Weekend Reading: Foles Over Wilson?

Photo by: Jeff Fusco.

Photo by: Jeff Fusco.

We’re getting ready for the first training camp practice at NovaCare today. In the meantime, some links to pass along.

The Football Outsiders Almanac is out, and you can access a snippet from the Eagles’ chapter here. Last year, the Birds ran a play every 23.38 seconds. That was the fastest pace of any offense Football Outsiders had charted since 1997.




Chip Kelly likes to point out that the Eagles don't always play fast, but clearly tempo was a big part of the offense.

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During a recent appearance on 97.5 The Fanatic, Ron Jaworski said he'd take Nick Foles over Russell Wilson.

Per Pro Football Talk:

"I’m taking Foles," Jaworski said. "Not even close. Russell Wilson is just . . . because of that system he is in. Russell Wilson plays with that defense, the best in football. He just managed the game very well. I think Russell Wilson has played terrific, a great maturity, but I’m going to take Nick Foles."

In his QB rankings for ESPN.com, Jaws had Wilson No. 9 and Foles No. 15.

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Doug Farrar of SI.com recently ranked the top 10 cornerbacks in the NFL. He had Brandon Boykin No. 7:

Boykin was the best slot cornerback in the NFL last year, and a breath of fresh air on an Eagles defense that was too often betwixt and between in Billy Davis' new schemes. Boykin picked off six passes last season, and all of them came in the slot, where he was targeted 75 times and gave up 44 receptions for 562 yards. That percentage is impressive because slot cornerbacks are asked to cover slants and other simple routes that are generally easy completions. Add in that Boykin allowed just two touchdowns all season, and that's one more than he scored -- he took a pick 54 yards to the house against the Bears in Week 16.​

It's also worth noting that Farrar had new Eagles CB Nolan Carroll II in his "honorable mention" section. As we've mentioned in this space, with a good summer, Carroll could steal a starting job.

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  • Johnny Domino

    How much camp is open to the press?
    You are our eyes and ears, y’know.

  • Tikkit, draft crapshoot

    I like Boykin getting some verbal dap for being such a good CB. As for Jaws, maaaan you have to give the guy that just won a SB the nod and he talks about Wilson being a system QB in his comments, Foles also benefits from a system.

    • Jonathan R. Henry

      I noticed Aikman spoke against Wilson’s “game manager” tag during the Super Bowl.

    • Septhinox

      Foles has played well in two systems.

  • Kev_H

    Foles over Wilson? If you just look at 2013 post season performances at home vs the Saints as your point of comparison…

    • NickS FFLC/GM/DPP/Scout/HC/OC

      Going by those games against the Saints there’s no question it’s Foles.

  • JosephR2225

    When did “game manager” turn into a pejorative for quarterbacks? If there is one thing I want my quarterback to be able to do, it’s manage the game.

    • anon

      Depends on if what you’re asking is a floor or a ceiling.

    • Andy Six Score and Four

      I get your point, but taking the question literally, I can’t remember it ever being anything but a pejorative.

    • Sum

      Brady won 2 (arguably 3) rings as a “game manager” and 0 as a top 3 QB.

    • OldDuckMcDoc

      I can’t remember it ever being used as a compliment, but it’s certainly overused these days IMO. Seems like if you aren’t running like Randall or flinging 60 yard bombs every week you get the “game manager” tag.

      Impressive YouTube highlight reels do not a good QB make.

  • DirtyWaters

    Here’s the latest picture I could find of Jaworski. Notice the ability to say two different things simultaneously.

    • usmcnole

      Damn thats cold

      • Johnny Domino

        Not kosher

    • JosephR2225

      Mmmmm, bacon….

  • NickS FFLC/GM/DPP/Scout/HC/OC

    Little flip-flopping there, Jaws?

    • Tikkit, draft crapshoot

      He flopped so hard he threw out his back. Luckily JMatt was close by to lay hands on him and cure the slipped disc.

  • anon

    Jordy signs 4-year 39M. Makes that Cooper contract look awesome.

    • DirtyWaters

      BREAKING NEWS: Riley Cooper holding out of camp to demand Nelson get paid less.

      • Andy Six Score and Four

        lol

    • Dominik

      We must wait for the numbers to come out, but don’t forget that Cooper is a #2 (with no ceiling of being a #1, best case is a good #2 like last year), while Nelson is a #1 WR. 1300 yards with seven games started by Matt Flynn, Scott Tolzien, and Seneca Wallace last year – that’s crazy.

      • anon

        yeah his numbers are pretty good. I also see him as a product of Rodgers (and this year that Cobb was out) but maybe he’s better than I give him credit for.

        I sort of think him and Coop are similar, but maybe that’s because they are two white guys who are about the same height, weight and speed.

        • Dominik

          I’m not saying that Nelson is Megatron II, but to me, he’s the #1 in a great offense with a top 3 QB – on one hand. On the other hand, there is a lot of distribution in Green Bay – if that makes it easier to gain 1300 Yards, since the opponenents will have to defend the other weapons, or harder, because there are only so many balls thrown your way – that’s a tough one.

          You have to say though, Cooper also plays in a great Offense. So I think it’s fair to compare them. For the same money, 32 GMs would take Nelson, I’m pretty sure about that. To compare their salaries/input for salary, we have to wait for the breakdowns of Nelsons expansion.

          But don’t expect it to be a very player friendy deal. He had a very team friendly contract and he must have given them something for the early extension.

          • anon

            Agree, think the signing bonus was $11M and only $14M in guarantees, which makes him pretty reasonable for 1300yds/yr.

            Is bonus included in guaranteed money?

          • Dominik

            I don’t know that for a fact. In this case, I don’t think so. I would be surprised if Nelson extends his contract for a total of 14m guaranteed over 4 years. This will be 25 (11+14) guar. and that’s reasonable.

            But I’d like to see a complete breakdown of cap hit etc. before I evaluate the contract. And even then, I’m no Cliff Henry. ;)

          • Travis Papa

            No the guaranteed money includes the signing bonus. 25 of 40 mil is something Fitzgerald gets not jordy Nelson. 14 isn’t bad it’s nearly 50% which well above average.

  • frank

    Does any TV station or website show the ENTIRE practice, so fans can see from home?

  • Andy Six Score and Four

    Imagine how annoying that [Jaws’ comment] would be to a Seattle fan.

    Side note: Lynch is holding out in Seattle. Depending on how that plays out, we may learn more about Wilson, good or bad, than Carroll would prefer this year.

    And yeah, I’d take Foles over Wilson, but not by a huge margin. By about, say, 8 inches.

    • anon

      Think they like their backups but agree.

    • OldDuckMcDoc

      Honestly, I’m not sure how much tread’s left on Lynch’s tyres. I even tried drafting Michael in my keeper league last year because I figured Marshawn’s workload/production would start to go down this year but someone else beat me to it. Either way, not sure they don’t just stick to the gameplan regardless of Lynch’s status.

      Tough call between Wilson and Foles. I don’t think any of them have shown they *can’t* do anything yet, but still need to see more of both. I’d probably go with Wilson at this stage but not with any huge confidence.

  • jmkrav

    Oh my god. I cannot stand Jaws. Nothing he says has any credibility.

    He is right sometimes. But that’s because he says everything. I mean if you say “it will rain today. But it also might not” then you’re going to be right. Sort of.

    What blowhard.

    • jmkrav

      Also I just have an impression that Jaws is not that intelligent.

  • 370HSSV 0773H

    I’ve always liked Jaws but I’ve never respected his opinion on anything. I thought he was over his head on MNF.

  • TNA

    Jaws or any talking head’s opinion will change with the wind. That said, Jaws had some good observations about what defenses are looking at and the small things Foles has to pay attention to. Those observations are more insightful than any ranking of any particular player in a vacuum. One observation was Foles lifting his heels slightly before taking snaps. That kind of thing is interesting. If Foles develops has any tendencies, he has to show the ability to adjust.

  • Engwrite

    I love Jaws. He is laughing all the way to the bank.

  • HokiEagle07

    If Seattle had passed on Wilson, he’d be an Eagle, no doubt, and probably the guy who unseated Vick two years ago. It’s close, and I’d be glad to have either on the Eagles. I’m probably a little more biased toward Wilson because he’s from my hometown (Richmond, VA), he’s a more vocal leader, has a slightly stronger arm than Foles, and he can improvise and create more dynamic plays. I wouldn’t pass on Foles’ accuracy, poise, size, decision=making, and command of the offense. Slight edge to Wilson, but I’m Birdgang all day. (Been an Eagles fan since 95, JJ defense, & Duce . Also a Seahawks fan since 2000 w/ Shaun Alexander, so they’re both my favorite teams to watch.) Really want the Eagles to bring home a championship. Philly needs one.