What They’re Saying About the Eagles

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Here’s a roundup of what the national media are saying about the Eagles this week.

Pro Football Focus identifies Vinny Curry as the Eagles’ “Secret Superstar” for 2014.

In his 322 regular season snaps, Curry performed that role better than any 3-4 end in the NFL sans J.J. Watt. Curry registered 32 combined pressures in 217 pass rushing snaps for a Pass Rush Productivity grade of 11.6. Not only was that the second best PRP last season, but it was also the second best PRP we’ve ever seen from a 3-4 end in PFF’s seven seasons of data. To give you an idea of how crazy 32 pressures is in 217 snaps, Curry had one fewer pressure than Defensive Rookie of the Year Sheldon Richardson even though Richardson had 264 more opportunities (2.2 times as many pass rushing snaps).

That type of production is almost impossible to chalk up to being a fluke. An undersized, second-year end, playing a brand new position, was one of the most efficient interior rushers of the past seven seasons. It’s exciting to think about what could be next for Curry.

Bovada came out with some odds for the NFL season. They have the Eagles over/under win total at 9.

As for the odds to win the NFC East:   

Philadelphia Eagles                   3/2
New York Giants                       11/4
Dallas Cowboys                        13/4
Washington Redskins                4/1

Meanwhile, Sportsbook.com has Jordan Matthews at +1000 to win Offensive Rookie of the Year (h/t Bounty Bowl). Marcus Smith is +3000 to take home the defensive honors.

Jason La Canfora has former Eagles quarterbacks coach Bill Lazor, now an offensive coordinator for Miami, as one of six assistants that could be desirable head coaching candidates before long.

 Lazor has been a sponge, soaking up aspects of vastly different offensive systems through his coaching journey, including a critical juncture last season on innovative Chip Kelly’s staff with the Eagles. That helped him land the Dolphins job, and while I am not wild about the overall job security of that staff, given this is likely a make-or-break year for Joe Philbin during what has been a tumultuous tenure there, I expect Lazor’s star to continue to rise. If he can keep Ryan Tannehill on a more consistent path, it will open some eyes. Lazor has a way of connecting with quarterbacks and he was on a few team’s extended list of guys to interview for head coaching jobs a year ago. Being in the coordinator role now, dealing more with the media on a regular basis and being a little more in the limelight should help his stock.

OTAs have just begun, but so far, so good for Arrelious Benn, Adam Caplan reports.


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  • Andy

    So…why doesn’t Vinny Curry seem to be getting on the field very much in this defense?

    • JofreyRice

      He’s just not a base end in a 3-4. Check out Taylor Hart’s measurables, Geathers, or the Army Ranger they signed, as compared to Curry. Like Boykin, it’s a size thing, which I have to admit bothers me to some extent. Much was made of how Chip could adapt to the talent around him; 2012 was a nice draft–a building block to help replenish a lousy roster–but it seems like these guys are being minimized because they don’t fit Kelly’s glass slipper.

      • http://batman-news.com JudgeJudy3408

        Rice, I agree with you, it seems this is something we have to keep an eye on down the road, meaning Kelly’s glass slipper. I see Cox treated the same way sort of, I think he’s a better pass rusher than a 2 gap DE.

        • John E. Zang

          I just think in today’s NFL you need a scheme that is very pass rush oriented. I think the old steelers style of 3-4 worked for them but I think it’s kind of becoming obsolete in that aspect. I believe a versatile defensive line scheme is best where you don’t know who is going to come with the pass rush. In other words having all players on the line with pass rush ability.

          • JofreyRice

            yeah, I have to say, it worked pretty well against the run (except in the Saints game, where Payton exploited Logan on the nose & the nickel package).

            But you’re right. It’s a passing league. Seahawks showed passrush and coverage can short circuit any offense.

          • kleptolia

            Passrush and coverage can short circuit any offense, as long as the offense can’t get receivers open and a quarterback to throw to them. But once they do…look out!
            It’s sort of like special teams: if a team covers well, they should be able to tackle the kick returner. But if the other guys block well and the returner breaks a tackle, he could go all the way!
            Also, I’ve noticed that, where the offensive line is concerned, a defense with a huge nose tackle makes it difficult to run up the middle. BUT, if the offense has a big center or guard, they can sometimes create holes.
            It’s a crazy game, man!

      • OldDocRoss

        In fairness, Cox, Kendricks and Boykin are all key cogs in Kelly’s team despite not being (arguably) ideal in terms of the measurables he might look for. I’d be up for Boykin getting a shot to start outside but we were paper thin at CB last year and I don’t think we had anyone who’d have been close to competent in the slot.

        Curry’s a tough one. Hard for anyone to find a spot for him in a 3-4, but not sure I’d give up on him here quite yet.

        • John E. Zang

          I want Curry to be featured more in this scheme but if they’re just going to use him situationally until his contracts up then that probably won’t be best for either side. He’d fit perfectly in Rex Ryans D and wouldn’t be surprised if they have a close eye on him.

        • JofreyRice

          I thought Watkins played a bunch of slot at Florida?

          • OldDocRoss

            I was talking about last year. This year, yeah, wouldn’t mind seeing him get his chance to start outside if Watkins can play.

            I get the argument that you could potentially make yourself weaker at two positions, but I think Boykin’s got the sort of crazy athleticism that would more than make up for any issues his height/size could cause.

          • Andrew Bruno

            I dare you to google Brandon Boykin Dunk Contest and tell me he can’t play on the outside. I agree with you

          • JofreyRice

            yeah, guy reminds me of myself with that vertical.

          • juaniflaco

            that guy is just a phenomenal athlete. I guess any NFL DB is but he is on another plane.

      • jmkrav

        It’s not that simple. The defense relies on DE who can two gap. They have to have the height and arm length to see around the OT into both gaps. Thus have to have the upper body strength to bench press the OT away from them, shed the block and make the tackle.

        Curry is excellent in a 1 gap scheme. But just physically cannot 2 gap.

        Saying “chip should ignor Vinnys measurable a and play him because he has heart and is a good pass rusher” would be like saying that we should throw a 10 yard fade in the endzone to shady because he is such a good runner. Meanwhile leaving ertz and cooper and Matthews on the sideline.

        Love curry vs the pass. But why force a square peg in a round hole when we have Thornton and now Hart to plan in run situations.

        • John E. Zang

          My answer to that would be to get more creative with scheme. It’s just a shame to waste talent because you want to stick to the old school steelers style of D. If Curry is put in a role like JJ Watt was in Wades 3-4 front I think he has double digit sacks. Either that or trade the poor kid and make room on the roster.

        • JofreyRice

          I don’t think I even remotely said what you’re implying I did “they should play him because of his heart”. In fact, I think I pretty clearly stated that he lacks the size (ie. “height and arm length”) to be a base end in a 2 gap 3-4. Like John Zang said below, there are ways to get creative, especially on a team that is so poor at rushing the passer from the OLB spots.

      • Andy

        I completely see what you’re saying, but what about this?

        Vinny Curry:
        6’3″
        266 lbs (now ~280)
        32 5/8″ arms
        9 1/4″ hands

        Trent Cole:
        6’2″
        257 lbs (now ~270)
        32 7/8″ arms
        9 3/8″ hands

        Trent Cole has always been decent against the run but prior to last year he was considered first and foremost a pass rushing 4-3 DE. Why has Cole, at age 31, made the transition to OLB and Curry stuck on the bench as a third or fourth 3-4 DE?

        • ztom6

          Because Curry is a stiffer athlete than Cole is. He’s not an LB and I’d go further and say he’s not really a 4-3 DE either. His best position is really as a 3 technique inside.

        • anon

          i’m 6’1 205 doesn’t mean i should be a NFL safety.

          • NickS1

            We need hand size, arm length, 40 time, 3 cone, proof of college graduation, a list of goals set and accomplished, and proof of a wonderlich score above 20 before we decide whether or not you’re a safety. Just never know. Oh, and it’d help if you had a relative who was successful in the NFL. We like the lesser relatives.

          • Andy124

            Since I have about the same measurables as anon, I’ll go:

            Hand size: They’re the same size as each other
            Arm length: I can totally get things off the top shelf
            40 time: the shadow on the sun dial didn’t move THAT much
            3 cone: See above
            College graduation: BS from PSU baby!
            Goals set and accomplished: I’ve got a kid -> therefore I had sex -> the end
            Wonderlich score: I’m told my licking is wonderful.

          • Richard Colton

            had you pegged for some kind of liberal arts degree Andy, a BS? now you’re just showing off.

          • Andy124

            Comp Sci. And it’s not showing off until I start talking about the astrophysics and quantum mechanics classes (which I won’t do because I don’t remember crap from them). :)

          • NickS1

            Post of the day.

          • http://www.geneticliteracyproject.org/ Jon Entine

            Played at Oregon?

        • JofreyRice

          good question. I don’t know the answer. Remember, he cut some weight, thinking they were going to try him at LB. Then he bulked up again when they told him he was to be an end.

  • Waffles

    Curry needs to get more snaps this year. Would def like to see some more defensive looks with Graham and Curry on the field at the same time. Also, can’t wait to never see or hear the name Curtis Marsh again.

    • John E. Zang

      Yeah I feel like Graham did a better job than Cole in his limited role. They really are doing everything they could to make it difficult for Graham and Curry to succeed. Maybe this year they get more creative with the d and they see more snaps but well see.

      • JosephR2225

        Graham can’t cover and Curry can’t defend the run. For better or worse, I think you have to cover, rush the passer, play the run and set the edge or you’re not going to get snaps on Chip’s team.

        • Eagles1018

          Agree. But the only OLB we have that does all of those effectively is Barwin. So we need Smith to show he’s the answer on the other side.

          • Clyderightside

            Yep. Barwin covered and Cole rushed. It was too predictable. Pressure on the QB will help the secondary too.

        • HowieGambleChipsAllDay

          The most overrated thing in football is scheme. Coaches who win use their players to their strengths. In Curry, we have a guy who is exceptional at rushing the passer. The best case scenario for him is that our offense torches teams week in&week out, and he gets the chance to pun his ears back and raise hell.

        • travis papa

          Wow I don’t believe you could be anymore stereotypical. Graham made plays in coverage at times the one against Witten always stands out. Cole was no better in coverage at all and probably worse overall. Curry was primarily only on the field in pass rushing situations and we don’t know what his responsibilities were in those situations.

  • JofreyRice

    It’s a shame, even with the added weight, I think Curry could be a Ray McDonald type 3-4 DE, if he were playing in a 1 gap version of the odd front, like San Fran runs. I’m hoping they can get him into a passrush package, to at least salvage some production out of a guy we invested a 2nd rounder in, Curry has shown some talent, and clearly, the guy loves the game; but I can’t see him ever being a 2 gap base defensive end.

    Ultimately, I think the guy is going to go be a defensive lineman for a team that has him attack, or read & react. Not the kind of guy that just eats blocks on the LOS.

    • Jerry Pomroy

      To be honest, I really thought he’d be a guy that would’ve been competing for an OLB spot prior to last season. That said, I think we’ll see even more opportunities for him as a sub package interior pass rush specialist. The additions we’ve made on defense, particularly the secondary, seem to point in the direction that we’ll see less base than last year and be more adapt to running exotic sub packages.

      • JofreyRice

        I think that’s the best way to get the most out of him while he’s here, but if he’s the dynamic passrusher PFF thinks he is, I guess I see him walking, for a chance to start for a team that attacks gaps.

        • Jerry Pomroy

          That’s certainly a possibility. But that doesn’t mean they value him less. Even 2 gap 34 teams run sub packages that use 4 man lines. They show the PIT footage to show the 2 gapping. But Davis likes running those creative sub packages. Just remember too that our improved run defense was very much due to scheme. Now with having a better arsenal in the secondary & an athletic OLB in Smith that can drop and cover, you’ll see a greater emphasis on defending the pass & attacking the pass in sub packages.

          • Andrew Bruno

            If we do this, I’d be hard pressed to believe they only plan to play Boykin in the slot at all times. He’s too good to be kept off the field because they prefer linebacker versatility to a nickel package. I believe Davis (someone did it) admitted they ran the nickel more than planned because the linebacking corps was lacking. If their planning to limit boykin more, someone is getting slapped.

          • Waffles

            I think next year when Williams is gone/cut Boykin moves to the outside and Watkins mans the slot

          • anon

            everyone in the fo has said boykin is staying inside what makes you think they aren’t telling the truth?

      • dnabrice

        The safety upgrade should make the secondary tougher which will translate to more QB terror.

    • John E. Zang

      What happened to the idea of changing scheme to suit players? I thought they’d be more creative with this defense given the roster but it seems bill Davis wants his scheme pretty cut and dry. I think he can be dominant in a wade Phillips type of 3-4. It’s a shame but maybe he has even better pass rush potential than jj watt? Why waste him on a few snaps a game? I also don’t think Brandon Graham got a fair shot last year either. I feel like he rushed the passer better than Cole did on his limited snaps.

      • JofreyRice

        as Ark87 said above, it seems the linemen have a very specific, set-in-stone role. It seems like they want everyone else to be able to do every*thing* else, cover in zone, cover in man, rush, play the run, etc., but the linemen just eat blocks.

        • Token

          Which in turn kinda wastes your best talents on the DL in Curry and Cox. I really dont get it. Its shoehorning a system because the coach likes the idea of it. Kinda odd when you consider they dont even have the ILBs or OLBs to play a very good 2 gap 3-4 either. Whose strengths is this system playing to exactly?

          We know Davis likes the 4-3 Under system. He talked about it alot both before and even after coming here. But hes been overruled by Kelly. Maybe one of the various reasons no other DC wanted this job.

          I think the team would be best served by Kelly keeping his nose out of the defensive side of the ball completely like he did at Oregon. Until that happens we would never be able to get a top shelf DC in there anyway. Hell id be curious to see Davis do what he really wants to do.

          • Harpy Eagle

            Our strength of talent may be the def. lin on that side of the ball but in order to run a 1 gap ‘under’ defense you need a secondary that provides strong run support. If you were Billy D would you ever play the 1 gap scheme with Chung and Allen at safety? Billy also likes to use press man which sconces excels at but again with Chung and Allen Billy was forced to have sconces play off coverage.

            I think we will see a little more of what we expected last year now that our safeties have been upgraded.

          • DoctorRick

            T-man,
            Good points. “Howeveh” have to not agree that Chip should stay out, He did not do that at Oregon and should not do that here. A head coach is a head coach, and structure means something.

            But I read your post as supporting Davis and his plan, and I agree. I think we may find that the Davis 4-3 under and the Kelly 3-4 look so much alike that they will look the same here in Phillly.

            I am stoked.

          • Clamdigger

            Yes, they should tailor their scheme to a backup lineman…They do run 1-gap looks on defense. It’s a hybrid. But EVERY new coach is going to want to run their scheme.

            I’ll never understand the Philly love affair with backups.

          • Token

            Cox is a backup? And Curry is their 2nd best DL to me. Probably a guy that goes somewhere else and becomes a good player.

            Im not thrilled with the likely prospect of losing Curry and Boykin in the next year or two because they either dont fit a shoehorned scheme or dont fit some size requirement. Thats what bad teams do.

          • Clamdigger

            Cox is a starter. Curry is a backup. Curry clearly was not the 2nd best DL in 2013, seeing as he wasn’t starting at either end position in their base.

            Of course you know better than a coaching staff with collective decades of experience, though.

          • Token

            So then im sure you also think Boykin wasnt their best corner since he wasnt starting right?

            Lets not play make believe. The whole “best players play” crap is just a line. Theres more that goes into it then that. Especially here since Chip has size requirements that must be met. Curry didnt fit exactly what they want out of their DE. But really neither does Cox IMO. Doesnt mean either isnt a good player.

          • Clamdigger

            Cox is 6-3, 300 pounds with 34 inch arms. He’s just been more of a one-gap guy, but size isn’t an issue.

            Boykin was the #1 nickel DB. He didn’t play outside, so I can’t compare him. He’s a better nickel than Williams/Fletcher are outside corners. Unfortunately that doesn’t necessarily make him a good outside corner. Viewing the nickel as a backup to the outside guys is dumb.

          • Tommy McCabe Jr

            Running a 2-gap 3-4 was probably the BEST way to run in 2013 because of the LBs they carried over not being familiar with the system and didn’t have responsibility of gap assignments, Thus the reason they were top 10 in rush D, they could just attack the ball. Now that they have a year under they’re belts they may be better suited to mix in 1-gap assignments and let the DL eat, creating more pressure, more sacks and ultimately more turnovers. If they go more 1-gap, Curry will have a HUGE impact. Mix in secondary improvement and the skys the limit in 2014.

        • DoctorRick

          I see your point but think we are missing some information somewhere. I don’t see a Kelly D line content to just eat blocks.
          At Oregon he wanted the D line to contain the pocket, force the pocket to move, make the QB uncomfortable, and and create space for the LBs to access the QB. So far I see him wanting a 3-4 hybrid, which to me looks a lot like the 4-3 under. So much so, I can’t see the difference, although I know there is one.
          Does it hinge on how well Billy and Chip can match scheme to players, and vice versa?
          If I were playing for the Eagles I would be “all in” on reaching my max within the structure.
          It will be Epic.

        • Clamdigger

          Huh? Curry was allowed to 1-gap last season.

          • JofreyRice

            He played about 30% of the downs last season, and had about 200 pass rush opportunities, per PFF. Considering his draft status and how productive he was, he should be on the field more often. The reason he’s not is because he’s not an effective two-gap lineman. I think it’s silly to use that as justification to give him such a limited role, considering the defense is no “masterpiece”, as it stands, and they need more passrush.

          • Clamdigger

            He was a 2nd rounder from Marshall. How do you figure he should be on the field more often? 2nd round pass rushers aren’t typically a lock by any stretch of the imagination.

            He has an amazing first step, but there’s more to playing DE than that. I’m sure he’ll be on the field more this season now that he’s had a chance to put on some weight and learn the defense.

          • JofreyRice

            You honestly don’t think there is an expectation for players selected in the 2nd round to start, or contribute more than a quarter of their snaps? If they were worried that he was from a bummy school then how about this: Don’t draft him!

            And yes, there is more to playing DE than passrush, but this team needs passrush, and Curry isn’t a Matt McCoy or Jaiquawn Jarrett second rounder–he’s got talent. I think you’re just being contrarian here. Curry can help the football team.

          • Clamdigger

            He can help and he will, but he wasn’t out playing Ced or Cox last year. This isn’t a 1-gap 3-4, so I figured it would take a while for him to see the field much.

          • Clamdigger

            His first year in Chip’s system was very comparable to JPP’s rookie
            season with the Giants. JPP was selected in the 1st round and they still
            worked him in slowly. If you discount a year for Vinny for the scheme
            change, he’d be in the same boat. Add to that, the coaching staff needed him to put on weight and I think it’s perfectly understandable that he didn’t play much.

            If he can use that explosiveness and size this year to drive blockers back and disengage, he could still be all over the backfield. That’s something that Cox is really good at; he almost always gets an arm on the ballcarrier and latches on as they come by. I could see Curry taking Thornton’s spot if he makes a jump this year.

      • OldDocRoss

        It’s a shame but maybe he has even better pass rush potential than jj watt?

        Love Curry, love the optimism, but c’mon now.

      • DoctorRick

        I hear what you are saying, John, but I think maybe it goes beyond that. You work with the players you have and fit the best scheme possible, but if you really think a particular scheme (e.g. zone read, spread, run first, WRs block, etc) is best then you have to eventually have the versatile players that fit that scheme. No contradiction. To get from point A to point D, you have to go through B and C.

        This is a marvelous time for football, we have such innovators present that we can see the game change before our eyes. It shouldn’t be a surprise , really, that coaches are finding ways to get an edge or three, within the rules that have changed so much over the past 5 years.

        Best,
        Rick

      • mb00439

        To me, it amounts to the opportunity cost of “wasting” said player. If the stock of curry and Graham are down in this scheme, but the stock of guys like kendricks, Thornton, Cox, Allen, and barwin all seem to benefit from the scheme, why use the scheme that makes the 2 players better instead of the 5?

    • Ark87

      Agreed, I was upset with this going back to last year. Our most talented unit top to bottom is the D-line, and we scheme them to be glorified blocking sleds to let the linemen be play makers. Kendricks grew some last year, hopefully he can continue to grow and make as many plays, but be more consistent between the highlights. The whole scheme rides on him and the OLB making plays. If they do, this scheme works.

      • JofreyRice

        could not agree more.

      • Eagles1018

        Agree but I thought that was the purpose of the 34…front guys eat blocks letting the LBs make the plays. No?

        • Jerry Pomroy

          No you’re right. 34 defense is predicated on stopping the run. 2 gapping takes that an extra notch in hopes of forcing the run outside into the hands of those athletic OLBs or your SILB by clogging the interior running lanes. 1 gapping just pushes upfield to attack the gaps. Problem is that your more suspect to stopping the interior run game because there will always be an empty gap or two.

          There is nothing wrong with either really, but I do agree that our personnel seems better suited to 1 gap. Particularly Cox & Curry.

          • Eagles1018

            Found a b247 article about Davis’ scheme. This is before I knew this wonderful sight existed. Why do I feel like we abandoned this. 4-3 “Under” concept? We heard so much about a hybrid scheme…now were just a true 3-4 team?

          • Ark87

            Originally we speculated that is what we would do because that fit our personnel extremely well, we had attacking 1-gap linemen (which is what our entire d-line was built for in the wide-9), and the 4-3 under had one of the OLB’s called the “predator”, which was basically a perfect fit for Cole and Graham. Most of the people expected us to eventually switch to the traditional 3-4, but the 4-3 under would be the perfect half-way stepping stone until we get used to the concept and turn over the defensive roster more towards a 3-4 scheme. Got to camp and some of the beat writers were like “uhhhh, yeah this is a 3-4 defense”

            Chip: “yeah it has hybrid concepts”

            naaaa, Curry blew up the preseason but got benched and wasn’t active in the beginning of the year because his instincts were to attack the gap. We went straight into pure 3-4. Was a complete disaster at first, but I have to admit I’m impressed how well it came together at the 2nd half of the season.

          • Eagles1018

            Much better second half except that Vikings game which woulda sealed the division for us without week 17. Sorry I’m greedy. Still in all I’m hoping for some marked improvement especially on third down passing situations.

          • Amar

            Totally agree, that Vikings game just opened some old wounds for Eagles fans. Gave me a feeling that the coaches, GMs and players may all change, our fate is to watch just mental breakdowns every season.

          • DoctorRick

            ^^^ This is a good post.

          • Eagles1018

            Discus won’t let me paste the link to the old article. Ok, that was a pointless question then……

        • Ark87

          Traditionally yes, you see that a lot in the Steelers D (didn’t have to talk to Billy Davis long to figure out Dick Labeau is his hero and we want that D), and really anywhere you see a gigantic nose tackle you can usually bet on 2 gap concepts being employed. Take a team like the Texans, where you have considerable talent on the line (like JJ Watt). They will switch. So take a look at a guy like Connor Barwin as a Texan. He made a lot more plays back when he was playing by guys like Demeco and Cushing and possibly Mario Williams? So the D was built around the line backers back then. Wade philips comes in and centers things around JJ Watt with a 1-gap scheme. Turns him into defensive MVP and turns the Texans into one of the best defenses in the league. But Barwin’s numbers went down as a result.

  • Anebriated

    Interesting stats from the guys at HBT. Came in a baseball discussion but its something to get us through these slow days. They went back 25 years and counted the number of times a team made the playoffs and added super bowl wins/runner ups.

    San Francisco 49ers: 17 (3 Super Bowls, 1 runner-up)

    New England Patriots: 16 (3 Super Bowls, 4 runner-up)
    Green Bay Packers: 16 (2 Super Bowl, 1 runner-up)
    Indianapolis Colts: 16 (1 Super Bowl, 1 runner-up)
    Philadelphia Eagles: 16 (1 runner-up)

    Denver Broncos: 15 (2 Super Bowls, 4 runner-up)
    Pittsburgh Steelers: 15 (2 Super Bowls, 2 runner-up)
    Minnesota Vikings: 15

    New York Giants: 12 (4 Super Bowls, 1 runner-up)
    Kansas City Chiefs: 12

    Seattle Seahawks: 11 (1 Super Bowl, 1 runner-up)

    New Orleans Saints 10 (1 Super Bowl)
    Buffalo Bills: 10 (4 runner-up)
    Chicago Bears: 10 (1 runner-up)
    Miami Dolphins: 10

    Baltimore Ravens: 9 (2 Super Bowls)
    Washington Hogs: 9 (2 Super Bowls)
    Atlanta Falcons: 9 (1 runner-up)
    San Diego Chargers: 9 (1 runner-up)
    New York Jets: 9

    Cincinnati Bengals: 8 (1 runner-up)

    Tampa Bay Buccaneers: 7 (1 Super Bowl)
    Detroit Lions: 7

    Tennessee Titans: 6 (1 runner-up)
    Oakland Raiders: 6 (1 runner-up)
    Cleveland Browns: 6
    Jacksonville Jaguars: 6

    St. Louis Rams: 5 (1 Super Bowl, 1 runner-up)
    Carolina Panthers: 5 (1 runner-up)

    Arizona Cardinals: 3 (1 runner-up)

    Houston Texans: 2 (Houston Oilers another 7)

    • Jerry Pomroy

      Well at least we made the playoffs a lot.

      • Eagles1018

        I want a ring. Playoffs is great. We’re consistent in getting there…I’m tired of hearing about how we don’t finish.

        • Jerry Pomroy

          Was being sarcastic. Looking at that above, the only thing separating us from the likes of the Vikes is our lone SB loss & 1 more playoff appearance.

          • mtn_green

            I blame it on ‘effective cap management’ and luck.

          • Tom W

            Two sb losses. Also goes back to that other article few months back that said eagles should’ve won 1.5 superbowls based on our dvoa and playoff appearances over the years vs giants or ravens that got hot and lucky with arguably less talented teams. Mcnabb and Reid and banner …. Squandered chances

    • Ian Farley

      No dallas?

      • Anebriated

        Good catch. Not sure why but Dallas wasn’t on the original list that I pared down to only include NFL teams.

        • Ian Farley

          i was hoping to seem them in the single digits but never found them.

          • Anebriated

            well most of those 12 and all of the SB’s came in the 90′s if that makes you feel any better…

      • Anebriated

        Cowboys are 12 appearances and 3 wins.

  • JAMIN67

    I think we’ll see more of Curry on the field this year for a few reasons. First, I think the personnel has been tweaked enough in the offseason that we can see more sub packages – which I really think we’re going to need if we’re willing to sacrifice the time of possession battle every game – without a huge drop off in production.

    Second, he’s continued to bulk up. Curry weighed just 265 lbs coming out of college…played last year around 274…and I just read he added 20 lbs this offseason. That puts him in a true 3-4 DE weigh class.

    All that being said…the last reason is I have to believe that as we continue to mold and shape the roster, this is a make or break year for him under Kelly. No doubt the kid produces when he’s on the field. Either he shows it consistently this year and we keep him, or it’s time to trade him to a team and scheme that play to his strengths and get some value.

    • ztom6

      He has not added 20 pounds this offseason. That’s just lazy reporting. He’s at 280, same as he was last year.

  • anon

    Anything we could trade to the cowboys? Maybe goode or acho?

    • NickS1

      Casey Matthews

      • mtn_green

        Oh hell yes

      • Andy124

        He’s basically a Sean Lee clone. They should trade for him for sure.

        • Richard Colton

          longer hair. not as glorious as Clay’s – but for the low low price of a conditional 3rd, they’d be crazy NOT to trade for him.

        • G_WallyHunter

          Jerry will watch Casey’s tape and give us a 5th for him

          • DoctorRick

            Correction: “Jerruh”

  • anon

    ESPN reports we have the best OL in the game.

    • Joe from Easton

      link?

      • anon

        it was on tv – nfl insiders or something like that.

  • PaoliBulldog

    We heard a lot of compliments about how Maclin dealt with rehab, not much about Benn. Even before the injury, he was considered a bust because of his drops. I suppose the Eagles saw just enough to bring back Benn on a cheap deal, but anything we get out of him in 2014 will be lagniappe.

    • Kev_H

      I read that they rehabbed together and attended all meetings. Benn was twice a top 10 YAC guy in the NFL and is still young. If healthy, I expect something out of him.

  • jcwhy

    NFL Mobile said Skins and Bears have top WR corp in league… Bears okay, but the skins? really??

    • anon

      It’s actually realty good, Garcon is a 100 catch guy, Andre Roberts is a good big body WR overshadowed by fitz, and Djax.

      • phillylove21

        Maclin, Cooper, potential in Mathews, and a huff (whose familiar with this offense) add it to your top tandem

        • Aussie Eagle

          Let’s not forget about Ertz Celek Sproles and Shady

          • Tommy McCabe Jr

            Yea Id take the total receiving pkg of all those guys over ANY in the league. Those 8 weapons are down right scary!

      • NickS1

        All 5’11″ of Roberts :)

      • NickS1

        I’d take ATL’s over WSH’s.

        • Javi Echie

          I’d also take Tampa Bays over Washingtons

          • Eagles1018

            Anyone who wouldn’t take Washington’s receiving corps is just being a jerk. Don’t be a hater because of the team being a rival or because of Jaccpot. It’s a good unit and will be tough to defend this year

          • Eagles1018

            Granted I think the Bears and Bucs are better but for teams like the Bucs the qb play is contingent upon the success of those units

          • JosephR2225

            They’re tiny though. They definitely have talent, but their only pass catcher over 6’0 is Jordan Reed, a second year player and even he is grossly undersized for a TE. I worry about their success inside the 20. And I think Garcon is overrated.

          • JofreyRice

            Garcon’s not 6′? He looks pretty well put-together, to me. Never saw him as a “small” receiver.

          • JosephR2225

            Listed at 6’0, 212. He’s solidly built, but he’s never had more than 6 receiving TDs in a season, which is part of the reason I question the redzone effectiveness of the Redskins receivers.

          • NickS1

            No hate. They’re tiny overall. Yes, they’re hard to defend between the 20s, but I’d take Julio Jones, Roddy White, and Harry Douglas over Garcon, Jaccson, and Roberts all day. Douglas had a great year filling in for Roddy White while White was injured. Granted, I didn’t read the article, so I’m just basing this on top 3 WRs who play the most and not including TEs.

          • anon

            yeah forgot about them — talk about big people beating up little people.

          • NickS1

            And DEN.

  • addicted2mula

    So we might have drafted the Offensive and Defensive player of the year? Who do they have come behind them?

  • G_WallyHunter

    Thanks for piece on Curry I’m sure we’re all real excited to see what’s in store for the Curry Hurry come september

  • Tom W

    Ugh pff overflating curry w misleading stats just like they did w graham last offseason …. Pff doesn’t realize most of currys snaps were either at dt on third down or obvious passing downs … Only portion was he actually playing a two gap 3 4 end in running downs. So of course he would have more hurries if you compared him as a traditional 3 4 two gap end who played running downs and short yardage vs a dt on third down or 3 4 end on obvious passing downs … C’mon

    • Tommy McCabe Jr

      Really?!? A guys stats are overinflated because of the situation he is used in. How about you factor in the fact that Graham and Curry only play on average 25% of the snaps per game. Also factor in that, like you said, they were OBVIOUS pass situations. Meaning they KNEW the guy was coming. Simply put, if a guy gets 2-3 times more opportunities as you and you put up equal/better numbers you get recognition.

      • anon

        Of course you’ll have better pass rushing stats per snap if you only play passing downs. In a 2 gap the DLs first obligation is eating blocks and run stopping, not pass rushing so of course they won’t get stats.

        LBs are also obliged to cover / play the run primarily as well so they’ll have more snaps where their responsibility isn’t rushing the passer. The problem w Curry last year is that he didn’t have a ton of gap discipline. If you’re trying to get to the passer in a 2-gap system there’s going to be a gap that’s open that someone will run through. I hope Curry can be a 3 down guy, but seems to me he could just take more $$ to be a pass rusher elsewhere.

      • Hanibal Luis

        But that’s the thing, last year he wasn’t going to get reps on any down that wasn’t an obvious passing down. So, yeah, you could say he didn’t get the chance to show what he could do. Or the coaches saw enough or not enough to trust him against the run.

        You can’t argue he did well for the most part when he was in there on 3rd down and he might have the potential to be very good, but in a 4-3 scheme.

  • Hanibal Luis

    As fans, we want to see every draft pick succeed and do well, so it sucks that the present scheme might not be suited for Curry and for that matter Graham to reach full potential.

    But hey, if he can somehow makes his mark despite the odds, then you got a player, a better trade chip or you mutually part ways when the contract is done and hopefully he succeeds somewhere else that’s no in the NFC East :D

    Too bad the kid is a Eagles fan and must’ve been an insane dream come true to be drafted by Philly.

    • Tommy McCabe Jr

      The sad part is that the scheme obviously IS suited for them. The fact that they perform off the charts in very limited playing time proves that.

      • anon

        3rd down, not versatile enough to be 3 down DL/LB, which they would be in a 43 or 1 gap 34.

        • Tommy McCabe Jr

          Neither was Ryans supposedly, yet he never came off the field. Same with Logan, yet given the playing time, he improved.

          • Clamdigger

            Their production is likely because of the fact that they’re playing limited snaps. They’re fresher, there’s less tape on them, etc…

            If Curry had to play DE in their base last year, he would’ve been a huge liability in the run game.

            I’m not saying Curry can’t become better than Thornton or even Cox, but he wasn’t better last year, so we’ll just have to see how it goes.

            I actually think Graham would be a fine “Predator,” but I’m not entirely sure what direction they’re going with their OLBs yet.

          • Tommy McCabe Jr

            I don’t even think THEY have a clue what they wanna do. They run a 2-gap while expecting their LBs to drop in coverage more often than not. Can’t have both and expect there to be aby sort of a pass rush. Having a crap secondary last year didn’t help much tho. Its definitely too early to speculate but I read that Smith has been practicing at the LOLB (Barwin’s spot). Given the fact that his guaranteed $$ is already paid out after this season is he on the way out also? Add in the HUGE cap # of Cole next season and Graham possibly able to be had on the cheap after four less than spectacular seasons, there may be new OLBs altogether in 2015…….or theyre gonna try to get Dion Jordan again haha

      • Hanibal Luis

        Like Anon said, in this D he’s just not an every down, any situation player.

  • Tommy McCabe Jr

    I see guys on here saying Graham can’t cover and Curry can’t play DE. Neither has had the chance to prove himself. Before Barwin showed up, Graham was the ONLY OLB on the team with 3-4 experience at ANY level. Seriously tho, how many TEs are in the Graham/Gronk category for Graham to have to cover. Sure, line him up against a slot WR and he’ll get smoked. Tell me one OLB that wouldn’t. People get caught up in the coverage factor a lil too much sometimes. Some of the best 3-4 OLB (Ware, Aldon Smith, Matthews) can’t cover a Senior citizen on a Rascal, but they can rush the passer and defend the run, just like Graham. Heading into the offseason, EVERY headline was “Need OLB, improved pass rush”. Well, that IS Graham. He’s prolly got the best instincts and nose for the ball out there. Add to that he’s strong as an ox (31 @225, more than any of the starting LBs AND Marcus Smith) he fits perfect. Ill take it a step further even. Guys wanna talk measurable, on here with regards to where a guy should play. I’m willing to bet Graham covers better than Ryans at the MIKE position and since measurable are such a big deal I’ll throw a comparison out there………..Jeremiah Trotter, look it up. All that said, I’d really love to know what they’re seeing to keep Graham on the sideline. As for Vinny Curry, the numbers speak for themselves in the article above. Yes he needs work on the run D side of it but if he’s in the backfield wreaking havoc he’s doing his job. Who cares that he’s not the “prototypical” size of a 3-4 DE, he’s making plays. Last I checked that was a good thing. Hell, what’s the worst that can happen if they play these two beasts? The D slips from 31st to 32nd overall. End of rant.

    • anon

      Man please

      • Tommy McCabe Jr

        Of course the usual unfounded reason to respond response.

    • Joe L

      The Legarrette Blount run from last seaason is all you need to see in the case against how poorly Graham moves in space.

      • Tommy McCabe Jr

        Yea that was less about lack of movement in space as he was right there than it was mental lapse, WHICH is corrected by playing time.