Wake-Up Call: Eagles, Caps and Gowns

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In an era where a record number of undergraduates are declaring for the draft, the Eagles are trending in the opposite direction. And it’s no coincidence.

Six of the Eagles’ seven draft picks will have earned a college diploma by the time training camp starts. The one exception,  Beau Allen, is a three-time Academic All-Big Ten honoree and just 14 credits shy of a business degree.

Look  over the team’s draft choices from the past two seasons, and there’s a decent chance the player’s bio will include some kind of scholastic achievement:




Lane Johnson --  a two-time Academic All-Big 12 first-team honoree.
Jordan Matthews -- graduated from Vanderbilt with an economics degree in three-and-a-half years.
Taylor Hart -- academic honors as a junior.

Earl Wolff - earned his degree in sports management at NC State in just three
and a half years.

And so on.

"I think it's important from the standpoint of number one, intelligence is a huge part of what we're looking for in every aspect that we do, whether it's offense, defense or special teams.  So the fact that they have a degree is proven where they are from an intelligence factor," said Chip Kelly. "The other thing, it's also what is their commitment?  They set goals out for themselves and can they follow through for it?  A lot of people can tell you they want to do this, this and this.  But look at their accomplishments.  Sometimes when you look at those things, it's always a plus when you have that."

Kevin Clark of the Wall Street Journal did a nice job of delving deeper into the subject.

Philadelphia's philosophy of pursuing graduates was born when Roseman, the Eagles' general manager since 2010, and Kelly, the team's second-year coach, each discovered that teams with the most college graduates are overwhelmingly successful. Kelly learned this late in his coaching tenure at Oregon, when former Indianapolis Colts coach Tony Dungy, whose son played at Oregon, mentioned in a talk to Oregon players that in the 2000s, the two teams who happened to have loads of graduates were the Colts and New England Patriots. Those teams dominated the first decade of this century.

"I didn't know he'd take it this far," Dungy said, jokingly.

In a private conversation later, Dungy, now an analyst for NBC, told Kelly that his research showed players with degrees were more likely to earn a second NFL contract and make more money. He told Kelly "the guys with degrees have what you are looking for. They are driven."

We know that Kelly gives the scouting department specific measurables that he is looking for in a player -- height, weight, arm length, speed, etc. -- that the coach describes as "a guideline more than a rule." That's probably a good way to look at the graduation/intelligence factor as well: exceptions will be made, but generally they will have a preference for  players that have completed (if not excelled in) college.

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WHAT THEY'RE SAYING

Adrian Peterson laughed when he heard LeSean McCoy declare himself the best back in the NFL. From Fox Sports (via Penn Live):

"I definitely started laughing," Peterson said. "It was funny because when Stephen [A. Smith] asked him the question, you know, he kind of hesitated. If you watched it, you know he didn't believe it when he said it. So I've got to tell the youngsters, 'Next time, say it with your chest, man. Say it like you mean it!"

"If you watched - if you've seen his response - he didn't really mean it...But, you know, I've got to give the young guy credit, you know. There's nothing wrong with having confidence in yourself, you know. But, you know, you've got to speak it – you know, you've got to speak it with more truth. He's a heck of a running back and I like his style, so I won't get on him too much."

Jimmy Kempski on the state of the Eagles' offensive line, which is the second oldest in the league.

• 13 NFL teams have no projected starters on their OL over the age of 30. 12 teams only have 1. The Eagles have 3.

• Evan Mathis is the oldest projected starting OG in the NFL.

• Jason Peters is the 2nd oldest projected starting OT in the NFL.

• Todd Herremans is the 5th oldest projected starting OG in the NFL.

• Mathis, Peters, and Herremans are all among the 12 oldest offensive linemen in the NFL.

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  • Malcolm Jones

    Whether you like Kelly or not, the man is talking to the right coaches(Spygate, Dungy, and other winners), he is taking considerations to train and have his guys endure more(science) and he is picking the players that he feels are less likely to be bust due to their drive,intelligence, passion for the game, and ability to fit exactly what he wants for his offense and defense. Can’t say the man aint hungry for the Lombardi. My expectations are that he will have one in his first 4 years.

    • Eagles1018

      Yeah that’d be great….

    • myeaglescantwin

      This season will tell us everything we need to know about that one.

      Chip took over some one else’s offensive players and re-wrote the Eagles record books. We should see progression as the team gets filled with the players Chip wants.

      The defense has some easily identified holes, but again, if they come out and play above their heads, we know that this staff is doing everything it takes to make the talent on the roster better. & again, we should see dramatic improvements as Chip adds the players he wants.

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  • anon

    Everybody in the locker room loved me, you feel me?”

    Jackson also said he appreciated teammates like LeSean McCoy, who has been publicly supportive of Jackson.

    “I know who my real homies are,” Jackson said. “The real homies stepped up. My boy LeSean McCoy, one of the best running backs in the NFL, he stepped up, he said some real stuff. But in this league bro, a lot of people are scared and afraid to speak up, because they feel like they’re gonna be the next one cut. They feel like they’re gonna be the next one cut. So the ones that really did step up and speak up, I salute all of them.”

    • G_WallyHunter

      Jeeze will I ever not miss this, he sounds so dumb, no wonder he was cut loose when you consider the whole intelligence thing as well…

    • bobloblawslawblog

      Whatever. Still doesn’t account for why he seemed to disappear in big games. Makes me think of watching Anquan Boldin beast out during the Ravens SB run….the guy was just possessed. That’s what Chip wants in his WRs.

      • anon

        Then Boldin got bounced for a 5th – sort of the same thing.

  • Daniel Norman Richwine

    AP is one of the best running backs of the 20th century. Unfortunately, he plays in the 21st, where Shady is better.

    • G_WallyHunter

      I don’t get it, was AP drafted in ’96?

      • Richard Colton

        1896

        • G_WallyHunter

          HAHAHA

      • Daniel Norman Richwine

        If AP had played in any decade in the 20th century, he would have been a multiple MVP and gone down as one of the greatest football players ever.
        The game has changed and now the skills he brings, though still very valuable, are not as important as they once were. By contrast, Shady has exactly the kind of game which is required in the modern age. Can run anywhere, catch, block, big play potential, versatile more than AP. This makes.him a better back for the 21st century than AP.

        • G_WallyHunter

          Good explanation I see your point now, should have written “would have been the best back of the 20th century”, AP will always be one of best of all time, but I agree if Shady could keep this up for 4 or 5 more years there wouldn’t even be a comparison between the two

          • Daniel Norman Richwine

            By using the present tense while describing a current player as if he played in the past, I was attempting to invoke cognitive dissonance in the reader. I hoped this would cause the reader to examine why we still can think of AP as the greater runningback and at the same time consider Shady more valuable and more productive. I was being poetic rather than pedantic in my comment.

          • G_WallyHunter

            Alright I’m stumped, great point, I see what you’re saying now, and most of us likely do think of it that way. AP has his place and Shady is more valuable based on versatility and age and even potential when you look at the team around him.

  • Eagles1018

    Who wants to bet they are taking 2 o lineman within the first three rounds of next years draft?

    • Richard Colton

      Who knows? Based on the 2013 draft, I’d call you an idiot for saying that. After the 2014 draft, I’d call you a visionary. Maybe they will. If they do, all I know is that those two O-linemen will both be clutching diplomas in their larger than average hands.

      • Eagles1018

        I’ll take that as a compliment? Remember I picked you #1 overall in my B247 mock draft.

        • Andy124

          There was a B247 mock draft? Dang. I was going to trade all my picks to move up and take Geagle.

          • Tikkit

            Off the board. Character concerns.

          • Andy124

            lol. That was funny. But there’re always exceptions.

          • Tikkit

            The Colt Lyeria of the B247 ’14 draft.

          • mtn_green

            Id take Geagle easy, 100 posts a day gotta hit a winner, and he was the only one pounding the table for Marcus Smith…Marcus Daaaarlimg!

          • Jerry Pomroy

            Umm, not the only one. Check the comment archives…I also was clamoring for Matthews in 2nd (Geags wanted Moncrief).

          • Jerry Pomroy

            For the record, he turned me on to Smith & yes in our conversations he came up with the catchy nickname. But he also moved onto falling for DeMarcus Lawrence, while I banged the table for Smith & Matthews.

            Just because I don’t spout out 100 posts a day and ten different mock drafts, doesn’t mean that I don’t know what I’m talking about. Knowledge son…lol.

          • Andy124

            Jerry takes offense to that.

          • Jerry Pomroy

            Yeah you’d have to UDFA him because he was deemed ineligible prior to the draft.

          • Eagles1018

            Which is exactly why Colton was my first pick

          • Richard Colton

            total reach by you, should have gone “BPA” – best poster available

        • Richard Colton

          100% it was. I though I knew Howie before this draft. Now I don’t. Your guess is as valid as anyone else’s at this point.

    • cliff henny

      sure, i’m game. you do realize Tobin, Bamiro (who if wasnt screwed by ncaa was a 4th-5th rd grade, d-kelly and Molk are all under 25. who we know nothing about. Barbre is the new Mathis in that he maybe 30, but has the wear and tear of 25yr old. kelly also spoke highly of vandervelde, though i’m not huge on, but going of off ’12, sure chipperand stoutland have coached him up.

      • Richard Colton

        Maybe. Lots of question marks there for me. The only guy I like out of that group is Bamiro, based on size/athleticism, but even he is an unknown. I don’t put a lot of faith into “…4-5th round grade…” ever since Poyer (with that 2nd round grade) flamed out.

        As thin as ILB is, O-line has the most potential to derail the team. It’s thin AND old.

        • cliff henny

          if there’s one position players can be relied upon to play into early mid 30’s at a high level, it’s O-Line. any other position, i’m freaking. as for thin, that is an assumption you are making. not saying you are wrong, but we know nothing about 4 or 5 guys that all they did was practice last year. we, as fans, spent 6months raving about improved play, guys getting coached up, but out of all the ex-college coaches hired, who was the most accomplished, heralded and successful one…i’m going with Stoutland. Azz is fun and funny, but few knew him outside of Oregon. Stout’s spent 15 months beating these guys into shape…what shape is that, we simply dont know, but i’d bet good money 1 or 2 has popped outside of Barbre, who we saw can play when he replaced Peters (and should get long look at RG job). it’s not like they’ve ignored the position.

          • Richard Colton

            We’re both making assumptions. You’re assuming they can play because we picked them and we have good coaches. Hopefully, you’re right. Jimmy K’s chart has to open some eyes – our group is really old – and the rest of the league isn’t.

          • cliff henny

            not making any assumptions, said multiple times i dont know what they have. take Cooper and D-Kelly in ’12, kelly started off rougher than rough,but by end of season wasnt that bad in almost impossible circumstances. Cooper looked like he was playing out a contract in ’13. if Bicknell and Kelly can make Cooper look good, than Stoutland and Kelly should make D-Kelly look solid, and he’s not even the one they talk about, Tobin and Bamiro are the 2 they bring up the most. also, for some reason,Vandervelde, but i’ll admit bias, i dont like him. he’d had to come a long way under Stout.
            .
            on age, it’s really 1 guy, Peters. switch Barbre in for Herremann’s, pretty much given it’s his last yr at best. Mathis has so little wer and tear, he’s not a typical 30 yr old. Peters’ is a freak of nature. he might play another 5 yrs, who knows. guy came back from a twice blow achilles, i’m not betting against him.

          • Richard Colton

            Here’s where I think you’ve gotten it wrong Cliff:

            “if there’s one position players can be relied upon to play into early mid 30’s at a high level, it’s O-Line.”

            If that’s true, 30 other teams in the NFL feel otherwise. I think we’re rolling the dice on four guys being able to perform at a high level into their 30s. Jimmy K’s column was with checking out in its entirety. Here’s a line you’d love:

            “…In short, Ruben Amaro Jr. approves of the Eagles’ OL.”

          • cliff henny

            While JK is funny, i hardly go to the guy for my football information. first, 31 teams would line up to sign Peters and Mathis. if the other teams had these 2 guys, their average age would be jacked up too. 2nd, no one is giving any credit to Stoutland. everyone else got coached up and benefited from sports science, but OL backups, didnt? we have an idea of what Dennis Kelly is, i think career backup, and he’s not even one they discuss. the one guy being relied upon to play at a level he didnt show is Herremanns, and Barbre showed he can play. i’d say OL was 10 xs worse off a year ago, TH and JP coming off injuries, no idea how they’d respond, a raw rookie, and zero depth that coached had hands on experience with.

          • Richard Colton

            Don’t get me wrong. We have a good, well coached line. But can you honestly say that you’re confident that a line where 4 of the 6 top contributors are over 30 won’t break down?

            We have a beautiful house with a 30 year old roof, a 15 year-old furnace and a 10 year old water heater. It’s certainly possible that we make it two years without needing to replace anything, but the risk keeps going up and up.

          • Andy124

            And the first thing the wife wants to do is replace the drapes and carpets.

          • Richard Colton

            typical. just make sure they match.

          • damrvrhunter

            Without doing or knowing how to do math, I felt strongly that it was statistically improbable to have 3 OL players returning from major injuries all start and play 16+ games with nary a scare except for Barbre finishing up for Peters in that one game. I must confess that I feel it is now statistically HIGHLY improbable that 3 OL men returning from major injuries all start and finish 32+ games with nary a scare. So +1million to your post.

          • cliff henny

            yes, i can.
            1. Peters…if he was going to breakdown, wouldnt it of been last year? guy is a freak. least 2 yrs left
            2. Mathis…he maybe 30+, but he’s a workout nut, and really didnt play till 29. not everything is equal. least 3 yrs left
            3. Herremanns, yeah,writing on wall most likely…Barbre looked good in short stint subbing for Peters. like Mathis, found on scrapheap. another reason i dont worry is 2 out of the 3 are guards. Guards are found and created easily enough. i wouldnt blink if Tobin came in and Eagles didnt miss a beat.
            .
            i’d say Eagles are rolling dice with 1 guy, Peters and if there’s 1 guy i’m ok w/ them rolling dice on, it’s JP. just have hard time believing as much emphasis and reliance on quality OL as kelly’s offense requires, they dont know what they have inhouse as backups.
            .
            guys get hurt all the time. it’s going to happen. breakdown means they physically cant, just never get healthy. is JP any more of a risk to a knee rolled up than any other T out there.

          • Richard Colton

            Good post as always. I’ll disagree with a few things here. #1 – ascribing a lower physical age to Mathis. Sure guys who play a ton are worn down faster, but does it work in the reverse? Are his limbs going to heal like a 32 year old or a 25 year old? My vote’s with father time.

            #2 – Guards are easily found or created. You have to help me with this one. It isn’t in the QB/LT/OLB tier of must haves, but if they were that easy to replace, wouldn’t teams like…the Giants and Dolphins have a few?

          • cliff henny

            Look at Mathis, he was a nobody, darn near out of NFL, now, he All-Pro Evan Mathis. Waters last yr for Dallas, was on his couch, came in and played well. Scott in ’12, he was on the street, in 2 weeks was starting and played ok. yeah, there’s no easy position, it’s the NFL, but teams can get away with servicable at guard, if Johnson takes next step and JP is JP.
            .
            wear and tear. for intense, i do seperate Mathis and Herremanns, cause TH has been getting banged around for 10+ years. Mathis is 3 or so. is he equal to 22, of course not, is he fresher than most his age, i think it’s very safe to say yes.

          • Jerry Pomroy

            “Are his limbs going to heal like a 32 year old or a 25 year old? My vote’s with father time.” Not taking sides, but I can attest to the former. Going to the gym now at 39 my body definitely takes longer to recover than it did at 30.

          • Jerry Pomroy

            Yes, the article lists the Eagles “starting” OL age at (29), second to Pats at (29.2). I think he even referenced that if you threw in Barbre, they’d be the oldest.

            I’ll admit that I was hoping for a replacement for Todd. I personally would’ve then looked at flipping Mathis to the right side and then playing the rook on the left. Therefore spreading out & balancing age/youth on each side. Not sure if that would’ve worked, but that’s what I’d have looked into doing.

            Personally I haven’t seen anything outside of Barbre and OL is a position where I am not willing to allow blind faith. I remember the last few years of the AR era I was banging the table to inject some new guys into the backup OL spots as we had the same guys for what seemed like 5yrs. In my eyes your backup OL should be guys that are either 1) young developmental guys that can eventually become starters or 2) Solid veteran rentals that can be good insurance if a starter goes down. So if guys like Tobin, Kelly & Vandervelde haven’t made strides, it’s time to move on to new blood.

          • Adam

            Some food for thought.. the Giants most recent SB win and the Ravens a few years back had the oldest projected OL’s in the NFL before the seasons started.

    • Andy124

      20 picks in the first 3 rounds? Sign me up!

    • JAMIN67

      I’d agree that we’ll be taking at least one with a pretty high pick…but I’m curious to see what we have on the roster with the young kids. The coaching staff seems to be high on Matt Tobin, and I’d like to see how Bamiro has progressed after a year on the PS and working with Stoutland. If one of them proves to be an NFL starter, we have the T position covered (plus Allen Barbre is a great backup for this year). For OG…a buddy of mine that lives in TX and is a big Longhorns fan told me to keep an eye on Donald Hawkins in camp. Evidently kid played LT in college but skillset probably translates best to G in the NFL.

    • myeaglescantwin

      Well, since this last draft proves they select players based on need, not BPA,

      i’d have to agree.

  • cliff henny

    do like that kelly/howie are very focused and have a vision. for now, i’m all for the degree picks, see how it plays out. but the simple truth is some of the greatest nfl players arent in these nice neat packages, LT, Moss, Ray Lewis Brett Favre. long as it works, i’m happy knowing if a Jeopardy game breaks out at the 50, Eagles will Ken Jennings everyone.

    • Chris

      Agree. My thought is that this may be more of a foundation thing where they bring in “chips” kind of guys the first few years to lay the groundwork with team captains, character, intelligence,etc. That way next year or two you can take a flier on a questionable character because we already have a good environment in place to keep him in line. Let’s see if this works.

    • Andy124

      I’d rather thay Brad Rutter everyone. As Kempski says, he’s got Jeopardy swag, loves all the Philly teams, and just beat Jennings and everybody else in the ultimate Jeopardy tournament or something like that.

      • cliff henny

        yeah, watched that last week. cant believe KJ didnt know last question, for once i did. in fairness, raised in lancaster, i went to James Buchanan elementary and my grandmother was in charge of his historal house for like 30 yrs. i know more about the worst president ever than anyone should.

        • Weapon X

          you know everything about bush?

          • Jerry Pomroy

            Which Bush?

          • Andy124

            George.

          • Richard Colton

            not if you started dating after 1997. wait, what are we talking about?

          • Johnny Domino

            I know it’s very retro right now

  • G_WallyHunter

    Haha APs response, hilarious, what you’d expect and he probably has a good point. Shady is always hesitant that’s part of his general demeanor, he isn’t hesitant on the field though!!!

  • Ark87

    Sidenote: JESUS where has the time gone, AP is 29??? Yeesh

    • oreofestar

      Yeah it seems he got old fast in my mind I always tink he is 26-27 then remember how long it has bee

      • Ark87

        I’m like why the hell is he calling Shady a youngster…It kind of makes me feel bad, the dude is going to be an NFL legend, and he spent his entire career with Minnesota with what, 2 or 3 playoff runs in the beginning and nothing since?

    • cliff henny

      RBs get old fast, dont they. why i’d say my biggest worry position is backup RBs. know shady’s only 25, but age 30 wall is a real thing. especially if kelly rides McCoy for 2k+ all purpose the next 2 or 3 yrs, i’ll be hoping shady can make it to the 30 wall.

      • Ark87

        I get that same anxiety. I worry that the decline will begin at 28 if we don’t split up those carries. But Shady’s right, he’s at his best when he gets carries all game long, then he just has something in him where everyone is getting tired, and even he’s getting oxygen, and he just explodes in the 3rd or 4th quarter.

        • cliff henny

          be curious to know what goes first, speed, power or lateral agility. shady’s ability to go side to side gets him away from so many hits. he has enough speed and power, but cant say that’s his game. hopefully all the space kelly’s offense gives him, he can continue to avoid hits. know it’s horible of me, but i really want a short yardage guy, on those dead balls when D can sub and get lined up, get someone else in there. let them take those scramble eggs for brains hits, than bring shady back in when everyone is spread back out.

          • Ark87

            I think you’re right. It’s going to be knees or ankles I think, every time he cuts and you watch everyone else fall over and look silly, he is throwing some sick physics into those joints. Eventually it’s going to start hurting to cut like he does, the cuts are going to get a little less sharp and less frequent. It can all go down hill quick from there.

          • Jerry Pomroy

            Guess I should’ve read below before posting and saying pretty much the same thing above. Those joints are taking a beating in all that cutting & shaking and baking. Which is why I wasn’t to see 1) him doing less of that behind the LOS & 2) another back taking some of the load off his hands now before a joint starts failing terribly.

          • dnabrice

            That’s what they used Polk for last year.

          • cliff henny

            11 carries all season, they didnt use him for much.

          • Jerry Pomroy

            Yeah that needs to be much higher. I mean we had Brown, but did we really? I’ll say it again that the writing was on the wall for Brown when I saw not one, but three instances where Chip was yelling at Brown from the sidelines to cut it inside. I could tell that he wasn’t all that confident in his abilities to be the guy behind Shady for what he wanted. Polk fits the mold, but do the shoulder issues linger? I like what I saw of Tucker (all of 3 plays), but I haven’t seen enough of him to be able to give a fair judgement.

      • Dominik

        I’m with you. Should be a target in ’15/’16. Have to come through draft, imho. In ’15, we basically know we have to find an ILB and a few O-Liners (we can’t know it for a fact if we don’t see how the young guys we have have developed, but it would be super optimistic to count on UDFA as starters – it happens, but not that often). O-Line has greater potential than ILB, since I just don’t see possible starter talent at ILB (could be wrong, of course, what do I know?).

        Point is, Kelly thinks he can replace D-Jax, but he sure can’t replace a supreme running game in his system. O-Line is far more important for the running game than many realize, but we saw last year what an avarage RB (BB) does even with a great O-Line. Not much, it is.

        Another point is: can’t replace Shady with a Rookie in year 1. Rookie has to grow. Picking the best RB in the draft class (who fits Kellys system, of course) in ’16 could turn out to be risky, since he’ll probably contributes not before ’17. But maybe it’s necessary, since we need O-Line and ILB (like I wrote above) probably early.

      • Jerry Pomroy

        I dunno man. I know Shady doesn’t take a pounding of hits, but I gotta believe all that shaking and baking is taking a toll on those joints. Plus keep in mind that in the single back, IZR he is not getting “designed” blocking in front of him to open holes. I mean of course it’s designed blocking, but it’s not designed like an off tackle left/right, draw, etc. A little less shaking and baking in the backfield could go a long way to preservation. Cut, hit the hole then shake the LB outta his shoes.

        • cliff henny

          hopefully he’ll be better this year. some of the dancing in backfield was needed, but was plenty of times it was like he had too many options, information overload for too good of a back. guy like alfred morris just picks one and goes. that’s what shady needs to do, pick first one you see that get’s you to LBs, then dance like the maniac you are. the Detroit game almost forced him to do this. doesnt have to be perfect, just go
          .
          what’s funny is we as fans are all pointing to Foles and passing game, while O-line will of had healthy off-season and in system for 2nd yr just like shady. might only have seen tip of the iceburg.

  • Token

    Because of age that OL could turn into a turd overnight. You never know when guys are gonna start falling off a cliff.

    • Dominik

      Lol, have you ever had one positive thing to say when you comment here? It’s your right, as long as you’re factual, and of course you don’t have to be a homer, but always when I see you nickname here, I know that something sucks (or the world is going to end), in your opinion.

      • Andy124

        We all get on him for that, including me, but every once in a while I like to remind myself that every fan base has to have an Eeyore. And as far as Eeyores go, this one’s not bad at all.

        Also, he seems fairly positive on Jordan Matthews.

        • Jerry Pomroy

          I prefer to refer to Token as taking a glass half empty approach. Not always the most popular approach, but his all the same. He takes a stance on what he believes & doesn’t deviate. At least he’s consistent. Doesn’t that sound positive?

          • A Roy

            Positively negative…

          • Jerry Pomroy

            Jesus, would someone please get Token to watch Silver Linings Playbook??…lol.

            No but honestly, because he argues about the half empty part of the glass that means he at least acknowledges that the other half must physically be full. It could be worse. He could be a Cowgirls, Deadskins or Gints fan. Instead he chose to argue the bad parts of the Eagles. I’ll take it.

          • Maggie

            It could be taken as standing firm. It also could be taken as having a closed mind.

        • Maggie

          Eeyore!!!

        • Maggie

          More Eeyore!

      • Token

        I must see comments like this every single day. Do you think you are clever or the first to think of this retort? Bring something to the table or just ignore my posts.

        So to the point…. You have no concerns with the line currently? Seems foolish to me. I realize theres a thought that OL play well till they are 47 years old. Just not the case. Herremans already had one foot out the door last year. Another step back for him is probable IMO. Peters and Mathis you just never know. At that age you can really just fall off a cliff. One year they could just be not near the level of the previous year. IM hoping for our sake they have 2 years left. Because we have nothing behind them.

        • John E. Zang

          How do you know we have “nothing” behind them? Just because you’ve never heard of them doesn’t mean they’re nothing.

          • Richard Colton

            nothing until proven otherwise. every backup lineman we have was scrap-heaped including bubble-gum Kelly in round 5.

      • Maggie

        He just can’t help himself.

    • Jerry Pomroy

      There is some validity to that. I’ll admit I have some worries. But I remain hopeful that if there is a falloff, that it’s a gradual one & not one of terminal velocity. Here’s to hoping sports science buys us some time.

    • Andy124

      Sure, it’s possible. It’s also possible that Lane moves over to LT and picks up right where Peters left off, Bamiro moves in at RT and plays like the physical specimen with 2 years of top coaching he is, and Barbre steps in and becomes and upgrade over Herremens. Mathis would seem to have the most tread left on the tires of that bunch. Tobin could end up filling that spot nicely, or we still have time to draft a guard next year and groom him for a year or two before he has to take over for Mathis.

      We could also land a guard in FA next year if necessary. It’s really one of the easiest spots to fill in with journeyman.

      Frankly, I think Peters will be better this year than last, Mathis about the same and Herremens, well, I’ll just hope for the best there. He may not be a beast, but if you watch a bunch of other teams, you’ll see their guards breaking down in pass pro from time to time as well. And we have potential upgrades waiting to fill in. The whole coming back from injury angle, while valid, I think is balanced out by the another-year-older angle.

      • Token

        Mathis seems like hes all about taking care of himself. I think I worry about him the least. Herremans should have been replaced already IMO. I dont think he finishes this year as the starting RG.

        • Andy124

          This ties in to your question above, yes, Barbre is still on the team. And he looked pretty good when we saw him play last year. Many of us have stated that we would not be surprised to see Allen take that job from Todd sometime this year, even before week 1.

          Also you mentioned wishing we knew more about the backup OL, which is a given. But if we had addressed it, say with a draft pick, it’d just be another player that we don’t know anything about their NFL playing ability.

      • Richard Colton

        I guess hoping for the best is almost like a strategy.

        I really don’t understand some of the nonchalance towards the state of the O-line. Seen some really outrageous comments today.

        “Mathis has the body of a 25 year old” – bet he thinks so too
        “How do you know any of the unproven young backups, whom no one has ever seen play, can’t play?” – I don’t, probably means they’re stars
        “O-lineman can play well into their mid-30s” – who aside from Geagle and their own agents have ever said that?

        • Andy124

          To the last point, That’s one of those “ingrained truths” that I’ve heard so much watching football over the years, you forget where you heard it and forget to question it. It just is. It’d be interesting to see a study on the truthiness of that.

          • Richard Colton

            upvote for “truthiness.”

            Unless Smoothies are the fountain of youth – relative to other O-lines in the league, ours is old. Like really old. Not for the Earth, but for the NFL. I’d feel so much better if we had drafted a Guard or OT in the top three rounds who could have started in case of injury. I’m not mad they didn’t, because thats not how the draft fell.

          • GregS18

            upvote cause what do you know… you’re just a door man, door man.

          • Andy124

            I hear you. I also can’t make myself sweat it because we just drafted 7 future HoFers… until they aren’t.

    • A Roy

      That’s so true. And you never know when anyone will get injured. Best you can do it make sure you have good backups. Eagles have a couple. As long as three don’t get hurt, they’re okay.

      • Token

        I wish we knew more about the backup OL. To not address the situation at all it must mean they think highly of them. Is Barbre still here?

        • Jerry Pomroy

          Yes he’s still here.

      • Jerry Pomroy

        3?? Heck I don’t want two backups in there. I think we could sustain with one, but two gets really murky.

        This point is the reason why I was somewhat hoping they’d sign Colledge. Yeah he’s an older guy, BUT he’s “another” older guy that’s solid. Terms probably didn’t see eye to eye, and he probably wanted to start out the gate.

  • eaglesfanqc
    • Jerry Pomroy

      Makes a point that I was making for a long time before the draft in favor of Matthews, to those wanting to trade up significantly to get Evans.

      Jordan Matthews may not be as big, but he’s definitely an elite prospect on par with Evans.

      • eaglesfanqc

        The more I heard from him, the more I can’t just wait to see him play! This guy is gonna be real good for us.

  • myeaglescantwin

    Makes sense.

    football is such a cerebral game. The coaches play on your tendencies and habits. Having players that understand that fact, and know how teams are going to scheme them, will definitely be more successful.

    This is especially important on defense.
    but look at a player like Matthews that takes his classroom dedication into the film room and onto the field.

  • jmkrav

    AP says “you know” a million times.

    No Adrian, I don’t know. I don’t know what you think of Leseans comments. That’s why I asked you the question.

    If Shady pausing briefly to choose his words indicates that he didn’t believe them, what does stammering that crutch phrase 4 times in 2 seconds mean?

    Maybe it means AP knows shady has caught up to him and that RB is a young mans position…

    • myeaglescantwin

      AP does slam into 300lb men headfirst at 20mph. Lets cut him some slack. ahaha

      • Johnny Domino

        Shady veers out of the way of 300lb men, cutting himself his own slack.

        • myeaglescantwin

          there’s no comparison between the two in my opinion.

          I’ve seen shady make one move and ditch 11 professional athletes.
          I’ve seen peterson beast 11 professional athletes in one play.

          These two guys are two different beast, & we are lucky to be able to see them perform.

          • peteike

            exactly, different styles, both great

          • Johnny Domino

            My point as well

    • Jerry Pomroy

      I took Shady’s pause to be that he was collecting the right words, not as if in doubt.

  • JofreyRice

    AP is a first ballot HOF running back, and probably the best to come along in awhile…but…I don’t think it’s so outlandish for Shady to consider himself at AP’s level RIGHT NOW, as AP apparently does. Certainly not the kind of thing that should inspire LOLs from Peterson. Over the course of their careers? Definitely go with Peterson. But at this very moment? Shady is literally the most laterally explosive and shifty runner in the league; I think it’s pretty hard to argue that.

    AP’s still got the best combo of physical traits–power, long speed, agility–as a runner, but what does he give you in the pass game? Don’t they pull him on a lot of third down and long? Shady’s probably only trailing Matt Forte in his ability to contribute in the passing game, among running backs that are not primarily recievers (Woodhead, Sproles, etc.)

    • anon

      Please — you put AP in the offense we’d have 2200yds easy. I’d take shady to the club b/c hes the better dancer but AP is by far a better all around back.

      You forgot that AP hit 2000yds the year after ACL surgery when he was literally the only good thing about that team?

      That’s like Djax saying he’s as good as Megatron.

      • Andy124

        Totally disagree with the last sentence. I think A.J. Green to Megatron would be a better analogy for your argument.

      • JofreyRice

        Gee, I dunno about 2200 yards. Maybe he’d rack up more rushing yards, but what about the 500 yards receiving McCoy chipped in? AP’s never had anything remotely close to that. And it’s not just the numbers, McCoy has elite movement laterally; more than one commentator has thrown out the Barry Sanders comparison.

        Like I said, long speed, power–hands down: Peterson. Career Comparison, too. But at 29 years old, right now at *this* moment, it not outlandish for McCoy to make that claim.

  • JofreyRice

    eh, Gocong was a mechanical engineering graduate from Cal Poly. You gotta be able to play the game, too.

    • cliff henny

      ha…yup, what’s the score if Havard plays FSU?

      • Jerry Pomroy

        42-9, but Harvard wins the lawsuit battle.

        • Maggie

          And Harvard graduates many more students who immediately get hired and start paying taxes. Thus contributing to the economy of the United States. How tax money is used is probably a subject for a different forum, however. ;~]

    • Jerry Pomroy

      Maybe because of his education major he was dissecting plays as they happened too much to be effective?

      • Jerry Pomroy

        Yeah obviously nobody got that. Mechanical Engineer? Engineers nitpick everything by nature? So much so they can be counter productive? No?

        • JofreyRice

          hey, measure twice and cut once!

          • Jerry Pomroy

            Unfortunately by the time Cong measured the second time, the RB was already behind him into the secondary.

    • Kev_H

      Gocong counts as a success. He earned a second and a third contract and started every game while earning $10 million + his last two seasons in the league.

  • peteike

    maybe AP and Shady can get together and have a seminar on women, oops, did I just go there

    • Jerry Pomroy

      Attend! Attend a seminar!…lol.

  • Warhound

    AP now holds the record fro the most times saying “you know” per sentence attempted (YK/SA).

    • Maggie

      Yeah, but Chip Kelly runs a close second.

  • thefadd

    they’re old because they’re good. O-linemen last forever