On the Roseman/Kelly Dynamic

NFL: Combine

Neither Chip Kelly nor Howie Roseman wants to answer the question directly.

Who has final say on decisions during the draft?




Really, all it would take is one or two words. But the head coach and general manager prefer to leave some wiggle room with their responses.

"We haven't really gotten there," Kelly said. "I think everybody wants to know that, like really what happens in there. But it never gets to that point. I think we look at it, analyze it and kind of come to the same conclusion. But I haven't yet sat there and I want him and he wants him and then, you know, are we going to box for it? You know what I mean? It just hasn't gotten there."

The reality is there's plenty of truth to what they say about collaboration. Roseman is in charge of scouting and football operations. Kelly is the head coach.

The key is Jeffrey Lurie has said all along that he wants the Eagles to be a coach-centric organization. That's not specific to Kelly; that's the owner's overall philosophy on what works best. So when Roseman and his staff are doing year-round work on the draft, the goal is simple: find players that fit what Kelly wants.

"The funny thing and the lucky thing is we see a lot of players the same way," Roseman said. "I think that's probably because our job as a personnel staff is to find players with the traits that our coaching staff is looking for, how they fit in the scheme. We could find really good players that don't fit our scheme, and they're not going to play very well for us, and they're not going to look very good for us. They do a great job of giving us a description of what they're looking for, and then it's our job to find them. We're hopeful that the guys that we're finally funneling down and bringing to them are guys with traits that they're looking for."

His comments fall in line with what he's said before. The Eagles shrink the draft board and want to reduce variables when making their selections.

What happens though when there's a disagreement? The Eagles use tiers, and there are trades, along with unexpected picks. In other words, nothing ever goes exactly according to plan. For example, in the first round, when the 20th pick came up, the Eagles probably felt good that either Alabama safety Ha Ha Clinton-Dix or Oregon St. WR Brandin Cooks would fall to them.

That didn't happen. And a decision needed to be made on what to do next. They chose to trade down, pick up an extra pick and select Louisville OLB Marcus Smith at No. 26.

"I think we can sit down and reason with it," Kelly said. "But we disagree a lot, and I think that's a good thing. This isn't a building of yes men. We really go through it and then we'll ask questions. Well, tell me your view. Why do you feel this way about him? And maybe I didn't think of it that way. Have you ever looked at him like this? I think his value here is bigger than that value there. We've come to logical conclusions on it. But since I've been here, I know it's only Year 2, but have we gotten to a point where we're adamant about one and Howie is adamant about another? It hasn't worked that way. I don't know if we get to that point what's going to happen, but we haven't gotten there."

Later in the draft, Kelly was ready to pull the trigger on defensive end Taylor Hart. Roseman convinced him to instead hold off until the fifth round. That example provides a pretty good glimpse of how the process works. Putting together the draft board is a collaborative effort. Roseman's staff works on it year-round. Kelly watches college film on Saturdays during the season, but gets heavily involved form January through May - at the Senior Bowl, the combine, Pro Days, etc.

During the actual draft, Kelly listens, but he ultimately makes the final call on who to pick. Given that the team (and really, the whole organization) is clearly being shaped to fit his vision and knowing that Kelly has final say on the 53-man roster, it stands to reason that he wants to be the one making those decisions.

What about Oregon players? Guys that Kelly has coached and has insider knowledge about? Roseman used Josh Huff as an example.

"I know coach got up here and he says he stays away from the [Oregon] evaluations, and it's the truth," Roseman said. "He really does. I know when I started with Oregon in August, I don't ask for his opinion, I tell him mine, and then if we have a difference of opinion, we kind of talk about it and he tells me what he sees. Obviously [he] really liked Josh, but as an evaluator of the personnel staff, we really like Josh because it's easy to see what he does in our offense, so it's an easy transition for us."

Again, though, if Roseman's job is to find players Kelly likes, targeting someone like Huff seems like a no-brainer.

One of Roseman's primary responsibilities during the draft was to maneuver in a way that allowed the Eagles to maximize their resources. In other words, you could argue that picks like Jordan Matthews, Huff and Hart carried a "gotta have 'em" feel. That can be dangerous. But from this perspective, that's on the head coach. He targets the players he really wants, and it's the GM's job to figure out the best way to get them.

In that respect, it seems Roseman had a good weekend. He convinced Kelly to hold off on Hart. He picked up an extra third-rounder before the Eagles picked Smith. He got (at worst) fourth-round value for Bryce Brown. And he found a way to get Kelly the receivers he wanted (even if the team might have taken Huff a little early). You can argue with the process and even the picks, but there's no evidence that Roseman played his hand incorrectly with any of those maneuvers.

There could be hurdles down the line. What happens when the two sides adamantly disagree about a player? What happens when Kelly really wants to hold on to a veteran at a high price when it doesn't make cap sense? What happens if Year 2 is a step back after a successful Year 1? Does the structure change?

Roseman would likely love to have the same control as some of the other GMs around the league. But for now, he said he doesn't view the situation as Kelly usurping any of the power he's gained over the years.

"I never thought of it that way at all," he said. "It's no different... I may go to a school after three of our scouts, and I know the running back coach, and all of a sudden he gives me a different piece of information, and that helps us circle back. So what we do is we accumulate all of that information, we see if it's consistent. If it's inconsistent, now we've got to figure out why it's inconsistent. We've got to ask more questions. I think that's part of the piece of the puzzle. We all know it helps schools... I don't think it's any secret, it helps schools to get kids drafted higher. So who are you going to trust there? Who are you going to listen to? We utilize everyone in trying to get information. No. I think that's a beautiful thing."

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  • JoeyJoeJoeJuniorShabadoo

    If Howie doesn’t suddenly develop an ego, this is a fantabulous HC/GM tandem we got going. I just wish the Eagles traded up to get HaSean though.

    • JosephR2225

      Kempski made a good point that it probably would have cost the Eagles third round pick to move up and get HaHa (the Saints gave up a 1st and 3rd to get No. 20). Instead they traded back to 26 and picked up 83, which turned into 101 and 141, So you have two options.

      Option 1: HaHa
      Option 2: Smith, Huff, Watkins and Hart.

      If HaHa turns out to be a stud, obviously that changes things, but I think you’re probably better off with Option 2.

      • Anebriated

        It depends on how the organization views Earl Wolff and from the way it seems they really like him going into the future. The draft on solidified that point. Being as they like him option 2 is the clear cut winner.

      • mtn_green

        Wouldn’t it be Smith 26, Watkins 101, and Hart 141

        • Jerry Pomroy

          Technically. But if you concede that trading back allowed you to have that extra 3rd to deal with and trade back again you could add Huff into the scenario, I guess.

          • Anebriated

            right, we would have lost the 3rd round pick we kept(Huff) had we traded up.

      • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

        I’d CTRL-F and replace HaHa with Cooks. I think Kelly really wanted him, and is higher on our safeties than the WRs (going into the draft that is). Don’t get me wrong, I love Matthews and like option 2, but I think we valued Cooks much more.

        • Andy124

          It’s funny, I think you’re right, but I valued Matthews more than Cooks all along. So Chip’s disappointment is my jaccpot.

        • Scott J

          Taking it one step further: If we moved up and drafted Cooks, then do we end up drafting Huff? Probably not since we would only have 4 picks left.

      • stamtown

        good way of looking at it, would also prefer 2. All of 4 of those guys seem likely to become major contributors. Jenkins / Wolff / Allen should be serviceable at least

  • JofreyRice

    Howie wants to be thought of as a personnel whiz so badly.

    • DoctorRick

      That’s OK as long as he doesn’t try to be coach as well.

    • Eagles1018

      He’s a cap guru. I applaud him for that. Personnel whiz is like saying I’m a famous rapper because I’ve written and recorded a few songs….

    • Anebriated

      I disagree. If this were the case he would not like being on even footing with Chip. Its easy to see it as you do because we have never(or at least its EXTREMELY rare) that a GM is so open and candid with the fan base. After the Andy Reid era where we got no information at all from Heckert/Banner/Reid its really a culture shock to the fans. Time is yours….

      • WorldPh_ingChamps

        That’s on me, I need to put them in a better position to be successful…. I thought there was a match up there that we could take advantage of, but after the first 10 times it didn’t work, we tried it some more. We also tried running the ball 2 times in the first quarter, but it didn’t work so we had throw it 55 times in a row, despite the fact we have a top 5 RB lined up out there…..Oh yeah, out of those 55 pass plays, 37 of them were play action fakes because the said running game was so successful.

        • Anebriated

          If by running game you mean screen passes then yes, spot on…

          • WorldPh_ingChamps

            Yes, somewhat….that was the running game, sadly….but for the amount (lack thereof) of running plays Reid called, the QB’s sure faked a hand-off to the RB’s on a large portion of the passing plays — fooling NO ONE! In fact, it helped get quite a few more sacks…..

        • Maggie

          And then the play caller, MM, went on to try to destroy Geno in NYC.

  • JAMIN67

    I have to admit I was a little skeptical of Howie at first, but have come to appreciate him over the last season, and I love the way it seems that he and Chip work together. Can anyone imagine if Banner was still here…how him and Kelly would coexist? That pairing just screams “oil and water”.

    • Bullwinkle

      Howie is smart and works well with others. He does not have a big ego. He was the main man responsible for bringing in Chip. He has hired excellent personnel people like Gamble. He is doing everything possible to bring a championship to Philly. I am glad that he is the GM.

      • JAMIN67

        I agree. If you really want to be successful, you surround yourself with talented people (sometimes more talented than yourself). That only usually works if you can check your ego at the door, and Howie does that.

        • Anebriated

          Rule #1 of business: Know what you know, know what you don’t know. Then hire people to do what you don’t know.

          • Jerry Pomroy

            You hiring?

          • Anebriated

            what do you know? :D

          • Jerry Pomroy

            What don’t you know and I’ll tell you if I know it?

          • JAMIN67

            Well played. lol

          • Anebriated

            well I dont know what you know so does that mean I have to hire you based on the fact that I dont know?

          • Jerry Pomroy

            Yes! Knowledge is power. So in order to find out what I know, that you don’t, you’d have to hire me, because I know what I know that you don’t know I know.

          • Jerry Pomroy

            I will also add that I like to be in a position to learn what I don’t know as well.

          • Andy124

            But Bo don’t know jack, ’cause Bo can’t rap.

        • Jerry Pomroy

          Well said.

      • stamtown

        also agreed – always felt the “mailroom” Howie bashing was incredibly unjustified, especially knowing what we did about the influence AR had in HR’s early years. He’s pretty open about his decision making process, and the drafts that he’s completely owned have been been pretty good

    • Anebriated

      It would not work well thats for sure. Banner was a cap guru and pushed money into future years like a champ. Sadly he is the reason we are in such good financial shape today when so many other teams are struggling. Look at how bad the other teams are that are in our range of cap space. Theres a reason that rumors are swirling that he will take a job in the NFL front office and its not his ability to make friends out of players…

      • Jerry Pomroy

        I think he’d work well in a role with the league in their legal department negotiating business contracts, as long as he’s kept under control. Banner is just too power hungry to not have a leash. But not in negotiating with the players union. Keep him far away from the players, or they’ll almost certainly be looking at multiple labor strikes.

        • Anebriated

          It’s said that Banner is the one who was able to make the last CBA happen in a way that both sides could agree on. Wouldn’t surprise me at all because on the surface it seemed like a great deal but after delving in deeper it was still a NFL friendly deal. I agree though, he needs the leash.

          • cliff henny

            and a shower. guy always looked like he just came from un-AC’d gym in the middle of August

          • Jerry Pomroy

            Lol!

      • JAMIN67

        I will give credit where credit is due…Banner was probably the best cap man in the league when it came to the numbers. It would have been best if we could have just locked him in an office with a calculator and a computer and let him do his thing.

      • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

        Sadly he is the reason we are in such good financial shape today
        I disagree. He’s been gone 3 years. Since then, (by all appearances) we drafted our next starting QB and have the cap room to sign him long-term. I’m 99% sure Howie did the deals for every player on the current roster. And he’s handled the last 3 drafts beautifully, if you don’t agree from a personnel perspective you’d at least have to credit the value in picks.

        • Anebriated

          There is some validity to what you say but many of the contracts/extensions that Howie has handed out are because we have not had to worry about keeping the books tight. We have had the flexibility to (re)sign pretty much anybody over the years that Howie has had the reigns. The good news is that Howie has continued the trend and hasn’t been reckless with the space we have.

        • WorldPh_ingChamps

          Sadly, Banner was the reason that players like Trotter wasn’t resigned (the first time) and that Dawkins was allowed to walk, Cory Simon goes of to Indy, etc….were they smart moves? We hadn’t had a MLB until now, we’ve struggled stopping the run without a great DT since and we’ve whined about safety play for 5 years….

        • Anebriated

          Just realized that while reading your reply I didn’t get all the way through before voicing my opinion. I would 100% agree with you that there has been incredible value in the way Howie drafts and I love what he has done. I don’t want it to seem that I am anti-Howie because nothing could be further from the truth. He has been masterful in transitioning this roster from Andy’s players to those that Chip wants while keeping us in a good cap situation moving into the future.

    • Jerry Pomroy

      I’ve always said that Banner reminded me of Scrooge (pre-ghost visits of course). He was just too penny pinching and controlling that I don’t quite see how he could ever get along with anyone else. Chip is an alpha personality, but he seems like a level headed guy that’s open to reason. Whereas Banner is also an alpha, but does not understand the word reason at all. It’s his way and he doesn’t care what you say, no way no how.

      • Anebriated

        We didn’t call him Joe ‘Nickels’ Banner for nothing

        • Andy

          I remember over on the old blog there was a commenter who posted a comment on each and every story, regardless of the content of the story, and his comment was “Joe ‘Nickels’ Banner.”

      • JAMIN67

        I always thought he looked like a weasel…but Scrooge works too.

    • mtn_green

      Howie isn’t kicking out people that could challenge his authority, like Gamble. His job is to get Chips players, has he done so? Yes.
      The scheme, the player fit, and ultimately whether they make the roster is all Chip.

  • myeaglescantwin

    is there anything that Howie can do to prevent Stub Hub from raping our ticket base??

  • mtn_green

    Howie and Roseman have been a lot more forthcoming with this draft with information than in the past. Last draft there was no indication that there were players they wanted that they didn’t get. Even though Chip said he loved Dion he wouldn’t completely admit that he would have picked him. Obviously they were very tight lipped with DeSean.

    This draft they admitted the 6 they wanted were gone, worried marcus would go before the 40s, wanted hart in the third, admitted they had a disagreement they resolved, and stated that Howie disagreed with chip, chip assented and Howie was right. Howie took individual responsibility for Huff. Lamented that they wanted a OL instead of Ed but there was a run on them.

    None of this happened in past drafts, nor even in discussions about FA signings.

    • IAteLunchToday

      I don’t know if they were completely silent. I think 2013 draft went more like they expected so there was less to say. Kelly has said that he was surprised that a 4-3 team jumped them to take Dion and they thought they were being jumped to take Lane. Also they said they had Logan rated highly. And they even said Barkley was a top 50 player. As far as the Jackson story goes, if they can’t say anything nice, I don’t think they can say anything then. This year things didn’t really go as planned so they had more to talk about. And they said stuff about FA, too. If Kelly had wanted Byrd, Lurie said he would have opened up his checkbook. They said Jenkins was their number 1 target or something like that at S. A lot of FA was re-signing their own guys and there is just less to say about that.

  • NCBiRDMann22

    How would you guys feel if we traded for Andre Johnson. He can come in and rip it up for us for say three more years. And show Jordan Mathews what its gonna take to be the guy. Its a win win no?

    • Andy124

      Trade what for him?

      • NCBiRDMann22

        4-5 rounder

        • Andy124

          Sure, I’d do a 5th.

          • Will

            No we need that to draft the next Safety bust…lol…

          • Andy124

            I hope all of our 5th round picks bust like Wolff.

          • Will

            Jury still out on him we’ll see hope your right everyone is pulling for Wolff to have some kind of break out year…

          • Andy124

            Wolff in year 2 >> any safety on the roster last year.

        • Jerry Pomroy

          No thanks. I’d rather not keep making a habit of giving up mid rd picks for aging vets when we could use that pick on a player that’ll contribute for possibly much longer and could turn out to be a find.

          • Andy124

            I don’t mind giving up the 32nd pick in the 5th round. I consider that a late round pick. I agree that I wouldn’t be in favor of giving up a mid-round pick.

    • Jerry Pomroy

      Yeah, as Andy said, give up what for him. In order for it to be a win-win you’ve got to weigh the trade details.

      I’d personally say leave things the way they are. You’ve got a stable of receiving weapons as is that we’ll need to find room for. Unless we’re giving up someone already on roster at WR.

      • NCBiRDMann22

        OK so Jeff Maehl is a weapon?

        • Jerry Pomroy

          Being a little extreme aren’t we?

          • NCBiRDMann22

            That was sarcastic response to your “stable of weapons”

          • Andy124

            Maclin, Cooper, Matthews, Huff, Benn, Brad Smith all make the roster before Maehl. McCoy and Sproles are both dangerous receiving weapons as well. I think “stable of weapons” is more than fair, and it doesn’t involve counting Mael as a weapon. :)

            EDIT: Can’t believe I left out Celek and Ertz.

          • NCBiRDMann22

            Brad smith and Benn you have to be smoking something special. When is the last time either one of hem have had any kind of impact on a live game?

          • Jerry Pomroy

            You can argue the bottom all you want, i’m talking about at the top of the talent heap. Andre would have to take playing time away from someone. Who?

          • NCBiRDMann22

            Over cooper and maclin every day all day…period

          • Jerry Pomroy

            I get that, we’re not schmoes. We know Andre is a better player. He’s also an older and higher paid player. My point is what do you do with either of them then? They just re-signed and it’s not like they’re chopped liver. Bury them on the depth chart and then drop a Maehl?

          • Anebriated

            Both are on 1 year deals. Cooper signed a 5 year contract but we all know its not really a 5 year contract. Maclin is only on a 1 year deal.

          • Jerry Pomroy

            I know. I was just digging to see where he wanted to put him in the offense in place of and how he’d handle the whole situation. Just looking for a little more in depth convoconvo and insight than, “Hey let’s trade for Andre Johnson.” I’m paraphrasing of course.

          • Anebriated

            fair enough. I love talking football and sports in general but like you I enjoy it more when the other person provides substance. It doesnt matter to me whether their opinion meshes with mine or not as long as they have reasoning for it.

          • Andy124

            I don’t think we’re communicating on the same page.
            1) Jerry says we have a stable of receiving weapons.
            2) You use sarcasm to say that we don’t have a stable of receiving weapons because you have a low opinion of Jeff Maehl.
            3) I list 10 guys that are better receiving weapons than Jeff Maehl and indicate that can justifiably be called a stable of weapons.
            4) You imply that I’m on drugs because I typed the names Benn and Smith. Does not compute.

            And Benn still has a world of potential. He just needs to stay healthy. That being said, even healthy, we have such a stable of weapons that I’m not sure he’d be able to earn much of any playing time.

          • NCBiRDMann22

            Great list but makes no sense. Let me break it down like this. Two of the wr you speak of are coming off of several knee injuries. One had a supposed break bout year. The other is a friggin ex quarterback that’s never had a real productive season. And we have two solid rookie draft picks. Not to mention we lost our best weapon that created Coopers season. What makes you think we have a solid Wr corps?

          • Jerry Pomroy

            But you just added two good rookies that I’m sure they want to get on the field sooner rather than later. I get you want to add a higher quality vet, but this isn’t exactly Madden. They have two reasonably priced veterans in Mac & Coop, that again aren’t elite but certainly aren’t roster fill out players.

          • NCBiRDMann22

            See that’s where the blurred lines exist obviously… Maclin and Cooper are never gonna be true #1 wr. I like them and what they bring to the table. But they are just not the Larry Fitzgerald’s, Calvin Johnson’s, Andre Johnson’s or the NFL…And never will be. So who would you rather have teaching your future #1 Andre or Copper/Maclin?

          • Jerry Pomroy

            I get it. I really do. I love Andre. I just would rather not give up anything higher than a 4th (now that I’ve heard he’s willing to talk about lowering the money). But prior to that, I just wanted to know who’s spot exactly you’d place him in on the roster. I was hoping you’d say Maclin.

          • NCBiRDMann22

            I really think Maclin with his contract and knee is not going to be here after this year. I think that’s why they brought in both Huff and Mathews. I think Huff is a bigger stronger Mac anyways. I’m all about building the youth but you need someone to mold the youth as well. Andre is an awesome dude from what the media shows. Never in trouble and just flat out wants to win. Cooper scares me a little he seems as though he can be taken out of the game pretty easy if teams single him out. Just my thoughts though.

          • Jerry Pomroy

            But I think Coop could eventually take the demotion in favor of Matthews and I liked the chemistry between he and Foles. I’d try to include Mac in the trade if it was me. If not then I’d play Andre in front of Mac and drop Maehl.

          • NCBiRDMann22

            I like it!

          • paul from nc

            I agree. Cooper & Maclin are both big question marks/ Can one stay healthy and is the other more than a one year wonder?
            I think the 2 WR we drafted give us some leeway in case they don’t perform as we hope.

            Andre obviously would be better, but he’s too old and expensive.

          • Matthew B

            I think that’s the point… We have a GROUP of recievers that can be utilized as weapons. And what is this crying need for a “True No.1 ” reciever. In the NFL, you DO NOT NEED a “True No. 1″. How many SB’s has Fitz, A.Johnson, C. Johnson, Moss, T.O.or any other True No. 1 won in the past 10+ years. The Ravens, Seahawks, Giants, etc…. I’d much, much rather have a team of Hines Ward-type recievers then “True No.1″ Divas….

          • NCBiRDMann22

            Mathew…I’m not going to go back and forth about this because I think we may have done that already. The only thing I will say in response to you is that…You have to be really confused if you think having Fitz, Clavin, or Andre doesn’t make this team better…or any TEAM better instantly than I am not sure there is anything I can tell you to change your mind. It’s not even worth arguing over. Please add something with better value to this conversation.

          • Andy124

            wtf? Dude, chill with the insults.

          • NCBiRDMann22

            It’s all for fun Dude! Don’t be a Butthurt…

          • Maggie

            This may be a battle you can’t win. Just this week the person you are responding to told another commenter that they were not allowed to write about anything lighthearted or silly. Murderleg? Kickalicious? Must be totally serious at all times. Strange world, isn’t it.

          • NCBiRDMann22

            Down vote for not knowing what your talking about Maggie… troll someone else’s comments maybe.

          • Anebriated

            Im with you that I think we have some good options at the top end of the depth chart. That said I would feel much better with Johnson, Maclin, Matthews, Cooper/Huff, Benn, whoever else grabs the last spot.

          • Andy124

            Yeah. I already said I’d trade a 5th for him and let the players set the depth chart. I just don’t want to give up a lot for an older player who’s best years are behind him and will be in decline as we’re getting ready to win a bunch of SuperFoles.

            And really, all I was doing was defending Jerry’s “stable of weapons” declaration.

          • Anebriated

            I’m pretty sure I just hit reply on the wrong person. Wasn’t aimed at you in general was just adding my .02

          • Andy124

            Cool beans. But your post made perfect sense as a reply to mine, so it works either way.

          • Jerry Pomroy

            I love Johnson too, but I don’t want to take on a hefty contract and also add another barrier to the young guys we just drafted. If we were coming off a loss in the NFC championship game and farther along in the building process, I’d be all for it. I just don’t know where we’re going to play all of the guys we already have.

          • Jerry Pomroy

            I was thinking more along the lines of Matthews, Maclin, Coop, Huff, Ertz, Celek, Sproles. I just don’t know how you’d be able to play everybody and at Andre’s price & talent he’d have to play in favor of someone else.

            Didn’t say the stable was full all the way from to to bottom. Just concerned that we’re already trying to figure out how we can get them all on the field and involved.

          • Andy124

            Try to trade Coop?

          • Jerry Pomroy

            Ehh, I think Coop, if anyone, could take a demotion and still give you something. Plus I really liked his chemistry with Foles.

            Personally, if the money was right for Andre I’d just drop the depth chart down a notch and play him over Maclin, or look to include Mac in the trade to lessen the draft pick blow.

          • Andy124

            Tangent: Anytime people bring up Foles’ chemistry with Coop, I love bringing up his chemistry with Maclin. During the games Maclin played with Foles in 2012 he set a pace that would have topped his career highs. And the final 3 games, when Foles had already started growing in to the role, were really, really good.

            This isn’t an either or thing. Great chemistry with both those guys. In fact, I forget who said it first, but Foles has had great chemistry with everybody.

          • Jerry Pomroy

            My point was that I loved how Coop flourished with Foles and I want big and/or strong receivers. Just preference. I’m also getting stingy with giving away picks after being so short this year. Plus, next year is the year I see them making a splash to move up for someone with it being a diluted draft class.

          • Andy124

            I’m definitely on the big strong WR wagon. My favorite Cooper play only went for like 14 yards. Caught the bubble screen, bolted upfield, trucked a DB (who made the taccle while getting plowed) and jumped up pumped as hell. Against Tampa maybe?

            More WRs trucking DBs please.

          • Andy124

            I’m just thinking Coops would have more trade value due to longer, reasonable contract, more size, more recent success.

          • Alistair Middlemiss

            Maclin for Andre could be an interesting trade… Would allow the Texans to get younger and cheaper at WR with someone they could keep long term, the eagles would get a special player in a better model of what chips wants. Still cant see it happening!

      • Lou

        You know we love our texans

    • Anebriated

      On the surface it would be a great addition to our team. He has the high character and measurables Chip loves. With that comes a 2 years and $23 mil contract. I don’t see that being an issue despite that being part of the perceived problem with DJax. Talented players with high contracts seem to be going for roughly a 4th round pick(Stevie Johnson) to a 6th(Anquan Boldin). I wouldn’t mind giving up the Buffalo 4th(49ers pick so later in the round)/our 3rd if they would accept it.

      • NCBiRDMann22

        I get the money issue. However, if you watch what he said the other day he is crushed that they didn’t get a quarterback for the team. He just wants to win. Trade for him and spread the contract out so its less of a hit.

        • Anebriated

          Well that would be phase 2, restructuring the deal which I believe he has shown that he is willing to do. He just wants to play in the postseason. Like I said I don’t think the salary is really an issue, if it was then we would have seen some of our high salary/high character guys jettisoned from the team this offseason.

        • Jerry Pomroy

          Well in that case, I’m more open to it. I just don’t want to add a hefty contract with an older player that could block our younger guys we just drafted.

    • anon

      I’d give the 4/5 from Buffalo, but they’d have to shave his contract to something under $10mm. I also think that we’re happy where we are at WR — even if he’d immediately be the best WR on the team. Additionally, i think he’s got the personality, etc.

      • Andy124

        We got a 3/4 from Buffalo. Too much to give up for an older player imo.

        • Chris

          I don’t know..it would basically be a swap of Bryce Brown for Andre Johnson (salary aside)…i think i’d be happy with that.

          • Will

            In Andre you would have a proven vet #1 WR….but at 32 years of age you gotta wonder what’s left in the tank…23 million to find out? Rather ease in the new draft picks,,,,

          • anon

            Yeah unclear if Kelly needs or wants a 1400yd guy. He’s a system coach so he can use system players that can just run his routes precisely, etc. Not sure if he needs a “playmaker”. He’d be great in Carolina but they have no $$.

            I’d be all for it, if he can make Schaub look like a passable QB he can do wonders for Foles in the system.

          • Will

            Avant was 30, a good player, high character and they sent him packing along with DJax. Think Kelly wants his type guys in there at WR…

          • Anebriated

            I dont even look at him as a 1400yd guy. Andre is 6’3 230lbs and has great hands. He can move the chains with the best in the league. Extremely high character and very hard worker. He does what Chip wants his receivers to do, wins man coverage battles and makes contested catches. He might have lost a step over the years but he is still a pro’s pro.

          • Kev_H

            I actually think Kelly will have one or two 1,400 yard guys this year and they are already on the roster. I base this on: Kelly likes to score fast. The best way to consistently score fast in the NFL is by passing. Last year, with the exception of the Eagles and Seahawks, the top 10 offenses averaged around 600 passes. The Eagles passed 508 times and the Seahawks passed only 420 times. The Jets, Panthers, Seahawks, and 49ers were the only teams to pass less than 500 times. Part of that is because they are all defensive oriented teams (unlike the Eagles) and part of it is due to limitations at QB. You can reasonably argue, but I don’t think Newton, Kaepernick, or even Wilson, are suited for 600 pass offenses, at least not yet.

            I think Kelly is building a pass-first, high powered NFL offense around Foles and has the offense stocked with receivers who should be able to stay together over the next 5 seasons if all works out well. When Foles is 26-29, they will be insane.

          • Anebriated

            When combined with the Sopoaga trade to NE it looks even better. We would have taken Sopoaga(signed off the streets), Bryce Brown(7th round pick) and our 6th round pick from this year and turned it into Darren Sproles and Andre Johnson.

          • NCBiRDMann22

            That’s what I’m talking about!

          • Jerry Pomroy

            Ehh, I’d argue otherwise because we got a decent pick and given our lack of picks this year, I’d rather have more to bargain with than less and be hard pressed. That said, if he’s willing to knock down his dollars, I’d be willing to give up a 5th, maybe a 4th. But not that pick that could potentially become a 3rd.

          • oreofestar

            IF he would rework his deal to lets say 9mil a season I would give a 4th like OUR 4TH and then keep the BUF pick

    • Anebriated

      One potential downfall is that by trading for him the texans would accelerate his cap hit which would leave them with roughly 10 mil in dead money this season I believe. Im not entirely sure how it applies to trades.

  • Cam in Eugene

    One thing about Howie, he seems to be able to locate and work with a lot of different trade partners. He makes more or less fair trades and doesn’t burn bridges. The end of nickels day seemed no one wanted to deal with the mole man. That also just might be negative selective memory.

  • 76mustang

    If you’ve never worked in an organization that had a leader that was really interested in maximizing the potential of every member of his/her team, from the intern to the President (and including himself), and was willing and able to invest the resources necessary to achieve that max potential, then I can see where it’s hard to grasp/relate to the dynamics that are at work inside the Chip Kelly-led Eagles organization.

    Sadly, most of us worker bees are subject to the daily grind of Ivy League MBA program-envisioned business models that have you doing the work load of 2 to 3 positions with the management target of 80% success in handling that work load successfully – any higher rate and you don’t have enough on your plate, any less and you either have too much, or you’re not cut out for the rigors of the management’s “vision” (which mostly changes every 2 or 3 quarters). No wonder most contributors on the Eagles’ blogs (and so many other teams) are suspicious and critical of Front Office narratives as it relates to their team(s). We’ve been trained to distrust what we’re told on a regular basis and have empirical evidence to back it up.

    How refreshing then to have a head coach that has breathed new energy into an organization and brought them together to pursue a common goal (Super Bowl) in a culture that fosters growth and excellence in a team first environment. Seriously, Chip is the type of leader most of us want to be led by – all the guy wants to do is help you become the best you can be and make you an integral part of something larger than yourself. How many business organizations are stable enough, and structured to actually attain that? Certainly not many in the public sector.

    Sorry for the long narrative, but I think what the Eagles have in Chip Kelly is something special. I love that Lurie stated Chip could be the CEO of a Fortune 500 company – he’s that dynamic and detail oriented. Having spent a career in sales calling on some of those CEOs (and their subordinates), I recognize the special traits that gives me the confidence to “trust in Chip”. The man understands football, and more importantly, the man understands people. Thank you Jeff and Howie for bringing him to Philly. I’ll climb down from the soapbox now…

    • Anebriated

      preach on brother!

    • BleedGreenJames

      This is one of the best comments I’ve ever read regarding the Eagles, or sports in general! Wish I could +1,000,000 this.

      • Jerry Pomroy

        You just did.

        Bravo Mustang!

    • Chris

      good stuff. agreed

    • Will

      Well said spot on…

    • http://www.tremaintech.com j l tremain

      Great comment about Chip and his vision – wish I could work for him!

    • Kev_H

      This is just what I was thinking but wasn’t willing to tackle in trying to express it. Well done! I worked in military environments with great leadership that brings this to mind as well. You could look at everyone’s rank and position and say there is a power structure, but if you were around day-to-day, everyone had an equal voice and there was little if any disagreement on decisions, you’d never know who was “in charge” and who wasn’t, in fact, if you just had recordings, you might never know that the person “in charge” was even present.

    • myeaglescantwin

      profound.

    • Scott J

      I second that.

    • Amar

      I would agree for the most part…I hope the CEO could’ve maximized the potential of his Star salesman instead of letting him walkaway and join Google.

      • Fly High

        Assuming we are talking about Djax here, I would like to share a real life experience. I was the ED of a small non-profit, and twice I had a very talented contributor with a lot of attitude issues, in one case I thought this person was so important we needed them, and so I kept these two people on far beyond when I should have because I wanted their skill and charisma. Each of them almost destroyed the organization.
        I don’t know if Chip did the right thing. But if he reached our and gave feedback, then realized certain things about Djax would never change, not just rebelliousness, but reacting to failure, and showing up in the clutch, then letting go of him may have been a huge act of courage, and absolutely the best thing for the Eagles.

    • Maggie

      Actually, it only takes 1 or 2 people at mid-level management to destroy any hope of cooperation between other employees. To the types who are incapable of thinking past their noses, a CEO who is interested in all levels or departments is seen as a threat and they will do everything in their power to undermine any innovation.

    • imnotsorryisaidthat

      Good cause the fact is when push comes to shove Kelly aint going to coach a player that doesn’t fit his criteria no matter how hard Howie may try to shove him down his throat

    • Phillymiz

      I too know the feeling of working with a dynamic boss that is looking to allow his talent to flourish. Chip is a progressive dynamo who understands the importance of empowering his players. It’s hard to imagine that in a foresaken sports town like Philadelphia that this new dynamic is taking place, but it is happening. From the moment Chip walked in town I seen the cream rise to the top among his players. Having that kind of positive energy gives players and coaches the right environment to excell. I have a really strong feeling about the comrodery

    • dgirl57

      Wonderfully put Mustang!

  • Dominik

    @ Sheil

    “Who has final say on decisions during the draft?

    Really, all it would take is one or two words. But the head coach and general manager prefer to leave some wiggle room with their responses.”

    I think you answered your question, Sheil.

    “During the actual draft, Kelly listens, but he ultimately makes the final call on who to pick.”

    How did you come to this conclusion? Off-the-record quote? Deduction? No offense by any means, I trust you, it’s just important, imho.

    You may argue that “final say on decisions during the draft” and “final call on who to pick” are two different things, but I’m not really sure. If Kelly says: “Player XY with pick 22″, how could Howie trade the pick away?

  • Kev_H

    Generally, this blog post captures the nuance. What’s missing is that Howie hitched his star to Chip. He aggressively sought after him and personally landed him as coach. So Howie’s reputation lives or dies on whether Kelly is successful or not. Given that dynamic, a power struggle between the two should be out of the question.

    I don’t doubt that neither considers that he has ultimate authority on decision-making. Good colleagues are able to sit down and respectfully hash it out and come to a consensus. I’m very happy with how things are going in that I think the dynamic is essential for success. When everyone is pulling in a different direction, you aren’t going to build for championships. I generally don’t like Lurie, but I have to give him credit for the environment he sets up. His worst trait, being friends with Banner, is happily in the past.

  • Scott J

    I think you need a certain personality to work in a draft room negotiating trades with 4 teams at the same time in only 10 minutes. I couldn’t do it, I’m too hyper.

  • Maggie

    Having just listened to a Top Ten on some previous great (or not) drafts, I was struck by how many decisions were credited to the Head Coach, not the GM. However, in 1974, Chuck Noll was persuaded by the Steelers GM to wait a couple of rounds to draft Stallworth. This year Roseman persuaded Kelly to wait for Huff. Let’s hope the results are the same. ;~D

    • Cheesesteak

      Waited for Hart, not Huff

      • Maggie

        Oops. Sorry. I naturally always associate the name Huff with Philly. Also 2 people upvoted me! Lol.

        • Cheesesteak

          Ha…maybe Tom Gamble drafted Huff – Gamble and Huff