Eagles Wake-Up Call: Could Carroll Get a Shot?

Photo by Jeff Fusco.

Photo by Jeff Fusco.

For Nolan Carroll II, much of this spring has been about getting used to a new environment.

The 27-year-old cornerback spent his first five NFL seasons with the Dolphins before signing with the Eagles this offseason. And he’s taking note of the differences.




"I really think it’s the assessments that we do every morning," Carroll said when asked what the biggest adjustment has been. "You have to really have in your mind to do it every day. You’ve gotta do your heart rate stuff. You’ve gotta do your hydration. You’ve gotta do your questionnaire. And you’ve gotta weigh in.

"Those are the things that normally when you come in, you don’t do stuff like that. You come in the building, probably get in the hot tub, relax at your locker. Now you’ve gotta do all those things. But ultimately it’s helping you in the long run because they’re trying to monitor your body and trying to see how you are, how you’ve recovered from the previous day. If you haven’t recovered, they’re gonna try and find a way to help you recover."

Asked specifically about the questionnaire, Carroll added: "Just if you’re sore, how many hours of sleep did you get, what’s sore on your body. You kind of tell them your quads are sore, your feet are sore, your knees, your shoulders, whatever it might be. And if it’s really sore, then they’ll try and take care of you."

While the sports science change-ups might have taken some getting used to, Carroll looked like a fit right away on the field during the practice sessions to the media. Lining up mostly at left cornerback with the second team, he consistently got his hands on the football - something that can be difficult, given the no-contact, no-press nature of OTAs and minicamp.

Carroll said the Eagles' scheme reminds him of what he played under defensive coordinator Mike Nolan in 2010 and 2011. Last year, Carroll started 12 games and appeared in all 16. The Eagles return starters Cary Williams and Bradley Fletcher from a year ago, but Carroll has a chance to push them this summer.

"We had him targeted very early as a guy we wanted to bring into this organization," Chip Kelly said. "I think he's got the requisite length that we are looking for at the corner spot, especially as an outside corner. He's an outstanding special teams player, been one of the top gunners in the league, and obviously improvement in special teams was a big thing for us. Love his competitive makeup. Talked to his coaches at Maryland about what type of player he is and what type of person he is.

"Like anybody else, and we had some questions earlier about why a guy is here, is that they are all competing for starting jobs. He's getting every opportunity. I've been really impressed with Nolan the short time we've had him here, and I know you guys have noticed he's stuck out and excited about where he's headed."

At the very least, Carroll gives the Eagles cornerback depth as the No. 4 guy behind Williams, Fletcher and Brandon Boykin. He potentially could give Billy Davis the option to play more dime as well - something the Eagles stayed away from in 2013.

But if Carroll picks up this summer where he left off in the spring, he could be looking at an even bigger role.

"I’m trying every day to find a way to stick out," he said. "I don’t ever settle. I know I’m the new guy. I feel like a rookie a little bit, just trying to get my place out here, getting guys to notice, hey I’m here. That’s all I’ve been trying to do every single day this minicamp. But for me, I’m ready to go into preseason games, ready to get the pads on and show what I can actually do overall as a player."

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Taking stock of where the seven players the Eagles drafted stand going into training camp.

Some great photos from last week's minicamp.

T-Mac offers some parting thoughts from the spring.

WHAT THEY'RE SAYING

Jimmy Kempski of Philly.com likes what he's seen from Arrelious Benn:

So far, so good. Benn has made several leaping/sliding catches, and looks like his recovery from that ACL tear went well. My sense is that Benn will have to significantly outplay Smith and Maehl to earn a job, as durability concerns remain, but he is off to a good start.

Tommy Lawlor of Iggles Blitz on Matt Barkley:

The larger issue here is that Barkley shouldn’t let the media get to him. If he’s going to have a lengthy NFL career, Barkley has to learn to roll with the punches. I know that is easy for me to say that since Barkley is the one getting ripped on, but that’s life in the spotlight. You have to let people say what they want.

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  • Københavner

    Barkley needs to do 2 things – roll with the media and he needs to throw the ball harder in front of people. He needs to shine this pre-season or the Eagles need to move on. Does it bother anyone else that Vick is happy to be backup for Geno, but not for Foles? It would have been great to go into the season with Vick as a content backup. We swtiched backups with Jets and I think they got the better deal.

    • IG:blkboyflyy

      It definitely does bother me that Vick didn’t stay on but like all of last year he had to play the part of a teammate. He knows if Geno doesn’t play well he’s going to start. With Foles he knew it was less likely that would happen.

    • borntosuffer

      Vick switched to the Jets because Geno sucked last season. Geno can play himself out of a job pretty quickly. Injury was probably Vick’s only path to playing time with the Eagles. I can’t fault him for that. Besides, whatever anyone says about Vick, he was a warrior on the field for the Eagles and a great leader in the locker room. I’m rooting for him (except against the Eagles) and it makes it easier that he is in the AFC.

      • PhillySean

        Agree with you. Also think the too many Eagles fans would be calling for Vick to be named starter if Foles played poorly for a single game. I don’t worry about Chip Kelly or Nick Foles shrugging off idiot fans and journalists, but who needs that BS?

        • NickS1

          Hit the nail on the head. You should have seen this comment section from April – playoffs last year. All the Vick fans first, Eagles fans (by virtue of having Vick) second, would pollute this comment section non-stop with drivel about how 33yr old Vick has so much left in the tank, is light years better than Foles, and will be the ideal QB for Chip’s system, blah blah blah…. Last thing the fans needed was another year of hearing that garbage. No idea how so much praise can be heaped upon a guy who’s blown not one, but TWO $100mil contracts.

          • dnabrice

            Nobody expected Foles’ season last year especially after his fill-in duty from 2012…def not spectacular. 2013 was not a fluke though, and he’s going to have a stellar 2014. Vick was the very logical starter last year based on his running ability, but his turnovers are his demise. Foles’ ball security is vastly superior, and a big reason the Eagles will win this year. It’s how DMac helped the Eagles not lose for so many years in the 2000s.

          • NickS1

            I’m in the rare camp that has been on the Foles train since the end of 2012. May have been driving the train, too. Well documented on here that I thought Foles should have been the starter and looked better in the tempo offense than Vick. And while I didn’t expect any historic level of play, I’ve thought that he was our guy since 2012, and I had a lot of arguments with posters here who are no longer posting here about it…. Vick’s running ability had nothing to do with the decision to start Vick. He was the team leader and had the locker room, and as the QB, that’s who you start. It’s not like Chip was dumb enough to think Vick would start all 16 anyway. He knew what he had in Foles and he knew Foles would get his shot. Rest is history.

      • Maggie

        Have to disagree on Geno. he was not ready to be a starter, especially with Marty making him throw waaay downfield almost every play. Many rookie QB’s are not quite ready to start in the NFL.

        • borntosuffer

          No lectures from me, Maggie. But, just cause he wasn’t ready, doesn’t mean he didn’t suck ;-).

    • jabostick

      I think Vick is just publicly being modest. I bet he thinks he can clearly outplay Geno in camp/preseason and get the gig. Not so with Foles

      • IG:blkboyflyy

        That’s how I see it clearly.

      • Andy124

        Ding ding ding!

    • Kev_H

      I read the other day where Vick saved thousands of lives. That story was under reported. He is a hero. But he said he didn’t like practicing so hard and Chip’s “win the day” (vs only worry about Sundays) approach. Sanchez also has a better playoff resume and something to prove so I think we are better off.

      • IG:blkboyflyy

        The Jets defense have Sanchez that Playofd record. He still turned the ball over way too much it just so happens the defense got it back. I don’t think the team is better off I think Chip just picked up anyone that played in a similar offense to see if he could make something to fit him. Sanchez barely got beat out by Geno injury took over.

        • shady25

          He picked him up because he was the best veteran on the market. That isn’t saying much for the free agent QB’s available. I am scared to death of Sanchez. We needed a veteran QB on our roster and he was all that was out there. I mean he has been to 2 championship games so he has some kind of experience that he may be able to give Foles. Might just be something small that he noticed and Foles didn’t that a rookie or 2nd year QB (Barkley) would not see. Wish there was a better veteran on the market though.

          • IG:blkboyflyy

            In all honesty he most likely picked him up because he’s famiar with him from the PAC-10 Kelly has said countless times it’s better to have two good qbs who can run the system than one super star because when he goes down the team can’t run on all cylinders. He wasn’t the best veteran on the market they just chose to wait they could have signed away any of the qbs that reached Free agency, money was surely another factor as other many others signed 2-3 yr contracts worth upwards of 4 mil a year. Cassel, McCown, Whitehurst all did and I think I would have preferred cassel or McCown. Simply put Sanchez was just for the hell of it. One year to test him

          • NickS1

            I tend to think that the signing of Sanchez was also largely more about trying to push Barkley than anything else. Sure the money helps, but it’s not like Sanchez is pushing Foles for PT.

  • Addicted2MAmula

    Turner: Vikes trying to get Peterson in space as a pass-catcher

    Lol

    • IG:blkboyflyy

      Vikings are behind the ball even the Seahawks knew the league was headed toward more versatile backs and they used beast mode for the last push to win a championship. They were in no rush to extend his contract or pay him more money.

      • Addicted2MAmula

        Exactly! I think that McCoy statement hit them in the heart

        • IG:blkboyflyy

          If I was a one-trick pony I would feel the sting too. But so many people still want bruising backs like Green Bay Eddie lacy isn’t as adept at catching albeit he’s a rookie but still tucker came out of college a better blocker and pass catcher than most backs, which is why Kelly kept him on the team. The sooner teams realize they have to follow the curve of the Nfl the more chance we wil see new teams in the Championship game.

  • Token

    “I think he’s got the requisite length that we are looking for at the corner spot, especially as an outside corner.”

    Ugh, poor Boykin. Gotta say, probably the dumbest thing about Chip is this height and weight prerequisite nonsense. Talent should come first.

    • ohitsdom

      You can disagree, but I’m not sure you can call it dumb. Corners with size can really dominate a receiver (Seattle vs Denver). Boykin would never be able to physically dominate, although he certainly has the cover skills. He absolutely is best suited for the slot. It’ll be interesting to see if he doesn’t resign with us for a chance to play for another team on the outside.

      • Joe from Easton

        I think it would be in his best interested to stick with the birds and excel at what they have him do. Sure he’ll probably get some more money to go somewhere and play outside, but will he play as long? Will he have success and get continued recognition? Personally I’ll take 8-10 years of paychecks that may only be 70% of the amount per check as 5 years worth of paychecks for a different role. Just a thought.

        • Token

          Yea, athletes dont think like fans.

          • Joe from Easton

            Agreed. That was clearly my thought, not a prognostication of what his thoughts are, but thanks Token.

        • ohitsdom

          I’m with you, he’s got a pretty great fit here but I really hope Boykin is thinking the same thing. And for a slot corner, he gets pretty good recognition, certainly from NFC East followers.

        • Explorer51

          We’re all assuming that the Eagles won’t pay him “outside corner” money; if they compensate him at the same level of our other corners (big “if” I know) along with generous incentive levels he just might hang around. In the meantime, we should enjoy this season.

      • Token

        Boykin is gone as soon as his contract is up. Dont understand why people believe that players love the Eagles so much they would never leave. He wants to play outside. He will get his chance somewhere else to do that. Simple. You only make a career out of playing the slot if you have no other option.

        • Joe L

          If they dump Cary Williams after this year like so many people seem to think, I don’t see why they can’t throw a decent chunk of change at Boykin and let him compete on the outside with Fletcher, having Watkins in the slot.

          • NickS1

            Despite all the moving parts, money won’t be the issue. How they value him will be. Plus, just in the secondary, we could cut Williams or restructure him, Fletcher is a UFA next offseason, Carroll has no guaranteed $ next year, Allen is on a one year deal. We basically have to figure out the direction of our cornerbacks next offseason for the next 3-4yrs. I threw in Allen for the hell of it. Safety is kind of set otherwise. But if he plays well, more money coming out.

          • Token

            Well thats common sense. But with Chip its not gonna go down like that. Boykin could be a top 10 corner in the NFL and because of his size he wont get a chance here.

            Next season Cary is gone. Really, Cary should have been gone this season. So lets just say maybe Carrol is a player. You have him at one starter. Then id just slot Boykin into the other starting spot. But at very least you could bring back Fletch and have them battle it out.

        • jpate

          I don’t think they let Boykin walk. They really do value him. They were jumping up and down when he fell to them in the draft and so far he’s played above those expectations.

          • Token

            Not up to them. Boykin has made it very clear he wants to start outside. He will get that chance elsewhere.

          • peteike

            we dont know that yet, lot of things can still happen like him getting action outside (injury etc) and more than proving himself. Im with you though, Ill be very upset if Chip is that hard line with measurables. I dont think he is…….yet

          • dnabrice

            I think the real issue is the money. If the Eagles pay him well, I think he stays. We’ll see if the Banner days are still here or if the cap philosophy really has changed.

          • Token

            Well firstly you cant pay a 50% snap guy starter money. Even if they did, its not Boykins driving force. Hes a competitive kid. He wants to be great. He wants the chance to start outside. Unless he gets no chance from other teams, hes gone.

            The thing thats frustrating about it is they rarely ever find real grade A talents in the drafts. This kid has that potential. But he will likely reach his prime elsewhere.

        • shady25

          I think he will get payed like an outside corner and he will stay. If you listen to Chip and Billy Davis slot corners are just as valuable as outside guys. You have to have a good one and we do. These are 2 different positions. Honestly, I don’t think Boykin would hold up out there. Especially with some of the teams we play this year. 49ers, Texans, Cowboys, Cardinals, Packers. Boykin would get eaten alive by Anquan Boldin, Crabtree, Andre Johnson, Dez Bryant, Michael Floyd, Kelvin Benjamin(maybe), Fitzgerald. The physical size matchup is just too much of a disadvantage.

      • myeaglescantwin

        yep.

        putting Boykin on the outside is a mistake. If there isn’t anything wrong with his current play style & position, why change it.

        There is no way a 5’8 CB can hang with a 6’4 WR all game or big WR’s for 16 games.
        especially when you see teams like NO, NE, GB, & DEN all with 100rec slot WRs. WE NEED BOYKIN WHERE HE IS AT.

        • NickS1

          Well he’s 5’10… and Chip’s own offense is proof that it isn’t a guaranteed dream matchup to have Boykin on some short slot receiver since Chip is starting a 6’3″ rookie in the slot. Moreover, NO has Colston in the slot, 6’4″, NE was using it’s TEs as slot receivers before prison and injury ruined it, and GB lines its WRs up all over, so a Nelso sees a fair amount of slot time.

          • myeaglescantwin

            Boykin measured in at just over 5’9 at the combine.
            Cooks will be the main slot threat in NO.
            Cobb when healthy is the GB slot guy.
            There is no way we would be in nickle packages against a double TE set.

            again, if it aint broke, don’t fix it.

          • NickS1

            So he’s closer to 5’10” than the 5’8″ you stated.
            Cooks may be. Likely Colston’s reps still come from the slot as he ages and slows
            Cobb when healthy is the main slot guy, they move their WRs around.
            Right about double tights.
            Since Boykin wants to play all the snaps instead of half, it’s broke as far as he’s concerned.

          • myeaglescantwin

            lets set all the ticky tack aside.
            So what your main point is;
            Boykin needs to be on the field more.

            I will agree with that 100%.
            If Chip feels it should be on the outside, i’ll support it.

          • NickS1

            And that if Chip feels that his height is why he shouldn’t be on the outside, I’ll opt to respectfully disagree.

          • dnabrice

            Lito Sheppard was small but played pretty well on the outside back in the day, made pro bowls etc.

          • myeaglescantwin

            Yes, lito had a few great years. Him and Sheldon both played great and were around 5’10. But that was a different era of football.
            The league is filled with WR’s 6’3 and above now.

            And I would argue that our defense was at it’s absolute best with Bobby Tailor and Troy Vincent in the secondary. 6’3 & 6’1 CBs.

            (none of this is a knock on Boykin’s skills / playmaking abilities)

          • myeaglescantwin

          • Michael

            That play will never get old. The best was when he popped right up, took 2-3 steps, and went right back down to the ground sucking wind….

          • NickS1

            Welcome to the league, Reggie.

          • myeaglescantwin

            Can we take a poll on here
            what was a better smash???

            Sheldon blasting Reggie? (thumb up)
            or
            Dawkins destroying Crumpler? (thumbs down)

          • NickS1

            Man I hate picking things like this… I can’t pick against Weapon X, though. Dawk – 5’11” 205-210, Crumpler 6’6″ 260 with the little guy demolishing the big man has to win in my opinion. As much as I loved the Sheldon hit (I was so mad we traded him), can’t go against Dawk.

          • myeaglescantwin

            the fact that Dawk gave up 45 lb’s and 6 inches seals that deal.

            Crumpler did hold the catch though. respects.

          • NickS1

            True that. Dawkins breaking Ike Hilliard’s ribs might be my favorite Dawkins hit, though. I miss him. I want to watch him crawl out of the tunnel again.

          • myeaglescantwin

            I’d love to see a DawkinsPlex on ANY player on the Washington R-words

          • NickS1

            That’s beautiful. Also, you can say Redskins. It’s okay. No one is going to judge you. You’re not wrong for saying it despite what the media tells you.

          • myeaglescantwin

            I a man of character.

            I use the name topic to rip the Washington “sunbathed-native-Americans” all the time. I can’t be hypocritical

          • NickS1

            Understood.

          • Johnny Domino

            My spleen hurts just watching that.

      • Johnny Domino

        He can always get paid too much from Jerry to play in Dallas, but he’d have to see Jordan Matthews twice a year. And suck.

        • GMaddox

          Nothing like going out early on something. I’ll wait to see how he does in real games before gushing over JM. BTW, Boykin has shown he can play.

          • Johnny Domino

            Of course Boykin can play, a move to Dallas just increases his suck factor exponentially. And the JM thing is like all the rest of the hype. Except the part about his awesomeness.

        • shady25

          And that’s the whole point. Matthews is 6’3″ and Boykin is 5’9″. I would throw it to Matthews all day. He is going to win 80% of that battle just because of size alone.

          • peteike

            Total nonsense, plenty of smaller defenders can still make plays, even on jump balls. He certainly has the vertical. Will he get beat also, sure, but its never that easy.

          • shady25

            Jump balls? Seriously? If you have a QB who is smart and can play. I will throw a jump ball every time to a receiver who has 7 inch height advantage. Even if your shorter CB has a high vertical it’s still not enough. He will just get out muscled for the ball. Don’t get me wrong, Boykin is my man. He is the best at what he does for a reason. He’s a slot CB in traffic not on an island. The 2 positions are different and he is very successful at what he does. Why mess with that? Most teams play 11 personnel a lot anyway. Just because he dominates the 51% of the plays he’s on the field doesn’t mean stick him in a totally different position and see if he can do the same. That is dumb and not using your players to their strengths. I think Howie will take care of him. They realize what he wants and will probably give him the biggest deal with the most guaranteed money.

          • peteike

            You think they are giving him outside money to play the slot, no way. Depends where the jump ball is, that only really applies to corner end zone fades and most teams dont hammer that play. I guess back shoulder outs maybe but a good corner can adjust even with a height disadvantage. There really are not a lot of “every time” plays, unless its a spot in the middle of the field they are abusing.

    • IG:blkboyflyy

      Talent should come first, however when you want to play press man having a 5’10 180lb cb on a 6’2-5 215 lb WR you risk injury and fatigue and that’s why you fit your scheme to your players.

      • Token

        Until shown otherwise, the Eagles play very little press man. And most of the league is made up of 5-10 or 5-11 CBs.

        • IG:blkboyflyy

          That was Davis plan but without competent safeties we couldn’t. It was said last year he likes for players to get their hands on the receivers. Not only that he brought in Cary Williams and that’s what he’s good for. So until otherwise is a pointless statement.

          • Token

            Did they find competent safeties in the offseason? I must have missed that.

          • IG:blkboyflyy

            Chung is succeeded by Jenkins that alone will fix half the problems and the defense has become a more cohesive unit have faith. Stop being such a negative Nancy

          • Token

            Negative or realistic? Not being fanatical doesnt make you negative. The truth of it is Jenkins was one of the most burnt safeties in the NFL. Ill have to see him play well to believe he can do it. I dont think just because he put on a Eagle uniform that makes him amazing.

          • IG:blkboyflyy

            You said amazing not I. I just choose to see the obvious Jenkins is on the other side of the scale compared to Chung point blank. Second like I said the defense has had time to gel it’s a work in progress remember when Davis said after the broncos game it would get better and it absolutely did. Nothing fanatical about it

          • John E. Zang

            You choose to ignore context. Jenkins has all the talent and character and HAS performed well. You ignore the fact he was never on the same defense his whole career just like our favorite scape goat Nate Allen. Everyone wants to examine stats without context. Thank god we don’t have scouts and management with that fantasy football mentality.

          • Token

            When has he performed well? And who says he has the talent? See that is fan speak. Hes a corner that was switched to S so he could find a spot in the league. Play wise hes not to far off from a Nate Allen up to this point in his career.

            Maybe the Billy Davis is the defensive genius he needs to play at a pro bowl level. I guess we will find out.

          • Maggie

            I doubt that Allen ever had the ability to lead and call the DBs sets like Jenkins apparently can.

  • Sam

    I love the attitude of the players the Eagles brought in this offseason, including the rookies. None of them have any expectations about starting, they just want to compete, and everybody seems to be willing to do what’s best for the team. You have veterans like Peters and Barwin teaching the young guys the nuances of their respective positions… It’s really impressive. It is very apparent that culture and character matters to Chip and the organization, and it makes you appreciate how important that stuff is. A talented group of divas, each playing with his own agenda and interests in mind, cannot compete with a unified team working together. On the flip side, I believe players that have come from other organizations appreciate the things (sports science, in particular) the organization does for the players, and it’s why there has been such a complete “buy in” of the program. I don’t know what’s in the Kool-Aid down at NovaCare, but I’m drinking it!

    • John E. Zang

      The thing that’s genius is that his motto preaches team while attending to the individual. So basically taking care of yourself and being at your best bodes well for your own career as well as the team.

      • Maggie

        “You do whatever you have to do as part of the team”. See above. Chip continues to remind me of Chuck in many ways.

    • Maggie

      “I can’t tell you how much you gain, how much progress you can make, by working together as a team, by helping one another. You get much more done that way. If there’s anything the Steelers of the ’70s epitomized, I think it was that teamwork.”

      “Right now you hear about teamwork and it’s defined as 50-50, and that is a falsehood. There’s no such thing as 50-50. You do whatever you have to do as part of the team. You may have to carry somebody.”: Chuck Noll
      As an aside, the Noll Steelers had the REAL Rocky, whom they carried, and paid, for TWO YEARS on the practice squad, rehabbing his smashed leg, before he helped them win all those Super Bowls.
      Relax, I’m an Eagles fan now.

      • peteike

        The Steelers of the 70s epitomized the first team to use roids for such benefit, way ahead of the curve there. Now that was team work, all coming together to use the same enhancers. Ha, I kid, sort of

  • travis papa

    Did anyone else notice that chip talked to Carrolls coach from college? Guy is in the nfl 4-5yrs and chip is still doing a thorough background check on him. I really like the attention to detail and the full investigation of the player before committing to a free agent.

    • GMaddox

      With the anchor that is the FO talent machine, he needs to look on his own. Otherwise, HR will bring in more Curtis Marshes, Casey Matthews, Teo Nesheims, Danny Watkins, Jarrett (to name a few).

      • Johnny Domino

        You know that is largely Reid-era ancient history, right?

        • GMaddox

          2 of them remain on the roster and are not “history” at all, let alone ancient. Moreover, Howie was the GM at the time of their drafting and, in the case of Watkins, the person who made the choice according to contemporaneous reports. So, I think CK being involved to this level of detail is not just interesting, it’s vital.

      • myeaglescantwin

        false.

        Those days look to be long gone sir.

        • GMaddox

          Not entirely.

          • NickS1

            Enough to materially affect FA decision making and player eval.

          • myeaglescantwin

            what in the past 3 drafts has indicated those are the types of players we are shooting for?

            The worst pic we have had in those years is one guy, Marvin McNutt.

      • Maggie

        Excerpt from Sheil K., June 2013:

        “In the last couple of years, we’ve added some talented personnel men who have an incredible eye for talent in Tom [Gamble], Rick [Mueller], Ed [Marynowitz] and Tom [Donahoe], who come from a culture of winning to join our scouts and Anthony Patch who does a great job as our college director
        Howie Roseman has added Michael Davis as Midwest area scout; Trey Brown as West Coast area scout; and Louis Clark as pro scout.”
        You really must try to keep up.

        • GMaddox

          Thanks for telling me what I (and anyone else who reads the paper) already knows. In short, I’ll believe when I see it. BTW, many of the guys you mention are, at least in the eyes of some, a “dog with fleas.” Donahoe is a great example of that. I think the Steelers won a few SBs after getting rid of him and his Buffalo teams were nothing to get excited about. Mueller went from the Saints to the UFL, which is not exactly confidence inspiring. Adding a bunch of other guys who have to say yes to Howie won’t change much. A little more critical thinking and a little less condescension might serve you well.

          • Maggie

            You also know perfectly well that these people do not have to be yes-men to Roseman. They answer more directly to Gamble, and Kelly!!. Both of those guys were pursued by the Eagles for their skill and talent. They did not come begging to Roseman. If anything it was the other way ’round. If you look at the history of successful teams in the last 50 years, the story over and over again is that their drafts were for players the COACHES wanted. Lombardi, Landry, Noll, Walsh, even Jimmie Johnson, all coveted certain players for their system and team, and then the FO’s tried to get them. Finally, the NFL is full of people who became successful the second time around. That possibly even includes scouts.

          • GMaddox

            What makes you think they want to run everything the way other teams have done it in the past? If that were the case, they would have hired a 1st class talent guy at the same time as Reid. Or, when they dumped Reid, they would have given us a real GM and let him choose the coach. I think Jeffy has a different story line in mind with how he runs this team. Which is to say that your narrative is not their narrative. As for these hires, I am all for personal and career redemption that brings us a Lombardi. Like I said, I’ll believe when I see it. For now, it looks like another cost containment strategy by Jeffy.

  • myeaglescantwin

    Why shouldn’t he get a shot?!!

    This team was 4-12,, no one should have been ‘granted’ a position (outside of Shady).
    Now coming off of a year where our pass D was again, one of the worst in the league, why in the world would we not promote competition in our secondary.

    having three corners that are pretty much even as far as skill on the outside is not a bad thing.
    We can only get better with this

  • John E. Zang

    Anyone want to make and sell Redskins merchandise? May as well take advantage of this while it lasts. It’d be nice to put a dent in their bottom line.

    • NickS1

      IF they lose their appeal, sure. Can’t do anything until that happens, though.

      • Jerry Pomroy

        Problem is that they were warned after their first submission to drop the term “redskin” for its derogatory nature. And what did Snyder do? He resubmitted with the name “Washington Redskin Potatoes”, as if to throw the middle finger at the government and federal patent office. He also tried to bribe the Native Americans reminiscent of the past when they were offered shoddy deals for land. Low blow. Snyder needs to just go about this in a much better manner. I mean how would his Jewish community feel if he tried to name the team the Washington K_kes? Probably wouldn’t go over well. Point made, just change the effing name already.

        • NickS1

          I respectfully disagree. It’s being forced on us as a real issue by the media when it’s simply a distraction from real problems with the country. Very few people cared 5, 10, 20 years ago, and while more care now, they’re only “caring” now because they’re being forced to. And, maybe I’m off here, but I feel like “K_ke” probably carries a little more derogatory weight than “redskin”.

          • Jerry Pomroy

            I’m part Blackhawk so I do care. While I’m not going to be radical & protesting outside the stadium, I do find Snyder’s antics to be even more disrespectful than the term itself. That’s my problem with it and with him.

          • NickS1

            Ah, okay. Well obviously you have a different perspective on it than I do, and I certainly hope I didn’t offend. Far from my intent, so, sorry if I did. My perspective is based from friends I have that are Sioux, and really don’t care. One even worked for them…. I can certainly agree that Snyder isn’t handling it the best, but does he ever? My point was that many of the people who claim to care, really have never cared about it before and are claiming to now because it’s being thrown in their face as wrong. Where were they 5 and 10 years ago? 20 years ago? And the congressional/presidential commentary weighing in on the subject is all for show because that kind of real time news distracts people from what they’re really doing in DC (aside from playing bad football).

          • Jerry Pomroy

            No worries. Like I said, I do find the term redskin offensive. But honestly, I won’t be leading a crusade over it. However, it’s the way Snyder has reacted that I find makes the situation much, much more offensive. That’s why I said if the tides were turned and the team was named using a “lesser” Jewish slur I’m sure the name would’ve been changed immediately. Personally I think the league owners need to step up and force Snyder’s hand before the league gets a black eye.

          • NickS1

            I don’t disagree with you. I think the patent decision, however long it goes on, may be a crucial factor in that collective hand being forced. As the franchise is one of the most valuable in sports with a large and loyal fanbase bigger than most others in the NFL, I think the owners are treading carefully due to the kickbacks they all get from merchandising. I truly think they’re scared to re-brand the franchise due to fear of lost revenues from a re-branding. While the history that so many fans love isn’t “lost”, it effectively is in the eyes of many of the fans, and such sentiments typically trickle into purchased merchandise. I think a good case study would be the now Charlotte Hornets and the effect going back to the Hornets name has had on overall franchise value and merchandising. It’s a reverse case, but will certainly be a worthwhile study, and I’d bet all owners in American sports are paying close attention to it. Obviously doesn’t make anything right for those offended, but certainly could offer a glimpse into the mindset of not just Snyder, but all of the owners.

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  • AJ Race

    think about what kelly said nolan has good length for what we want from an outside corner…there’s a reason boykin is stuck in the slot

    • peteike

      Not really, hes also said measurables arent everything in other cases. Im still not buying he has zero shot to play outside. Plenty of time yet to see how this plays out.