Eagles Wake-Up Call: Huff Looks To Bring ‘Nastiness’

NCAA Football: UCLA at Oregon

Josh Huff is anticipating a rather smooth learning curve in the coming months.

The Eagles’ third-round pick got a taste of what to expect during the team’s three-day rookie camp, and he sees a lot of similarities to the way things were run at Oregon.


"There’s some things that I know in the offense already," Huff said. "Just getting things separated from the Oregon offense to the Philly offense. The play-calls are different. The hand signals are different. I have to reboot my whole system and get it in order, and that’s why each and every day I stay late, try to get things done here and then go home and study and test myself with Jordan Matthews."

For many of the Eagles' new players, getting adjusted to the way Chip Kelly runs things can be a challenge. But for Huff, reuniting with his former coach allows for an easier transition.

And that's not just with the offensive scheme, but with the way Kelly wants to run the organization also.

"Everything’s the same from what he did at Oregon," Huff said. "What he did here’s just more complex and it takes a lot more time, whereas at Oregon it was just quick and simple and to the point."

Asked to expand on his answer, Huff added: "It’s an everyday thing now, whereas Oregon for instance, every Thursday we would do a hydration test, but we do that every day [now]. That’s a key factor in your performance. So that’s an everyday thing for us now."

As for Huff's potential role in 2014, it's tough to rule anything out. If Jeremy Maclin, Riley Cooper and Jordan Matthews stay healthy and meet expectations, Huff will likely be the fourth receiver and see a limited number of snaps on offense, while contributing on special teams.

But given his familiarity with the scheme, Huff could be a surprise contributor on offense. As we pointed out in our No-22 breakdown, Huff plays with an edge that Kelly described as a "nasty presence."

Asked where that comes from, Huff said: "Just the will to want to win. I love winning. I hate losing more than anything. If you have a mindset to go out and dominate the dude lined up across from you, that’s gonna translate onto your teammates, and that’s gonna make the team better. So that’s just the nastiness that I play with. And hopefully I can bring that to the Philadelphia Eagles."

Time will tell if Huff gets a chance to contribute immediately, but clearly, he has a lot of things going for him.

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WHAT THEY'RE SAYING

Tom Mahon of the Daily News notes that the Eagles' over/under for wins in Vegas is 9:

It puts the Eagles in the top 10 and first among teams in the NFC East. The book has the Cowboys with eight wins, and the Giants and Redskins - now featuring former Eagles wide receiver DeSean Jackson - with 7 1/2 each.

Brent Cohen of Eagles Rewind looks at some of the Birds' issues, including an aging offensive line:

The team did not draft an OL. I’ve made it clear that I think the aging line is a big area of risk. The team’s offense revolves around the running game, and Foles isn’t exactly going to run away from guys that get through. I was hoping the team would at least add a late-round OT (those guys have much higher hit rates than any other late-round position). Maybe they means they’re confident in the current depth OL. At some point, though, the Eagles will need to start lining up replacements for Peters and Mathis. Herremans I was kind of hoping would be replaced this offseason…

The danger is in having to replace them all at once. That’s the situation the team should be trying to avoid, because finding one good starter is hard enough. Finding 3 at the same time almost guarantees that you’re going to have a big hole for at least a season or two.

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  • Dominik

    I want Huff to be the best #4 WR in the NFL. Then we can brag about it like the Redskins bragged about having the best #3 QB in the league last year.

    http://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2013/4/5/4186130/redskins-brag-about-having-the-best-3rd-string-qb-in-the-nfl

    • Tom W

      Huff is a starter at kick offs, maclin insurance, and a weapon Kelly can actually utilize on pitches, bubble screens, and flare patterns unlike djax/. Much more than a wr4. Kelly is adding waves of weapons … Expect a split of time and usage between shady, sproles, Polk and maclin, coop, Matthews, huff and ertz and celek.

      • anon

        This was great except for the djax comment he did a lot of backfield work last year.

        • Tom W

          Trust me he limited out backfield wr work w his inability to run through Contact. Don’t think he got more than two pitches all year at most. Mainly a decoy. Watch Oregon v Oregon st last yr. huff is tough as nails and best wr on field that day.

          • guest

            Yes Anon….you should trust Tom, because I’m sure you didn’t watch any games last year. Tom watched them all. Trust him.

            lol. No, he didn’t take many pitches out of the backfield. Not many WRs do. But he was used on bubble screens a lot

          • Tom W

            Try watching a few Oregon and Vanderbilt games … Huff took numerous picked and short flare patterns and ran them properly through contact unlike djax stepping out of bounds … And if you wanna watch a proper bubble screen executed not just ran watch Matthews against any sec opponent ….. Main reason besides inability to get off press coverage or block why djax is gone. That decoy pitch will no longer be a decoy and the slot flare and bubble screen to a wr w speed and shiftiness (not avant) and strength and power (not djax) will be a thing of beauty. Not even getting to sproles running those same patterns and plays. O god we haven’t seen anything yet of offense

          • JofreyRice

            the guy forced more missed tackles than anyone on the team last year. And the year before that. Who cares if he deked the guy, accelerated past him, or ran through him? The phrase “you’re entitled to your own opinions, but not your own facts” comes to mind.

          • Tom W

            Pretty sure McCoy led nfl or top 2 in missed tackles caused last yr. not djax …. facts but thanks anyway. the typical djax play was the 8 yd hitch or drag pattern or fly pattern .:. He caught a few bubble screens but not many and he ran out of bounds a lot. Huff and Matthews won’t do it. I liked djax like everyone else but he wasn’t suited for this offense. Need physical wrs … We just drafted two w speed and quickness and toughness.

          • JofreyRice

            haha, OK, yeah, out of the running backs. I’m talking passcatchers. Of course a running back is going to have more forced missed tackles than a wideout. Come on now.

            You’re right, he accumulated 1300 yards by running 8 yard hitches. Go watch the minny or dallas game, you’ll see how wrong you are about how he wasn’t running routes out of the backfield. Guy was “where’s waldo” in both games. Is it necessary to hate on Jackson to embrace Huff?

          • Jerry Pomroy

            No it’s not. I’ve said it before that I just feel that Huff/Sproles are more of what Kelly likes out of his “smaller” skill players than DJax was. He likes guys that are tough enough to line up in the backfield & be an actual threat to run the ball. Simple as that.

          • JofreyRice

            Fine, there could be some truth to the “toughness” angle, but I don’t see the need to revise history in regard to Jackson. Remember Jackson himself had a 30 yard rushing TD called back in that Minny game, because of Foles’ crackback block? He didn’t have to run “through” anyone, because he just burst past them.

          • Jerry Pomroy

            It’s not just the toughness angle. It’s purely the deception & mismatch thing. Is DJax really a threat to run it between the tackles/off tackle like Huff or Sproles? No, not at 180lbs. Remember when Kelly was asked if he’d use DJax like LMJ and/or DAT? Kelly quickly said no because DJax was more a WR & those guys were more RBs. That’s what comes to mind to me.

          • JofreyRice

            Ok, yeah, Jackson doesn’t run between the tackles, agreed. But you’re discounting the things that Jackson did that those guys can’t do/will never be able to do. Who is taking the top off the defense for the Eagles? Maclin?

            Look at what Malcolm Jenkins–a “heady” smart player–said about how the Saints changed their coverage because of Jackson. With Jackson on the roster week 1 of the 2014 Season, he’d be the first guy you worry about after figuring out how to contain Shady. Hopefully the versatility from Sproles/Huff/Matthews can command that kind of attention in the future, but I think we’re putting the cart in front of the horse to pretend that they are at that level now.

          • Jerry Pomroy

            I am not discounting anything Jof. I am merely stating my opinion of what I think “Chip” wants in his “smaller” toy players based on the info/facts in front of me. Not about what Jackson could do. More about what he couldn’t do that Chip wanted.

          • JofreyRice

            yeah, I still think it was primarily a money thing, more than fit. Agreed they added the more versatile, compactly muscled types, but you can’t find 4.3 wide recievers that can track the ball in the air just anywhere, either. After Paul Richardson was gone, it was really Robert Herron, who went to a smaller school, and didn’t know the system. I can’t view the draft as proof positive Kelly doesn’t value a deep threat.

          • Jerry Pomroy

            But deep threat doesn’t have to mean 4.35 speed in a 5’10″ – 175lb package at over $10M/yr.

            I also look at it this way, Kelly values solid starting pitching over a top closer. He’d rather pay for those quality innings and deep repertoire of pitches than one guy whose bread & butter rides on a +95mph fastball. Would it be nice to have that lights out closer? Sure, but not in favor of good starting pitching.

          • JofreyRice

            I like the analogy, but I still think it’s a false binary. Could have had ’93 Tommy Greene & ’08 Lidge.

            Cooper caught some deep balls, but if you look at the games, teams left him alone with 1 CB to roll a safety over Jackson a lot. We’ll have to see how that works out now that there is really no one to be afraid of deep. I mean, the reported interest in Cooks alone tells me that Kelly knows how a guy with that kind of speed affects the D.

          • Jerry Pomroy

            I was waiting on a Cooks reference. Yes they are very similar in stature, but very different in how they play the game. I’d say Cooks is a fastball/sinker closer that isn’t afraid to ride pitches inside & push you off the plate. Oh wait, wasn’t that Lidge?…lol. But my point is that Cooks plays bigger/tougher than he is and has a deeper arsenal at his disposal than DJax.

          • JofreyRice

            I got you Jer, but you’ll have to forgive me for holding off on talking about Cooks as a better version of Jackson until he actually scores a few 60+ yard touchdowns, and makes some probowls. As of right now, he’s *hoping* to be Desean Jackson.

          • Jerry Pomroy

            Aren’t they all. But I’m talking skill/talent, not just accomplishments. Heck, Sammy Watkins looks great right now, but a face plant coming across the middle could induce what I call “hash vertigo” and he could never be the player we all thought he would be.

          • Fly High

            At one point, either Roseman or Lurie said, we realized we would have to take a step back and let go of Jackson. There was an ackowlegement that we are letting go of a really talented receiver that contributed to our offense.
            Despite Djax was let go for “football reasons” that is a wide area, I think that just meant it wasn’t for gang connections. I think that Djax’s unwillingness to do certain dirtywork, to completely follow direction, and maybe his reaction to failure and his behavior in the clutch that bothered Chip and the rest of the management team. I that is combined with his salary level.
            I think that with Djax attitudes toward salary, and his willingness to hold out if it wasn’t what he wanted. I think the Eagles did not want him in a situation where he knew he was on his way out, he was not the type of player who would still give his all, so they decided to let him go sooner rather than later.
            But there is no question he is a talented player who will be missed. Chip just felt that the attitude and chemistry of the team would be better without him in the long run.

          • JofreyRice

            Not sure what you’re referring to about his behavior in the clutch. He was one of the best players on the team in the clutch, and made a lot of big plays in big spots during his years with the Eagles. I can’t say the same for Cooper–small sample size since last year was really the first time he showed he was an NFL caliber receiver–or Maclin.

            Agreed that the extracurricular stuff probably affected the overall situation, but something tells me that if he were making 6 million, it wouldn’t have been a big enough deal to get rid of him over. Once again, he didn’t initiate any of this–never mentioned he was planning on holding out, and went so far as to publicly state that he wasn’t interested in causing trouble after McLane printed the article.

            I hope Chip is right about his ability to replace Jackson. I have a ton of respect for his offensive genius, I just don’t like seeing a really talented player leave the team for what I consider chiefly financial reasons.

          • Tom W

            Huff does things djax couldn’t do it this offense. It’s not hard to figure out. They are differen type of pkayers. Same w Matthews. There is reason chip didn’t want djax and traded up for Matthews and took huff in the third. It’s called fit in his offense. I don’t hate djax far from it but I don’t think it’s sacrilege to point out that the coach and owner and gm said we parted ways bc of football reasons and fit, and we turned around and drafted a 6 3 physical specimen who can play inside or out and ran fifty percent of his patterns behind the line of scrimmage and another 6 ft jacked wr w 25 lbs on djax who can play inside or out and run through tackles and take on contact in the same offense. We will be able to do more of what chip wants to do on offense w these two wrs … Including using the wrs on wide pitches, slot flare patterns and bubble screens … Not taking away anything from djax he just didn’t fit … Not saying we didn’t try to fit him in but he can’t block the bubble and doesn’t have the mentality to excel at those types of pkays. He ran some of them but his strength is deep balls, crossing partners and drags … Otherwise he would still be here … Chip isn’t an idiot

          • JofreyRice

            Huff looks fun on the cutups, but he’s a rookie from the 4th round of the draft. I’m not totally sure about what he can and can’t do on an NFL field yet. There is some promise there, but I don’t think many people are completely sure, if they are totally honest with themselves.

          • Jason

            3rd

          • JofreyRice

            Ok.

          • WorldPh_ingChamps

            I disagree. DJax hasn’t run crossing/drag patterns since he got his dome busted against Atlanta a couple years ago. He ran posts, hooks and fly routes…..DJax and crossing / middle of the field / catching in double coverage / or preventing interceptions don’t belong in the same description unless describing what he DIDN’T do.

          • GoBirds1

            DJACC. Spells team TIIM. That was half the problem. The other half was he was not a professional. His outside interest overshodowed his team commitments. It not his fault he burned the ought all his dough before he ever had it. Oh, yes it is. skins is a perfect home for him. Wish him well with both his NFL career and his record label.

          • WorldPh_ingChamps

            You mention the two teams that don’t have CB’s on the roster for DJax’s proof. He had a lot of yards the first 3 games last season because he was the only one that Vick threw the ball to, after that, he had two good games all year. People can argue that he was a decoy and helped the other receivers all they want, but a good WR can go up and fight for a ball, DJax can’t. Nuff said. Let’s leave the DJax talk at the door for now on….

          • JofreyRice

            Your opinion that Jackson is not the kind of receiver *you* like is not persuasive enough to resolve the conversation forever. It’s possible to manipulate the stats to make it look like he just had an OK season, but he wasn’t a one year wonder anyway. Incredibly productive player, on the Eagles all-time list. Like I said, look at what someone who had to defend him had to say.

            We’ll see the results on the field during the season. If Kelly can get the same kind of yards/explosive plays, then kudos to him. If not, then the move should be criticized. Either way, giving up a probowl WR in his prime should be scrutinized.

          • Richard Colton

            what part of “Nuff said.” don’t you understand?

          • WorldPh_ingChamps

            I didn’t manipulate stats in any way. DJax had 1330 yards last season. 774 of them came in 5 games (his only 100 yd games of the season for ) against Wash, SD, NYG, Oak and Minny all of whose secondaries stunk. The OTHER 11, (ELEVEN) games means he had only 558 yards, including 5 (FIVE) games that he had less than 35 yards. He’s boom or bust, he’s not a receiver that you can throw to in a time of need, crunch time or into double coverage when everyone in the building knows where the ball is going. The big games he had were in shootouts or blow outs with the exception of the Giants game. So while his stats look great at the end of the season, they don’t tell the whole story unless you look at the situations they come in. And while he was a great asset for this team in his stay, he is not a great WR, because great WR are more than a one trick pony (boom). They are able to run block, they give up their bodies to keep int’s from happening, they try to tackle the guy that DID intercept the pass, they go over the middle, they don’t give up on a play when they know the ball isn’t coming their way, need I go on??? No more reason needed for letting him go……other than $10 million, and more that he wanted guaranteed to be a boom or bust one trick pony.

          • JofreyRice

            That’s absurd, did you watch the Chicago game? or The Dallas games? The plan was to run the ball down their throats, because their run defense was highly suspect. Sheil posted the All-22 of the times Jackson was open in the Saints game, but Foles failed to get him the ball; that’s not a knock on Foles, he was essentially a rookie QB. Of course there is some “boom or bust” element to his game. Jackson made #4 on the alltime Eagles list by the time he was 27! That’s a hell of a trick from that pony. If we’re throwing out everyone who isn’t Calvin Johnson, it’s going to be a thin WR corps.

            Jackson made more big plays in his time with the Eagles than any reciever currently on the roster. Do you think the Eagles have a player you can confidently say can come down with the ball in double coverage when everyone knows it’s going to them? I don’t. Maybe Jackson wasn’t that, but there is nobody on this roster that I can look at and say they have completely elite traits, in the way Jackson’s speed was. Like top 5 at his position in the entire NFL. So what did you gain? Now in addition to not having that double-coverage catch guy on your roster, you also don’t have a guy that runs like a special effect.

            And in regards to his blocking, I don’t know what else you could be looking for. Shady got the rushing title, and led the league in runs of 15+ yards, with 26 of them. That indicates athletic OL and downfield blocking from the receivers.

          • http://www.idonthaveawebsite.com theedevilsadvocate

            i agree with you, yes jackson is talented has speed and good hands but one thing he didnt have was toughness. scared of the next dunta…

          • Jerry Pomroy

            DJax did recoup himself a bit there in his recovery from “hash vertigo”, but yes he was not tough by any means.

      • Dominik

        It was more a jab and the Redskins than it was serious. Look at the Saints. For years, they are always one of the best offenses in the league and while we all know that Colston and Graham are great weapons, both of them never had totally crazy numbers. Graham is 1310, 982 and 1215 yards since 2011, Colston is 1143, 1154 and 943 since 2011.
        There’s no sub 2000 yards season like Megatron had in 2012, despite their firepower. They distribute the ball very well and I think that’s what Chip likes to do.

      • Will

        Now all Chip needs to do is stack his Defense with talent, and find a reliable place kicker…

        • Jerry Pomroy

          You just really want a Kickilicious Eagles jersey don’t you? C’mon we’re not fooled by your antics…lol.

  • TNA

    I like players who take care of their business and take pride in doing the little things that don’t get as much glamour on game day but are essential to a team’s success. Huff seems to “get it,” but we’ll see how it translates to the field. If he turns out to be a faster, meaner version of Hines Ward or Avant, he will eventually be a critical player.

    The theme I keep hearing out of most of the FAs and draftees is that these guys embrace competition and understand they’re not entitled to anything they don’t earn via their performance on and off the field. It reminds me of the way the best soccer teams are managed where competition is everything and how a player performs in practice informs whether they’ll be in the starting XI on game day. I would expect more dust ups and hand bags in mini camp this season. Huff vs Cary. Should be interesting.

  • Will

    I really hope Huff turns into a real weapon out of the slot!

  • Will

    Nice write up. Huff runs with a nastiness to his game seems to love contact after the catch should be some fun yac to watch when Huff gets in the game…

  • Tom W

    Cohen needs to stick to the advanced stats and leave the player analysis to the experts …. Peters replacement is already on the team … His name is lane Johnson. That is two yrs away atleast. Mathis is tied up w a contract for three yrs and was the best left guard in the nfl last year. It’s been well written that Todd was coming back from a serious injury last year and was unable to lift or strengthen his lower body prior to the season bc of that injury. He was fine the last half of the year and should be even better this yr w a full season of lifting and huls program. Barbre can sub for Mathis or peters. Can replace Todd next yr

    • cliff henny

      THANK YOU! hate these gloom and doom o-line articles.

      • Richard Colton

        Tom’s right – but you still have to think O-line is a worry. The Herremans point about coming back from the lower body injury is solid. Lane being able to make a seamless transition from left to right, a bit more speculative, but OK. I’ll agree (only because I have eyes) that Barbre looked like a quality backup in preseason last year.

        Counterpoint – Mathis, Peters, Herremans, Barbre – all on the wrong side of 30 when the season starts. Behind them – question marks.

        Why Eagles fans should be worried – look what happened to Eli or Tannehill when the O-line broke down. Do we want to be in the midst of a championship run this season or (more likely) next season and have it turn into a fiasco because we didn’t do any estate planning at OT/G?

        • Jerry Pomroy

          Let’s add in the effect on Shady as well as Foles, if the O line were to break down.

          Just out of curiosity, if you could throw back a player drafted for another that was still on the board, would you do it and who for who?

          • Richard Colton

            From this last draft?

            Round #1 – Su’a Filo, Atta-boy (think he has more upside as a pure OLB pass rusher), Van Noy

            Round #2 – hard to say because I loved the Matthews pick more than any other pick they made. I guess Atta-boy (provided we didn’t take him at #26 and he was still there in round two). Maybe Morgan Moses.

          • Jerry Pomroy

            Just a question because we keep talking OL & I swirl around in my head who would I give back to take OL in place of who we did pick.

          • Will

            Safety Reynolds…5th pick should of grab best O-Lineman available…

          • Jerry Pomroy

            Who are you taking instead though that’s still on the board there?

        • Ark87

          The good news is that the Eagles have shown the willingness to pay a premium to have a good O-line. Even if we don’t land a bunch of studs in future drafts (and I think they desperately want to, as Howie was surprisingly candid and crestfallen about not getting any O-line this year) to replace aging studs, I’m confident the Eagles would pony up to land some solid free agents.

          The other good news is we are a run-heavy offense that attacks like a Jackhammer, which helps a lineman out.

          My biggest concern is Lane making the transition over to the left side. LT is definitely the hardest player to find, it would be huge if we already have that guy on the roster. Everything else we should have a reasonable amount of time to adequately address.

    • Explorer51

      And to add a few more turds to the punch bowl, Cohen’s next paragraph in his whiny article was this:

      “The Eagles, on paper, appear to be a worse team than they were last season. I know this is a long term build, but it still hurts to see the team take a step backwards. On offense, the team lost D-Jax and added two rookie WRs (not likely to contribute) and Darren Sproles (old and getting older). On defense, the team added Malcolm Jenkins and Smith, who seems unlikely to start. I know people expect guys like Ertz, Kendricks, Logan, etc…to get better, and that will probably happen (for at least 1 or 2 of them). Still, I just don’t see any reasonably objective way to say this teams roster is better now than it was last season.

      Again, I’d rather look long-term than short, but just start preparing yourselves for a potential step-backwards season.”

      I absolutely hate it when anyone, including a stat-head, makes such broad statements like Matthews and Huff are “not likely to contribute.” What a d-bag.

      • Tom W

        Yea our offense and defense is going to be better. Don’t get the gloom. Djax gets replaced by maclin and sproles, avant by Matthews and huff. Polk over brown. Ertz and lane a yr older. Herramins and peters 100 percent from get go. Year 2 in offense for foles. Sky is the limit. I expect a top 3 scoring offense. On defense, our young good dline is a yr older and second yr in new defense. Smith allows both Barwin and cole to get rest at olb and meco some rest in nickel and dime I suspect. Logan twenty pounds heavier and Kruger too w hart improvement over geathers helps the run defense. Jenkins over Chung allows Davis to play three safety nickel and Carroll and Watkins allow us to go more exotic dime coverages …. Beau should help on short yardage as well. Would’ve liked a ilb and guard for the future but can’t get everything in one draft. Schedule really goes our way as well w niners game sandwiches between two Seattle games, colts w out Mathis after broncos game and no games where team is coming off a bye and playing us. Easily see 10 wins and wouldn’t be suprised if we win 12. Super Bowl or not I don’t care about this yr. we are building a team of smart well disciplined competitive leaders … A team of captains who buy in …. Parades plural are coming over next ten yrs … I’m in long term

      • guest

        Thanks for adding this. I thought the “Eagles on Paper” paragraph was even worse than the “OL” paragraph. At least he’s partially right about the OL. Although he does seem to forget they did draft Peters replacement in the first round last year. He’s playing RT for now. So they need to find a RT for the future. And Peters just signed a contract extension, so they have a couple years to find that RT of the future. Its not hard to find Guards.

        But the “eagles on paper” paragraph was awful. Tommy Lawlor has a good post about it on IgglesBlitz.

      • JofreyRice

        haha, he’s a dbag because he’s stating his concerns and explaining his reasoning? He’s obviously a huge fan that considers the team and its outlook carefully.

        • Explorer51

          Is there anything in the article that explains his reasoning? For example, the over-generalization that rookie WRs are unlikely to contribute…just last year, two 3rd rounders were exceptional (Keenan Allen and Terrance Rivers). If you are going to make a sweeping statement that this year’s roster is worse than last, I think you owe it to your readers to explain why based on a thorough comparison.

          You are correct though, I shouldn’t have called him a derogatory name because he’s expressing his opinion even though I am in total disagreement.

      • peteike

        really tired of the Sporles is old and lost a step talk. Im not buying that at all, he still kills in space and hes not needed as an every down RB. Just wait, Im stoked to see Sproles in this offense. Add in conditioning program and its going to be laughable, all the lost a step talk.

      • John E. Zang

        This guy sounds like a fantasy football analyst. We will not miss “D-Jax” he will miss us. This isn’t the 90′s, young talent is essential and are able to contribute more than they ever have especially under Chip Kelly. He’s just basically throwing big names around. We lost some known names on paper. Thank god dudes like him aren’t in our front office. Sounds like he would fit in well with the Dolphins or Redskins front office. Philly made all the right moves this offseason in my opinion. I’m glad theyre not swayed by popular opinion. I don’t know how you can make a legit case for the Eagles getting worse. They lost an overpaid, overrated and undersized diva WR who made his money against inferior teams and proved to be inconsistent and disappear when needed most.

  • Tom W

    So hinkie’s plan panned out well for sixers fans … Was hoping for 1 and 10 but can’t get greedy although wiggins would’ve been nice. May have to settle for Parker and young or Parker and stauskas and that is more than fine. Parker can guard the 3 on defense and play the stretch 4 on offense. May need young at 10 bc he is a better defender than stauskas and can’t have two stiffs in defense in Parker and stauskas. I would be thrilled w embiid and stauskas but doubt it happens. Maybe hinkie trades 3 and next yrs first top 5 protected for cavs 1st pick to get wiggins. Also don’t rule out a trade for Kevin love

    • cliff henny

      wouldnt count Wiggins out yet. Cleveland should take Embiid, they need defense badly, and he could be glue guy for them. Milw has Giannis, Wiggins is redundent, sort of, moreso there than anywhere else in top 3. plus, easy to find articles saying they have interests in more polished Parker.
      .
      but agree, think likihood is it comes down to Parker v Exum. know sixers want 2-way guys, and Parker is more of a scorer, but w/ Noel and MCW, should be able to cover his liabilities on D side. really like to see a move made for Vonlah if the pick is Parker. use 1 of those early 2nds, thad and huge cap space to move up from 10. only so many guys a team can develop on a given year.
      .
      dont see Love. first, he wants to win now, sixers are 3 yrs away even if all picks are home runs. 2nd, sixers wont be shopping for big name FA till ’16, till then, use cap to eat crap contracts and gain assets. hope Love goes to GS, be lot of fun to watch

      • Tom W

        I’m almost prepared to take vonlah over Parker and exum but that’s the booze talkingrly. May need to get to 5 for vonlah w the second pick… Guy just keeps climbing. Cavs should do a lot of things but trusting them to make the smart pick who knows. If Parker is indeed out of shape and overweight, bucks would be crazy to take Parker over wiggins aside from the first yr readiness but who knows. I don’t think love is likely at all but I have been told by those who know not to put anything out of possibility w hinkie

        • cliff henny

          Love would be a straight-up flip at trade deadline asset. that darm Moultrie trade, cant see sixers making push for 7th or 8th sead. think 1 more taking our lumps, get more assets/youth. say sixers become playoff or bust players starting ’15/’16 season.
          .
          Bucks though need to win. what was crazy about them, they were actually trying. who knows, but feel about 99% confident Hinkie is walking away draft day with 2 really good players and manages to get more future draft assets. guy knows what he’s doing

    • Token

      it only works out if Embiid goes top 2. I dont know that happens

    • Token

      Embiid and Noel? No thanks. They need someone who can score. The NBA isnt wont by centers anymore. If they dont get Wiggins or Parker this whole thing is a failure IMO.

      • Reasonableeaglefan

        Right, Embiid and Noel don’t work together. We really needed #1 or 2 to guarantee this would work out for us

        • cliff henny

          Exum can play. there’s 4. even if the pick is embiid, think of it as accummulating assets. look at Houston, they’re sitting on Asik and lin (much less so, but he is money making machine), and it might just land them Love.

          • Reasonableeaglefan

            Can’t say I know much about Exum’s game but I hear he’s similar to MCW. I really don’t want to get into redundancy. I’m more concerned about putting together a complete starting 5 rather than accumulating assets. It’s not like any of these guys will be big expiring contract anytime soon.

          • George

            I hear he’s being compared to a mix of penny and westbrook. seems intriguing to me

          • Reasonableeaglefan

            Sounds like a big, score first point. I’d take that over Embiid, just can’t see him working with Noel and I like what I’ve heard about Noel in his redshirt year.

          • Uncle Wonder

            I must not be as down on Embiid as everybody else here. I think that would be a great frontcourt with unparalleled sized and athleticism in the league.

          • JosephR2225

            Yesterday Bill Simmons said this:
            “Joel Embiid is going to be the first pick of the 2014 draft. Don’t let anyone tell you differently. These teams are full of it. We’re worried about his back, we’re hearing it’s bad … Hold on, I’m actually going to stand under the bull as he craps on me. It’s Smokescreen Central right now. And enough with the Oden parallels; unless Embiid’s pre-draft MRI reveals a career-threatening back issue (doubtful), NOBODY is passing on a franchise center who could easily be described as “The 7-Foot Serge Ibaka.” Stop it. He’s going first.”

          • cliff henny

            just watched his under 19 world games(or something like that), he played against top guys and was ballin’.
            .
            hinkie is all about assets. he’ll do redundancy and flip it. so far, he’s playing chess to most GMs checkers. also doubt we can expect 2 or 3 yrs of lottery picks all to progress at same pace and build starting 5. nba is lot more wheeling and dealing.

          • Reasonableeaglefan

            All valid points. I’m just figuring you have a PG and a big from last year. You get a starting 2 or a 3, and a role player this year. Thad is a stop gap 4 or an asset to flip then by next summer you are talking about drafting one more piece and having money to sign a free agent and you can make some noise. I think my plan is a little to optimistic, we are just so far away.

          • cliff henny

            i agreew/ draft buildng 1st, dream options are
            1. wiggins/vonlah
            2. wiggins/ gordon
            3. parker /vonlah
            4. parker/gordon
            but if wiggins and parker go 1/2, Hinkie has to start out-hinkie’ing everyone again. either tradeout or take embiid as asset accummulation.
            .
            thad cap and those 2 high 2nds are floating around, can see 3-way trades, or kings were sniffing around thad.
            .
            plus, sixers are going to be mid lottery next year again. way to much youth, and will semi-tank so they dont lose 1st in awful Moultrie trade. i can easily picture a starting 5 that’s younger than fab5 at michigan.

          • Richard Colton

            We dreaming here? How about

            Wiggins/Smart?

          • cliff henny

            still have redundancy issue. have 2 points who cant shot and a 2/3 that needs work on shot. if Exum isnt a fit w/ MCW, than Smart really isnt a fit

          • Richard Colton

            Smart is a more prototypical 2 guard – and plays outstanding D already. With Exum, you have two 1-slash-2 guys. But I hear you. I’m thinking all-NBA defensive team. With + height at every position.

            1 – MCW
            2 – Smart
            3 – Wiggins
            4 – Young
            5 – Noel

            You get shot blacking/shot altering D at every position. Damn – its exciting to think about.

          • cliff henny

            they get wiggins can re-draft shawn bradley for all i care. Smart is used to dominating ball, and believe he shot under 30% from 3′s last year, and he stroked a ton of them. Lakers like him, good fit there, not jumping to 6 for him.

          • Jerry Pomroy

            I just threw up!

          • Richard Colton

            He’s probably their #2 choice behind Exum. You playing Smart at the 2 and Kobe at the 3?

          • Uncle Wonder

            I wouldn’t be mad. MCW’s size would allow Smart to play the 2.

          • Andy124

            What about McDermott?
            I’m told Hinkie’s analytic spin puts an emphasis on 3 pointers and big men with an outside game. And tv told me last night that McDermott is plenty athletic for the NBA, per combine.

            WigginsMcDermott is my dream based on that.

          • Tom W

            So rational makes wiggins/vonlah the dream. 19 7 4 wingspan athlete w an outside shot … Chris bosh upside and good defender Perfect stretch 4. Luv dermo but don’t see how he can defend anyone in the nba

          • Andy124

            Wouldn’t complain about that either. Don’t mistake me for someone that knows a lot about these guys, nor someone that thinks they know a lot about these guys. :)

          • Reasonableeaglefan

            I really just want Wiggins or Parker, the #10 is just a bonus. I’ll admit I’m kind of curious to see what Hinkie will pull with all of these scenarios.

            I don’t know about age, but our starting 5 will probably be paid the same as the fab 5

          • cliff henny

            cant see Cleve and Milw both passing on Embiid, so think 1 will be there. his back isnt that huge of an issue, wasnt structural or caused by lower body, like bad knees.

          • Uncle Wonder

            I like Embiid. It is obvious watching him that he has great footwork, which is most of the battle offensively for a big man (do you see Ian Mahinmi travel EVERY possession?). We don’t need a finished product today, its not like we will be competing for a playoff spot nxt yr. I would be fine taking him if Wiggins/Parker went 1-2.

          • cliff henny

            if he and Noel can find 15 foot jumper, then KG it to 20 over course of time, noel embiid on D side would be insane. they’d just have to figure out spacing on O side. Brown and Hinkie want least 1 stretch guy so drivers have space. it could work, but serious growing pains.

          • Uncle Wonder

            Noel is a little tougher for me to project offensively. From what I have seen his ceiling on both ends is Marcus Camby, which isn’t a bad thing…assuming he doesnt have the duration issues of Camby.

          • cliff henny

            yup, like that comparison. i’m not pushing for noel/embiid combo, like wiggins/vonlah. would need to find a 2, maybe levine drops. or stretch 4 in Anderson little later. they land Wiggins, with MCW, gotta get that lane cleared

          • Tom W

            No way vonlah or Gordon fall past 8. Gotta trade up and some silly 2s ain’t gonna do it. Maybe Thad. Maybe next yrs first.

          • Uncle Wonder

            I can all but promise Hinkie isnt giving up nxt yrs 1st.

          • cliff henny

            have 30m in cap space, 3way trade (staring right at chicago and boozer so they can land ‘Melo). take boozer for #15th, package new pick, #10 and thad. who knows, but Hinkie wont be sitting on his hands.

          • John E. Zang

            We need Wiggins in my opinion. I think he has the scoring potential we desperately need. If there’s a reasonable way to move up I think we should.

          • Richard Colton

            We trading? Ok – the #10 pick plus next year’s #1 for Kevin Love.

          • peteike

            not worth trading up 2 spots, similar value at 8 vs 10 depending on their board of course. I dont see them doing that

          • Andy124

            John Smallwood just convinced me we’ll end up with Parker at #3. So it is written, so it will be.

          • Richard Colton

            isn’t he the soccer beat guy now? hahahaha

          • Tom W

            We are in complete agreement although I may take embiid over Parker.

          • cliff henny

            my assumption is Embiid goes #1. Cleveland would have to be on the strongest sticky of icky to pass on him.

          • Richard Colton

            Remember Stackhouse/Iverson? we were going to have the best backcourt in the league. I’m with you. Let someone else draft him. I’m done with old Canadian Firemen and teenage Australian Volleyball players.

          • Jerry Pomroy

            Stack’ & ‘Sheed though were a sight to behold that year at UNC. Weren’t enough but man were they fun to watch!

          • NickS1

            Wasn’t Vince on that team, too?

          • Jerry Pomroy

            No he was a few years later & was teamed up with Antawn Jamison.

            Shack & Sheed had Montross one year.

          • Tom W

            All about assets. Embiid and Noel. Mcw and exum. You get a chance to land one of the 4 franchise players in a nba draft you do it and ask questions later. All about having the ammo to pounce when no one else does.

        • John E. Zang

          I can’t understand for the life of me the point of this draft lottery. It’s nonsense. You have the worst record you should get the top pick. Works great for the NFL. This league just about goes out of its way to screw teams on hard times.

          • Andy124

            It’s to slightly discourage tanking. Doesn’t seem to work too well towards that goal.

          • Jerry Pomroy

            You sir have just stated the reason why I cannot take today’s NBA. They (NBA) created this culture themselves. The talent pool just isn’t deep so the only way to get a “star” player, is to tank & take your odds with a flawed system within itself. On top of it, they’ll grant an expansion team to anyone willing to build an arena, further muttling down the talent. And that talent will only go sign to one of a few teams. So the haves only become more relevant & the have nots want to stay irrelevant so they can build a team with high lottery picks and eventually become relevant. I LOVED basketball as a kid, but now it’s just a shell of what it once was.

          • cliff henny

            oh, it’s a mess! our only hope is Hinkie can jump level, take sixer’s to one of the halves. what drives me nuts is when FA talk about destination cities, and somehow Philly, the city itself not team, in NFL and MLB are desired, but NBA, they don’t want to play here. makes no sense.

          • John E. Zang

            I can’t even name the teams anymore. The expansion teams are lucky to stick around ten years and other teams are always changing names/moving. And the only way to build is to get top 5 draft picks. It’s not like the NFL where you can find franchise players in almost any round. Then you have guaranteed contracts so if a team makes a mistake they’re stuck with it for years. And trades are complicated so it’s hard to improve your team that way as well. Basically the league punishes teams on hard times plus you have to pray the balls roll your way in the draft lottery. There’s so many things wrong with the NBA yet they don’t seem to care about it. It’s really perplexing how those in charge can’t see all of it. The only thing I can think of is that there’s some corruption involved.

          • Maggie

            David Stern was commissioner for w-a-a-y too long. His ego was far more important than working with the teams to improve or stabilize the league.

      • Andy124

        Of course it is.

      • JofreyRice

        haha, I don’t even follow basketball, but I remember you were one of the only people who called Evan Turner a bust while people hemmed and hawed for years about him. I think NBA player projection is a lot more straightforward–you can see who can play and who can’t.

        Have the Sixers ever had the #1 pick? Seems like a team consistently bottom-feeding, but never bottoming out enough to come back up.

        • Andy124

          Dr. J and Allen Iverson.

          • JofreyRice

            Wow, hell of a return on those #1′s!

          • Andy124

            I’m wrong about Dr. J.

          • JofreyRice

            well, you fooled me. I can’t stay interested in basketball. Just up and down the court. Much more fun to play than watch. That being said, I’d love to see the Sixers become relevant again, for the city’s sake.

          • Andy124

            Agreed on that. But I can’t lie, all this ‘lots of high picks’ thing has me hooked. I’m looking forward to watching them a bit next year.

          • John E. Zang

            Yeah I like the sixers but the NBA is a pathetic mess. You can hand pick the the top three or four teams and that are almost guaranteed to be in it. The teams that are supposed to win in the end ALWAYS do. There’s no point in watching. I have to applaud the Spurs though they’ve been playing the game right for years.

          • Richard Colton

            lots of lottery picks. those don’t look as good. Remember Shawn Bradley? Clarence Witherspoon? Turner? Lot’s of bad picks over the years.

          • JofreyRice

            ‘Spoon/Bradley days were about the last time I cared about the Sixers.

          • Tom W

            Different ownership; gm, coach, etc. Let’s not focus on past and look forward.

          • JofreyRice

            I like that one owner that was going to do a cross country motorcycle ride but fell over in atlantic city, and was injured horribly. He came back as a karate expert or something, right?

          • Maggie

            Such complete opposites, too. Who worked harder and had more pride in his game than Dr. J? A.I.? Practice? Practice? Who needs stinking practice? Didn’t he try to do the rap thing too? Like an unnamed member of the Washington football team? Aah, the memories!

        • cliff henny

          it didnt take people long to see Turner was a bust. he doesnt have explosive jump, his arms are short why he’s a rejection machine at the rim, and never developed a jumper past 15 feet. add in Doug Collins and ET’s ego, just a mess.
          .
          Hinkie isnt making those mistakes. guys he’s looking at can jump to the rafters and all can tie their shoes without bending over.

          • JofreyRice

            I do remember a lot of people defending and apologizing for him.

          • cliff henny

            think most sane people recognized the 3 issues, and tossed most of it back to Doug Collins not using him correctly, and hoping. was always a lot of ‘ifs’ and ‘buts’ for anyone trying to make ET’s time in Philly work

          • Richard Colton

            he sounded like Kermit D. Frog. off-putting.

          • Andy124

            If it wasn’t for his lack of game, I’d blame the hate he receives on that voice.

          • Neanderthal

            I guess that rules out Mcjumper.

        • Token

          Turner never had a chance. Its really hard to be not very athletic while also not being able to shoot. I dont know what came out of that draft, Paul George but not sure what else.

          Ive gotten away from basketball more and more. I think cuz the Sixers have been terrible for about 10 years now, maybe more. When was the Iverson Finals 2001? Geez.

          But yea the NBA is very much about isolation, 1v1 ball. So a guy like Wiggins may actually fair better in the NBA then he did in college. Parker I like. Im a bit scared because hes not very athletic but he can shoot and I like his attitude on the court. There seems to be a bit of Piece and Carmelo to his game.

          Embiid im hoping goes top 2. Teams will always be swayed by size, just hope its not the Sixers. Back issues to boot. They need a wing that can create his own shot and be a productive scorer. Not another big who cant score. Noel will fill the defensive big role just fine. And hes athletic enough that Brown can probably turn him into a ok scorer.

          The Sixers could be exciting again. Noel and MCW. Throw in Parker or Wiggins and the #10 pick. It will take time but they look to finally be on the right path.

      • Tom W

        Embiid has Hakeem the dream upside and serge ibaka downside. You don’t pass on 7 ft athletic studs w low post game once in a decade talent. Stop w the nba game has changed. Drummon and brow are monsters and Timmy has dominated for a decade/. The game is the game. Trade nerlens for all I care or accumulate assets. You hinkie you tell brown to make it work. W Thad they probably only have to be on floor for ten minutes a game.

        • cliff henny

          first couple years, better be ready to see 70-65 games. rather get Wiggins, Vonlah and pull Levine (any fun SG really) and watch 70-65 halftime games

        • Token

          Sure you do. The NBA isnt a centers game anymore. Noel is fine. We dont need two big men who cant score. I dont see how that makes sense. Dont get the Hakeem comparison people make either. This kid cant score. Wasnt even dominant in college.

    • NCBiRDMann22

      Randel T.J Warren, Glenn Robinson III. With MCW and Noel would do just fine for me.

      • Tom W

        Randle at 3? No chance. Doubt he is in sixers top 5. Played horrible against athletic long 4s in sec and disappeared again big front line like uconn. Not an athlete. Warren another poor outside shooter for a 3. Big dog in second rd would be nice

        • NCBiRDMann22

          Randle was the only one who didn’t shrink in the tournament when comp stepped up. I’m not sure if you want Embiid or not but I sure as heck wouldn’t want to relieve another medical nightmare. Julius is gonna be a very solid start in the league. I picture him as a Zack Randolph…we get that and I really don’t see anyone being upset about that. And my boy Warren who I got to see a lot of living here in Raleigh is an absolute nightmare of a match up. Guy is a pure scorer and with some coaching can learn to stroke the 3.

  • Reasonableeaglefan

    I love the part about Huff and Matthews studying together. With a little luck, we could come away with a nice receiver tandem from this last draft that compliments each other nicely.

    • guest

      This. All you heard after the draft was how dedicated Matthews was. And how Huff is so familiar with the offense and the Chip Experience. Huff helps Matthews learn…Matthews keeps Huff focused. Everybody wins.

    • myeaglescantwin

      I believe they saw the aspect of bringing both these guys in at the same time a valuable asset. One has NFL study habits and desire, the other has that anger and fight few 5’11 WRs possess. Could have a great combo moving forward.

    • dnabrice

      Healthy competition will drive both of their careers upwards.

  • Clamdigger

    “I was hoping the team would at least add a late-round OT (those guys have much higher hit rates than any other late-round position). Maybe they means they’re confident in the current depth OL.”

    “Herremans I was kind of hoping would be replaced this offseason…”

    So he complains about OL depth, while simultaneously hoping that they replace an above average swing-tackle that still has a year or two left. It’s like he forgot what he was writing mid-paragraph.

    • Richard Colton

      Herremans was pretty brutal last year. Definitely the weak link on that O-line in pass-pro. I’ll take the injury into consideration, but factor in age too – it doesn’t paint an encouraging picture.

      • anon

        People have funny memories. OL was questionable at best in pass pro – even after MV left.

      • Clamdigger

        I’m not saying he’s great, but he was part of a pretty good OL. The guy is criticizing their depth on the OL while also suggesting that they cut one of their starters… It just doesn’t compute. It’s not like Herremans is going to be a backup with his salary.

        If his point is that they need to upgrade the RG position, then he’ll get no argument from me. But he’s somehow conflating that with improving their depth at OL.

    • Justin

      If I’m not mistaken, but isn’t Herreman’s contract this year too pricey to have him replaced?

  • NickS1

    So much NBA talk. I know it’d be considered by many to be a reach, but I’d take Cleanthony Early at 10. Like his game more than most. Basically a 6’8″, athletic 2-guard who’s big time.

  • Jerry Pomroy

    NBA – Not Ballin’ Anymore

  • Cliff Ainley

    I will take the under on the Cowgirls big time. Their defense is a total mutt…

  • Cliff Ainley

    There is cause for concern with the O line depth but you don’t go reaching i the draft for need. That is what got us here in the first place. Peters and Mathis are still on top of their game. Guards are fairly easy to come by. SO Lane is Peters replacement, Kelce isn’t going anywhere and next year they draft line and pick up a free agent. It is a little concerning but enough to go out and get a dog…

    • jesse

      Lol if you’re scared by a dog

  • Cliff Ainley

    BTW, I don’t care what the pundits say I am liking this kid Huff. He is a football player and not a pre madonna receiver. He is more than willing to block and take a hit. Has the makings of a Boldin type player…

    • Maggie

      I’m not sure that football as we know it was played “pre Madonna.” I believe those folks were more into fishing and hunting than organized sports.

      • OregonDucksFan

        Maybe he meant Madonna the singer instead of the Virgin Mary.

        (And yes, I know it is spelled “prima donna”.)

      • Warhound

        Olympics? Chariot Racing?

      • Cliff Ainley

        OOOOOOKAY

    • PaoliBulldog

      Pre-Madonna there was Cher.

      • Cliff Ainley

        Riiight. Sorry I misspelled it. Grammar police, eh?

        • PaoliBulldog

          You didn’t misspell it or botch the grammar. More like a malapropism.

          • Cliff Ainley

            Gotcha.

          • PaoliBulldog

            You realize that no one is cracking on you or holding you up for ridicule, right? This message board is a rarity. Unclench your kiester.

          • Cliff Ainley

            The keister is unclenched, friend. Thanks for asking. I have no idea what you mean. I said,”gotcha.’ Like, “Ok.” Now you seem like an ass. Not that I care either way. Go Birds!

  • myeaglescantwin

    The ‘under’ story there about our odds at 9 is tough. Those guys are pretty on point with their figures. With all this praise and good mojo we all feel right now. Looking at 9-7 isn’t far fetched. We are one of the thinnest teams at OL. If Foles goes down, we have nothing but USC qbs, and our DL is still pretty damn light without a true NT. Hell, if anyone of our linebackers goes down, we are in trouble. the only position of depth is CB, and that’s simply solid B-’s across the board.

    in 2013, every little thing broke our way.
    Eli reverted to shEli
    AP didn’t play
    Rodgers didn’t play
    the shanahans flopped
    Cutler wet his pants
    & even Dallas was a man short in their final battle.

    sorry. but, these are all facts.

    • peteike

      it has more to do with playing the NFC West but ya, all those things. Then again, system was stellar as was 27/2

      • myeaglescantwin

        true.

        i thin this season will be a dose of reality, whether it good or bad. I think we will see exactly where this ball club stands. If we can come out and whoop ass again, then we will know that things are only getting better.
        Then again, if we regress, reality will say we still have key pieces that need to be addressed.

    • jesse

      Your sign in name says all in need to know about you

      • myeaglescantwin

        that i’m a realist?

        & that stemmed back to Andy Reid, waiting for Chipper to change my mind.

        • jesse

          But the eagles did win quite a bit under Andy Reid I belive the third biggest winning percentage of all teams during his tenor. As far as winning the big game not so much but few other teams did either

          • myeaglescantwin

            They were dominant yes, the most winning’est team for a decade outside of the patriots. The franchise flipped the script in the 2000′s. I respect that and i’m grateful.

            Andy was around .300 against playoff teams / good coaches. Continually were we let down as a favorite.
            there was no denying that the fundamental philosophies were not what it took to become truly elite.

            tell me, 5 years ago,
            3rd & 2,,
            you’re confident?