Mac, leading with the Jeremy Maclin-Darrelle Revis matchup.

All-22: Coach Flinn kills it again, breaking down Y-Cross, a staple of the Eagles' offense.

McManus catches up with Jaylen Watkins, who provides good insight on what he learned from the opener.

WHAT THEY'RE SAYING

Tommy Lawlor of Iggles Blitz offers his thoughts on Fletcher Cox:

Several of you have asked about Cox and whether he is a disappointing player. He looked very good as a rookie when he was allowed to attack up the field on every play. The scheme changed last year and that affected Cox in a major way. We need to see how he plays this season to have any kind of a real feel for whether he can truly be a player the Eagles should build around.

I love his size and athletic ability. I think you keep working with him as long as you can. Cox has tremendous potential. You don’t see it every down, but that’s okay. Sometimes young linemen take a while to get into a groove. One thing that will help Cox is being in the same scheme two years in a row. If his mind and his body ever get on the same page, Cox will be a regularly disruptive force.

Mike Sielski of the Inquirer on Darren Sproles, Qdoba and more:

When the Eagles left the practice field after a 90-minute walk-through, they formed two lines as they filed into the NovaCare Center, where a local Qdoba had set up a buffet. Sproles fell in with his teammates, scooping rice and beef and white sauce into a cardboard bowl.

By the time Sproles had finished moving through the line, his meal looked like an ad in Martha Stewart Living - his pile of food centered and symmetrical, the sauce covering it just so, not a drop to be found on the lip of the bowl. It was immaculate. It was perfect. It was what Sproles is used to.

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  • anon

    I find I enjoy praise the most when it comes from tough critics

    • JosephR2225

      I enjoy it when it’s based on how one assembles a plate of Mexican food.

  • Tikkit, draft crapshoot

    Belichick was gushing praised because The Pope Beautificus Eternal JMatt the First was close to him. He became overwhelmed and began to look at the world through an entirely new lens, the lens of Mattholocism.

    • NickS, Combine Warrior

      You better trademark Mattolocism real quick.

  • GreenBleedin

    Sheil, if you get the chance, how about asking Belichick to compare Brady and Foles at similar points in their career. The stats are overwhelmingly in Foles favor but I would certainly be interested in his thoughts on the overall capability comparison.
    They are so alike in size and style that I would almost bet he would take Foles in a heartbeat.

    • JosephR2225

      I have heard that Brady has Nick Foles posters all over his bedroom and that when Foles takes his reps in practice, Brady stands off to the side with a pen and paper scribbling notes furiously. Hopefully that answers your question.

      • Andy Six Score and Four

        Hmmm, Tom might be smarter than I thought.

    • cheapmeat.mariota.crackwh0re

      Were you one of the dude’s yelling, ‘I love you Tom!’ or something?

      Let FOles be FOles, and lets not get into ridiculously pointless comparisons – especially to a whiny dbag

      • GreenBleedin

        Well, aren’t we the whiny one today. I find the comparison interesting because there are so many similarities between Brady and Foles. A lot of people are still of the opinion that Foles won’t be successful because he isn’t “mobile”. I’m sure many said that about Brady as well. I see a lot of the same qualities in both of them. Foles’ stats last year blow away anything Brady ever did early in his career so I thing an assessment of abilities, strengths and weaknesses at similar points in their careers would be interesting.

        • cheapmeat.mariota.crackwh0re

          Its just my disdain for Brady shining through

    • NickS, Combine Warrior

      I think the key difference at this stages of their careers is that we knew by year 3 that Tom had some ice running through his veins. Not necessarily best 4th quarter QB ever kind of ice, but we knew he had some. We haven’t really seen that yet from Foles at this point.

      • GreenBleedin

        Good point. Clearly we need to see consistency from Nick as well.

      • cliff h-MOAR white goons

        the difference a FG makes. Henery, KO unit, CW’s horsecollar and NO running it right up eag’s giggy doesnt happen, Nicky-ice has a 4th quarter comback in 1st playoff game. if there’s one thing i’ll give Foles it is ice in his veins. benced for Vick, getting knockout out, left for dead after ‘allas, only to play the way he did. i question if he has the arm talent, between the ears i’m not worried about.

        • aub32

          That’s not exactly fair. You make it seem like the loss was solely based on the mistakes of others. Foles had a poor first half and didn’t get going until one of the Saints DBs got knocked out of the game. Had he played better in the 1st half and put up more points, then the Saints would not have been able to take their time rushing the ball. I agree with Nick. We have yet to see if Foles can be consistent, especially in big games.

          • NickS, Combine Warrior

            I’m talking 4th quarter, and agree to an extent with what Cliff’s saying. He did leave that game with a lead in the 4th. EVERY QB has a bad quarter or half in some big games. Every one of them. Even Tom, Peyton, and Drew. They show up in the 4th quarter, though, and in that playoff game, Foles showed up. I do want to see it more often, though. Unless we’re just blowing teams out and it’s impossible.

            EDIT: Barnwell’s article on Grantland talking about Andrew Luck has a chart of QBs and their W/L in games decided by 1TD or less. Tom’s is just stupid.

          • aub32

            Was it that he showed up or that the concussed DB left a gaping hole in the secondary? I think back to 2010 when our team was playing great, but Dimitri Patterson couldn’t cover anyone and was the main reason Rodgers went up and down the field.

          • NickS, Combine Warrior

            Still gotta make the throws and take advantage of a situation. The greats find the weakness and exploit it as much as possible. Are you really going to fault him, or any other QB for that matter, for doing their job properly?

          • aub32

            Absolutely not. I do not fault Foles for that. That’s what every QB should do. I won’t ignore that’s what happened though. That’s how people end up having false hope when they just choose to ignore what actually happened.

          • NickS, Combine Warrior

            Or it’s a symbol of a good QB therefore a good reason to have hope. Your glass is obviously half empty.

          • Andy Six Score and Four

            It sure wasn’t half empty when somebody else was quarterback.

          • aub32

            This again? Really? People do have the ability to be fans and objective.

          • Andy Six Score and Four

            Yes, some do. And you sure do believe that you’re one of them.

            EDIT: Hate to bail out in the middle of a conversation, but it’s back to vacation for me… poor me. :) Have a nice day.

          • aub32

            Who said I don’t have hope? Wanting to see something is not the same as not thinking he can do something.

          • NickS, Combine Warrior

            If you’re hopeful, it would appear that your glass is about a quarter full.

          • aub32

            What is with all this sensitivity. Do I have to include praise about Foles in order to offer criticism. I didn’t say the guy couldn’t throw. I didn’t say he was a bottom QB. I didn’t say he shouldn’t start. I said I am not sold on him as the franchise guy because of his play in big games. I would have said the same about Matt Ryan a few years back. I say the same about Dalton now. Foles has one hell of a year. It was something to behold, but we have all seen QBs have one good to great year and then regress. Or has that never happened?

          • NickS, Combine Warrior

            You don’t have to do anything you don’t want to do. We’ll just agree to disagree on play in the big games, notably in the 4th quarter which is what this discussion originally centered around. You want to nitpick plays. Be my guest. Our franchise QB left the field with the lead in 2 of the 3 big games you noted. I’ll apologize for him for not going 24-28 for 350yds and 5 TDs. He’s sorry.

          • aub32

            I still don’t get how I am nitpicking plays. I pointed to 3 games not 3 plays. One drive after playing a bad game does not make a player clutch in my opinion. People make so much over the last drive of a game being clutch. Foles could have been clutch in the first half and been up by 2 scores. Then he wouldn’t need to have a drive in the 4th.

          • paul from nc

            I agree with your point and have been saying the same thing. There were 2 or 3 scores left on the field in the 1st half vs the Saints. The Foles supporters ignore that and focus on fact that he was ahead near the end. Just a decent 1st half, and the last drive is meaningless.

            Until he can consistently beat winning teams, I’m withholding the accolades. I’m not a hater. I hope he does turn into a franchise, HOF QB; but he’s not there now.

          • aub32

            The Foles bandwagon have been the same since last year. Either you hail Foles as the next Brady or you are a pessimist who roots against the team. I heard some of the same things about Kolb, granted Kolb did not show nearly as much as Foles. So why not wait, see, and be hopeful. There’s no need to ignore his flaws.

          • NickS, Combine Warrior

            No one is ignoring them. You’re over-emphasizing them to the point that you can’t see past them. He’s got the tools to be great and doesn’t fold at the end of games. That’s all. He’s shown up in the fourth quarter of big games. And he’s got room to grow. I’m amped about my franchise QB and more than happy to stick through some growing pains.

          • aub32

            I pointed them out when they were relevant. Even last year I never said Foles could not be a franchise QB. I have pointed out what I think he does well and where I think he struggles. This end of game thing is so overblown. Making one drive at the end of the game does not mean he played well in a big game. Playing well in the entire game so he doesn’t need a last second score means more. Unlike you I am not going to ignore the first 2 and 1/2 quarters of the game just because he had a good drive at the end. I acknowledge he had a good drive. That’s promising, but had he played well from the beginning then there would be no question if the game was too big for him. As of now, I am unsure because he started out flat but finished well.

          • NickS, Combine Warrior

            It’s not ignored. There’s room for growth. That’s been admitted. But he’s talking as if the kid doesn’t show up in the fourth quarter and it’s not accurate. That’s the point. He’s not Brady, Manning, or Brees, but he has the tools to grow into that level of QB in time. And technically he is a HOF QB. You can find his jersey next to Manning’s.

          • paul from nc

            No, technically you’re not in the HOF unless you’re voted in and enshrined. Many players have shoes, jerseys, etc in the hall, but they are not “in” it.

          • NickS, Combine Warrior

            Should have put a smiley at the end so you picked up on the light-hearted humor.

          • paul from nc

            Sorry I missed that

          • NickS, Combine Warrior

            Easy to say that two scores in the first half means we win. There’a s little butterfly effect there. If we score, maybe Brees goes off, maybe he doesn’t. Saying had he done this that or the other still renders an effect on other components of the game that we can never sit here and say would/wouldn’t have happened. Fact of the matter is, given the situation they were in, he did what he needed to do. I don’t get why it’s so hard to give credit where it’s due, there. I want to see more growth as much as the next person, but he’s our franchise QB in my opinion already, and I expect to be proven right next offseason when Lurie is cutting a check.

          • aub32

            10 games is not enough for me to label someone as a franchise QB, especially when he did not beat a single playoff team. (GB not a playoff team w/o Rodgers) He played poorly in the one playoff game he had. One drive at the end does not make up for his poor 1st half. You are right that we cannot say we would have won. However, I can say he left more than a couple plays on the field, and that did not help us. Why anoint someone a franchise QB so early? I am glad you are not running the team. Cutting this guy a check before he’s even beaten a top 10 team seems silly. That’s just my opinion.

          • NickS, Combine Warrior

            I’m glad you’re not because we would have Vick in as soon as he was “healthy.” And he didn’t play poorly, you just refuse to look past the first half.

          • aub32

            Thanks. You just confirmed that you have the inability to be objective and let things go. Not once did I mention Vick. Not once did I say Foles shouldn’t be our starter. I said the exact opposite. Let me be very clear. My opinion on Foles has nothing to do with Vick, DeSean, McNabb, Trent Cole, Boykin, or any other Eagle past or present that I am a fan of. Now I get why we have been going back and forth. You aren’t even reading what I am saying. You’re making up things that you think I said or assume that’s what I really mean and are making points against that. I look forward to an exchange with you when you get back to reading and discussing my posts and not just making things up.

            EDIT:

            I acknowledged what Foles did in the 4th quarter. Read my post, not just the last sentence. 2 1/2 quarters of bad play plus 1 1/2 quarters of good play does not equal a good game.

          • NickS, Combine Warrior

            If that’s what you got out of the jab you missed the entire convo. I said on a few occasions that the discussion was revolving around the 4th quarter play in big moments. And he shows up. You’ve been trying to refute any credit by bringing up the first 2.5 quarters of one game, individual plays, or other games that YOU feel to be important to negate it despite any of that having nothing to do with my point. I’m completely objective and moved on from your Vick bias. I simply took a jab since you felt a cheap shot saying “I’m glad you’re not running the team. Cutting this guy a check before he’s even beaten a top 10 team seems sill…” was necessary and productive. As I think you know, I’m well aware that he can’t get a contract until AFTER this season, thus, I took that as a silly cheap shot. You just wasted a lot of words proving and/confirming absolutely nothing.

            EDIT: By now it’s established that I fully expect him to get an extension. If he kills it, he’ll get long term. I think if he plays average that he’ll get a short one. Only way he’s not the QB going forward is if at some point Sanchez has to take the reigns which means we’re able to draft one of the two studs next year. It will be at that point that I eat all of these words and hang my head in shame.

          • Andy Six Score and Four

            choose to ignore what actually happened.

            Isn’t that exactly what you do when you say Nick hasn’t done anything yet? Or when Nick puts up big numbers and you say he didn’t look that impressive? “Sure he had another game with a 100 rating in real life, but even though that actually happened, he only played ok”.

            You’ve fallen back on focusing on the process instead of the results uncountable times when refusing to give Nick credit. But now NickS1 gives credit to Foles based on the process instead of the results, you want to point to the results.

          • jpate

            Isn’t pointing out a concussed DB as reason for success a determent to Desean and not foles since that DB was primarily on Desean?

          • aub32

            No. DeSean was open on more than one occasion prior to the DB getting injured. Foles missed him and other open targets in the first half. I’ve had this discussion before. Please feel free to google some all 22 pics of that game, and you will see for yourself.

          • cliff h-MOAR white goons

            wasnt meant to be fair, when is all this ‘ice’ clutch’ bs ever fair. if Eags pull game out, story is rewritten. just the way it goes. so other qbs can struggle, come up big at end, they are clutch, but Foles does it, jury still out. say your take is equally unfair in opposite direction. so basically rookie qb struggles in 1st half of 1st playoff game, shocker.
            .
            think 99% of eagles fans think jury is still out on Foles.

          • aub32

            He was not a rookie. He also came up small the week prior. We won the game, but it should never have been that close. The argument could easily be made that we lose that game if Romo plays.

            Which QBs are you referring? Eli is called clutch because he’s won 2 SBs. He barely got credit after his first one. What QB is being touted as clutch that you disagree with. All the QBs that I would consider clutch have performed on the biggest of stages on numerous occasions. I can’t give Foles credit for coming out flat in a playoff game then picking on a couple of 2nd string DBs.

          • Andy Six Score and Four

            I can’t give Foles credit

            Yes, we know.

          • aub32

            Sorry I’m not the eternal optimist. I have given plenty of credit to Foles for things he’s done. What’s wrong with waiting until he’s done something before giving him credit?

          • NickS, Combine Warrior

            Going 7-1 down the stretch to get us into the playoffs isn’t doing anything? Maybe we should agree on a definition first and then discuss. Might make this a little easier on all of us.

          • aub32

            I didn’t say he didn’t do anything. This discussion is directly related to Foles’ ability to consistently show up in big games. The 3 biggest games Foles played in were DAL 1, DAL 2, and NO. All three performances were underwhelming. I’d be a fool not to acknowledge Foles had an awesome year. He’s a good football player. However, there are plenty of good football players that aren’t franchise QBs.

          • NickS, Combine Warrior

            “What’s wrong with waiting until he’s done something before giving him credit?”
            That’s saying he’s done nothing.

            I could also make the case the it’s possible he was concussed early in the DAL1 game but played longer than he should have, affecting his ability to see the field. He won DAL2 and left the field in the NO with a lead, which clearly means nothing to you despite the discussion centering around big moments. He can’t play D, too.

            EDIT: Foles was 2-1 in games decided by 1TD or less last year, the L being the NO game, where he left the field with a lead.

          • aub32

            What’s the conversation about? Come on. Use some context.

          • NickS, Combine Warrior

            See Andy’s post below or my reply above.

          • aub32

            Which one?

          • NickS, Combine Warrior

            At this point just pick. This drug out way longer than expected.

          • Andy Six Score and Four

            Oakland was just as big as Dal 1 and Dal 2.

          • aub32

            Not in my opinion. Oakland sucked. There was very little pressure. Vick was injured and Barkley crapped the bed, twice. Foles wasn’t getting benched in that game, and he’s was guaranteed to start for at least the next two weeks.

          • Andy Six Score and Four

            So what if Oakland sucked. He was coming off the worst game of his career. Another bad performance like that and he could lose the confidence of his team and coaches permanently. A 3rd round pick might never get another chance. His career was hanging in the balance. Chance to be a starter, career backup, potentially out of the league in a couple years. That’s a lot bigger than just 1 game. That’s the rest of his life that was going to be affected by how he played that game.

          • aub32

            So you ignored how I pointed out that was not going to be his last chance. Vick was injured for at least another 3 weeks. Foles’ only competition was Barkley. Barkley looked terrible in both outings. He wasn’t going to start over Foles. Keep in mind Vick was on his way out of Philly regardless. Foles showed some ability. He wasn’t getting booted off this team anytime soon. We can disagree on the amount of pressure in that game. That’s fine. Maybe you at least get why I did not think there was pressure.

          • http://www.corcommunity.com/ Kelce’s Beard

            I’d say CHI and the 2nd WASH game too, at the time we played them

          • aub32

            The CHI meant absolutely nothing. We weren’t even playing for a higher seed at that point. How was that a big game? In fact the announcer even said at one point how he couldn’t believe how well the Eagles were doing in a game that meant nothing compared to the Bears who had everything to play for. There probably wasn’t a game all season with less pressure than the Bears game.

          • http://www.corcommunity.com/ Kelce’s Beard

            And yet, against a good team with everything to play for, Foles shined. But he played well, which makes it moot and worthless to you. Whatever aub. I really care less when you can possibly say any nfl game is just a wash

          • aub32

            Did you read any of the previous posts? You are coming in rather late. So you may not know what I am arguing. The point is how Foles performs in the biggest games with the most pressure. I said that both DAL games and the NO game were the 3 biggest. Andy made a point about Oakland. We disagree, but I can see his point. The CHI meant nothing to us. So it does not in any way fit with the games I mentioned. Did he play well? He played awesome. That’s not the point. There was no pressure in the game, and therefore does not fit. Hopefully that cleared some things up for you.

          • Explorer51

            Hmmm…your favorite WR #s in the “three biggest games” last year: 3/21; 3/28; 3/53; 0 TDs.

            That has to be all Foles fault too.

          • anon

            CK’s plays scheme to get certain people open and exploit certain matchups based on what he’s seen on tape. If Djax is going against a great corner why force that ball (leads to TOs, lost drives, etc.)? He only had 2 picks for a reason.

            If the TEs are running wide open across the middle of the field who you going to pass to?

          • aub32

            What? Do yourself a favor and think about what you said. Take DeSean out of it. If a QB plays poorly, then the numbers for a WR will not be that good. If Matthew Stafford has a bad game, I do not expect CJ to have a 7-125-3 stat line. You and others are always trying to make this about other players whenever anyone is critical about Foles. I have an opinion about DeSean. I have an opinion about Foles. The two have nothing to do with one another.

          • Explorer51

            Ha ha…do yourself a favor…make that dozens of favors…and read what you continue to write over and over and over. You measure one player (Foles) by putting him under a microscope and dismiss his successes with references to bad defenses etc and then measure another player (Jackson) by refusing to remove your blindfold and see his weaknesses and faults…including a disappearance in the playoffs regardless of QB.

            You are entitled to your opinions but are quick to dismiss anyone who doesn’t share them. You don’t have to reply to this because I already know what you will say.

          • paul from nc

            I guess you’re referring to ‘Clutch”
            My definition would be the ability to carry a team when things are going badly, beating winning teams and doing it consistently over time.

          • NickS, Combine Warrior

            I wasn’t necessarily talking about clutch, just showing up in the 4th. A point that seems to have escaped.

          • paul from nc

            Difference??????
            Are you saying if someone plays poorly for 3 quarters, then plays well in the 4th, that’s ok with you? Win or lose?

            I might be able to buy it shows something with a win, but playing 1 quarter well, in a loss doesn’t show me anything whether it’s the 1st or 4th.

          • NickS, Combine Warrior

            No, b/c if a QB plays like crap for 3 quarters and they’re in the game it’s likely courtesy of the D. I guess more of just not shying away from the moment, or, not completely crapping the bed when needed. Basically not costing you the game when you have a chance to win. Which he didn’t against NO or DAL2, however there’s not really a big sample size of these moments, which I’ve said. I guess in the end it’s really splitting hairs. Aub’s just hammering away at the first half and specific plays of NO, which was irrelevant to the 4th quarter discussion. And even still, he went 23/33. It’s easy to just look at those 10 missed, and even 2 or 3 completions, and say he screwed the play up. Any a-hole can take that position. Hell it’s obvious if there’s 10 incompletions that he’s likely at fault. There’s things he can improve on. No question.

          • Andy Six Score and Four

            What’s wrong with waiting until he’s done something

            And this makes my point. Thanks.

          • aub32

            The something I am referring to is playing well in big games. I guess I wasn’t clear on that. He’s done plenty to get credit for. My comments have been in response to the post about Foles being consistent in big games.

          • paul from nc

            How about until he wins at least one playoff game?
            It could be 3-0 or 45-42, I don’t care

          • NickS, Combine Warrior

            Let’s be real. If it’s a 3-0 win it won’t be enough.

          • NickS, Combine Warrior

            A 2nd string DB and your boy still only had 40 yards n a PI. :)

          • aub32

            “My boy” can’t throw the ball to himself. Also, the PI would have been a TD if Foles wasn’t so late with the ball.

          • NickS, Combine Warrior

            And you were baited. You can’t say no to defending him.

          • aub32

            It has nothing to do with him. Foles held onto the ball too long and missed chances to score. You brought up a DJax play. So I pointed out where Foles made the mistake. Does it make you happy for me to point out he also missed an open Ertz earlier in the game?

          • NickS, Combine Warrior

            You also have no idea what the reads were. So making blanket statements that he missed your boy or Ertz mean little given the little info we have on the play/read design. You’re reaching. No one is saying Foles didn’t leave plays on the field. What we are saying, though, is that despite an underwhelming 1st half, he came out and crushed the second half and left the field with a lead. Can you dispute that? Did it not happen? Or are you going to continue to pick individual plays where you were not satisfied as reason to continue to be skeptical of him?

          • aub32

            First off, you started picking individual plays, not me. I pointed at the entire first half, and then I also cited two other games DAL 1 and DAL 2. If you want to argue that other games meant just as much or more, then feel free. We will have to disagree there. I have not disputed any facts. I never said he didn’t leave the field with a lead. The post that started this all pointed to individual plays (which somehow you ignored when someone else did it) that were on other people and excluded Foles. I pointed out that Foles has a large share of blame for the loss and gave my reasons why.

          • NickS, Combine Warrior

            We clearly read this whole thing way differently. I didn’t touch individual plays. Believe Cliff noted them, to which you disagreed. You called out Foles having the benefit of a DB out with concussion, not throwing the ball to your boy (because I admittedly threw a statement out to bait you with a wink face), Ertz, and other missed first half plays. I’m talking 4th quarter. He showed he has some ice in the veins. I want to see more of it. But to say he hasn’t shown up in big games when in the DAL2 we won and NO he left field w/ lead, as well as having a bounceback game, is inaccurate,. I’ll HAPPILY root on as Foles grows and shows more of it.

          • cliff h-MOAR white goons

            believing/seeing/wanting there to be signs does not equal being sold. we see some things that if they continue might make FOles into something. all we can use is past examples. AUB sees whatever he sees.

          • aub32

            I have explained my position. Feel free to disagree. DAL had a historically bad defense, and we barely beat Kyle Orton. I have said many times that context matters. You give Foles more credit for sneaking past a very terrible defense than I do. That’s ok, but try seeing my point before assuming I am down on Foles, glass half empty, or want someone else to be our QB.

          • cliff h-MOAR white goons

            guess you mises ‘basically’ part. you’ve gone 150 rds, you know exactly point i was making. young qb, left field with lead. think how much different SF and Kaep off season would have been in GB’s corner held onto that simple int.
            .
            you are acting like i’m saying Foles in 1st ballot HOF when every post i basically say ‘jury out’ on him. you really are becoming the king of strawman.
            .
            there’s simply no such thing as clutch or ice. it’s whether you are good or bad. know who is clutch, really good players. do you give credit to Brees for picking on Roc? it’s part of the game.

          • aub32

            I was not trying to make it sound like you were in the Foles HOF camp. I was making a point that QBs get the clutch label after pulling things out multiple times. Manning has won a SB and been to 3. Yet he’s seen as not clutch. Ridiculous. So I get your point there. I was just pointing out that a lot of the loss was on Foles. He’s the QB. If this is a debate on whether if the defense holds then he’s viewed as “clutch” by the majority, fine. That’s fair. I still would have said his performance was underwhelming in a big game. We won in DAL the week before. I loved the win. He still underperformed against that defense.

          • NickS, Combine Warrior

            That top 10 D. Yeah. Awful.

          • aub32

            Dallas’ defense was not top 10

          • NickS, Combine Warrior

            I skipped most of it figuring it had already been said and read the last sentence haha. My bad. It was not. They did manage to appear to not be bottom of the barrel both times against us somehow. Maybe Monte did have a thing or two up his sleeve to slow it. Could have looked better, though. Agreed. Good thing our franchise QB still left the field with the lead.

          • cliff h-MOAR white goons

            ‘clutch’ is such a ridiculous ambiguous term. i could spend a day arguing that term alone. it drives me nuts. better players are clutch. plus, it’s such a moving target. Romo isnt, but Eli is? if Eli didnt suck for 3 quarters, maybe he would get 900 opportunities. Romo has terrible defenses, so he has to bring them back 3 or 4 times. he’s really good so he puts himself in many positions were he determines outcome, but not perfect, he makes a mistake, bam, he’s unclutch. funny, as much as i hate ‘Allas, actually like Romo. 99% of his problem is they put too much on his plate. and the contract is a killer.
            .
            most losses are put on qb. Foles isnt a finished product. so to argue over overall performances is futile. he played like a young inexperience raw’ish qb that has a lot of areas to improve. what we are discussing is signs of future qb. fact that his play even got eagles to point ‘Allas game mattered is impressive to me.

          • anon

            It’s hard to say he’s anything after one season — there’s a backup QB on this team that can tell you that.

          • cliff h-MOAR white goons

            yup. positive signs, if you want to see them, sure. enough to be sold, i personally am not there. but dying to see reg-season games. hoping he breaks the bank.

          • anon

            I’d love if his 2nd year was an extension of the first, or even if he just regressed to a SOLID qb that doesn’t give the ball away. All this next Tim Brady / Peyton Manning stuff, i think it’s too early for that. Let him be him and his career will express itself accordingly.

          • aub32

            I couldn’t agree more with what you are saying. One year, especially when he did not start every game, is too small a sample size for me to be sold on any QB. Foles had an excellent year, but like most QBs has areas where he’s struggled. I am as hopeful as any that he will improve. Hopefully he will play well enough in big games that he won’t need a late drive in the 4th quarter to determine if he is “clutch”.

          • paul from nc

            Well then, the other 1% is very active on here.
            I would love Foles to turn into a HOF Qb. But just because his stats were out of this world last year, a lot of people have already enshrined him. How many comparisons have you seen on here to Brady, Manning, even Montana? All without even one full season under his belt.

          • cliff h-MOAR white goons

            nawh, think most are like me, think we have something in Foles, not sure what it is, excited to see more. but, end up arguing a more extreme point. we end up arguing degrees of similar standpoint.

          • aub32

            I agree. The problem is when any criticism of Foles leads to an excuse festival. It’s like if you say something critical of Foles without prefacing it with “he’s a potential franchise QB” people act as if you insulted Jesu……I mean Jordan Matthews.

          • paul from nc

            Then we agree. I think he may turn out to be a franchise QB, and excited to see if it happens. There are just so many posts saying he is already there. That’s the point I disagree with.

          • bill

            Yep, and if R Wilson had the Eagles D behind him against the Saints, the ‘Hawks would have been blown out of the stadium in the playoffs. The “ice” thing is more about bias confirmation than anything else. If you don’t like Foles for whatever reason, you’ll point to the instances where the team lost and highlight his role, while minimizing the positive things he did; if you love you some Wilson, you’ll point to how his team won and highlight his role. And the reverse applies for each as well. Foles’s game against the Saints really looked a lot like McNabb’s game against the Cardinals in the NFC Championship, except Foles didn’t get any chance to come back at the end. It’s funny, because I remember the people that defended McNabb’s performance in that game, and a lot of them are the same people criticizing Foles’s game (and vice versa, of course). Bias confirmation all the way.
            All the statistical work done on Romo over the last few years has shown me that this “clutch” thing is WAY overblown. Clutch has more to with being able to save your best for the end as opposed to having to be amazing all game long just to keep your team competitive. (And lest we forget, when not cheating, Brady has been far less than clutch in his biggest games against what, on paper, were inferior teams…)

          • cliff h-MOAR white goons

            right, in a team sport like football, circumstances have to be cherry picked as to what one determines as ‘clutch eligible’. Brady wins like 80% of his games because he is great. he’s clutch in 1st quarter.

          • Andy Six Score and Four

            Yup. If you wanted to you could say that 3rd down is clutch. Red Zone is clutch. Unless of course, you don’t like the guy that excels in those situations.

          • OldDuckMcDoc

            Ice-ness and clutch-ocity are indeed two of the BS-iest of the BS-y concepts out there.

            Just look at Brady. If his career plays out in reverse chronological order he spends a decade looking like a flat-track bully who can’t get it done come playoff time. Even the rings he won owed something to Vinatieri making a ridiculous kick, the tuck rule, Carolina deciding it was a good idea to call timeout so he had a full minute to get the Pats into figgy range, Carolina’s kicker missing the field…..

            Honestly, I think the significant majority of players are of similar clutch factor and the disparity you see in records is just Law of Averages + Wyatt Earp Effect.

          • cliff h-MOAR white goons

            right, clutch does not exist, because everyone has a different definition. also, when people determine who is and who isn’t clutch, the circumstances are always cherry picked. what makes one clutch and what doesn’t is arbitrary, we make it up as we go. the bar whether player A or player B is clutch depends on how you feel about said player. everyone (most here assuming) hate Romo (or like making fun of him) and determine he’s not clutch. that is a total Philly fan bias. he won Wash game with a broken back
            .
            the argument that player plays better at end of game than beginner, so he clutch, my question is why? why doesn’t he just play better the whole game? better players are clutch. Brees is more clutch than ROmo, because he is better. ugh, we can get into streaky or hot, but to me that’s a player who has concentration difficulties.
            .
            the best sport to disprove clutch is tennis. when nadal plays Federer, often comes down to 2 or 3 pnts. nadal is the better player, so he plays those 2 or 3 pnts better and wins. he isn’t clutch, he has the ability to concentrate better, confidence that he can repeat what he’s practice at a high level.

          • aub32

            That’s one of the reasons I am not discounting Romo from playing this year. It’s fun to make jokes about him and allas, but the dude is tough and doesn’t get enough credit. He beat SF with broken ribs and a punctured lung.

          • cliff h-MOAR white goons

            sooner or later, age and injuries, especially disc, catch up to everyone. heck, I hope he plays well, so they finish 8-8, and with that horrible defenses and Romo’s age, they go into hauc one more time.
            .
            think by time JJ gets all the other positions up to high enough level to compete with elite teams, Romo will be toast. one thing I like about eagles, good mixture, plenty of growth room.

        • NickS, Combine Warrior

          That’s fair. I’d like to see the 4th quarter thing more, though. To my recollection, which admittedly could be better, there’s not much of a sample size of 4th quarter displays of having ice. Def agree about the playoff game last year.

          • cliff h-MOAR white goons

            yeah, i want to see alot more of the successful things too. heck, week 6 i was drafting Johnny 8-ball, now, i’m just wondering how big of a check Lurie has to scratch. i’m hoping for a big BIG check. more money=more success.

          • NickS, Combine Warrior

            I agree. I’m all in with Foles, though. I think even if he’s an average QB this year he deserves another year at the helm with a small contract extension. He’s average, we’re average, and I don’t see us trading the house to move up 10-12 spots to 1 or 2 to get Mariotta/Winston. Therefore, let him grow another year and see where we’re at. Plus, after this year, we’ll also have a good idea if Chip was right in letting DeSean go or if he learned a lesson in that he may have to deal with some sh*theads.

          • GreenBleedin

            What makes you think he accepts a small contract extension?

          • NickS, Combine Warrior

            Better than playing for 700k.

          • GreenBleedin

            He could choose to roll the dice like Maclin and then we run the risk of losing him.

          • UncleCarm

            We didn’t have a lot of 4th quarter comeback scenarios last year because for that to happen, the defense has to stop somebody. It seemed like we were well ahead, or the other team was scoring on every drive. I’m sure there are holes in these statements, but that is how it felt watching the games.

          • cliff h-MOAR white goons

            just saying, to me there’s more that scoreboard comebacks. Foles was starter for Reid, got beat out by Vick, seen plenty of young qbs get confidence broken for less. even in preseason last year when he threw ints he came back with TDs, coming back from ‘allas disaster was impressive. so far, say Nick dusts himself off pretty well. cant hold it against him things that havent happened.

          • John E. Zang

            He’s a stable person. If there’s one thing I can tell its that. He’s not going to let his success go to his head in any way he has a lot to prove to many people and he knows it.

          • Rambler

            I personally am hoping for no 4th quarter comebacks, simply because they are so far ahead in most games. In reality, I am just expecting the entire team to play better to close out games.

          • NickS, Combine Warrior

            I can get down with that.

          • anon

            The last time the Giants won the SB, they had 14 come from behind victories. I’d much rather have a team that’s used to coming from behind than one that’s front running every game and isn’t used to scrapping (see 2014 broncos).

    • anon

      I can’t imagine bellicheat giving you the kind of answer you want for that question. Why do you need his approval anyway? Just let foles be foles, why put the pressure of being the next Tom Brady on his back?

      • Andy Six Score and Four

        Upvote for the first sentence. But to answer the question in your second sentence, you gotta admit it’d be pretty cool to hear him say stuff like, “I see a lot of similarities in their game, and Foles is just a bit more advanced in seeing the field at this point than Tom was after 16 games. Sky’s really the limit for this kid.” Like you said though, I can’t imagine Bill going there.

    • paul from nc

      He’d probably say, get back to me in 5 years. there’s too small a sample to make silly comparisons to a HOF’er..

  • cliff h-MOAR white goons

    dont worry Belichick, no one saw it coming besides Andy124 and Geagle. heck, i sat thru every snap, and still conflicted over what i saw.

    • NickS, Combine Warrior

      Annndd..?

      • cliff h-MOAR white goons

        sure, you were a homer too ;)

        • NickS, Combine Warrior

          I didn’t argue endlessly with Dutch for nothing!

          • cliff h-MOAR white goons

            dont know how you did it, he was beyond frustrating. even when i agreed with him, ended up arguing. i pictured him looking like Cread from the office. his family should have saved us here and open WordDoc so he could write down his ‘Dutch-thoughts’.

          • NickS, Combine Warrior

            Hahaha love the reference…. It was painful, trust me. And ungodly frustrating. But it got me through some dull times.

          • Andy Six Score and Four

            I got to where I just skipped most of his posts. Usually if I read one it was after I read someone else’s amusing reply and wanted to see what they were replying to.

    • Andy Six Score and Four

      Well, like Belicheck, I didn’t see 27-2, but I saw a good young player. I saw what Bill saw. Now I feel dirty.

  • NickS, Combine Warrior

    Belichick has a-hole resting face.

    • cheapmeat.mariota.crackwh0re
      • Andy

        Nice. That’s the girl from the Verizon wireless $160 a month for 10 gigs of data commercials.

        • cliff h-MOAR white goons

          and the blonde has man-hands

          • lars1701c

            i’ll take her shes hot

  • cliff h-MOAR white goons

    going to be a long year with Maclin. caught long TD, and is now standing on sidelines next to trainers.
    .
    edit…reading more tweets, doesnt sound terrible. standing on sidelines. my guess is he felt something in hammy running deep on wet field.

  • macadood

    it’s too bad Sielski didn’t snap a photo of Sproles’ Qdoba bowl…making me hungry Qdoba buffet

    • peteike

      Chipotle is way better, you east coasters are just getting those chains recently right? I guess the nachos and queso dip are better at qdoba if you like that nastiness but ingredients far better and tortilla at chipotle. I think thats just now opening out east.

      • aub32

        I put moes ahead of both, but Qdoba is above Chipotle

        • peteike

          never had Moes and no way but really neither are as good as non chains. I have lots to choose from out here in CO, spoiled with the mexican food. Worst thing ever though, the rolls and bread are terrible out here. Hard to find a good sandwich because of it.

          • aub32

            I went there earlier this year. There was definitely more Hispanic cuisine than I expected. Green Chilli = overrated

          • peteike

            well, green chili is a bit over hyped. However if you have a chance to eat it a bunch of times and try different options with it it really is amazing. And when its good its tasty but there are a ton of average options out there that wont impress. I make a mean one myself but Im biased of course.

          • aub32

            I had it homemade. So I assume that’s better than what I’d get in a restaurant. It was decent, but just didn’t live up to all I had heard.

          • Max Lightfoot

            No offense man, but it’s green chile, not chili, which is that beanish, meaty muck those Texans ingest for some reason.

            Fresh roasted green chile is quite amazing, but it’s not blazingly hot. For that you have to go to habañero and above. Which I enjoy now and then.

            Green’s more of a smokey hot, but there are green chile varietals which can get pretty dang hot.

          • peteike

            ya I responded to the spelling above, too funny. Oh man I bought a bag of roasted medium last year from a roadside stand and it was too hot. Ridiculous and I can handle some heat but it was almost inedible. Im guessing they jsut mix the hot with the mild but no way. I learned my lesson, I buy mild and can control the heat by adding other peppers if I want.

          • Max Lightfoot

            I hear you.

            They do a mix here. My local beanery, which has lots of roast mutton and lamb ribs specials (I live near the Navajo Rez) mixes half hot and half mild green chile for their green sauce. The Navajo folks like hot chile, and lots of red meat.

            But you can never tell what the chef will do, so sometimes it’s warm, and sometimes it’s hot. This place, called the Country Family Restaurant in Kirtland, NM, goes through 6 TONS of Hatch frozen green chile a year. I actually wrote a small feature article on the place when I was working at our local newsrag.

            Green chile chicken stew is pretty good around here, too. That can get pretty hot as well. But it’s a good sweat – cools you off.

            You should come out here sometime – the landscape is quite amazing, though you can’t get a decent cheesesteak!!

          • Mr. Wu

            Green Chili grows on you over the years…I crave that now

          • aub32

            I’m sure, like all local delicacies, it’s about what you grew up eating.

          • Mr. Wu

            I used to live in Boulder…great mexican….from california style places like Ilegal Petes to authentic Mexican like Efrons….you can’t even find green Chile back here

          • Rockedupeaglesfan

            Baja Fresh is where it’s at. Plus it always makes me think of the Sopranos. When Pauly was going to send some kid out for some Ba-Ja Fresh

  • jpate

    Hear murderleg is really stinking it up. I can’t understand why they would even bring HIM in? If they did because flipp saw him make tackles that would make me question his judgement.

    • cliff h-MOAR white goons

      and Roc C still stinks

    • PaoliBulldog

      Well, I’m happy with every player the Eagles drafted with a pick that could have been used on a kicker, and the veteran UFA crop was thin, so it’s not like HR/CK missed anybody obvious.

      Maybe the Eagles make a move after cutdowns. I posted a link recently about the Fordham P/PK alumnus (Patrick Brown) who is trying out for the Bucs.

  • TNA

    P. Chung had an interception on a Foles pass today off a ball tipped up by JMatt. For the Eagles sake (they save $1M if he makes the Patriots’ roster), I hope he thinks he’s on the Eagles and continues to tackle guys in green jerseys during these pre-season games.

    • jpate

      Seems to me Matthews was just helping Chung make the team so it will save the eagles $1M in Cap. The Pope just doing his thing.

  • JofreyRice

    Wow, we’re now reading descriptions of what they ate for lunch?

    • peteike

      hey I laughed last night when I saw the ticker that said Browns sign Rex Grossman. Thought for sure that guy retired years ago

    • cliff h-MOAR white goons

      could have drafted Johnny foosball, and have endless articles on that. I, for one, prefer and am excited to hear what they had for dinner. chimichanga’s, maybe a chicken burrito

    • Rockedupeaglesfan

      If you’re going to give me stories about lunch, at least tell me what Sexy Rexy Ryan is eating. I bet that’s a good story, a long one too.

  • peteike

    “Jeremy Maclin cut Wednesday’s practice with the Patriots short after he said his left hamstring “grabbed” on him.

    The Eagles wide receiver had just caught a long touchdown pass from Nick Foles during team drills when he walked to the sideline and was visibly upset. He met briefly with trainer Chris Peduzzi and then stood on the sideline for the rest of practice.”

    ugh, he seems to think its no big deal and he’ll be back tomorrow so thats good. Just never know with hamstrings. Wonder if we can expect to get a full season out of this guy.

    • JofreyRice

      a full season of watching him roll around in agony every 5-7 plays, only to return on the next series. He’s like a soccer flopper.

  • Max Lightfoot

    It’s Three-Cheese Queso sauce at Qdoba. Kind of salty, mildly hot. I’m more of an Ancho Chile BBQ guy myself. I also like the mango salsa.

    And then there’s green chile, to which I am addicted, which you can only get in New Mexico. I have a friend in Minnesota who’s buying a 20-pound sack, having it roasted and then shipped.

    I have another friend in Gallup who raises his own crop of Big Jim green chile every year.

    I go to a neighborhood diner here in the Land of Enchantment that has really good, hot green chile sauce for my weekly fix. Yum!

    And no matter what Texans say, it’s chile, not chili.

    • peteike

      ha funny, I spelled it initially Chile down below then actually googled it and most recipes spelled it chili so I second guessed myself. Darn, I was right the first time, thans for the confirmation. It is something that grows on you and nothing like a smothered burrito, or even better breakfast burrito. Im getting hungry

      • Max Lightfoot

        It’s OK, daddio – no big. And you’re right, it is addicting. In fact, I can make my mouth water just thinking about it. Great, now I’m hungry!!! Aaaaargh!

      • John E. Zang

        Never understood “breakfast” burritos fully. Yeah it has breakfast ingredients in it but I’d never recommend eating it on your way to work or you may be going in late or holding on for dear life.