Eagles 53-Man Roster Projection

Photo by Jeff Fusco.

Photo by Jeff Fusco.

Chip Kelly would not approve of this exercise.

Asked yesterday about the Eagles’ depth chart, he said: “Seriously, the depth chart, I don’t care. I think [Eagles PR Director] Derek [Boyko] did it. I mean, it’s absolutely nothing. I know we’re going to get questions on it, and I’ll be honest with you, I do not care how that’s listed, added.”




And I fully understand what Kelly means. The fringe spots on the roster are largely determined by preseason performance, so he sees no point in penciling guys in before those games are played.

Of course, Kelly didn't sign up to write for a site that covers the Eagles 24 hours a day, seven days a week. The purpose of this 53-man roster projection is to size up how things look going into tomorrow night. Keeping that in mind, here's what I've got.

Quarterbacks (3): Nick Foles, Mark Sanchez, Matt Barkley.

Sanchez is in the driver's seat to win the backup job, and Barkley has looked better than he did in the spring. At this point, it'd be a surprise if they weren't the three quarterbacks on the roster come Week 1.

Running backs (4): LeSean McCoy, Darren Sproles, Chris Polk, Matthew Tucker.

The top three here are locks, although Polk has been missing practice and needs to show he can stay healthy. Tucker was one of my last guys on the roster. It's no lock that the Eagles keep four running backs, but he appears to have a leg up on undrafted free agents Henry Josey and David Fluellen.

Given McCoy's value and Sproles' experience, I'd expect the backups to get a lot of chances to prove themselves in the preseason.

Wide receivers (6): Jeremy Maclin, Riley Cooper, Jordan Matthews, Josh Huff, Brad Smith, Arrelious Benn.

The top four here are locks, and because of his versatility, I expect Smith to make the team.

If the Eagles keep a sixth wide receiver, it will likely come down to Benn or Jeff Maehl. Benn is back from an ACL injury and has had some nice moments during camp. Maehl is a Kelly favorite and earned a spot last season.

A sleeper like Ifeanyi Momah could emerge with a strong preseason performance.

As Kelly often points out, the final roster spot here will come down to special teams.

Tight ends (3): Brent Celek, Zach Ertz, James Casey.

There's a chance the Eagles could keep a fourth tight end, but I haven't seen one stand out.

Emil Igwenagu made the squad out of camp last year, and undrafted free agent Trey Burton is intriguing, but as of now, I say they stick with three.

Offensive linemen (9): Jason Peters, Evan Mathis, Jason Kelce, Todd Herremans, Allen Barbre, Matt Tobin, David Molk, Dennis Kelly, Andrew Gardner.

Of all the positions, this is the one I'm least confident in with my projections. I left Lane Johnson off because he'll go on the reserve/suspended list after the preseason and won't count against the 53-man.

The starters are set, and Tobin seems to be a good bet to earn a backup spot. Beyond that, spots are up for grabs. I gave Molk the nod over Julian Vandervelde for the backup center job because Vandervelde has been nursing a back injury.

Defensive linemen (6): Fletcher Cox, Bennie Logan, Cedric Thornton, Taylor Hart, Vinny Curry, Beau Allen.

The top five here are locks, and Allen seems to have really impressed the coaching staff so far. Looking forward to seeing him in the preseason.

The Eagles could certainly keep a seventh lineman. Damion Square may be an option, but I don't see a need to keep three nose tackles. Joe Kruger has not done much to distinguish himself at camp, but maybe he'll flash during the games. Again, defensive line is especially difficult to get a handle on in practice.

Outside linebackers (5): Connor Barwin, Trent Cole, Marcus Smith II, Bryan Braman, Travis Long.

I was really on the fence about Brandon Graham. On one hand, there's been pretty much no indication that the coaching staff views him as a valuable piece. On the other hand, for a defense in need of improving its pass-rush, letting Graham go doesn't seem like the smartest move.

Part of the key here will be what Braman and Long show in the preseason. The majority of the snaps at OLB in the regular season will be taken by Barwin, Cole and Smith. If Braman and/or Long show they can play a handful of snaps every game or demonstrate enough competency where they could be relied on in case of injury, I think Graham is gone. He's on the final year of his deal and should head to a 4-3 team where he can rush the passer.

Inside linebackers (4): DeMeco Ryans, Mychal Kendricks, Najee Goode, Emmanuel Acho.

The top three are locks, and Goode figures to see playing time on a rotational basis behind the starters.

Assuming the Eagles keep a fourth inside linebacker, I'll give the nod to Acho. Jason Phillips or Casey Matthews could stake claim to that spot. Jake Knott will start the season on the same suspended list as Lane Johnson.

Cornerbacks (5): Cary Williams, Bradley Fletcher, Brandon Boykin, Nolan Carroll II, Jaylen Watkins.

I don't see this one changing (barring injury). The only potential exception would be if the Eagles want to keep a sixth cornerback and hold on to someone like Roc Carmichael or Curtis Marsh.

Safeties (5): Malcolm Jenkins, Nate Allen, Earl Wolff, Chris Maragos, Ed Reynolds.

McManus and I were talking earlier this week and agreed that Wolff has the widest range of outcomes of anyone on the team. He could make the leap to being a starter with a significant role, or he could end up with no role at all.

The knee situation is worth monitoring in the coming weeks. Kelly's "durability is the best ability" mantra applies to Wolff as much as anyone else on the roster.

Jenkins, Allen and Maragos are all locks. Reynolds has been playing catch-up after missing most of the spring. He could end up on IR before the season like Kruger last year. But he'll have a chance to show what he's picked up during the preseason.

Specialists (3): Jon Dorenbos, Alex Henery, Donnie Jones.

Not much explanation necessary here. These will be the three specialists on the roster.

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  • Andy

    For bonus points, who stays with the Eagles on the practice squad???

    I disagree on Graham. I think he makes the team for one more year to play the Predator role on the second OLB rotation alongside Marcus Smith (the #2 Jack) and provides insurance in case Trent Cole gets hurt.

    • Johnny Domino

      Kruger, Joesy, Burton, Momah, some O-lineman and somebody’s 54th guys.

      • aub32

        Pratt

    • aub32

      I thought I read somewhere that Barwin is learning the predator position this year after learning the jack last season. Could he step in for Cole and Smith II take over the Jack? I just don’t see much need to keep Graham

      • Johnny Domino

        Would like to see Barwin slide to the middle in the dime with Smith II outside.

        • aub32

          I’d keep Kendricks out there. He’d have an easier time keeping up with the 4th/5th WR or RB out in space. I think Curry should play DE opposite Cole in the Dime package.

        • JofreyRice

          I’d like to see a 3-3-5 Nickel with Cole/Thornton/Cox on the DL and Kendricks/Barwin/Smith as the LB. Make coverage the primary responsibility for Kendricks/Barwin in that package, but throw some curveballs by bringing them on blitzes, tactically.

          • cliff h-MOAR white goons

            curry in for thornton, and I really sold!

          • Warhound KnowsHstryWarts&All

            Yeah, but depends on down/distance.

          • cliff h-MOAR white goons

            true, good lord, if we start introducing down and distance into these arguments, talk about an endless rabbit hole-;). cant even imagine the Boykin/more base article.

        • truehaynes

          I love this idea

      • JofreyRice

        Not out of the realm of possibility, but I’d find it weird for at least 2 reasons:

        1) Barwin, in a role with more passrush responsibilities, has only had one decent statistical year. Even then, he graded out very poorly in terms of opportunity/pressure.

        2) You’d have 2 guys doing new jobs, instead of just 1, if you had Smith learning the Predator.

        Neither of those precludes them from going in that direction, it’s just my objection to the move. I still think Trent Cole is the best passrusher among the OLBs, sad as that is to say, considering how he played against NO.

        • aub32

          I was really hoping we’d either pick someone up in FA or make the move for Barr, but he went much higher than I expected. I don’t think Graham gives you much in the way of STs, which we know Chip values. He’s not good in space. So his only value is really as a nickel/dime pass rush specialist. We have that in Curry, and Curry can least play DT in a 4-man front allowing Barwin or Smith to play DE.

        • Amar, CB who bought in

          That’s a great point you make about the NO game. Even though we were in nickel most of the time, there was barely any penetration in the backfield from our DL, LBs

        • Breathe 21

          You think TC is a better pass rusher than Graham? Graham is the best pass rusher on this team. It shows when he plays and there are stats to back that up. He was the only one to get to Brees in that playoff game. If I’m not mistaken, the saints played a rookie at LT. TC is a better overall OLB in this scheme.

      • http://www.corcommunity.com/ Kelce’s Beard

        not only that, Davis clearly said he’ll be teaching Smith II that side as well, but obviously went with JACK role first (being more complicated).
        And again, mentioned in earlier comments, but I think they’ll eventually head towards 2x JACKs anyway and get away from the JACK/PRED

  • Dominik

    Love it, Sheil. No Maehl, no Square, no Casey Matthews, no Graham (hope he gets traded, for our sake and for his sake). Let’s just hope it will turn out that way.

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  • Ty

    Fingers crossed on Ifeanyi Momah, his size and speed have intrigued me ever since I first heard his name last preseason. It looks like he needs better technique and football instincts/intelligence. I really hope he can make a roaster spot, if he spends a full season with the eagles getting coached up by their coaches, learning Kelly’s system, and getting experience from actual game time (probably special teams) I think he can develop into a really good receiver. but he has to make the team first, I don’t know where his ceiling is but I would have to think he has a high one.

    • aub32

      Not every H/W/S guy has a high ceiling. Plenty of those guys just can’t play football. If all it took was good coaching, then why do the Pats have such a terrible time drafting good WRs?

      • anon

        gotta be smart enough to play in the scheme.

      • Ty

        well I think your wrong, about a few things here. but mainly because his size weight and speed do give him a high ceiling maybe it could be higher but you have to admit a guy that is 5’10” or a guy how is 6’8” both the same speed you know which one has more potential which is another word for ceiling.
        the pats have a terrible time drafting wideouts cause they always try to get too cute during the draft. it takes potential, prior knowledge/technique, dedication, athleticism, opportunity, and of course good coaches (which every team in the nfl has. maybe not always great but I would think you have to be pretty good to be an nfl coach). he at least has 3 of those. yea I probably takes a lil more than that but I am not saying he should start I just want him to make the team. he is big and fast, he will help the team if he makes the team even if it is just on special teams cause big people beat up little people.

      • Ty

        every H/W/S guy does have a high celling. you can’t coach size or speed or weight really. that’s why it is called potential they may never reach it, most don’t. but put a 6’6” 240lbs 4.35 40 guy next to a 5’10” 180lbs 5.35 40 guy, we both know who has the potential to be better or has a higher celing. that pat have a terrible time DRATING good wrs because bill always tries to get too cute with his picks. and who says the pats have the best WR caches? yea bill is good at strategy, formations, clock management, playcalling, and cheating. but he isn’t the one teaching technique to the young wideouts on the team. hey maybe they are weak at WR because they just cant coach up there guys?

  • Tracer Bullet

    I honestly don’t know what Barkley gives them as the 3rd QB that Brad Smith doesn’t as the emergency QB. I’d rather use that roster spot elsewhere.

    • Corey Dawson

      Not all 53 are active on game days, only 46 are. It’s likely that most of the time Barkley will be one of the 7 inactives with smith as the emergency 3rd. I believe they did this most of the time last year, could be mistaken.

  • Tom w

    Hope we don’t keep Maehl Benn Braman and smith. Four special teams “aces” that have little upside seems ridiculous to me when we could keep young upside guys like momah, Reynolds, Krueger, tucker/josey, boone, long would could be rotational players some day and learn/play special teams. We have Polk, Boykin Carroll, Wolfe, Watkins, acho, Goode, huff, hart, Tobin, msmith to play special teams. Maehl and Anderson and bsmith and Matthews were special teams “aces” we kept last year over better players and our special teams sucked. One or two special teams only guys is enough … Brad smith makes sense. I guess maragos too. But is don’t get keeping five special teams guys. They are liabilities on the field in defense but more importantly provide little longterm upside. I don’t see the niners or Seahawks stacking up special team aces. No they are drafting young studs and sitting them for a year or just letting them wait. We need to do that more We let good upside players go last year … Id rather not go through that again.

    • aub32

      I don’t know what some of you have against a guy like Smith. Do you know how fortunate we were last year in regard to injuries? This is football. Players get hurt. I get wanting guys with potential, but the truth is you are going to have a roster with no depth. Look at the WR position. Mac, Coop, Matt, and Huff are locks. Right now Smith is a better WR than Huff. He knows the system better because he played in it last year. If someone goes down, Smith is a better option to go in and play. The problem with having a roster full of “upside guys” is that they are more likely not to work out. There’s a reason why most players don’t make it past 3 years. Go with guys who have proven that they can contribute to an NFL roster, instead of guys who we’d be scared to death if injuries lead to them having to start a game.

      • Tom w

        I’m scared to death if maragos, Braman, Maehl step on the field. As I said, keeping smith I guess makes sense bc he can play slot or outside. But there is no doubt in my mind huff has more potential and could easily play better this yr than him. Huff is also learning both positions and playing special teams. Let’s not act like smith is some uber stud sub or something. He made zero plays last yr or did you forget.

        • aub32

          I am not calling Smith a stud, but at least the guy has played in the NFL. Huff has done nothing. He is a 3rd round rookie. Go look up the stats for how many 3rd round rookie WRs put up even decent numbers. I will be shocked if Huff is better than Smith in year 1. Does he have potential? Sure. What draft pick doesn’t. That’s why all these guys were drafted. They all have potential. However, it takes time for players to develop. That’s why you keep guys like Smith and Braman. Acho showed “potential” last year. What happened? We cut him and here he is again because no one else wanted him. There’s something to that. Who did we let go last year that you want back so badly?

          • OverreacSean Jackson, #culture

            “Huff has done nothing. He is a 3rd round rookie. Go look up the stats for how many 3rd round rookie WRs put up even decent numbers.”

            I feel a “numbers schmumbers” argument a-brewin’.

          • aub32

            I love how every guy we draft is somehow special and will break all the rules. I like our draft class, but Kelly said it best. Draft hype is terrible. Evan Mathis was a journeyman most of his career. Now the guy is an all pro. It takes time for guys to develop, especially those picked in later rounds.

          • Tom w

            Huff went to Oregon. We aren’t cutting him. He was a third rounder. He isn’t going anywhere and will have a long career here. Odds are he replaces maclin. Are you that short cited???? Kelly knows him and hart better than anyone.

            I don’t want five special team aces. Does nothing for me. It’s a waste. Is rather have best pkayers.

            And I don’t need six bandaids and that is all brad smith is. He isn’t good. He did nothing last year. He is not a good pkayer. Buffalo cut him for god sake. Stop w the praise. Maybe like five yrs ago for three games w the jets but lets not act like he is even a capable wr. He isn’t. Has never been. He is a special teams guy first and foremost. So just stop w the wr praise. Matthews has already passed him easily (a second round rookie shooting your prospect wr argument right in the head) and huff won’t take much longer. Brad smith stinks. Our offense is not better or deeper w him He is replaceable talent on offense period. Has some special team talent at best. And I didn’t say cut him. I said we don’t need five special teams guys Jesus Christ

          • aub32

            First off I never said that Huff would get cut. I’d be an idiot to think we would cut our 3rd round pick. I think he will not be active in a few games. Second, the idea that just because he went to Oregon, so he’s going to be our future #1 WR is ridiculous. We will be lucky if he’s a solid to good #2.

            You talk about how Smith has done nothing. He’s done more than Huff to this point. At least Smith knows the system. Go back and read what you said about Smith. How much of that would have applied to Riley Cooper last year? I would love to have a time machine to go read about what you thought of Casey Matthews coming out of the draft.

            You really are missing the entire point. Every draft pick isn’t going to come in and produce in year on or two. You don’t have to take my word for it. Go look up the stats for young WRs. Please tell me how Josh Huff will have a better rookie season than guys like Jordy Nelson or Antonio Brown. Those guys look pretty special, and they did very little in their rookie season. No one is arguing how special Huff can be, though we clearly disagree as to his ceiling. I am stating that you can’t have the back of your rosters filled with guys who are nothing but training camp hype. Eventually they will be needed to play meaningful snaps, and the team will be screwed. Why do you think every NFL roster doesn’t have some 6’2″+ sub 4.5 40 guy sitting on the back of their roster waiting for them to emerge. That’s because the reality is that many of those guys will never make it past their first training camp where they yeasted on 3rd, 4th, and 5th string players.

          • peteike

            ahh you think like I do, I had this conversation yesterday. Im no fan of Smith either but it ended up being a discussion of keeping solid average guys at depth or young potential. Im still in line for the young potential. Also, CK specifically practices so that all guys are ready to step in. That doesnt equate to “potential” young guys being any good so I get the idea of keeping those solid types of average players around. I just dont like it. Id much rather gamble on young skill guys. Chad Hall was awesome right, good thing Reid kept him around, he was a difference maker.

          • aub32

            You realize most those guys cut never panned out right. Who did we cut last year because we kept Maehl that’s going to be some stud elsewhere? God forbid we cut Russell Sheppard. He practiced with Avant after practice. So he must be a future stud.

          • peteike

            easy to pick out the failures as the success rate will be minimal. That doesnt mean none of them will ever step up

          • aub32

            Some will. I agree. So keep the two prospects that have the best chance of making the leap and would get snatched up if put on the PS. I’m in favor of that. I just don’t think you should have a handful of those guys because it hurts the team in case a string of injuries hit.

          • OverreacSean Jackson, #culture

            I agree wholeheartedly with everything you said.

            Especially the bit about how Huff has potential. Every guy drafted has potential. Ryan Leaf had potential, JaMarcus Russell had potential, the list goes on and on. Potential doesn’t necessarily translate to NFL success. Brad Smith was sought out by Kelly, and has had NFL success. Not saying he’s a star, but he was actively sought by Kelly. So, successful, in Kelly’s and, by virtue of Kelly, my book.

            Btw, numbers schmumbers argument posted from your guy.

          • aub32

            That’s just the mentality of some people this time of year. Every unseen player has the potential to be the next Tom Brady or Arian Foster. When in reality the majority of them will go the way of Marvin McNutt.

        • truehaynes

          I seem to remember smith catching two short passes last year and making impressive playa to get the first down

          • aub32

            Some people aren’t happy with a player being effective. They want something sexy to hang their hope on rather than what has been proven.

          • Tom w

            How has brad smith been effective at all. Instead of jocking yourself, please point to anything anything he did last yr that advanced our rankings on offense or even special teams. O that’s right he sucked on special teams too.

          • aub32

            He was actually our best return man last year and was responsible for the longest return of the season. How about you go look something up before trying to call someone out. He wasn’t Devin Hester, but he was an upgrade none the less.

          • RIP illa

            Also he was usually the 1st man down, forcing a play, on a bunch of kickoffs last year. So add that to what aub said and what true (but you probably should disregard his other post, cuz some of them are just out there), said and you have…an effective player. Plus we got him after the start of the season, so it’s not like he had all the time in the world to show and prove, and also get familiar. So the straw man of advancing “our rankings” and the statement that he sucked on ST, is kinda just silly.

          • Tom w

            Just stop troll.

    • JofreyRice

      I agree with your thinking, but I think we’re both in opposition to Chip & Howie here. They love ST aces. I mean, thinking about the offseason strategy, they went after special teamers in the first few hours of FA. I’m more inclined to think you work to increase the talent level of offensive players and defenders, and that doing that will improve the bottom of the roster, organically. That improvement should lead to an improvement in ST. They just don’t seem to think that way.

      • aub32

        That’s not always the case though. Guys have to want to play STs. Some guys think they should only be on the field as a position player. That was the case with Rolle. That little ball of hate should have made a pretty good STer, but he wanted no part of it.

  • Tom w

    Psquad — momah, burton, Krueger, josey, Boone, Reynolds, mays, bamiro

  • Joseph Haas

    Would the Eagles be in danger of losing Bamiro if he doesn’t make the 53? I have no problem with another year on the practice squad, I just find it hard to believe someone with his measurables wouldn’t get picked up by someone.

    Maybe I missed something but Jeff Maehl showed me nothing last year. If the Eagles keep six receivers and not Benn, I hope it will be a pickup from somewhere else.

    • Dominik

      “Maybe I missed something but Jeff Maehl showed me nothing last year. If the Eagles keep six receivers and not Benn, I hope it will be a pickup from somewhere else.”

      Couldn’t agree with you more. And we’re not alone, even though Sheil can’t write it that drastic, when you write “Maehl is a Kelly favorite” and not much else, you make it clear that you, personally, haven’t seen much from him.

      One thing he brings objectively to the table is ST performance. And I get that this is important for Kelly. I can life with guys like Maragos and Braman on the roster. There could be potential in playing Defense, although we don’t know that. But they are aces at ST (they were on their previous teams, at least). Maehl is ok, but no ace.

      With Maehl, we know he probably won’t bring anything on Offense. I’d rather go with 5 WR than 6 if the 6th is Maehl. Guys like Maehl, Matthews and Blair on the roster, even though it’s the 90 roster, just smells like Oregon bias, I can’t help myself there. It’s great that Chip loves his players, it really is. It helps him to be a great coach, too. But if the guys on the team think: “well, this guy getting a roster spot over that guy is not justified because of performance, he got it because he went to Oregon” he will lose at least some credibility with the team. And that’s just not necessary.

      • OverreacSean Jackson, #culture

        There is a clear Oregon bias. The fact that Casey Matthews is still on this team speaks volumes. And I’m sure he’ll find way on this roster. Again.

        I actually started a former Oregon playerhaters fan club on here a few weeks ago. Can’t remember its name, but Former Oregon Playerhaters, or FOP, sounds good. Dibs on chair. You want vice chair? Our mission is simple: hate on Oregon players who are clearly wastes of Eagles’ roster spots. Target #1 – Maehl. Target #2 – Casey Matthews. Jury’s out on Taylor Hart, but seeing as Chip was going to take his in the third round, he might have to receive hate despite anything he does.

        • 370HSSV 0773H

          Chip Kelly got us to the playoffs last year, and you started a fan club to hate on him? Really?

          • OverreacSean Jackson, #culture

            No, not him. The title says “Former Oregon Playerhaters.” Not *anyone* from Oregon. Not our coach. Not the job our coach is doing. Not his approval of such players. Simply “Former Oregon Player-haters.”

        • Dominik

          I wouldn’t go that far. Of course, I agree with you on Maehl and Casey Matthews and I was shocked about Chips comments about drafting Hart in the third – altough not because of Hart, but because for a man as smart as he is he sure doesn’t seem to understand the process of the draft. How many teams have a 34 2-gap Defense? We, the Steelers and…? At some point, someone would take a good linemen despite not being a scheme fit, but Howie made the right call there – obviously.

          Now, I have nothing against Huff. Maybe taken a little bit early, but he could be a good fit. I have nothing against Hart in the 5th, because he could be a good fit. I would’t have had anything against Dion Jordan last year. I’d take LaMichael James (as a FA) in a heartbeat over Tucker as our #3 or #4 RB. I like Oregon as a college team, so as long as you give me good players from there, great, I just don’t like those unskilled guys like Maehl, Bair or Matthews.

          Some might say, and there is a point in that (!): relax, those are camp bodies, and it makes sense to have camp bodies who know Chips program. Fair enough. I’m just scared that one of them or even both make this roster. They neither have skills (like Brad Smith as a vet, f.e.) nor upside (like Kruger, who’s maybe not ready yet, Reynolds or even Momah). I don’t like this combination. ST only gets you that far. Colt Anderson got axed. Casey Matthews isn’t as good a STer as Colt and is evenly bad on Defense as Colt was. Yes, he plays a position of need, but that doesn’t mean that he should make this roster.

          At the WR position, is Maehl really a tool in the toolbox, like Chips likes to say? I can’t imagine he is. What could his role possibly be? Benn needs to stay healthy, but if he can do that, he is a tool in the toolbox.

          • OverreacSean Jackson, #culture

            I should say, I never hated on Huff. I watched Oregon play Texas in the “some bowl before any BCS bowl” bowl, and my gut said we would draft him. And everything else, well, the FOP was simply out of jest.

        • John E. Zang

          Woe woe now. Maehl ahead of Casey?

        • RIP illa

          Brandon Bair!!! I’ll take that VP spot!!! And in no way shape or form can you not have Casey in front of Mahel. Hart’s gonna be alright and Huff is cool, even though he has some major adjusting to do. But the other 3 that we mentioned…and throw Will Murphy in there too…must go!

  • JofreyRice

    If this is a recent picture of Graham? I think he’s hitting the cheesesteaks again.

    • Adam

      Was just going to say that. He’s got about as much muscle definition as I do right now.

    • cliff h-MOAR white goons

      lol…yeah, I want my OLB looking like James Harrison, not the big guy working the hot fryer at Lee’s Hoagie House

  • truehaynes

    Imagine if you had a 4-2-5 nickel with Cole cox curry smith/graham as your down lineman and Kendricks and barwin as your coverage linebackers. That would be some serious pass rush and it would get barwin in coverage instead of meco which would do wonders for our third down defense. Especially if Kendricks can learn to make the pre snap calls

    • Amar, CB who bought in

      When 2011 Giants won the SB, they would send 4 DEs on the nickel package.
      They called it the NASCAR package.
      These guys look just as good.

      • aub32

        Who? What 4 DEs do we have that look just as good as the Giants in 2011? JPP was a freak. He had a down year because the guy just came off back surgery. Tuck should have been a SB MVP. Osi was the weak link and he’s was a better pass rusher then than anyone on the roster not named Trent Cole.

        • jpate

          He’s had 2 down years since then..and hasn’t looked so hot this TC or PS game so far, but yes that year he was a beast.

          • aub32

            Back surgery has the tendency to derail a lot of careers. My point stands we don’t even have an Osi on this team. Osi has had 3 years in which he’s had more sacks than Graham has had in his entire career thus far. I don’t get all the hype. Cole is in the decline. Our NASCAR package would look more like hot wheels if you ask me.

    • Breathe 21

      The sub for Meco is Goode on 3rd down. He’s a better coverage LB and has more range/athleticism than Barwin. Barwin is only good in limited space. Having him cover more field would expose him.

  • truehaynes

    Could boykin play safety in the base along with Jenkins and then for nickel you bring in Wolff/allen

  • Adam

    Is Curry really a lock? For price reasons I would agree, but now that you’ve got 2 more DE’s in Hart and Kruger that fit the mould for what Kelly wants in his 2 gap DE’s, plus add to the fact that Allen gives you versatility in what you can do you with Logan (still think he’s better suited as a DE).

    He’s the best pass rusher of the lot, hands down, but it’s clear Kelly doesn’t want pass rush for his DE’s. It’ll be interesting to see him in preseason action.. if they unleash him or try to tone down his preference to fly off the ball.

    • aub32

      Though we may see less nickel than last year, I’d have to imagine we will be in sub-packages at least 40%-45% of the time. We will need pass rushers who excel in the 4-man front at those times. For the money I do not know if we could get anyone better than Curry. So I think he stays.

      • FluxCapacitor

        My take is if Curry is only sticking to be there for four man fronts, why not keep Graham who can also fill the OLB role? I know I’m in the minority, but I think Graham is a better pass rusher than Curry. I realize he lost weight for the position move, but he still can still put his hand in the dirt. Ahhh…maybe this is why I am a fan and not a NFL coach.

        • aub32

          Curry is cheaper and can play DE in the 3-4 (though it’s not his best position) and can play both DE and DT in a 4-man front. Also, he’s under contract next year. So you would have future options with him that you wouldn’t have with Graham.

          • FluxCapacitor

            Excellent points.

    • Tom w

      On third down a lot and in dime and nickel (for now at least) they are going four down linemen a lot requiring pass rushing tackles/ends like curry. No reason to part ways w him

    • dnabrice

      I think CK want’s pressure from his DE. I think the issue was Curry wouldn’t play the run scheme the right way. Sounds like he’s been doing that better this camp. Either way, they’re not letting him go while he’s on his rookie contract.

    • peteike

      I dont think Kruger has shown squat yet?

    • RIP illa

      Why do people still have this blind faith in Krugs? Reports coming in are not good or what you would want to hear from a 7th rd pick, who has never played a snap in the NFL.

  • 370HSSV 0773H

    Why do I have this feeling Graham will end up on an NFC East team?

    • aub32

      Cowboys?

      • cliff h-MOAR white goons

        bet he’d walk in day 1 as starter, ta’boot. if they give Eagles the most, have no issue. seen enough of the guy, knee has made him solid NFL player at best, and that was before riding pine and losing weight (though like my OLBs to be slightly more vascular than none). if difference b/t winning and losing to ‘Allas is BG, this season took a serious turn south

        • anon

          not sure why we haven’t tried to work something out there. The have a bust status 1st round CB we could take.

          • cliff h-MOAR white goons

            think they are thin at DL, just went out and picked up 2 street FAs at CB so they can practice. think one was Trevor Lindsley. might be able to trade them Marsh too. not sure what they have Eags would want.

  • Token

    Why keep 4 RBs? Waste of a roster spot that can go toward another ST ace. You can pick up a guy like Tucker any time of year.

    OL depth is a train wreck.

    Worst 3-4 OLB group in the NFL?

    • OldDuckMcDoc

      OL depth is a train wreck.

      More untested than train wreck, and plenty of time to pick a vet or two up after rosters are trimmed.

      Worst 3-4 OLB group in the NFL?

      Not by a long shot. San Diego immediately spring to mind, unless you’re super high on Melvin Ingram.

      • http://www.corcommunity.com/ Kelce’s Beard

        SD, CLE, ATL, IND, NO, maybe even PIT.

        Better question: is there a more negative commenter on other team’s sites?

    • peteike

      kind of thin in spots for sure. Other spots Im more worried about than O line. I think the way he schemes with the run game allows the line to impose their will moreso than sitting back and getting abused. I think that can help anyway. WR and LB are concerns and hoping they getting legit pass rush also

    • aub32

      How many teams would be ok if they lost 2-3 of their starting offensive line? Do you just wake up and think what unrealistic expectations can I whine about today?

      • cliff h-MOAR white goons

        when’s there’s no drop off from your 1st team line to 2nd, your 1st team line stinks.

        • aub32

          Giants. OL by committee. Maybe that’s what Token would prefer.

          • cliff h-MOAR white goons

            rushmen in ‘Allas too. come in waves…my god that’s so dumb

  • Amar, CB who bought in

    Have said it before and will say it again, in the CK/BillyD system Brandon Graham and Vinny Curry would have been beasts as 4-3 DEs. Fletcher Cox and Ced Thornton would be one of the best 4-3 DTs in no time. Demeco was a 4-3 MLB anyway.

    • anon

      that milk was spilled a long time ago.

    • John E. Zang

      That wouldn’t be a bad look. Graham and curry at DE, Cox and Ced or even Logan at DT. I don’t know why they don’t throw some pass rush packages like that out there similar to what Seattle runs.

  • B-West

    Of the back up WRs, which have been taking reps on the outside? I know Huff is getting moved around, as that has been mentioned with his growing pains. I’ve heard Smith is mainly in the slot. What about Benn and Maehl? Given some of the questions around the starting outside receivers, seems like we need a guy there. If Smith is 5, I think you have to keep a 6th that has some experience on the outside.

    • anon

      maehl not practicing, benn hasn’t been remarkable.

      • peteike

        hate repeating this but man, after Maclin and Cooper its questionable with rookies and a bunch of average. I was one of the people saying team would be fine sans djax but when you look at it, one injury could change a lot.

        • aub32

          To be honest Maclin is still questionable as he hasn’t seen any actual playing time since the knee injury.

          • peteike

            indeed, I guess we factor in Sproles and TEs also to make us feel better.

          • aub32

            I like our other groups on offense (RB/TE/OL/QB) The WR depth worries me a bit only because of the big question mark surrounding Maclin.

        • John E. Zang

          A lot of teams can say that. Losing a starting wide out isn’t easy to replace on any team. I’m not worried about it because I think Chip can make it work with almsot anyone.

          • peteike

            ya I agree with that but only to an extent. I love JMatt as much as the next guy and he seems like he could easily step up and probably will. He still a rookie though and after that, I havent seen much to get excited about. Once its game time and its all starters, things can change real fast.

          • aub32

            We are hearing from practice that may not be the case. Our WR depth hasn’t been able to beat our secondary. We are hearing about Marsh beating guys on several occasions. Matthews can’t do it alone. Cause for concern?

          • anon

            why do you think we’ve been working so hard on the screen game? I think it’s going to be lots of short passes, and a lot of reliance on downfield blocking.

          • aub32

            I think the RBs and TEs are going to have to play a huge role this year. I think we are going to see a lot more 12 personnel like we initially expected last year.

          • RIP illa

            Yes it is. I brought this up yesterday…some people are hyping up our WR a bit too much. However, anon’s point is very good but can that be our bread and butter for the whole season? How long before teams start to really tighten up coverage if it will be??? And do we have anyone that can really make them pay, over the top, if they do???

        • DEaglesWay

          I remember last year at the begining of the camp our starting receivers were going to be DJack Maclin Avant then we had Benn and Cooper who I almost thought was going to be cut because of his incident… Then Maclin and Benn went down and suddenly we had to count on Cooper to be our 2nd receiver when he hadn’t proved anything yet and we still managed to get a pretty good season out of our WR. So I think that while there is a lot of question concerning the WR we are not in that bad a shape at the position

          • aub32

            I would agree if we knew Mac was at 100%. As of now I don’t know if we have a #1 WR. That’s the part that scares me.

  • cliff h-MOAR white goons

    not bad. most of the guys being argued are deactives gameday, anyways. my only disagreements is think Kruger will get 7th DL spot, think Chip only carried 8 OL last yr and D Kelly doesn’t sound like he’s bouncing back from injury all that well. Graf (sp?) T out of USC-sounds like he progressing and can sit on PS in emergency season has hit the crap-fan duty. and i’ll say Maehl over Benn, again, either will be deactive GD, but if some of the special team aces go down that are in top 40(not counting qbs or kickers) then he can slide in.

    • peteike

      year 2 and the ST talk is already tired. We better have incredible ST haha

      • cliff h-MOAR white goons

        i’ll settle for average. mostly cause it doesn’t matter how many aces you have if Henery is kicking low liners to the 5. Punt returning needs to be a lot better too. Jax was exciting when he found his seam. but teams figured out the ‘take 2 steps back’ trick.

        • peteike

          ugh, dont remind me about kickoffs. If we lose a game or two because of that, fans will freak the …out

  • Kev_H

    I still think Benn will be this year’s Riley Cooper with better overall numbers. Either Maclin or Cooper will be hurt and he’ll step in and do well.

    • peteike

      wow, thats a huge projection, no way and trust me I hope Im wrong. Just not seeing it, it usually takes an additional year coming back from a knee

      • Kev_H

        For what it’s worth, I thought that before he got cut and re-signed too. I just think he is a good player and the breaks will start to fall his way. The thing about coming back from a knee works as much in his favor here as it does against him. Maclin is in the same boat. If he goes down or misses time, that opens up the door for others. Cooper hasn’t been on the field either so….

  • Philly0312

    Sheil, if BG is cut, do we know if his contract has off-set? Right now according to overthecap.com BG’s salary for this year is guaranteed. Do you think they eat the salary and cut him if there is no off-set? I could see him signing a 1 year 2 million deal somewhere if we cut him, and that type of off-set would might make it worth it if he doesn’t have a future in Philly. But if there is no off-set, is Long’s potential really more important than what BG can do now?

  • Richaud Jeaffreson

    I think Trey Burton will end up on the roster over Matthew Tucker. I think Tucker is headed for the PS again. Burton is a versatile piece, and he can line up in the backfield as well. HE is like a younger cheaper James Casey.

  • Dillon

    My darkhorse to make the team: WR, Will Murphy.