Wake-Up Call: On Some Money Matters

Eagles QB Nick Foles talks to WR Desean Jackson during the Eagles-Cowboys game. 10/20/13
Now seems like a good time for a little cap clarity.

The 2012 draft class will be eligible for new contracts at the end of the season, and that’s a pretty big deal for the Eagles. Their philosophy is to identify the key young players, invest in them, and build out from there. The ’12 group consists of Fletcher Cox, Mychal Kendricks, Nick Foles and Brandon Boykin. That’s a big part of the projected core moving forward, and includes a Pro Bowl quarterback that could be in line for a monster raise.

Howie Roseman recently suggested that releasing DeSean Jackson was financially-driven in part, and that tough decisions like that have to be made in order to build the team properly.




But was it really necessary?  Were there alternatives? What kind of money will Foles command? And what type of financial shape is the team in overall? For answers, we called on former agent and salary cap expert Joel Corry.

This is what we learned:

-- The Eagles are sitting on a little over $20 million of cap room for 2014.

-- They added approximately $6 million of cap space this season by releasing Jackson.

-- Even with Jackson on the roster, they would have the eighth most cap space in the NFL this season ($14.25 million).

-- Leftover cap room can be rolled over to the next year. Corry estimates that, with the rollover, the Eagles could have anywhere from $25 to $30 million in cap space for next season (assuming the league cap number increases at a similar rate as it did this past year). If Jackson remained on the roster in 2015, that number would dip to $9-14 million.

-- That's a noticeable difference. However, the Eagles could have held onto Jackson for this season and released him prior to the '15 campaign. That would have given them $8 million in relief for next season, upping their total cap room to approximately $17-22 million.

-- There are other ways to create financial flexibility. Below is a list of players that the Eagles could consider moving on from after the season and the cap space that would be created for '15, according to Corry.

Name
Potential cap relief
Trent Cole$8.425 million
DeMeco Ryans$6.9 million
Cary Williams$6.5 million
Brent Celek$4.8 million
James Casey$4 million
Todd Herremans$2.8 million
Total$33.425

Add a few of those contracts together, and all of a sudden you're talking about a healthy amount of financial relief. There's a decent chance they'll need it.

-- Foles' contract runs through the 2015 campaign, but the Eagles may try to lock him in after this season when he becomes eligible.  If he finds a high level of success again this year, they'll have to pay a handsome sum. Corry believes that Foles could end up in Jay Cutler territory. The Bears' signal-caller recently inked a seven-year, $127 million deal that includes $54 million guaranteed.

"I'm not saying you have to go seven years, but you have to go 18 [per season] on the average," said Corry. "Now to get in the game with quartertbacks, you're going to have to go 18 million per season and close to 50 million in guarantees. [Colin] Kaepernick should get done before  training camp starts. That's going to be another benchmark Foles is going to point to. And I can't see that number coming in below Cutler. He wants $20 million per season...I wouldn't be surprised if he gets it. That's just going to be another data point to add to the equation to help Foles."

Factor  in possible raises for Cox, Boykin and Kendricks -- as well as the demands of the '13 class coming right behind them -- and the space can get eaten up pretty quickly.

Assuming Roseman intends on locking up the majority of the core players from '12 and beyond, is there merit to the argument that they had to move on from Jackson?

"From a cap standpoint? Next year, yes," said Corry. "This year? No."

WHAT YOU MISSED

The Eagles inked Jordan Matthews to a four-year contract, leaving Marcus Smith as the lone rookie in need of a deal.

All you need to know about the OTAs, which got underway yesterday.

"We do have a lot of new things that teams are going to start stealing.” The Eagles' plan when the secrets get out.  

WHAT THEY'RE SAYING

Vinny Curry is anxious to make an impact, according to the team's website.

"I'm trying to find my place and my role to make this defense better," he said. "I know the assignments now and I have a better understanding of what the defense is all about. I feel like I held my own last year and I improved as I went along. I watched a lot of film and feel like I got better.

"Now I'm ready to take it up a notch. I approached the offseason that way. I believe that good things come to those who wait and I'm a good teammate. When I get in there, it's my job to provide a spark. I want people to say, 'Vinny Curry helped the team win.' The only thing you can do is improve and improve every day, and that's what I'm doing."

Jimmy Kempski lists Trent Cole versus Marcus Smith as one of his top camp battles.

It feels like the ROLB job is Marcus Smith's in 2015, with Trent Cole keeping it warm until Smith is 'ready.' I sure hope that's not the way Smith and the Eagles see it. Smith is a 1st round draft pick, and while Cole picked up the position as the 2013 season progressed, he remains an imperfect fit. This job should absolutely be one to watch. Frankly, it would be highly concerning if Smith couldn't at least push Cole hard for this spot, which Brandon Graham could not do a year ago.

COMING UP

OTAs continue at the NovaCare Complex.

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  • Dominik

    I’m no cap guru, but I believe the rollover is the reason Jackson got cut (financially speaking) this year. Howie likes to play with that. As long as you’re always (let’s say) 10 mio under YOUR cap, you can always invest more money than the other teams. That should help keeping Foles, Boykin, Cox etc.

    And I have to say, I hope Corry is wrong about Foles salary. I know that you have to pay your QB, but 18 mio average? If Foles gets re-signed after next year, after playing 16 games, he has two years as starter under his belt (if you add the games he started from ’12 and ’13). Of course, since he showed great promise, you can’t sign him for 8 or 10 millions. But 18? I hope it’s more around 14-16. Kaepernick lead his team to the Superbowl and the CCG. He played very good in the Playoffs (not nearly as good during the RS, though). With all due respect to Foles, Playoff wins are something different than (incredibly good) RS performances.

    • NickS1

      Cutler’s contract is his best leverage. Dude got 18mil/season, he can’t stay healthy, and I don’t think he’s won a playoff game. If Foles kills it this year again, it’s very likely. Only reasons to hold out hope for less is that Foles 1) knows it takes a team to win and eating the cap won’t help that and, 2) he has one more year of his 3rd round rookie deal $ if he can’t reach a deal nex offseason.

      • Dominik

        You’re absolutely right, they need to take what they can. What COULD help is that Foles comes from a wealthy family, apparently. Brady signed under his value for this reason, not only because he’s a good teammate and wants to win, but because he CAN from a financial standpoint.

        You can’t blame guys who aren’t financially secured for life for wanting as much as they can get. On the other hand, you can’t expect Foles to be a Samaritan just because his family has the money. It’s not objectionable if you want to be independent from that.

        • ICDogg

          I’m sure he’ll want to get a good payday, but it helps that he is not money-obsessed like so many players are.

        • cliff henny

          one advantage too is he’s 24, or whatever, young. you can roll dice with 7 or 8 years, huge bonus spread out and slowly escalate money from 15 to 20m, since cap is increasing faster than his contract. it’s probably the best time to have to sign franchise qb.

        • TNA

          Foles’ socioeconomic background has nothing to do with his contract. If anything, it means he’ll be smarter in negotiations and understand his market value as a member of the Eagles relative to being a member of another team.
          There is a similarity between this core and the Phillies core that may lead to a golden age for the Eagles. However, where the Phillies golden age was driven by its players such as Utley and Rollins in their prime, the Eagles are hopefully entering an age where excellence is driven by the organization as a whole.
          The worst thing you can do as a cap restricted NFL team is place a whole lot of eggs in one basket no matter how good that player is because you can’t win with one player…this isn’t the NBA.

          • Andy124

            What COULD help is that Foles comes from a wealthy family, apparently.


            Foles’ socioeconomic background has nothing to do with his contract. If anything, it means he’ll be smarter in negotiations and understand his market value as a member of the Eagles relative to being a member of another team.

            Notice how Dominik realizes he’s not psychic and puts COULD in all caps. TNA then seems to think he knows exactly how Foles thinks and speaks with absolute authority.

            Either scenario is completley possible, and we’ll never know exactly how it played out, ’cause they sure as hell aren’t going to tell us. The only unreasonable scenario is the one where somebody thinks they know how Foles background will or will not affect negotiations.

          • Richard Colton

            I would say that’s true, if Foles is planning to negotiate for himself, which he isn’t. Honestly, there’s a lot of wishful thinking and grasping at straws today. Foles isn’t going to take less money because his family is wealthy or because he’s a nice kid. Did Peyton or Eli? He isn’t going to concede that he’s a product of a system. No one ever has.

            The only advantage we have in terms of salary negotiation is that we can lock him up early. Other than that, it will be completely market driven. Don’t you think?

          • Andy124

            Shades of gray Rich. I don’t think he’s going to tell his agent to sign on the cheap, and I definitely don’t think he’s going to say he’s just a product of the system. But depending on how the clientagent relationship works, I could see him instructing his agent not to play hardball, or accepting the first offer his agent deems reasonable enough to present to him. I could see them discussing their financial targets before negotiations start and Nick pointing at Stafford instead of Ryan or Flacco. Little things like that. And I could see his background playing a role in that.

            I could also see the exact scenario the TNA described.

            But like I said, it’s only the certainty that rubbed me wrong. Haven’t had my morning tea. :)

          • shady25

            Will definitely be market driven but I don’t think he is the type of guy that’s going to say well if Cutler got 18 mil per season, then I want 18.5 million. Actually, I think that is part of the culture that the Eagles are trying to build now. Kelce could have waited and got PAID, but he doesn’t care.

            I think a lot of these guys will take a little less to stay. Cox isn’t a superstar, Kendricks isn’t a superstar, Boykin isn’t either. I think they will be paid fairly though and the Eagles won’t try to jerk them.

            Boykin’s situation is a little different though. I think he will get paid like an outside corner, but not like Sherman, Revis or Peterson.

          • Richard Colton

            Yeah, I normally agree with just about everything you say Shady, but I think you’ve got this one wrong. Look at the Brees deal. There wasn’t a bigger hometown pro-New Orleans guy than Drew. Did he take the hometown discount?

            These guys are going to want to be paid the market rate. And it’s completely OK for them to expect it. Banner (ughh) showed us how useful it can be to lock up players as early as possible, but other than a little flexibility there, they’re going to get what they get.

            This idea that the Eagles will accept less because we’ve somehow drafted a crop of warrior monks who only care about winning and smoothies is a fun fantasy. But that’s all it is, a fantasy.

            And yes, I think you’re 100% right about Boykin.

          • cliff henny

            yeah, the only discount Eagles should get is maybe paying 15m instead of 18m, cause he get’s out of 700k 4th year. teams can play hardball and use franchise and transition tags, but that sort of like buying a car after leasing it, about the most expensive way. really shouldnt be that hard to sign drafted players to 1st extension, now that 2nd one, that’s where it will get dicey.

          • Richard Colton

            Honestly, its a great problem to have, cause – you know – franchise QB.

          • cliff henny

            yup, it’s like a guy complaining about too many hot women hitting on him

          • Andy124

            Screw that guy.

          • NickS1

            It gets frustrating. Sometimes I just want a cool girl to hit on me that isn’t as dumb as a doorknob.

          • shady25

            I believe they will all be fairly compensated by the Eagles and not get low balled. I would not except a hometown discount either. I’m all for football players getting all you can because contracts aren’t guaranteed. For instance, I think Riley Cooper received a decent deal based on what he will do in the future because that damn sure wasn’t for what he did in the past.

            So I think the Eagles won’t be cheap about it and I don’t expect these guys to take the first low offer they receive either. I am starting to believe what Howie says about building a family with home grown players. It started a couple of years ago when he extended Trent Cole, Herremans and Desean. So I think that will continue. I don’t think any of our players will pull any stunts about contract negotiations either. I don’t think they will pull a Darrelle Revis and try to hold out and break the bank.

            The other names to add to that list are Vinny Curry, Cedric Thornton and Bradley Fletcher.

          • JofreyRice

            yeah, a lot of people thinking Foles will just say “aw shucks, just pay me what you think I’m worth”. Not gonna happen.

          • Andy124

            We all know that’s not realistic Jofrey. More like, “Aw shucks, just pay me what you think I’m worth, Mr. Roseman”.

          • TNA

            Just to nip this in the bud three hours later…I usually craft responses with more nuance, but clearly also didn’t have my morning tea. So yes, you’re right that it’s unreasonable that I or anybody else (including Foles) knows how Foles’ background will or will not affect negotiations. So…good post. thanks for calling me out on this.

          • Adam G

            David Lee comes from a VERY wealthy family, wealthier than Foles, and as soon as he was a FA he booked for the highest contract. That’s the one athlete I can think of that is similar to Foles.

        • Kev_H

          Brady isn’t the primary breadwinner in his house. Whatever he brings in is fun money.

    • cliff henny

      kelly, in his college days, said that he thinks these 100m qb contracts are crazy. wonder if his tune has changed since joined NFL. i do think most of them are, cant pay Rodgers, Brees, Manning enough, but the Staffords Bradford Romo’s Ryans Cutlers of the worlds, think being overpaid can be argued.

      • Dominik

        I’m with you on that. There are 4 premium QBs in Manning, Brady, Rodgers and Brees. If you give them anything, they will carry you on their back. But after those four, there is a HUGE drop off. I don’t think you should have too much confidence in Stafford or Cutler to carry your team over the top. They just aren’t THAT good.

        But with QBs, there’s as obvious an demand surplus as you’ll find. You can’t win without a QB in the NFL. There are around 20 starting caliber QBs (and that’s a nice assumption, could be less) with 32 teams who want one. That drives the price to those ridicioulus contracts for Ryan, Stafford et al.

        Can’t really blame the GMs, it’s better to have a pretty good QB than to have no QB. But you’re paying those pretty good QBs money only superstars should get. As long as there isn’t a way to win constantly without a good QB, you’ll always see that.

        • cliff henny

          in the end, not terribly worried about Foles’ contract. Eagles could write a 5yr 100m today and it wouldnt effect anything. Howie and Kelly were smart, they’ve prepared sal cap a year early. not like a bunch of these teams that are scrambling to find space when it’s time to pay qb.

          • anon

            B/c of our crazy drafts in 2010 / 2011 i think we have more cap space than usual, especially b/c we have a system for getting FAs cheap (injured guys, poor tacklers, people who don’t fit their current system), but if we give everyone nice deals like we’ve been giving that will change b/c we have at least 2 draft classes where everyone needs $$.

          • cliff henny

            there’s a huge advantage of signing own picks, can get them out of rookie contract year early, that gives inherent discount. in sal cap world, going to be some tough decisions. like Kendricks, if he doesnt pop this yr, or cox being 3-4 DE they simply dont make what 4-3 end make i could see where it’s his choice to move on-not pulling for it. rather have issue of trying to figure out how to get too many good players under contract, especially since Howie’s really good at writing contracts.
            .
            where all this rollover and increasing salary cap helps. eagles get to spend 110% of cap, and are targeting guy who should be open for hometown discount. like Boykin, know alot think he’ll leave. maybe, but it’s heck of a risk playing out that 4th yr rookie wage at 700k when Howie’s slid a 4 yr 16m with 8m guaranteed across the table.

          • Richard Colton

            This story was tailor made for you Cliff.

          • cliff henny

            ha, some newer voices are pretty good with cap talk too

          • anon

            All depends on how next year goes. Foles is a Qb, if $$ isn’t where I want it to be — just play the following year and threaten to hit FA. Teams will literally throw $$ at him.

            Boykin, Cox, Curry, Graham maybe Kendricks I see as being gone.The first three b/c i think they can get paid more elsewhere — that’s why you see us loading up on DL. Kendricks will depend on play this year — i think he’ll get an offer but it won’t be great if he doesn’t flip that switch.

          • cliff henny

            all 5? doubt that. way new CBA is structured, if teams want and player shows it before 4th year (cooper for example didnt), it’s set up to get 2nd contract with drafting team. now, it might only be a 2yr Howie prove it special.

          • Andy124

            I call that, ‘Pulling a Flacco’

          • JAMIN67

            No way all of them are gone. Graham…yes, definitely. Curry…likely, depending on his role this year. Cox…maybe. Boykin…probably not; I think we’ll pay him well. Kendricks…doubt it, highly unlikely he goes anywhere.

          • Jarrod

            None of those players can leave on their own. They are all under rookie contracts through end of 2015 season. So if they want to gamble 1 year at a lower rate to try and test FA in 2016 they can but the Eagles will likely offer all of them a reasonable raise to sign a year early.

            I can see Boykin, Cox, Curry and Graham (think he’s gone before season starts) leaving because they think they can get better deals elsewhere, but unless Kendricks plays lights out and Eagles low ball him I think he’s an Eagle for another 5 years.

            I hope the Eagles give Boykin and Cox reasonable deals and they stay. I think Curry is a long shot though with all the DL’s they have brought in.

          • Clamdigger

            Huh? Cox was never a 4-3 end, he was a DT. Suh makes more than a lot of 4-3 ends. JJ Watt is a 3-4 end and I guarantee you he’ll get paid.

          • Adam G

            Cox is a different situation because of his 5th year option. Would be around 6 mil I think. You cannot lump him in with other guys because Eagles have less incentive to lock him up longterm when they control him through 2016 and even 2017 if franchised.

          • JofreyRice

            ha ha, a “system” of getting bums!

          • Richard Colton

            not as easy as it sounds. you have to work pretty hard to come away from a weekend with: an elderly Canadian firefighter, a 2nd round/UFA from Temple, and a 4th round kicker.

            Not to mention Curtis Marsh, mostly because he should never be mentioned for any reason.

      • JofreyRice

        yo Cliff, I remember reading something about that, too. Do you happen to know the source? I can’t find the actual comment anywhere.

        • cliff henny

          was years ago he said it, feeling like OC days at Oregon. sure I read it over at fishduck, one of the pdf’s. read that site cover to cover last spring. not sure he was 100% serious, more that couple guys are worth it, but not all of them, and his system should be great equalizer.

          • Anebriated

            possibly the pdf from the conference where he taught other coaches about his methods? I also remember hearing it but can’t find it.

          • JofreyRice

            ok, thanks!

      • Anebriated

        Well if you look at the premise of Chip’s “system” its spread the field to run the ball and mix in quick passes. You generally dont need an All-Pro QB to do that however much like Andy’s system it can make a QB look much better.

        • cliff henny

          it’d be crazy advantage if Kelly can win with rookie salary qb, but that sounds like ‘perfect world’ not real world. Foles throws up another season like last, Howie and CHip don’t have secure college jobs, taking heck of a risk letting Foles walk.

          • Anebriated

            I agree, its probably not something that is sustainable in the NFL world but look at his track record. He constantly made it work at the college level while rarely able to get the top recruits. There is something to be said for finding the “right” players as opposed to the “best” players.

    • anon

      Tell that to Tony Romo, Jay Cutler, etc. There will be a lot of benchmarking to go buy, RW will get paid, Kap will get paid, Cam Newton will get paid. We can’t blow foles all day and then be surprised that we have to give him +$20mm/year. – he’s got a wife now and an agent that wants to give other clients a reason to sign w/ him.

    • Kev_H

      Your QB salary calibration is off. Prior to current CBA unproven players would break the bank and set the salary standards. Proven QBs in their mid twenties are the most valuable asset in the sport.

    • Clamdigger

      Kaepernick is not a $20m QB and I’ll laugh if they pay him close to that.

    • JofreyRice

      eh, what’s the difference, if he’s the guy? It seems like Sheil runs down 22 mil of room they have right now, and Corry outlines another ~30 mil that can be added through cuts of old guys. If QB’s drive the league, and the league wants to keep growing, they’ll move the caps up at the same rate the salaries are growing. The Eagles will never spend outlandishly, so I don’t think there’s much to worry about.

    • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

      Except 2 things. 1, 18m salary is not 18m cap hit; plus an 18m cap salary will look smaller against a bigger cap # overall. Closer to a current 14-16m deal in today’s numbers. 2, Kaep is on a better team with a tremendous defense, and came into a stable coaching environment and scheme. Foles will earn what he earns on merit, not comparison. And of course all.this assumes he plays excellent this year.

      We should be so lucky to have a 3rd rd pick become our next franchise qb. If that is truly the case, pay the man!!!

      • Dominik

        “We should be so lucky to have a 3rd rd pick become our next franchise qb. If that is truly the case, pay the man!!!”

        There is no doubt about that. Having to discuss an 18m deal for a QB is 100 times better than to talk about drafting a QB.

        I have to admit, though, that I’m a little bit scared to hand the keys completely over to Foles. If you pay a guy 18m, he’s your starter for the next 7 years or so. It looks good right now, but Foles could turn out to be Stafford and Cutler and I don’t know if you’ll win a Superbowl with a QB like that (and not a great, Seattle like Defense, which we’ll never have, it’s not CKs DNA).

        I love Foles as our QB at the moment, but two full seasons are a small sample size. If you have a pretty good QB for ten years, it’s better than to have no QB. Again, no doubt about that. But paying 100$ for a 20$ bottle of wine scares me in the Salary cap age.

        To sum up: It’s the fear for permanent mediocrity, I guess. Mediocrity is way better than losing (can’t say that enough), but it could be not good enough. Problem is that you’re stuck with it.

  • NickS1

    Sean Lee done for the season. Dallas done for the season.

    • Dominik

      It’s such a freaking shame that they got to keep Marinelli, who had a chance to become DC for Lovie Smith and the Buccs, if I remember correctly. That guy is a magician and can make his D-Line work.

      Without him and that mess of a front seven, I think they’d be able to break some *worst* records. Maybe they still do, but we know first hand how important position coaches can be.

      • evanphilly

        Think Marinelli will be able to overcome the loss of Lee, Hatcher and Ware? The loss of talent will catch up to them.

        • cliff henny

          unless he can magically walk on water today, no. that will be historically awful defense, maybe ever. i have no idea where Dallas fans get off saying Ware is toast. Dallas started off strong, they were 5-2 i think, and Ware was playing very good ball. as he got nicked, that’s when defense turned. sure, by end of season he wasnt ’10 Ware, but that defense had above average player for almost half a season, and ended up historically terrible. imagine replacing him with troubled rookie, still have safeties that make ealges’ ’11 crew look good, 4 unproven coming off injury DL and now no Lee.

          • evanphilly

            Even at 5-2 this D was on a terrible pace to set some records as it was. Going to be very interesting this year down in Dallas. Things start going south quickly, we are going to start reading about and hearing about the possibility of the Cowboys being able to land Winston.

          • Tikkit

            Sweet, go ahead and take Vince Young 2.0. Another Jerruh fail.

          • Sum

            That’s a pretty ridiculous comparison. Those two are NOTHING alike as players.

          • Tikkit

            I don’t know, it works pretty well for me, especially in the intelligence end of things. Sidearm, scrambling QB’s who do dumb things? Yep.

          • Andy124

            But their passing number aren’t in the same universe. Even comparing Winston’s freshman year to Young’s last year.

          • Tikkit

            That’s fine. I’m not referring to passing numbers merely that they seem to be built from the same cloth: Scrambling, Sidearm, and Dumb.

          • Brandon Boykin, LOL

            Well I stand corrected. This is the dumbest post I’ll read today.

          • Tikkit

            Just a quick question:
            Are Winston and Young both sidearm QB’s?
            Are they both scramblers?
            Are both of them pretty infamous now for doing stupid things off the field including alleged rape, lock out loans that had huge interest rates attached, stealing, and excessive parties that wasted their millions?
            Why is my flip comment so terribly difficult for people to understand? Give an honest rebuttal and I’ll happily stop talking about it!

          • Andy124

            Are you comparing the people or the quarterbacks? Quarterbacks are primarily defined by their passing ability. If you accept that point, and it doesn’t seem like you do, all evidence suggests that their passing ability is not close, then it’s a poor comparison. Even if they have other traits in common, the most important one is worlds different.

            I’m not worked up over it or anything. As you said, it’s just a flip comment. I just objectively disagree with it.

          • Tikkit

            Totally respected. I’m just pointing to a couple of thing they share as quarterbacks and people. It’s not meant to be a dissection of stats or ability. The sidearm comment refers to motion. The scrambling refers to, well, the fact that they both shared this trait. The dumb, which I would imagine is what people get upset by, refers to the fact that both of them just seem super immature and do dumb stuff that, in Winstons case, may cause him to have a VY like career arc.
            I don’t think he’ll make a great NFL QB on this intangible.

          • Brandon Boykin, LOL

            Honest rebuttal.

            1) Jameis Winston is not a sidearm QB. 1:00, 1:34, and 2:03.

            2) Jameis Winston is not a scrambler. Is he running around in the pocket? Yes. But so do Tony Romo (I apologize everyone), Ben Roethlisberger, and Aaron Rodger. Are they scramblers too? See times above and same video.

            3) Alleged rape. Any charges? Lockout loans. Where are Jameis’? Or proof that he has taken out loans? Stealing. Got me here. But how many of us haven’t walked away from a restaurant or hotel with a souvenir? If you haven’t, I applaud you. Excessive parties that wasted their millions? I’m not even going to address the non-similarities here.

            4) That is why you flip comment is terrible. It’s why you don’t understand that is so difficult for people to understand.

            Not every black QB that has running ability and receives some negative press is comparable. Crucify me for “bringing race into it,” but that’s really the only way they’re comparable. If you want to argue that point, I suggest you read Brandon Boykin, LOL points 1-3 and watch that video again.

            Now honor your agreement and please “happily stop talking about it!”

          • Tikkit

            Dude, clearly I’m pissing you off and that wasn’t my intention.
            As for the black QB comment, keep it to yourself, there was nothing in my comments that had anything to do with that.

          • Brandon Boykin, LOL

            I’m not mad, I just wanted to show you how many ways you were wrong. I apologize if I came off as being angry.

            As for black QBs, you read what I said. That’s really the only way they’re comparable. Do not put this on me for supposedly being pissed off. They have completely different styles as I attempted to show.

          • Tikkit

            I watched the whole video and the throws you pointed to were more overhand. I also apologize if I offended.

          • Brandon Boykin, LOL

            After rereading what I wrote, I did attack quite a bit. I apologize as well. And I’ll attempt to rally us back together by simply saying…

            Go Eagles!

          • Kushan Patel

            This. Folks, after you’re finished typing, take a moment and reread your comment from the top before actually posting. You’d be surprised how you “seem” to yourself and will end up editing it to be more appropriate.

            Props to you for being aware!

          • NickS1

            Interested to see what happens to his stock when he’s not being bailed out by Big Catch Benjamin.

          • Andy124

            Agreed. But the way FSU recruits, he may just have another stud to step right in. I’m not familiar with their roster.

            Then once the draftnicks put the spotlight on him and start looking for flaws, who knows what that does to the public assessment of his draft stock.

            He’s a redshirt right, so he’s eligible to come out after next year.

          • NickS1

            Me neither. Not a big college football guy, but can’t stand FSU, so I can’t speak to what’s coming in either. The spotlight will be on him regardless, so we’ll see what happens. It’s basically between him and Mariotta for next year.

          • Andy124

            Yup. But really, the league doesn’t care. It’s just counting the days until Hackenberg is eligible. :)

          • Brandon Boykin, LOL

            Well, I’m ready to anoint this the dumbest post I’ll read today.

        • Dominik

          I don’t know if Marinelli will be able to overcome those losses. But if a D-Line coach can, it would be him. I would feel even better if they would have lost him, but I feel pretty good now, so it’s not that I worry too much about them. ;)

    • cliff henny

      you see video? Martin is in midseason drive blocking mode. he probably caught Lee offguard, one false move and pop-oh.

      • evanphilly

        Yeah, can’t wait to see how the NFL handles this situation. It’s supposed to be non-contact stuff going on now. I guess they could chalk it up to rookie stupidity/over-eagerness but after the Lee injury initially came out, it seemed like the Cowboys were just as worried on what the NFL was going to look into.

        • cliff henny

          what can NFLPA do? damage is done.

          • JosephR2225

            A couple years ago the Seahawks lost two days of OTAs for violating the non-contact

          • cliff henny

            thanks, was actually real question, not rhetorical. seems like slap on wrist, sure Seattle obeyed but figured a way around it. hit Dallas with a draft pick, that’ll get teams attention.

          • JosephR2225

            Yeah but it’s Dallas. They’ll just waste the draft pick anyway.

          • cliff henny

            ha. hope not, i love their ’14 draft!!! let’s see if that DeMarcus Lawrence can OTA qb hunt!

          • Tikkit

            The NFLPA got worked in the last CBA but they did get contact lessened and more time off for their players. The NFLPA can make a lot of noise about their greatest accomplishment in the CBA and try to force the NFL to punish the Cowboys.

      • anon

        I mean he’s a pro bowl MLB in the NFL, can’t expect that he’d be made of glass. That ACL was going to go at some point or another.

        • JAMIN67

          What really sucks is I believe this is the 2nd tear on the same knee. Guy is a beast when he’s healthy…just can’t stay that way.

        • JofreyRice

          I don’t know enough about that ligament, but maybe there is some kind of physiological defect about the amount of force it experiences or the thickness of the ligament, itself.

          • Anebriated

            Part of his problem is that say you have a tear in your right ACL, your left ACL becomes susceptible to injury because of natural tendencies to compensate for the injured ACL. Hes gone back and forth and both of his are weak already. It must be hell to be in that kids head worrying every time he plants his feet in the turf.

          • Reasonableeaglefan

            It gets a little tricky when you start comparing contact to non-contact injuries. If a guy has multiple non-contact injuries they usually get tagged as injury prone(which I think describes Hixon). This was reportedly, a contact injury(during non-contact drills) to an injury prone, although great, player. It’s probably impossible to make a definitive judgement from this far away with this complicated a picture.

          • JofreyRice

            Oh, I’d disagree, I think it’s DEFINITELY impossible to make a definitive judgment. I was really just spitballing–feel bad for the guy.

      • NickS1

        I haven’t. The pain from the pop is still fresh in my head from my own tear. I don’t need to go out of my way to watch the misery of others. I feel badly for him (and Hixon, who tore his again) because I like him as a player, but if it had to happen to a Cowboy…

        • cliff henny

          it’s not much, you see Martin dropping head and shoulders and Lee trying to get out of the way. Martin then falls on top and lays there for couple seconds.
          .
          hear ya about Cowboy player. most teams i can seperate fans from players, just not with Dallas. fans are just too gawd awful.

          • NickS1

            Might not be much, more than enough for me, though. Open wound still.

        • Andy124

          Yeah, Sean Lee is 100% an exception for me, and exempt from the Cowboy hate. PSU loyalty runs strong. I absolutely hate that it happened to him again. Sucks that he’s so damn injury prone.

      • Andy124

        Think Martin is going to be on the wrong end of a blanket party?

        • cliff henny

          blanket party, no…but maybe wrong end of Jerrah’s glory hole.
          .
          kid messed up, but it shouldnt have ended with Lee getting hurt. read that it was partically torn in ’10. so, like Mac, sounds like a ticking time bomb.

          • Andy124

            An image I did not need this morning. Thanks! lol

    • Tikkit

      To be fair, the Boys season was done before this happened.

  • Jim Blizzard

    Even if Foles does have a repeat of last season which is a big if, I am not sure he expects to get paid like Kaepernick. I would hope that Foles realizes he is a product of Chips system and would not have the same success if he were in a different offense.

    • Richard Colton

      Sure, players and their agents realize that all the time. I see Foles throwing for 50TDs next year and signing for Mark Sanchez money.

      • anon

        Interesting that they took Cam’s receivers away in his contract year — maybe that’s why we dumped djax :).

        • Richard Colton

          now it makes sense. clever Howie – always thinking three moves ahead.

    • Kev_H

      The main thing Foles’ agent cares about is his client’s value. If, as you say, he is a product of the system- though the system sputtered without him- and copycats want to imitate the system, wouldn’t Foles draw huge interest on the open market? In other words, do you sign a 5 year $85 million deal with the Eagles or wait a year and sign a 7 year $150 million deal with a team hoping to run a Kelly style offense? Clearly, estimates of a potential open market deal will set Foles’ salary.

    • JAMIN67

      In reality, I think Foles would be successful wherever he went, so I don’t think you can use the “he only fit’s in Chip’s system” argument. What I do think the Eagles have going for them is a team culture that a lot of guys – not all – buy into and love. Let’s face it, they want to get paid…but they also want to be a part of an organization that treats them like men; shows you they value them; and wants to win. We have that part of the equation covered more than most teams, and that’s a big plus.

      • shady25

        I agree with this. I think the players trust Howie and the front office based on his history, not Joe Banner.

      • Andy124

        I think Foles would be successful wherever he went

        I don’t know man. How many offenses out there really benefit from great decision making, accuracy and timing? I don’t see how he can succeed anywhere else with those strengths.

  • pjcostello

    How soon we all forget that the Eagles tried trading Jackson LAST offseason, too… this year they decided that if they couldn’t get anything for him, they’d dump him. But it wasn’t because of cap space.

    • anon

      700 yds does not equal 1400yds 10tds

      • Richard Colton

        We have 31 year old Darren Sproles, we’ll be fine. Speed and elusiveness are way overrated.

    • Kev_H

      Partly it was. They clearly had to cut at least two big vet contracts by 2015 to make ends meet. Then it comes down to who and when.

    • shady25

      I think it was a combination of money and size. Chip has requirements for his positions and Jackson didn’t fit. It wasn’t just a money issue because they could have easily turned his salary into a bonus to free up cap space. He just didn’t fit what Chip is looking for in a WR. And I think we all know what that is by now. It was clear in the playoff game that Keenan Lewis shut out Desean Jackson until Lewis left with a concussion. If a guy is just as fast as you, what else can you do to beat him? Have to be able to beat man coverage with more than just speed.

  • Tom W

    If they wanted to keep djax, they could’ve redone his deal w ease and made it a 7-8 mil dollar deal w 12-15 mil guaranteed for 4 yrs. they didn’t want to keep him because he isn’t what chip wants at wr position in a perfect world. Or they could’ve gotten rid of him next yr. either way. W cole and graham and Casey? Of books next yr alone that was another 17 mil. We will be fine signing everyone.

    Cox isn’t up after this yr I believe. I believe first rounders get an extra year on their contracts … So it’s after 2015 season we can talk to him. Foles, Kendricks, Boykin, curry. Only definite is foles at this point. Boykin may wanna walk, Kendricks may not take the leap or think he is worth more, and curry may move on.

    When we sign foles it will be team friendly.

    • NickS1

      Cox can be renegotiated after the season (same class as Foles et al.), but we have a little more leverage with the 5th yr option since he was our first rounder.

    • B-West

      Yeah… Expanding on Nick, first rounders have a 5th year team option built into their rookie deals. The team must decide to pick up that option prior to the start of the 4th year of player’s deal. There’s actually a set window of a couple months between the 3rd and 4th years of the rookie deals to decide on extensions or picking up the 1st round options.

      Back to first rounders… The money for that option year is set by their draft position. The salary of a top 10 pick in that option year would be the average salary of the top 10 paid players at his position. Players picked from 11-32 get a salary equal to the average of the 3rd to 25th highest paid players at his position.

      So, on Cox, that 5th year option is probably tempting because he was out of the top 10 and it’ll be cheaper. Of course, your risk pissing him off by not giving him long term security and money. For Lane, that 5th year option will be pretty expensive (top 10 pick), so its not so enticing.

      • Tom W

        Thanks. Good points. I knew there was a big difference w cox. My main point being we won’t have to fork over 16 mil guaranteed to cox next offseason or commit long term to him yet … We can wait another season while attrition of another older starter may take place like Todd celek demeco or Cary and wait to see if cox is indeed the answer and deserves big money or is content w good 3 4 end money.

      • Adam G

        That pissing off possibility just doesn’t come into play considering basically every 1st rounder had their option exercised in the 2011 draft except for a few. And we will see how eager teams are to extend these guys because not one first rounder has been extended yet, although it is early.

    • Jarrod

      All of them are under contract through 2015 (year 4 of their deals). Eagles have a 5th year option with Cox for 2016.

    • Brandon Baltic

      I don’t think they wanted to keep djax even at 7-8 mil. Maybe at 5-6 mil I’m thinking but they probably knew he wouldn’t go for that.

  • B-West

    Rookie contract extensions…. What happens to the 4th year? Is it rolled into the extension, and thus the player starts making bigger money in year 4? Or is the 4th year still on the rookie wage scale, and then the extension kicks in at the start of year 5?

    • cliff henny

      bigger money. it’s set up so drafting teams have huge advantage in resigning drafted talent. think guy like Boykin will play out 4th yr at 700k when there’s a 4yr 16m with 8m guaranteed sitting on table? maybe, but i sure wouldnt

      • B-West

        Right, it makes a lot more sense that way. Thanks. Maybe more importantly, agents won’t want to play out one more year of rookie wage scale. Players will be getting pressured from all angles to sign extensions, even if they are slightly below market.

        • cliff henny

          yup, playing out contract is really rolling dice. the issue is if they pull a Cooper and dont show it before 4th yr. way Howie has cap set up with this rollover, is Eagles can spend 110% of the cap, still move money to next season so they can continuously spend above set cap. then, target drafted player for the big money contracts, who should take discount to get out of rookie contracts early, say 90%. it’s smart, long as they keep drafting well.

  • Andy124

    Regarding Foles’s payday, it obviously depends on his performance this year. So if Foles goes for 4,000 yds, 35tds, 12int and a playoff win, then what?

    If Foles goes for 3,700 yds, 30tds, 15int and no playoff win, then what?

    • shady25

      And the good thing is I don’t think Foles really cares. I think he will be successful again and he’ll get paid but I don’t think he is trying to break the bank. Seems like the kind of guy that will take less just to keep the core intact.

      They also need to consider Maclin’s new deal. I think that will get done at some point during the season.

      • Andy124

        I remember hearing a rule about 1-year contracts that they can’t be extended until FA. Anybody know details on that? My imagination? Another sport?

        Also, there’s further conversation below about the potential of Foles taking less, or not.

        • shady25

          Yeah I noticed the Foles conversation below after I posted.

          If that’s true about the 1 year contacts then why did Howie and Maclin say they were going to work on something long term during the season? Maybe it’s just for players that are new to the team, like Donnie Jones this past summer.

          • NickS1

            Pretty sure that it is for the guys who are new to a team.

          • Jarrod

            I think it is players who are signed to a one year contract at the veteran’s minimum cannot be negotiated until free agency. All others (e.g. Foles, Maclin) can be discussed prior to that.

    • Dpick

      If he goes 3,700, 30, 15 and no playoff win…Franchise Nick @ 19 mill. and draft Mariota.

      • Eagles1018

        No

      • myeaglescantwin

        so.. you want us to pull a Washington and mortgage the entire future (most likely 3 first rounders +) to get Mariota??

        seems dangerous to me.
        i’d sooner take the Seattle approach and build a team around the running game. add weapons on D and then fit a “system” QB in.

      • Ark87

        We actually don’t have to do anything, Nick is under contract with the birds, he just becomes eligible for a pay raise after this season. If we want him to be our franchise QB we pay him, if we aren’t sure and want to draft someone to compete with, we let him play out his rookie contract and compete.

    • Kev_H

      I don’t think it is as nuanced as that. The Eagles have been a QB based operation and whether it was McNabb, Kolb, or Vick they paid their guys like franchise QBs. With Foles, if they see him as the franchise QB going forward, they’ll pay him like one. If he gets hurt or flops, they still have him until 2015 so they can re-boot and re-assess. It’s not sound management to base a long commitment on the normal fluctuations of short term results.

      • Andy124

        Yes and No. Barring a flop, yes, they pay him like a franchise QB in either of the scenarios I presented. But there are a wide range of salaries that can be considered ‘paid like a franchise QB’, and his salary within that range depends largely on his 2014/15 performance.

        Looking at over the cap, I see guys ‘paid like a franchise QB’ with cap hits anywhere from 15 to 20 million, and salaries anywhere between 11 and 23 million. And the market inches up every year.

        • Kev_H

          Was just driving around and heard Rich Gannon and Bruce Murray debating an Alex Smith/Chiefs extension. They illustrated that there is no “second-tier” franchise QB market in terms of pay (by listing all the QBs and contracts). A guy either is one and is paid like one, or isn’t. So the underlying assumption to their debate was that $17 million per year is a “cost of doing business” if you have your QB. The debate was whether Alex Smith is that guy. Gannon said yes. Murray felt there are guys out there like Schaub who can give you almost as much at less than half the cost.

          I think the culture is that the QB is “the man” needed to be successful and if ownership finds their “man”, they are happy to signal through contract and salary that their “man” is as good as anyone else’s. In the Chiefs/Smith debate, it is seen as a matter of direction, identity and stability (renew Smith and pay him like “the man”) or lack of those things (pick someone else who can be almost as good for less).

          As I mention above, the Eagles’ SOP (from Lurie) is pursue stability and publicly be 100% behind their coaches and QBs. I think Lurie feels like it is worth it to pay/overpay in that area to create a winning environment.

          • Andy124

            That doesn’t jive with the real world. Average salaries for franchise quarterbacks range from 14.6 million to 22 million. That average factors in signing bonuses.

            And the cap hits for your franchise guys run from 14.8 million to 20.4 million.

            To assert that there is essentially one set price for a franchise quarterback flies in the face of the actual data.

            The most common guesses for Nick’s next salary as far as I can tell, run from 16 to 19 million. That’s a large range, and the entire range represents franchise quarterback type money.

            http://overthecap.com/top-player-salaries-cap.php?Position=QB&Year=2014

          • Kev_H

            You might be right, but they accounted for any differences by noting when the contracts were signed, that they are increasing and expecting them to have a $17-$18 million AAV as a floor going forward, which I think is reasonable.

          • Andy124

            True. It’s important to factor in when the contracts were signed, and I haven’t done that. I don’t know a source to make that easy.

            But according to http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2013/7/10/4508042/nfl-free-agency-quarterback-deal-2013-matthew-stafford-joe-flacco-tony-romo
            there were 4 franchise type contracts signed just last year and even they ranged from 17 to 20 million.

            I think that range will hold true. There is comfortably a 3 million dollar range for a franchise quarterback in any single year, and that could be stretched out even further since each negotiation is unique.

    • JofreyRice

      I think the only way his contract #’s are drastically different is if he ends up looking like a low level starter–like 20 TDs/17 INTs–and ends up feeling pressure from Sanchez/Barkely (ha ha).

      I think either of the scenarios you listed would still mean he’s satisfied the threshold for “franchise” QB, and will be paid accordingly. I think at that point, the #’s would all be in the same neighborhood.

      Now, if he comes out and betters his #’s from last year, which is hard to imagine, like…40 TD’s and 3 ints and 70% completion percentage to go along with playoff wins–looking like the best thing since Aaron Rodgers–then maybe he gets into that upper-upper echelon of QBs.

  • Eagles1018

    Well according to the cap numbers the draft makes a lot more sense. They’re gonna look for Marcus Smith, Jaylen Watkins to push the starters. Cary Williams and Trent Cole are probably on the block. I’d love for them to try and restructure/re-negotiate Cole. He’s still good and he did get better as the season went along. Also, unless James Casey shows a much more improved output and a more involved role you gotta dump him. Especially with the expectation of Ertz being more involved.

    • Brandon Baltic

      Yeah everyone is assuming T Cole is a goner after this year but I don’t think that’s the case at all. He’s still playing at a tremendously high level so I’m envisioning a restructure similar to what Bmore did for Suggs.

  • myeaglescantwin

    No single player is worth $18 million. That is a great way to sink a franchise.

    Pull the Brady, put everything into signing bonuses. Last thing we need is a Flacco situation.

    • NickS1

      Or a Romo/Bradford/Stafford/Cutler situation. You know, guys who are overpaid but don’t win.

    • JofreyRice

      I dunno, seems like if you have a “franchise” guy, that’s just the going rate. If you have a guy like Matt Schaub or Matt Cassel, you can pay less. Otherwise, if it’s a guy that’s “proven” in any way, and not on his rookie contract, you’re paying up.

      • myeaglescantwin

        yeah, but there are “system fits” . I have no doubt that Nick’s success is directly related to Chip’s scheme.
        Chip can most likely survive without Foles, not so sure it would work the other way around.

        But still, even with the $18 million figure, the Eagles will have room to make improvements while developing the youth.
        it’s a good situation to be in right now.

        • JofreyRice

          I think that will be a tough argument to sell to Foles, but I do agree Kelly’s system is a huge contributor to Foles’ success.

          How would you feel if they told Foles to go pound sand–that essentially, it was all system, and that the Eagles were going to run it with Barkley or Sanchez?

          • myeaglescantwin

            i hear you. loud and clear.
            it’s a mutually beneficial relationship.

            i’m interested to see what Foles can do with a decent OC in back to back years. I don’t think dude played the same system in consecutive years since highschool.

          • peteike

            I would be completely irate as would most. Its all between the ears anyway, minus some of the minor athletic flaws that will always be brought up. Just need to see more to really know and if Kelly/Foles go down the road together for a long time it wont really matter who we think is more responsible, so long as they keep winning.

          • Richard Colton

            everyone knows Chip Kelly needs a running QB. Everyone.

          • JofreyRice

            It’s weird, because in the one sense, I think Kelly made Foles, but in the other, I’d be really concerned Kelly’s ego is way out of control, and he thinks his system is infallible. From where I stand right now, I’d be against it; pay that man his money. You just don’t throw away QB’s, and we saw how bad it looked with ragarm Berkley in there (I know, I know, they say his arm has FINALLY healed, and he’s got an average arm now!).

    • Adam G

      These 2nd tier QBs making 18-20 mil are franchise killers. Thing is, I just don’t see another team giving Foles that much money. The Ravens seemed to be bidding against themselves, can’t see the Eagles doing that. I would guess he gets more in the 15 mil range, but I could be wrong.

      • NickS1

        I agree with you. I’d think Howie is smart enough to know that these guys who aren’t named Peyton, Brady, Rodgers, or Brees are completely overpaid and are handicapping their teams’ resources. With how the market rate for many positions seems to have leveled out, even fallen some, I wonder how the market would react to a guy like Stafford/Ryan becoming a FA. Obviously we’ll never know, but it seems to me that all these teams who locked up their QB long term bid against themselves. While I won’t say that another team wouldn’t pay Foles top money (at least not now, after the season maybe), I also don’t think Howie is the kind of negotiator that’s going to cave to threats of losing his QB because of the possibility of hitting market a year down the road and having to bid.

        • anon

          What’s your other option — you going to try your luck in the draft? Easy way to get fired.

          Howie has stated multiple times that they love Foles — only way to show love [in sports] is through $.

          • Adam G

            The option is to not overpay. I think Howie has a real good sense of players’ markets and I don’t see him falling into that trap of panicking and signing Foles for over his market value

          • anon

            Yeah but we’re saying that “market” value exceeds “real value”. Also hard b/c replacement cost can be so unpredictalble. I’m assuming that’s why Sam Bradford continues to be employed.

          • Adam G

            If that’s the case, I could see them letting him walk if his real value is lower than his market value. There’s a serious case of winner’s curse with these low end franchise QBs. Reminds me of NBA players that get max contracts yet aren’t nearly in the same stratosphere as the top flight superstars. Wouldn’t surprise me if Chip thought he could develop any QB with talent.

          • NickS1

            “Wouldn’t surprise me if Chip thought he could develop any QB with talent.” Basically what I think, there. And if that’s the case, can’t see Howie getting backed into a corner with Foles unless Foles puts up something absolutely ridiculous this year.

          • NickS1

            If we’re talking a negotiation for next offseason, you don’t overpay and let Foles try to Flacco his way to his monster deal by riding out his 4th yr on 700k. Not like Howie has zero leverage after this season, even if Foles does put up crazy stats. Yes his leverage diminishes some, but not entirely. No one wants to play like a top 6 or 7 QB and get paid like the 35th, especially Foles’ agent.

  • dnabrice

    http://www.phillymag.com/property/2014/05/27/andy-reid-house-on-the-market/#gallery-1-17 Please look at the interior of that house……..explains so much.

    • Anebriated

      I thought the fridge would be larger

  • Andy124

    Most surprising thing I’ve heard from a player in a while, from Malcom Jenkins:

    Jenkins played against the Eagles in the 26-24 playoff loss to the Saints that ended Kelly’s first Eagles season. What were Jenkins’ impressions of the defense, from the New Orleans sideline?

    “We realized early in the game that their pass rush was something to be feared. I think they hit [quarterback Drew Brees] a couple times. So we got out of that game plan and went heavily to the run game, which I don’t think anybody expected the Saints to do,” he said.

    Lots of good stuff from him in that article over at philly dot whatever.

    • Brandon Baltic

      Eagles actually had a pretty decent 3rd down pass rush with Cole, Curry, and Cox pinning their ears back and not playing the run. It’s the early downs that were the problem.

  • robo40

    Since the Eagles intend to continue playing beyond the 2014 season, the simple answer is “yes, the move made sense for cap reasons”.

    • FMWarner

      Exactly. Even by the numbers posted, the Eagles save $8 million more on the 2015 cap by releasing Jackson now instead of the next offseason.

  • Joe from Easton
  • Mr. Wu

    damn! Foles got a big head hahaha….looks like he is wearing a Gatorade buckut on his shoulder pads

    • Max Lightfoot

      I hear you. I hope this site stops using that photo, because it’s both disturbing and frightening. Hahahaha. And what if his head keeps growing?

  • Jerry Pomroy

    Between 17-22m & 25-30m, is not chump change. That’s 8m of flexibility you have in order to sign these other guys long term. I’m sure if Foles maintains his status as becoming a top QB, that extra 8m will come in very handy. We all expect that he’ll have a drop off, but what if he doesn’t? I’m sure the INTs rise, but what if the TD/INT ratio doesn’t quite increase all that much, or the QBR or passer ratings come down but still are top 3-5? Sure it’s optimistic, but it’s not out of the realm of possibility that while his stat lines fall more in line with reality, that they also sustain at the top of the pack.

    • Brandon Baltic

      It’s actually 10m. Correy was slightly off.

      • Jerry Pomroy

        The point being that there is more money available next year with him not being here this year. That number only gets bigger when you factor in some of the contracts that either get renegotiated or cut off the cap. Whether that means they’ll sign a big name FA, remains to be seen. But they should still have the flexibility to do so.

        • Brandon Baltic

          Yup exactly. Correy doesn’t factor in signing FAs into his little analysis there.

  • damrvrhunter

    I am usually not one for prognosticating but I don’t see how the FO pays Foles anywhere close to 18 MIL a year. They will spin him as a product of the system despite his ‘flaws’ and will accordingly low ball him during extension talks. I am not sure I even disagree with that assessment of Foles and as much as I like him I think the rest of the league will agree that he is not a turn key franchise QB.

    • Jerry Pomroy

      Problem is though, the only true way of knowing that is if he actually went on to play elsewhere. I agree that Chip’s system has helped him tremendously. But I don’t think that makes him any less valuable to the Eagles themselves. I also think that he’s smart enough to realize that he’s in a good situation here and it’s in his best interests to sign the best deal he can get here within reason. Of course a lot of this hinges on his follow-up season this year.

      • peteike

        you said it, another season to add to his body of work will add to that process. If he performs at even close to same level, not sure how hes not considered a franchise QB.

  • Brandon Baltic

    Joel Correy is slightly off. If the Eagles would have held onto Jackson for this season and released him prior to the ’15 campaign their projected cap room would have been 15-20 million (not 17-22 million) for a difference of 10 million (his 2014 base salary) in cap space between cutting him now and keeping him for this season. Perhaps Joel forgot that Desean’s cap hit would have been 12 million if he was kept in 2014 (not just his 10 million base salary).

    Not sure if that changes Correy’s mind about moving on from Jackson but 10 million is pretty significant and I’m going to go ahead and trust Chip and Howie’s expertise over Joel Correy. Sorry McManus :(

    • PJ

      what has howie ever done to earn your “trust”?

  • Max Lightfoot

    To be completely honest, I don’t give a rip what they pay these players. I know all about the flexibility options, blah blah yackety schmackety, but most only play for a few years and they should try to get all they reasonably can get. All this capology is important for the players, their agents and the team but I really don’t care about the details. And I know some of you will say I should, but I don’t care. I mean what’s my input on these decisions anyway? Or yours, for that matter? Zilch, nada, el zipperino. YMMV.

  • Maggie

    Why are the writers on this blog creating whole articles about a Washington Redskins wide receiver?

  • PJ

    Assuming Roseman intends on locking up the majority of the core players from ’12 and beyond, is there merit to the argument that they had to move on from Jackson?

    “From a cap standpoint? Next year, yes,” said Corry. “This year? No.”

    so once again howie proves he has no clue what he’s doing? what else is new

  • paul from nc

    Cox, Fletcher, Foles and Boykin —- I’ll bet we don’t sign more than 2 of them.
    We need to keep that rollover churning.